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Jan. 5, 2008
To: John Williams, Dustin Rowles

Guys (I’m running out of ways to address us) —

Lots of good things going on. I like how we all seem to be arriving at slightly different places when it comes to the best films of the year, or at any rate our favorites. Anyone who says film and art are purely subjective is fooling themselves, but conversations like this one highlight the interesting tension between objective good in art and how that gets filtered through our respective individual worldviews. For instance, I can see Lars and the Real Girl and love it and rank it as one of the best films of the year, but I also know that well-told stories about awkward men in their twenties are going to necessarily resonate with me more than others.

Before I forget: John, I see where you’re coming from on Into the Wild, and I definitely don’t think of McCandless as a spoiled brat, and hopefully never used the phrase or anything close to it. I think it was a good film, but felt like a horror flick in a way: You’re strapped to a chair for two and a half hours, begging McCandless to hurry up and find the migratory salvation he needs before he dies. Maybe it’s because I’ve got a kid sister, but I couldn’t imagine cutting myself off like that from the only person/people who loved me just to find myself. Damn, did I hurt for that kid. I’m also with you on Pixar productions; it seems that their films keep getting better every year. Do you think Wall-E will be able to live up to Ratatouille?

On another note: It’s been 24 hours since I saw There Will Be Blood, and I still can’t get it out of my head. I grew up on the few films P.T. Anderson put out while I was in high school, including Magnolia, which came out in the magic year of 1999 that I mentioned last time. So maybe it’s only fitting that Anderson’s next masterpiece would come in a year so stocked with wonderful films and amazing performances. Daniel Day-Lewis in Anderson’s film; Tommy Lee Jones, Javier Bardem, and a surprisingly affecting turn by Josh Brolin in No Country for Old Men; Ryan Gosling in Lars and the Real Girl; Ellen Page in Juno; and on and on. This seemed a banner year for individual performances. I second Dustin’s love for Philip Seymour Hoffman in Charlie Wilson’s War, which without him would have just been a decent but predictable non-drama.

bournemug.jpgAnyway: Dustin, as for films that fell outside of awards season, I have to wholeheartedly echo your vote for The Bourne Ultimatum as the most awesome film of the year. I don’t think I caught my breath until the credits rolled. I still have a soft spot for Doug Liman’s film that kicked off the series, but Paul Greengrass has, with The Bourne Supremacy and The Bourne Ultimatum, made two of the best action flicks of the past decade, no question. And I’m with you, too, on Zodiac, which was an effective combination of psychological thriller and reporter’s crusade. I also think The Darjeeling Limited is getting unfairly passed over, considering it’s the best film Wes Anderson has made since The Royal Tenenbaums; the same goes for Danny Boyle’s Sunshine, which was hard sci-fi at its trippy best, and The TV Set, a fantastic inside baseball look at selling out for your art. Also, despite the series’ age, The Simpsons Movie was a good, if not great, animated comedy, and a reminder of just how influential the show has been.

So, we all seem to think it was a good year for movies, but what does that mean going forward? Do you think 2008 will hold another crop of wonders, or are we doomed to only cyclically find such joy at the multiplex and art house? I’m tempted to think the number of quality films this year was slightly more fluke than planned. There’s so much crowding at the theater now that the law of averages would almost have to insist that more of them would be better. But I also don’t want us to forget the number of sequels and threequels we had to stomach this year — the woefully disappointing Spider-Man 3, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End, Shrek the Third, etc. — or the fact that the U.S. film industry has been putting out a couple dozen sequels every year for the past few years. There are currently 16 sequels scheduled for 2008 release, and that’s a drop. What can that mean? Are we doomed to live in a society where mainstream cinema increasingly runs out of ideas and simply squirts out retreads and remakes? Then again, am I being overly dramatic? This summer brings Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight, the mere mention of which sends me into girlish squeals. Are sequels even necessarily bad? Let me hear it.

A few parting notes before I sign off and hand this over to you two: John, you should know that Atonement is a good movie, but can never compare to the experience of reading the book, which blew me away and made me suddenly obsessed with Ian McEwan. Dustin: I disagree with you about the ending of No Country for Old Men — I found it haunting, and sad, and abrupt in a perfect way — but we’re on the same page about the rest of the film. Also, I promise not to make fun of you for wearing Nirvana T-shirts.

Dan

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Jan. 8, 2008
To: Dustin Rowles, Daniel Carlson

D&D,

To quickly address Dan’s direct questions: You never used “spoiled brat” about McCandless. I thought your take on the movie (and him) was fair. And like you, I certainly can’t relate to him on a specific level — in addition to loving my family far too much to cut myself off from them, I’m about as outdoorsy as Frasier Crane. I greatly enjoy being near nature, but I’ll sleep in a bed, thank you very much. As for Wall-E, I’ll see it, but I’ll be surprised if it lives up to Ratatouille, only because I think that’s probably the studio’s best work.

I haven’t been as thorough as you two in my box-office consumption. Zodiac is next up on my Netflix queue, and I’m excited about it. I tend to like David Fincher’s movies, and I kept meaning to see this one in the theater and kept managing not to for some reason. I didn’t see The Bourne Ultimatum on purpose. I liked the first entry in the series, but I’m a strong opponent of the ADD editing technique for reasons both aesthetic (it’s ugly) and physical (it makes me nauseous).

hoaxmug.jpgI’m not ready to say that the highlights of 2007 portend equally strong moments in 2008. At best, that would be strained optimism; at worst, a jinx. While I avoided, out of some combination of snobbishness and exhaustion, the mega-stinkers like the third Spider-Man, the nineteenth Shrek, and anything based on an amusement park ride that also involves Johnny Depp as a scenery-chewing pirate, I’m sure that dozens of the same are in the pipeline. What I did see a lot more of this year — thanks almost entirely to assignments for Pajiba — is a certain kind of serviceable mainstream project that falls between the tie-in landfills and the indie universe. I’m thinking of movies like Breaking and Entering, Catch and Release, The Hoax. These movies varied in quality, but they all represent a type that I’d stopped bothering with a long time ago. I’m glad I rediscovered the genre, because occasionally an example of it would step up and really surprise me — like The Jane Austen Book Club, which wasn’t brilliant, but was ten times better than I expected it to be.

Breach is another from that middle-of-the-road category, and Dan, I can’t applaud the whole thing the way you do. Cooper was fantastic (deserving of an Oscar nomination), but I found the rest of it limp and forgettable. It makes for an interesting contrast to Michael Clayton, actually, which I think is getting underrated around here. Even though Breach was based on a true story, Clayton felt more genuinely suspenseful. And whereas Cooper was working opposite the (to put it charitably) underwhelming Ryan Phillippe, George Clooney as Clayton was surrounded with terrific work by Tom Wilkinson, Tilda Swinton, Sydney Pollack, etc.

With apologies for the laundry lists (utilized to keep this from spinning out of control):

My best actors of ‘07 would come down to Clooney in Michael Clayton, Cooper in Breach, Emile Hirsch in Into the Wild, Hoffman in Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead, Irfan Khan in The Namesake, Josh Brolin in No Country, and Mathieu Amalric in The Diving Bell and the Butterfly. The best supporting work I saw was done by Alfred Molina in The Hoax, Adrien Brody in The Darjeeling Limited, Tom Wilkinson in Clayton, Tommy Lee Jones in No Country, Ken Marino in Diggers, and — the best, in my opinion — Hal Holbrook in Into the Wild.

It’s true that there’s still a gender gap in quality roles, but several leading and supporting actresses did stellar work this year: Cate Blanchett in I’m Not There, Laura Linney in The Savages, Catherine Keener in Into the Wild, the ensemble of The Jane Austen Book Club, Tabu in The Namesake, Ellen Page in Juno, Lauren Ambrose in Starting Out in the Evening.

With that, I’ll stop rambling about ‘07 and wish everyone a happy — and cinematically rewarding — new year.

Best,
John

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Jan. 8, 2008
To: Daniel Carlson, John Williams

John and Daniel —

grindwrap.jpgI think with the Pajiba lists and the roundtable, we’ve managed to hit most of the highlights of 2007, though there are a few more movies that are worth a mention before we move onto 2008. 3:10 to Yuma, for instance, was the best Western I’ve seen in years (I didn’t manage to see The Assassination of Jesse James) — Christian Bale, apparently, can do no wrong, as the little-seen Rescue Dawn doubly suggests (and Dan’s fine reviews validate both those mentions). I couldn’t believe the relatively poor box-office reception that Hot Fuzz and Grindhouse received; Bourne aside, those two theatergoing experiences were the most fun I had in a movie theater all year. I don’t know what it means going ahead that a Tarantino film bombed so spectacularly, except that it seems apparent that audiences are no longer that excited about self-referential works or wink-wink filmmaking. Fortunately, the box-office success of Juno has restored my faith that independent films still have a shot in the marketplace (among 2007’s top 50 films, Juno is the only film that didn’t come out of either a major studio or Lionsgate). Among “family films,” both Bridge to Terabithia and Enchanted deserve some mention, as being the best in that category aside from Ratatouille. However, it wasn’t a very good year for horror movies at all (The Number 23? Ugh), but 1408 was an excellent, terrifying flick that stood above the rest. I’d also like to note that Disturbia was a fine film for what it was: A fun, throwaway thriller.

Moreover, it was a terrible year if you had a movie with an anti-war message, and it didn’t matter how good the movie was: The documentary No End in Sight was a devastating, damning attack on the administration’s handling of the war; Grace Is Gone was a touching, emotionally heavy look at the toll the war has taken on individual families; and, as much as it pains me to admit it, Paul Haggis’ In the Valley of Elah was pretty good, mostly because of Tommy Lee Jones’ performance, which was borderline mind-blowing (if you liked his No Country character, his Elah character is similar, only he gets four times more screen time). Unfortunately, those three films (as well as the decent Rendition) all failed to make a mark in 2007.

And picking up on your question, Dan — it’s hard to look too far into 2008, but the summer crop of films looks damn right painful: Aside from a few choice event movies — Wall-E (which comes from the Finding Nemo writer/director, so I have high hopes), The Dark Knight, Indy IV and maybe Iron Man — the slate looks positively wretched: Speed Racer, Sex and the City, What Happens in Vegas, The Incredible Hulk 2, Starship Dave (Eddie Murphy), The Love Guru (Mike Myers), Space Chimps, and yet another M. Night movie. And, of course, there are three more Scarlett Johansson films and four more Nicolas Cage movies. It’s hard to believe that the writers’ strike hasn’t really affected the studios yet.

Finally, the Apatow uprising looks like it’s gonna take over Hollywood in 2008; Apatow has four films in the works, Seth Rogen is in five, and the rest of his regulars will be peppered all over this year’s schedule. And while I expect they won’t all be good, I still don’t get the sudden Apatow fatigue. I can see how John, as well as many of our illustrious readers, can quibble with his lack of depth, but I think he’s being held to too high a standard. He makes comedies, and until Apatow came along, 80 percent of the marquee comedies over the last few years involved Ben Stiller, Adam Sandler, Jack Black, or molested pastries. In 2006, I doubt there were a lot of debates about how females were depicted, how realistic the relationships felt, or how relatable the characters were, and as uncomfortable as the Superbad and Knocked Up comment threads on our site got, it was refreshing in a way to see that much conversation about a comedy. Comedies are about something again, and I think that we have Apatow to thank for that.

This was a lot of fun, guys. Thanks to you two, as well as the rest of the Pajiba writers, for another year of great reviews, and to our readers for indulging us. It’s been a real pleasure working with everyone involved with Pajiba in 2007, and Happy Bitching in 2008.

Cheers,
Dustin


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Comments

Anyone who doesn't accept the Bourne Ultimatum as the best action flick in the last 10 years should be beaten to death with an original edition tome of Don Quixote.

"...Finally, the Apatow uprising looks like it's gonna take over Hollywood in 2008; Apatow has four films in the works, Seth Rogen is in five, and the rest of his regulars will be peppered all over this year's schedule...."

File Under: Be careful what you wish for...

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 10, 2008 8:10 AM

I agree with most of what you said so I just want to address this one thing. The Apatow fatigue. Apatow can definitely be funny. He sets up an interesting premise and then begins the hero's journey. My problem with Apatow - and thus my fatigue already - is that, you're right, there is no depth. He touches on it, but seems afraid he'll lose the 13 year old demographic if he pursues it. Caddyshack has more depth. Plus all the sophomoric humor. Clearly he is capable of more than that. In Superbad do we really need to watch some fat kid say bad words. Not hilarious.

Also, (last thing) I'm sure it does happen because sitcom's show us how plausible it is in real life, but I can't get past the overweight, unattractive, childish bozo getting the super hot babe time and again just because he's in the right place at the right time. It's just not going to happen no matter how cute or funny he might be. A girl's always going to trade up.

Posted by: duane at January 10, 2008 8:15 AM

Another well thought out and brilliantly pitched piece of critique boys, don't make a habit out of it m'kay? Good God, I might have to start thinking of you as intellectuals (not that I don't already *ahem*).

I saw 3:10 to Yuma for the first time last night and I'm surprised to say that I thoroughly enjoyed it. The Western is a genre that's always left me cold (see also: "War movies") but my pervasive love for both Bale and Crowe (not to mention the presence of Wash, what? He doesn't have a real name, ok?) led me to watching. Not something I'd watch again in a hurry (I think it probably needs the standard five year settle time) but I would recommend it to others.

The great thing about these roundtables is that we get to rehash all the same arguments we had in the original comments threads... I'm not saying that sarcastically in any way. It's nice to hear the arguments again with more thought behind them and tempered by the general public's over all reaction to the movies we're discussing.

I'm looking forwards to the Apatow offerings, I tend to find him fairly hit and miss so more films = more that I'll end up liking, statistically speaking.

Posted by: Alex the Odd at January 10, 2008 8:16 AM

I love westerns. I am obsessed with westerns. Alex, check out The Proposition.

But I came here to comment on something John said, something that makes me a little embarrassed; I like Catch and Release. I saw it in the theaters, hated it, but on repeated viewings, it has grown on me. It might have something to do with Olyphant's hotness, but Kevin Smith is truly funny in that flick.

OK, gotta shower and run, I mean RUN, to work.

Posted by: Rachael at January 10, 2008 8:23 AM

I love westerns. I am obsessed with westerns. Alex, check out The Proposition.
Posted by: Rachael at January 10, 2008 8:23 AM

That's the real gritty one set in... Australia?

I remember expecting and then I just plum forgot about it. Thanks for reminding me

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 10, 2008 8:27 AM

Now John, I believe that you are being overly self-critical. I refuse to believe that you have the effect on others of making them nauseated and further refuse to believe that watching The Bourne Ultimatum could change your visage sufficiently to make it so. As I have posted previously, watching the overly frenetic camerawork in BU made all my siblings nauseated but I am sure that was a passing condition and did not change our character to make us nauseous.

I apologize for the snark but the misuse of nauseous (having a nauseating effect) in place of nauseated (physical effect(s) of a nauseating agent) is one of my personal trinity of grammar/logic abortions (i.e., killing a potentially correct thought while not yet fully formed). The others are: use of the internally nonsensical term "irregardless"; and, using the phrase "beg the question" when one means "suggests another issue rather than containing the conclusion in the premise". But, as you can see, I practice the minority rule regarding punctuation with quotation marks. The Chicago Manual of Style and few others (e.g., The London Times) still regard it as the preferred rule but the default rule has been dumbed-down to always enclosing the punctuation within the terminal quotation mark irrespective of whether the quote is a complete thought or merely a phrase.

So, carry on and I will return to read the rest of your year-end critique.

Posted by: rudy at January 10, 2008 8:28 AM

Incredible Hulk as a painful movie? Edward Norton, Liv Tyler, William Hurt, and Tim Roth, directed by Louis Leterrier! That is going to be a mind-blowing popcorn blockbuster. Not as big as Iron Man, but it has to be better than Spider-Man 3.

HULK SMASH!

Posted by: Snath at January 10, 2008 8:53 AM

Do you think Wall-E will be able to live up to Ratatouille?

Concieved at the same time as the rest of their best movies (Monsters, Inc, Bug's Life, Finding Nemo) by the original creative team?

If this one sucks, it's only because somebody really worked hard to make it suck.

Posted by: twig at January 10, 2008 9:08 AM

I don't know what it means going ahead that a Tarantino film bombed so spectacularly, except that it seems apparent that audiences are no longer that excited about self-referential works or wink-wink filmmaking.

If I remember right, Grindhouse opened on a bad weekend, like Easter weekend or something. Not exactly the right moment for girls with machine-gun limbs to fight zombies.

Posted by: twig at January 10, 2008 9:12 AM

So glad you mentioned 3:10 to Yuma. Mr. Kolby & I both loved it at the theatre, and it hasn't received much mention lately since the late crop of Oscar hopefuls came out. Christian Bale and Russell Crowe worked amazingly off each other.

It's been a week since I saw Juno, and I'm still feeling so damn good about it. I may have to see it again, soon.

And the trailer for Wall-E makes me cry. I just know I'll be a blubbering mess when that is released in theatres. I'll start stocking up on Kleenex now.

Posted by: Kolby at January 10, 2008 9:30 AM

Grindhouse was the only film I watched in theatres three times. I was so hoping it would do well enough for the two of them to make another grindhouse-style flick.

I think the future year in movies is going to be like any other year; a lot of big, vapid blockbusters intermixed with some gems and a few surprises. Certainly many of the above (The Dark Knight makes me squeal like a schoolgirl too...which draws some really strange looks from my friends) look so good as to be mind-blowing....while others look to be trying hard to be craptastic. (Speed Racer? Are they kidding us? Is the movie gonna stop ten minutes in, the director appears on the screen and says 'I'm sorry, folks, we couldn't go through with it. You may file out now and your money will be refunded to you...')

In all fairness....I was not able to see many of the great movies this year...having been dragged to see the VBBs (vapid blockbusters)...although I have to say Transformers didn't disappoint like I expected. I hope to catch myself back up this year, especially while the VBB theatres are packed full to bursting, and I will definately be using this site as a checklist to consult when looking at the showings.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at January 10, 2008 9:32 AM

Space Chimps? REALLY?!!

Good grief....

Posted by: MO at January 10, 2008 9:40 AM

That is an interesting viewpoint on Apatow's films: that so many people had such strong feelings about a comedy not being realistic, whereas "real life" is often exaggerated really shows how effective and transcendent they are. I can't say many people were ranting "that's so sexist" when American Pie and its ilk were puling the roost, and it is weird to see him being vilified for doing the same, only ten times funnier.

And you have to remember, he is pretty much the only option in a world where people are still paying to attend Eddie Murphy movies. So don't jinx it, or he might go away, and then what are you gonna do?

Space Chimps? Seriously? Did I miss something? Pigs in Space I could understand, but CHIMPS?

Posted by: Vermillion at January 10, 2008 9:42 AM

...it was refreshing in a way to see that much conversation about a comedy. Comedies are about something again, and I think that we have Apatow to thank for that.

This had not occurred to me, but you're absolutely right about that. I look forward to enjoying more think-y comedies in 2008!

Posted by: Jerce at January 10, 2008 9:46 AM

Ok, I FINALLY just saw No Country for Old Men last night, and absolutely loved it. The SECOND the credits rolled though, this girl behind me goes "WHAT THE F---! That was the GAYEST f---ing ending I've ever seen. Gawd." And got up and stormed out. I was BOILING. Absolutely no time to let it sink in, digest, and some girl is comPLETEly ruining it for the entire theater. I could have run over her in the parking lot.

BUT, that's how totally into it I was. I haven't read that particular novel just yet, but I devoured several of his other novels, and while I thought they did an excellent job bringing that style to the screen, that last little bit was EXACTLY what I love about McCarthy's writing. And right in the middle of savoring my last bite of cinematic fillet mignon, somebody goes and dumps gas station frito pie all over it.

Posted by: Abbey Road at January 10, 2008 9:46 AM

I think "Grindhouse"'s failure had a lot to do with the torture-porn backlash that was growing rapidly at that point. The previews made it look ultra-violent and people stayed away. Besides, those kind of films are niche anyway, why did they think it would be a blockbuster? Also, it wasn't all that good. "Slither" was 100 times better than "Terror Planet" and no one saw that one either unfortunately.

Posted by: Rob at January 10, 2008 9:55 AM

I'm so glad 3:10 to Yuma got a little love. I'll be getting the DVD very soon so I can enjoy repeated viewings. I really liked Bourne U, but the quick cuts & shaky camera got very annoying very quickly. For me it detracted from what would otherwise been a near perfect action movie.

I too am surprised Grindhouse flopped so badly. While I really, really wish Tarantino would stop acting in his movies, Grindhouse was just so much FUN. As someone mentioned after Part One of the Roundtable, the crowd I was with cheered & clapped & was genuinely into the movie as well as the very excellent faux trailers. I'm curious to see if I still enjoy the movies as much when I watch them on DVD.

I also want to mention American Gangster. That movie had two excellent lead actors (plus a better-than-I'd-realized Josh Brolin) & a director whose work I usually enjoy and yet it was so meh. I find it fascinating, though, that the hype had crowned it an Oscar contender before it was even released, but now that award season is actually started, only Denzel's performance gets any mention at all.

Finally, I just want to say thanks to both the writers here and the folks who comment. I've discovered actors, films & books that I otherwise would have missed and I am only better for it.

Posted by: Smello at January 10, 2008 9:56 AM

I agree with Dustin about how quickly people seem to have gotten tired of Apatow. I feel like people are being too hard on his movies. How deep does a comedy reallY need to be? I am also sick of hearing people complain about Seth Rogen being unattractive and how he could never get with a beautiful woman. I happen to find him attractive even if he is over weight. his character in Knocked Up is kind, funny and he tries to get himself together, which is more than I can say for a lot of men. I think that is far better than some hot jerk or something. I don't think it is totally unreasonable to think that an attractive women would be with him. Also, it is a movie. I really don't think it has to be totally realistic.

Posted by: Erin at January 10, 2008 9:57 AM

Rudy: Thank you so much for that comment. I also stick to the traditional approach to punctuation as opposed to the dumbed down version. It makes so much more sense.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 10, 2008 10:07 AM

...snip..."Slither" was 100 times better than "Terror Planet" and no one saw that one either unfortunately.
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Posted by: Rob at January 10, 2008 9:55 AM

Ooh..I had forgotten about Slither. What a great movie. I never got he chance to see it in theatres, but was introduced to it via a friend's DVD purchase, and I'm proud to say I went out and bought it myself the next day. While I won't say it was better than Terror Planet (I'm sorry, but only Shoot Em Up's Mr. Smith was a more badass hero than El Rey), it was a fantastic movie...and as far as I'm concerned, Mal can do no wrong.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at January 10, 2008 10:19 AM

The problem I have with Apatow is that really I just don't think he's funny. When watching Knocked Up, the female characters where so insane that my roommate and I thought we where tripping. I had hoped his films would at least amuse me (and its not that I'm pretentious or anything, I loved the Kevin Smith comedies-probably to an unhealthy degree). I don't know, they just didn't make me laugh.

and Rob, I'm totally netflixing Slither now.

Posted by: mia at January 10, 2008 10:27 AM

I cannot wait for the site's review of Sex and the City. Who will be the (un)lucky person to have to suffer that trainwreck? I did watch the show, but that movie is going to be sooo bad.

Night is still making movies? Why? WHY???? Will someone please stop him? Sixth Sense = Good, Everything else he did = Bad. Signs was laughable.

I am eagerly anticipating The Dark Knight. Hee..

Wall-E I will wait until I can rent it because I am anti- theater full of screaming children and oblivious parents. Plus, people look at you funny if you are in a kids movie without them. It has happened to me before.

Posted by: Melody at January 10, 2008 10:34 AM

I finally watched Deathproof yesterday. At first it was difficult to get into. I was anticipating the carnage, but by the end I have to say the movie completely redeemed itself. In regards to Zodiac, I enjoyed it. But does anyone else agree with me, that it felt just a little too drawn out? I remember sitting there, feeling like 4 hours had passed by and the movie was about half way done.

Posted by: Jax at January 10, 2008 10:48 AM

Melody: Late night, mid week screeings were made for this! I saw Ratatouille at 11pm on a Tuesday. The theatre was empty aside from some girl who looked exactly like me (seriously, she even had the "sub-trendy yet obviously prescription so not that trendy really" black framed glasses) and a couple in their 40s.

It was sheer bliss. Seriously, it's the only way to watch kids' movies at the theatre unless you are actually shephearding a flock of small children in which case: good luck actually watching the bloody thing.

Also: My love for Slither is deep and unwavering. I love a good intentionally funny horror movie (almost as much as I love the unintentionally funny ones).

Posted by: Alex the Odd at January 10, 2008 10:59 AM

Surprised nobody has really tackled the sequel/threequel/etc. question. Here's my take on it: sequels are not inherently bad, but they're too often created for the wrong reasons. If the motivation behind putting out a sequel is a love of the characters and/or a love of the subject matter, then I say hoorah. One of the things that I love about television as opposed to a film (and I think this has been touched on before by one of the reviewers) is that you don't have to forget about the characters after 2-3 hours. You can keep rooting for them (or praying for thier untimely demise) week after week. A sequel is good for that as well. A sequel can also be especially helpful if the storyline is too dense and rich for one film (I'm thinking of the Lord of the Rings here). However, when the motivation for putting out a sequel is to cash in on something because it made some money the first time around, that is absolutely not okay in my book. That's lazy, that shows an inherent disrespect for the viewing public, and it just pisses me off to no end. The most heinous examples of this are movies like Cruel Intentions II (yes, it exists) that don't even have a new storyline. It's the same movies, but substitutes a bunch of pretty, no-talent assclowns for the generally solid cast of the first film. Why would you make something like that? What is the point?
I also think a problem with sequels is that they are churned out too quickly. It is absolutely true that actors grow up (The Harry Potter cast) and that the public's interest might be diminished over time. But that's no excuse to throw some half-assed piece of trash at us.
Aaaand that about sums up my feelings on the subject.

Posted by: tt_marie at January 10, 2008 11:02 AM

Rudy, only because I would never in a million years use irregardless, this is from the dictionary:

nau·seous
-adjective
1. affected with nausea; nauseated: to feel nauseous.

Your definitions are on there, too, but underneath the first one. There is this usage note, though:

'Traditional critics have insisted that nauseous is properly used only to mean "causing nausea" and that it is incorrect to use it to mean "affected with nausea," as in Roller coasters make me nauseous. In this example, nauseated is preferred by 72 percent of the Usage Panel. Curiously, though, 88 percent of the Panelists prefer using nauseating in the sentence The children looked a little green from too many candy apples and nauseating (not nauseous) rides.'

Posted by: JMW at January 10, 2008 11:05 AM

The problem with Apatow is overkill, like radio overplay. Sure, Ben Stiller shat into theatres with some comedy stinker once a year, but it was ONCE a year. Judd's dropped THREE in 2007. And he's assisting in the delivery of seventeen or so this year. It's saturation bombing, with his same five friends.

It's like radio a few years back. I enjoy the Killers, but when every fourth song is a Killers song, it gets repetitive and less enjoyable. Same with Apatow. It's not that he's not funny, and it's not that he's not talented. It's just that give me a chance to enjoy your banquet before you stuff the next course down my throat.

Posted by: insertclevernamehere at January 10, 2008 11:12 AM

I agree with Erin. I loved Seth Rogen's character in the movie. You see the progression he makes throughout the movie from the immature, pot-smoking slacker to a guy who is trying to pull his life together so he can create a family for the child that he did not plan on. And while he struggles to grow up, get a real job and find a place of his own, his friends stay right where they started. So like I said, I loved his character. He seemed genuine and sweet and like a really great guy. And that's a very good thing in my book.

Also, people who are making the argument that no beautiful, successful women would ever try to make it work with the one-night-stander who got her pregnant...well, I think that is ignorant. I know there are women out there who would put the birth of their child before a job and before their own desires.

I think Apatow is great. All the shit comedies of the recent past (think The Heartbreak Kid) can't hold a candle to what Apatow has been doing in my opinion. It's refreshing to see some comedies that are smart and hilarious and real and not pandering to a bunch of 15-year-olds.

Posted by: Drea at January 10, 2008 11:15 AM

I, myself, share the Apatow fatigue. Knocked Up just wasn't as funny as people say it is. Perhaps it was the fact that I seriously (heehee) dislike La Heigl. This next part is hard to articulate, but I will try anyway. I am not the most attractive man on the planet and I know that I can have any girl I want, but where are the Rogen-esque girls? I mean Nikki Blonsky may have been heavy, but she was still attractive. What can I say, I like a woman with some meat on her bones. And she did capture Link Larkin (but then again, it may well have a lesbian relationship since I am still in doubt about the fact that Zac Efron is male). But all asides, you know, aside, I would love to see the Apatow formula applied in reverse. Even with a bit of prognostification, one could tell that it may not do well, but the chance needs to be taken.

Posted by: ScarletKnight at January 10, 2008 11:21 AM

Surprised nobody has really tackled the sequel/threequel/etc. question. ...snip...Aaaand that about sums up my feelings on the subject.
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Posted by: tt_marie at January 10, 2008 11:02 AM

Amen. My sentiments exactly.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at January 10, 2008 11:21 AM

It's nice to see the small shout out to Disturbia, because as silly and unforgettable as it was, it was also a highly entertaining thriller due in no small part to the fact that Shia LeBouf can be so compelling onscreen. I know there's a bit of a backlash here for him, but I think he's just such a good little actor.

I can't wait for Wall-E, it really is astounding that Pixar has managed to maintain such quality through so many pictures...even those I like less than others (Cars, notably) are still so well-written.

I can't join in on the Apatow bashing...I love him until he gives me a reason not to, and Undeclared, Freaks and Geeks, and 40 YOV give him a free pass for a long time. I think he's hysterical, he has an ear for both witty AND hilariously vulgar dialogue and he manages to make me give a shit about his characters. Dustin's comment about him making comedies that are about something again was spot on.

Posted by: Julie at January 10, 2008 11:30 AM

Rachael, right ON with the westerns love. And The Proposition is one of my favorite movies right now, so get on that BSlim.

As for the roundtable, I'm so glad to see Darjeeling Limited getting some love. I loved Adrian Brody with Wes Anderson directing him, and he gave a solemn sweetness that contrasted beautifully with Jason and Owen's quirky, distracted characters.

So About Apatow: I loved Superbad. It had more heart than a lot of movies I've seen this year. I liked Knocked Up. Not as much heart, but certainly funny. It is by no means, in my humble opinion, one of the best films of the year. It's funny, and entertaining, but certainly not life altering.

Not like, say, Hot Fuzz. Glad to see that getting some love, too. My hands-down favorite comedy of the year. It made me re-watch Bad Boys II and Point Break, and I didn't think there was anything in the world short of a clockwork orange-type torture that could get me to watch those things again. Ahh, the buddy-cop genre.

Alex, I the first moment I saw the preview for Slither, I knew I was in love....but I still haven't seen it. Gotta get on that.

Posted by: boo at January 10, 2008 12:00 PM

Alex, long ago, I went to a Wednesday night at 9:00 p.m. showing of Toy Story 2. There were 5 families of at least 3 children in the theater. All of the parents kept staring at me and my friend (a male) that was with me to the point that it affected my ability to enjoy a very cute movie. I could hear some of the people making judgemental comments about my and another couple who were about the same age as I was at that time (21). It was very annoying and has put me off of seeing a children's movie in a theater for a long time.

I know that in theory that the idea of going to a 9:00 showing in the middle of the week during school time should be a child-free event, but not in this case. Maybe on of these days I will give a shot again, but probably not for a while.

Posted by: Melody at January 10, 2008 12:01 PM

That should have been myself instead of my. Sorry.

Posted by: Melody at January 10, 2008 12:03 PM

Boo! Get ON that. Slither is awesome. :)

Posted by: Julie at January 10, 2008 12:35 PM

Aye aye, Julie!

Oh, and Pajiba powers that be, let's have a "Best Buddy Cop Duo" comment diversion. Which could lead to a whole "Best Onscreen Duo" type thingy. Lovers (Grant and Hepburn! *le sigh*), fighters, siblings, blah blah blah.

Can you tell I'm reeeeeeally procrastinating my afternoon work right now??

Yeah.

Posted by: boo at January 10, 2008 1:00 PM

Ah, Hot Fuzz. Not as ridiculously awesome as Shaun of the Dead, but very enjoyable. And, yes, if you have not seen Slither, get on it. Today.

Why not more discussion of Eastern Promises? Viggo might be a whackadoo, but he is amazingly talented AND looks good naked.

Posted by: Smello at January 10, 2008 1:11 PM

My Netflix queue now has over 150 movies on it. I am completely overwhelmed with cinematic obligation. Thanks Pajiba- thanks a lot.

So, what the heck IS Wall-E? I saw the trailer before Juno this week and it confused me. It's a robot who lives alone on a planet filled with trash? Then a rocket comes and picks him up? Do we have more to go on than that? And why does he look exactly like #5 from Short Circuit??? Is Steve Gutenberg the captain of the ship that picks him up?

Posted by: Go Big Red at January 10, 2008 1:37 PM

You know, the first movie I can remember seeing in the theater was Pale Rider. I was 4. My parents were insane, obviously.

The point, however, is that I've always had a soft spot for westerns, and 3:10 really fit the bill. The person I was with commented on the fact that it was all a little unbelievable, saying that it smack of Bruce Willis syndrome, but the film, admirably, managed to maintain my own personal suspension of disbelief. And I think you may be right. Bale can do no wrong. At least not until he makes a Robocop sequel. Still all about him in a Nightmare on Elm Street origins story though.

Posted by: Smokin at January 10, 2008 1:44 PM

So happy to see the love for Hot Fuzz. I can't believe that it didn't do as well, because it was hilarious.

Posted by: Brie at January 10, 2008 1:47 PM

BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!

Posted by: Stella at January 10, 2008 1:51 PM

Wall-E (which comes from the Finding Nemo writer/director, so I have high hopes), The Dark Knight, Indy IV and maybe Iron Man

I would have stated it as follows: Wall-E, The Dark Knight, Iron Man, and maybe Indy IV.

I don't understand why Shia LeBeouf gets so much press for being the future of Hollywood when guys like Paul Dano are relatively unknown by the masses. Screw Shia LeDouche.

Posted by: Tanner at January 10, 2008 1:51 PM

of course.
Hot Fuzz.
film of the year, easily.

Posted by: nadine at January 10, 2008 1:55 PM

yes, Barbado, it's the one set in Australia, and it's fantastic. Just a simple premise well executed. And Nick Cave did the soundtrack, which is a little weird, but I liked it a lot.

Posted by: Rachael at January 10, 2008 1:55 PM

John, thanks for the Diving Bell and the Butterfly love.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at January 10, 2008 2:22 PM

Wasn't The Darjeeling Limited was off the table because of its late release? I was ready to include it on next year's list! I'm glad it was mentioned here anyway, same with The Namesake, which was also a great movie. I really appreciated the Indian scenery in both those movies, it made me want to scrap the almost cliché Thailand trip for an Indian adventure :)
Plus that slideshow scene in Darjeeling is probably one of my favorite scenes in a movie ever.

Posted by: Agente Provocatrice at January 10, 2008 2:49 PM

The most heinous examples of this are movies like Cruel Intentions II (yes, it exists) that don't even have a new storyline. It's the same movies, but substitutes a bunch of pretty, no-talent assclowns for the generally solid cast of the first film. Why would you make something like that? What is the point? - tt_marie

I think there's a Pajiba feature in here somewhere, actually - something about films such as Cruel Intentions, Wild Things and the like that don't exactly set the cinematic world on fire, but yet inspire several straight-to-DVD sequels rehashing the same plot regardless. There's got to be enough of them for a feature incorporating a suitable level of snark.

Posted by: Dill The Devil at January 10, 2008 3:13 PM

I think there's a Pajiba feature in here somewhere, actually - something about films such as Cruel Intentions, Wild Things and the like that don't exactly set the cinematic world on fire, but yet inspire several straight-to-DVD sequels rehashing the same plot regardless. There's got to be enough of them for a feature

But wouldn't that diversion just break down once the American Pie movies were brought in?

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at January 10, 2008 3:19 PM

Hmmm... fair point - maybe they could be the elephant in the room for that one.

Posted by: Dill The Devil at January 10, 2008 3:23 PM

Grant and Hepburn! *le sigh*

I agree, boo, although I'd rank Grant and Bergman higher. Talk about steamy-hot!

Posted by: pinkcheese at January 10, 2008 3:48 PM

Okay, I saw Grindhouse in the theatre, and I do admit that it was moderately fun (mostly because of the stunts and Kurt Russell) but can someone explain to me why it's okay, especially in this fairly female-friendly Pajiba universe, for Tarantino to so frequently and blatantly objectify women? Because they get to kill people, too? Because he's aware that he's doing it? Because it's a nod to other films that have done it? I'm sorry, but in my opinion, none of these reasons stand up, especially time after time, film after film. I just feel like that schtick, and Tarantino himself, have gotten so tired.

Posted by: MissMaddie at January 10, 2008 4:19 PM

This is going to sound pretentious but so be it. JMW, Your citation to an unnamed "dictionary" (Wikipedia perhaps? d/b/a "a confederacy of dunces") only shows that the dumbing down of grammar/logic is proceeding apace. Some so-called "educators" are now arguing for the permissible use of "text speak," e.g., U R [ ] IMO, in formal/business writing. That does not make it acceptable or even advisable.

And, since I am already astride the "high horse," Melody, the correct word is 'me' not 'myself'. An easy check is to reformulate the sentence without the conjunctive phrase to determine which word to use. It depends upon whether "you" are the subject or the object of the sentence. In any event, the reflexive 'myself' is never a correct substitute for 'me' or 'I' but has become the default term when the writer cannot determine the correct word.

Alright, total asshattery on my part but there are rules regarding correct usage even if they are rarely observed.

Posted by: rudy at January 10, 2008 4:51 PM

I personally love Shyamalan's movies. Some of them are better than others, and a lot of the endings fail the excellent build and character development that happened in the rest of the movie, but they're interesting. They make you talk about them. Everyone who sees them has an opinion, even if it does spring from the fact that they were disappointed in it. So my point is, I'm really excited about The Happening coming out this summer. Even if it's ridiculous, Night seems to get some great performances out of actors and I'll be pleased to see that.

Posted by: Kelsy at January 10, 2008 5:05 PM

Posted by: rudy at January 10, 2008 4:51 PM

Are you done.... MO..THER?

:)

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 10, 2008 5:15 PM

Just noticed I'm a dummy: "It's the same movies" is an excerpt from one of my comments (which I noticed because someone else copied it into thier comment). Sorry about that, all. That "s" shouldn't be there - should read "It's the same movie."

Posted by: tt_marie at January 10, 2008 5:16 PM

What about Eastern Promises, guys???

Posted by: Harlequin at January 10, 2008 5:19 PM

These are really not the reindeer games I usually play, but Rudy, I think you're less pretentious than wrong in this case. I agree that educators wanting text speak to be allowed in formal writing represent...everything that's wrong with the world. But the word "nauseous" instead of "nauseated"? Really? Since my "unnamed" dictionary (which was not Wikipedia) doesn't work for you, how about Merriam-Webster? Because there, my definition is #2, but there's also this note below:

"Those who insist that nauseous can properly be used only in sense 1 and that in sense 2 it is an error for nauseated are mistaken."

Clear enough?

Posted by: JMW at January 10, 2008 5:30 PM

Actually BS, I have gone into full Sister Mary Margaret grammar drag on another thread. Hey, at least I confessed to "total asshattery". Are you willing to give me absolution? What would be an appropriate penance? ;p

Posted by: rudy at January 10, 2008 5:34 PM

Write OMG one thousand times followed by five hundred w00ts (using the number "0" not letter "o" in proper "l337" usage).

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 10, 2008 5:51 PM

Ack! Rudy, I love a pedant, but I have to give you a wee dose of your own medicine: "alright" is not a word. It should be TWO words, all right? (One of my biggest pet peeves is "alot" instead of "a lot")

Sorry, pal; as you know, it's for the greater good! Grammar nazis unite!

Posted by: MO at January 10, 2008 5:51 PM

Anyone who says film and art are purely subjective is fooling themselves, but conversations like this one highlight the interesting tension between objective good in art and how that gets filtered through our respective individual worldviews.

I guess I can't add anything constructive after that. Only that it's so pleasant to read that sort of thing, something every critic -- movie, music, TV or otherwise -- should have in mind at all times. The whole conversation is pretty nice and reasonable the way it is now, I think I could only spoil it.

Here's just hoping most of the films discussed above get to my part of the world soon. Also, let me reiterate the hopes for a Pajiba (Sh)It List coming soon (and of course keeping the *great* tone from last year's)!

Posted by: gargumma at January 10, 2008 7:07 PM

the 3 movies that surprised me with their lack of buzz were " eastern promises"."3:10..." and " american gangster " ... let me include " namesake" while i am at it.a great discussion and a pretty good year with apatow the major point of discussion. let's see what his prolific 2008 holds. i will start the new year with fond thoughts of the recently viewed " juno " and an effort to see what dan ( and so many others ) saw in " there will be blood ". i will get past the preposterous final 15 minutes and concentrate on the rest of it. here's to a great 2008.

Posted by: snake at January 10, 2008 7:58 PM

MO-SES, So cool that you caught my (deliberately) improper introductory term to the admission of asshattery. You get extra credit, by jingo! If one breaks a rule, one should do so knowingly and zestfully.

Sorry JMW, but the willingness of M-W to be complicit in the corruption of language through sloth and repetition is inadequate to justify accepting what has been a clear distinction and long-standing usage. Grammar is not like other reindeer games such as learning Monopoly from your older brother, where the rules spontaneously shift based on personal preferences.

BS, I will willingly accept the penance but only if I get to tap it, FIRST. See, I am not so pop-culturally retarded. (Oh, why not stir that pot again?) Yup, I'm into this blog stuff on the Tubes. I'm down with that Snoopy Dog Dog.

Posted by: rudy at January 10, 2008 8:41 PM

Dustin, This has been puzzling me all day. Full disclosure: math is not my strong point (the running joke being if I had been better at TrigII I would have gone to Med school instead of law school). Regarding the "Apatow uprising" you state that he has "four films in the works, Seth Rogen is in five". How can Seth be in more movies than are in the works? Did you intend two independent thoughts and, therefore, to use a semi-colon instead of the comma? I'm confused, if not quite nauseated.

Posted by: rudy at January 10, 2008 8:50 PM

Rudy, you chafed at the "unnamed" dictionary. When confronted with a leading dictionary's unequivocal statement, you talk about a leading dictionary being "complicit in the corruption of language." I assume this means your only acceptable standard is Rudy. I credit you with guts, for real. Pardon me if I side with the many doctors I've heard, the highly educated and intelligent friends and teachers I've known, all of whom have used "nauseous" the way I did.

But really: Gutsy.

Posted by: JMW at January 10, 2008 9:03 PM

YAWN.

I'm all for standing up for your beliefs, but I don't know how rudy can remain standing at this point. Because he should be...asleep... (cricket)

Yeah.

Posted by: domoarigato at January 10, 2008 9:10 PM

Rudy, you rock my world, you crazy nerdy fool!

If I may guess at reading between Dustin's lines, I suspect Seth Rogen is appearing in at least one non-Apatow film.....I suspect I may be missing some sarcasm on your part, though. Beg pardon, just returned from my friendly local drinking establishment, and after a couple of pints, my grasp of snark-ese kind of goes out the window.

Alright, that's alot of typing for one evening. Ugh, I think I just made myself nauseous. (Insert evil laugh here)

Posted by: MO at January 10, 2008 9:11 PM

As a foreigner, I still don't get why you guys use the term "uneventful" when it actually means "eventless". I'd say "irregardless" goes the same way to my ears. It doesn't mean it's wrong, to me or else, I just don't get it at first, and then keep on learning...

BTW, I see the difference between "nauseous" (cause) and "nauseated" (effect) in my language. Dunno about English, tho.

Posted by: gargumma at January 10, 2008 9:23 PM

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sicko, which I believe, was one of the Micheal Moore's finer documentaries, and a great one overall.

One of my picks for this year.

Posted by: dkozlov at January 11, 2008 3:14 AM

It's fun to learn things! Hurrah for the mighty Pajiba once again.

I watched No Country for Old Men last night and I kind of wish I hadn't read either the review or these round tables before I had (still I'm not even sure it's on general release over here yet so I'm pretty sure it couldn't have been avoided) it left me wanting somewhat... I'm not sure how to describe it. I think a repeat viewing without housemates alternately making sarcastic comments or freaking out about it being "creepy" (I love them but damn you can't watch a serious movie with those kids) may be in order.

I had no quibble with the ending though, I thought it fitted in perfectly with the tone of the film.

Posted by: Alex the Odd at January 11, 2008 5:10 AM

Okay ladies and gentiles this is my first post here (being i haven't had the balls or intellect to match the majority of commentary on this site) so here i go ...what butt hurt me enough to type my nick and email in the comment field was the -Bourn Ultimatum- (you may now start your heckling)its a great plot, that ill give it ,but what the fuck is wrong with the camera work? Is the gazillion dollars they have made so far not enough to hire a non epileptic camera man? WTF? Is it possible to shake a camera more in face to face dialog scenes? Ooh its visceral and real.. right... fuck that.. I wanna see the movie not puke while watching it ...did they give a hundred pound camera to a 95 year old high on speed? I mean FUCK... the camera was bouncing around like the operator was trying to jerk off and aim at Matt Damon's face at the same time FOR THE ENTIRE MOVIE not a second of still shot not one. While I'm ranting about it...no movie should have (camera on vibrate mode) film work it s not a style nor an effect its just shitty camera work. Of course this being my opinion. If you feel different, please explain how you can endure wooden rollercoaster cam? A drug possibly? Blindness? Any comments will be noted..then rejected ...whew.. I feel better now.... aloha.....

Posted by: Mr Hate at January 11, 2008 12:24 PM

mr. hate :
couldn't agree more with your problem with " bourne ". i really looked forward to it after the first 2 but was subjected to the palsied camera, virtual fights and the longest chase scene ( on foot, no less) in the history of motion pictures. it was to the first 2 as godfather 3 was to the first 2 but at least it didn't have coppola's daughter polluting the screen.

Posted by: snake at January 11, 2008 9:21 PM

I'm one of those people who mostly liked Knocked Up, but was and continues to be disappointed by the disparity in character development between the male and female characters. Certainly, Apatow is making more complex comedies than Adam Sandler or Ben Stiller, but for me, that is exactly what makes this inconsistency so disappointing. After all, Freaks and Geeks should stand as proof that Apatow is capable of creating female characters who are fun, interesting and nuanced. The trying-to-go-clubbing-while-pregnant sequence and following monologue in Knocked Up were a taste of the kind of comedic versatility Apatow is capable of writing for his female characters. It's just incredibly disappointing when he doesn't run with that, and chooses instead to stick with the scenario of long-suffering, kind of uptight women partnered with fun-loving irresponsible boy-men who don't want to grow up. It's also disappointing because he doesn't have the excuse of overall rock-bottom quality that someone like Sandler does; Apatow is a very good comic writer/director, and part of the reason why this neglect is so disappointing, at least to me, is that it just seems like laziness.

Part of the reason I loved Juno so much is because I got to watch characters who remind me of so many people I know, the kind of people who never get written into movies in spite of being funny and interesting material, and that characters of both genders were fleshed out with equal care. Leslie Mann and Jennifer Garner played what I would consider the same "type" of woman, but Vanessa Loring was a far more developed, sympathetic character than Debbie ever got to be, while still being funny to watch. And Juno herself felt, in spite of the quirky aesthetic, like the truest portrayal of a teenage girl that I've watched since Freaks and Geeks.

It's not like I want Apatow to go and remake Juno; it's not his kind of story, in spite of the shared topic. It's simply a matter of wanting those hints of really funny women to stop being hints and start being real characters in the movie. I'd just like to see him put someone who is both as fun and interesting to watch as Kim Kelly or Lindsay Weir out there again.

I just want to reiterate, even though this is already pretty long, that I did really enjoy Knocked Up. I thought it was really funny, and did a really good job of capturing a moment when you're sort of blind-sided by unexpected responsibility, and what it's like to be a certain kind of young guy right now. I'm not trying to say that Apatow should have shifted the focus over to the women, because I liked that this was a movie about coming to terms with fatherhood. I just wish that I'd enjoyed watching the female supporting characters more, and I'll bet I'm not the only one.

Posted by: FlamingBrain at January 12, 2008 5:43 AM

Okay. My two cents on this Apatow business: Loved "Freaks and Geeks." LOVED "The 40 Year Old Virgin." Was prepared to love "Knocked Up" (as I'd just given birth two months before) but felt as many other woman apparently did: the women were seriously uncool and uptight. Funny, but in my relationship, it would be ME that would get high on 'shrooms and go to Cirque de Soilel. My husband would stay at home and play "Civilization" for 8 hours. Also, the film just really beat up on the Leslie Mann character, I thought. Especially a the birth scene. Fuck, she wanted her sister to be there! I think Rogan is cute as hell but NO WAY IN HELL someone like Heigl would do anything with him. Sorry. And so we rent "Superbad" and I didn't laugh once. Well, maybe once or twice but just really didn't like it much. My husband did, and I can see how it's a total guy movie. Really, I didn't hate it; I thought it was sweet and true in some ways but would have been SO much better if -- well, AGAIN -- the girls were just ridiculous. Embarrassing. Maybe I'm old and shit, but -- do girls really act like that? And they were all just so plastic-looking. And I'm not too old not to know that NO WAY IN HELL that gorgeous cool young girl with the perfect body was going to do ONE GODDAMNED THING with that obnoxious, stupid, ugly fat dude except use him to get her booze. Seriously, forget it. And the "slutty" girl who does McLovin' -- of course they wrote her as damned near brain-dead. How much better would it be if the guys were paired with girls who looked as "real" as they did. Okay, I even did some research on this, since as I've said I'm old as shit. But I live near a high school in a very wealthy, seriously posh neighborhood, and I drove by to check out the kids. Like, if there are kids who looked like those girls around they would be going to this school, ya'll. But -- they all looked totally normal. Doughy, pasty, bad clothes, bad hair, bad skin, bad posture. Typical teenagers. Some were cuter than others (mainly the BOYS), but overall -- absolutely nothing like what you see in movies or on television. Sorry, I digress, but... there it is. My Apatow love has dissapated, and the way "Hollywood" portrays teenage girls (haven't seen "Juno" yet,btw) is total bullshit. But *sputter* the girls in "Freaks and Geeks" were so cool! WHAT HAPPENED?

Posted by: RLS-1 at January 12, 2008 11:51 AM

JMW, ^5 on "gutsy" as a riposte. That is precisely where those nauseated by nauseous agents feel their symptoms of nausea. And, domoarigato, the secret to remaining upright is (quoting a friend) to have "enough sticks up [one's] ass to build a small house". Ah, the eternal mysteries of grammar and posture. By this time, I fear the dead horse has been sufficiently beaten with the ugly stick, so I shall stand-down. But dayum, I had a good time.

Posted by: rudy at January 12, 2008 6:22 PM

Ok, yet again I'm way late to this thread, but I feel compelled to add my two cents (or maybe a few more). As I mentioned in the previous comments section, I think 3:10 to Yuma was superb, and I HATE westerns! But the Bale/Crow chemistry was fantastic, and to echo an earlier comment, Bale can do NO wrong. I am so happy that he's back to his deliciously, sinfully, buff Batman Body. I loved him in The Machinist and Rescue Dawn, but the muscles, ooooohh man the muscles. I get tingly every time I see the trailer for The Dark Knight, even Heath Ledger seems to totally BRING IT to this one, will July freaking get here already?!?

I agree with Dustin, I thoroughly enjoyed both 1408 and Disturbia. Disturbia was much better than I expected. I went into it with very low expectations and was very pleasantly surprised. Say what you must, I know I will be judged, but I have a very inappropriate (simply because of age) crush on Shia LeBouf. Back in high school, I was the captain of the cheerleading squad that always had a thing for the awkward, nervous, semi-geeky cuties like Shia LeBouf and Michael Cera. So guys like that do attract the so-called "popular" girls, despite how unbelievable it seems to the Apathow bashers. And I think Seth Rogen is adorable! One of my favorite scenes in 40YOV is the end when they're singing "The Age of Aquarius" and Rogen is singing and dancing topless while rubbing his hairy beer belly. I know, it's weird, but what can I say? I'm being honest.

Ok, that's all for now. The more I type the worse I'm making myself sound. I drool over hunks like Bale and Crow, I love skinny nerds, and chubby guys like Rogen too...maybe I'm just a slut? J Anyway, my 2008 resolution was to participate more and lurk less, being that I read Pajiba every day. So I'm here people. Bring on the scathing bitchiness!

Posted by: Pudenda at January 13, 2008 6:28 PM

I'd forgotten all about Bridge to Terabithia. I saw that one while I was on a cruise in Alaska this summer, and I sobbed hysterically from her death until the end of the film... because it was so upsetting, the movie was so good, and I saw myself in the young characters.

That was the movie this year that gave me the most home for my favorite childhood books going cinematic. Next up, From the Mixed Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler?

Posted by: That Girl at January 13, 2008 8:52 PM

In the past week I've watched a shitload of movies. No wonder there's no clean laundry & the hairballs have started a revolution under the kitchen radiator.

But! I digress, as usual. Sooooo.... on the Westerns Front, we wanted to compare 3:10 to Yuma to some of our other favorite Westerns, so we Netflixed Pale Rider & Unforgiven 1st. Unforgiven is one of my all time favorite movies, regardless of genre & it never, ever fails. I love the Eastwood line near the end "you take away all a man's got & all he'll ever have." Comparing Unforgiven to Pale Rider really is no comparison & I'd say Yuma is up there in the "you don't know shit about movies if you haven't seen" category. I mean, really, who could pass up Gladiator versus then befriends Batman?

If you like Elmore Leonard and/or Western genre try the novel, The Hot Kid.

I have Pajiba to thank for clueing me in on Ben Foster. The whole movie we were wondering where the hell we'd seen that guy. Knew the role we were thinking of him in was not even close to a sociopath. It was the boyfriend from 6'under! Oh yeah!

Also watched Eastern Promises. That fight scene goes beyond, but I have to agree that the bad guy's sudden resurrection with the eyeball stab was over.the.top. The rest of the story was fantastic and well spun. I loved the subtle way the mob boss father turned from kind, old man serving Borsch, to evil child rapist. His performance shouldn't go unrecognized either; although, you are all right who agree that Mortensen & Cassel steal the show. I'm just glad there weren't minutes on end of Naomi Watts over-emoting for the camera ala King Kong.

OK - that's enough for now.

Posted by: GinKirk at January 14, 2008 3:52 PM

In the past week I've watched a shitload of movies. No wonder there's no clean laundry & the hairballs have started a revolution under the kitchen radiator.

But! I digress, as usual. Sooooo.... on the Westerns Front, we wanted to compare 3:10 to Yuma to some of our other favorite Westerns, so we Netflixed Pale Rider & Unforgiven 1st. Unforgiven is one of my all time favorite movies, regardless of genre & it never, ever fails. I love the Eastwood line near the end "you take away all a man's got & all he'll ever have." Comparing Unforgiven to Pale Rider really is no comparison & I'd say Yuma is up there in the "you don't know shit about movies if you haven't seen" category. I mean, really, who could pass up Gladiator versus then befriends Batman?

If you like Elmore Leonard and/or Western genre try the novel, The Hot Kid.

I have Pajiba to thank for clueing me in on Ben Foster. The whole movie we were wondering where the hell we'd seen that guy. Knew the role we were thinking of him in was not even close to a sociopath. It was the boyfriend from 6'under! Oh yeah!

Also watched Eastern Promises. That fight scene goes beyond, but I have to agree that the bad guy's sudden resurrection with the eyeball stab was over.the.top. The rest of the story was fantastic and well spun. I loved the subtle way the mob boss father turned from kind, old man serving Borsch, to evil child rapist. His performance shouldn't go unrecognized either; although, you are all right who agree that Mortensen & Cassel steal the show. I'm just glad there weren't minutes on end of Naomi Watts over-emoting for the camera ala King Kong.

OK - that's enough for now.

Posted by: GinKirk at January 14, 2008 3:57 PM

I just want to say thank you to John Williams for his assesment of the second Bourne movie. I loved the movie, but it made me feel sea-sick when I saw it in theaters. On video, the jerky camera movements were much less nauseating, so I enjoyed it much more there. I'm sure I'm gonna love the third one too, but the feeling of needing to step outside and take Dramamine during the second one turned me off to seeing it in theaters. Too Bad.

Posted by: CarpePancakes! at January 14, 2008 9:41 PM