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“Battlestar Galactica” is amazing precisely for what it isn’t: It isn’t formulaic, it isn’t predictable, and it sure as hell isn’t your standard science-fiction show. Executive producer Ronald D. Moore’s reimagining of the 1970s camp genre series is so far beyond its origins, so much better and sharper and more engaging than what inspired it, that any comparison would only serve as a reminder of just how deeply flawed the original show was and how low viewers are willing to set the bar for sci-fi entertainment. But the source material has plagued the new show since its inception, so much so that when it blasted out of the gate with its stellar first season, the Emmy campaign attached the trades was nothing more than a black piece of cardboard bearing all of the critical blurbs of adoration for the new show, with not a trace of the title to be seen until you pulled out the screener disc. It’s an admittedly cheeseball title, but it’s still the best and only way to summarily convey the sense of outer space, military action, and grand opera of it all. “Battlestar Galactica.” The series is in the process of wrapping up its final year now, a season that’s been mired in mythology and steeped in clunky plots and bad acting, but the first three years were stellar ones, kicked off by a breathless first season in which the show could do almost no wrong, when it turned convention on its head to present a gritty, believable, and thoroughly compelling human drama about the lives and heartbreaks of the sole survivors of an alien genocide. Running a trim but densely packed 13 episodes, Season One remains the best of the show’s run because it balanced the burgeoning mythology with relatable characters and pure-fire run-and-gun storytelling, the kind of adventure show that makes you realize how much damn fun it can be to see it done right.

“Yes, we’re tired. Yes, there is no relief. Yes, the Cylons keep coming after us time after time after time. And yes, we are still expected to do our jobs!”

“Battlestar Galactica” began life anew as a miniseries and backdoor pilot on the Sci Fi Channel, and like the show that would follow, the miniseries remains better than anything that Sci Fi Channel has a right to produce. On a third-rate network that seems to pride itself on original content about pterodactyls chasing Dean Cain, and that can’t even syndicate enough genre content and inexplicably airs WWE bouts, the arrival of “Battlestar Galactica” was a blast of fresh air for a genre that tends to cut corners. The premise, laid out in the miniseries, mines surprising depth from a pretty simple concept: the end of civilization. In another galaxy, humans create a race of robots called Cylons to do their heavy lifting, but the Cylons, as happens often, grew unhappy with their robotic lives and rebelled. The humans won the first Cylon War, after which the Cylons weren’t seen for 40 years or so. But they eventually return in a massive coordinated strike that eliminates human life on every one of the twelve colony planets, wiping out billions in a matter of moments. The surviving 50,000 humans are massed on the Battlestar Galactica, an old warship set to be decommissioned at the time of the attack, and a scattering of civilian ships ranging from cruise liners to mining facilities. In addition, the Cylons have evolved to develop twelve humanoid models, making infiltration of the human fleet and attendant paranoia all but inevitable. Building on that, Season One opens with “33,” a tense, frenetic episode that serves two important purposes: It establishes the aesthetic tone of the series — handheld cameras, burnished steel, blue lights, and the griminess of cloistered ship life — and it assures the viewer that the good guys are wildly outnumbered, hopelessly outgunned, and resolutely committed to the fight. The human fleet continues to flee the Cylon presence, jumping away via faster-than-light ship drives, but the Cylons find the humans every 33 minutes. No more, no less. The good guys jump away; they wait a little more than half an hour; the bad guys show up and unleash a staggering amount of nuclear warheads; the good guys jump away; repeat until insane from fatigue. The machines keep coming like clockwork for weeks, and the fleet’s small band of fighters are reduced to flying rapid air patrols and sleeping in ten-minute shifts. There’s no polish on the apple here: Everything is gross and small and lived-in and made as much as possible to put aside the inherent beauty required to make a show for television. The mythology that would come to define the show and provide it with its ultimate emotional shape was just beginning to take place: The Cylons speak of the love of the one true God, while the human resistance is a polytheistic one, worshipping the twelve Lords of Kobol. But while that mythology is important to the development of the series, the first season perfectly walked the line between the supernatural bents of the story and the completely real aspect of what it means to be a fighting man or woman — hell, just to be human to one another — when everything else falls apart.

The show revolves around a tight ensemble of characters led by Commander William Adama (Edward James Olmos), leader of the Galatica and the fleet; his son, Capt. Lee Adama (Jamie Bamber), callsign “Apollo”; Lt. Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff), callsign “Starbuck”; Dr. Gaius Baltar (James Callis), who unknowingly helped the Cylons infiltrate and destroy mankind; Laura Roslin (Mary McDonnell), president of what remains of the Twelve Colonies; Col. Saul Tigh (Michael Hogan), the Galactica’s executive officer who’s got a love for booze; Chief Petty Officer Tyrol (Aaron Douglas), a tough man with a fiercely loyal heart; Sharon Valerii (Grace Park), callsign Boomer; and, of course, Number Six (Tricia Helfer), one of the Cylon models who appears, among other places, in Baltar’s vivid hallucinations as an outlet for his guilt over his role as an accomplice and his natural sexual desires. None of them are completely pure or irredeemably evil, and in fact, the series goes out of its way to make sure that none of its characters can ever be easily slotted into a mold. Apollo is a good leader but has a blind spot for Starbuck; Starbuck is an attitude case but an invaluable fighter; Adama is a wise leader but single-minded in what he feels is the best way to protect the fleet; Roslin is reluctant to bow to the military counsel she’s offered but also willing to trust those who are experienced; etc., etc., etc. The characters bounce off each other’s nuances, and there’s never a shortage of growth or change in every episode.

“I swore an oath: to defend the articles. The articles say there is an election in seven months. Now, if you are telling me we are throwing out the law, then I am not a captain, you are not a commander, and you are not the president. And I don’t owe either of you a damned explanation for anything.”

Perhaps the greatest of the many wonderful ways the series attempts to engage its universe on a real level was the way the humans tried to hang onto their crumbling civilization. When the rest of existence is nuked into dusty oblivion, Roslin is the secretary of education and aboard the Galactica, and she’s soon sworn in as president of the colonies because the humans will not let their way of life end without a fight. It’s an admirable use of the chain of succession, it feels more real than having the real president miraculously out of harm’s way when the attack happens, and it also adds to the drama of Roslin’s plotline by making her a leader whose title was reluctantly thrust upon her. But the show doesn’t stop there. A big part of the first season revolves around defining what it means to be a society and how to govern yourselves when you’re forced to start over, and it’s brought up that Roslin is just serving out the remainder of the old president’s term, having never been elected herself, which sets the stage for tense, nuanced political drama unlike anything you’d expect from a sci-fi show. The episode “Bastille Day” is the first one to drag these problems to light. Tom Zarek (Richard Hatch, star of the original series) is a convict who leads his fellow prisoners in a revolt calling for Roslin’s resignation, but he’s bartered into submission by Apollo. Apollo settles Zarek down by saying elections will be held within a year, and Roslin and Adama initially balk at the suggestion, setting the stage for a potential rift between the three of them along the fault lines of moral duty and governmental stability. Adama doesn’t want to grant Zarek any ground because he believes it will weaken the position of the fleet, whose government is necessarily highly militaristic given the war, and Roslin feels the same way. But Apollo comes at it more objectively, believing that to defend the law is to defend the ideals the humans once held in such regard in their old lives: that all men are created equal, and that not even the president is above the law. No side is painted as being a clear moral victor, and no side pays a price for naivete or cynicism. This is just the way things are. Rather than structure the series around conventionally solvable problems, “Battlestar Galactica” is about people coming to the conclusion that their problems probably aren’t solvable at all, at least not without violating whatever rules they’d like to consider unbreakable. The series hangs on the decisions of people running a group of survivors just big enough to be a self-contained society but just small enough to feel cut off forever from the codes they were raised on. It’s about building from the ground up, and about deciding where to draw the line between fairness and prejudice, between safety and tyranny.

It’s that psychological maturity and sense of introspection that makes “Battlestar Galactica” special both in its genre and against the rest of the modern TV landscape, and the series pairs that heady drama with consistently engaging action. The dogfights and battles in space are frenetic, soaring scenes where the camera struggles to follow the action, often relying on zooms or rack focus as if the viewer is a first-person observer trying to keep track of what’s going on in every direction. (It’s a visual technique the FX crews borrowed from “Firefly.”) The fighters fly one-man birds called Vipers, and they launch out of tubes and into the blur of space in a way that both recalls the original series and forever leaves it in the dust. But the humans’ repeated skirmishes with the pursuing Cylon fleet, which shows up almost at random, are built around another key theme of the season: The good guys get their asses kicked. A lot. From the endless flight of “33” on down, the battles aren’t so much a chance for the humans to fight back against their genocidal aggressors as they are a way to let the rest of the fleet jump to safety before the Galactica and her big guns follow suit. In modern sci-fi TV, the easiest comparison is “Star Trek: The Next Generation,” which was about a giant and superpowerful ship designed like your dad’s den that pretty much did whatever it wanted because it was a flagship of an interplanetary federation bent on colonization. No one was ever in any real danger on that show; no one ever had to worry about getting hurt, since the doctor could fix anything, or going hungry, since the computer could summon food out of thin air. “Battlestar Galactica” is the polar opposite of that utopian road trip: No one is ever really safe, people die all the time, there’s never enough food or water, missions are divided between patrolling for Cylon raiders and sending away teams to mine for food or fuel, etc. The guns fire bullets, bones get broken, and wounds are treated by the only doctor available, Doc Cottle (Donnelly Rhodes), whose name is a play on the kind treatment patients aren’t likely to receive in a world that’s been blown to the edge of extinction. That’s what makes the action so good: Like everything in the show’s universe, it has consequences.

“You’ve lost sight of the purpose of the law: to protect its citizens, not persecute them. Whatever we are, whatever’s left of us — we’re better than that.”

I find myself unable to write much more because I’m in danger of simply going through every episode and trying to outdo myself with superlatives for the way the stories weave together plotlines about the human cost of fighting a war and what it means to live in a state of panicked martial law, and what it means to forge a new world from a clash of religious and political ideals. “Battlestar Galactica” is a sweeping show, and though the episodes lack the kind of idiosyncratic or specialized dialogue associated with creators like Joss Whedon or David Simon, it’s nevertheless a show of grand ideas and complicated people acting out a space soap better than you could want it to be. It’s a probing series that never stops asking what it means to be human, and how far you would go to pay for your mistakes. The Cylons, again, aren’t an alien threat wreaking havoc on humanity for fun; they are mankind’s own misbegotten heirs, flesh-and-blood machines who have rebelled and turned on their makers. The humans who survive the genocide pay for the price of their lost civilization’s arrogance, but they never stop trying to fight their way to freedom. The best way to think about it is in terms of the first season’s yearlong arc that deals with Lt. Karl Agathon (Tahmoh Penikett), callsign Helo, who was stranded on the planet Caprica while helping to evacuate civilians in the aftermath of the attacks. Helo — alone, hungry, and suffering from radiation sickness from the nuclear fallout — shouldn’t be able or willing to keep moving from cover to cover, scavenging for signs of life and taking out Cylon centurions two at a time. He has no way of knowing that help is in store, that he’ll be rescued, and that he’ll find himself in the center of a brawl about the nature of existence and the humanoid Cylon race. He has no reason to think he will survive against his oppressors, let alone win, but he does just the same. Even as he runs, he keeps fighting, a light in the darkness. He’s operating under the assumption that a future is not deserved but earned. That’s hope.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Comments

I've never even heard of this show. What channel is it on?

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 5, 2008 1:11 PM

Galactica sucks and I'll tell you why:

Are you SERIOUSLY, telling me that THESE assholes are the best humanity had to offer? Oh, and "Starbuck" is probably a bad smelling dude.

I say the Cylons are much better, and hotter.

(I keep expecting Olmos to chastise Crockett and break into maniacal, bad skinned laughter)

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 5, 2008 1:12 PM

HELL YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH.

I love Tigh in ways words cannot express. His tighness can bite through 8 cylons, and he'll fuck all the hot ones too.

Posted by: Alexa Castro at August 5, 2008 1:13 PM

I was waiting for it. It's finally here.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at August 5, 2008 1:19 PM

YES!
This is exactly right.

Posted by: Alice at August 5, 2008 1:19 PM

Obligatory RR comment regarding Gaius's hot little body:

(squish)

Ah.

Posted by: Ranylt at August 5, 2008 1:20 PM

Seriously, is this a show about robots and stuff? Didn't the original have a robot dog? That would certainly make me watch this. Robot animals are soo adorable!

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 5, 2008 1:21 PM

and they borrowed the frenetic camera action from Firefly because the VFX artists and animators all DID work on Firefly.

Posted by: Alexa Castro at August 5, 2008 1:21 PM

I have a feeling that Ranylt would be in Gaius's little cult/orgy faster than you can say monotheism.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at August 5, 2008 1:23 PM

Obligatory RR comment regarding Gaius's hot little body:
(squish)
Ah.
Posted by: Ranylt at August 5, 2008 1:20 PM

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Settle down there, Barbarella, try and keep it classy..

try

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 5, 2008 1:23 PM

So say we all!

So say we all

SO SAY WE ALL!

So say we all!

SO SAY WE ALL!

SO SAY WE ALL!

I love that little scene at the end of the miniseries because it encapsulates the heart of the show. Here's the crew of Galactica, tired, beaten, staring at the remains of their friends and family and knowing that the Cylons are coming for them next. And they all want to crawl in a hole and die.

But Adama won't let them. He rouses them up by demanding that they swear allegiance to his crazy plan to find Earth. And he doesn't quit until everyone's shouting their Amens as loud as he is.

Forget the flaws the show developed in future seasons. Season 1 was as perfect as it can be. Naturally, it was ignored for the glory that was "Desperate Housewives."

Posted by: BFFredo at August 5, 2008 1:25 PM

Excellent excellent review Daniel, this show rocks my ass. As does every scene with Roslin and Adama interacting together, Katee Sackhoff's scary hotness, and Jamie Bamber in a towel.

Posted by: Julie at August 5, 2008 1:25 PM

Hey, I think that the current season is better than the 3rd. That one sucked.

In any case, great show.

Posted by: the_wakeful at August 5, 2008 1:29 PM

I can't believe you people, are slobbering over this show (actually I CAN, Pajiba is a constant source of disappointment for me, I loathe yo...) aaanyway, Folks.... FOLKS! think for a moment, use your fucking heads!


Why do we want these people to live?

What have the writers given us, that would make, these particular group of humans, worthy of survival?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 5, 2008 1:36 PM

This is my secret indulgence. Whenever I try to mention how GREAT this show is, the inevitable reaction I get is:

"Ewwwwwwww, you watch sci-fi?"

"No! No, not like that!"

And I'm back-peddling, making excuses, forget trying to convert anyone.

Posted by: Tati at August 5, 2008 1:42 PM

Wow. Um. I'll give you the "mired in mythology" part, but bad acting? Really? Like who, exactly?
I mean, I've really enjoyed this season much more than the 3rd, even if it's not quite up to the amazing first and second seasons.

Good choice for the season, though. Season one was was the peak of the show's consistency and awesomeness.

Posted by: chijihuahua at August 5, 2008 1:45 PM

B-Slim: for the same reason we are worthy of survival...none whatsoever.

Posted by: BFFredo at August 5, 2008 1:47 PM

Hey, when did BarbadoSlim come back? I missed that guy.

Well, except not. Ever.

Posted by: Bri at August 5, 2008 1:47 PM

They're worthy of survival because they question their worthiness. I think the whole Baltar trial pretty much drove that home. Also, they don't, overuse, commas.

And Helo is the 12th Cylon. This is all the philosophy I have left, man. If it's not Helo... I'm totally disappointed. Unless it's Lee and he takes his shirt off.

Posted by: megbon at August 5, 2008 1:48 PM

Briefly de-lurking to express my deepest love for this show. At least 50% of the episodes left me staring open-mouthed at the screen, thinking "I can't believe that just fucking happened." The relationship between Adama Sr. and President Roslyn is perfect, it's always good to see two characters who don't agree, but still have immense respect for each other, and watching Baltar slowly go batshit insane is far more fun than should be allowed.

Also, I named my cat Gaius Baltar. I'm pretty sure he hallucinates little blonde kittens.

Posted by: SleepyBeastie at August 5, 2008 1:50 PM

Why do we want these people to live?

What have the writers given us, that would make, these particular group of humans, worthy of survival?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim

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That's a question that's asked quite often on the show, and no one has yet come up with a satisfactory answer. That's kind of the point.

They cannot do otherwise, but whether they deserve it is another matter entirely.

Posted by: SavageCats at August 5, 2008 1:54 PM

Beautiful, Dan. I spent about a week or two watching everything Battlestar Galactica from the beginning to the last episode that aired. Even the webisodes and Razor. I love it and Season One is the crown jewel of the series. Unfortunately I also fucked myself in the face, because having not watched the show as it aired I was unaware of the shenanigans of the Sci Fi Channel. Apparently, they're run by a group of piss-huffing douchetools who like to break seasons in half separated by an eight month block of time. So if anyone has an address of where I can send this delicious batch of herp laced brownies, much appreciated.

Posted by: jM at August 5, 2008 2:00 PM

Frak yes.

I'm not sure why I nominated Lost over BSG for the Season 20 slot. I think it's because this last season of BSG was pretty good, but just maddening with this 8 month break in between the last 11 episodes just so Sci-Fi can continue to milk a franchise they have ceased supporting. The last season was jumpy as hell, and it seemed to be that the writers skipped quite a bit to get the characters where they needed them to be. It was jarring to say the least.

But Season 1 was near perfect looking back on it. There has only been a couple times in my life I've actually stood up and yelled at the TV during a television show and the end of BSG Season 1 was one of them. "33" stands as one of my favorite television episodes of all time. I loved the mini-series but was apprehensive about being able to continue that level of quality into a series. "33" shattered any apprehension before the main credits. Outstanding show.

Great choice.

Posted by: TylerDFC formerly "Rob" at August 5, 2008 2:06 PM

Commenters, watch your spoilers; some folks [ahem] are working their way through the first three seasons right now.

and they borrowed the frenetic camera action from Firefly because the VFX artists and animators all DID work on Firefly

Yes! I love the wild zooms to one ship out of a group. The first time I saw it, I squeaked "Firefly!" Mrs. socalled suppressed a yawn.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at August 5, 2008 2:06 PM

Thank you Carlson for finally bringing us a most worthy entry into the top 20. BSG truly is the best that scifi has to offer, distilled into hour-long doses of perfection. I almost completely missed the miniseries and jumped straight into season 1, then thankfully got set straight as 1) not only did the miniseries KICK ASS masterfully; 2) it also set a very important foundation for the show to come.

Ranylt, "squish," eh? To me you are now wearing sexy librarian glasses and practicing simultaneous naughty "shh" and come-hither motions. Who knew literature types were so hot-blooded? Rrowr.

Posted by: lordhelmet at August 5, 2008 2:30 PM

BS , umm... did you say classy? I never thought that word would ever used to describe, insinuate, imply, or even be mentioned in or about Pajiban... This is a site that prides itself on worshiping an eight tentacled demi-god, while being the first people to throw stones at Rainbow Killer and she who must not be named. This is also the site where both Ryan Renolds and Christian Bale would get raped, molested, and gang banged by just about everyone without a second thought, in fact I'm sure there would not only be a cheering section, but a penut gallery as well commenting on Julie's technique or TK's stamina.

I understand that was probably said in a faceious (sarcastic for the other half) (by the way, did you know faceious is the only word that has all the vowels in the right order, aeiou, and faceiously also has y) manner, but I'm not sure even that excuses the word. As much as some hate the word "overrated", "classy" is worse. Not only does it denote the superiority of one set over another, it also insults everything that I love about all the crazy people in Pajibaland. There are too many examples (see Eloquent Eloquence since day 1) of Pajibans showing their creative, sadistic, pornographic, sophisticated, elitist (yes, we all think and know we are better than everyone else), and above all humorous talents and minds to degrade them with the word "classy." For shame...BS.. FOR SHAME!!!

Posted by: nico at August 5, 2008 2:38 PM

I emailed this link to my geeky BSG loving husband. He'll eat up every word.

Last Valentine's Day, he gave me a homemade card that declared I was his Cylon.

He needs an intervention.

Posted by: Anastasia at August 5, 2008 2:42 PM

spoiler

I still think season three is better. Tigh loses his F*CKING EYE, I mean, c'mon.

You're welcome.

Posted by: FourKings at August 5, 2008 2:56 PM

Daniel, that was beautiful. the original was my favorite show--shut up, i was a child--and this show is so wonderfully different i can't help but sing it's praises to everyone i can trick into talking to me.

megbon, i will take Helo being the final model--as long as he takes his shirt off!

Posted by: pq at August 5, 2008 2:57 PM

facetious.

faceTious.

faceTious.

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen (Jr.)(apologies to original AB) at August 5, 2008 3:09 PM

I came to this show late, despite all the peer pressure, but once I came, I was converted, joined the choir, and started leading my own evangelism meetings. I have my dvr on a wide spread "catch all BSG" and so about half of its capacity is old episodes that I've already seen a few times, but I'll watch them again while I'm cleaning, or puttering on the laptop, or whatnot. I think I should give up and buy the DVDs. It is rather hard to keep leading these tent revivals when I don't own the Bible. And I think I've stretched my metaphor of fanatic-love-of-BSG as a form of evangelistic-religion about as far as I can.

Posted by: libraryliz at August 5, 2008 3:14 PM

Your obvious love and near-freakish devotion to BSG makes some really wonderful reading, Daniel.

I tried to watch 3 or 4 episodes online, but I just couldn't get that worked up about it. Your review/analysis of Season One not only entertained the hell out of me, it made me glad that this show actually exists for everyone who regards it as highly as you do.

Just because one might not be a fan doesn't mean I can't appreciate those who are, so I respect and admire your choice.

And I'm not being facetious.

Posted by: TMax at August 5, 2008 3:18 PM

Yes! I was so worried this wouldn't be picked, seeing as how it appeared that The Sopranos and Seinfeld seemed poised to take the number 18 and 19 spots.

Actually, I would be kind of pissed off if I see those two on the list. They're just a tad overrated, however revolutionary they might have been as tv shows... [/small voice]

Posted by: ylhcnlm at August 5, 2008 3:23 PM

Great review -- perfectly captures the brilliance of the first season.

I think switching to the 22-episode format really hurt the show. Seasons 2-4 definitely have had many moments of excellence, but they've also had their fair share of clunkers -- see "Black Market" -- when compared with riveting tautness of season one. The type of serialized storytelling BSG does is just harder to sustain over 22 episodes, especially with network execs bugging you for more "stand-alone" episodes. Incidentally, the superiority of the 12-episode season, I think, is one of the understated reasons for the greatness of HBO shows.

Posted by: Mike G at August 5, 2008 3:30 PM

yeah. my "t" doesn't work.

Posted by: Nico at August 5, 2008 3:32 PM

Hmmm. I was so sure this would be number one. And since you've already used up Deadwood, I can't even imagine what's left. In my mind the only possible contender left is the first season of Sesame Street (at least first season I was introduced to) circa 1973-ish. Is it possible? Could we really be treated to a womderful review of those first few months with Ernie, Bert, Mr. Hooper, et al?

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 5, 2008 3:44 PM

Also looks like Scrubs and Frazier won't be making the cut, either.

Oh, well.

Posted by: TMax at August 5, 2008 3:47 PM

(sorry nico) (I'm one of those people)

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen (Jr.)(apologies to original AB) at August 5, 2008 3:57 PM

Sooo....I should maybe think about borrowing my friends' DVDs of the series, perhaps? You know, if I'm bored sometime?

Actually, I fully intended to watch it, though I just finished Arrested Development Season 1 and want to go through one series before starting another. Big Love was next on my agenda, but maybe I should go in alphabetical order.

Thank you for a positively tantalizing review, Daniel!

Posted by: MO(meaux) at August 5, 2008 4:01 PM

meaux, you should seriously consider raising BSG's priority on your list. Borrow if necessary, buy if possible, but your life will be greatly improved the sooner you rectify this serious error. You may want to schedule your BSG viewing for a time when other demands can be safely ignored as you'll not be wanting to tolerate distractions once it's begun.

Posted by: lordhelmet at August 5, 2008 4:09 PM

Anastasia don't apologize, you were right... I wouldn't apologize if I were right, I would rub in someone's face with a giant smile as I glow from being right.

Posted by: Nico at August 5, 2008 4:14 PM

Unbelievably well-said, Daniel.

Right on the money.

Posted by: Chez at August 5, 2008 4:15 PM

Ha, funny you should say that, lordhelmet, a friend of mine recently went through a spell of showing up late for things for that very reason. Sounds like a hell of an addiction. Anyway, Mr. Mo is very eager to watch the series--he started to get hooked way back when it began, missed a couple of episodes, and got so confused when he returned that he gave up and swore to start over on DVD. So, I'm sure we'll be watching it soon.

Nico, love it when a person can laugh at him/herself. You rock! And I say that without being either faceious or facetious. *wink*

Posted by: MO(meaux) at August 5, 2008 4:22 PM

Hooray! BSG made the list! Well chosen, and well written, Daniel. Yeah, Season 1 really was the best year of this show. Seasons 2 and 3 were also very good, but they suffered from awful filler episodes in the second half, which is bound to happen when a season has more episodes than they know what to do with. Hm...perhaps if each Season had 13 episodes? Aw, but they haven't had 14 bad episodes...more like six. Ah, whatever. "Black Market" and "The Woman King" are the only really BAD episodes, as far as I'm concerned. Though I don't like "Sacrifice" for who they killed off in it and "Scar" felt pretty pointless.

Season 4 is exhilarating enough, and I'm SO excited for the next half, but I'm having a lot of concerns about just what direction the show is going to go in. It's probably because I'm anxious as to how they're going to end the show. As in, I really hope they don't screw it up.

We'll just have to see though. January couldn't come soon enough! (If it's still on for January...)

Posted by: vic at August 5, 2008 4:36 PM

I'm very proud to say that I recently converted my brother in law. The poor man didn't know what hit him. He spent the whole night watching the miniseries even though he had to wake up early to take care of the baby. Then he borrowed the 1st season DVD. My sister? Not happy.

Posted by: Joker at August 5, 2008 4:54 PM

I think most people agree there have been some questionable picks. The problem of course is there isn't a lot of agreement on what those questionable picks were, other then maybe "Farscape". But "Battlestar Galactica"? Really? This pick is a total cave to fanboy pressure.

Posted by: EricD at August 5, 2008 4:57 PM

EricD, I hope you didn't just diss Farscape and BSG at the same time. In my book, that's asking for a beating. Which I will gladly hand out, you panda-frelling frakker.

Posted by: Joker at August 5, 2008 5:10 PM

There seem to be three major groups of people regarding BSG:

1. Those who like sci-fi and like the show.
2. Those who don't generally like sci-fi but like the show.
3. Those who don't generally like sci-fi and don't really give this show a chance.

Unfortunately for me, I fall into a little sub-group, those who like sci-fi but think this show sort of, well, sucks. Everything in the review above is basically true -- on paper. But in execution, far too often the solid premise and dramatic themes of the show are undercut by unlikable characters, poor dialogue (sorry, "frak" really is kind of stupid -- especially when used as a verb), and half-baked storylines. And though I don't like to pick on actors, who are stuck with what they're given in terms of script and direction, at least half the performers on BSG seem to be, frankly, not very good. I've tried like hell to get into the show, since so many people whose opinions I respect like it, but every time I watch it it's like running into a brick wall.

Please don't hate me for it.

Posted by: Todd at August 5, 2008 5:17 PM

meaux, You definitely need to go in alphabetical order. Alpha order is the happiness that makes the world go round. Unless of course you go in Dewey Decimal order. In which case polygamy/Mormon fundamentalism go in 306.8423ish (social studies/family studies type things), and space flight and interstellar travel (which seems such an inadequate way to describe BSG but is one of the subject headers my library uses for our DVD copies of it) is around 629.45. So then watch Big Love first. Unless you want to use Library of Congress, and don't even get me started on that. (Primarily because I'm a public librarian and it rather makes my head hurt.)

Posted by: libraryliz at August 5, 2008 5:18 PM

Todd, you are unhated. Rather, you are pitied for being evidently incapable of appreciating the excellence that is the new BSG (but bless your willing heart for trying). If you're interested in a cure, I'd recommend repeated head trauma or the immediate and prolonged ingestion of large amounts of alcohol. If you're ok with who you are, just try not to start too many fights as that can change your hate status.

Posted by: lordhelmet at August 5, 2008 5:28 PM

Posted by: nico at August 5, 2008 2:38 PM

Sooooooo, from reading your post I'm getting this: you want me.


If you're a broad, take a number, if you're a dude.....talk to Vermillion, or maybe TK.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 5, 2008 5:35 PM

Battlestar Season One is phenomenal and I am glad it is finally getting the appreciation it deserves. I am a SCI FI person but was recruited by a non SCI FI person to watch this show. That says it all right there for me. Yes the sci fi is a definite element but the show is about characters, struggle, excellent story arcs, etc. Now only if we could get a show like Carnivale or Six Feet Under on here.
So say we all....

Posted by: Denton at August 5, 2008 5:37 PM

yes, BS ... I want you... I NEED you... I am so glad you were able to read between the lines... my body aches... sweats... pulses with your name... my legs quiver at the thought of you... my arms shake at your words... my manhood throbs just wanting to bend you over and take you... again and again... please BS come to me and let me make a real man out of you... I'll show you classy... I'll show you where the "t" belongs... I'll show it all to you, all you have to say is yes...

(in case you didn't realize, I am being faceTious).

Posted by: Nico at August 5, 2008 5:44 PM

Todd, the "frak" thing kind of annoyed me as well, from the teensy bit of the show I've seen. (Curse or don't curse, fuckers!) However, I promise I'll do my best to overlook it, in the hopes that I'll fall into your Group 2.

libraryliz, I have severe job envy! I would love to be a librarian. Crazy Dewey Decimal system and all, it must be awesome to be surrounded by unlimited reading material....

lordhelmet, I'm on to you, you booze-pusher--you just want to get us all inebriated, so that you can stand back and enjoy the crazy show. Great plan, carry on!

Posted by: MO(meaux) at August 5, 2008 5:44 PM

if any of you want to continue the torture that is waiting for the next episodes to air, I give you:
http://io9.com/5032614/a-glimpse-inside-the-filming-of-battlestars-final-episodes

gee I hope that works.

Posted by: Stella at August 5, 2008 5:45 PM

also, I hate to say, I found most of this season's episodes un-buh-lee-bably boring. Here's hoping the rest of the season perks up. But Season 1 gave me vag wood.

Posted by: Stella at August 5, 2008 5:47 PM

...and here I was desperately hoping that the last picks would be more seasons of Buffy. *sigh*

Mo, finish AD. It will change your life. I tend to pattern myself after a mixture of Gob and Lucille: Drunk by 10am, living on a yacht selling bees.

Posted by: popejenn at August 5, 2008 5:55 PM

Denton: Yep, we got "Six Feet Under":

http://www.pajiba.com/six-feet-under-season-one.htm

Posted by: vic at August 5, 2008 5:58 PM

please BS come to me and let me make a real man out of you... I'll show you classy... I'll show you where the "t" belongs... I'll show it all to you, all you have to say is yes...

(in case you didn't realize, I am being faceTious).

Posted by: Nico at August 5, 2008 5:44 PM


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So ...mmmm .....Burger King, around six..ish?....Nah, FUCK THAT! I'll splurge, Wendy's.

Hey Rowles, I told YA' Pajiba "afterhours" is a hit, and you just buried it, like they buried the Water Engine and self cooking meat, pfffffffft.

It's a date, Nico. (hope you have a car, my grandma's blue Stanza is being repaired)

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 5, 2008 6:01 PM

Stella, I don't know whether to hug you or kick your ass. Great link, but now I have to wait till January with this renewed hunger for more Battlestar! Here's to your vag wood, anyway.

meaux, you're right. Here, have another drink, on me.

Posted by: lordhelmet at August 5, 2008 6:02 PM

My favorite show. However, the miniseries blew if you ask me. Also, the humans didn't win the first war- an armistice was declared. (In fact, as was later revealed, the Cylons were basically destroying the Colonials. The Cylons could've finished them off then but chose to pull out.) The humans were completely wiped out- that's what the Colonials tell themselves. I guess it might be easier for them to think their loved ones died instantly. But actually, many people survived the attacks but were gathered into farms for experiments, or shot. Several survivors end up joining the fleet.

Also, the first half of the third season was awesome. The last half sucked. The fourth season has rocked the casbah so far. The acting has been top-notch, Jane Espenson has been writing episodes, and the season's opening battle was the shit.

Also: Firefly/BSG trivia- BSG actually did a little tribute to Firefly: in the miniseries when Roslin is talking to the doctor, a firefly flies next to the window.

Posted by: Jon at August 5, 2008 6:04 PM

I always thought "Buck Rogers" was a better television program than "Battlestar Galactica". I've caught glimpses of the "revamped" show, and I think there would be quite a few people interested in seeing a remake of "Buck Rogers In The 21st Century". How 'bout it Hollywood?

Posted by: Conrad (last name withheld) at August 5, 2008 6:06 PM

Also: Firefly/BSG trivia- BSG actually did a little tribute to Firefly: in the miniseries when Roslin is talking to the doctor, a firefly flies next to the window.

Posted by: Jon at August 5, 2008 6:04 PM


yeah...I can't believe I...ah missed that.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 5, 2008 6:08 PM

Conrad, old friend!

You couldn't have arrived at a better time. Let's remind these schmucks what true, quality sci-fi is all about, how Gil Gerard absolutely rocked as Buck Rogers & how these other radicals have somehow forgotten it's absolute extraordinary nutsackiness!

Finally, a voice of reason on this maddening BSG love-thread.

Posted by: TMax at August 5, 2008 7:20 PM

Oh, quiet out there all of a sudden?

Why am I not surprised?

Posted by: TMax at August 5, 2008 7:38 PM

I'm on it, popejenn--I am totally hooked on AD, and will be picking up Season 2 at my parents' place this weekend. Can't wait! (I've developed a completely irrational and slightly distressing love of GOB...)

Now, off to take lordhelmet's advice and get another drink....

Posted by: MO(meaux) at August 5, 2008 8:13 PM

Excellent, MO! Soon you will understand the hilarious bee reference, and life will be even more grand.

Now I'm off for a jog. Marathon's don't train for themselves. Does that even make sense, or am I dangerously dehydrated?

Posted by: popejenn at August 5, 2008 8:24 PM

AN ERRANT APOSTROPHIE! I AM DEHYDRATED.

ahem...it should be "marathons"...apologies; apologies all around.

Posted by: popejenn at August 5, 2008 8:25 PM

GIANT SPOILERS FOLLOW
BE WARNED

I have nothing to say...all I had to say has already been wonderfully covered.

I am going to leave before this feeling of warm fuzziness leaves.

Wait a sec....I do have one complaint. It has bugged me since I first saw it in I think the second season. Dualla was all in love with Roslin's first aid, Billy. All moony-eyed and stuff. Then, she worked out with Apollo once, and all of a sudden, she is dumping the guy in public (after he proposes marriage) shortly before he gets killed saving her life. And SHE DOESN'T EVEN LOOK AT HIM TWICE. The only person at his funeral was Roslin. Duall was too busy weeping over Apollo to at least do a sendoff to the guy who took a bullet for her.

What. The. FUCK.

Were they that desperate to find some female to compete against Starbuck? Why her? And why in such a cold-hearted and ass-backwards way?

That has irritated me to no end.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 5, 2008 8:56 PM

I'm pretty sure Dualla is a doode.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 5, 2008 9:21 PM

aw, Nico, you're super sweet!

The structure of my comment was... well, I thought it sounded extraordinarily nutsack-y. You responded with grace and aplomb, and I am grateful. Truly, I was being silly, but sometimes silly comes across as jerky, and I didn't want to sound like that guy.

oh, so BSG... topical, topical.... I got nothin'. I haven't actually watched it, though several of my friends have tried to convince me. I'm in Todd's category # 3. Though I did love Firefly, but only after it was done. (Actually, I picked up the DVD three weeks ago...)

*and I just went back and read Nico's 5:44 pm reply to BSlim.... HA! you are even more awesome than I thought.

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen (Jr.) (In deference to the original) at August 5, 2008 9:51 PM

Vermillion, have you seen Apollo? I would've capped Billy boy myself to get a piece.

Posted by: jM at August 5, 2008 9:52 PM

Vermillion, I'm with you on the Dualla/Billy/Apollo thing. That always irritated the heck out of me. But then I tend to go for the quieter/slightly bashful/super sweet/geeky type. Apollo is incredibly hot, but also major drama. I would have jumped Billy's bones in a second.

Posted by: libraryliz at August 5, 2008 10:00 PM

GIANT SPOILERS OF VERMILLION CONTINUE BELOW

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Vermillion, I think Billy had to go because they needed some way to bring Tory in. They obviously needed...uh, someone of Tory's type (still trying to keep the spoilers vague, here) to be in the position of president's secretary, and Billy was far too nice to suit. He was always so earnest and dedicated and he absolutely adored Roslin and would have died rather than betray her. It would have been wildly out of character for him to make the decisions Tory made. Also, it seems unlikely that Baltar would have fucked Billy quite so often as he did Tory. Anyway, since it would have been patently unbelievable for Roslin to fire Billy or for Billy to quit, he had to die so they could stick Tory in his job. And since Apollo and Starbuck are boring as hell when they're not filled with angst and sniping at each other, it was plenty convenient to have Dualla and Apollo together. So poor loyal, earnest Billy had to die, because that's what always happens to dogs in stories like this, and Billy was essentially a human retriever. Sure, he deserved a bit more of a proper send-off, but what with the war and upcoming election and pregnancies and cancer and alcoholism and Starbuck's stupid rivalry with Kat and all that business with the Pegasus, they just didn't have TIME to be focusing too much on funerals for presidential pets. Besides, Anders would be rescued soon after that, and they couldn't possibly have Starbuck all content and happy with no reasons to be jealous over Apollo and fuck up her relationship with Anders. A happy Starbuck is illegal on that show. Her life sucks almost as much as Sharon's, and Sharon was imprisoned for the better part of the season, beaten up and nearly raped while pregnant, and then her robot baby got stolen and they told her it died. Oh, and everyone hates her because one of her 70 bajillion evil twins shot Adama that one time.

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Posted by: Sarina at August 5, 2008 10:04 PM

I gotta second JM on this one, Vermillion Apollo takes his shirt off A LOT. And it is a thing of beauty.

That said, think about it: these people are obviously frakked up and you can't gauge their relationships by any kind of normal standards. The folks left leading are the ones who didn't lose as much as everyone else since they never had functional relationships before. The only ones with the wherewithal to lead are the ones who hadn't had successful, joyful human relationships pre-apocalypse. Or at least I can't think of one..

Also, Helo is the 12th cylon. Him or Miley Cyrus. I can't decide.

Posted by: megbon at August 5, 2008 10:14 PM

SOME MORE SPOILERS...SORRY FOLKS

You make an excellent point there, Sarina. If he had lived, even if they still brought in Tori, he would have been too protective of Roslin to not be suspicious of her. He wasn't stupid (well, except in girlfriends).

But it really could have been done better. Just a bit more...acknowledgment that the poor bastard existed. I mean, they had that whole thing with Starbuck and Kat, and she practically hated the little runt. They couldn't add one little scene of Dee at the funeral, or at least standing outside the door,? One scene with her showing a bit of sadness over the guy?

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Still despite all that, I would hit that with the fury of a thousand suns.

Vermillion, have you seen Apollo? I would've capped Billy boy myself to get a piece.

Really? I thought your men were more of the two-tone fuzzy variety.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 5, 2008 10:15 PM

You know, I'm geeked out for this show enough to listen to the Ron Moore podcasts and as I recall I think some Billy stuff got cut for time. I mean they gotta keep the show at so many minutes which means you lose stuff but which also makes it tauter, tenser and more exciting than most movies out there now (I may be talking to you, Dark Knight.. yeah, I said it)

Posted by: megbon at August 5, 2008 10:20 PM

It's in the frakkin' ship!

Posted by: Lucas at August 5, 2008 10:24 PM

Uhhh... SPOILER REPEAT?

Also, it seems unlikely that Baltar would have fucked Billy quite so often as he did Tory.

I wouldn't put past him. Billy did have those soft rosy cheeks...

Sarina, don't remind me about Kat. Whenever I think about that bitch's death, I dance a jig.


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Really? I thought your men were more of the two-tone fuzzy variety.

Luckily, Jamie loves to role play.

Posted by: jM at August 5, 2008 10:24 PM

Thank you so much Daniel for your insightful review.

I feel compelled to mention the mind-blowing acting by Edward James Olmos. Understated, and yet so heavy-hitting as to have brought me to tears more than once. And James Callis and Tricia Helfer were made for each other.

Posted by: Cindy at August 5, 2008 10:53 PM

Why does BG deserve to be on this list? When it was in development and all us sci-fi fanboys were hearing about the series, PR kept talking about this skinny model whom had been cast as the 'infiltrator' cylon. It was like another bad Jeri Ryan-Jolene Blalock, hire-the-sex-object thing that plagued ST:Voyager and Enterprise, and this one seemed like she was even more incapable of acting. I hated Tricia Helfer before I even saw the miniseries - she stood for all the crap that idiots in Hollywood insisted every science fiction show had to have.

Wrong has never felt so godsdamnright. I am so damn happy I tuned in despite my misgivings. I even like Tricia Helfer.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at August 5, 2008 11:51 PM

"I named my cat Gaius Baltar. I'm pretty sure he hallucinates little blonde kittens." That was the funniest thing I've read in my soon to be 27 years of existence.
Helo > Apollo any time of the day, if only for the difference in height (6'3">5'9"). Also, Baltar is soooo the 12th model.
Oh and how come BSlim doesn't even know who his master is, I mean "talk to Vermillion, or maybe TK"? Do they only have reserved rights to his backside or do I have to pay the handling fee even tho I'm a girl?

Posted by: Irina at August 6, 2008 12:59 AM

SPOILERS

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I thought they killed Billy off because the actor refused to renew his contract. I doubt they even had the identities of the final five sorted out as they were killing him off, though they might have had the idea in mind..

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Posted by: vic at August 6, 2008 1:53 AM

I've tried to get into this show. I really have. As a guy who produly wears a Star Wars t-shirt in public, I really thought I'd like it - and yet, it didn't grab me.

I have to therefore declare that this is wrong. Yeah, it's objective. Deal with it.

Posted by: Ben (The Harry Potter-Bashing Troll) at August 6, 2008 3:07 AM

Yeaaah I said produly. Deal with it.

Posted by: Ben (The Harry Potter-Bashing Troll) at August 6, 2008 3:08 AM

I think I am gonna have to join ranks with lordhelmethead and say this list of 20 shows sucks ass. Not because it's front loaded or back loaded or what ever the hell he goes on about. It sucks because it has bad choices. We now have "Veronica Mars", "Friday Night Lights", "Farscape", and now "Battlestar Galactica", but missing are "The Sopranos", "Seinfield", "Futurama", "24", "The Kids in the Hall", "Mystery Science Theater" and "Law & Order". Maybe even "Cheers", "ER" and "Friends". This list blows.

Posted by: EricD at August 6, 2008 4:23 AM

Fucking awesome review, Daniel Carlson. Fucking. Awesome.

Not sure about other replies to Vermillion's comment about Dualla getting over Billy mighty quick - I just skipped down here in excitement.

I reckon she got over him as quickly as she did because

A) She's a whore
and
B) Had he stayed, they probably would have had a Billy/Dualla thing going... which would have made her a prime candidate for the final five.

My two cents.

Posted by: Electric Monk at August 6, 2008 5:28 AM

EricD- Friends? ER? Fucking 24? What the hell about Homicide: Life on the Streets?! Or Frasier?!

Sarina: Actually, I'd say Athena's had a worse time of it than Starbuck. She was raised as a mindless drone, whored out by her people, beaten by her people, fell in love with her mark, was shot by him, was nearly choked to death by Adama, was nearly airlocked by Roslin, was almost shot by Lee, was locked in a cage and forced to wear a leash and collar, was smacked around and, in fact, *was raped* while pregnant(they actually filmed a more extensive rape scene but the network wouldn't let them air it. But the official word is that the rape had already begun), nearly had her child aborted, had her child kidnapped, was constantly verbally abused by her fellow Colonials, was manipulated by Boomer, had to be shot by her husband AGAIN, suffered terrifying hallucinations- and that's off the top of my head.

Personally, I wanted Billy as a Cylon. Just think of how badly that would've fucked with Roslin.

Posted by: Jon at August 6, 2008 5:38 AM

EricD, you kinda not only got the commenters name wrong (it is just lordhelmet), but that isn't even the right commenter in the first place.

FURTHER SPOILERS, GODS DAMMIT

All of these eplanations would be mighty acceptable....except for one thing

In the miniseries, there was a scene where someone was asking Adama why he chose to follow the cockamamie plan to escort the survivors to Earth instead of going down in flames fighting the Cylons.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 6, 2008 5:49 AM

EricD - you'll notice that you mention four shows on the list that you think are truly undeserving of being there, before listing 7-10 that you think are unforgiveable omissions. Does the mathematical discrepancy here suggest to you that maybe, just maybe, it's actually kinda hard to narrow 20 years of television down to 20 shows, let alone individual seasons from each of those shows? Also bear in mind that some mediocre shows can have incredible seasons and be less impressive overall, while others are solid but rarely have seasons of pure gold. I don't agree with all their picks, but I do think that it's being foolish to expect every TV show that you like or that has received general critical acclaim to appear in a relatively short list, or to expect that there won't be a single season that doesn't appeal to you personally.

Posted by: Shay at August 6, 2008 5:53 AM

Dammit! Son of a bitch!

....Where was I?

Oh, yes.

FURTHER SPOILERS, GODS DAMMIT

All of these eplanations would be mighty acceptable....except for one thing

In the miniseries, there was a scene where Adama was plotting with Tigh and others on staying and fighting the Cylons instead of helping the survivors escape. He then looks at a couple talking about their relationship and making all kinds of cutesy remarks, and it reminds him that they need humanity to survive. Or as Roslin put it before "We need to start making babies".

That cute couple? Dee and Billy.

So, the way I see it, Dee and Billy were, in a way, responsible for the whole series existing. So to see such a pivotal couple, even if not by much, get totally shafted like that? Regardless of any contract disputes or what have you, that is just crappy.

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Posted by: Vermillion at August 6, 2008 5:58 AM

"Sarina: Actually, I'd say Athena's had a worse time of it than Starbuck."

Uh, dude? That's exactly what I said. Well, I guess not literally exactly. What I said, precisely, in re: Starbuck was, "Her life sucks almost as much as Sharon's..."

Which, you know, I had ridiculously assumed would be interpreted to mean that Sharon's life sucks more. I can totally see how one would derive the complete opposite of that, however. My words were terribly confusing, what with being in English and all. Some of them even had two syllables! Maybe if I weren't such a lazy, selfish bitch, I'd think of others and use pictograms.

Posted by: Sarina at August 6, 2008 6:00 AM

EricD, you're thinking of Sirkickyass, who has either mellowed the hell out, or finally tired of giving the same rant over and over. (Did he even make an appearance in the Viewer's Choice thread?). Most certainly not lordhelmet.

Also, even if you personally disagree with some of the selections (after all, it's not "EricD's 20 Favourite Shows of the Last 20 Years," nor are they meaux's 20 favourite shows--in fact, I've only watched a small fraction of them) you've got to admire the thought that goes in to defending each and every one of them, yes?

Posted by: MO(meaux) at August 6, 2008 7:31 AM

Ooh, thank you!

I'm only a fairly recent convert to wondrously intense Battlestar Verse, but it hasn't disappointed me yet!

Well, apart from Tigh still being alive.

I frakking HATE that guy.

Posted by: Cookie at August 6, 2008 7:46 AM

I fall into the category of hating sci-fi in general, but loving BSG. It took my boyfriend a solid year to convince me to give it a chance. I had to promise I would watch the entire mini-series, and then I could stop if I wanted. Which is kind of like saying, "Just try this one bag of heroin, and then you can stop if you want."

I have never simultaneously loved and hated a character so much as I do Gaius Baltar. And Six is uh-ma-zing. Wow.

Posted by: christine at August 6, 2008 9:42 AM

(Did he even make an appearance in the Viewer's Choice thread?)

I vaguely recall him popping up long enough to express disgust at the various unworthy, shallow, artistically empty choices we were making before crawling back under the rock. I shed a single tear and got back to cheering on the spy show about the girl with all the wigs and the crazy evil Russian mom and the immortality juice and the clones and the stupid bitch from Home and Away and the...oh, right. This is what he meant, isn't it?

Posted by: Shay at August 6, 2008 10:08 AM

Hmmm. I actually prefer the second season, mainly because they finally gave Caprica Six a break and Tricia Helfer something else to do. Man I got tired of her schtick.

Tigh's a jerk, but I don't hate him. Roslin I do, and I think a fair amount is just Mary McDonnell's fault. Her face naturally seems to have this sad look to it a lot, especially when Roslin gets in her self-pity moods, which are then undercut by the condescending tyrant mode (plus a good part of the time she's not even right). I'm always happy when Adama calls her shit, even if he doesn't do it enough.

Posted by: Jay at August 6, 2008 10:35 AM

as someone who is trying to get through BSG but has never really gotten into it (despite all my best efforts), i am at a bit of a loss as to why there is so much fan love and how this could possibly deserve recognition as the best 20 in 20. everyone i know loves this show. clearly people on this site love this show (i skipped most of the above comments b/c of the spoilers, but the overall tone seemed to highlight a love for the show and a lusty lovefest for cylon and human alike). but i completely and totally do not get it. at all. the acting is subpar, the dialogue is clunky and melodramatic, the take home messages and characterizations are repeated ad neauseum in case you somehow missed them the first zillion times, random episodes offer often fumbling commentaries on social issues but fail to contribute to the larger story arc or provide any greater depth to the characters. i could go on but i fear the onslaught if people do indeed read past comment 93... i get it in principle. but in execution, i'm at a loss.

Posted by: aprileee at August 6, 2008 10:59 AM

oops, yeah sirkicky not helmethead.

Shay, its not that any of the ones I listed are unforgiveable omissions, other then The Sopranos of course. It's that each of them are better then the four included shows. I know better is subjective. But freaking "Farscape" and BSG?

JonTo be honest I have never caught an episode of "Homicide: Life on the Streets". Based on what a lot of people have said I think I am going to have to correct that. I never really cared for "Frasier" though. Something about the guy just makes me want to put a foot through his face.

Posted by: EricD at August 6, 2008 11:24 AM

EricD, just who are you? How do you know I have helmethead? Is it possible to have helmethead without even removing my helmet? Cause I can assure you, my helmet is fully on every time I come here. Oh, and that's lordhelmet to you, btw.

meaux, thanks for clearing things up while I was gone getting my Dome of Darkness polished.

Vermillion you seem to have put much thought into various scenarios on this show - do you visit the fansites to discuss conspiracies and twists or is this all your own pondering? Either way, that's some impressive reasoning.

Posted by: lordhelmet at August 6, 2008 12:11 PM

Awesome choice! Very deserving. Love it love it! I've got season three ready to go on dvd, but I've been so busy and I'm trying to find a free block of a majillion hours in a row, in which to watch the entire thing uninterrupted. :)

Posted by: Loob at August 6, 2008 12:15 PM

"Seriously, is this a show about robots and stuff? Didn't the original have a robot dog? That would certainly make me watch this. Robot animals are soo adorable!
Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 5, 2008 1:21 PM"

Skitt, I still have that dog! Damn, that thing is probly worth something. It may have cost me 5 bux when I was like nine years old.
But it also spent some time on the bottom of my pool with the bendy Close Encounters Alien dolls. Those things were cool, they had real-looking eyes that came in blue or brown.

Posted by: Loob at August 6, 2008 12:32 PM

Vermillion you seem to have put much thought into various scenarios on this show - do you visit the fansites to discuss conspiracies and twists or is this all your own pondering? Either way, that's some impressive reasoning.

Sadly, it is all me.

And even weirder, I don't even consider myself that much of a fanboy of anything. I am more than willing to discuss the weaknesses of stuff I like, and I rarely go out of my way to track down fellow fans.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 6, 2008 12:47 PM

Sadly, it is all me.

Fixed that for you. Good on you for being so honestly analytical. Any thoughts on the spinoff Caprica coming up then?

Posted by: lordhelmet at August 6, 2008 12:58 PM

SPOILER

Megbon: I don't know if Helo could be the final Cylon..then that would mean that Hera is 100% Cylon...??? I just blew my own mind!

Anyways, I love this show. For a while I was staying with my sister and she would always come in the room and be "doing something" until someone on the show said frak and my sister would look at me and call me names. Every. Time. Yes I am a dork. I admit that freely. But at least I'm not alone. FRAK YES!

Posted by: lyricalcatt at August 6, 2008 1:00 PM

Sirkicky, lord of the helmet, you have my most humble and sincere ... um thing that's exactly not unlike an apology isn't. Honestly, I don't know why I mixed your name up other then laziness on my part. And old age, they say memory is the second thing to go.

Posted by: EricD at August 6, 2008 2:54 PM

That number six is one mother I'd like to milf...

Posted by: mark at August 6, 2008 3:03 PM

As someone who has never seen BSG but heard fantastic things, I would definitely like to pick up the DVDs to rectify the situation.

So from what I gather, I should watch the miniseries first, then start with Season 1? Do I have that right? Is there anything else I should know before starting (in terms of the order of things I mean)?

Posted by: jennybean at August 6, 2008 4:46 PM

jennybean: It's all linear, so I'd recommend starting with the Miniseries to acquaint yourself with the characters and aspects of the story from the beginning. But there are those who have started in the middle and still like it, so it's up to you. I prefer watching it in order, as it's one continuous storyline.

Posted by: vic at August 6, 2008 4:53 PM

That's how I usually like to watch things too Vic, thanks for the heads up :)

Posted by: jennybean at August 6, 2008 8:49 PM

Some SPOILERS follow...


Why do people love BSG?

Speaking for the sci-fi dorks out there... We love it because Star Trek was so lame. We love it because of the shame that was Seaquest DSV and Earth Two. We love it because of The Mansquito.

We love it because the genre of Science Fiction is so polluted with eye and soul-cancer inducing crap, that BSG stands up as something else...something we're not used to. Something good.

For those of us willing to accept robot girls and resurrection ships and magic arrows and prophecies, it's great to also be able to experience...

The glory of Baltar's self delusion.
The horror of genocide.
The claustrophobia and fear of "33".
The shock of the Season 1 finale.
The uncertainty of anyone's survival.

The entire show is summed up by Athena's words to Adama during the Resurrection Ship episode: "You said that humanity never asked itself why it deserved to survive. Maybe you don't."

The honesty of it all. Warts and all.

Posted by: pktechguy at August 6, 2008 9:49 PM

Sarina? Stop being a cow. I misread your sentence. And if you took my suggestions to be me ranting at you (I'm guessing that's why I got such a charming response?) then I'm not the only one who needs better contacts. And if you didn't take my suggestions the wrong way and just decided to be a snotty bitch? Suck it, broad. You ain't that witty.

Posted by: Jon at August 7, 2008 2:40 AM

Been on vacation and am arriving to the party too late to make any difference. In a move that shocks no one, I vehemently disagree with this selection. I just needed it on the record.

Posted by: Sirkickyass at August 7, 2008 2:46 AM

The entire show is summed up by Athena's words to Adama during the Resurrection Ship episode: "You said that humanity never asked itself why it deserved to survive. Maybe you don't."

But, as has been pointed out by others before, no Cylon can claim the moral high ground in this war. Seriously, look at some criticism for the show from real sci-fi fans (like over at "Asking the Wrong Questions") before you give it unqualified praise.

Posted by: Todd at August 7, 2008 10:24 AM

"BSG stands up as something else...something we're not used to. Something good."

No it doesn't. It's as meh as the majority of tv drama out there.

I'm no LOST fanboy, but I do feel that it sets the bar for tv sci-fi/drama. A comparison:

LOST is exciting and interesting. It has good characterisation, interesting plotlines, and great settings.

BSG is boring and predictable. It has flat, two-dimensional characterisation, plodding plotlines, and a tired setting.

I dont hate BSG - like I said, I've given it chances but it has failed to wow me - but there are many shows that deserved to be here more than it. Seinfeld, for one. Oz, for another.

Posted by: Ben (The Harry Potter-Bashing Troll) at August 8, 2008 2:25 AM

Call me an optimist, but I'm still holding out for more Buffy to go on this list.

Posted by: popejenn at August 9, 2008 2:34 AM

But, as has been pointed out by others before, no Cylon can claim the moral high ground in this war. Seriously, look at some criticism for the show from real sci-fi fans (like over at "Asking the Wrong Questions") before you give it unqualified praise.

I don't think anyone is saying the Cylons have the moral high ground here. Just the opposite really: The fact that neither side is painted all rosy and righteous is part of the appeal.

I suspect the only reason the audience roots for humanity is because we are used to it. We want them to live simply because they are humans, and humans have to survive, especially in sci-fi. It is only in those few and far between moments that BSG ever shows that maybe a few of them are worth keeping a bit longer.

I'm no LOST fanboy, but I do feel that it sets the bar for tv sci-fi/drama.

BSG is boring and predictable. It has flat, two-dimensional characterisation, plodding plotlines, and a tired setting....I dont hate BSG....

Ben (THPBT) Those lines have inherent contradictions. If you feel it is that good, guess what? You are a LOST fan. If you feel that way about BSG, that pretty much means you hate it.

I mean, it is perfectly alright. Different strokes for different folks and all. You don't have to qualify your opinion.

As far as your points, funnily enough, your criticisms of BSG almost match entirely with my opinion of LOST.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 9, 2008 8:10 AM

Todd (and others since then, I'm a little late to the party), I am so with you. I LOVE sci-fi, and I find this show shockingly mediocre - all the more so because it has such a cult following. I gave it such a chance (I sat through the whole series), and I enjoyed the first couple of episodes; but soon I soon I found myself underwhelmed by the half-assed efforts of the writers and annoyed by the antics of the ridiculous characters and by numerous other aspects of the show that I can't even articulate. How is it that I watched Firefly with delicious pleasure, but find BSG such a trial? Is it that I find every character on BSG utterly unsympathetic? that I can't stand the word 'frak'? That the plot twists are so ad hoc? That starbuck is so fucking annoying? I don't know. But I am pleasantly surprised to find that I am not alone with my low opinion of BSG.

Posted by: Cayce at August 9, 2008 11:20 PM

I don't think anyone is saying the Cylons have the moral high ground here. Just the opposite really: The fact that neither side is painted all rosy and righteous is part of the appeal.

I was specifically responding to Athena's comment in the episode mentioned. Adama really should have come back with, "Well if we don't deserve to survive, then you sure as hell don't either."

And thanks, Cayce.

Posted by: Todd at August 11, 2008 11:48 AM

I am a huge fan of BSG but it owes a great deal to another great science fiction series (the first serialized drama in America that really made a splash, despite being in syndication) Babylon 5. The third season of Babylon 5 is worth watching time and again because the payoff of the first two years of plot lines start to bear fruit. Any fan of BSG needs to check out B5.

Posted by: Nicholas King at August 19, 2008 11:55 PM