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Zack and Miri Make a Porno / Brian Prisco

Film Reviews | October 31, 2008 | Comments (157)


Kevin Smith made a movie, y’all. An honest to god, motherfucking movie. For years, people have been busting out slacker comedies with chubby stoners finding inexplicably hot girlfriends or basic romantic comedies sprinkled with a couple dick and fart jokes. They have never paid respect to the man who, while not the father of the genre (Richard Linklater), is assuredly the son if not the holy fucking spirit. The difference is they would triple the budget, slap in a couple of hot-in-the-moment comedians, pull back on the f-bombs, and rake in mad amounts of cash. Kevin Smith sat back, let the boys play, while he went about his business making a couple of movies with his friends. Then came Zack and Miri Make a Porno. It’s a little like Pete Wentz jamming in front of a couple of sorority girls, impressing them with all three of the chords he knows. When Tom Morello walks in, Pete says, “Hey, Tom, how you like my new guitar?” Tom picks it up and says, “Boy, let me tell you what.” He then busts out a riff that makes all of the girls wearing panties wet them, spontaneously impregnate, and orgasms all the girls in the coffeeshop next door. And then he smiles, hands back the guitar, and walks away, as Wentz’s mascara runs down his face.

Congratulations everyone else making dick and fart joke romantic comedies. You just got fucking served.

Zack (Seth Rogen), a barista at a knock-off chain, lives with his best friend Miri (Elizabeth Banks) who might have a job? They’re a couple of immature losers, barely keeping jobs, never making rent, dealing with stacks and stacks of unpaid bills. They begrudgingly attend their ten-year high school reunion so Miri can sleep with the ex-jock she was crushing on and so Zack can drink until he can’t feel feelings anymore. However, it turns out that her old flame is actually a flamer and performs with his lover in gay porn. Hmph. Things for Zack and Miri get progressively worse, but — inspired by the swanky sodomites — when it looks like they’re going to lose their home, they decide to make a porno movie hoping to earn a shitload of money fast.

It’s the thinnest of plots, and if you saw it on a DVD cover, you’d laugh and throw it back in the $5 bin next to Wargames: The Dead Code and the Olsen Twins Double Trouble Feature Pack.

But in a Kevin Smith movie, you don’t worry about the blueprints so much as how the finished home feels. Most of his films have the barest inkling of a plot, while careening along on the charm and witticisms of the cast. And it works. You don’t watch for the cinematography. You listen for the killer rapport between the real folks. This movie assuredly does not disappoint. Smith turns on all four cylinders with pop culture riffs, vulgarity, witty exchanges, and even more slurs, including the brand new shiny “cuntnugget.” Unlike most movies of this ilk, where moviegoers will regurgitate only the pre-packaged comedy bits (you know how I know you’re gay?), Zack and Miri bursts with constant gems. It doesn’t matter the scene. I can’t give you any snippets without completely ruining surprises. Well, alright, let’s just say the title of the proposed porno goes from Star Whores: The Phantom Man-Ass to something involving the phrase “cockachino.” You’ll never think of a frosted cupcake the same way again. Like a Mifune samurai, Smith has honed his craft to almost effortless killing capacity It’s why people love “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia”: because the characters are absolute bastards to one another because they genuinely care about everyone. This is particularly evident in the use of racial humor. In Clerks II, we started out with Hooper X and then moved on to the porch monkey chatter. They felt a little slapped in for shock value. Here, he’s managed to weave it in with the rest of the banter to create brilliance. When a customer interrupts the black barista to request a “Coffee. Black.”, Delaney says, “We’re talking here. White.”

Underneath all of the depraved language and filth — and Kevin Smith has thrown down the sticky gauntlet of raunch and toilet humor in ways that defy imagination — there’s an incredible amount of heart. A Kevin Smith movie is always a love story at its core. Zack and Miri is one of the sweetest romantic comedies you will ever see. It’s the story of two old friends who start to fall in love with each other. Except instead of involving some sort of convoluted wedding farce or some ridiculous vacation gone haywire, these two are making a hardcore fuck flick. Who hasn’t been desperately, hopelessly in love with one of your best friends of the opposite sex? That’s practically the core of every relationship I’ve had since high school.

The movie almost completely floats on the charisma and chemistry of the two leads, something I doubted would work. The public has been saturated with Seth Rogen for the past three or four years as he continues to play a variation on the same fat dopey guy in every film. And I hope you like Elizabeth Banks, because you’re going to have to eat 17 bowls of her over this movie season. Kevin Smith knows how to work with actors. Seth Rogen finally gets to be funny and adorable and fat and slackery and it ACTUALLY FUCKING MAKES SENSE. In both Knocked Up and Pineapple Express, you never once consider Rogen to be a viable romantic interest or hero. He’s just a funny fat guy with a jewfro wearing a tight fitting suit or stained T-shirt. Zack doesn’t have much to offer, other than quick wit and snappy lines, but every thing he does is for Miri because he loves her. It’s not a pathetic, sappy love built out of a need to get into the other’s pants or out of some sort of perfect desire. It’s an honest “I Care About You” relationship that blossoms into more. Elizabeth Banks’ Miri is finally a female character who can talk dirty, drink beer, and still care about being pretty. She’s so fucking lovely and amazing in this film, I want to bottle her essence and spray it on the Hamster Ball from Bolt because it would such a potent amount of AWWWWW it would end the war in Iraq. So much of the movie is performed with just a look or a cock of the eyebrow (no pun intended — alright, maybe a little). With such love, you sometimes forget the next scene is going to involve lightsaber-shaped dildos.

Smith is smart enough to let Zack and Miri’s relationship be the main focus of the movie and not get wrapped up in throwing in as many cock-and-balls chuckles as he can. He has finally found the perfect balance of raunch and romance, and it blends so smoothly you sometimes forget the movie is about fucking. It’s downright profane, it’s crass, it’s crude, but it’s also quite endearing. Towards the end, Smith gets practically Capraesque with his sentimentality, but he’s also careful to deflate any moment that seems a little too precious. Heartfelt confessions of love are exchanged while people are on the toilet, without making it some sort of fart joke. While he avoids the complex, difficult ending of Chasing Amy, the ending of Zack and Miri is still incredibly satisfying without being sappy.

Indeed, the movie leaves you feeling almost buoyant. What makes it work so well is that you can see in every frame the cast is having a fucking ball. The sheer joy of making this movie resonates in every scene. The supporting cast is particularly splendid, a veritable hodgepodge of View Askew regulars, comedians, and porn stars. Jeff Anderson pulls off a less snarky Randall for this, but it fully works for the character. Lester is Jason Mewes’ finest performance because he’s not relying on snoochie boochies for a laugh. He’s still absolutely fucking off the wall, doing completely crazy shit, but he’s actually acting for a change. Ricky Mabe, a big star in Canada, is going to get recognition for this. It’s not quite as breakout as Elias from Clerks II, but Mabe makes the most of his small part. Craig Robinson finally gets a meatier role as Delaney, Zack’s co-worker at the coffeehouse. He practically steals every scene he’s in. If you’ve never seen Traci Lords or Katie Morgan naked, you probably don’t own a computer and still refer to flushable commodes as “terlets.” Neither of them take themselves seriously, so they’re able to just have fun with their respective parts, and it works surprisingly well. In fact, Katie Morgan was giving me a Joey Lauren Adams vibe, only filled with silicone.

Speaking of naked, and I know everyone’s wondering: You do see Seth Rogen’s ass, but no Elizabeth Banks nudity. Don’t fret, gents, because there’s more than enough inflatable boobies to save the entire cast of Tit-tanic. And ladies, if Rogen ain’t doing it for you, I offer an uncomfortably full-frontal Jason Mewes. So uncomfortably naked.

*Shudder.*

[Cameo spoilers]No Kevin Smith movie would be complete without a rich assortment of cameos. Brandon Routh plays Bobby Long, the ex-jock desire of Miri, who turns out to be a gay porn star betrothed to Brandon St. Ruby, the pants-shittingly hilarious Justin Long. That’s right. The fucking Mac guy owns you. Stay through the credits and watch Superman squirm. The only cameo coming close to topping Long is Tisha Campbell-Martin as Delaney’s surly wife, continuing the fine trend of everyone involved with the show Martin doing better things lately than the titular star. There are tons of other people popping up here and there for the careful observer, including Jennifer Schwalbach Smith, Kenny Hotz from “Kenny vs. Spenny,” and Tom Savini. Unfortunately, no Afflecks were harmed in the making of this film.[End Cameo Spoilers]

Smith doesn’t set out to trump Apatow; instead he’s building off a foundation that he first laid. Without Clerks, there would be no The 40-Year-Old Virgin; conversely, without The 40-Year-Old Virgin, there would be no Zack and Miri Make a Porno. This bodes well for the future of randy comedy. The movie even looks good for once. It’s essentially the same kind of movie Smith always makes, only with a slightly better cast and a shinier production look. It’s still got all the hallmarks of a typical Smith film: A Pittsburgh locale, hockey games, an amazing soundtrack featuring all the bands on the mixtapes I made in high school — Primus, Live, DMX, The Pixies, and so forth. It’s a solid showing for Smith, who’s going to keep the faithful fanboys happy while still managing to pick up a few more believers along the way. Rush out and see this before the tolling of the Oscar bells start; it’ll be a while before you get a movie that will make you laugh and smile as much as Zack and Miri Make a Porno. People may piss on Smith — not in the actual flick, that’d kinda be gross — for not being a director in the league of Coppola or Lucas or other fat bearded fellas, but he’s doing things neither of them have been able to pull off: He’s getting better as he gets older.

Nugga-nootch, bitchtits!

Brian Prisco is a burger whisperer from the hills and valleys of North Hollywood, by way of the fiery streets of Philadelphia. When not casting his slings and arrows of outrageous fortune in an attempt to make sense of this crazy little thing called love, he can be found with his nose in a book in an attempt to make a grown woman cry when he beats her in the Cannonball Read. You can pick a fight with him via email at .com or decipher his crazy ramblings at The Gospel According to Prisco. Hail Discordia!


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Comments

Well, okay, but you mean killer rapport, right? Not rappaport? Or am I missing something?

Posted by: jkate at October 31, 2008 2:10 PM

Rag on Smith all you want, but you gotta give him credit for knowing how to work human interaction and scenes where the "action" is all verbal. Homeboy don't need no fucking 'splosions or tight angled shots of black helicopters to get his point across.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 31, 2008 2:11 PM

I heart everyone after reading this review. It makes me happy!

Posted by: Emily at October 31, 2008 2:15 PM

Sounds like Clerks 2, mercifully cut off after the jail scene.

And with a lady instead of Dante. And no goat.

I have a lot of things to go over while I watch this movie, but the point is this will be the first Kevin Smith movie I see opening weekend since Jay & Bob.

Posted by: tdehr at October 31, 2008 2:17 PM

I like the phrase "a big star in Canada". Anyway, good review; I'm glad to hear this movie doesn't totally suck (pun only slightly intended).

Posted by: MM at October 31, 2008 2:22 PM

Ricky Mabe is a big star in Canada? Are you sure about that?

Posted by: becks at October 31, 2008 2:28 PM

You had me sold once you used the Morello analogy.

Posted by: WD at October 31, 2008 2:29 PM

Oh. My. God.

Ricky Mabe was IN Wargames: The Dead Code, according to Wikipedia. This review is like... made up of layers, man.

Also, I'm from Canada and I've never heard of him.

Posted by: James. at October 31, 2008 2:34 PM

I'll go see this tomorrow to support the cause. Tonight I must dress as a disgustingly slutty maid and wonder around drunkenly making jokes that boys will pretend are funny since I look like a total skank. Can I get a Huzzah from the ladies? Happy Halloween Pahibans!

Posted by: becks at October 31, 2008 2:46 PM

you probably don't own a computer and still refer to flushable commodes as "terlets."

David Sedais reference? Loved that book...

Posted by: ashes at October 31, 2008 2:49 PM

*Sedaris :)

Posted by: ashes at October 31, 2008 2:50 PM

I hate to get all redundant on your ass but even after looking at some photos of Rick Mabe I'm drawing a blank. A Kenny Hotz cameo is awesome though.

Posted by: grinder at October 31, 2008 3:01 PM

Normally I overlook the casual sexism of this site because it doesn't seem to be everyone and you all occasionally link to feministing but I couldn't get past the first paragraph of this review.

I'm sorry Pajiba I think we need to break up.

Call me when you grow up and stop thinking reviews like this are ok.

Posted by: gee at October 31, 2008 3:04 PM

"She's so fucking lovely and amazing in this film, I want to bottle her essence and spray it on the Hamster Ball from Bolt because it would such a potent amount of AWWWWW it would end the war in Iraq."

This line was just....awesome.

I didn't know at first that this movie was a View Askew flick -- I just like both Rogen & Banks and thought it looked funny. Honestly, while I might be a little young (at 26) for the Kevin Smith generation, I fell in love with his films in high school and I'm so psyched to hear he's back to form. Too bad my husband's at a bachelor party this weekend; I'll have to wait to see it because I know we're going to go together!

Posted by: Ariel at October 31, 2008 3:05 PM

Are there actually any sex scenes in this movie?
I'm not talking snippets of head bobbing, but full fledged, 1970's style, gratuituous faked or not sex scenes?

Posted by: BWeaves at October 31, 2008 3:07 PM

"I overlook the casual sexism of this site because... ... but I couldn't get past the first paragraph of this review..."


Posted by: gee at October 31, 2008 3:04 PM

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Wait, wait, wait! What exactly is "sexist about the first paragraph of the review? Anyone? Was it demeaning of women? How? Because it talked about simultaneous orgasms, that's sexist now?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 31, 2008 3:14 PM

Gee - I tend to agree. What with the "unusual" hot temper tantrums and the Smith-worship, I'm feeling a little bit of gender rage toward this site this week. I know that's the no-fun stance but, whatever. I've taken it before and I'll take it again.

And this?
"Elizabeth Banks' Miri is finally a female character who can talk dirty, drink beer, and still care about being pretty."

"Finally"? Come. on. How often has this archetype been trotted out? Something About Mary? Uma Thurman in Beautiful Girls? Every damn movie about a "down-to-earth, low-maintenance" woman?

Posted by: samantha t at October 31, 2008 3:14 PM

Kevin Smith movies would make the best plays.

Um, gee? Our we reading the same review?

Posted by: JP at October 31, 2008 3:14 PM

And I hope you like Elizabeth Banks, because you're going to have to eat 17 bowls of her over this movie season.

Yes, please! I am tying on my Banks Bib right now.

Posted by: kushiro at October 31, 2008 3:16 PM

I can't WAIT to see this. I can't tonight, but first showing tomorrow morning, I'm there.

P.S. Mewes nude? Awe. Some.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at October 31, 2008 3:21 PM

gee: Women having orgasms is sexist? Who knew?

Posted by: stipe42 at October 31, 2008 3:23 PM

I love the referrential humor in the review. The Pete Wentz/Tom Morello thing had me ROLLING!

I can't wait to see this movie!

Posted by: Audiosuede at October 31, 2008 3:23 PM

Every damn movie about a "down-to-earth, low-maintenance" woman?

Posted by: samantha t at October 31, 2008 3:14 PM


So, you're saying you prefer high-maintenance archetypes then?

I'm not seeing how that is sexist, I'm sorry.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 31, 2008 3:29 PM

If women getting hot bothered just looking at a man is sexist then Grey's Anatomy is evidently the most sexist show on TV.

Posted by: JP at October 31, 2008 3:33 PM

I'm from Canada. Who the fuck is Ricky Mabe?!

Posted by: b at October 31, 2008 3:34 PM

I'm just gonna say it. Tisha Campbell-Martin doesn't count as a cameo because she ISN'T A FUCKING CELEBRITY.

And this review was far too long, tighten shit up.

Posted by: FourKings at October 31, 2008 3:34 PM

What the hell's with the hard-ons for Kevin Smith all of a sudden? Is it just because he gave an interview? I love Kevin Smith movies as much as the next Pajiban (Pajibite? Pajibian? fuck it), but I seem to remember you guys being a little more critical of his work in the past. Not to mention the site's slogan is "Scathing Reviews for Bitchy People" not "Blowing Our Load for Any Celebrity that Answers a Few Email Questions".

I plan on seeing this tomorrow.

And your Pete Wentz analogy doesn't really work too well. I'm pretty sure Mr. Mascara plays the bass (one of those unfortunate facts I shouldn't know, but I do). So it would probably be more appropriate for someone like Les Claypool to show up and melt the panties.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2008 3:36 PM

*breathes a sigh of relief* I'm sooooo happy this movie is going to be awesome.

Also, I think I'll go see this movie with an adorable chubby guy. But, I think he still won't get the idea. Oh well.

"Yay!" for Craig Robinson, too.

Posted by: Kayanne at October 31, 2008 3:37 PM

Let's see what Webster's says:

Pronunciation:
\ˈsek-ˌsi-zəm\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
1sex + -ism (as in racism)
Date:
1968

1: prejudice or discrimination based on sex ; especially : discrimination against women.
2: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex.
------------------------------------

How the fuck, was that first paragraph any of the following:
Discriminatory
Fostering of behavior conditions or attitudes that further attitudes/stereotypes or roles based on sex.

WHERE?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 31, 2008 3:39 PM

I think I've got it figured out:

"Women get turned on by men" = a sexist statement

"Men get turned on by women" = an example of sexism

"Women get turned on by women" = in your dreams, you sexist

"Men get turned on by men" = gay guys make the best friends

This can be simplified as: sexist=(gay)^-1

Posted by: stipe42 at October 31, 2008 3:52 PM

Jesus, is this gonna be another one of those misogyny/sexism threads? Because really, and I say this as a female myself, making up shit to call sexist is PRECISELY why people have a negative opinion of modern feminists. It's not because they oppose your "cause," ladies; It's because you're so goddamn ridiculous about it.
And besides, it's freaking Prisco we're talking about here. I've always just understood that he's an equal-opportunity tool, and that's why I love him.

Posted by: hop3 at October 31, 2008 3:53 PM

Oh god. Please don't let this happen on my watch. I already have a headache from screaming baseballs fans and inadvertently eating too much confetti.

Posted by: Julie at October 31, 2008 3:57 PM

Sorry, Julie. Truthfully, I want it to happen as little as you do, but since I'm a broke-ass college student who won't be able to see this movie 'till I can rent it, what else am I going to do but bitch at folks about perceiving sexism where there is none?

Posted by: hop3 at October 31, 2008 4:01 PM

Ah-ha, we can expand upon our math:

Obama is sexist because he ran against Hillary, therefore:

Obama=sexist

By a fractional-race substitution, this becomes:

(1/2)*black=sexist

Substituting into our prior formula:

(1/2)*black=(gay)^-1

We can furthermore establish, that since racism means you are anti-black:

black=(racism)^-1

Therefore:

(1/2)*(racism)^-1=(gay)^-1

We can clean this up a little bit:

2*racism=gay

It is also clear that a bisexual is half gay, therefore:

bisexual=(1/2)*gay

or

gay=2*bisexual

so:

2*racism=2*bisexual

ergo,

racism=bisexual

I think that clears everything up.

Posted by: stipe42 at October 31, 2008 4:05 PM

That's fine, Julie I've already got the top comment in the bag with today's diversion.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! In the BAG? Get it? HAHAHAHAHA. Heeee.

Posted by: Skitz at October 31, 2008 4:06 PM

Hee-bitch away, I'm too tired to. All I can bother to say is that I've met the man and he's a sweetheart who's far from sexist. aldkghaldkhgald I have such a fucking headache. I'm leaving to get beer and burgers.

Posted by: Julie at October 31, 2008 4:08 PM

Kevin Smith (mere days after the interview)
+
Member of the Apatow Clan
=
Guaranteed Glowing Review


I am SHOCKED this was well-received by Pajiba. Shocked, I tell you. You guys sure know how to keep me on my toes.

I must say that one thing does genuinely surprise me. I can't believe Prisco was able to fill FOURTEEN flipping paragraphs with Kevin Smith ass kissing. Longest. Review. Ever.

Too over the top, guys. I've read other reviews and this doesn't seem to have been a perfect film. A lot of people said it was too heavy on the potty humor, and others said it was incredibly boring for a film taking on such a taboo subject. I'll go see it myself to form my own opinion, but this review just seems so...worshipful. It almost makes me WANT to dislike this movie. I'll try my hardest to stay open-minded, but ICK.

And "cuntnugget" is not really that funny.

Posted by: tt_marie at October 31, 2008 4:09 PM

That's it Skitt. You are banned from my list. I will not suffer puns!

Posted by: Julie at October 31, 2008 4:10 PM

Great review, I may just have to siphon some of our daughter's bday party fund to drag the mister to see this.

I was actually wondering if the movie had changed titles, as around these parts the trailers don't even mention the word "porno". All the ads are calling the film "Zack and Miri", even the print versions. Woo, Midwest?

Oh, and Happy Halloween, all revelers!

Posted by: Anne at October 31, 2008 4:12 PM

Kevin Smith is a professional ass. Did you ever see the Scooby-Doo masterbation scene? Or any part of Dogma, or Jersey Girl? Clerks was a fluke. FLUKE! He demeans anyone (girls AND boys, people) including his wife, his country and his God. Being able to whip up clever dick jokes for 15 years does not make you a good filmmaker.

Posted by: Ava at October 31, 2008 4:16 PM

Of course "cuntnugget" is funny, in the same vein of elaboration as "douchenozzle". Tell me the first time you heard Patton Oswald use the now-common "douchenozzle" you didn't even let out a giggle. The point is, foul-mouthed only gets you so far; foul-mouthed and inventive can get you the world. Cuntnugget.

Posted by: tdehr at October 31, 2008 4:22 PM

Add me to the list of those confused. I don't see how that paragraph is sexist... but maybe that's because, if Tom Morello gave me a private show of his guitar skills? I would indeed spontaneously O. And it would be glorious.

Posted by: Melissa at October 31, 2008 4:23 PM

What the hell's with the hard-ons for Kevin Smith all of a sudden? Is it just because he gave an interview? I love Kevin Smith movies as much as the next Pajiban (Pajibite? Pajibian? fuck it), but I seem to remember you guys being a little more critical of his work in the past. Not to mention the site's slogan is "Scathing Reviews for Bitchy People" not "Blowing Our Load for Any Celebrity that Answers a Few Email Questions".


I agree. Smith's movies are generally amusing at best (the first couple I liked in high school but don't think they hold up much as an adult -which, fair enough, so he just made some good comedies for teens). Dogma was a trainwreck, Clerks 2 is seriously one of the top... let's say 20 worst movies I've ever seen. And this one feels like a big Apatow homage five years too late. I don't know, guys. Is it because you know he'll see the review? You don't want to offend him? Or maybe this really is just some amazing masterwork that's going to restore my faith in his abilities as a director.

Posted by: Mitch Clem at October 31, 2008 4:26 PM

You know who's sexist? Warren Jeffs. Know who's not? Brian Prisco.

Lord.

Posted by: Amelia Bedelia at October 31, 2008 4:32 PM

I've always been curious: Is "Scathing reviews for bitchy people" a legally binding document? I mean, if you happen to genuinely enjoy a film, are you legally required to satisfy the cuntnuggets by being both scathing and a bitch?

Can Stipe do the math on that for me, please?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 31, 2008 4:36 PM

Yeah! And you know who else is sexyist? ME, BAYBEE! WHOOOoo...

Oh, sexists?

Christ, can we not get into that again? How 'bout a race war, huh? RACE WAR! Colored people drive like this! Wait... you can't see me can you? Shit. Uh, Spike Lee's a short angry weirdo! YEAH! RAAACE WAAAR!

Posted by: Skitz at October 31, 2008 4:38 PM

I disagree that Rogen is not sexy. He is, even with the jewfro. He makes it work. Maybe it's because he's Canadian.

I'd bitch about how sexist Smith and/or the review are or how much ass-kissery there is in the review, but I see both those are already covered. Thank goodness.

Posted by: Slash at October 31, 2008 4:40 PM

"Maybe it's because he's Canadian."

Yeah, well maybe it's because you're WHITE! How 'bout that, CRACKER! All of you honkies drive like thi... SHIT! RAAACE WAAAR!

Posted by: Skitz at October 31, 2008 4:46 PM

Uncomfortable nude scene with Jason Mewes? I think not, Prisco. Jay is fucking hot now that he's off the rock. I'd dutch rudder him anytime.

And I can sort of see how if you were really sensitive, insinuating that girls make panty pudding every time a hot guy pulls out a guitar is kinda sexist, but if Morello ever riffed in front of me, I'd totally splooge my panties. It's just a fact.

Posted by: Marra at October 31, 2008 4:47 PM

One, Julie pussed out and left the parade to go back to work while I went to the bar.

Two, GET OVER yourselves with the whole sexism thing. This review was not sexist. Go nitpick somewhere else. I'm one of those girls that can talk dirty, loves beer, and looks pretty.

Three, if you want to pick apart the reviews on this site for no other reason than the fact that you feel inadequate as a writer, shut the fuck up and go somewhere else. No one is making you read this, and this review is NOT the equivalent of Prisco fellating Smith. It's a review of a quality film. Shut the fuck up, again.

Happy Phillies Day!

Posted by: Nicole at October 31, 2008 4:57 PM

YOU WANT A RACE WAR, SKITZ?!? You got it. Jewfro's are the cause of all the world's troubles and Seth Rogen is head of the Jewfro Militia. I say down with those Zionist swine. Whitey is the Devil. This movie is racist because it has no Mexicans and everyone knows Kevin Smith hates Latinos. And watch out for the Black Man because he will steal your woman and your bbq.

Posted by: JP at October 31, 2008 4:58 PM

"Three, if you want to pick apart the reviews on this site for no other reason than the fact that you feel inadequate as a writer, shut the fuck up and go somewhere else. No one is making you read this, and this review is NOT the equivalent of Prisco fellating Smith. It's a review of a quality film. Shut the fuck up, again."


I never before realized I was acting on my feelings of inadequacy. You've revealed my insides to the world, Nicole. I'm so...so ashamed. I feel so naked. HOW have you seen straight into my SOUL!?!

Posted by: tt_marie at October 31, 2008 5:05 PM

Nicole: If you were a guitarist and that comment was you jamming and I was a woman, I would have orgasmed in the coffee shop next door.

Posted by: stipe42 at October 31, 2008 5:06 PM

Your comments were completely unnecessary and offensive, JP. I was making a joke. I think you might have known that and carried it one step too far.

As a homersexual albino muslim bluegrass musician, your words hurt. They really hurt...

Posted by: Skitz at October 31, 2008 5:10 PM

I already have a headache from screaming baseballs fans and inadvertently eating too much confetti.
Julie, I'm curious- exactly how much is TOO much confetti? And how much of it was eaten advertently?

Posted by: Rachel at October 31, 2008 5:20 PM

Skitz. You have my deepest and most sincere apologies. If I had known you were a homersexual albino muslim bluegrass musician I would not have said such things. Its really the homersexual albino muslim Techno musician's that I despise. I think we can all agree that those vermon must be eradicated. And Carrot Top. Fuck that cuntnugget.

Posted by: JP at October 31, 2008 5:21 PM

The reviewer in my local paper (Arkansas Democrap) was such a pinched-up twat about the PORN plot-pont you could practically hear him clutch his pearls.

Posted by: firedmyass at October 31, 2008 5:29 PM

FUCKFUCKFUCKITYFUCK.

*point*

Posted by: firedmyass at October 31, 2008 5:31 PM

If you've never seen Traci Lords or Katie Morgan naked, you probably don't own a computer and still refer to flushable commodes as "terlets."
Blasphemy Prisco! I've never seen either of them naked (although I have seen many of the sausage-wagging variety), and I DO NOT call my toilet a "terlet". Although I do pronounce about as "aboot", but that's for entirely different reasons.

And Skitz darling, it's actually pronounced "HAO-MAO-SE'CKSHUL". The word is meant to be pronounced as slowly and loudly as humanly possible, usually by someone with four or five chins and a viewpoint from the early fifties.

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at October 31, 2008 5:31 PM

RE: Traci Lords. When I was a young pup I managed to steal my uncle's Penthouse which contained Vanessa Williams with another woman, and a pre-18 Traci Lords. I did my first five finger shuffle to that mag. Sometime later I traded it for a Wade Boggs rookie card. How I wish I still had that mag.

Posted by: JP at October 31, 2008 5:40 PM

JP: wait... so you switched to using the Wade Boggs card as inspiration for when you wanted to sling some grits?

I mean, I'm not judging or anything. Whatever blows your hair back, man.

Posted by: firedmyass at October 31, 2008 5:45 PM

[b]samantha t[/b]-
I have to agree. Female characters you are supposed to like and/or respect in the movies are hardly ever high-maintenance girly-girls, and yet everyone still finds it refreshing when yet another one pops open a brew and talks about liking sex. It's probably the flipside to the point I made a few movies ago about strong female characters in movies.

Posted by: Eep at October 31, 2008 5:47 PM

Sigh. Sorry about the tags.

Regarding the review... I always thought Apatow's movies owed more to the teenager/stoner comedies of the '70s than Smith's oeuvre. Never really thought that hard about it, though.

Posted by: Eep at October 31, 2008 5:48 PM

No, fired. What I am saying is that when I was in parochial school I used to steal a porno, slap the hell out of my chimichanga to it, then sell the mag at school. I would then steal another mag and begin the process again.

My family worked in commerical fishing. Then men would be out for months at a time with no women around so they brought lots of porn with them. I would go on board the vessel and sneak into various crewmans' bunks and steal a mag here and there. Either they didn't notice or they figured one of the other guys took it.

So yes, I was an thief, a smuggler, an 11-year-old smut peddler. But I sure didn't hurt no one.

By the way, I was also a joker, a smoker, and a midnight toker. I got my lovin on the run.

Posted by: JP at October 31, 2008 5:58 PM

hahhah I fucking LOVE that little hamster from BOLT.

Posted by: Leah at October 31, 2008 6:01 PM

Huh, when I read the first paragraph of this review, my reaction was more "For pete's sake, don't laugh out loud or the coworkers will hear me." Sexism didn't cross my mind at all. What if Prisco had substituted lady guitarists--would that have been OK?!

JP and firedmyass--too funny, guys.

Posted by: meaux at October 31, 2008 6:04 PM

JP: We didn't have no big fancy commercial fishin' boats out in the country.* So I would steal titty mags and such from friend's dads. I made the mistake once of burying them in a garbage bag out in the wood, as my mom was in big spring-cleaning mode. I did not understand the concept of condensation, and within days they turned into a giant mass of moist flakes. This did not compromise their utility as much as you'd think.

*We did have a cousin-rubbin' shed, though.

Posted by: firedmyass at October 31, 2008 6:22 PM

I really don't see how this review was sexist but I do think it was bad.

There, I said it. This is a bad review.

I feel like it was probably motivated by this statement in the Kevin Smith interview:

I got some really nice printed reviews on Clerks II, but none of them made me as happy as the Pajiba review -- because I felt like "This motherfucker just gets the shit out of this movie, and what's more, this motherfucker just gets the shit out of me because he is me -- except probably thinner."

It's like the entire time Prisco was writing this review he was thinking, "What is Kevin Smith going to think when he reads this?" I know everyone got a little bit star-struck when the interview went up but this is seriously embarrassing. I like Kevins Smith and I'm sure I'll like Zack and Miri but this review fucking sucked.

Sorry to come down so hard... I'm sure I'm going to get some backlash for this.

Posted by: Allingsworth at October 31, 2008 6:24 PM

Oh, shit. Allingsworth just reminded me that Kevin Smith might actually read my little tale of perversion. Hi Kevin. Come for the reviews, stay for the debauchery.

fired. I tried hiding some mags in the canyon behind my house once, in a little fort me and my friends constructed. But some bum used them as cum rags / ass wipes / bath towels. I got him back though, when I peed on his cardboard house and threw water balloons at him.

The story has a happy ending though 'cause a few years later I used to give him money to buy me wine coolers and beer. Ah, to be an underage drinker again. Dem were da days.

Posted by: JP at October 31, 2008 6:37 PM

JP: We didn't have hobos. Well, we did - except we used a regional term: "uncles."

God, sometimes I really miss being white trash.

Posted by: firedmyass at October 31, 2008 6:50 PM

JakesAlterEgo: Ok so here's the math for whether it should be possible to have a positive review on Pajiba.

(like the film) = positive review

Pajiba = (scathing reviews) + (bitchy people)

We want to know if it is possible for Pajiba to produce a positive review, or

Pajiba = positive review

therefore we set the two equations equal to each other:

(positive review) = (scathing reviews) + (bitchy people)

If we can prove these two are equal, we can indeed say that it is possible for Pajiba to legitmately produce a positive review.

By the first law of mathamadeupicas, adjacent words are multiplicative

postive*review = scathing*review + bitchy*people

We can make a simple substitution of scathing=pain and positive=pleasure

pleasure*review = pain*review + bitchy*people

a little subtraction:

pleasure*review - pain*review = bitchy*people

a little factoring:

(pleasure - pain) * review = bitchy*people

a little division:

review = bitchy*people/(pleasure-pain)

now it is well known that (rounding off for trans-gendered folk and midgets) half of people are male, so since (1/2)*people=male, then people=2*male, therefore:

review = bitchy*(2*male)/(pleasure-pain)

also since every third grader knows that a bitch is a female dog (bitch=female*dog), so:

review = 2*female*dog*male/(pleasure-pain)

Therefore, I posit that a review from Pajiba will be positive if the pleasure is greater than the pain, negative if the pain is greater than the pleasure, and infinite if the pleasure equals the pain. Furthermore, the numerator suggests that the review will be zero (e.g. neutral) unless it contains 2 scenes of a threesome between a man, a woman and a dog.

Posted by: stipe42 at October 31, 2008 7:45 PM

sorry guys
but Clerks 2 sucked

Posted by: sushi at October 31, 2008 8:26 PM

Ah! Enough with the math! Fuck! I was an English major! Dammit!

Posted by: Alabamapink at October 31, 2008 8:59 PM

I don't yet know if this review is valid, but it does seem a bit butt-licky. When I read "Indeed, the movie leaves you feeling almost buoyant." I was like - Dude, I can tell.

Posted by: Cindy at October 31, 2008 9:18 PM

Just got home from leaving the neighborhood kids high and dry candy-wise to see the matinee. Good flick, excellent chemistry between Banks and Rogen, and the best use of a Pixies song in movie history. Also, my house was not egged in my absence. Couldn't be happier.

Posted by: sansho1 at October 31, 2008 9:18 PM

Sansho1, the best use of a Pixie song was in Fight Club.

Now, off to steal candy from prepubescents.

Posted by: JP at October 31, 2008 9:23 PM

I didn't get past the first four paragraphs. It's to glorious to contimplate in a written medium. I must see it in person in order to bask in its cuntnuggety brilliance. I'm crying now. Even the anticipation is too much for one man to handle.

Posted by: Admin11 at October 31, 2008 10:13 PM

sexism
1: prejudice or discrimination based on sex ; especially : discrimination against women.
_____________________________

That's the most sexist definition I've ever read.

Posted by: Sofía at October 31, 2008 10:28 PM

Boy, was this "it-was-so-orgasmically-great-that-I-creamed-in-my-pants-more-than-once" review predictable. In fact, seeing the Pajiba build up for this movie, I bet this review was written and rewritten numerous times in the past few months prior to anyone seeing the film.

Now what I'd like to see is someone here with the balls to write an honest review of it, not the mega-fanboy review posted above. Someone willing to write, "you know, I love K.Smith and all, but this movie didn't live up to my expectations. It fell short, both in the lame, overdone sex jokes, as well as the storytelling, etc."

But I suppose that'd be raining on someone's parade and set such a person up for vicious personal attacks.

Posted by: B-Unit at October 31, 2008 10:57 PM

Why are people on the internet such assholes? I've never encountered people like this outside of parties that have run too late and the keg is dry.

Posted by: the_wakeful at October 31, 2008 11:00 PM

It is curious how people so quickly attack or defend Kevin Smith films (and even their reviews.) I wonder how different these comments would be if people had actually bothered to see the film.

Posted by: anonymous coward at November 1, 2008 12:04 AM

Tom Morello

Alright. Two things:

1. Pete Wentz has no, NO right to walk the same ground as the infinitely superior Morello. Morello can do more with his pinky than Wentz can do in his lifetime.

2. Oh my god. Will those of you bitching about sexism kindly remove the stick from your ass? Lighten up. I expected this kind of review from Prisco and I was right.

Smith is very much a love him/hate him director. I hated Chasing Amy and Clerks 2. I love Dogma. Do I think he is a genius? No. Do I respect the work he does? For the most part.

FiredMyAss, I have to ask why in the unholy hell are you getting movie advice from the AD? They gave that chihuahua movie a good review. The AD kills brain cells. I only get the Sunday edition for the ads.

Posted by: Melody at November 1, 2008 12:25 AM

This is completely off topic: Did Sirkickyass change his name to B-Unit? 'Cause that 10:57pm comment sure sounds a lot like Sirkickyass.

Posted by: ariadne at November 1, 2008 12:31 AM

BWAHA I love when Prisco raves positive about a film. Can't wait to watch this, though living in this fucking joyless country the movie will never make it to theaters. But I am definitely excited for it.

And cuntnugget? Fucking GENIUS. Adding that to my dictionary.

Posted by: figgy at November 1, 2008 12:32 AM

Just read all the comments and jeeeebus. Is sexism the new racism at Pajiba? Are people going to start screaming sexism at anything?

It's idiotic. People who see sexism everywhere make us good feminists look bad. Shut the hell up.

I still love you, Prisco!

Posted by: figgy at November 1, 2008 12:54 AM

Oh my god, did one person say this was sexist one time and everyone's still mad about that? Get over it, everyone agrees it isn't. The review's not sexist, it's sycophantic and pointless.

Posted by: Mitch Clem at November 1, 2008 1:36 AM

dave, i was thinking that too. including the les claypool =D

Posted by: jotunes at November 1, 2008 3:19 AM

shit - some of y'all are misbehaving. If you're not onboard with enthusiasm, Pajiban zeitgeists, and a sense of humour...then what the hell are you doing reading these reviews? Shit. It's like you're all having a bad day. Wanna know what a REAL bad day is like? How about having your Kindergartener labeled a sex offender with a permanent scholastic record for going on a kissing spree? Go ahead and tell me that makes sense - as much sense as getting pissy over the very mild metaphors up above.

They like Kevin Smith. He has a movie out. Have you even HEARD Dustin go on about Ryan Reynolds, for example? It's embarrassing, frankly, but we still like him. In fact, we embrace him. I'd kiss him and Prisco too, excepting that I'm not quite the smooth criminal my son appears to be.

Posted by: replica at November 1, 2008 4:13 AM

uh...

totally disagree about the review. I think that I absolutely have to agree with TT_marie...

I just saw the movie and wish and pray to high heaven that I had the money and time that I spent on it back.

Smith was/is a good moviemaker. Now... not so sure. This review feels far too much like a fan-boy love letter.

The story - yes, it was thin. Single piece of paper thin. And although I do agree that the story sometimes is secondary to the banter in a Smith film.... there wasn't any plot development banter that contributed at all to an actual plot. It was sloppy, it was contrived, and it didn't work for a multitude of reasons.

potty mouthed, yep this movie certainly was. However my problem... it wasn't realistic, comedic or even intelligible. Colorful language can be funny if it's use is intended to be more than just a carlin-esque littering of the screen with expletives. But to call the move carlin-esque would breathe a hint of intelligence and wit into the film that didn't exist.

I have my theories, but I'm suspecting that the two different production values of two very different writer/directors didn't mesh well, and instead it was a mutually unsatisfying "dutch-rudder" for both Apatow and Smith. This collaboration, like many unfortunate last minute late night drunken decisions are...painful and ultimately forgettable.

Posted by: nun_in_a_habit at November 1, 2008 4:14 AM

i just read the review again. i have swollen lips from just reading this way too long arse-kissing fest. for shame. dustin should've never let this posting happen.
awful.

Posted by: jotunes at November 1, 2008 4:16 AM

Sounds like Clerks 2, mercifully cut off after the jail scene.

And with a lady instead of Dante. And no goat.

@ tdehr:

Re: Clerks 2

It was a DONKEY!!!

Posted by: Az at November 1, 2008 8:37 AM

I know it's useless to expect someone to change their opinion (or at least reconsider it) just by reading something in a comment section, but I wanna be able to say "at least I gave it a shot." The whole point of sharing a point of view is to open the door to a healthy debate, right?

OK, so here I go:

I'm not gonna talk about the review because we all knew what was gonna happen. Anyone who's been reading this site on a daily basis knows which movies are liked and which ones aren't. We are all entitled to our own opinions, and I dare to say that at least 90% of the readers enjoy this site and continue visiting it because we share the same points of view with Pajiba's staff. In time we have become a community, and a damn fun one, so if you wanna express your disagreement, just do it. But don't act so surprised when you read a rave Kevin Smith review.

Also, I really can't stand it when they call the site sexist, because the women who make those accusations seem to have no idea of what real sexism is. Sexism is when they pay you less than a man when you have the same responsibilities. Sexism is when people understimate you because of your gender. Sexism is not saying someone is hot or making references to the female orgasm. That first paragraph was not sexist. If anything, Prisco understands the importance and the wonder that is the female orgasm, and he used his Wentz/Morello tangent to explain something exytraordinarily good. You know what would've been sexist? Writing "this movie was as irrelevant as the female orgasm." But this wasn't the case, now, was it?

If I had lived in the sixties and seventies I would've called myself a feminist. But today it is so damn hard to do it because you encounter a level of ignorance that actually makes me want to apologize to those women who first spoke up for the rest of us. If you wanna fight sexism help women in third world countries, or write your local congress man/woman and tell him or her about the real problems you have seen. Don't come to a site that has a high number of female readers - that ADORE Pajiba's approach - and call it sexist because you wanna feel like the Clit Avenger. The rest of the women who know what this site is all about will appreciate it.

Posted by: Sofía at November 1, 2008 11:03 AM

"Clerks" was kinda funny. "Chasing Amy" was not funny at all. So I kinda threw in the towel on Smith, even though I want to like him, and I'm not really inclined to see this. Maybe I'm just too old for it, but movie makers continuously trying to up the ante on gross-outs and vulgarity just gets really tiresome. Isn't there an irony in amazingly inventive people unleashing their vast powers of creativity on sex/poopy jokes? And I don't mean "irony" in the good way.

Plus I understand Smith fought like hell to get an R rating for this. Have the courage of your convictions, man! If you made an NC-17, be proud of it. Bickering over ratings is purely a commercial impulse. So crass. Now you're just one of Them.

Actually, looking at my movie listings here, there's nothing in town I want to see.

57 channels and nothin' on.

Posted by: bucdaddy at November 1, 2008 11:12 AM

A couple of people have made the point that those of us who didn't like the review should have been expecting it to be over the top for a long time. Here's the thing though... I have no problem with Pajiba giving a Kevin Smith movie a positive review. In fact, I usually get excited when Pajiba gives any movie a positive review because then I know it's worth it for me to drag my ass to the theater. My issue with this particular review is that it isn't really even a review. It's a twelve paragraph rant about how awesome Kevin Smith is and how much we should all love him. It's not intelligent or thoughtful at all. That's what I really come to Pajiba for: intelligent, thoughtful reviews.

I understand that most of us here have a penchant for dick and fart jokes and it's fun to go off on a tangent in the comments sometimes but this review started off on a tangent and never made it back. If Pajiba likes a movie, I expect a well-written review to go along with it. There's plenty of rambling and cursing to be found in the reviews for movies that we all know will suck. So basically, if Prisco liked this movie so fucking much he should have spent the time and brainpower writing a review that was actually worth reading.

Posted by: Allingsworth at November 1, 2008 11:30 AM

I have to say, I read everything with a grain of salt. you have to. and you dont go to to a tex mex place and ask for lasagna.

Firedmyass made me fall down with his 'cousin rubbin shed'. i could've hurt myself. dear Lord, that has to be nominated for that EE thingy

Posted by: VinKong at November 1, 2008 11:39 AM

Last night I finally sat down and watched HBO's "True Blood." That little Sookie is a hot piece of ass. I'd love to drive my extremely long and uncommonly thick pole deep inside her. Prisco, I hope you are finished with your disastrous helming of the Top Comment column, if I didn't know any better I would have thought you worked for the competition. On a personal note after Wednesday of this coming week I may not be around for a little while due to some legal issues, if everything goes well I shall return in about six to eight months, god willing. I wish all of you a Happy Thanksgiving and a very Merry Christmas.

Posted by: Pookie at November 1, 2008 12:16 PM

Damn, you guys throw out the sexist card more than I use the race card. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to make a passive-aggressive "massa" remark to the boyfriend for asking me to do the dishes.

Posted by: jM at November 1, 2008 12:19 PM

SOFIA FOR PRESIDENT!!!

Of the WORLD.

Posted by: figgy at November 1, 2008 1:00 PM

As far as sexism goes, this is one of the only forums where the menfolk seem to appreciate the ladies for their humor and opinions rather than treating us like window dressing.

May I also add that drinking beer does not make a woman any more awesome, just bloated and fatter.

Also, any man 25 or younger knows that pretty much every girl talks dirty now because they've caught on to how 'totally sexy and cool' you guys think it is. Now it'd be harder to find a girl who knows when to stop talking like such a sailor and express a somewhat coherent opinion about anything.

Posted by: becks at November 1, 2008 2:02 PM

becks I find myself at a disadvantage, I've never had the pleasure of a women talking dirty to me during those moments of intimacy. Maybe it's because her mouth is full or whatever, but nonetheless I'm very optimistic that one day I'll be able to proclaim that a women talked dirty to me.

Posted by: Pookie at November 1, 2008 2:42 PM

I just need to state for the record that I currently have a massive girl boner for stipe42. That math was hot. Panty-moisteningly hot.

That's probably kind of sexist, huh?

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at November 1, 2008 2:53 PM

I know MY panties are moist, and I don't even wear panties.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 1, 2008 3:14 PM

"May I also add that drinking beer does not make a woman any more awesome, just bloated and fatter."

becks,

That is a bald-faced lie perpetrated by the wine industry ("Drink US, we're HEALTHY for you blah blah blah bite my ass") and MADD (Mothers Against Doing any Drinking whatsogoddamnever bite my ass!) with which and whom you are obviously in cahoots. How much are they paying you to spread your filthy propaganda? Huh? HUH? Fess up, dammit, or I'm coming at you with my waterboard.

Women once were revered as beer-making goddesses and preistesses. Now they've sadly bought into the mass-market advertising deceit that beer is only for swilling frat boys and jocks.

And a lot of that crap is. Of COURSE if you drink a case of (yeeech) Bud a day you're going to bloat. But beer now offers variety in taste that kicks wine's ass, if you're willing to look a little harder and pay a little more. I could point you to dozens of excellent micros that would get you just as hammered in half the time and with a third as much liquid consumed.

In short, don't drink more. Drink better.

Dogfish Head/Victory '08

Posted by: bucdaddy at November 1, 2008 4:04 PM

Sofia is so smart, it's easy to forget she's a lady! Great bazooms, too. I've got a position open, Sofia, if you're looking for a job. Drop in later and I'll give you an interview.

Wear something pretty.

Posted by: Amelia Bedelia at November 1, 2008 6:31 PM

I confess; I couldn't even READ this review in its entirety, because of its raving fanboyism. It just turned my stomach.

I'm sure we've all heard the "OMG KEVIN SMITH IS AWESOME OMG OMG HE IS THE BEST" fanboy rants in person, but the last place I expected to find one is Pajiba, of all people.

And Kevin Smith is overrated. Funny guy, doesn't really make very good movies, save for maybe two in his career. (I liked Dogma, and I'm willing to give you Clerks, if that's your sense of humor). Even Dogma was more ridiculous than ZOMG GROUNDBREAKING OMG. Kevin Smith put his "voice" in movies, but he's not the only writer with that
"voice" and I don't believe he is some metaphorical godfather of a bucketload of crappy movies. If he is, then please - thanks, but no thanks.

Posted by: Anon at November 1, 2008 9:58 PM

My issue with this particular review is that it isn't really even a review. It's a twelve paragraph rant about how awesome Kevin Smith is and how much we should all love him.

Allingsworth, I went back and read the review again - nearly every paragraph is about the film. I don't know if you were just too disgusted with the positive nature of the review to actually read it closely or what, but...you're wrong.

Posted by: Another Jen at November 1, 2008 10:46 PM

Rock on Sofia.

Posted by: Cindy at November 2, 2008 12:13 AM

I'm gonna turn around and claim that of ALL the places where I WOULDN'T expect reactionary and downright reflexive hate on Kevin Smith it'd be Pajiba.

What the fuck is going on here?

1. He's overrated? Huh? Are you fucking kidding me? Overrated is when someone is too highly appraised. Smith has to put up with 75% of people saying he's no good. See his box-office and see the last days on this very site. Who's overrating him?

2. Doesn't make very good movies? By who's standards? As compared to what? His movies are genre of their own, it's a particular voice. Ah, you might not hear that voice? That's your shit. YOU DON'T GET HIM/US, but don't think you got a "movie is no good argument" Uwe Boll doesn't make good movies, Kevin Smith makes movies YOU don't like.
Different paradigms.

3. Dogma: see #2

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 2, 2008 3:48 AM

I am not particularly a fan of Kevin Smith. I really enjoyed the movie.

Posted by: IndigoCoyote at November 2, 2008 4:04 AM

Did I just read a comment that said Chasing Amy wasn't funny? I didn't realise it was meant to be funny. Like in a haha way that Clerks was. Was my take on that movie different to others or did I just 'get' it for what it was? Anyway just be thankful that you get to see it over there. I have to wait until mid January to see it in cinemas. The only set back from living in Australia. Well that and Russell Crowe.

Posted by: Seraf at November 2, 2008 4:34 AM

FYI, if you're looking for a more balanced review, IGN just put up an interesting (and considerably short) review.

PS: I totally don't get why this site loves this movie to pieces, and totally bashed on Pineapple Express. I've never liked Rogen more than I did in PE :(

BarbadoSlim, 75% of people bashing him? You and I must know different people. Nearly everyone in my age group (around here, anyway..) almost pees their pants when someone drops the name 'Kevin Smith'.

And again, I like the guy. I just think (like the IGN reviewer, interestingly) that he's way funnier when he's not writing a movie.

Posted by: Anon at November 2, 2008 5:55 AM

See, why can't I live there, Anon? Is it because I'm in the Midwest? I guess I always assumed it was a cultural wasteland but I'm kind of starting to understand why. No one has seen movies or heard interesting music, if I'm lucky I'll find one person and jealously latch onto them at a party. A girl was dressed as Link last night. A GIRL was Link. And this was not a half-assed "boyfriend-talked-me-into-it" costume. She drew the Tri-Force on my arm! She said she was in a committed relationship, but if it was really committed, shouldn't there be a frat boy dressed as a Hyrulean Princess? Just a tiny oasis in this wasteland.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at November 2, 2008 9:52 AM

I'm guessing everyone's done with this thread, but I had a lot of Halloween stuff this weekend and only just got a chance to return to the site.

I think that the original poster about sexism (and this is just my interpretation after re-reading the paragraph) was upset that the analogy seemed to objectify women as some physical barometer of musicians' talent. Objectification, whether listed in the "dictionary definition" of sexism or not, is definitely sexism. So okay, if you go by that, maybe it's a little latently sexist.

But c'mon, honestly, most women need to stop calling sexism every time a man says one thing that appears to be the slightest bit unequal. Yeah, I'm going to agree that unconsciously embedded social ideas about women's inferiority can negatively play into the gender roles of societal institutions such as the workplace, politics, um.....zzzzzzzzzz...... oh, I'm sorry, I fell asleep under the weight of my own ridiculous pontification. For a second there I forgot this was a MOVIE REVIEW SITE and not my ivory tower grad school philosophy class.

Therefore, I second all of the above eloquent comments of my fellow beer-swilling, potty-mouthed, ass-kicking women. Sexism can suck it... and I'm still going to see this movie.

Posted by: Ariel at November 2, 2008 11:41 AM

Sounds fun, will catch it on DVD most definitely. I haven't seen a Kevin Smith film since the lousy and tragic Silent Bob and whathisname strike back. Oh AND Vulgar which was fuckin' disturbing and made me dislike Kevin Smith for some reason. I'm glad he made a funny little film that's entertaining with Seth Rogen. That's SO cute.

Posted by: ph at November 2, 2008 2:21 PM

Some middle ground here......While I sense that the movie was good, the review above implies that it was great. No flaws, a cinematic masterpiece. Obviously this is a blog about opinions and you got to respect that. But Pajiba has rightfully earned a reputation among a lot of people, not just the main commenter's or eloquents.....
I'm been long, long time lurker reader and I come here everyday (several times a day) for the insightful, well written, funny, but most of all balance reviews......you know even when the movie its liked by the reviewer, in the text you could find some of the flaws of the movie.......
And that's what set apart pajiba from the average movie critic site......that's try to be fair, it really helps when you want to find out it's the movie worth your time, money, buzz, anticipation, etc....it points out the good and the bad......and I think its great that while we can say that pajiba has a solid "fan" base, there are people who say....."hey, that's not a good review....that's a biased point of view"
Even the most liked movies here.... in the analysis you get the low points or the things that not totally work for the reviewer....and that's fantastic....never try to sell the picture.........ultimately I view in pajiba an alternative point of view from the mainstream superficial junk that's out there......and when you find a flaw....you must point that out......be the alternative point of by in the "fan" base that the wonderful writing of this site has created. This review was flawed....and by pointing that out there's hope that this site get better (even more) than it already is.

Posted by: Rul at November 2, 2008 3:05 PM

Well, I tried. I go to the theater, and first I see that their soda fountains are broken, but you can still buy bottles.

Uh huh.

Then I use the kiosk...and it's not even listing the 2:10 showing. I look over at the box office board, and it's still there. And I also see the line for the box office, which is too long at this point.

So I go to Publix, get some microwave popcorn, and eat it along with the rest of my Belhaven cans while continuing with The Wire 5. I'll go next Saturday, alright??? Hell, I saw "Grindhouse" twice its first Saturday and apparently cursed it by doing so.

I've gotten used to the taste of this beer now, and I'm feeling fairly jolly. Hey looka that, Avon's back!

Posted by: Jay at November 2, 2008 3:34 PM

".....and when you find a flaw....you must point that out......be the alternative point of by in the "fan" base that the wonderful writing of this site has created..."


That's all well and good, no problem whatsoever. But, I'd like to stress that my arguments here are directed at the vitriolic lunatics who are just aiming for Smith and not even caring about his work. They just don't like him, period.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 2, 2008 3:37 PM

Seraf, Think that was me. Maybe Smith didn't mean "Amy" to be funny, but my admittedly hazy and distant memory is that it was sold as a comedy. But in any event, I thought the characters were annoying as hell, so, there's that, too.

Optimus,

A girl dressed as Link? From "The Mod Squad"? Now THAT I would like to have seen.

Posted by: bucdaddy at November 2, 2008 4:04 PM

I found that Chasing Amy was a lot funnier than I remembered it when I watched it again after a while. I'd often thought of it as "the one that's not fun". It's still not "Mallrats", but it's certainly not the all-out downer my hazy memory said it was.

Optimus, a friend once said that the rockabilly boys you see around downtown club shows in whatever city are like unicorns, they're not quite real and certainly not attainable, all you can do is look. I think what she said certainly applies to Halloween girls that knock your socks off (same with con girls). Don't take it too hard, Rafterman. It's just business, and you've gotta let it go.

Posted by: Jay at November 2, 2008 4:29 PM

I've really liked everything from Smith except J&SBSB. I loved Chasing Amy. Mallrats was silly and fun. Clerks I and II are lots hold a place dear to my cold, cold heart. Hell, I even liked Jersey Girl.

Zack & Miri? Meh. There were some genuine laugh-out-loud moments in the first 2/3 of the movie. The last bit left me bored and totally unmoved by the interaction between Zack and Miri. I found myself not caring if they reconciled or not.

Full frontal Mewes: damn. Justin Long: really funny.

Posted by: monkeyhateclean at November 2, 2008 7:31 PM

Hey Pookie,
Don't tease, give us some details...Either more about your uncommon pole or the graphic and sexual details of why they are finally locking your ass up. I'm not picky.

Posted by: grinder at November 2, 2008 9:28 PM

Sofia et al.: With all due respect, I think I'm a pretty steady poster and I think most of my posts are generally at least somewhat intelligent. "Sexist" isn't the word I'd have used, as I generally reserve that for more significant things, but I find it interesting that an allegedly bitchy/scathing website's populace jumps all the hell over a poster who suggests that opening a review with wet panties/multiple orgasms might be a *wee* bit fratty or, at the very least, creepy. I am well aware that women with fistulas have more to complain about than I do - that doesn't mean I and others can't question the reviews on this site. I actually think Pajiba is generally exemplary about that stuff, which is why recent posts have been so surprising to me.

Moreover, I would like to see Tyler Perry or Paul Haggis introduce the word "cuntnugget" and see how it goes over on this website.

In conclusion, I'd like to concur with Rul and Allingsworth. This movie, inexplicably, eludes the full Pajiba treatment. I've seen some really excellent movies get absolutely dissected on this site - and I've actually got no problem with that. It's why I come here. This review simply didn't deliver.

Flame away about how oversensitive and anti-wet-panties and anti-orgasm I'm being. I've said my piece.

Posted by: samantha t at November 2, 2008 10:09 PM

I think it was the "spontaneous sorority girl impregnations", y'all. As an indicator of how manly or talented someone is.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: monkey_b at November 2, 2008 10:39 PM

Flame away about how oversensitive and anti-wet-panties and anti-orgasm I'm being. I've said my piece.

I, for one, don't think you are being any of those. But I can see why some folks might find surprise in such a reaction to the intro, considering that the comments section has born witness to much lewder language, a good chunk of which are from (self-avowed) women. If you feel that is bad taste, fine; but I believe most have become used to it, and as such, a mention of soiled underwear due to orgasm barely registers.

Also, it still seems weird that saying women gaining sexual stimulation from music is seen as "fratty" or "creepy". Although, combining it with a review of this movie may have added a level of coloring that otherwise wouldn't be there.

Lastly (and this is to everyone), I think what most folks seem to forget in their rush to scathe and bitch (by the way, I hope nobody was playing the drinking game; they would be dead by now): Prisco, along with the rest of the reviewers, are only human, with human feelings and biases and what have you. Sometimes they will let their fanboyism get the best of them, just like sometimes they will let a bad movie develop into an unhealthy grudge *cough*Haggis*cough*. There is no reason to feel so vehemently about a movie review, regardless of what side you are on.

So take a deep breath, count to 10, and then ask yourself: is it really worth it to complain about a review about a movie that, with good chance, you already made up your mind up about? Because while there are several passionate comments for or against, not a lot of them came from folks who actually....you know....watched the movie.

Besides, do you really want to put yourself in a position where BarbadoSlim seems reasonable by comparison? Do you?

P.S. If any of you start trying to defend Uwe Boll, however, then any rights to opinion or procreation are revoked.

Posted by: Vermillion at November 2, 2008 10:45 PM

It's nothing major grinder, and I don't really want to bore you with the details. Let's just say if the judge stays within the guidelines I'm looking at probation.

Posted by: Pookie at November 2, 2008 10:54 PM

"There is no reason to feel so vehemently about a movie review, regardless of what side you are on."

Get the fuck out of here V with that bullshit you're talking, let a motherfucking Tyler Perry movie get reviewed here at pajiba and let's see how non-vehemently your ass becomes.

"So take a deep breath, count to 10, and then ask yourself: is it really worth it to complain about a review about a movie that, with good chance, you already made up your mind up about?"

Nice, another fucking precept you've successfully pulled out of your ass. Do as I say and not as I do, right V? You're such a pompous ass with your pronouncements from on high. You walk around pajiba like you're Moses walking down from the mountain top with your grand instructions.

Posted by: Pookie at November 2, 2008 11:16 PM

Okay Pookie,
I'll take you word for it and just let my (very fertile) imagination run a little wild.

Posted by: grinder at November 2, 2008 11:34 PM

After reading this review, I have to ask (out loud this time, not just in my head)

Dustin, what drugs are you on? Why is Brian Prisco still writing for the site? If he's a childhood friend, I'll give him a pass, a la Entourage's Turtle.

If not, man, you need to screen your critics better. I'm semi-done with Pajiba after the last couple of years and the additions that've been made.

Posted by: Quirky- at November 3, 2008 12:36 AM

Huge speciation for this movie I love it from the word go. Wow it was not about the porn. Some might get the feeling that is sexual packed movie. No way has this movie explained lots about the life challenges. They are finding solutions with making porno. Biggest case is they don't know really how to do it. Enjoyed much as I could, well made movie Zack and Miri Make a Porno saw it by reliable site http://www.80millionmoviesfree.com

Posted by: Chamika Radfer at November 3, 2008 1:44 AM

Just got back from seeing this. It was pretty much the tits. (See? I'm sexist too. I wrote that statement based on the unspecified premise of "tits=hooray!" That's demeaning. I feel awful.)

This is Kevin Smith's best movie. He did a much better job of not shoving his long speeches into places where they didn't belong. Like, in this movie, when two guys are bullshitting back and forth there's actually a back and forth. It's not 5 minute rant followed bu his buddy going "Oh, yeah? Well.." and then another 5 minute rant. Some of those rants are funny but they always felt like they were forced into the movie and he could have spread them out and still gotten the same laughs. Everybody loves his dialogue and I think he took it to the next level with this flick. Well done, sir.

Oh and uh....I don't really care much about how a movie looks visually if it's a comedy so I can't speak to that. This one, like many others, was in color. Not just one color either, there were others.

I thought the review was funny. That's all i got. MCCAIN '08!

Posted by: Billowing Backpacks at November 3, 2008 3:02 AM

independent of which side of the Kevin Smith line you are on, I think we can all agree that Chamika Radfer's post is probably the best thing to happen to the internet ever.

Posted by: anonymous coward at November 3, 2008 7:05 AM

Besides, do you really want to put yourself in a position where BarbadoSlim seems reasonable by comparison? Do you?

Posted by: Vermillion at November 2, 2008 10:45 PM

Mmmmmmm, ah! I see what you did there little man.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 3, 2008 7:21 AM

Get the fuck out of here V with that bullshit you're talking, let a motherfucking Tyler Perry movie get reviewed here at pajiba and let's see how non-vehemently your ass becomes.

Oh, you know, it could be that I have learned to let go of such vitriol. You know, changing myself and whatnot. Having learned from those encounters I have seen that it really isn't healthy.

Do I now like Tyler Perry movies? Nope. Will I still make jokes about them? Most likely. But will I waste massive amounts of time arguing with someone who is steadfast in their opinion about it (hint)? Not at all. I will make a wisecrack and then walk away. No real point in getting so riled up over any of it, really.

You have a nice day, okay?

Posted by: Vermillion at November 3, 2008 7:48 AM

The highest form of sexism that I can find on this page is in the comments. Why is it always women attacking women over claims of sexism? "Oh I drink beer and I'm sexy and this isn't sexist..." Ummm, okay, good for you, but one pillar of feminist thought is building a female community that doesn't reject others because of their race, sexual orientation or feminist opinions.
I'm not sure if that made any sense at all. It is Monday after all. But all the "SEXIST? THIS? R U JOKING?" replies just gave me the heebiejeebies. It was one person who said that. ONE PERSON!.... grrrr, anger.... must go drink beer.
And, to say something about the actual review: Meh, I don't know. I'll go see it. The only Kevin Smith film I've ever seen is Dogma.

Posted by: Sofia at November 3, 2008 9:41 AM

Another Sofía! Awesome!

You can tell us apart by the accent on the "i." And by the rage in our words.

Posted by: Sofía at November 3, 2008 9:54 AM

It's Monday afternoon here now. So it's either anger (rage is such a powerful word) or depressed despair...
Sofia is an awesome name. "Wisdom" - eh, eh?

Posted by: Sofia at November 3, 2008 9:59 AM

I saw the movie Saturday night. I thought it was good and I did plenty of laughing, but it didn't feel like a Kevin Smith movie. It felt more like a Judd Apatow movie with Jason Mewes and Randal...and unfortunately, Kevin Smith's wife. He really needs to stop giving her speaking parts. Her voice is like a monotone valley girl. Not to mention she makes me prefer the acting talents of Jessica Alba.

And the teenagers saying "cuntnugget" wasn't that funny. It just seemed forced. Actually, a lot of the "fucks", "shits", "cocks", "cunts", etc. seemed forced. They didn't have the same casualness that they did in his other movies.

Posted by: Dave at November 3, 2008 10:09 AM

I've got a few more pennies in my pocket, so here's 2 more cents worth:

1. I know we all love Dustin, Prisco, etc., with all of our black, tar-covered little hearts, but they shouldn't be above criticism, right? I mean, this IS an open forum, and everyone is allowed to voice an opinion, correct? So sometimes I like Prisco's reviews - quite a bit. And sometimes I don't - like in this instance. And that should be okay. I'd like to think we are all (commenters and reviewers) adults that can handle criticism, particularly when it only comes intermittently and is broken up by quite a bit of positive feedback and praise. So I really don't respect or appreciate the comments telling me and others to go to another site because we happen to criticize a particular review or part of a particular review. I'm not personally attacking Prisco - - I think he's a smart guy who has interesting opinions on items of pop culture. I'm merely voicing an opinion on one particular thing he's written. No need to get so bent out of shape about it. No need to yell at people to get off the site. First of all, nobody is going to leave because you say so - because honestly, who the fuck are you?? - and secondly, you're adding nothing to the dialogue. Disagree, fine. But disagree on the merits and use your brain a little bit. PROVE me wrong, tell me why the review was spot-on and why the movie lived up to ever accolade heaped upon it - - but don't just throw a temper tantrum and tell me to GO AWAY because I said something you don't like. That's just lame and it makes you look like an ass.
2. I saw this movie this weekend, and I'll admit: I laughed quite a bit. It was funny. I liked it. However, it wasn't the cinematic masterpiece it's painted as in the review, and I really think the review was colored by the close encounter Pajiba had with Mr. Smith a while back. That's my opinion, and it's fine if you disagree, but that's just how I see it. And personally, I think it's a good thing if people voice their criticisms of the reviews, because the reviewers do actually pay attention. I think most of them are extremely intelligent, thoughtful, and careful about their work on this site. So it's okay if we try to keep 'em honest when we see something we don't like. I don't think they mind. They might ignore it or they might take it into consideration, but that's their choice, and it needn't be your personal mission in life to censor comments on their behalf.
3. I don't personally find the first paragraph offensive, but I suppose I can see how someone could. Again, why jump all over somebody for voicing an opinion? Come up with an argument for why you think it isn't sexist if you disagree - - don't just shout and hurl insults at someone who happens to see it differently.

Posted by: tt_marie at November 3, 2008 11:15 AM

"...but I suppose I can see how someone could. Again, why jump all over somebody for voicing an opinion? Come up with an argument for why you think it isn't sexist if you disagree ..."


Now, now, you KNOW that statement is more than a little disingenuous. Isn't it? Almost everyone who "jumped" on that post argued why they didn't consider it so.

So please.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 3, 2008 12:58 PM

stipe42? Marry me?

I loved this movie. Amen.

Posted by: red at November 3, 2008 1:18 PM

Notice I didn't say EVERYONE was doing it...just some. Examples:

"Two, GET OVER yourselves with the whole sexism thing. This review was not sexist. Go nitpick somewhere else. I'm one of those girls that can talk dirty, loves beer, and looks pretty."

"Just read all the comments and jeeeebus. Is sexism the new racism at Pajiba? Are people going to start screaming sexism at anything? It's idiotic. People who see sexism everywhere make us good feminists look bad. Shut the hell up."

Posted by: tt_marie at November 3, 2008 1:43 PM

Went to see this on a 3rd date and we both laughed our asses off!!!

And I would go see it again tonight if I could.

Posted by: Alli at November 3, 2008 2:19 PM

I liked Dogma.......

Posted by: Bethy at November 3, 2008 3:27 PM

tt_marie, you're so hot right now. My panties are wet, I think I might be pregnant... and the nearby Starbucks is making this weird groaning, rumbling sound.

Posted by: monkey_b at November 3, 2008 7:50 PM

P.S. Oh, I just realized that I haven't even commented on the movie yet.

Honestly? It was okay. I chuckled here and there and even laughed my ass off during the Brandon St. Randy waaaaay better.

Posted by: monkey_b at November 3, 2008 7:54 PM

What the shit. That should read:

"... the Brandon St. Randy + Bobby Long scene, but... meh? Liked, not loved."

Posted by: monkey_b at November 3, 2008 7:56 PM

Huge speciation for this movie I love it from the word go. Wow it was not about the porn. Some might get the feeling that is sexual packed movie. No way has this movie explained lots about the life challenges. They are finding solutions with making porno. Biggest case is they don't know really how to do it. Enjoyed much as I could, well made movie Zack and Miri Make a Porno saw it by reliable site http://www.80millionmoviesfree.com

Posted by: frandoser at November 5, 2008 4:31 AM

I started reading this review at 10pm on Friday night, and without even finishing the review, I dragged my husband to the next showing. And we both loved it.

Posted by: Melissa at November 5, 2008 1:31 PM

I saw this movie.

And I liked it.

It was a--wait for it--sweet love story.

So, if you enjoy dropping the F-Bomb in every sentence, porn, and scatological humour, this is the date movie for you!

Posted by: Canada at November 5, 2008 6:01 PM

My word is good, Dustin. I saw it today, it was still there, plus they'd fixed the soda fountain.

Yeah, I have pretty much the same sentiments. I hadn't read the whole review until now because Pajiba does essays, and not capsules (and you tell me to stay after the credits way down the page within a spoiler section? JEEZ!). I might not give it as perfect a score as Brian, but I don't disagree.

Masterful use of "Hey". Masterful.

It's known that both myself and Kevin are utter softies, and I can't "keep perspective", so I naturally left feeling all warm and mushy.

Plus, being set in the dead of winter, Elizabeth Banks is wearing winter clothes, which was a nice bonus. Hurray for winter clothes and their profound cuddliness!

Posted by: Jay at November 8, 2008 4:51 PM

This movie was hilarious. I saw it last night for my birthday and my boyfriend and I were laughing extremely loud, as was the rest of our packed theater.
Justin Long was the funniest character, I think he really needs to stick to these bit parts, or gay porn.

I was raised on Kevin Smith(the benefits of being the baby girl in a family with three boys) and this movie did feel like it- even though it wasn't New Jersey, and there was no Dante or Affleck or Joey Lauren Adams.

The part after the credits was amazing as well. One of the funniest movies I have seen in a really long time, with a lot more heart too.

Posted by: Liz at November 9, 2008 2:13 PM

Saw it this afternoon. There were 2 other couples in the entire theater at noon on a Sunday. I know it's been out a week but...damn. Madagascar 2 was on 4 screens and seemed to have all been sold out.

That said, Zack & Miri is definitely Kevin's most professional movie and there are a lot of good laughs. Seemed like a lot was left out though, I'm already looking forward to the 2 disc mega edition with an hour of deleted scenes.

Posted by: TylerDFC at November 9, 2008 4:26 PM

Monkey_b said "Honestly? It was okay. I chuckled here and there "

And I have to agree, it was amusing, but it wasn't great, some was even pretty bad, and a lot of the line delveries seemed very forced.

Posted by: lea at November 14, 2008 2:51 PM

Pittsburgh locale? Vintage Kevin Smith. No wait . . .

Weak review.

Posted by: -tom at November 19, 2008 2:55 PM

I finally saw this movie today and I found it pretty uneven.

That being said, I cried my fucking eyes out 2 times. I actually had to look away during Zack and Miri's sex scene because it was too much for me. I never expected to cry in a Kevin Smith movie, but there we go.

Posted by: Park at November 29, 2008 10:48 PM

This movie was a big bucket of shit peppered with stinky chunks of contrived dialogue and poor acting.

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