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Untraceable / Agent Bedhead

Film Reviews | January 26, 2008 | Comments (109)


Let me know if you’ve heard this one. On the highway, a frustrating blockage of traffic finally parts to reveal the source of the obstruction, a fatal car accident. Some of you keep your gaze straight ahead and keep on driving, but many will gawk — even if just for a moment — at the dead body stretched out on the concrete. In a completely different scenario, maybe you couldn’t help but watch a couple of internet-broadcasted beheadings of journalists at the hands of Muslim extremists. To switch gears even further, perhaps you’re one of the millions of people who have checked out pictures taken by paparazzi who point their cameras into starlets’ skirts. The providers of this latter sort of imagery often act innocent, as if they’re only giving the public what it wants. Look at us, sacrificing our good name to entertain you, the demanding public. You are forcing us to take these indecent actions. Yet these photo agencies and tabloids certainly don’t mind cashing in on our seeming inability to stop looking. Unfortunately, this last scenario comes closest, not in subject matter but in spirit, to the attitude of Untraceable. This film incriminates its own existence, but it also adds the following caveat: The collective “we” have demanded this horrifying mess of a glorified snuff film.

Director Gregory Hoblit (Fracture, Primal Fear) has woven a sordid and highly derivative tale that, presumably, shall awaken us to the true horror of our voyeuristic tendencies. Apparently, the collective “we” no longer can separate the concepts of right and wrong, and thus, we are in need of this sort of film as a jolt to our hidden humanity. The problem is that, to make its point, Untraceable preys upon every cliché of the seldom celebrated torture-porn subgenre. The audience is subjected to lengthy close-ups of the victims’ suffering, but at the same time, the film attempts to distance itself by pointing its bloody mouse right back at the viewer. To some degree, this sanctimonous attitude should piss us off.

The film is set in dreary Portland, Oregon, where the FBI’s cybercrime division receives a bona fide concerning a serial killer that has a psychopathic preoccupation with his sitemeter. This cretin has set up a snuff website that, somehow, accelerates his victims’ deaths with increased web traffic. Naturally, the site quickly goes viral, and as more people visit, the killer’s victims die faster. Soon, millions of viewers tune in the live-streamed murders that are broadcast in very graphically detailed and brutal sequences of torture. At first, the killer starts out with a tiny, mewing kitten who meets a grisly death, but the killer quickly and predictably progresses on to human victims. One luckless man is intravenously pumped full of blood-thinning medication. Another meets his end under the blistering, burning heat of sunlamps. Still another gets the spa treatment in a bath of sulfuric acid. The lucky federal agent assigned to this case is Special Agent Jennifer Marsh (Diane Lane), who becomes unnerved when she cannot, as per her usual method, take the killer’s site down with a few keystrokes. Despite the work of Jennifer and her partner, Eric (Billy Burke), this particular site seems to reroute itself at will, and the killer also seems to have found a solid fanbase on his message board. Scattered amongst the online snuff clips, the film also presents, for our viewing pleasure, news footage of a graphic suicide involving a man shooting his own brains out and tumbling from a bridge. If this sounds disgusting, it damn well should.

While it’s quite easy to dismiss Untraceable for its double-talking jive, the harder truth is that this just isn’t a very good film. With a perpetually clenched jaw, Diane Lane flatly rattles off paragraphs of tech-oriented jargon that nobody really understands or cares about. The assumptions made about technology are also pretty ridiculous, like when the killer manages to gain control of Jennifer’s car. Even more illogical is how the young Marsh daughter is allowed to roam freely on the internet even after Jennifer herself has witnessed the lowest trenches of cyberspace. The daughter surfs unsupervised into chatrooms with webcams that are fully operational. The killer even manages to lure Jennifer’s daughter into a private chat and broadcasts corresponding footage on the site. Somehow, even though Lane’s cyber-detective goes to great lengths to protect the public, she is incredibly stupid when it comes to protecting her own family. The filmmakers also send a mixed message concerning the killer’s ultimate fate, which seems bizarre in regard to the amount of moralization that takes place throughout the film. Finally, the predictable ending lacks any sort of conclusive justice that any audience would expect.

The moral implication of Untraceable is that the millions of visitors to the killer’s site have become accessories to these murders. Accordingly, these willing participants have probably reassured themselves that their single visit, out of millions, had very little impact upon any particular victim’s life span. The filmmakers don’t make conclusions about how or why these justifications occur, since the spectators obviously watched the victims endure great pain. To reiterate, the scenes of brutality and gore are protracted beyond belief. Perhaps this is all meant to send an all-important message about our dumpster of a society, but obviously this crap is also a circus act meant to draw more asses into seats. Detective Marsh tries to warn the public not to visit the snuff site, and by extension, her message seems to be that nobody should watch a film like Untraceable. Obviously, that’s not what any film studio wants, but this film cannot seem to resolve its own set of intentions. Yet at the end of it all, Untraceable feels quite comfortable placing the blame upon its own audience.

Hopefully, the backlash against this so-called torture porn has already progressed to a point where the public won’t attend this finger-wagging monstrosity of a film. Would we ever, without Hollywood wagging its finger towards us, know that craving this sort of violent, disgusting film is wrong? Yeah, I think so.

Agent Bedhead (a.k.a. “Kimberly”) lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma and can be found at agentbedhead.com.









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Comments

I've never been a fan of torture porn, so I figure I'm not the intended audience anyway. Although, even if it wasn't torture porny, still completely passable.

TMax, feel free to gush about Diane Lane!

Posted by: Daphne at January 25, 2008 9:07 PM

i like how every preview i've seen for this movie on tv proclaims it to be the next "silence of the lambs." last time i checked silence of the lambs wasn't a torture-porn snuff film.
silence of the lambs actually contained this odd thing called "substance".

Posted by: citizen_cris at January 25, 2008 9:17 PM

I stopped reading at the kitten part. No FUCKING WAY am I watching a kitten die. Fuckers.

Posted by: Costello at January 25, 2008 9:49 PM

So,is Colin Hanks the killer, or what? No wait, the internet is calling FROM THE BASEMENT!

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at January 25, 2008 10:36 PM

Yeah, the tiny, mewing kitten got me too. No fucking way.

Posted by: Kolby at January 25, 2008 11:15 PM

KITTEN torture porn? Seriously? What the fuck is next, on-screen baby butchering?

What a premise, though... a website that somehow accelerates his victims' deaths with increased web traffic.

Jesus, ALRIGHT, Vermillion. I'm SORRY about the damn zombie jokes. Talk about getting carried away.

Posted by: TK at January 25, 2008 11:30 PM

Hollywood cannot get the whole internet thing right at all. Remember the ridiculousness of "The Net" which was what 10, 12 years ago? Seems like they still can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that "internet" and "thriller" should not exist in the same film treatment. But instead they add yet another ingredient to an already piss poor mix: torture porn.

I could smell the stench from this concoction the minute the trailer started.

Besides the fact that "Untraceable" looks ridiculous as hell, the galldarn animal death is a total deal breaker for me. A kitten death to boot. Now that's some vile, repugnant shit right there.

And how many "Un-" movies is Diane Lane going to make?

Posted by: Alabamapink at January 25, 2008 11:32 PM

Ditto the kitten. :-[ Don't fuck with the kittens, damn it.

Posted by: Gabs at January 25, 2008 11:33 PM

There's no point in making movies condemning people for watching the snuff film/torture porn movies. No fucking point. Because, the thing is, if you're stupid/shallow enough to get enjoyment out of torture porn films to begin with, you're not going to get the message.

Really, anyone who enjoys that kind of crap is just going to watch this film, let it rattle around in their piss-filled brains, and not interpret anything but, "I lahk dis movie cuz they killed people and there wuz boobies!"

Those of us already intelligent enough to know those types of movies are sick pseudo-psycho bullshit already know that it's wrong.

Posted by: marty at January 26, 2008 12:33 AM

"I Am Legend" = dog getting eaten, maybe, cause Will Smith takes his clothes off (and I choose to enjoy that and not think about him worshiping aliens alongside Tom Cruise and saying it's basically what the Bible says). But "Untraceable" = kitten torture... please. I have two cats, if anyone touches them, I will inflict inhuman amounts of pain in ways no one have thought of before. Uh wait I'm making a torture porn movie of my own, right now in my head...

Posted by: Irina at January 26, 2008 12:57 AM

I missed a comma in the last sentence. Or did I put one too many? It's 7 AM here, sorry.

Posted by: Irina at January 26, 2008 2:29 AM

Let me guess. The Gay Leprechaun did it.

Posted by: JP at January 26, 2008 3:28 AM

Jesus, ALRIGHT, Vermillion. I'm SORRY about the damn zombie jokes. Talk about getting carried away.

Thank you. Wait a sec...why are you apologizing all of a sudden? I didn't post anything about it until this morning.

I really want to know where do they get the script advisers for stuff like this when it comes to technology and the Internet. I mean, it is technically possible to hack any computer, even one in a car, but the difficulty in doing is quite prohibitive.

I am not even touching the "daughter playing on the net alone" topic, it is just too infuriating.

So what is the deal? Do they just guess what stuff can do? Is there some doofus who took a course at the Learning Annex and now fancies himself a computer expert?

And you want to know the really messed up part. I bet you ten bucks Diane Lane is going to have to actually promote this film by saying how realistic and interesting the technology was in the movie. When she does, I will have to cry, because they made one of my favorite MILFs say something so stupid.

In case you didn't know, I take my movie tech with a huge grain of salt.

Posted by: Vermillion at January 26, 2008 6:12 AM

Due to poor formatting, my joke didn't really take off, Verm. I meant that-

Oh, fuck it.

[shuffle, shuffle]

Verrrr.... milll... ionnnn...

Posted by: TK at January 26, 2008 8:06 AM

Internet thrillers, almost by definition, cannot work, because they require the main character(s) to spend an inordinate amount of screen time sitting at computers. There's no movement (fingers on a keyboard doesn't count), no visual interest, and the dialogue is usually nothing more than plot explication. Bor-ing.

Posted by: sansho1 at January 26, 2008 8:59 AM

Dammit! Leave me alone, you bastard!

Posted by: Vermillion at January 26, 2008 9:26 AM

Cracked.com did a great list of 10 movies that show that hollywood has no idea how the internet works (including 'the network'). Matched by 10 movies that are better for being grossly historically inacurate.

Posted by: ChrisD at January 26, 2008 9:31 AM

Oh good, I thought we'd given up. That chick at the Stop N Go really didn't fill me up like I thought she would.

*cough, cough*

I huuuuungreeeeeeeeeeee....Sooooooooo huuungreeeee

Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh....

Posted by: Alabamapink at January 26, 2008 9:35 AM

I really had no idea what kind of review this movie was going to get, nor did I much care up to this point. Basically, my tunnel vision has been entirely focused on Diane Lane alone, and I certainly wouldn't argue that she's been in more crappy films ('Streets of Fire', 'Judge Dredd' w/ Stallone, 'Six Pack' w/Kenny Rogers *ugh*- need I go further?) than decent ones ('A Little Romance', 'Unfaithful', 'Hollywoodland'). Hell, I won't even try to defend her (lack of) acting abilities, although when she's in the right vehicle it always makes it extra-special to me.

My biggest dissapointment is that this will be another Diane Lane film that I won't actually drag my ass to a movie theater to see, adding it to my tiny list of Lane movies that I didn't see on the big screen (seven at last count, and considering she's been in dozens, that's saying something, I believe).

So many others on here have already got it right, that I haven't much left to argue with: I too cannot tolerate all these 'torture-porn' flicks, and if the 'Saw' and 'Hostel' franchises aren't getting my money, then this one won't either... well, not ruling out Netflix..

But man, I loves me some Diane Lane- I've got a 5-minute loop of her Neutrogena commercial on DVD, how messed up is that?!? Yeah, I paid to see 'Must Love Dogs' three times at the cinema, what of it? But I guess I should draw the line somewhere, and it took Agent Bedhead's scathing review to help me decide that.

Claude, I put the term 'MILF' up there with 'moist' and 'panties' as my least-favorite words; however, I grudgingly agree with everything you said, and I haven't been lucky enough to catch her on a talk show regarding this film, so I won't start crying over that yet.

And Marty, can you clarify for me if the "boobies" you mentioned in your post are indeed Diane's own pleasure mounds? Just curious. (Hmmm, hates 'MILF' but uses "pleasure mounds," how interesting. Or not).

Oh well, I guess it's back to watching 'Under the Tuscan Sun' for at least the eighth time. People, 2008 is just not shaping up to be a decent year for me. I self-pityingly slink away now...

Posted by: TMax at January 26, 2008 10:30 AM

Yum, just what I needed to start my morning, images of a dead kitten. I see Dick Cheney has decided to start a web page.

Posted by: Kamakazi Feminist at January 26, 2008 10:32 AM

In my quest not to appear faggoty, I don't like cats.

Posted by: Pookie at January 26, 2008 10:54 AM

*sigh*

Classics Week is over already? It went by in a blink, didn't it?

*sigh*

Posted by: Jerce at January 26, 2008 11:11 AM

isnt this just a re-hashing of countless movies made in the early noughties, many of which where themselves remakes of japanese horror movies?
Also, i've lost count of the number of TV shows that have done the same thing, Without a Trace had an episode with a Paris Hilton style...well i wont say socialite because 'Society' implies class of a sort and...well...but Pap Whore seems extreme...either or, an Heiress with no substance but lotsa cash gets kidnapped and put on a website with a viral camera feed. the website lets visitors vote on whether HiltonLite lives or dies.
Then there was that Dorf vehicle...fucks its name...either way it was of a similar if more supernatural vein, a serial killer had murdered a woman years before and recorded it online, some how her ghost(or something)escaped into the internet and would hang out in websites, posting unclosable pop ups to people giving a hint of what the site contained...it'd ask if they wanted to see more, or see a ghost and when they clicked on the site, essentially mimicking the behaviour of the nutters who had watched her murder some years before, they would, in true Ringu style curse themselves and be given seven days to live after being driven fucking MENTAL by what they saw.
the only thing that made that pile of crap interesting was Stephen Dorff being pretty and the added vindictiveness of the ghost-she'd come after you even if you saw the site by accident, literally glanced at the screen in passing.
Either way, one, Hollywood is so far behind on this whole 'the evils of online voyeurism' shit that it makes my teeth hurt, and they cant even come up with an interesting plot for the damn thing. something like this could actually work if they ditched this ridiculous torture porn bullshit. i've never understood torture porn, its not disturbing, its not intelligent as a device/sub genre(incidentally, what the FUCK is it classed as?? cos i refuse to accept it as its own genre)
The idea of the peoples influence, one websites influence on the world around it is an interesting one. Look at Perezhilton-I'll hold up my hand and say i visit that site, even occasionally comment, not out of shrieking 'OMG luk at BrtnYSS heerrrr? she is sooooo coowell, lovezzzz' style fangirlishness but out of sheer morbid, carcrash rubbernecking curioisty. what makes that site so frustrating (among many MANY other things) is that literally thousands of the visitors to that site either attend just to be the first poster about a new article(there where 'FIRST!!!' posts on the first reports of Heath Ledgers passing,sick, vapid fucks)or they regularly visit, read articles about Shitney Spears then call Perez Hilton out for continuing to post about her every five minutes. yet they come back and its because they keep coming back that he continues to post updates on the hags downfall.
a film like this would be way more interesting if it had some kind of political basis. i know that shits all over the little man, the average joes who are tortured to death on these sites but imagine a film like this where visiting the site, or voting etc would lead the killer to assasinate a high profile political figure.
imagine how many people would vote on a website like that based around our prime minister or your president or of course, fictional representations of the two?
a website who's popularity could literally change the face of the country, that would be an interesting film if done right.
this shit though, kill a kitten, kill a man, kill a pretty girl, its hollywood again misunderstanding these kooky InterWebzz and glamourising the slow painful death of attractive victims.
Gah.i need some good films to come out and soon or my head'll explode...im gonna see sweeney todd tomorrow. Johnny and Helena can sing my blues away.

Posted by: nadine at January 26, 2008 11:14 AM

Seriously, a sulfuric acid bath? Gross.

Posted by: Lannie at January 26, 2008 11:43 AM

Hmm, interesting. I can't comment on this horror sub-genre, because I'm embarassingly squeamish and wussy. Elle Fanning challenged me to bare-knuckle it behind the train station, and I ran, and ran, and ran.

That Hilton one could make something interesting, but I imagine it would be botched if someone actually did that. I didn't see it, but I never heard anything positive about that AMERCIAN DREAMZ STAR BLITZZZ ENTERPRISES film. Same goes for that MAN OF THE YEAR movie-- another film I didn't see. You see, I'd have to leave my Haagen Dazs-adjacent apartment for movie-viewing to happen. You can see the bind I'm in.

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at January 26, 2008 11:50 AM

I mean, it is technically possible to hack any computer, even one in a car, but the difficulty in doing is quite prohibitive.

When we saw the trailer for this, about half the audience in a full auditorium laughed derisively at the bit where Diane Lane says, "He's hacked into my car's computer!" Is it technically possible to do this remotely? We're not talking about a Macbook with wireless service here -- it's a computer in much the same sense that a DVD player is a computer, i.e., there's a purpose-specific set of software and sensors that can't really be re-tasked for much beyond degrading your gas mileage.

Then he starts talking to her on the radio because -- oh my god! -- he's seized control of the Land Cruiser's HAL 9000.

"What are you doing, Diane?"

[Diane gets out to change tire.]

"I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Diane."

[Hal 9000 flips open tailgate, launching Diane into traffic.]

I'm hesitant to dignify this film and its conceit with these questions, but even if it is possible to hack her car, what's he going to do? Change the radio to the easy listening station, then lock the doors, trapping her inside to the symphonic instrumental version of REO Speedwagon's "Can't Fight This Feelin'"?

Cracked was right: These idiots need to stay away from the internet -- it's hard to feel suspense or horror when the villain is threatening you with the equivalent of a rolled up newspaper. Pah.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at January 26, 2008 11:54 AM

This movie was doomed the minute they decided to film it in Portland. We are incapable of putting out good movies. Some of the ones off the top of my head...Body Of Evidence and The Hunted. Although Thumbsucker was pretty good, but that was filmed in the suburbs and looks like it could have been made anywhere that has a lot of trees. One was recently made here with Jennifer Aniston, which does not fill me with hope that the trend will be bucked.

Posted by: katy at January 26, 2008 11:58 AM

I'm the Ugly American, I accept this fact. Not as a badge of honor but as a fact. My corruption began as a search for the meaning of life. Now as I look back and try to pinpoint the exact place and time of my corruption, I'm coming to the sad realization that it might be porn related.

Posted by: Pookie at January 26, 2008 11:59 AM

So Untraceable is a torture porn flick, not being marketed as a torture porn flick so the audience doesn't go "Not another Saw!!!", that blames the audience for the continued existence of torture porn?

I'd say torture porn has jumped the shark, but that's an insult to Captivity. Maybe Untraceable marks where torture porn takes the shark out for coffee and a croissant at a Starbucks, so they can point out how they are such good people for buying Ethos water unlike the theatergoers who get a sick rush out of films like Untraceable.

Posted by: Robert at January 26, 2008 12:20 PM

Porn and that durned heavy metal music that kids are listening to now'days, right Pookie? Is that black trench coat being worn to cover something else up?

Posted by: katy at January 26, 2008 12:22 PM

Oh, and by the way AB, as the mother of a toddler I love the title of this review.

Posted by: katy at January 26, 2008 12:39 PM

Socalled, you provided a much-needed belly laugh for me after being depressed enough to have to go back to bed this morning.

Diane Lane really reached her peak in what might have been just a fortunate bit of casting, in 'Unfaithful' a few years back, but she was never in the big-bucks range of a Julia Roberts or Angelina Jolie- she's had to really work to make her way as an actress for over 30 years. She even quit for a few years in the 90's & stayed with her Mom in Georgia.

Just sayin' that although she's still my one true love (and I have great stories going back decades to back it up- I'm that old), maybe it's time that Diane just reinvented herself in a new TV show produced by some real talent, so she doesn't have to go back to this kinda crap.

Anyway, at least her asshole husband Josh Brolin is getting some work now, let HIM pay the bills for awhile.

[Hey, I didn't say she had good taste in men, or else I'D be the one calling Barbra Streisand my mother-in-law.]

Posted by: TMax at January 26, 2008 1:02 PM

The ex Mr TheOdd and I used to pass time in particularly boring (usually quantum physics themed) lectures by listing the five worst ways to die: a sulphuric acid bath was one of them. Also on the list: drowning in superglue (think about how it would burn, being eaten alive by underfed hamsters, being planed to death and being crushed by a steamroller - feet first. I maintain that you'd pass out through shock on the last one so it doesn't really count but he insisted on leaving it on the list.

Posted by: Alex the Odd at January 26, 2008 1:44 PM

I used to be a member of one of the godmothers of all shock sites (since removed by simpering do-gooders, beginning with the German --- yes, German -- censors) so I'm familiar with the sort of people who would pull the trigger on these victims. Not surprisingly, most of us were ordinary folks: housewives, artists, medical professionals, cops, military, businessmen, blue collar types, etc Most of us would have looked at the site in Untraceable, at least once, but very few of us would have gone there knowing a defenseless animal -- particularly a kitten -- was about to be wasted. I've seen beheadings, burn victims, war casualties, drowned bodies, eviscerations, decayed corpses, et al but somehow killing a cat crosses the line. I remember one particular sick fuck who was posting animal torture clips he had made and how quickly the owner of the site took them down and notified the authorities (by way of the kid's IP info) about this. I'm not sure how quickly the owner would have reacted in an Untraceable sort of situation though; even after a couple of members threatened suicide, some possibly even succeeding because we never heard from them again. : (.

Posted by: Matt at January 26, 2008 1:46 PM

What a shame. Diane Lane is hot.

Posted by: jvon at January 26, 2008 1:52 PM

I knew this movie would be part of the Ridiculous Tech genre when one of the lines in the preview was something like "He got all the way through my wireless router!!" I didn't realize it was Torture Porn too. Now I won't even see it for the unintentional hilarity. Killing kittens? Come on, that's just low.

Posted by: JanetFaust at January 26, 2008 2:27 PM

[Hey, I didn't say she had good taste in men, or else I'D be the one calling Barbra Streisand my mother-in-law.]

Wait, wouldn't that mean that you married Josh Brolin instead of Diane? Unless she and Barbra are related some other way that I am not aware of.

Posted by: Vermillion at January 26, 2008 2:29 PM

Diane Lane, how could you?

Posted by: idiosynchronic at January 26, 2008 2:29 PM

S'ok TK, I understood where you were going with your joke... but poor Vermillion, I hope you have a zombie survival kit (it will save you).

Posted by: IamKateness at January 26, 2008 2:58 PM

Sorry Claude, should have said 'stepmother', right??

Oh, I've already posted too much here.

Posted by: TMax at January 26, 2008 3:23 PM

I did not get that there was torture porn in this movie from the trailors! All I saw was someone getting a death drip, which I assumed was something Dr Death would use. There was a slight chance someone might have talked me into seeing this, and I would have been subjected to an acid bath and kitten mutilation. You have provided a valuable public service Agent Bedhead, and I thank you so much for it. I can't even imagine the nightmares I would have if I had seen this movie.

Posted by: Agente Provocatrice at January 26, 2008 4:14 PM

Portland is not dreary! This was filmed in the spring and it was a pretty nice spring for Portland... I'm saying this as it's raining so much outside I could barely see 10 feet ahead of me while driving to work today.

I'm pretty dissapointed. This movie sounded and looked really interesting. I knew people would be killed....but kittens. You sick bastard. I figured the killer had already progressed to people, what with going all out with a website and all.

Posted by: Kay at January 26, 2008 4:46 PM

Nope. Not seeing a movie that tortures kittens. I don't like torture porn anyway, but come on- a kitten!

Posted by: demondoll at January 26, 2008 5:01 PM

This one requires a hell of a lot of suspension of belief from the internet crowd. Simply put the FBI and CIA can take down a domain like nothing, especially if it's considered a security risk post 9/11. There is also the SUV scenes from the trailer which are ridiculous. The only hard drive like thing in a car would be the GPS and it has nothing to do with the steering or transmission. The worst it could do would be OnStar shutting the car off, but steering it? Bitch please.

Posted by: Devolution at January 26, 2008 5:18 PM

"Somehow, even though Lane's cyber-detective goes to great lengths to protect the public, she is incredibly stupid when it comes to protecting her own family."

Subtext of movie: Women who take their jobs so seriously WILL be punished.

"I've seen beheadings, burn victims, war casualties, drowned bodies, eviscerations, decayed corpses, et al but somehow killing a cat crosses the line."

Reminds me of Tony Soprano's reaction to Pie Oh My's death and Dr. Melfi's analysis of that reaction in the last season. Not trying to pathologize you, but I'm amazed at the "I can watch a human being tortured, but a PET?!" I can't watch any living being getting tortured - seriously.

Posted by: Samantha T at January 26, 2008 6:21 PM

Torture is waiting for the agent bedhead site to load. You have the slowest server on the web.

Posted by: spud02 at January 26, 2008 6:22 PM

I'm amazed at the "I can watch a human being tortured, but a PET?!" I can't watch any living being getting tortured - seriously.

I'm the same way, Samantha T. The sentiment is rather perplexing, although often expressed.

Posted by: Daphne at January 26, 2008 6:27 PM

I'm amazed at the "I can watch a human being tortured, but a PET?!" I can't watch any living being getting tortured - seriously.

I'm the same way, Samantha T. The sentiment is rather perplexing, although often expressed.

I think that is more because most folks know people they would rather see killed painfully, and can easily project those feelings onto the human characters. But in the case of animals, they project their feelings for a beloved pet instead. Just a theory, though.

Posted by: Vermillion at January 26, 2008 7:00 PM

'"I've seen beheadings, burn victims, war casualties, drowned bodies, eviscerations, decayed corpses, et al but somehow killing a cat crosses the line."
--- me

Reminds me of Tony Soprano's reaction to Pie Oh My's death and Dr. Melfi's analysis of that reaction in the last season. Not trying to pathologize you, but I'm amazed at the "I can watch a human being tortured, but a PET?!" I can't watch any living being getting tortured - seriously.

Posted by: Samantha T at January 26, 2008 6:21 PM'
I agree with Vermillion's take on this concept although few of those victims deserved their fate. The site was really a goldmine for people interested in murder mysteries & associated items such as CSI, the redheaded coroner on Law & Order (who should have her own show), Patricia Cornwell novels, etc To actually see a body kind of prepares you for what's coming next in this increasingly violent world we're living in. God, I even saw a photo from that site on Smoking Gun yesterday -- a pic sent to Jon Stewart as a threat against him & his wife. The people we most didn't mind seeing dead were suicide bombers, btw.

Posted by: Matt at January 26, 2008 7:15 PM

I remember that episode of Without A Trace. One of the few episodes Ive actually watched. There was an article on msnbc.com, I think, about how Hollywood should stop killing animals in movies. It was written after I Am Legend cam out. I remember eveyone in the theater going "No, not Sam!". I also thought, when I first saw the trailor for this movie when I went to go see 30 Days of Night, that Colin Hanks was the killer. So, is he?

Oh, and if you can find it, look on VH1's Best Week Ever blog for the parody to Untraceable's trailor which implies that the killer website is actually PerezHilton.com.

Posted by: B at January 26, 2008 7:25 PM

sure, the people who get their rocks off by going to see these torture porn movies are idiots in their own right...but why the fuck do the MAKERS of these films get a free pass?

i feel the only way this movie could have been effective in saying what it wanted to say would have been by making eli roth one of it's victims.

and yeah, the kitten bit really angered me too. maybe it's because it seems to be the absolute last straw because a kitten seems like something so entirely innocent.

Posted by: citizen_cris at January 26, 2008 8:38 PM

As I watch my 19-year-old cat doze on my lap and occasionally stretch her legs while passing gas before gazing up at me with unabashed love, I wonder how anyone could watch any animal be murdered, let alone a tiny mewing kitten, and feel ambivalent about it. When I think about how terrified and confused an animal is when it's being threatened, or when I think about how trusting and vulnerable animals are...well, I just can't understand how someone would take advantage of that vulnerability. Or why they'd put it in a movie.

So no, I won't be seeing this. My cat just stabbed me in the thigh with one of her claws, which is her way of saying she loves me and she's glad I'm taking a stand.

Posted by: lucy at January 26, 2008 9:04 PM

"I'd say torture porn has jumped the shark..."

Yeah, like any self-respecting shark would let itself be jumped by this septic genre.

Posted by: Brett at January 26, 2008 11:53 PM

"When she does, I will have to cry, because they made one of my favorite MILFs say something so stupid."

Vermillion, when I read this I immediately thought of Alec Baldwin's Jack Donaghy telling Edie Falco's C.C. "God, I want to kiss you on the mouth to stop you from saying such ridiculous things" and I laughed.


Also, no way will I watch a kitten get killed. Or what is left of Diane Lane's career.

Posted by: VampireNomad at January 27, 2008 3:04 AM

Fascinating concept, Vermillion. I never quite thought of it that way.

Posted by: samantha t at January 27, 2008 9:27 AM

So, this is a good way to boost traffic?

Posted by: Flea at January 27, 2008 10:09 AM

So, I don't comment very much, and I've hardly made it through the review yet, but as a native of Portland, I'd like to point out that it is NOT dreary.

Humph.

Clearly indignation inspires comma usage.

Posted by: elle dee at January 27, 2008 10:28 AM

Diane Lane playing yet the same "government agent" stock character she's been playing since Murder at 1600. Seriously, the woman as an actress has become the very definition of trite.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 27, 2008 11:57 AM

Does anyone remember the old FOX X-Files-creator-created show Millennium with Lance Henriksen? There's an episode that's basically this movie exactly (minus the finger-wagging subtext and wanton kitten killing). Plus the killer got away and was more or less a Zodiac Killer stand-in.

Posted by: Fernando at January 27, 2008 12:29 PM

Fernando: Anyone here who doesn't know of Millennium should end his or her life, immediately (or rent the series). ANyway, Frank Black was fuuuucked up, pity about the ending though.

Fox *siiiigh* basically did what they do to all their good series, they killed it.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 27, 2008 12:37 PM

I briefly considered putting this on the "Maybe Rent On a Rainy Day" list. The previews don't indicate that it's that violent or torture porn-esque at all. Thanks for explaining that is it. It pisses me off that they could release a movie with nasty violence like acid baths and not do anything to indicate that in a single preview.
Oh, and it also just sounds crappy now.

Posted by: Katxyz at January 27, 2008 2:30 PM

I watched Fast Food Nation last night. Wifey saw a man get his foot shredded off at the meat processing plant. Whatever. But scene of cow getting cut up? Tears (apparently because the poor cow looked sorta like our brown lab). This is why animal shelters in San Francisco are nicer than the homeless shelters.

Posted by: JP at January 27, 2008 3:20 PM

RE: Torture porn and animals vs. people. I suppose I should make it clear that I won't watch ANY sort of torture porn. I abhor it. Perhaps my sensitivities are too delicate, but I simply haven't the stomach for watching someone get tortured.

That isn't to say that torturing animals is better or worse... but there is an inherent helplessness regarding animals that pulls at many of our strings. They cannot really fight back, they cannot protest, and in that sense there is something even more cruel about it. It's not about valuing one life over another - please don't think that. It's about taking torture to that even more despicable level by inflicting it upon the helpless.

Put it this way - I would be equally, if not more, outraged if involved infants or children.

Forgive me for intruding upon your comment, but both you and Vermillion are hitting upon a similar sentiment...and I wanted to throw something out there. Generally speaking, pets are quite loyal towards their owners, and they don't have quite as many annoying habits as people seem to harbor. Unlike most human relationships, these animals inspire reciprocal unconditional love from their owners. And while Untraceable's human torture victims are portrayed as innocents, their suffering is easier (if only slightly) to witness than the torture of the kitten. Connection? - AB

Posted by: TK at January 27, 2008 4:39 PM

I would choose one of my dog's lives over 99% of the "humans" I come in contact with on a daily basis. I mean it, literally, I would see them die and not think about it twice.

You are an animal abuser? You are basically lower than an amoeba as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 27, 2008 5:11 PM

Well, BarbadoSlim, I'm sorry that your world is so wretched. I'd most certainly think twice about watching any person die who I come in contact with...and I live in NYC.

Posted by: samantha t at January 27, 2008 5:49 PM

Put it this way - I would be equally, if not more, outraged if involved infants or children.

I appreciate the distinction, TK. I realize that I'm in the minority around these parts in that I've never been a pet owner (and have no desire to be). It's equally abhorrent, IMO, to see anything getting tortured - man, beast, or children. Hey, I can be pretty damn misanthropic, but I don't think I'll ever be more okay with seeing (fictional) people tortured over (fictional) animals. Different strokes for different folks.

Posted by: Daphne at January 27, 2008 6:20 PM

One more thing about TK's distinction - I don't see it expressed that often (which is why I really appreciated it). For example, in Ranylt's review of Rambo, I think she mentions children being shot in full view, yet I haven't read a comment that expressed anything similar to this thread (as in, "What? Children being stabbed and killed in full view? Pass"). Granted, Rambo isn't torture porn, but wouldn't the gory factor be in a similar vein?

Posted by: Daphne at January 27, 2008 6:33 PM

TMax: Funbags in torture porn films in general. As in the promise of a pair will draw in more viewers, as in torture porn movies. Which is kind of dumb when you can see them on the internet without paying eight bucks, or, if you're a woman, you can look down.

Posted by: marty at January 27, 2008 7:02 PM

samantha t: I lived in NYC for quite a bit of time, just before I came to where I'm now, in fact. My feelings apply to there as well.

But I don't mean you, of course...

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 27, 2008 7:28 PM

And...I can't believe some people here are, seriously, trying to defend humanity over animals. Humans are responsible for the fucked-up state of humanity my friends, we suck, and we should be WIPED-OFF the face of the galaxy.

To quote Spongebob, (yeah, you bet your sweet ass I'm going there)

"Sea Creatures RULE! WATER! WATER! WATER!..."

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 27, 2008 7:41 PM

If given the choice to save my dog or a person I would without a doubt save over 99% of the people in this world before I would save my dog.

Posted by: JP at January 27, 2008 8:07 PM

For example, in Ranylt's review of Rambo, I think she mentions children being shot in full view, yet I haven't read a comment that expressed anything similar to this thread (as in, "What? Children being stabbed and killed in full view? Pass").

Daphne, that is an excellent point.

Posted by: TK at January 27, 2008 9:36 PM

Wow, I had no idea that this movie would be torture porn. Ridiculous dreck certainly, but it bugs me that I didn't get that torture-porny vibe off the trailers, because without that little piece of information, I might conceivably have seen it on some rainy day. Thanks for the heads up.

Posted by: darwinfox at January 27, 2008 10:21 PM

Aw, BSlim, I can't help but love you for quoting fuckin' Spongebob. I'm telling you - they broke the mold with you, dawg.

Posted by: Daphne at January 27, 2008 10:29 PM

If given the choice to save my dog or a person I would without a doubt save over 99% of the people in this world before I would save my dog.

Well, we part ways there JP. There's only a small handful of people I would save over either of my Wookeeies -- only people I love and respect, and that's a tiny, tiny percentage of the people I know. For anyone I'm not intimately familiar with, the odds are high in my mind that my dogs are morally superior and contributing more to the overall well-being of the world. I'd take myself out before them if it meant they would be spared pain and hunger.

Sorry, Sam-T, it is a wretched world in many ways; I disagree with B-Slim a bit, in that I feel psychic pain over the needless death of fellow humans. That said, this place, This Island Pajiba where we meet to talk is a haven; it's mostly zombies outside, whether they realize it or not. My faithful, loyal, furry babies shall know neither want nor fear as long as I have breath.

Off-topic: Say a hopeful prayer to Patricia Clarkson for the timely and safe delivery of Dustin, whose flight from Sundance was delayed to the point where he was almost certain not to make it home tonight. Ms. Pajiba-Hyphenate and Li'l Pajiba, Daddy is working hard to get home.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at January 27, 2008 11:08 PM

Ugh, B-Slim, that came off sounding highly uncomplementary; sorry brother, long day, bad weather, etc.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at January 27, 2008 11:12 PM

The curse of Portland movies continues. Madonna, Benecio del Toro, Tom Berenger...The lot of you, and your terrible directors, couldn't do it.

To this day, the uninformed from elsewhere will discuss this city as being 'dreary'; the sort of Victorian adjective the rest of us find hilarious-and comforting. This means the rest of you people will continue to leave us the fuck alone, which is what we wish the most.

Only Gus Van Zant, who after all, is from here, could do it, but only in "Drugstore Cowboy": I continue to wonder why anyone would like "My Own Private Idaho".

Posted by: richbachelor at January 28, 2008 1:00 AM

Socalled -- I think I barfed a little in my mouth reading your comment that your dogs are morally superior and provide more for the world than most people. No, they are amoral animals whose ability to make the world a better place begins and ends with them providing comfort and happiness to the people they directly come into contact with. Granted, the pets owners may become happier people who then are nicer to others. However, in this case, your dogs provide your own personal world with goodness, but apparently that would not translate to you making things nicer for other people. If I could save my dog which would bring me happiness or save some stranger who may have a family, or volunteer at a charity, or work as a doctor, or deliver the mail, or maybe just be a loser who never did hurt no one... I pick the person every time. Sorry, but your lack of faith in humanity is kinda sad. Its like writing off all dogs because you know someone who was attacked by a dog once. Most dogs are good... and so are most people.

Posted by: JP at January 28, 2008 1:04 AM

I think the choice of who to save would be made with your heart. If we are talking an instant reaction. So I would save my cat, whom I love.
Anyway, she's lovely and deserves to continue living, regardless of my feelings. Why is she less valuable than some person? She has a lovely attitude and she doesn't smoke or drive an SUV. She's starting to look superior to a lot of people.

Speaking of Portland, if anyone saw Andrew Dice Clay's awesome movie "Brainsmasher: A Love Story", that was set there, and it gave you a lot of lovely views of the city as the characters ran around at night. I thought it seemed a lovely place. :)

Posted by: Loob at January 28, 2008 1:51 AM

Didn't Homicide: Life on the Street do this same story about a decade ago during its last season?

Posted by: csb at January 28, 2008 1:56 AM

I think I barfed a little in my mouth reading your comment that your dogs are morally superior and provide more for the world than most people.

Like I said: We part ways on this point. I interact with many, many different people in my line of work, a revolving door of humanity. It's a small handful that's worth caring about. My dogs are morally superior precisely because they are amoral; they can't come up with a moral or ethical code and then shit all over it at the first opportunity. They reliably give me exactly what they have promised: their entirety. 40 years of schlepping this pebble, and that's what I've seen.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at January 28, 2008 2:21 AM

socalledonlycousins: Who the hell are you, Travis Bickle?

Posted by: Bobo at January 28, 2008 4:27 AM

BSlim, Socalled, and many others above: I think I've just fallen in love with you a little bit.

I don't enjoy watching violence against any living thing (even cartoonish violence--no Rambo for me!), but cruelty to animals, especially kitties, just angers me to tears.

Posted by: MO at January 28, 2008 8:19 AM

They need to make a sequel where the dead kitten's ghost is haunting "teh internets" and systematically destroying everyone who watched its tortured death. LOL cats indeed. (IM in yr internetz, excting sweet,sweet revenge...)

Posted by: Jay at January 28, 2008 9:37 AM

They need to make a sequel where the dead kitten's ghost is haunting "teh internets" and systematically destroying everyone who watched its tortured death. LOL cats indeed. (IM in yr internetz, excting sweet,sweet revenge...)

Posted by: Jay at January 28, 2008 9:37 AM
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I would pay to see that. Especially if it was done like the Grudge. As bad as that movie was...the ghosts were kinda creepy. Replace that little kid with a creepy kitten...? Fun for all!

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at January 28, 2008 9:44 AM

Thank you, JP.

Posted by: Lilly at January 28, 2008 10:14 AM

Daphne: Those are children *outside of the western world*. Key distinction. We don't give a shit about them. In this country, shows like "To Catch a Predator" make millions and use up tons of resources, but children's healthcare, foster care, protective services, etc. remain under-funded.

Posted by: samantha t at January 28, 2008 11:17 AM

My mom asked me to see this movie with her yesterday, so I went. When I saw the kitten in the cat box, I started cringing and chanting "no, no, no, no, no."

Then it happened.

Then the man with the light bulbs...

I had the WORST nightmares last night because of this stupid movie. I seriously couldn't sleep. Who thinks of torturing not just kittens, but people this way?

But yeah. The kitten. I still can't come to terms with that. It was so horrible.

Posted by: zambonigirl at January 28, 2008 12:06 PM

This sounds like a bad high-tech version of Tesis (Spanish film from 1993ish). That movie had the same message as this one, but did a better job at it.

I think I'll just watch Tesis instead of this.

Posted by: nora at January 28, 2008 1:00 PM

On the point of people vs. animals. I've heard this sentiment echoed many times and it still disturbs me. I'm sorry, if humanity deserves to be wiped off the face of earth why are you still alive? Give us a head start. I love animals but they are by no means beacons of mortality, they are amoral to a certain degree, and will do everything and anything to survive.

Take a Biology course and learn a thing or two. Dogs may give us unconditional love but once a new family adopts them they will forget about you. Your mother, your father, your sister, or you best friend never will. They will morn your loss for a long long time. I'm not bashing animals, I'm about to head off to study Veterinary Medicine. I want to dedicate my life to helping animals but their beauty and complexity has nothing to do with being moral compasses for all of us to follow. On the other hand, if you've ever enjoyed a book, a poem, a song, or a movie, if you've ever connected with it, you know how beautiful humanity can be.

Posted by: Maria at January 28, 2008 1:46 PM

The plot is taken from an episode from season 2 of Millennium entitled The Mikado, which aired Feb 6, 1998.

Posted by: Steven at January 28, 2008 2:16 PM

Tricking people into seeing torture-pr0n is reprehensible. I don't mind the goofy way movies portray technology so much, in fact movies like that are fun. I liked that movie with Sigourney Weaver who's confined to her house because she's agoraphobic or whatever, and that guy is stalking her through her computer, and I liked "The Net", too. So it bothers me that I could have gone to see this movie thinking it was just a goofy twist on a who-dunnit thriller. I got a "The Net" vibe from the trailer, not a "Hostel" vibe.

Posted by: phquaryn at January 28, 2008 2:17 PM

I'm pretty new to this site, but already I feel immense relief that there are people out there who are having discussion such as this. My faith in people has been somewhat renewed by knowing that some people are as disgusted by the trend of torture-as-entertainment as I am.

As for the animal vs. human issue, my perspective is prejudiced by the fact that I had a 17-year old aunt who was tortured and killed by a serial killer. Should I have to make the (horrible) choice of whether one of my own pets (whom I love dearly of course) or a family member gets this treatment, the decision would require no protracted thought whatsoever.

Posted by: RAAumich at January 28, 2008 2:17 PM

Reminds me of the disingenuous "The General's Daughter." All the dialogue in that...film...said "We are outraged by the rape and exploitation of women, which is so very very wrong," while the camera lingered on her naked, spreadeagled body in shot after shot after shot, flashbacks, recreations, hypothetical solutions, you name it.

Posted by: Salieri2 at January 28, 2008 2:18 PM

RAAumich, that is horrible. I am so sorry to hear that.

Posted by: samantha t at January 28, 2008 3:23 PM

Re: Animal vs. human torture on film

I can't stand seeing animals tortured or killed on film because somehow the "it's just an actor portraying a character" distancing mechanism doesn't work with animals. To me, a kitten is a kitten is a kitten.

Posted by: millie at January 28, 2008 4:57 PM

I can't stand seeing animals being tortured or killed in movies because somehow the old "it's just an actor portraying a character" distancing mechanism doesn't work with animals. To me a kitten is a kitten is a kitten.

Posted by: millie at January 28, 2008 5:00 PM

The finger-wagging, lecture-y tone of this movie aside, it looks like just another instance of Hollywood vastly overestimating what can be done with computers. Seriously, it's like they think it's magic and wizards and shit.

Would we ever, without Hollywood wagging its finger towards us, know that craving this sort of violent, disgusting film is wrong?
Well, duh! We'd never know right from wrong without Hollywood's moral compass! I didn't know racism was wrong until I saw Crash!!

Posted by: june at January 28, 2008 5:43 PM

RAAumich,

My heart breaks for you having read that, and I had to wipe a few tears away for that one. I am so deeply, deeply sorry for the pain that that must have caused you and your loved ones. It is truly devastating and despicable that such a horrible act of violence and hatred was committed against an innocent. If there is a God or not, you'll still be in my prayers. I hope you all have or find peace. Be well.

-Marilyn Malcolm

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at January 28, 2008 8:28 PM

Raaumich, you have my sympathizes as well. I can't imagine what it feels like to know something so terrible happened to anyone close. My brother had a blood clot and for a torturous 24 hours I thought he would die. That was the worst day of my life and I can't think it compares to anything close to what you went through.

In the end, it doesn't matter if it's animals or people, I can understand to some degree how you can rationalize that it's just an actor acting, but in the end both turn my stomach. I'm more so disgusted by Hollywood wagging the figure with one hand and selling the videos with the other. I'm sick of them and tabloid owners always blaming the public "oh we wouldn't make it if you wouldn't buy it".

Posted by: Maria at January 29, 2008 10:47 PM

I sit here wiping tears away as the local news just showed a story of some dumb fuck who killed and mutilated two female miniature donkeys. That were pregnant.

There are some sick fucks in this world. Kittens, dogs, donkeys - you name it, I'd like to carpet bomb those assholes into oblivion.

Posted by: Stella at January 30, 2008 7:22 PM

While my intent in sharing the fate of my aunt was not to garner sympathy, I appreciate the kind words and thoughts. While a number of years have passed and the man responsible has since suffered his own misfortune in prison, the impact of that event on my family has been profound, naturally.

The main point I wanted to make was that there are a disturbing number of individuals who find the mistreatment of other human beings entertaining. As someone who experienced a real life event of this nature, there is absolutely no way for me to ever find that type of treatment entertaining - EVER. And the fact that some people do causes me severe distress.

Lastly, I wanted to share my relief in finding a group of civilized people who seem to share my distaste for the genre.

Posted by: RAAumich at January 30, 2008 10:29 PM

I've never understood the whole 'torture porn' genre (if you can call it that), as I'm not into either violence in the form of torture, nor horror in any real sense. However, one of my best friends is, and I've asked him why he goes to such movies as this (he hasn't seen this, last time I checked, so I don't know what he thinks of it). He basically told me that, he has seen pretty much every horror movie around (granted, not all, but a buttload either way), because he enjoys the rush of feeling truly scared, of feeling very much alive. Now, as a grown human being, and after seeing many of these films in the first place, not a lot truly gives him that rush anymore. This is especially true of anything that isn't very realistic, such as ghosts, werewolves, zeds, or such things as that, because he knows that those things can and will never happen to him. However, having some psychopath kidnap and torture you, or put you into some situation that basically is torture (a la, the Saw movies), is very possible(however implausible), and actually scares him, thus giving him that feeling of vivid....aliveness (?). As far as the gruesomeness goes, I didn't ask him how he deals with that, but I would guess that he either a: is roughly immune to it, due to repeated conditioning, b. sub-consciously knows that it isn't real, and so isn't affected by it, or c. feels that that adds to the realism, and, by the transitive property, his own fright. But I don't really know. I won't assume anything about anyone else that watches these types of movies, but its possible that they might see it for the same reason as my friend.

But seriously now..a KITTEN?! That is just so horribly wrong...and, from what I read, I take it that the kitten wasn't the only small defenseless animal that was killed in the movie, as you said the killer progresses to humans from kittens (unless he makes the oh so convenient jump without any in-betweens?)

As far as choosing between humans and animals, I must say that I am a bit split. I have lived with various animals all my life, so I have a respect for them, but also a knowledge: I know that they don't think like us, and many probably don't feel like us (like sheep for example...its just BAAAAA BAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA all day and all night LONG!!! I don't like sheep). Now, if I was to choose who gets put under torture treatment like that, I would probably choose the human most of the time, but I don't think that would be 100 percent of the time. It really depends on a lot of variables.

Posted by: Bob at February 1, 2008 12:58 AM

Sorry if that last post of mine was a bit rambling or incoherent. Its 1:00 here, and Bob is tired....sleep is the now.

Posted by: Bob at February 1, 2008 1:01 AM

"Dogs may give us unconditional love but once a new family adopts them they will forget about you."

It's irrelevant whether they remember us. And they don't have to reciprocate our love, to be valuable. They are living creatures that have as much right to continue living as we do.

Posted by: Loob at February 1, 2008 11:05 AM

The daughter surfs unsupervised into chatrooms with webcams that are fully operational. The killer even manages to lure Jennifer's daughter into a private chat and broadcasts corresponding footage on the site.

Um, when did she do this in the movie? The only times the daughter's shown on the Internet is when she was playing that horse game and then when she was walking by and saw the house being broadcasted because Lane's character, like a dummy, left the SNUFF WEBSITE OPEN. (This is why monitors have OFF buttons, people.)

Posted by: duckandcover at February 6, 2008 6:47 AM

The most boring movie ive ever watch in my entire life its just a waste of money and its the worst picture that ive ever seen

Posted by: malissa at March 1, 2008 5:56 PM

my god i agree with everyone... who kills a innocent kitten?
And they HAD to put it in the movie... what is this world comin to?

Posted by: megan at July 2, 2008 1:43 PM

pretty boring movie, but erm SO WHAT about the kitten.
you're content to watch a guy get roasted to death and all his skin bubbling, and another guy melting in battery acid... graphically and noisily... but oh no! the poor kitten!
lol

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