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It’s easy in September to look back on a summer blockbuster season and contemplate the mess, divvy up the winners and losers, and count how many dollars you wasted for two hours of air-conditioned comfort and little else. But going into the summer, even now in 2009, I can’t help but look forward to a few summer spectacles, knowing historically that some will disappoint (see below), some will meet lowered expectations, (Transformers, The Day After Tomorrow) and some will better even the highest expectations (Pirates of the Caribbean, The Dark Knight).

But was upsets me more than anything is to actually allow myself to get unreasonably excited about a summer movie — to give in to the hype — only to come out at the other end massively disappointed. It used to happen more, of course, before I got beat down by a series of disappointments. I learned to temper expectations. But it still happens — it’s no coincidence that this Guide coincides with the release of a certain post-apocalyptic blockbuster today (Dan’s review is forthcoming). I buy into the trailers, the clips, the interviews, and to the blockbuster hysteria. I find myself walking into a big summer movie with something akin to hope only to walk out two hours later — ears ringing, senses beaten — absolutely crestfallen.

That’s the focus of today’s Guide. These aren’t necessarily the worst summer blockbusters of All Time (we covered those elsewhere). They’re just big summer movies that I actually allowed myself to get pumped up to see only to discover that I’d been duped by the Hollywood studio system once again. The lesson: Always expect the worst. And sometimes you might just be pleasantly surprised.

10. Ghostbusters II: Ghostbusters II wasn’t a terrible movie. Bill Murray was still gold, the rest of the cast was — as always — likeable, and the movie as a whole might have been somewhat mediocre as a stand-alone film. But it was following Ghostbusters, one of the greatest action comedies of all time. However, instead of building off of the original, they merely rehashed it, dumbed it down, and took the focus away from the characters and put it on the effects, including a walking Statue of Liberty. It lost its edge — it was too PG. It was too much Slimer and not enough coherence. But worst of all, it felt like a cash-out, something they threw together because they knew it’d make $100 million. It did, but at the cost of the franchise’s integrity.



9. The Last Action Hero: This was one of my first experiences with massive cinematic letdown (though some still defend this movie, for reasons I can’t explain). Arnie was coming off of Total Recall and T2, and even his comedic missteps ( Twins, Kindergarten Cop) were watchable. We were talking about The Terminator, here. And he was being paired with the director of Die Hard and Predator. It had to be great, right? It was a meta movie (Schwarzenegger, in parts, was playing himself) before I really understood what a meta movie was. And they advertised the holy living hell out of it. But it was atrocious — bad enough that even as a teenager I could appreciate how truly horrible it was. It was muddled and incoherent, and the scenes were seemingly stitched together from other movies. It was all over the place, suffering from too many subplots and too many villains and not an ounce of soul. Truly an artificial, empty experience.



8. Batman Forever: After Tim Burton’s great Batman and a pretty good Batman Returns, I had assumed — even after Michael Keaton and Tim Burton dropped out — that Joel Schumacher couldn’t mess up the material too bad. He’d directed The Lost Boys and Flatliners, after all. And it was Batman. How much could he screw it up? Plenty bad, over-camping an already campy-ish franchise. Schumacher also made the same mistake that too many sequels make: He introduced too many new characters and expected the talent on hand (Jim Carrey, Tommy Lee Jones, Drew Barrymore) to bring in the crowds, instead of the story. It was boring, gaudy, over-the-top, and completely brainless. Val Kilmer wasn’t a bad Batman, but Schumacher — essentially a studio hired hand — was the absolute wrong person to take over the franchise. He didn’t look at the comic books for inspiration — he looked toward the 60s television show. And he basically wrecked a franchise that he’d completely run into the ground two years later, requiring a ten year hiatus before we could move past it. The best thing that Batman Forever did, in fact, was to prepare us for just how awful Batman and Robin would eventually be.



7. The Matrix Reloaded: Four years removed from one of the most surprisingly good, inventive, original, influential movies of the last 25 years, there was a lot of expectations for the sequel. Who went into The Matrix on opening weekend and expected to walk out in awe of a Keanu Reeves film? Surely, with complex idea in place, a bigger budget, and certainly more freedom, the Wachowski’s could deepen the mythology, right? Boo! The Matrix Repeated. Just another empty popcorn flick, folks. A meandering bridge movie to an even worse third movie. Granted, they improved upon the effects, but The Wachowski’s dropped the ball in trying to advance the storyline, though they were limited by the middle-child syndrome. It just meandered and stalled, mired in its pseudo philosophical bullshit. Unfortunately, however, the biggest problem with The Matrix Reloaded was that the Wachowski Brothers had created something new, and by the time Reloaded came around, the allure of that newness had worn off. It was like topping your first kiss — you can try it as many times as you’d like, but you can never duplicate the mystical magical sensation of the first one no matter how much more technically proficient it is.



6. Godzilla: I probably shouldn’t have gotten as excited about this one as I did. But come on: A huge goddamn monster descending on New York City — one of the most iconic monsters in movie history, no less. And it starred Ferris freakin’ Bueller. The marketing blitz at the time for this movie was insane — remember “Size Does Matter”? And the trailer featured two minutes of shit just getting destroyed — that huge foot obliterating everything in sight. And the only way to see the actual monster was to go to the movie (a trick that Cloverfield duplicated years later). That was a mistake. Unfortunately, destruction was pretty much all the movie entailed. They apparently forgot to actually build in a story — it was just a series of crumbling set pieces. The monster was big all right, but everything else in the movie was shitballs idiotic. It was cheesy and bloodless — nobody important actually dies in the movie. It turned out to be a monster movie for adolescents. Roland Emmerich didn’t even bother to bring in the campiness of the old-school Godzilla — it was a dull movie that might have actually benefited from some of Joel Schumacher’s gaudiness. There was nothing insidious about the monster — he was just annoying. And stupid.



5. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Nineteen years we waited. Nineteen years! And during much of that time, we’d heard rumors that they were eventually going to bring the franchise back. But Harrison Ford, Steven Spielberg, and George Lucas were adamant that they wouldn’t come back unless they got the perfect script. It was not a perfect script — far from it. And it featured the worst aspects of George Lucas scripting tendencies. Sure, after nearly 20 years, there was really no way that they could make a movie that would meet expectations. But I never anticipated that they’d miss the mark as badly as they did. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was less a new movie for a new era than a recycled one from an old era infused with cheesy CGI and the horrible addition of Shia LaBeouf. It all felt very workmanlike — Harrison Ford lacked energy (somewhat expected for a guy as old as he is, I suppose). It had its moments, but it was a pale imitation of the first three movies, almost a bad parody of them. It was weak, tired, and tedious. A nuked fridge? Come on. Spielberg is better than that, and after two decades of waiting, Harrison Ford deserved better than he was given.



4. Armageddon: Ah, Michael Bay: The man who practically introduced me to summer blockbuster disappointment. But this was back before I knew any better. He’d done Bad Boys, which I dug. And he’d directed The Rock, which I’d willed myself not to hate (at the time). But Armageddon. I couldn’t wait. Bruce Willis, not that far removed from his Pulp Fiction resurrection; Ben Affleck, right after Good Will Hunting and before we knew he couldn’t pick a decent script to save his life; Billy Bob Thornton, still riding high after Sling Blade and Liv Tyler, during her Aerosmith video heyday. Sure, the premise was completely crackpot — a crackerjack team of astronauts and fighters pilots, which also included Owen Wilson and Steve Buscemi, was going to prevent a Texas-sized asteroid from destroying the Earth. That’s a blockbuster, folks. And the move called upon us, not as an American, but as a citizen of humanity! How could we resist? But of course, anybody who sat through Armageddon got burned, as Bay really buried his storyline underneath a lot of rubble and his trademark patriotic frenzy. It was a disaster, compounded a little while later by another bad asteroid movie, Deep Impact.




3. Independence Day: It was the summer of 1996. Will Smith had made Bad Boys and was just finished his run on “Fresh Prince of Bel Air. It opened on the 4th of July weekend. The blockbuster to end all blockbusters. It was going to feature a big-ass spaceship that destroyed the Empire State Building and The White House. I expected a huge popcorn movie. I expected dumb movie full of explosions. But nothing could prepare me for just how unbelievably dumb it was. I couldn’t turn my brain off enough to enjoy it. I’d need a brain transplant with an ant to appreciate any of it. It was overly earnest. It was cheesy and belabored and melodramatic and completely incoherent. Alien men in the form of Octopi? They defeated a massive alien spaceship by introducing a computer virus? With a Mac? Really. And even the President of the United States decided to become a fighter pilot? No. Just no.



2. Star Wars I — The Phantom Menace: I suspect for many of you, The Phantom Menace would top a list of biggest disappointments. But I was never really that much into Star Wars to begin with. That didn’t stop me, of course, from getting my hopes up. I looked very much forward to a new generation of Star Wars. And with Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson, and Ewan McGregor, I expected the best. What I never expected was a dull kids movie. Or Jar Jar Binks. Or uninvolving characters who looked like they were standing in front of a green screen. It had no sense of humor. There was no joy or passion. I didn’t want a movie that spoke to my inner child, and besides, not even my inner child could’ve enjoyed it. It was the bare minimum, a disaster only good enough to draw an audience back to Star Wars Episode II to see if Lucas could do worse. Turns out, he could.

1. Spider-man 3: Two words even more painful than Jar Jar: Emo Spidey.



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Comments

I watched Independence Day while high on shrooms for the first time. The entire time, me and my friend were nitpicking all the ridiculous lines. It is now my "worst movie ever." Especially that scene with the dog jumping out of a flaming tunnel. I can't believe people thought this movie was good.

Posted by: Corinna at May 22, 2009 12:06 PM

I've seen 6.5 of these movies (I know I've seen Matrix: Reloaded, but I can't remember a damn bit of it other than that idiotic slow mo dance/orgy sequence. GET OUT OF MY BRAIN!)

I'd say that parts of Armageddon are saved by the tertiary characters (Buscemi in particular) that Independence Day is something I'll never buy, but will always stop on when it's on TV, and that Star Wars is meant to be a "family" movie series so it's meant to appeal to children so in that sense it's a hell of a lot more complex and thought provoking than other kids movies out there.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at May 22, 2009 12:13 PM

I love my Batman Forever. *sniff* Kilmer was my favorite Batman until Nolan and Bale blew my ass away with the new franchise. I agree with all of the other movies though. Sometimes I feel like the only person in America that doesn't look forward to Will Smith's Summer Blockbuster (trademark pending) each year. Then I come to Pajiba and realize that I'm not alone.

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits at May 22, 2009 12:20 PM

I would have said Spider-Man 2. "Hey guys, let's dump all that dull 'action' nonsense that made us filthy rich last time and amp up the relationship scenes that feature a starlet who can't act."

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at May 22, 2009 12:21 PM

I loved Independence Day when it came out. I still kind of love it. I'm a sucker for Will Smith one liners and bitchy older Jewish men.

Posted by: Julie at May 22, 2009 12:22 PM

Drew Barrymore was in Batman Forever? What the hell?!

And I still like Deep Impact.

Posted by: Todd at May 22, 2009 12:22 PM

Having seen about seven of these (In my defense, most of them were viewed as a child), I have to agree with pretty much all of these. My god this is just depressing as shit. Glurg.

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at May 22, 2009 12:23 PM

I'm agreeing on all these (except I would put X3 tied with Spider-Man 3 in the #1 slot), but I cannot include Independence Day. For me, it was EXACTLY what it promised to be. It was FUN. I saw it opening night at 12:45am with a sold out audience in a massive theater and it was a freaking blast. The characters are likable and I love that the effects were primarily done with models. Yes, the ending is ridiculous but the whole damn premise is ridiculous so by that point you are kind of going along with it and the movie delivers. Just like Will says at the end to his son, "Didn't I promise you fireworks?" Independence Day was silly but it has a hell of a lot of heart and didn't seem like it was made just to sell mechandise and Subway sandwiches.

And the President flew a jet at the end because he was arguably the best pilot they had.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 22, 2009 12:24 PM

Emo Spidey is tautologous. He's always emo.

Posted by: bathoz at May 22, 2009 12:25 PM

I still haven't seen Last Action Hero, and I was positive that Godzilla was shite when P.Diddy sexually assaulted Cashmere to make a .....song(?) about it.

I am still mad at myself for renting The Kingdom of The Crystal Skulls.

Posted by: admin at May 22, 2009 12:26 PM

I still say that Jim Carrey deserved an Oscar Nomination for his Riddler. Maybe not the golden god itself, but the nom.

Posted by: wsapnin at May 22, 2009 12:27 PM

I'd like to add the League of Extraordinary Gentleman. I really looked forward to that movie, and not only was it awful, you couldn't even see anything! All the Victorian steampunk goodness wasted. Well, at least we've got Van Helsing.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at May 22, 2009 12:28 PM

I'll admit it: I still love Independence Day. I know it's bloated and makes no sense, but I get wrapped up in it every time.

Now Batman Forever...shudder. The movie is a failure all around, but I think the script is the worst part of it. When Val Kilmer looks at Nicole Kidman and says "Are you trying to get under my cape, Doctor?"...it just stuns me how bad that line is. I thought he was an awful Batman and it took a long time for me to give a shit about anything else he did again.

Posted by: Brie at May 22, 2009 12:30 PM

Drew Barrymore was in Batman Forever for about 3 0seconds - she was Two-Face's 'good' girl (I believe Debi Mazar was the 'bad' girl).

I always thought Val Kilmer made an awesome Bruce Wayne - but just a 'decent' Batman. Same with Clooney actually. Whereas Michael Keaton was sort of the opposite, he had the Batman part down pretty good but I didn't buy him as Bruce.

Posted by: Dariuss at May 22, 2009 12:34 PM

Good list. Obviously, mine would be different (My list would include The Village, Back to the Future II, and Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom which -- unlike IJ&TKOTCS -- I actually was looking forward to seeing) but a list like this is so tied to subjective experience and expectations that it would be impossible for anyone else's list to be completely the same.

Posted by: Laughner at May 22, 2009 12:36 PM

Twister. Awesome trailer. Movie sucked serious ass.

Posted by: Jason at May 22, 2009 12:36 PM

I'd also like to add "Congo" and "Jurassic Park 2: The Lost World". "Congo" was an excruciating adaptation of an excellent book which made it all the more painful. "The Lost World" was a horrible book and a mediocre movie with 2 good setpieces but following up "Jurassic Park" it was a huge disappointment.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 22, 2009 12:38 PM

Ugh, Independence Day. The only time the Mr. and I ever broke up was the summer of '96, and we had already planned on seeing this movie with friends so we stuck with it despite having broken up THAT DAY. That and we were completely stoned out of our gourd. There are two things I remember the most. At the beginning of the movie there are a couple of ADHD flashes used to break up the scenes that left me completely bewildered in my compromised state. Then there was the worst line ever uttered in an Uhhhhmerican movie, the one about it no longer being Independence Day for America, but now for the whole world! Fuck yeah!

Awful movie.

Posted by: katy at May 22, 2009 12:40 PM

Independence Day was great summer fun, I'm surprised you have it at number #3.

I hope they reboot Spider Man, Hulk, and Superman. It can't be that hard, those fucking movies write themselves.

Posted by: Guess Who! at May 22, 2009 12:43 PM

There was an Indiana Jones movie after Last Crusade?

Does this explain why I have a bottle of cholorform on my desk with the note "Use on self in case of Kingdom of The Crystal Skull"?

Posted by: branded at May 22, 2009 12:43 PM

I have to admit that Independence Day is one of those movies that, while I can admit objectively is a bad movie, I still love. I guess I was young enough when it came out that the memories are still good. Admittedly, I haven't seen it in years, but I really think that's for the best.

Posted by: Major Etiquette at May 22, 2009 12:48 PM

I will always defend The Matrix sequels. They are just as entertaining and complex as the original, but they really take repeated viewings, unlike the original which grabbed you right away. They aren't as good as the first, but they I still enjoy them very much.

And yes, Batman Forever is an unimpressive film. That said, it was 20x better than Batman and Robin.

Posted by: ChristianH at May 22, 2009 12:52 PM

I have to say, even though everything you say about it is true, Independence Day was not a disappointment during viewing. I saw it on opening weekend, in a packed theater, and it was one of the most fun experiences I ever had at the movies.

Of course it is ridiculous and, plotwise, could suck the air out of a hippodrome...but it was loud and 'splodey and then the world united and beat the bad guys very loudly and gaudily, and the audience cheered their freakin' heads off. That's a template Summer Blockbuster Experience, Dustin.

Nowadays when it comes on TNT I nearly always stop and watch for a bit. What a terrible movie.

Posted by: Jerce at May 22, 2009 12:52 PM

Independence Day wasn't as much of a letdown as Jurassic Park 2. That movie took a hell of a dive in quality from the first movie.

Besides, Independence Day is a guilty pleasure. Who doesn't love a movie that has Jeff Goldblum saving the world one snarky comment at a time?

Posted by: Melissa at May 22, 2009 12:53 PM

*coming out of the closet*

I kind of love Independence Day and Armaggedon. I thought they were both just fun, explosiony, smart-ass line filled summer turn off your brain popcorn flicks with cute guys.

*returns to closet in shame *

Posted by: dammitjanet at May 22, 2009 12:57 PM

Great list Mr. Rowles. Personally I would have moved Indy IV up the charts but that's a small quibble. Your comments on each movie pretty much nailed how I felt about each one.

Posted by: EricD at May 22, 2009 12:58 PM

I was pumped for "ID4" (a nonsensical acronym that should have warned me of the idiocy ahead) after seeing the Super Bowl trailer where the alien ship blows up the White House. Awesome, I thought...i'm a sucker for disaster/blowing shit up movies, esp those involving alien invasions. Six months of anticipation for this flick dissolved opening night...when I witnessed this collection of cinematic cliches and melodrama...a horrific laundry list of suck.. dogs escaping explosions and shitty dialogue and wisecracking Will Smith punching out an alien and Randy Quaid shouting "UP YOUUURS!" and Jeff Goldblum playing the same weird science guy.

Posted by: stryker1121 at May 22, 2009 12:58 PM

I've seen every one of these movies, and it's really sad when the ones from Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich are my favorites.

Except for Ghostbusters II. That one shouldn't even be on this list.

Posted by: Snath at May 22, 2009 12:58 PM

Ok, yeah independence day is a really crappy movie, but its also the only movie that makes me consistently tear up when I watch it. The scene where the dad blows up the giant alien ship gets me every damn time.

Weird? Absolutely. You can judge me all you damn well please I'm still going to watch it every time I see it's on TNT.

Posted by: Braski at May 22, 2009 1:03 PM

Independence Day is not a bad scifi-action flick if you tolerate the parts that are not believable. Will Smith's performance in the film was at one point my second-favorite out of his films (First was and still is Men in Black).

Two of the other films on this list were a lot of fun despite their faults (Batman Forever, Ghostbusters II). Also, I still think Matrix Reloaded would be viewed much more favorably today if Matrix Revolutions was any good.

However, out of the 6 other films, I've seen five of them, and four of those were not just disappointing, but flat-out bad. In particular, Godzilla and Armageddon almost completely lack any moments I enjoy.

Posted by: NF at May 22, 2009 1:09 PM

Future random list suggestion:

Terrible songs accompanying disappointing blockbusters?

Because really, no matter how good or bad Armageddon was, that Aerosmith song still makes me want to kill myself, and the video makes me want to kill myself plus everyone else.

Posted by: Caroline at May 22, 2009 1:10 PM

Hmm...this list appears only a day, or perhaps hours, from when the review for the new Terminator movie will be up.

Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: TheBoy at May 22, 2009 1:11 PM

Good list, but seriously, Armageddon? What's not to love about that movie?

Bruce being grumpy, Steve Buscemi being crazy, Peter Stormare being Russian and an Aerosmith & tear soaked ending.....is it really just me that loves this film?

Posted by: Lisa S at May 22, 2009 1:12 PM

Number ONE should be Jar Jar Abram's Dawson's Star Trek: The Gayening.

Obviously, this list is worthless.

And one day, Matrix Reloaded WILL be recognized as the best in the trilogy.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 22, 2009 1:19 PM

I saw all of these, and I agree with this list but. argh. Damn you, Dustin.

Damn it all. I LIKED Batman Forever and I'm sticking by it. Yeah it was a stupid movie but SHUTUP.

And I'm holding firm that Indiana Jones IV never, ever happened. Nope. Never happened. I refuse to ever see it, and I think I shall remain happy that way.

Also: fuck you. Independe Day is the most fun awful movie of ALL TIME.

You're just trying to make me angry today, aren't you? Well, you ain't gonna do it. And I'm sending Jeff Goldblum (mmm) and Will Smith to implant a virus...IN YOUR BUTTHOLE.

FIGGY OUT.

Posted by: figgy at May 22, 2009 1:28 PM

I kind of love Independence Day and Armaggedon. I thought they were both just fun, explosiony, smart-ass line filled summer turn off your brain popcorn flicks with cute guys.

*returns to closet in shame *

I'll have to join you in that "closet of shame" I guess. Neither are great movies, but they are movies that are great fun. I agree with the other posters that if one of them are on TV, we will probably watch.
The rest of the movies, yes, they do suck ass.

Posted by: Jules at May 22, 2009 1:29 PM

I love Ghostbuster II.

SUCK IT!

Posted by: Heathen at May 22, 2009 1:35 PM

Despite how dumb they are, I still enjoy Independence Day, and to a lesser degree, Armageddon and Batman Forever.

WELCOME TO EARTH! *knockout*

Posted by: Mick J at May 22, 2009 1:36 PM

Wait, wait, wait, wait admin.

Cashmere? It's not about a sweater, man.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at May 22, 2009 1:38 PM

Caroline, I know that's right, I hate that damn song.
However, I loved Kiss from a Rose by Seal, coincidentally done for that shitty Batman Forever.

Does Revenge of the Sith count? Because that movie was physically painful to watch.

Posted by: Brie at May 22, 2009 1:39 PM

You left out Godfather 3. That was to movies what Ryan Leaf is to football.

Posted by: bob at May 22, 2009 1:40 PM

And one day, Matrix Reloaded WILL be recognized as the best in the trilogy.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 22, 2009 1:19 PM

Riiiight... Just after the day Kirsten Dunst is recognized as the best acress of our generation.

If you like dirty hippy orgy-dances, pseudo psychological non-sense babble, and really boring CGI-laden fights between a bunch of nobodies and an invulnerable guy than Matrix Reloaded is YOUR movie.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 22, 2009 1:41 PM

You know, I remember I watched the two Matrix sequels. I remember going to the theater both times, for some reason. I know I watched them, and I remember a couple of scenes here and there.

But if you paid me to, I couldn't tell you what the fuck happened in EITHER one of those movies. I have absolutely no memory of the 'plot' or what the fuck they were about. Just nothing. Complete mental blank.

I am grateful for that.

My favorite thing in Godzilla is when Matthew Broderick is looking at the big pile of fish and he turns to the other guy and says, in a moment of screeplay glory:

"That's a lot of fish."

YES.

Posted by: figgy at May 22, 2009 1:45 PM

Squeee! I know that I am so wrong for loving Independence Day but I just can't help it. And I'm so happy I'm not alone.

Posted by: Agent Scully at May 22, 2009 1:47 PM

Wow, I've seen 9 of those movies...and 7 of those I saw in the theater. God, I'm such a whore for summer blockbusters.

I've actually never seen all of Armageddon...I keep falling asleep. I swear, that movie is 8 hours long. And boring.

Posted by: MN_Jen at May 22, 2009 1:48 PM

I would have said Spider-Man 2

AGAIN with that nonsense.

Posted by: Jay at May 22, 2009 1:48 PM

YES. Spidey 3 sucked hard. I would also argue that (for me, at least) Dark Knight let me down A LOT. The movie was too long and veered in too many directions to keep my attention, Heath Ledger or no.

As for Phantom Menace, I am sticking with my denial that movies I-III ever existed.

Posted by: Bonnie at May 22, 2009 1:53 PM

Kiss From A Rose was indeed the only redeemable thing from Batman Forever. Hell, it got him Heidi Klum (I have no basis for this, but it sounds right).

Seen 10 for 10, and can agree with the sentiments. Well, except for Independence Day. As others have said, it was a big, dumb fun. SOME PEOPLE cannot comprehend this concept. Their lives are full of sadness.

Armageddon would be in the same boat, if not for my niece crying every single time she saw it. And no, not tear-stained cheeks crying, or a few sniffles crying. Full on, heaving and sobbing, snot out of the nose, actual wailing and gnashing of teeth crying. She got dehydrated once.

Dehydrated. From crying. ABOUT ARMAGEDDON.

So fuck that movie.

Wait, what was wrong with Spider-Man 2?

Posted by: Vermillion at May 22, 2009 1:56 PM

Independence Day is big, dumb fun and does not deserve a place on this list.

And the bit with the aliens getting beaten by a Mac makes a bit more sense when you learn that the scene where it's revealed that the Apple Steves used to work at Area 51 and stole alien technology to make the Mac architecture was left on the cutting room floor.

(Okay, so it doesn't make a LOT more sense. But at least it's attempting to address suspension of disbelief.)

Posted by: mightygodking at May 22, 2009 2:00 PM

"We will not go quietly into the night!" We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today... we celebrate our INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!!"


better speech than the Gettysburg address...

N'uff said...

Posted by: MarcusArilius at May 22, 2009 2:03 PM

Wow. Watching the trailer for The Matrix Reloaded reminds me why I was so freakishly, frame-by-frame-through-the-trailer excited about the movie. Only now do I recognize that all the best moments -- every single one of them -- are right there in the trailer. There was nothing in the actual film that improved upon the experience of its 3 minute preview.

When I was finished watching it, I thought "wow, that was fun," and no part of me wanted to see the movie afterward.

Posted by: Wonkey the Monkey at May 22, 2009 2:10 PM

Posted by: Louise at May 22, 2009 2:12 PM

Okay, so my comment might be more relevant if I'd posted it in the correct thread. Oops.

Still, it's a great review.

Posted by: Louise at May 22, 2009 2:13 PM

Oh my goodness. This list is depressing.

I refuse to acknowledge Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the blah blah skull. And while Star Wars: Episode I sucked, what about Star Wars: Episode III? THAT should be on this list. Everyone knows that that was horrible shit. You should've seen my younger, 10-year-old brother's face after we left the theater. It was a sad sight.

I don't understand why some of you are saying Spider-Man 2 was bad, it was actually okay, but, #3 was such a let-down. Dustin, you know how long it took for me to forget about the horrid mess that is Spider-Man 3?

Posted by: KP at May 22, 2009 2:13 PM

Wait, wait, wait, wait admin.

Cashmere? It's not about a sweater, man.

Sorry Jakes, Kashmir.

That's what I get for multi-tasking.

Posted by: admin at May 22, 2009 2:17 PM

I've been disappointed by both X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Star Trek. Wolverine just sucked.
I didn't really hate Star Trek but once you get past the novelty of seeing new actors portraying the iconic characters it all boils down to a generic plot that's already been done in one form or another either in one of the many many many tv series or in the many many many movies.

Posted by: John W at May 22, 2009 2:17 PM

Oh, and am I the only commenter who's seen all 10 of these? Everyone seems to have seen 6 or 7. Maybe I'm just the right age...

Posted by: Wonkey the Monkey at May 22, 2009 2:20 PM

You should've seen my younger, 10-year-old brother's face after we left the theater. It was a sad sight.

Wait, not "younger, 10-year-old brother," he was actually 12, and that statement was meant for Indiana Jones but, 10 or 12, he knew afterwards that both films sucked.

Posted by: KP at May 22, 2009 2:22 PM

Wait just a fucking minute! Who thought Godzilla would be good?!?! Did you see the previews? Catch the Puff Daddy/Led Zeppelin abomination of a music video? Yikes.

Anyway, this list begins and ends with Star Wars I and The Matrix Reloaded. The only enjoyment I got out of those shitheaps was ripping them to shreds with my friends for weeks afterward.

Armageddon is now a 9.3 on the Drunk After Midnight Watchability Scale. The unintentional comedy is a neverending fountain of awesome.

***WARNING: Shameful admission to follow***
I like Independence Day in the theater. It was screening in the biggest theater I have ever attended and was packed with what must have been 500 drunk college students. They were yelling and cheering so much that half the dialogue was (mercifully) unintelligible. I thought it kicked ass until I later saw it in the quiet of my own home. That's when I said to myself, I said, "Kballs, make sure you're drunk for every big action movie you ever see in the theater." Done and done.

And Bill Pullman sucks yak dick.

Posted by: Kballs at May 22, 2009 2:33 PM

Spiderman 3 was balls, but it doesn't hold a candle to the disappointment that was X3. X-Men was good; X2 was awesome. I was so excited for X3 I could have pissed myself. And then Brett Ratner pissed on us all and set us on fire (yes, his urine is gasoline).

The man has 12 films in development right now. Twelve. The world is a terribly unfair place.

Posted by: vercordio at May 22, 2009 2:35 PM

oh no, i've seen them all and OWN 8 of them.

i cannot be held accountable.
i'm a stoner with a huge entertainment budget.

Posted by: gp at May 22, 2009 2:37 PM

Dude, I still love me some Independence Day. I find it awesomely summer appropriate.

Posted by: Kate at May 22, 2009 2:41 PM

And Bill Pullman sucks yak dick.

WHAT?! Have you seen While You Were Sleeping?! He's so dreamy.

Posted by: Julie at May 22, 2009 2:42 PM

I've seen 9 1/2 of these. Indiana Jones shouldn't even count, because it doesn't exist.

And I could only get through less than half of Spidey 3. Gave up pretty damn quickly on that one.

I'm with Julie. He really was dreamy in that.

Posted by: figgy at May 22, 2009 2:52 PM

The only reason I still adore Independence Day is because of one of the comedy groups on campus, who wrote and performed "the showstopping number from Independence Day: The Musical."

They turned the president's speech into a song, included a song for one of the aliens (who was promptly knocked out), and had tap-dancers. It was absolutely absurd, and as a result I will forever love that movie. It's still awful, though.

Posted by: That Girl at May 22, 2009 3:27 PM

Have to chime in on the "Independence Day" love. It's just fun.

Could you consider hiring a new reviewer, someone who just comments on the entertainment value of the movies while the rest of you concentrate on the artiness and techno-babble of it all? I like a great movie as much as the next person, but sometimes I just want to eat some popcorn and have fun without thinking too hard about it. Besides, I'd like to see what an "entertainment value" reviewer could do to some of those boring movies that are supposed to be so good for me.

Posted by: lateformyfuneral at May 22, 2009 3:54 PM

Bill Pullman. I don't know why and I can't explain it, but I find him so appealing. He's not that handsome, and not cool at all, but whenever I see him in a movie, I root for him.

And I agree with everyone upthread about X3, but my brother continues to insist that it's a good movie. I think he's just still in love with Famke. If he saw her in Taken, he'd change his mind. She be lookin' old.

And I would have put Deep Impact on the list instead of Armageddon. At least Armageddon had some funny moments in there. I mean, Steve Buscemi? Hilarious, as always!!

I'm a crier, so I totally teared up when all the people started dying and being separated from their loved ones. But come on -- Leelee Sobieski's RANDOM wedding and WOODEN acting? Tea Leoni's frightened "daddy" just before they get hit by a tsunami?

I left the theater with swollen eyes and a red nose and then turned to my friends and said, "That was one of the worst movies I've ever seen."

Posted by: Jelinas at May 22, 2009 4:06 PM

For most of these, (Not Ghostbusters 2, as I was a fetus at the time) I left the theater flush with excitement, having just munched my way through a couple buckets of popcorn and a soda or two. Even Indiana Jones left me numb enough to assume I enjoyed myself. But X-Men 3 just filled me with rage. I stormed out of the theater, bitching to everyone.
Weirdly, a guy stopped me in the parking lot and told me I should've stayed after the credits because Professor X was totally still alive.
Oh, that changes eeeeeeeeeeeverything. If I had a shank concealed in my boot, I would've not stopped until it tasted blood.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at May 22, 2009 4:11 PM

Dear Independence Day:
If loving you is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Posted by: Carolina Girl at May 22, 2009 4:17 PM

Fucking excellent. I couldn't agree more with Spider-man 3. Yeah, it had great effects, action, and a little humor, but emo motherfucking spidey? What were they thinking?

No one had any reason to expect it would be as bad as it was. Raimi had already mastered the art of the third film (Army of Darkness), but that was just wrong.

None of these films are really that bad, but they were just letdowns. Their followups were inevitably worse (Clones, Revolutions, Batman & Robin, Day After Tomorrow), but by then, we had already been let down. What a cruel world.

Posted by: George at May 22, 2009 5:26 PM

However, I liked Phantom at that age, but at 8, I could sit through an Aaron Carter song without killing everyone within 100 square miles of Hollywood.

What a magical, frightening age.

Posted by: George at May 22, 2009 5:28 PM

I loved Armageddon, saw it in the theater 3 times, won't appologize for it.

Posted by: Austin asking for trouble at May 22, 2009 6:07 PM

"What's not to like about Armageddon?"

#1. That fucking theme song.

Diane Warren will be spending eternity roasting in hell with each and every member of Aerosmith for that song alone. Whereas the band might simply roast in a pit of burning coals, however, Ms. Warren may have her liver pecked out every day for sending what used to be a halfway decent rock band down the path of sickly sweet, diabetic coma-inducing ballads.

#2. Ben Affleck's teeth.

I think they went through the film frame by frame and specially whitened them. Yes, he capped them specially. Yes, he specially whitened them. But then, just because Michael Bay wanted to be EXTRA sure his mouth-breather demographic got the MESSAGE that THIS was his young HERO... he had them go through the film... frame by motherfucking frame... and specially whiten each and every motherfucking capped goddamned tooth in Ben goddamned Affleck's toothy, toothy mouth. I think maybe they even added a few teeth where there hadn't been any teeth before.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at May 22, 2009 6:32 PM

I would like to add my name to the list of people who think ID4 is awesome, cheesiness or no.

And anyone who didn't like the new Star Trek is dead to me... DEAD!!!

Posted by: BMG at May 22, 2009 8:09 PM

I've seen all 10 and I still luv Independence Day & Armageddon, totally agree about the rest though.

Posted by: Frost at May 22, 2009 8:24 PM

Indiana Jones is gold, if only for the music. Da da da DA, da da da, da da da DA, da da da Da DA!

The kid in Last Action Hero made me want to punch a wall. Damn wall gettin' in my way!

Ghostbusters 2 a BAD film? Wash that potty mouth out with some soap!

I agree with the poster who said the 2nd Jurassic Park should be on here. After #2, we all knew it was shite from there on out.

I didn't like the first Spiderman movie (I know, I know), so I didn't bother with any of the subsequent films.

The little montage of Liv Tyler's life right before Bruce Willis dies in Armageddon always makes me cry like a chubby child whose ice cream cone fell in the sandbox.

"Kiss from a Rose" is an awesome song. And Val Kilmer wasn't half as bad as George "cod piece" Clooney. Of course, he was no Michael Keaton either. And certainly no Christian "laryngitis voice" Bale.

And I like Independence Day.

Posted by: Sarah at May 22, 2009 9:37 PM

Damnitjanet & Jules, is there room in there for me?

When my daughter was about 4 (she will be 13 next week), she found our VHS copies of the Indiana Jones trilogy. She watched them all. Back to back. Twice. Then told me she was going to marry "The man with the hat and the whip". So, naturally, she was ecstatic when they confirmed IV. We went to see it in the theatres. Her little brother said on leaving "That was awesome, Sissy!" She replied "We're gonna watch the first 3 when we get home, Buddy. I'll show you awesome". It broke my heart a little. Indiana Jones IV did not live up to my daughter's ideal and that's why it sucked in my books.

Posted by: Eyvi at May 22, 2009 11:31 PM

I'm with Julie on Independence Day. And I was 12 years old at the time. I didn't know any better. Now its a decent dose of nostalgia when there is nothing else on tv and I happen to see it on the guide.

Posted by: Dave at May 23, 2009 1:02 AM

maryscott, i read that like two and a half hours ago, and have been thinking of affleck's teeth ever since.

for pete's sake, i have to work in the morning and no matter how tightly i shut my eyes...the brightness!
damn you :)

Posted by: gp at May 23, 2009 1:29 AM

Two words for Spiderman 3: SO GOOD.


I'll let the irony of that statement just sink in.

Posted by: duckandcover at May 23, 2009 2:56 AM

Eyvi,
That is the cutest and most beautiful thing ever if it's true.
Your oldest SHOULD show what the youngest missed:
"OK. Get comfy. You want a snack? Ok, here's your Cracker Jacks. Mom, press play . . . Yes, it's okay to feel weird when you see Mr. Ford . . ."

Posted by: Kballs at May 23, 2009 3:17 AM

Lebron for 3.

Posted by: Kballs at May 23, 2009 3:17 AM

I've seen all of these except Armageddon. The reason I never saw that one is mainly due to the already mentioned horrific Aerosmith song associated with it.

I agree with disappointment for all of these except one although I'd put them in a very different order -- Spiderman 3 I'd move down a bit and Indiana Jones I'd move up.

The exception though is Independence Day. I went to the theater expecting a stupid plot and excessive patriotism, but with lots of silly one-liners, Will Smith, and explosions. That's exactly what I got. No disappointment at all.

Posted by: Shannon at May 23, 2009 6:11 AM

I'd like to add the League of Extraordinary Gentleman. I really looked forward to that movie, and not only was it awful, you couldn't even see anything! All the Victorian steampunk goodness wasted. Well, at least we've got Van Helsing.

LEG wasn't a summer blockbuster. It was hidden in the spring doldrums when even the studios figured out it was awful and that the fanboys were the only ones whom would watch it.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at May 23, 2009 8:56 AM

Last Action Hero may have had execution problems, and may have been hokey besides, but it had such a sweet affection for movies that I can't help continuing to love it. Every time, it gets me, that fucking kid with his innocent hero worship forcing his hero to become a real hero.

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen broke my fucking heart. All that fantastic material. Wasted. Blown to shit.

Posted by: Brook at May 23, 2009 11:30 PM

The funny thing is I loved Spiderman 3 and called myself Emo-Spidey on the various Online forum communities I visited...

Funnily enough I got banned from a few of those forums for being a general ass so you know... Maybe the Title Changes People....

Creepy, Anyway, FUCK YOU SPIDERMAN 3 WAS AWESOME!

Posted by: RonnyK at May 24, 2009 4:11 AM

Thank you for including Independence Day. I see plenty of people defend it -- I'm not surprised. I've heard lots of praise for it in the past. My husband and I watched it after the fact -- on DVD, and while we enjoy our share of mind-numbing action flicks, we both stared at each other in disbelief.

People liked this? Guilty pleasures are one thing, but this one was terribly written, terribly delivered, and as Canadians, we wanted to gag at the over-done American jingoism. We used to rah-rah U.S. movies, but when a movie tries to make the rest of the world look like useless tools, it becomes offensive.

Posted by: TKay at May 24, 2009 10:57 AM

Oh, I'm with you, dammitjanet. "Armageddon" and "ID4" weren't THAT bad. As cheesy movies go, I can still have a laugh at the over-the-top dialogue and incredible plot, and ogle at the great eye candy. (And I also take exception with "Back to the Future, Part II" - it's actually a respectable sequel, and nowhere in the vicinity of Indiana Jones' fuckups such as "Temple of Doom" or "Empty ..." er, "Crystal Skull.")
On the other hand, Dustin's pretty well nailed it on this list. The VAST majority of the titles here are summer snoozers that could have been Thanksgiving turkeys had they been released in the fall.
I'm a big film preservationist, but I gotta say that if the original negative of one or two of these plonkers accidentally ended up in the fireplace, well, that's the breaks, right?

Posted by: Andy Geisel at May 24, 2009 8:00 PM

Mr. Creosote rightfully hated LOEG but liked Van Helsing? Hmmmm... My biggest lifetime summer movie disappointment was the Ralph/Uma/Connery "Avengers". So, so bad.

Posted by: periscope at May 26, 2009 6:49 PM

Are you sure you're not confusing Drew Barrymore with Uma Thurman (Poison Ivy) in "Batman Forever"?

Posted by: Candy Blackmail at May 27, 2009 2:35 AM





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