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Tupac: Resurrection / Dustin Rowles

Film Reviews | March 27, 2007 | Comments (74)


I originally planned to do a real-time review of Tupac: Resurrection, believing that it would 1) provoke a little discussion about the merits or demerits of gangsta rap, 2) introduce a little color to this pasty-white boy review site (now featuring a girl!), and 3) offer a multitude of opportunities to drop some of the snarky rapper humor that kids these days are so fond of. Besides, I reckoned that after The Passion of the Christ, I’d focus my real-time reviews on films featuring resurrections in contexts bound to display my utter ignorance of a wide range of subjects. After all, the closest my musical tastes get to gangsta rap is a heavy dose of Rage Against the Machine, with the occasional Kanye or Eminem, and even my ignorant ass recognizes that they hardly count. So, in a way, I thought this review would provide me with a valuable, if humbling, educational experience.

But an odd thing happened while taking my notes: By the half-hour mark, it became apparent that 1) there was little about Tupac’s life that might inspire lame quips, and 2) real-time reviewing this Oscar-nominated documentary was disrespectful not only of its subject but also of the film itself, which — as it turns out — is powerful and eye-opening, particularly for those of us whose knowledge of Tupac Shakur doesn’t extend beyond a general familiarity with his rap sheet, the infectious “California Love,” and a sketchy memory of his premature demise.

Tupac: Resurrection plays out like the best episode of “Behind the Music” that you’ve ever seen, in large part because it uses interview footage from his life, and much of the narration — delivered by Tupac himself — sounds as though it was recorded posthumously. Take, for instance, the ominous opening:

I got shot. I always felt like I’d be shot. Somebody tried to do me harm. Because a lot of people don’t like me. But, I didn’t think it was going to happen at that particular moment. I’m surprised, but I’m happy. I believed that my soul is in God’s hands, and I’m very appreciative to God for everything I’ve gotten to do. … This is my story. A story about ambition, violence, redemption, and love.

The quote is an eerie prelude to the rest of the documentary, which proceeds chronologically, beginning with Tupac’s childhood — his mother was in the upper echelons of the Black Panther movement, and spent most of her pregnancy in prison defending charges that would’ve put her in prison for over 300 years (she argued her case pro se and was acquitted). As a kid, Tupac was an endearing mama’s boy who emulated Arnold from “Diff’rent Strokes,” and started his acting career at the Apollo, in an appearance made in support of Jesse Jackson’s presidential candidacy.

He moved to Baltimore during his teenage years, where he attended a School for the Arts, a predominantly white school with some affluent minorities, like Jada Pinkett, whom he befriended. The school offered him a unique perspective on race; “the same black-crime element that white people were scared of, the black people were scared of,” he offered. “While they were waiting for legislation to pass and everything, we were next door to the killer … and just because we’re black doesn’t mean we get along with the killers.”

Tupac’s reflections on his upbringing present him as an unusually gifted teenager, with a keen understanding of class, the political realities of urban life, and the unique perspective of an impoverished kid who spent his days with wealthy students. It was this perspective, in fact, that informed his first couple of albums, in which he presented the atrocities that plagued the black community — the gangs, the crime, the death, and the drugs — in an effort to draw attention to those problems and not, necessarily, to celebrate them. (Also among the many things I did not know about Tupac Shakur: He started out in the Digital Underground, which you may remember as the rap group responsible for fucking up your prom with “The Humpty Dance.”) Indeed, in the beginning, Tupac sought to do for rap what television cameras did for Vietnam: Present a painful reality in all its graphic detail, in the hopes that it would force people to respond.

But shit turned around real quick when Tupac was 20. He was arrested and severely beaten for jaywalking, which not only warranted a $42,000 settlement against the police (he sued for $10 million) but also initiated Tupac into the criminal life, perhaps proving to him that no matter what he achieved, he was still vulnerable to the fundamental injustices of a racist system. Thereafter, Tupac’s life and music took a sharp turn toward the dark and arguably self-indulgent — his music stopped really being a reflection on the mayhem of urban life and started being more about his own troubles with the law as his rap sheet quickly grew. The film subtly suggests that, in a way, the violence about which Tupac initially tried to raise awareness slowly began to swallow him: He was arrested for shooting two off-duty police officers (the indictment was later tossed); started bad-mouthing his co-workers in the film industry; was jailed for assault; was imprisoned for rape; was shot five times and lived; and, eventually, he was gunned down after a Mike Tyson fight.

The film, which was executive produced by his mother, soft-pedals his increasing paranoia, as well as his troubles with the law — the footage paints him as a victim of circumstances, though it’s easy to read between the lines and understand that to a degree, he facilitated the very circumstances that led to his undoing. He was a fatality of the East Coast/West Coast feud he helped to start, pitting himself and Death Row records against Puff Daddy and Biggie and then seemingly fanning the flames that led to his death.

But the most intriguing aspect of Tupac: Resurrection is the way it presents his many contradictions: A man who celebrated strong women, but wrote overtly misogynistic lyrics; a guy who rapped against gang violence, but participated in it; a person who expressed regret for his past errors of judgment, but went ahead and repeated them; and an artist who tried to rewrite the meaning of “thug,” but — in many ways — lived by, and even further popularized, the old definition. Even more challenging is the way he so honestly critiqued Hollywood, the music industry, and the all the attendant hype, yet ultimately, gave into it himself - hell, he embodied that hype.

This movie demonstrates that Tupac Shakur is a far more compelling figure than I’d anticipated, and his life was as fascinating as anything Shakespeare, one of his biggest influences, could’ve thought up. After spending two hours watching Resurrection, it’s easy to understand why he’s the best selling hip-hop artist of all time. He’s unbelievably charismatic, thoughtful, and remarkably candid about himself. And it’s really strange — and feels almost dishonest given my lack of prior interest or awareness — but this movie left me with a real feeling of loss at the death of Tupac Shakur. As Resurrection suggests, he possessed a beguiling vulnerability that stood in stark contrast to the bluster and bravado of many other guys (Puff Daddy, Snoop Dogg, Dre), and his contradictions made Tupac a more identifiable, honest personality. But, those qualities were also what made him such a quixotic dick: His vulnerability was misleading, because he still went out and spit in reporters’ faces, he still beat the shit out people, shot cops, called women bitches, and participated in a feud with Biggie Smalls that, presumably, killed them both. Yet the struggle with his own identity notwithstanding, Tupac remains a figure who did as much as anyone to bear witness to the problems of urban life. As Resurrection suggests, his tumultuous life and death may provide the most powerful evidence of all.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. He lives with his wife in Ithaca, New York. You may email him, or leave a comment below.


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Comments

Best. Review. Ever.

Posted by: barbadoslim at March 27, 2007 2:11 PM

I had a similar response when Resurrection came out. I walked out of the theatre conflicted. I felt a begrudging respect for the guy, for his honesty and his attempts to express the truth. At the same time, I was pissed off with him for wasting all that potential. He had the talent and the intelligence to create something positive for everyone, but he wasted it on a stupid gangster image and misogynist crap. And then he wasted his actual life, so he will never fulfill that potential.

Sad.

Posted by: JH Maximumm at March 27, 2007 2:17 PM

Dude, I'm SO going to watch this, thanks to this review!!!

Posted by: Jelinas at March 27, 2007 2:27 PM

I *heart* Pajiba!! Marry me, Dustin.

Posted by: kolby at March 27, 2007 2:50 PM

I actually like some of Tupac's stuff, so I'm glad to see this reviewed. It's a fascinating story, rife with contradiction. A victim of the system who eventually becomes an abuser of it, and I think there was a lot more to his life than people think.

As a side note, read "Assata", the biography of Assata Shakur, who is Tupac's godmother. She fled the country in the early 80's and has been living in exile in Cuba ever since. It's another interesting story.

Posted by: TK at March 27, 2007 2:53 PM

I suppose Nick Broomfield approves of this review...he who gave Tupac similar consideration back in 2002.

I'd be interested to hear comments from anyone who's seen both docs and feels like comparing/contrasting.

Posted by: ranylt at March 27, 2007 3:05 PM

Rap music just hasn't been the same since the demise of Tupac and Biggie. I'm 20 years old and I can't even listen to it anymore. There are less than 5 rappers right now who even try to sing about something other than gratuitous boasting of violence, money, and sexual conquests. I cried when he died, and he will never be forgotten.

Posted by: Daisy at March 27, 2007 3:25 PM

Personally, I feel that Tupac's death left the door open for all the Little John's and 50 Cents of the world to vomit up their particular brand of mass market hip hop. Tupac and Biggie were the last of the hip hop artists that created music with intelligence and even foresight.

What are we left with now?
The Game- Tupac for the brain dead
50 Cent- Mike Tyson with a record deal
Akon - Sonuvabitch sounds like UB40.
Chamillionaire - What did we do to deserve you?

Posted by: Manny at March 27, 2007 3:29 PM

I want to see this documentary now. I've heard bits and pieces about Tupac, but mostly from the juvenile felons that I used to work with. Some of them were not as insightful about his life as this review is, but some of them were - though it was hard to tell if they were feeding me a line of bullshit or not. I guess they weren't totally full of crap. This goes on the 'To See' list.

Posted by: stardust savant at March 27, 2007 3:36 PM

You want to send chills down your spine? Go listen to "Hit Em' Up". It's about the most raw, naked and perhaps honest expression of hatred ever put down by a rapper.

I don't mean honest as in good or 'keepin it real', I mean honest as in totally unfiltered and 'not remotely attempting to rationalize or tone down what I'm feeling right now'.

Posted by: madmaxmedia at March 27, 2007 3:56 PM

"...was imprisoned for rape;..."

I'd like to preface this by saying that I'm far from someone who freaks out anytime anyone mentions the word rape.

And I know very, very little about Tupac myself.

However, presuming he was convicted of rape (given that he was actually sent to prison), I find that that dramatically changes how I can let myself see him. Perhaps he was complex, perhaps "the violence about which Tupac initially tried to raise awareness slowly began to swallow him," but this kind of action is abominable, and I find it very far from someone just getting caught up in a life, or in one's surroundings and cohorts.

I understand that you were impressed by the movie, Dustin, but this review brings him a little too close to lionization for my comfort, given his actual actions.

Posted by: cfoo at March 27, 2007 4:29 PM

Hmmm, looks like there are TWO Kolbys here. Don't worry Dustin, as much as I love Pajiba and your reviews, I have no interest in marrying you. I doubt my husband would appreciate another man stealing the big piece of chicken.

Posted by: Kolby at March 27, 2007 4:44 PM

Daisy & Manny, trust me: do some more research. I can easily name a dozen outstanding, talented, and intelligent rap acts who avoid the "guns, bitches and money" shtick. Blackalicious, Mos Def, Lyrics Born, Flipsyde, Cee-Lo Green, MF Doom, Dilated Peoples, Jurassic 5, Common, just to name a few off the top of my head.

It's not as "hard" as Tupac or Biggie, but then, if that's what you're looking for, then you'll have to suffer the violence, misogyny, and constant profiling.

Posted by: TK at March 27, 2007 4:46 PM

You're absolutely right TK. I actually don't like to think of artists like Cee-Lo and Mos Def as hip hop becuase of the current state of the industry. I just think of them as urban musicians.

I wanted to point out some of the more prominent Hip Hop figureheads that are running it into the ground at breakneck speed. But thanks for calling me on it.

Posted by: Manny at March 27, 2007 5:07 PM

"Tupac and Biggie were the last of the hip hop artists that created music with intelligence and even foresight."

I don't know, I always thought Tupac had a touch of the James Dean thing going on (though Dean had no rape conviction) - young, handsome artist cut down in his prime...potentially with an inflated posthumous reputation. I liked his songs, but I can't say that there haven't been terrific rappers since him. Wu-Tang and its progeny? C'mon. They're excellent - I'd argue better than Tupac ever was.

Biggie? Now that dude was a goddamned legend. Unbeatable.

Posted by: Samantha T at March 27, 2007 5:19 PM

cfoo, you can, and should, read about the rape conviction here.

Posted by: juliagulia at March 27, 2007 5:23 PM

(although, of course, the source should be considered.)

I neither know nor care all that much about Tupac Shakur, and I'm loathe to risk getting us all off track into a neverending and hotly debated 300-comment discussion, but I must add that I am baffled by your tone. Fine that he shoots cops, but rape, now that is crossing the line! I guess if I were going to intentionally disallow myself to see Tupac a certain way, my reasons wouldn't begin and end with a conviction for forcibly touching a girl's behind.

I just don't get it. I guess it's those women's studies classes. No higher crime than rape.

Posted by: juliagulia at March 27, 2007 5:33 PM

I disagree with your assessment, juliagulia - the reason I didn't hold him "accountable" for the police shooting is because the review said the indictment was later tossed, which I took as indicative that the charges did not have merit.

At its heart, rape is an extremely violent act, and usually far, far from "forcibly touching a girl's behind." And no one needs a women's studies class to know that.

Posted by: cfoo at March 27, 2007 5:47 PM

The indictment for the cop shooting was tossed, yes, and he was acquitted of forced sodomy charges on the girl and, in fact, convicted for forcibly touching her ass.

Posted by: juliagulia at March 27, 2007 5:52 PM

I'll say this, though, cfoo - his own account of the situation turned my stomach.

Posted by: juliagulia at March 27, 2007 5:57 PM

WOW! I WOULD HAVE NEVER GUESSED!

I come to PAJIBA solely for movie recommendations. I sometimes read the pretentious "I use big words to act smart" comments by people that would benefit greatly more from social interaction than studying a thesaurus... You people must be a BLAST to hang with!

But hey, just had to comment that suprisingly there's some actual hip hop fans on here. Tupac, unlike so much of the garbage we're subjected to today - was an actual musician.

Great review Dustin, glad to see you guys let your PAJIBA's out of its box every so often.

Posted by: Wow at March 27, 2007 6:41 PM

i don't really care about tupac. he was a smart man who fucked himself up. the people i admired the most in rap and hip-hop were and are public enemy, krs-one, a tribe called quest, the jungle brothers. smart people who didn't fuck themselves up.

but i suppose i'm dating myself.

i have to add that people who think that rape is the be-all and end-all crime of the century have taken one too many women's studies classes.

i'd rather be raped and alive than dead. i think most murder victims--tupac included--would likely agree.

Posted by: livvie at March 27, 2007 6:50 PM

I'm glad you watched it because I don't know if I can. Too sad.

But the man released more albums after he died than most people have while still alive.

Of course some of us question whether or not the brother is really dead....

Posted by: Greer at March 27, 2007 8:29 PM

I personally believe that the Rap movement has been hijacked by a cabal of corporate and conservative higher powers to encourage young black males to live dangerously short lives with emphasis on material wealth over family structure. I saw the moving while serving overseas. Pure brilliance.

Posted by: Diablo at March 27, 2007 8:53 PM

I didn't know much about Tupac until I watched Resurrection and Thug Angel (produced by Quincy Jones who's daughter, Kidada, was dating Tupac when he was killed) this past summer. Afterward, I felt the way I felt when I was 14 and was in my Beatles craze. When it really hit home that John Lennon was dead and would never again make music, I was very sad. And I felt this way about Tupac as well.
Tupac was a genius with an incredible work ethic and if he hadn't had such self-destructive tendencies, he could have been a revolutionary leader. It blows my mind to think that he died when he was only 25. Not many people are as accomplished and self-aware as Tupac was when he met his end.

Posted by: celinaq at March 27, 2007 9:48 PM

That was a nice review. I appreciate y'all mixing it up ever now and again.

Posted by: Stephanie Ann at March 27, 2007 9:51 PM

Livvie -- The words "I'd rather be raped" are stupid as hell. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't be a douche about it.

Manny -- "Akon - Sonuvabitch sounds like UB40," and the fact that your blog name gives the world the only reason why P!ATD is allowed to exist.. these two reasons, my friend, are why you have moved into the top ten list of people who get my extra kidney if they ever need one. And I don't even know you, dude. (The people who get dibs on my internal organs are directly proportional to how hard they make me laugh).

Posted by: Catherine at March 28, 2007 1:40 AM

I just have to bust out the cliche - The brightest candles burn quickest. That is the unfortunate way of the world. Tupac's brilliance will never be eclipsed. To this day, I am still saddened by the loss of this extraordinary individual's talents. His personal life is certainly something to abhor, but the level of his talent is something to aspire to.

Posted by: ScarletKnight at March 28, 2007 2:03 AM

Sure ass-touching doesn't connotate the same degree of disgust as rape, but I'd just like to respond to this -

"i'd rather be raped and alive than dead. i think most murder victims--tupac included--would likely agree."

- with, tell me how you feel after you get raped.

Also, nice review.

Posted by: Wanda at March 28, 2007 2:15 AM

*stands at the corner, humming*

Oh? Me? Just looking out for all those fly-by-night commenters who always bitched about racism here. They aren't here? Not a single one? Interesting....

Dammit, Manny. Chamillionaire exists so that Weird Al could have a song to replace his James Blunt parody that got quashed. It says so on his birth certificate.

As far as Tupac, well, he was an artist. And like many artists, his life was f*cked up. It seems to be a law of nature that, in exchange for creativity or genius, that you have to sacrifice any real peace or happiness in your life. I honestly cannot come up with a truly inspiring person that doesn't have some sort of contradiction in their professional and personal lives. He was simply one in a line.

I have to say though, considering all the posthumous records he released, he has a much more credible chance of still being alive than Elvis does. But I doubt anyone is going to release "Tupac-Ho-Tep".

Posted by: Vermillion at March 28, 2007 2:17 AM

Dammit, I really have to make sure I have everything down before I hit that post button.

Might as well express my opinion of the 'rape' issue. True, he did not actually rape her. But whatever went down in that room, when he left, he became an accomplice as far as I'm concerned. To bring up another cliche saying: Evil flourishes where good men do nothing. In his own words he admitted he didn't feel right about how the guys were acting around her. So he should have made sure she left there safe, if he gave a damn.

Livvie: It sounded to me, from the sample of the narration Dustin included, that Tupac was quite comfortable with the idea of dying. His death, while the event itself was a shock, wasn't all that surprising. Just about everyone, including Tupac, knew that his actions were gearing towards a violent end. To say that he would prefer to be raped as opposed to being killed is contrary to his very words.

That said, rape is one of the most horrendous crimes out there. That isn't a 'women's studies' thing. People love to forget that MEN CAN BE RAPED TOO. It shouldn't even be considered a gender issue. Also, your comment ignores the permanent damage of rape, and smacks of the "get over it" attitude some people take about such events. Would you honestly want someone telling you to "walk it off"?

Personally, I would rather die than be raped. Eventually you will die, because that is nature. Fearing death, while understandable, is also futile. Rape is not natural. By it's very definition, it is a violation of a person's body and mind. Those victims that survive, they are plagued with memories of the event, and many are driven to suicide attempts or worse.

In other words, rape > murder.

Posted by: Vermillion at March 28, 2007 2:36 AM

well said, dustin.

Posted by: nimin at March 28, 2007 5:17 AM

To Livvie, and anyone else underestimating the effects of rape on an individual, I strongly suggest you read Alice Sebold's Lucky asap.

Posted by: fran at March 28, 2007 7:17 AM

Perhaps you're underestimating the effects of murder on an individual.
Rape is a heinous crime of course but you can't say that it is better to be dead. Come on, people have an amazing ability to adapt and recover from trauma. Sure you're not going to be the same, but surely its better than not being there at all?
... that's my off-topic bit done.
I found the review extremely interesting. Watching this movie is something that I've avoided mainly because rap really has nothing to do with me and I just can't identify with it. Plus, the rape charges were one of my main reasons for disliking Tupac when he was a live and why I find it very difficult to respect him now that he is dead. I might actually check it out now - although I find it difficult to believe that my feelings on the guy will change too much after watching the film, although I would like to have more insight into his character so I can understand what all the fuss is about.

Posted by: The Chief at March 28, 2007 8:12 AM

How credible is it that Tupac Shakur would have to rape a hoe. Granted, weirder shit HAS happened.. but I know ladies NOW who would throw their panties at his zombified corpse, so I dont see why he would have to force himself on someone. But whatever.

Posted by: Sandy at March 28, 2007 8:29 AM

On the rape issue, Vermillion said it better than I could manage at this hour. Which is somewhat unfortunate, as I'm all grumbly now, but incoherent grumblies help no one. So, seconding that. Yes. Sleep now.

Posted by: the hel at March 28, 2007 9:16 AM

Well, I don't think I need to jump in on the rape-vs-murder issue. I'd say that Vermillion and the Chief covered both sides quite nicely. But Vermillion - Tupac Ho-Tep? That's fantastic. But god forbid it catches on, because then there would spawn a million "Ho-Tep" knock-offs, and the premise for that beautiful movie would denigrate into a Scary Movie franchise.

And Livvie, if you're dating yourself, then we're around the same age. I was raised on those groups, and in fact saw Tribe & De La Soul together in concert (one word: WOW). But there are still some great groups out there that carry their ideas forward. Don't give up on it just yet.

Posted by: TK at March 28, 2007 9:20 AM

I'll definitely see this if/when it comes out in Europe; however, I'm a bit wary of documentaries produced by the subjects' family members. Tribute - yes, truth - perhaps not so much. Either way well worth seeing though, thanks for the heads-up.

Posted by: cinekat at March 28, 2007 9:27 AM

I just want to express my gratitude for the decision to eschew the real-time process. Great review.

Posted by: hb at March 28, 2007 10:51 AM

Vermillion, may you live a long, happy life for mentioning one of the greatest "B" movies ever made. Bubba-Ho-Tep will forever live in my memory.

Can I get an Amen?

Posted by: Manny at March 28, 2007 11:34 AM

Basically, the message I get from some of you is that a rape past is acceptible, if you like the artist. It reminds me of friends who ignored rape accusations against John Lennon (in The Lives of John Lennon), and at least tolerance of rape against Jim Morrison (in No One Gets Out of Here Alive).

Were these accusations true, false? The fans don't care. There's even an attitude that it's no more than their right; they're ARTISTS, you know.

Tupac? He wasted his life and talent to beome a racist cliche. Shame.

Posted by: Janis at March 28, 2007 12:16 PM

I can appreciate a lot of Tupac's music much in the way I appreciate NWA. It is sad thing that Suge Night is the one who made the money and is still making money on him. He's probably the one that got him killed. I mean how many posthumous albums have come out...most suck...but because it says Tupac people by it...

Posted by: jotthedot at March 28, 2007 12:51 PM

sorry, totally irregardless of the movie review.
It makes me sad that a few people seem to think that rape is not as an egregious crime as murder. If you or anyone you know has been raped or sexually abused, you would not be so offhanded in your comments about rape.

Please dont belittle this crime by making flippant staements. I was raped as a teenager, suffered enough guilt and shame to consider suicide (would that make my rapist guilty of attempted murder?), I have never taken a womens studies class, and yes, an accusation of rape does affect my opinon of someone more than an accusation of attempted murder.

I tend to believe the accuser, since you have NO IDEA what a woman who accuses rape goes through. It is not pleasant, and I cant see why anyone would go through it unecessarily. So I assume he did rape, or attempt to rape a woman, and, well, that is a crime of extreme hate and control, he must have hated himself very much to do it.

I can“t see how he was so caught up in his circumstances that he was forced to rape. Child soldiers in guatemala, yes, were forced to rape or be shot, but Tupac, Im sorry, he doesnt get a pass on this one.

Posted by: frogirl at March 28, 2007 3:33 PM

I find it disappointing that rape should only be addressed here as "a woman issue". Men are raped every day. There can be no "pain scale"- no one is entitled to judge someone else's assessment of a traumatic event, be it rape, or psychological torture, as tricky a thing to define as any.
Tupac's lyrics in his later oeuvre were very mysogynistic and although I do not find it good to say that popular culture is to blame for individual actions, his influence and stress on "Thug life" is a serious problem for me. I enjoy his music generally "Brenda has a baby" makes me cry almost every time I hear it. I agree with Dustin that one feels pity at the end of the movie, because under different circumstances, Tupac would have not felt the need to associate with Death Row records and LA gangs...And then rationalize it as some sort of Black power movement.

Posted by: Sara at March 28, 2007 3:51 PM

frogirl... I absolutely and totally agree with you... except for one thing. I don't mean to diminish your suffering in any way, and cannot fathom what it must have been like. BUT... those are your experiences. And other people have other experiences, thoughts, ideas, and pain and suffering that they have gone through. While I would never say that YOU should think one is worse than the other... I wouldn't say that anyone else should either.

I've had someone close to me murdered. It was, for me, the absolute worst thing in the world. They are both horrific, terrible crimes. But the effect on the individual (and their loved ones) is going to be different for each person.

Did that make sense?

Posted by: I Love Beets at March 28, 2007 4:12 PM

I might not have watched this, but after reading the review, I probably will.

I thought Diablo's comment was interesting and I wonder if you've read Where You're At, which talks a lot about underground hip hip movements happening around the world. I consider (underground) hip hop to be a lifestyle/philosophy just as much as it is a genre of music. 99% of the stuff that you hear and see advertised as hip hop does not have anything to do with it.

Posted by: Karina at March 28, 2007 4:16 PM

I guess I can see how victims of rape would say they'd rather be dead. I suppose if you're dead, you don't have to go through the experience of reliving the trauma of your rape.

However - and I assume this will offend a lot of you and I apologize for that in advance - I find that line of thinking rather... selfish. I suspect that the loved ones of rape victims, while horrified and angry, are also relieved that said rape victim is still alive to tell the tale. I highly doubt that the loved ones of rape victims (at least in societies in which rape is not considered the fault of the victim) ever say, "Geez, I wish they'd just killed her so that she wouldn't have to deal with this."

I've never been raped (although some women would certainly consider the circumstances surrounding the loss of my virginity "date rape" - I don't, but some would), but it's probably safe to say that I wouldn't enjoy the experience. I would certainly be mentally destroyed if I had the misfortune of being gang raped (because that's one that, ooh, it just freaks me right the fuck out).

However, given that I do not live in a society in which raped women are generally considered fallen and also given that am old and wise enough to not blame myself, as younger women tend, understandably, to do, I think I would prefer to deal with the consequences of a rape than a murder.

I'm a parent, and as such, if I were given the choice between being raped or murdered, I'd take the former hands down. Better I relive my trauma every day than not be around to raise my son.

Posted by: juliagulia at March 28, 2007 4:49 PM

THANK YOU for writing an actual review and an awesome one at that.

real-time reviews should be left for straight-to-dvd fare.

and i'm not even going to go there on everything else.

Posted by: leigh at March 28, 2007 7:30 PM

"I find it disappointing that rape should only be addressed here as "a woman issue". Men are raped every day."


Yeah....but about one time to every hundred times women are raped. I'm not minimizing male rape, which I'm sure is horrific, but, statistically, it's a crime that males commit against females.

Posted by: Samantha T at March 28, 2007 7:48 PM

Personally? It's REALLY scary that people are comparing rape and murder, trying to argue which one is worse or more traumatic. Frankly, it's a futile argument, and it shouldn't even be up for debate. I have a crazy thought - how about I wouldn't want (for myself or anyone else) to be raped OR murdered? I like Pajiba, and really like reading the different POVs, but sometimes....

As for Tupac, I enjoyed his earlier material, and it's a shame that he got caught up. Especially with the self-awareness he possessed. Although, and this is the rare instances I disagree with Vermillion, I think "tragic artist" is a bit of a stereotype. I'm sure for every brillant musician who has succumbed to their inner demons, there are 5-6 who haven't. It's just sexier and more compelling to hear about the troubled ones. Normalcy, for many, is boring, and I just don't think we hear about those who are creative yet not half-crazy.

Posted by: Daphne at March 28, 2007 8:07 PM

first off, irregardless is not a word.

secondly, i will try not to give up completely on new rap/hip-hop. i did forget to mention that i love wu-tang. :D

why is it so scary that people are debating which is worse, rape or murder? what's the big deal?

i said it before and i'll say it again. i would much, much rather be raped than to be murdered.

end of story.

my mother had the shit beat out of her and was raped by my father on and off for approximately a six-and-a-half year period during their marriage. guess what? my mother is much happier now that has a new, loving husband, gets to do the things she always wanted to do--like travel the world--and is, most importantly, ALIVE. golly. i guess i should call her up and tell her she'd be better off dead. right, catherine? now who sounds like a douche?

don't assume that people who make comments like mine have no experience of the fallout or the trauma that results from the act. i lived in a hellhole for fifteen years because of my mother's inability to get away from this man, and believe me, it has caused a tremendous amount of pain. listen to your mom get beaten up and raped repeatedly in a house with paper thin walls, and then tell me what opinion i'm allowed to have, thanks.

or is someone now going to make a inane distinction between marital rape vs. date rape vs. gang rape vs. stranger rape and how one is less traumatic or horrifying than the others? please. all rape is traumatic for the woman involved, but if anyone here is actually saying that they would honestly rather be dead, then i think you honestly need to see a psychiatrist.

Posted by: livvie at March 28, 2007 8:35 PM

Dustin, you're about ten years late, but welcome.

Re: the discussion on Rape vs Murder, I'm with Daphne; what has that got to do with Tupac's life or legacy? He was the brilliant tortured product of a violent society.

And I think that a whole bunch of people here would benefit from that women's studies class.

Posted by: Kaybie at March 28, 2007 8:45 PM

I wish I could remember the name of the book I read this in, I believe it was written by the LAPD detective who investigated the ties between Suge Knight and the murders of Tupac and Biggie. He actually stated in his book that while Tupac was in prison he was gang raped and continually sexually and physically harrassed by fellow inmates, which in part led to his signing those contracts with Suge Knight and Death Row Records (selling his soul to the devil). Suge Knight paid his bail in return.

Posted by: Ali at March 28, 2007 8:46 PM

TK- All those people you named are barely rappers and they all suck.

Samantha T- WU Tang came out before tupac.

Posted by: Rob at March 28, 2007 9:20 PM

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Posted by: !!$hOrTy! at March 28, 2007 9:23 PM

livvie,
You completely contradicted yourself. You chastise others about not allowing your opinions, then turn around and suggest that someone needs to see a psychiatryst for theirs? Whatever.

What's the big deal about comparing rape and murder? Speaking for myself, it's a dumbass comparison. There's tremendous loss and suffering involved in both, and they affect different people in different ways. Trying to quantify that by stating which is worse is ludicrous. It's like comparing the African slave trade and the Holocaust (which I've also observed hellacious arguments about). They were both wrong, and both cost a lot of lives and trauma for a group of people. What's selfish to me is the attitude, "Hey, my suffering is worse than yours!". It's petulant, divisive, and counter-productive. And that's what the discussion is driving toward, IMO.
Sometimes, a line doesn't HAVE to be drawn, which folks on one side or the other.

Posted by: Daphne at March 28, 2007 9:25 PM

Sorry - that last line was supposed to read -

A line doesn't have to be drawn, with folks on one side or the other.

Posted by: Daphne at March 28, 2007 9:28 PM

that's all fine with me, daphne, but when i posted what i did initially, there was a shitstorm of comments about how stupid i was and what a douche i was. i wasn't the one who drew that line with 'folks on one side or the other.'

so forgive me for not coming across as all-understanding and nicey nice, since most of the people telling me what an asshole i am is rooted in their assumptive notion that i have no clue what i'm talking about, i.e. no experience with rape or its aftermath.

and yes. i believe that if you would rather be dead than alive, then a person should seek help for that belief. don't you? if you had a friend who'd been raped and was repeatedly telling you she'd rather die than be here, wouldn't you tell her to get help? that life is worth living? rape is a traumatizing event that one can recover from. my mother did and i'm sure many other women can and do as well. my opinion is that there are crimes worse than rape. like murder. period. i'm lucky my mother is still alive. she is lucky she's still alive.

excuse me, but your idea that the discussion is 'a dumbass comparison' is just what you said it was--speaking for yourself. other people may have other opinions.

Posted by: livvie at March 28, 2007 9:53 PM

Livvie, my apologies, but saying "I'd rather be raped than murdered" was being a douche. (As in, I don't know you personally so I can't comment on you as a whole, but what you said was -in my opinion- stupid). But as you are allowed to state a bold opinion, I'm allowed to share my thoughts that the way you went about it was dumb.

Also, you're taking everyone else's comments and using me as the catch-all, when what I said was the least offensive of all. I didn't make any assumptions about what your past experiences have been, what is better to deal with what is worse, nothing. I just think the way you phrase your opinion was completely stupid and said as such. Death is not always a person's worst fear, and your assertions to the opposite were jarring and bitchy to me.

I feel bad for your mom, but I don't see the need in pulling her out like some trump card to try to make me feel stupid. Especially since it didn't work.

Posted by: Catherine at March 28, 2007 11:52 PM

this is stupid as it has absolutely nothing to do with the film any longer, but my mom is not a trump card. your phrasing her as such is completely stupid and strikes me as jarring and bitchy as well. i was trying to make a point, which is that life is always worth living.

don't patronize me by telling me you 'feel bad' for her either, thanks. especially since she would have said the exact same thing as i did regarding rape and murder, which i guess in your book would make her a douche as well? classy, very classy.

i could care less whether anything said here has made you feel stupid or not.

Posted by: livvie at March 29, 2007 2:33 AM

He's a bit like Hamlet isn't he.

It just goes to show that a guy with his talents in his days could do nothing to break away from the stereotype. He finally gave in to fulfil the self prophecy already depicted.

I think Tupac should be studied in schools.
Make it a a real Shakespeare drama.

Posted by: Jean at March 29, 2007 5:04 AM

Bobby Knight once said...ah forget it.

Why is there an argument about whether rape or murder is worse? This could only happen on the internets.

They're both really, really bad- what more needs to be said?

As far as Tupac goes, both the shooting and the sodomy/rape case are filled with unsubstantiated details that no one here will ever know. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't (hopefully he didn't.) But to argue beyond that seems pointless.

Posted by: madmaxmedia at March 29, 2007 12:21 PM

"A man who celebrated strong women, but wrote overtly misogynistic lyrics; a guy who rapped against gang violence, but participated in it; a person who expressed regret for his past errors of judgment, but went ahead and repeated them; and an artist who tried to rewrite the meaning of "thug,""

It's called hypocrisy, and the faster we move away from it and all thug worship and we start acting like we've got some GODAMNED sense the better. Hip -hop and and its commercialized "culture" is the new slavery.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 29, 2007 1:33 PM

TK- All those people you named are barely rappers and they all suck.

Samantha T- WU Tang came out before tupac.

Rob, you're an uninformed idiot. Wu Tang's first album? 1993. Tupac's first album? 1991.

Also, there's a thing called difference of opinion. Except for your being a dick. That's a fact.

Posted by: TK at March 30, 2007 11:52 AM

"i'd rather be raped and alive than dead. i think most murder victims--tupac included--would likely agree.

Posted by: livvie at March 27, 2007 6:50 PM"

I can't believe you said that, and so dismissive-ly, as if that makes it ok for Tupac to have participated in a rape, at least it wasn't murder.

And to make it sound like the only people who think rape is horrible must have taken "women studies" classes. Wow, you are a fountain of compassion.

I agree with the person who said there does not have to be a line drawn for this. Rape and murder are both awful. I would rather be robed then murdered, but raped? I'll take neither thanks.

Posted by: ppttfff at March 30, 2007 7:41 PM

Robed, haha, I meant robbed.

Posted by: ppttfff at March 30, 2007 7:43 PM

TK - thanks for backing up my chronology! I was confident Wu-Tang came out after Tupac. As I mentioned earlier, I always found boyfriend overrated, both musically and lyrically. Not untalented, just overrated. He also sounds like he was a huge fucking dirtbag, as well. I always thought "Dear Mama" was so manipulative in that in came out in the wake of the whole sexual assault thing. I never, ever bought that this guy had an ounce of sensitivity. This was a guy who was tight with Suge Knight, who remains notorious for his links to violent crime. Doesn't mean he deserved to be gunned down in his prime, of course, but I can't put him in the "tortured artist" category that easily.

I do love "California Love", though. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Posted by: Samantha T at March 30, 2007 11:59 PM

Calling women bitches is the least of his crimes against the fairer sex. He spent a year in jail for rape, though I wouldn't be surprised if this celebratory documentary failed to mention that.
However, back to the "bitches" issue...if you knew anything about his musical output you would know that Tupac also released songs that honored women, such as "Keep Ya Head Up", "Brenda's Got a Baby" and "Dear Mama". Which is more than anyone can say for Kanye "Golddigger" West and Eminem-- probably the most misogynistic popular rapper *ever*-- of whom you claim to be a bit of a fan.

Posted by: Unimpressed at March 31, 2007 11:14 PM

Sorry for the extended rant (because I usually adore your reviews), but it never fails to irritate me that it is white, male suburban reviewers like yourself that are so incredibly condescending to black musicians like Tupac, who, although he possessed a definite dirtbag side, also produced brilliant, socially aware music. Meanwhile, Eminem, a glorified pottymouth, is declared the second coming of christ. And, of course, anyone who's a just a tad annoyed by his low-brow jabs at women and gays "just doesn't get it".

Posted by: Unimpressed at March 31, 2007 11:22 PM

And to make it sound like the only people who think rape is horrible must have taken "women studies" classes. Wow, you are a fountain of compassion.

To be fair to Livvie, I think it's worth pointing out that she wasn't the one who originally referenced women's studies with regard to rape - that was juliagulia.

Posted by: Daphne at April 1, 2007 12:33 PM

"Meanwhile, Eminem, a glorified pottymouth, is declared the second coming of christ. And, of course, anyone who's a just a tad annoyed by his low-brow jabs at women and gays "just doesn't get it".

I actually think it's equally condescending to abstain from criticizing Shakur and attribute his violence and misogyny as the product of "conflict" simply because he's not white. Frankly, Eminem's upbringing was really not all that different with respect to access - indeed, Shakur came from a more socially conscious background than Eminem did and had a far better education than Eminem did.

I don't think anybody thinks Eminem has enlightening lyrics. Technically speaking, however, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a hip-hop artist, black or white, who doesn't consider Eminem to be among the best in the business.

Posted by: Eric C at April 2, 2007 12:09 PM

"Personally, I would rather die than be raped. Eventually you will die, because that is nature. Fearing death, while understandable, is also futile. Rape is not natural. By it's very definition, it is a violation of a person's body and mind. Those victims that survive, they are plagued with memories of the event, and many are driven to suicide attempts or worse.

In other words, rape > murder.

Posted by: Vermillion at March 28, 2007 2:36 AM"


Damn well said, Vermillion! I feel exactly the same way.

Posted by: Loob at April 11, 2007 11:25 PM

Wow vermillion. So I guess murder isn't a violation of someone's body or mind. I'm pretty sure killing someone is the height of violent acts seeing as you're actually ending someone's life. Murder goes a little beyond psychological and physical trauma.

Posted by: ap at April 12, 2007 10:45 PM

why hasn't 2 pac come out if hiding if he is still alive??? i he was still alive he would be writing more awsome songs

Posted by: Jessica at April 30, 2007 4:37 PM