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Tyler Perry’s Madea Goes to Jail / Ted Boynton

Film Reviews | February 23, 2009 | Comments (72)


Viola Davis probably spent at least a few minutes this weekend pondering her karma. The 2009 Academy Awards represent the pinnacle (to date) of Davis’s solid career as a working actor, and while she didn’t have a prayer of winning Best Supporting Actress for her role in Doubt, the nomination rewards thirteen years of thankless roles like the housekeeper in Far from Heaven. Meanwhile, the latest entry in the much-derided Madea series, in which Davis plays a tough-love minister to junkies and prostitutes, opened two days before her shining moment. Talk about timing.

Having never seen a minute of Tyler Perry’s work in film or television, I didn’t know what to expect from Madea Goes to Jail, Perry’s latest film about a physically imposing, ostensibly comical woman, beyond the basic premise of a man in a pendulously-beracked fat suit delivering ethnically targeted patter. Perry’s reputation for lowbrow gags masquerading as humor, not to mention the frayed edges of the black-man-in-drag concept, made me pessimistic, but the prospect of a deliciously evil review cheered me.

Eh. Truth be told, it’s hard to work up much venom for Madea Goes to Jail. It is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a good or even an okay movie. In fact, Madea is two very discordant plotlines shoehorned into 103 jarringly edited minutes: one an overwrought, cornball drama about a young prosecutor helping out a friend who fell on hard times; the other what I can only assume is the typical Madea storyline of an irascible woman cutting a wide swath through a world of idiots with her twin blades of irreverent old lady jive and an imposing, dreadnaught bosom. In fairness, however, Perry does manage some chuckle-worthy scenes and even a couple of nice “filmmaker” type moments. Madea had me checking my watch every ten minutes, but it’s no worse than a couple of hours of random sitcom programming on any given night, and Perry avoids the clichés and stereotypes that often characterize broad humor aimed at African-American audiences. Not that there isn’t plenty of that broad humor, but Madea is largely populated by ordinary people going about their ordinary business, who happen to be black. In an era when Eddie Murphy’s Modern Minstrel Show is still getting work as a step-‘n-fetch donkey, that’s something.

As Madea Goes to Jail opens, the titular character (Perry) faces courtroom justice over the latest in a long line of physical altercations with various members of the public who keep causing her grief. Hotshot young prosecutor Linda (Ion Overman) must release Madea, however, because the police failed to Mirandize her. The movie then branches as the story follows Linda and her lawyer fiancé, Joshua (Derek Luke), who are engaged to be married, and Madea, who the judge predicts cannot possibly stay out of trouble for long.

While at the courthouse, Joshua recognizes a childhood friend named Candace (Keshia Knight Pulliam) as she’s being arraigned for prostitution. Although Candace reacts with cynical hostility to Joshua’s putting up her bail, it soon becomes obvious that she needs a helping hand to get her life straightened out. Feeling guilty over a mysterious incident from his school days with Candace, Joshua works with a hardnosed minister (Davis) to find opportunities for Candace to get off the street. Over the adamant opposition of Linda — and her stock line, “Those people need to help themselves” — Joshua lets Candace sleep on his couch, putting his relationship with his conniving, vindictive fiancé at risk.

Meanwhile, Madea goes on her way, sparring with selfish drivers, berating her bemused family, and running her mouth non-stop in a distinctive prattle bearing a striking resemblance to Murphy’s pioneering black-comic-in-drag efforts in The Nutty Professor 2: The Klumps, and to a lesser degree Martin Lawrence’s noble work in Big Mama’s House. To the extent Madea finds its stride, it’s in the sequences in which Madea barbs her bovine relatives or gets her short fuse lit by annoying white people. Madea can tell off a moronic son-in-law or a self-absorbed honky with the best of them, and Perry delivers enough decent zingers and finger-waving soliloquys to pass the time affably. The plotting and dialogue on that side of the story somehow manage to be simultaneously preposterous and unimaginative, but nobody’s seeing this thing for its contemplative dramatic arc. We want some goddamn cracker-baiting!

And that’s the frustrating thing about a movie already benefitting from low expectations: Perry refuses to stay with the one thing he’s somewhat good at. The segments of Madea actually featuring, you know, Madea contain enough entertaining material for a decent series of five-minute sketches on an ethnically conscious show like “In Living Color.” Diluted and padded to occupy about an hour of the film, those bits are already stretched tighter than Nicole Kidman’s forehead, interspersed with way, way too many lame jokes like Madea’s son-in-law referring to a colonoscopy as a “Coca-cola-oscopy.” (Yes, that actually happened.)

But, oh!, how one misses those moments whenever the film abruptly lurches into the straight dramatic plot about Joshua and Candace. Each time Madea gets revved up to crack some skulls, the viewer teleports into another movie, a movie about lawyers and hookers containing virtually no humor other than Joshua’s wiseass best friend, who delivers a stream of sotto voce warnings whenever Joshua is about to make an inter-gender blunder with Linda. (The parents of RonReaco Lee, who plays Joshua’s friend, were apparently budget rum devotees.) It doesn’t help the situation that the Rudy-Cosby-is-a-hooker story is a low-rent facsimile of a Hallmark Movie of the Week, though Pulliam does credible work chewing through some painfully predictable lines.

Of course, no one here is on the same planet as Viola Davis. Things perk up noticeably whenever her magnetic, energizing presence lifts Perry’s strained, sermonizing script to a more interesting place. Davis has precious little screen time, however, and the viewer is subjected to far too much of Joshua’s one-note hand-wringing and Linda’s cartoonishly villainous machinations. There are some ugly moments in this narrative as well, and Perry inexplicably chooses them to jolt the viewer by cutting from grim material — a hooker getting beat up or Joshua’s tearful confession of The Big Secret — to a tonal opposite featuring Madea slinging the sass.

There is one strong dramatic moment in the Candace-Joshua plot, and I’ve been puzzling over whether it was intentional on Perry’s part. After Candace is kidnapped by a violent, oppressive pimp, she wakes up trapped under his sleeping body and has to escape through a window. She calls Joshua, who is napping on his own bed with Linda draped over him, and Joshua has to make a difficult getaway from his own tyrant in order to pick up Candace. It’s a nice juxtaposition of the respective prisons their lives threaten to become, and if the remainder of the film had an ounce of subtlety, I’d freely credit Perry, who clearly has the basics down.

Eventually — far later in the movie than one would expect — Madea does go to jail, ending up in the slammer with Candace, and Madea picks up a little speed here as the dramatic plot falls away. Madea’s interactions with dykey inmates and nutty serial killers have about as much originality as a Kate Hudson rom-com, but there are a couple of laugh-out-loud moments, such as Madea’s casual insistence on referring to the butch cellblock boss as “young man.” Based on the marketing, I really expected this part to be the bulk of the movie, and Perry would have been better off to approach it that way. As it is, Madea doesn’t know what it wants to be, which wouldn’t matter if it were more entertaining. But without enough laughs to go around, one spends the entire time pondering the whiplashing shifts from tired jokes about old people smoking weed to self-righteous preaching about self-reliance, from a prostitute’s heroin withdrawal to vanity scenes for celebrities from daytime television. Ah, well; at least someone finally found an appropriate vehicle for Dr. Phil.

Ted Boynton is a dedicated sot who plans to leave his barstool to stalk Whit Stillman, now that someone has found Whit Stillman. Ted also manages to hold down a job and a wife, three hours each per day, whether they need it or not. Readers may scold, hector, admonish or taunt Ted by e-mailing him at thecarygrantrules@hotmail.com.


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sucker.

Posted by: TK at February 23, 2009 3:10 PM

House of Payne is CASTING! Oh Prisco you should go for it. No experience needed! You could be the extremely white neighbor! I COULD BE THE EXTREMELY WHITE NEIGHBOR!
I'll do a monologue of some of Don Knott's work. Maybe wear a comb-over. Or bring the Hipster Douche-bag achetype to mainstream America. No wait, that'd be a little too clever for House Of Payne.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at February 23, 2009 3:13 PM

Never in my life have I read anything so horribly, horribly racist.

Posted by: Skitz at February 23, 2009 3:17 PM

Archetype! ACK!

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at February 23, 2009 3:17 PM

Over the weekend, TBS had "24 hours of Tyler Perry" and I instinctively screeched a kind of hellfire banshee war cry when I saw the promo. Which scared the cat. Which is why I have claw marks. And it's all the fault of that fucking hack.

Posted by: Sharon at February 23, 2009 3:20 PM

What!? Sober? You poor, poor man.

Posted by: admin at February 23, 2009 3:21 PM

Honky Grandma Be TRIPPIN'!

Posted by: Bucko at February 23, 2009 3:23 PM

I'm going to get a little weird and serious here for a second....here goes.

Tyler Perry movies are capital "T" terrible. However, have you noticed that there are a lot of great black actors in them?

Why is it that actors as talented as Idris "Stringer Bell" Elba and Viola Davis are in movies barely good enough to be on Lifetime?

That is a fucking tragedy

Posted by: Park at February 23, 2009 3:40 PM

Because of The Man, Park. Because of The Man...

Posted by: Sabrina at February 23, 2009 3:51 PM

Tyler Perry, all I want are for your films to be bad enough to warrant a really scathing review, and you can't even do that. Fuck you in the fat suit. The moment I get some level of power, I will execute all black men who wear fat suits in drag. Who thinks that shit is funny? Was it Martin Lawrence, was he the one who started this! What keeps these men in business? Who would pay to see a Tyler Perry movie? Fuck you Tyler Perry!

Posted by: George at February 23, 2009 4:00 PM

Laugh it up, TK. Dustin cycles the Tyler Perry. Guess who's next in the queue?

Posted by: insertclevernamehere at February 23, 2009 4:03 PM

Jesus Christ Ted, you do some damn good subtle sarcasm.. I was skimming and had to go back and read more closely, I was scared you were serious.

Don't do that to me.

Posted by: Snath at February 23, 2009 4:07 PM

Shouldn't Pookie be inciting a race war in here? What gives?

Posted by: Skitz at February 23, 2009 4:10 PM

I want to hear Pookie's take on this movie.

Posted by: Stella at February 23, 2009 4:12 PM

Tyler Perry's contract demands everything he does must have HIS name in front of it, no? I picture him coming out of the bathroom and making his family look at his "Tyler Perry's: Shit." It's some weird version of speaking in the third person. This guy's worse than Ricky Henderson.

Posted by: dmo at February 23, 2009 4:15 PM

Meh.
I actually thought it said "Medea goes to the Mall". The idea of the ancient Greek heroine hanging out at the food court with her kids, waiting for Jason (who is off playing for the Toronto Argonauts or something), was way more amusing to me than this movie sounds.

And now, I am totally craving an Orange Julius and a Pizza Dog at the local Mall.

Posted by: Odnon at February 23, 2009 4:36 PM

We want some goddamn cracker-baiting!

Is that like baiting for fish? What kind of cracker are we going for? Saltines? Wheat Thins? Ooooooh Triscuits, I bet it's Triscuits. Those are good! I hear if you use cheese, sparkles and pouting they will come running.

Honkey.

Posted by: not admin trying to start shit at February 23, 2009 4:36 PM

"Laugh it up, TK. Dustin cycles the Tyler Perry. Guess who's next in the queue?"

No sir, not me. I do music, remember? Now, if that fat-suit-wearing dickface puts out a CD, then... I be fucked.

Posted by: TK at February 23, 2009 4:41 PM

RUDY HUXTABLE PLAYS A WHORE.

Posted by: Mimi at February 23, 2009 5:02 PM

Racialicious hosted an interesting discussion about the "lessons" in Tyler Perry's movies for women: What Does Tyler Perry Really Want From His Audience?

Posted by: Lizzie (greeneyed fem) at February 23, 2009 5:05 PM

Squash the hate! Tyler Perry is gifted. I may not love everything he does but the man is raking in the dough with his movies, plays, and sitcoms. He obviously knows something that many of you may not!
Also, not everyone can feel this humor.

Posted by: Amber at February 23, 2009 5:39 PM

Hey gang! Michael Bay here!

Shove it up your fat-suited ass, Perry!

Michael Bay out!

Posted by: Michael Bay at February 23, 2009 5:44 PM

He obviously knows something that many of you may not!

That the threshold for what is considered humorous in this country is lower than ever before?

Posted by: rikkitikkitavi at February 23, 2009 6:02 PM

Perry makes money because he understands what his audience wants to see, it is so simple. In the same way that Paul Blart: Mall Cop made a shit load of money. You goddamn movie critics don't know shit, I'm speaking to you Rowles, Boynton, C.W. III, and Prisco. If you entertain the masses they will come, it does not matter if the movie has a plot or not. Listen motherfuckers, Palin and Mack got damn near fifty million votes. You think those fifty million people want to watch some documentary about the history of America or do you think they want to watch G-String Divas?

And here you have Boynton writing some goddamn ten thousand word dissertation like he's working on his goddamn doctorate degree, motherfucker please.

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 6:06 PM

a man in a pendulously-beracked fat suit

Poetry. Sheer poetry.

Posted by: figgy at February 23, 2009 6:23 PM

Yeah, long works make sleepy. Review like the movie is, short &and , so we can keep up

Posted by: FDQ at February 23, 2009 6:24 PM

The ability to make money does not a genius make.

I don't hate Tyler Perry, quite to the contrary. If anything, I'm completely ambivalent. But I think it's a fallacy to defend him based on the fact that the majority of people in this country like shit that blows massive donkey dicks. Anyone with a moronic idea and a mentally deficient financial backer can make millions. Yes, Perry's media banks, and yes, it banks for the reasons that Pookie states. But that doesn't give it any redeeming quality, and I would expect ANYONE with a keen eye to pan it, critic or no.

So, my question is this...why do people get so mad? Because Tyler Perry sucks, or because people say it out loud? Because the argument that his work makes money and therefore has some redeeming value to society is completely irrelevant.

Posted by: Smokin at February 23, 2009 6:27 PM

Wow!! How about Robin Williams as Mrs Doubtfire, Dustin Hoffman as Tootsie, and how about John Travolta in Hairspray. Should I go on or do you get it? This is not something new!! The real story is how Tyler Perry went from homeless to very wealthy using brain power. Despite the character he plays, he is an intelligent, well spoken and extremely talented man. It is not meant to be profound. IT IS FREAKING COMEDY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Marie at February 23, 2009 6:32 PM

Soooo....the best defense for this claptrap so far is "well, a bunch of idiots voted for Palin, so they gotta waste their money on SOMETHING" now? Just because enough people are stupid enough to pay for such crap, it is beyond criticism? At least the racism argument was somewhat generous. This is just....sad.

I would be disappointed, but since it has been established (hell, DEMANDED) that fans of Perry are morons proud of their low standards and mediocrity, I guess it would be a waste of time.

Enjoy the film, folks. I am going to go over here and spare my brain cells the slow and painful death by viewing a better movie.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2009 6:33 PM

I'm still waiting for the alcohol pairing. Perhaps this one takes a pharmaceutical pairing?Like ether?

Posted by: MissNev at February 23, 2009 6:33 PM

It is not meant to be profound.

Actually, it is meant to be profound, which is part of why these suck so bad. I just saw part of one over the weekend on cable. There was some kind of heavy domestic violence thing, then the husband throws the wife out to have some hoochie move in, then the husband gets shot, then the wife comes back and the hoochie abandons him. Apparently there's always some big dramatic story in these with a lot of crying and overacting -- it's not just a comedy, it's bad Lifetime-themed stuff, so it doesn't get that excuse.

Robin Williams as Mrs Doubtfire, Dustin Hoffman as Tootsie, and how about John Travolta in Hairspray

Williams and Travolta were weird, creepy, and not funny, and Tootsie had a lot more on its mind than "oh how funny a man dressed as a woman." Also: Not racially targeted, which explains the Murphy/Lawrence thing.

Posted by: snapple at February 23, 2009 6:48 PM

Actually it is the morons that wants to slap a label on this comedy as opposed to the ridiculous comedy we are subject to daily on the boob tube that kill the brain cells. This is a land of choice. A choice that is different from yours doesn't make it sub standard however, being narrow minded does limit ones ability to learn and effectively communicate with others. My guess, this is not one of your goals....right?

Posted by: Marie at February 23, 2009 6:49 PM

Mari I hear voices to

Posted by: FDQ at February 23, 2009 6:52 PM

And here you have Boynton writing some goddamn ten thousand word dissertation like he's working on his goddamn doctorate degree, motherfucker please.

I know! I bet the review was longer than the screenplay. Or bar napkin. You take my meaning.

Posted by: snapple at February 23, 2009 6:57 PM

You hear voices too. Yeah...ok special one. Come out of the tunnel people before the train rolls through and hits you in your incredibly thick skulls. Money train that is......Bye!

Posted by: Marie at February 23, 2009 7:04 PM

Actually it is the morons that wants to slap a label on this comedy as opposed to the ridiculous comedy we are subject to daily on the boob tube that kill the brain cells.

So, um, your point...? I mean, who is slapping a label on this move? Well,beyond "crappy", "moneymaker", and "waste of brain cells". I will cop to the last one, but that gets applied to a lot of stuff, including TV.

I am refraining from declaring you a newcomer, but from this line it is somewhat safe to infer that you are not very familiar with this site. Otherwise, you would be quite aware that the entire entertainment spectrum has been lambasted more ways than one here.

This is a land of choice. A choice that is different from yours doesn't make it sub standard however, being narrow minded does limit ones ability to learn and effectively communicate with others. My guess, this is not one of your goals....right?

Of course not. Here is a list of things I think are stupid or substandard yet others find quite popular and CHOOSE to involve themselves in:

Abuse
Cocaine/Crack
Cigarettes
Carlos Mencia
Unprotected sex
Slavery (anybody)
Genocide
Reality shows
Terrorism
Lame Duck Responses to Terrorism

But now I understand: it isn't that these things are bad or anything, it is that I am too narrow-minded to understand their appeal. Wow, I am so glad someone came along and set me straight!

I do find it funny that the ones crowing the most about choice and how people like what they like can't also say the inverse is true. Sometimes people hate things, for myriads of reasons that have nothing to do with racism, classism, or any other -ism.

Just because it is popular crap, doesn't mean it isn't crap.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2009 7:12 PM

Vermillion, are you actually saying that if a person pays to go see a Tyler Perry movie they are in your eyes stupid? I'm shocked that you would make a statement like that, I would never call another person stupid for going to see a particular movie. Your arrogance always wins out over your intelligence when it comes to discussing Perry.

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 7:17 PM

" Enjoy the film, folks. I'm going to go over here and spare my brain cells the slow and painful death by viewing a better movie."

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2008 6:33 PM
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V, you're the Bobby Jindal of Pajiba.

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 7:43 PM

Vermillion, are you actually saying that if a person pays to go see a Tyler Perry movie they are in your eyes stupid?

Not mine, per se. Just repeating what I am reading:

I may not love everything he does but the man is raking in the dough with his movies, plays, and sitcoms.

It is not meant to be profound. IT IS FREAKING COMEDY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you entertain the masses they will come, it does not matter if the movie has a plot or not. Listen motherfuckers, Palin and Mack got damn near fifty million votes. You think those fifty million people want to watch some documentary about the history of America or do you think they want to watch G-String Divas?

Actually it is the morons that wants to slap a label on this comedy as opposed to the ridiculous comedy we are subject to daily on the boob tube that kill the brain cells.

See? Seems like Perry and his defenders are perfectly fine with treating his audience like idiots. Why can't I?

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2009 7:49 PM

V, you're the Bobby Jindal of Pajiba.

I'm the "East Indian American youngest non-white governor of Louisiana" of Pajiba? Um...okay...?

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2009 7:54 PM

IT IS FREAKING COMEDY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it's not. It's a bait and switch which is a big part of Boynton's review. Every trailer I've seen, for this movie as well as the previous two, focuses on Madea and her sassy repotiore. When you actually see Perry's movies, Madea really has very little to do with them other than as the comic relief and the odd "wise older person" piece of advice.

Instead he attempts to tell a serious story dealing with the "real" issues of the characters which comes across (to me) as preachy, clumsy and inept. He sprinkles enough Madea in to almost get the viewer from plot point to plot point but the transition from funny to serious is usually so ham fisted you might as well just cock smack the viewer and yell, "It's serious now". Never mind that the story & writing really isn't very good.

And your absolutely correct Pookie. Tyler Perry does make a shitload of money because he makes movies that his audience wants to see; just like Paul Blart. But less funny. The difference is that Paul Blart didn't try to be something it wasn't: relevant.

Posted by: admin at February 23, 2009 8:13 PM

"See? Seems like Perry and his defenders are perfectly fine with treating his audience like idiots. Why can't I?"

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2009 7:49 PM
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V, name me one director that didn't think that they were smarter than the audience? Also, I wasn't calling you the Bobby Jindal of Pajiba as some sort of compliment.

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 8:20 PM

Whatever-- this movie looks AWESOME.

Posted by: Fuckles Da Klown at February 23, 2009 8:33 PM

Admin, relevance is subjective. What is relevant to me might not be relevant to you. Every director working has a sense of self importance, they all think they are important and relevant, even Paul Blart. You and V seem to think that Perry is the only director around who is calculating and has an ulterior motive for making movies. Trust me, Perry's motives are the same as your favorite director whomever that may be.

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 8:36 PM

Very good analysis in the link provided by Lizzie, above. Y'all should read it.

Posted by: Jerce at February 23, 2009 8:45 PM

V, name me one director that didn't think that they were smarter than the audience?

Michael Bay, for one. All he knows is EXPLOSIONS *guitar riff*!!!!!! And he doesn't pretend to put deep messages about marriage and love and Christ in his films, either.

Problem is, the good directors think the audience is at least as smart as they are. The only ones who talk down to the audience, who dilute and discard any subtlety or development, who attempt to make heavy issues play out like a Hallmark movie only with more cynical money-grabbing, those are those who hold little regard for their audience.

lso, I wasn't calling you the Bobby Jindal of Pajiba as some sort of compliment.

I didn't take is as a compliment. I took it as a confusing comparison. I don't know where you were going with that. But now I know who that guy is. Thanks, Wikipedia!

Oh wait..this is one of your jokes, right? Where you say outrageous and nonsensical things to get a laugh? Oh that was a good one!

Now I see why so many Pajibans love your act. I thought you were some random nutcase looking for validation, but you were really just pulling my leg. Nice!

In fact, rereading your posts...I totally get the joke now! Hahaha! I should have known you couldn't be serious, not even for a second. That was really good! You got me!

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2009 9:04 PM

Vermillion, are you actually saying that if a person pays to go see a Tyler Perry movie they are in your eyes stupid? I'm shocked that you would make a statement like that, I would never call another person stupid for going to see a particular movie. Your arrogance always wins out over your intelligence when it comes to discussing Perry.

I completely disagree Pookie, and I'm sure even you do deep down. If people paid to see Meet The Spartans, that makes them stupid, I'm sure deep down you believe that. There are some things that just shouldn't be bought, and stuff like this is one of those things.

Posted by: George at February 23, 2009 9:11 PM

But George, don't you get it? He can't possibly be serious! It would make no sense if he was! It is a joke! Like how Dustin did that whole thing with the Fired Up review. Do you really think somebody would defend Tyler Perry in such a way? It is absolutely ridiculous, which is why it's so funny.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2009 9:14 PM

Admin, relevance is subjective.

Shit, is not.

Posted by: admin at February 23, 2009 9:19 PM

V, I know that Perry doesn't make the greatest of movies. I can name only one of his movies that I've actually paid to go see. And to be really honest with you, I have yet to watch one full episode of his show on TBS. He's not even my favorite director to tell you the truth. But can you please tell me why you hate him so much? There are directors I don't like, but unlike you I don't go around despising them. The only reason I speak up for him is because I want him to have the same opportunities to make shitty movies as white directors do. As far as the Bobby Jindal comment goes, you can't tell me that shit wasn't funny? V, I do like you. I think you are a very intelligent well spoken young man. You are a credit to your race.

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Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 9:24 PM

Admin, buddy, think about it. He just said that the people behind Paul Blart thought that movie was "important and relevant". The movie about a mall security guard. Played by the dude from King of Queens.

He can't possibly be serious, dude! Laugh it up, let it go!

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2009 9:25 PM

I got you Vermillion, I'm here for shits and giggles.

Posted by: admin at February 23, 2009 9:30 PM

You guys are killing me, Paul Blart and Madea made a shit load of money. If the name of the game was to make a profit both of these movies succeeded beyond all expectations. You guys are looking at movies as some sort of panacea for what ails society. I agree both Paul and Madea are pieces of shit, but so fucking what? My best friend thinks that "Raging Bull" was the stupidest movie he's ever seen, Raging motherfucking Bull, can you believe that shit?

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 9:39 PM

I look forward to the next Madea offerings:

Madea Goes To Camp

Madea: Scared Stupid

Madea Saves Christmas

Madea Rides Again

Madea Goes To School

Madea In The Army

Hey, Vern! It's Madea!

My only question is, which dead comedian is Tyler Perry gonna rip off once he's done with Jim Varney's corpse? Can we look forward to his version of the Mighty Mouse theme while he wrestles Ron Simmons? Did Bill Hicks have any bits left over from Denis Leary's "homages?" Or will Perry stick with the Madea character, only give her a penchant to scream into people's faces and do a cover of "Wild Thing."

Posted by: David at February 23, 2009 9:45 PM

At this moment I'm sitting here watching "The Closer" waiting for my old lady to get back from the adult vide......from Blockbuster. Some people think The Closer is the best detective show on t.v., I do not. Do you see how subjective all this shit is? One man's queen is another man's skank.

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 9:47 PM

Of course I know how subjective this stuff is Pookie. Believe me, I love some terrible movies, but for fucks sakes at least I know they're terrible.

Posted by: admin at February 23, 2009 9:54 PM

Give me a break David, all comedians steal from each other. They all tell different versions of the same joke. You think that homo Varney thought up some shit all by his lonesome? I'm still holding out hope that Leary will say something funny one day.

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 9:59 PM

This is cracking me up! He fully admits TP movies are shit, but he somehow thinks that is some sort of defense! The logical fallacy is so blatant, and yet he continues anyway! It is hilarious!

Do some more! I know, tell us another "you arrogant bastards" line! That was a good one!

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2009 10:09 PM

V, did you actually read my entire post where I said that I just want Perry to have the same opportunity to make shitty movies that white directors do? Are you trying to be a comedian tonight Mr. Keyes?

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 10:23 PM

V don't call me crazy, that just encourages me.

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 10:28 PM

Of course I read it; that is why I finally get the joke! You are acting like you are actually offended when folks call TP movies shit! But you think they are shit as well! But you argue like they are somehow different levels of shit or something! Then you get people to argue with you like you are actually making some sort of reasonable point! It is comedy gold!

Really though, you gotta hold up a bit! My sides are aching over here, and I need some sleep!

Man, Pookie so craaaaazy....

Posted by: Vermillion at February 23, 2009 10:59 PM

V don't be so sarcastic and shit. You act like Perry should be put in jail for making the movies he make. Please don't tell anyone what I really think of Perry's movies, its our little secret.

Posted by: Pookie at February 23, 2009 11:29 PM

Dear sweet Godtopus...

Setting aside the conceit that Pookie is joking, I think this thread sums up the dissonance of what film means to people. Some, like V, see it as an art form, in its most appealing examples finely crafted and lovingly presented, regardless of subject matter. The Pookies of the world view film in its pure form as a vehicle for a message, whether it be from the directors, or studios, or what have you. Admittedly, this doesn't take into account greed, which I think is a vast part of the landscape. But the beautiful, and terrible, part of the whole argument is that you're both right. Film is all these things, which I think what keeps us all coming back to this site.

You get a lot more honesty here, however tempered with righteous indignation or pained condescension it may be, than you do anywhere else that I've found.

Posted by: Smokin at February 23, 2009 11:40 PM

I like Tyler Perry. :( But I do admit, he needs to be more honest with his marketing. A lot of people are and will be angry finding out it's a mixture of drama and comedy. Not to mention... I noticed many of the whites portrayed in the film are evil or just ignored. Vastly.

Posted by: Shanti at February 24, 2009 12:13 AM

Thank god Vermillion, I was terrified for a second there. It's good that you were always on the side of justice Pookie.

"He's black?"

Posted by: George at February 24, 2009 2:48 AM

Morning, folks....

Excellent point there, Smokin. I can easily admit when I like a really bad movie. Some of them I am quite proud to say I like, some not so much. I just don't like Perry's really bad, awful, terrible movies with crap messages (as that link above says, you really should read it). I have nothing against the man himself: he makes his bones appealing to his audience, like any other moviemaker. And just like those other moviemakers, his success doesn't mean he is good, just popular. Like Flavor of Love!

But you are right. Movies mean different things to different people. And that is what makes this place interesting: you get to hear so many different views on the subject.

You act like Perry should be put in jail for making the movies he make.

Not just him, of course. I have a veritable list of folks I would rather have arrested than continue their crimes against filmmaking (Perry doesn't even crack the top 5), but I do believe everyone here has one as well.

That selective memory is kicking in again, huh? But that is part of the joke; out of all the directors that get lambasted here, Perry is the only one you defend. Like he is the only one ever mentioned or something. That is great.

Before I go, I must once again advocated the blatant robbery of Mr. Tyler Perry. As he has shown in his films, he believes that lots of money is indeed the root of all evil. But now he is nearly a billionaire with his own movie studio. The only way to save his soul and make sure he stays a good Christian man is to take all his shit away from him and keep him broke. I call dibs on the flat-screen!

Posted by: Vermillion at February 24, 2009 7:54 AM

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Posted by: linda at February 24, 2009 8:31 AM

Hey, I'm an open minded girl from UK, I'm­­ interested in exotic things, photography, dating and­­ sports...
I have my photos on
--- T a l l h u b. C o m­­ ---, I love tall guys!
Do you love traveling and have­­ some experience? Just find me out.

Posted by: linda at February 24, 2009 8:31 AM

I think I hurt Pookie's feelings. Sorry, dude...want a hug?

Posted by: David at February 24, 2009 1:50 PM

I think Made goes to jail was an excellent movie like whats funnier than madea going hell r and saying stuff like halluluyer??

Posted by: Elise at March 2, 2009 9:33 PM

There are two different story lines and appeared to me as if I am watching two different movies at the same time. Joe looks uglier than in other movies(may be due to poor makeup). On the whole, its a so-so kind of movie.Better to watch on DVD...

Posted by: Joe Barry at March 11, 2009 5:24 AM

Posted by: John at March 19, 2009 1:24 AM





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