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Tropic Thunder / Dustin Rowles

Film Reviews | August 15, 2008 | Comments (88)


Tropic Thunder is the last tent pole release of the summer 2008. Breathe it in, chippies. Even Punxatawney Phil could accurately predict the coming six weeks of cinematic misery, as the studios shovel their fetid remains into the gap between the blockbusters and the Oscar contenders (save for Burn after Reading in mid-September). Fortunately, the summer of 2008 goes out, not so much with a bang or even a whimper, but a nice whack — a thump, even. The great news about Tropic Thunder is that there are three and a half solid reasons for watching it. The unfortunate news, however, is that there are only three and a half solid reasons for watching it.

The first is obvious: Robert Downey, Jr. owns Tropic Thunder. A dude playing a dude disguised as another dude steals just about every second within every minute of every scene he is in. Even when he’s given mediocre material to work with, he transcends it while firmly maintaining a supporting role, so the shtick blessedly doesn’t get old and, assuming there’s not an unnecessary sequel, you can find comfort in the knowledge that Downey has created one of the great characters in comedic history (and there is no one, I’d argue, that could’ve come close to pulling it off as well as Downey — anybody else and it would’ve been laughable, over-the-top, and offensive, instead of silly, ridiculous and, in its implicit commentary on the hubris of white America and the egotism of actors, pretty insightful too).

The second reason: The premise, actually, is one of the few creative ideas to come down the studio pipeline in a very long time. It’s not a sequel, a remake, a comic-book adaptation, a one-note comedy that revolves around a sport or talking dead people or a man stuck in a state of arrested development (neither is it a movie that requires intoxicants to fully appreciate). It’s also, remarkably, a smart comedy, and though the execution frequently falls flat, it’s still great to see someone trying something different. It doesn’t have quite the number of layers a Charlie Kaufmann script might, but it’s about as meta as you’re going to get in the middle of August.

The half reason: Jay Baruchel, in another stand-out performance that will likely be forgotten when all is said and done, as was his incredible performance in Million Dollar Baby (Baruchel is, after all, the forgotten member of the Apatow comedy troupe, and maybe it’s best that way, so we can still quietly enjoy him). Baruchel is good here particularly because he plays a version of himself, or at least a version of the perception we have of him, an important distinction I’ll explain shortly.

And the third reason: Tom motherfucking Cruise. I shit you not, folks — every time Tropic Thunder begins to drag, Ben Stiller (who co-wrote and directed) is smart enough to whip out the trick up his sleeve: a foul-mouth, power-hungry, hip-hop loving amalgamation of Harvey Weinstein, Michael Eisner, Sunner Redstone, and Tom Cruise himself. Downey’s scenes are situationally funny, but as the comedic counterpart to Frank T.J. Mackey, the Tom Cruise stuff is flat-out hilarious, in some part because of the material, but mostly because it’s Tom Cruise who has finally found his hidden sense of humor. We knew it was in there, buddy. We may never see it again, but thanks to a grand total of nine or ten minutes in Tropic Thunder, we’ll always know that it once existed. You could probably float a balloon on the hot air that must’ve filled the room when he finally pulled the half-popped corn cob out of his ass, but the result is one of the greatest glorified cameos I’ve ever witnessed.

Beyond that, and the ROFLMAWMTSD — Roll on the Floor Laughing My Ass off While Murdering Text-Speak Douchebags — fake trailers that open the film, Tropic Thunder is decidedly mediocre, but it’s hard to complain too much when 40% of a studio film is kick your grandma funny, while the other 60% is merely middling . It’s just that it really could have been a 100% comedic gem. The problem, mostly, is Ben Stiller himself, who even when writing his own potentially funny material, just doesn’t have it. He pulls out the same taking-it-five-steps too far brand of over-the-top hackneyism that Stiller has always traded in — that blind, doe-eyed naiveté and the overdone narcissism, a variation on his Derek Zoolander character. He has one speed, and it’s Floor It, no matter how many he brick walls has to run his head through or how many other actors’ performances he has to step all over. Likewise, Jack Black and his character are a blight on Tropic Thunder, and his plotline — a heroin-addicted actor stranded in the jungle without a hook-up — offers about a nanosecond of humor. Black is a major drag on the momentum that the movie frequently builds. Meanwhile, Matthew McConaughey, who has the other glorified cameo, is nearly as bad as Black, but he at least serves a purpose, which is to get Tom Cruise’s character involved.

But again, while conceding that Tropic Thunder is a good comedy — if you check your brain, summer movie escapism, great way to kill two hours, blah blah blah — my biggest gripe is in the way that Stiller and Co. created a brilliant comedic premise, offered up all the raw materials for a great Hollywood satire, and then half-assed it. The movie wants to make you believe that it’s skewering the movie industry, but in fact, it’s only satirizing the perception those in Hollywood believe we have of them. Instead of giving us war-movie caricatures — the Texan, the token black guy, the natural leader, the gunner, etc. — it gives us Hollywood caricatures — the drug addict, the egotistical action hero, the method actor, the geek, and, well, the token black guy. The only “inside baseball” we get here is the obvious notion that everyone in Hollywood is on coke and/or an insecure prima donna, and that studio executives are obsessed with the bottom line. No shit. Beyond that, Stiller seems afraid to take it too far; he’s made a movie within a movie where characters are lampooning other characters, but they never break the third wall and, in essence, makes fun of themselves or anything else besides the broad categories they believe we put all actors into.

Indeed, while some may have found the meta humor in George Clooney’s Oceans series a little too masturbatory, Tropic Thunder is like masturbation with a condom on — they want you to believe they’re making fun of themselves, but they’re insulated by the Hollywood caricatures they’ve sheathed themselves in. And when you’ve got Downey, McConaughey, Stiller, and Black in your cast, it seems a shame to pass up so many stellar opportunities for self-deprecation (there is not one awright, awright, for instance). Only Cruise plays on his own persona, which is what makes his scenes so tremendously funny (and no, I don’t like Cruise either — nobody does, but that doesn’t make the part any less inspired). Tropic Thunder is a fun movie, but if it had bared its fangs a little, it could’ve been great. But then again, it’s hard to expect a bunch of insecure prima donnas to take the sort of risks that might reflect on them poorly. Plus, there is that bottom line to think of.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. He lives with his wife and son in Portland, Maine. Please leave a comment or send an email.


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Comments

Robert Downey Jr. does a fine job in this film, but I also believe that the movie with C. Thomas Howell pretending to be an African-American was right up therein the comedy ranks too. Thanks for the review. It was pretty dang accurate

Posted by: Conrad (last name withheld) at August 14, 2008 2:08 PM

I can't wait to see this if only for RDJ's performance.
Yes, I know I am probably the only one who will say this here at Pajiba, but I don't think there is anything that will totally and irreversibly kill my adoration for Jack Black because I love Tenacious D that much ::commence beratement NOW::

Posted by: lux at August 14, 2008 2:10 PM

The problem, mostly, is Ben Stiller himself, who even when writing his own potentially funny material, just doesn't have it. He pulls out the same taking-it-five-steps too far brand of over-the-top hackneyism that Stiller has always traded in...He has one speed, and it's Floor It, no matter how many he brick walls has to run his head through or how many other actors' performances he has to step all over.

I think you have just articulated what I could never express in words--the reason that Ben Stiller and his brand of "humor" elicits nothing more than a yawn combined with a sneer, which usually gives me face cramps. I really hate that.

The fake trailers I've seen, however, are gut-busting, and the "making-of documentary" I recently saw online was pretty damn funny. I think Mr. Stiller ought to quit trying to make feature-length films and just concentrate on shorts. His talents seem to be well suited to that medium.

Posted by: Jerce at August 14, 2008 2:12 PM

Just caught this movie last night. It seemed to draw some of that ubiquitous stoner crowd away from Pineapple Express (myself included). You're dead on with the review, Dustin. It seemed like it couldn't make up its mind what sort of movie it wanted to be, and so it bombarded the viewer with every time of joke it could think of (read: drugs, action spoof, gross-out, "in-jokes"), foregoing a satirical thematic uppercut. I must say, RDJ is as good as advertised...but what struck me as funniest: his "black-cent" is better than his australian accent. Overall, definitely worth a watch. And Tom Cruise had the whole theater in tears, for sure.

Posted by: jbag at August 14, 2008 2:12 PM

Oh, I forgot - in another review I read of this flick (I know...thou shalt not worship false idols of Godtopus), the reviewer mentioned the Stiller part was originally written for Keanu Reeves. WooOOAH. I thought that would've made for more tongue-in-cheek Reeves is a bad actor jokes...instead of Stiller merely actually being a bad actor.

Posted by: jbag at August 14, 2008 2:15 PM

Can't wait until this comes out on DVD.

Posted by: katy at August 14, 2008 2:17 PM

lux, you'll hear no berating from me - even if they never make another album, The D will live on in my heart for the rest of my life. Jack Black can do all the animated panda movies he wants, I don't care - I'll never stop loving him.

I'm bummed to hear this wasn't as good as I was hoping. I'm not surprised to hear it was mostly Stiller who fucked up the proceedings, though. The man just doesn't understand comedic subtlety. (Says the girl who just professed her adoration for Jack Black.)

Posted by: Another Jen at August 14, 2008 2:18 PM

Thaaank you for your review Dustin. I mostly agree... I had high hopes for this to be bust-a-gut hilarious, but it kind of just coasted for a while. **QUASI-SPOILER ALERT** While Cruise was pretty frickin' funny throughout the film, I have to say that his last scene in the movie turned me off. It was just so... gross, and gimmicky, and trying hard to be funny, when it was just a douchebag dancing to some douchey music. It didn't make me laugh at all.

Posted by: b at August 14, 2008 2:26 PM

Because of Stiller's involvement I gave this movie a "wait for reviews" status. Plus I don't jerk off to my RDJ poster every night like 77% of the Pajibans do. So even though RDJ is gracing us with his presence on screen, I needed some convincing. And you have just about done it Dustin. But, since to my knowledge none of my friends service their slongs to their RDJ posters I'm not sure if I can convince anyone to see this movie with me.

Posted by: Dave at August 14, 2008 2:32 PM

Thanks for the review. Been waiting for your opinion. I am bummed that they found a diamond in the rough and were too lazy or full of themselves to polish it. But at least it's still a diamond.

Big Jack Black fan here, but he's not growing at all and his schtick will soon be as tired as Stiller's. May Stiller never star in his own movies again. One trick ponies should be relegated to one trick cameos.

Speaking of great cameos, Bruce Willis on Mad About You is still my all times favorite TV cameo. Laughed my ass off!

Posted by: altan at August 14, 2008 2:33 PM

Oh bugger. Here I was hoping for comedic genius (I know, I know...). The premise was such a scream....

Well, at least half funny beats no funny.

This weekend is off to a second-run theatre for an encore of Wall-E. Maybe next weekend for Tropic Thunder.

Iron Man's already gone, so no more of that, but then I already saw it twice...

Never cared one way or another about RDJ before, but developing an interest.

Posted by: BJS1109 at August 14, 2008 2:34 PM

C. Thomas Howell?...I fucking hate you Conrad.

Posted by: jM at August 14, 2008 2:37 PM

Man, I was looking forward to both this and Pineapple Express. Why can't there be anyone who can make an excellent comedy anymore? Where are all the brilliant comedic filmmakers today? Why does America thrive on and award mediocrity? It just pisses me off that there can't be a great funny movie anymore. Of course, I'll still go see them both, but I'm prepared to be let down, yet again.

Sorry to get my panties in a bunch. Carry on.

Posted by: Helcat at August 14, 2008 2:39 PM

lux et al., count me in on the Jack Black/Tenacious D lovefest. Love his brand of humour (although he completely lost me on Nacho Libre, which I couldn't even make it halfway through).

Although this is the second review I've read this week saying that his performance sucks hard, I'll still give my guy a chance.

Posted by: MO(meaux) at August 14, 2008 2:44 PM

i know you guys are gonna give me a beating for this but whats the deal with all the RDJ love i mean i loved him in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and Ironman even as Wayne Gail , but come on this guy made some shit movies and by some i mean like 50 . Have at me all you want but watch him on old Ally Mcbeal eps. or go rent the Shaggy fucking Dog , what about Gothica . the list goes on and on and on . I have not seen Tropic Thunder yet and im sure he tears that movie up but stop acing like he is Brando reborn .

Posted by: gilp at August 14, 2008 2:45 PM

but they're insulated by the Hollywood caricatures they've sheaved themselves in

"Sheaved", Dustin? Really? I'm going to run with the theory that you actually meant to say this...the image of pricks on pulleys is the sort of odd delight your twisted brain might actually shart out.

Posted by: Che Grovera at August 14, 2008 2:50 PM

Ahem...


Tropic Thunder...in my pants.

Posted by: MG at August 14, 2008 2:53 PM

I dont even remember when but didnt spike lee got majorly pissed at russel crowe when he asked him to play a black character. i dont even remember when was this, i feel it was more a year ago so I guess it's impossible that the movie took on that episode, but how freaking amazing is this coincidence? if it's not is still freaking amusing. whoever makes fun of russel crowe and his whalish ego has full rights on my utero

Posted by: rio at August 14, 2008 2:56 PM

Helcat, don't listen to Dustin about Pineapple Express. Julie and I saw a screening of it before it came out (in a packed theater) and nearly pissed ourselves laughing. And so did everyone else there. Of course, we did see the screening after spending some quality time at the khyber for happy hour, but I don't think that clouded our judgement.

Posted by: thejodester at August 14, 2008 3:01 PM

Phewey. I had a feeling this one would not live up to expectations. But as long as the funny bits aren't all in the trailer, I'll go see it. I'm still holding onto an as yet unused free ticket from my Regal points, so at least I can't grumble about being out $8.50 (or however much they're ripping us off at the box office).

Thanks to everyone else on this thread who have confessed a love of Jack Black I now I know there are others like me, I am not ashamed to admit he also has special little nook in my heart. And not just because my son loves Po Panda.

And while we are in a confessional mood, I happen to rather like Zoolander. It's silly and absurd, but it sure makes me giggly. The word trashique alone is enough to crack my shit up.

Posted by: Alabamapink at August 14, 2008 3:03 PM

I am the only one in my immediate movie-going circle that would rather gauge my eyes out than watch any Ben Stiller or Jack Black film. I just don't get their appeal at all. (Though I loved Tenacious D at one time.) I'll pass on this one.

Posted by: monkeyhateclean at August 14, 2008 3:04 PM

While I'm going to agree with MO et al. on this one, I watched the movie yesterday, and at this point, the problem isn't that Ben and Jack aren't funny, it's just that, well, it's the same basic thing we've forked over ten bucks to see a dozen other times. I mean yes, it was funny the first time, but you're actors, for fuck's sake! It wouldn't kill you to do smething different once in a while.

That being said, RDJ was fucking priceless. Baruchel, while he didn't get as much screen time as he deserved, was endearing to say the least. Tom "He's you're problem, breeders!" Cruise was surprisingly funny, and SPOILERS! Jackson delivered a surprisingly inoffensive performance of a downlow man. END SPOILERS!

Posted by: Jeremy at August 14, 2008 3:06 PM

Gilp: I agree that RDJ has made some terrible movies, but he's good in them. He has a certain charisma that's hard to put my finger on, cause I normally hate chainsmoking, drug addicts.

Posted by: BWeaves at August 14, 2008 3:07 PM

Helcat, just don't listen to Dustin 99.9% of the time. Pineapple Express and Tropic Thunder are good movies suitable for an August evening. I normally despise Apatow involved media, but I really liked Pineapple Express and I haven't been stoned in 20 years.

Posted by: Adam C at August 14, 2008 3:15 PM

...and forgetting to close a bold tag on an edit, makes me a douche as well...

Posted by: Adam C at August 14, 2008 3:16 PM

Cannot stand Ben Stiller...love RDJ. Ah, the conundrum. Can Tom Cruise be the tie-breaker?

Posted by: Cindy at August 14, 2008 3:23 PM

I will always love RDJ- especially in Back to School, Less than Zero, and Wonder Boys. Nobody projects gleeful mayhem (enjoyed) so well. He's exactly what I look for in a drinking buddy- someone who is still standing at 3 am when shit gets interesting. He'd also be fun in an ER waiting room. I'm just saying...

I showed my Scottish friend the MTV skit with Ben Stiller/Tom Cruise stuntdouble interview and she just about crapped her pants at the creepiness. We couldn't tell if Tom was "laughing" or "laughing while making plans to shiv Ben in the alleyway after they call cut". Ha ha HA HA HA *crazy eyes*

Posted by: amanda47 at August 14, 2008 3:24 PM

Shooby dooby ding dong! Crap on a stick! Well, even if it isn't all that I had hoped for, I am still absotively going this weekend. RDJ's stuff looks hilarious, and everything I have heard about the Cruise bits sound too good to miss.

JB CAN be funny. That's what hurts. I mean, the guy knows how to do it...I just think he ate the instructions somewhere along the way....maybe some cheese dripped off his pizza onto them or something sometime after "School of Rock" and he just....ate them.

As for Stiller...there is NO excuse. You grow up with THOSE parents and come out like.....that. I mean, really. Just, go home already. You lucked out by having a cute wife. She puts up with your eye-rolling, jerky, twabbly shit, but do the rest of us have to? No, so just go home, look up at that big painting of yourself from "Dodgeball" and think about how the DNA lottery screwed you over. Stop making movies with, and thereby trying to ruin the careers of folks like RDJ, Dick Van Dyke, Drew Barrymore, Alan Tudyk, and Steve Coogan.....and OH HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!

Has anyone seen this?????? OH GODTOPUS, TAKE ME TO THY WATERY HOME NOWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!

From IMDb.....Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa, Night at the Museum 2: Battle of the Smithsonian, and The Hardy Men with Cruise/Stiller!!!!

Posted by: dammitjanet at August 14, 2008 3:28 PM

Saw this movie yesterday, it was worth a good chuckle.

As sad as I am to say this, Tom Cruise was by far my most favorable actor in this film. Tom Cruise, who I hate so much that I'd rather take Xenu's cock up my ass with no K-Y and smothered in tabasco sauce while wearing a sandpaper condom than view one of his movies, absolutely owns every scene he's in. He's a freak, a nut job, and a hasbeen IMO, but he cracked my shit up in every fucking scene he was in.

I'm scared, I'm cold, and I need a hug. TCLTC, but he rawked in Tropic Thunder!

Posted by: Pudenda at August 14, 2008 3:31 PM

MTV skit with Ben Stiller/Tom Cruise stuntdouble interview

That piece is one of my favorite things that Ben Stiller has ever done. He is just so creepy in it.

Posted by: Melody at August 14, 2008 3:33 PM

Wait wait wait: dammitjanet, you're saying that Alan Tudyk got Stiller stank on 'im?! When? In what movie?

...Never mind, I don't want to know.

Posted by: Jerce at August 14, 2008 3:35 PM

That'd be Dodgeball, Jerce. I liked it, but if you're vehemently anti-Stiller, I'd avoid it like the plague. He's flat out overwhelming in it.

Posted by: Another Jen at August 14, 2008 3:51 PM

Yup, damned Zoolander tried to fuck up MY WASH!!!! But it ain't happn'in....no sir.....although, he hasn't done much lately.....


WHY, OH WHY???????

Posted by: dammitjanet at August 14, 2008 4:14 PM

I thought it was hilarious. I also thought everybody was great in it, even Stiller. Maybe it's because I'm an insensitive prick, but Simple Jack had me crying I was laughing so hard. Or maybe it was because I haven't had much sleep this week and I went to the late showing... Either way, Dustin's just being a Negative Nancy.

And lux, you're not alone. I even went as far as paying to see Tenacious D in concert.

Posted by: Dave at August 14, 2008 4:27 PM

I just can't get on the Cruise hatewagon. I just can't. He's sort of entertaining. He's easy on the eyes. Every now and again, he makes a good movie. I just don't see why we have to sick a MurderUnit on him for the crazy personal life stuff. If that were really the only hatewagon criteria, we'd be woefully undermanned for the other defenses. Razing most of Hollywood would leave huge gaps zombies could zip right through, and then where would we be?

Posted by: divinityblue at August 14, 2008 4:54 PM

I wish I hadn't read this review. It would have been nice to have been surprised by the Tom Cruise cameo.

Posted by: boo at August 14, 2008 5:01 PM

I swear to God, I am going to find Conrad and beat the holy bloody fuck out of him. Then I will rush him to the hospital and provide him with the tenderest of care.

Then I will beat his ass all over again.

Re: Tropic Thunder - Ben Stiller. Need one say more? He is destined to fuck up even the most promising projects. It's what he does, the bastard.

Posted by: TK at August 14, 2008 5:26 PM

In SPITE, of Rowles' rather schizophrenic review here, I think this will rock rather hard.

And any chance to see the midget cock aficionado aka Maverick making fun of himself, and doing it well, is worth the price of admission.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 14, 2008 5:27 PM

RDJr was so fucking hilarious and so on-point, me and, like, 4 other Black people, voted unanimously to grant him an Honorary Negro Card*.

*Limit one per customer. Non-transferable. May not be used in combination with the Ghetto Pass. In some cases, Card may not be recognized by all Negroes. May be revoked by any Negro and any time. Does not grant the card-holder the right to start dating Black women. Expires immediately when holder is video-taped/quoted uttering racial epithets, giving too much dap to other card-holders, befriending Diddy, or voting Republican. Void where Prohibited.

Posted by: Ciji at August 14, 2008 5:39 PM

I love Tenacious D. Anyone who can listen to Double Team and not get wet is made of sterner (or less perverted) material than me. We drove from Winnipeg to Denver to see them in concert and they were so kick ass we flew to Vancouver to see them again. I'm hoping Dustin shit the bed on this one.

Posted by: grinder at August 14, 2008 5:40 PM

I think that before everyone goes all postal and denigrates Ben Stiller, we should all think back on The Ben Stiller Show, which launched Mr. Show, and made the world funnier.

Also, HEAT VISION AND JACK

Posted by: Bucko at August 14, 2008 5:52 PM

Saw it, loved Cruise, loved Downey Jr., thought Stiller pussied out. -- in other words, agree with your review.

A note about these fucking protesters: Get. some. fucking. perspective. The "retard thing? If you don't understand what that goddamned scene is SAYING about the "retard" thing, then you do not deserve to be advocating for the disabled in the first place, you unbelievable fucking TOOLS.

Jesus christ on a fucking CRUTCH. YEah. I said crutch. Come over and PROTEST ME.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at August 14, 2008 6:03 PM

TK--I think you may have to get in line. Of course, if you are beating him up on behalf of black people everywhere, I think you get to cut to the head of the line. Just make sure you bring jM with you, as it sounds like she wants a piece of that action.

Now, she'll probably need to take out her earrings and call 13 cousins first, so give her a little lead time.

Posted by: tamatha at August 14, 2008 6:22 PM

This movie had me laughing from start to finish. I suppose that it could have been better but as far as being funny without being so stupid as to pull you out of the movie entirely, this movie did that and that's all I can ask from the shiny hollywood machine these days.
Go see it! I want to be able to quote it in my everyday life and have people know what i'm talking about! Yeah, i'll be one of those people, you want to fight about it?

Posted by: Shai at August 14, 2008 6:27 PM

wow. nicely written review. i figure i'm going to have to give this movie a chance since i AM in love with robert downey jr.
i'm also excited to see this tom cruise cameo. i hate the man, but let it never be said that when push comes to shove he doesn't have a sense of humor SOMETIMES. i remember in the absolutely horrific austin powers goldmember he was funny for that one brief minute at the beginning.

Posted by: citizen_cris at August 14, 2008 6:33 PM

Trailer mess had me wet the tears and flem. Funniest $#!? I have seen at the show.

Posted by: Mr. West at August 14, 2008 6:44 PM

I thought this movie was damn funny. As far as Ben Stiller movies go, it's one of his better ones by far (not saying much, I know). I went in with absolutely no expectations, just to enjoy some fine fine RDJ action, and I was pleasantly surprised. The trailers at the beginning were genius... I think I peed a little.

More shocking than Tom Cruise: Tobey Maguire has a sense of humour!

Posted by: Kim at August 14, 2008 7:05 PM

I find myself not jumping on the Stiller hate at this point. Looking back let's see:

Heavyweights: parody of fitness douche played with surprising depth, the character had a dark undercurrent that gave that movie some edge.

Mystery Men: if you don't like this I question your Pajiba-Fu.

Zoolander: MAGNUM! Le Tigre!...nuff said.

Starsky & Hutch: might be an acquired taste for some but I think they pulled it off. And if anything he played it like he believed in it.

Dodgeball: C'mon! "and my fitness consigliere Me Shell.."


Now, the problem with Ben Stiller is when he pulls out his stock: "guy who takes a lot shit" character. THAT Ben Stiller is unbearable, he makes me criiiiiinge, he makes me uncomfortable. See: Duplex, Meet the..., Night at the Museum, Something About (BOY DID THAT AGE BADLY) Mary, etc.

Anyway, my two cents.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 14, 2008 7:24 PM

That icky dude with the '70s porno mustache and sideburns in the American Apparel ads is really starting to creep me out. Rowles, it's time you dusted this piece of shit off your website.

Posted by: Groot at August 14, 2008 7:49 PM

That icky dude with the '70s porno mustache and sideburns in the American Apparel ads is really starting to creep me out

Dude, Firefox + AdBlock Plus = being able to decide what ads never to see again. Sir Rowles has a site to run and support, and likely can't dictate to his advertisers what pictures not to send. It's been recommended before for a very good reason. AdBlock Plus. Use it. Tell your friends. Quit complaining.

Posted by: lordhelmet at August 14, 2008 8:06 PM

I stand by Ben Stiller based on one film: The Royal Tenenbaums. He played the perfect Chaz.

Posted by: popejenn at August 14, 2008 8:49 PM

Either way, Dustin's just being a Negative Nancy.

Dave. I love you.

MARYSCOTT: You wouldn't like me when I'm flustered...
If you get this reference, I'm going to hump your face.

Posted by: Jaci at August 14, 2008 8:59 PM

Cannot stand Ben Stiller...love RDJ. Ah, the conundrum. Can Tom Cruise be the tie-breaker?

Posted by: Cindy at August 14, 2008 3:23 PM

Cindy, the funny thing is that I have absolutely no idea whether that means you will or will not watch the movie! Ol' Tom seems to polarize people around here. I'm decidedly neutral...he does nothing for me physically (regardless of whether or not he'd want to, given the chance), and his nuttiness seems harmless. So, I'm squarely on the fence.

Posted by: MO(meaux) at August 14, 2008 9:05 PM

I saw it last night and may not have stopped laughing for through the entire show. It definitely pussed out, as your review illustrates, but given the dismal, lazy, repetitive nature of comedies, I'll take it. By far the best comedy of the year.

Ditto on the mustached douchebag ad, by the way. I get that the sponsors pay your rent, but our response to those sponsors is what gives them value. Just a little feedback, is all.

Posted by: heybulldog at August 14, 2008 9:11 PM

The movie isn't the next Animal House, but I saw it this afternoon and may have found it hilarious. It might not actually be that funny, though - I think the good parts have taken over my brain and made me dumber. When I read this review, all I saw was: "la, la, la, la, la, la, dude playing a dude disguised as another dude, la, la, la, third wall bullshit, la, la, la."

Posted by: LB at August 14, 2008 9:29 PM

Does RDJ ever say fluffy kitten? I want to hear him say fluffy kitten.

Posted by: Lucas at August 14, 2008 9:58 PM

good review.

Posted by: s at August 14, 2008 11:04 PM

The following are good Stiller films ( starring/created by/featuring):

Reality Bites
The Cable Guy
Dodgeball
Zoolander
The Royal Tennenbaums
There's Something About Mary
Mystery Men
hopefully Tropic Thunder (starts here next week)
The Pick of Destiny (yes, he was in it)

Bad Ben Stiller Films:
The rest.

Posted by: Shane at August 14, 2008 11:37 PM

Someone asked earlier in this thread why no solid comedies can be made anymore, and I know the answer. It's two-fold. 1) Fear. Usually too much $ is involved to take a risk in Hollywood these days, and since everything is profit driven (they teach you "movies are art" in film school - ha!) no one will put their neck on the line for something's that's truly original and maybe even edgy. Without risk, you can't have comedy. 2) No one in Hollywood has a sense of humor. I can't stress that enough. Maybe the P.C. thing's taken its toll, but no one in Hollywood remembers what true humor is. As a managed screenwriter still on the outside looking in, I know this as a fact with a couple of my own comedy scripts (and no, I'm not saying I'm a genius, I just know the reactions I've heard). I was thisclose to selling a project to Stiller's Red Hour productions, only to watch it fall through and witness the crap he became involved in instead. They backed out for innane reasons - some of which I've witnessed time and again in his (and other big time) comedies.

And another problem, one that crosses all movies - especially comedies - is tenure. Someone like me writes Tropic Thunder and it doesn't get made: the story's cliche, the characters are one dimensional, the secondary characters aren't even fully formed (what the hell's the point of Nick Nolte's character? He makes NO sense.), etc. I can hear the rejections before they leave the reader's lips. But Ben Stiller comes up with this, and Hollywood thinks it's brillant. HE can poke fun at Hollywood because HE's an insider. Yet HE's a tired hack who's schtick's been heard and seen way too often.

It only ends when you people stop going to see these movies - when you know ahead of time at best you're getting a 2 star film - and entertain yourself in a more satisifying way. And yes, I am as guilty as most of you are (I saw this and Pineapple Express. Even as average as Tropic Thunder is, it destroy's Apatow's lastest - if you weren't begging to get out of your chair in the "battle" sequence of Express, you must've been too high to care for your own well being. Apatow's on the downward slope of the comedy bell curve now. He and Rogen bottom out in 2 years tops.) A couple laughs do not a great comedy make, unless you can end it in 90 minutes (which Apatow sorely needs to learn). But seriously, boycott some of these films for humanity's sake.

I step off the soapbox now...

Posted by: B-Unit at August 14, 2008 11:38 PM

I can't figure out why you guys thought Tom Cruise was funny. I thought his performance was woefully unfunny, stiff, and irritating. The man has no sense of humor as far as I can tell.

RDJ was the only amusing character.

McConaughey could have been funny if he had shown up in the jungle shouting "MCCONAUGHEY SMASH! MCCONAUGHEY ANGRY!"

Posted by: watoosa at August 15, 2008 8:44 AM

As much as i love RDJ with every fibre of my being, as an Aussie, watching natural born killers was one of the most painful experiences of my life. I've heard some shocking attempts at the Australian accent (mostly by americans mixing some form of cockney and overdone-which is saying something- paul hogan), but that one was bad to the point of being offensive. Here's hoping he spent some face time with the real thing before taking us on again.

Posted by: nikky at August 15, 2008 9:32 AM

man, I wish I could afford to go to the movies....

Posted by: Bethy at August 15, 2008 10:14 AM

I hate being late on the comments because I don't work with a computer. UGGGGGH. But I was talking to a friend about whether or not we would see this and it was amusing because we both had different qualms, mine being Ben Stiller, his being Jack Black. But the unabashed love of RDJ might shine through.

I give Ben Stiller Royal Tenenbaums and Jack Black gets School of Rock. That's it.

Posted by: Kash at August 15, 2008 11:38 AM

sounds what i expected. i'll still most likely see it. thanks for the review!

Posted by: rachel at August 15, 2008 12:06 PM

As un-PC as it may be, "never go full retard" kills me every. single. time.

Posted by: TK at August 15, 2008 12:19 PM

I love Tom Cruise and I don't care who knows it.

Posted by: mel at August 15, 2008 12:58 PM

jaci Sweetheart, I'm afraid there'll be no face humping this time around. You wouldn't like me when I'm mildly aggrieved... I turn a slightly grotesque shade of mauve.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at August 15, 2008 1:23 PM

Cindy, the funny thing is that I have absolutely no idea whether that means you will or will not watch the movie!

I have no idea either - my feelings on TC are ambiguous.

Posted by: Cindy at August 15, 2008 1:24 PM

fantastic review, dustin. i agree with pretty much all of it. i have to say, in the midst of watching the movie, i started to wonder what tom cruise's motivations were for making this movie. he's gotta be aware of his public popularity and he also has to know that it is at probably an all-time low. but those thoughts were quickly dismissed by his performance. maybe this will get him back on track.

Posted by: callsignstarbuck at August 15, 2008 2:05 PM

Don't be fooled, the Cruise performance is weak. Also, the make-up is piss poor.

Pretty lame movie.

Posted by: MomJeans at August 15, 2008 3:20 PM

Jack is ok in small doses. Stiller isn't. At all. Downey can kiss kiss my bang bang anytime.

I heard some group denouncing the movie as "hate crime" for using the term 'retard'. Ironyyyyyyy

Posted by: Protoguy at August 15, 2008 7:01 PM

Man, this review ROCKED.

I was all tingly and juiced while reading this particular one, talkin' words & shit back to you, like you were one of my most trusted sources for determining if this thing was actually going to be good or not. You told it like a best friend would another, and I finally have a decent enpough review to justify taking my girlfriend to the 4:15 showing today, because she's really fuckin' tired of the juvenile, clueless humor we had to suffer through, and that this movie at least has some originality and thought behind it. When she reads your review she's going to know just what to expect, and 3/4 of a comedy film is better than most of the halfassed crap they call humor for many months now.

I'll see it for Downey's & Cruise's performances alone, no question. But I was SO hoping to herald the return of a true comedic giant, Ben Stiller, who 1st proved himsellf with his original tv show, when I was just a litlle one, then spent years trying to get more work, far as I can tell, get's a hit with Something About Mary & then slowly shits his career away with bland repetitious unfunny roles and screenplays.

I think I'm really going to like Ben here, though, from the previews I've seen, and I'm dissapointed that you don't care for Jack Black in this flick enough- his regular schtick hasn't worn me out just yet, waas hoping he'd do some more with this role, but I had high hopes for this one just from the previews alone, maybe it won't be that bad.

Great movie Review.

Posted by: InterestedGoogleVisitor at August 16, 2008 2:34 AM

I too LOVE Tom Cruise. F all the haters

Posted by: T. Fields at August 17, 2008 7:13 PM

Shane, you forgot The Zero Effect. Gotta love that one. :)

Posted by: Loob at August 17, 2008 10:34 PM

I think the review is pretty accurate...the stuff that was funny was REALLY funny, and then the rest just wasn't at all. Jack Black was definitely the low point, but then I've never liked him anyway. I do have to disagree on Tom Cruise though...I didn't find him funny at all.

Posted by: lola o at August 17, 2008 10:37 PM

Ok, RDJ is my personal jesus and yes, totally OWNS the film, which I thought was one of the funniest films I've EVER seen, especially for a Stiller flick.

But Dustin, I can't believe you liked Tom Cruise. I could have totally done without his creepy contribution which I liken to watching someone getting their teeth pulled (or say, watching your own teeth get pulled in the reflection of the overhead light). Especially his last scene at the end of the film which was trying so hard to be funny. YUCK.

I can't wait to see Satan's Alley though, who's the lucky one who gets to do that review?

Posted by: racheee at August 18, 2008 2:22 AM

Loved it, for the most part. Downey was awesome. And this interview from Iron Man time... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXx9CvIeFFY how cool is he?

Posted by: Joe at August 18, 2008 3:12 AM

What worked so well for me was that characters in the movie seemed to be skewering other actors in the film. In other words... Jack Black played a guy with a heroin problem (RDJ), Ben Stiller played a fading star clearly doing this film to try and muster a comeback (Tom Cruise). That sort of meta humor really worked for me.

Where it failed, though, was when it just got lazy. The TiVo shtick doesn't really go anywhere and isn't terribly funny to begin with. Tom Cruise dancing to "Low" isn't as funny as you can tell they all think it is (especially at the end, that just felt like they were at a loss as to how to close the film). They don't seem to push the satire of Nick Nolte's character's "reveal" halfway through. For being so spot on for like, 55% of it, it makes what doesn't work stand out that much more.

And the whole Oscar ceremony seems like a wasted opportunity for lambasting, which is too bad. I mean, what if they got Judi Dench and/or Meryl Streep or other award hog types to do cameos in baity roles? Priceless!

Still - really hilarious stuff. Satire has to be smarter than the audience to work, and I think the film was. They seemed to really have thought through the majority of their satirical threads, but then seemed to think it wouldn't be funny enough on its own, so they added in elements of cheap humor that prevented the film from being truly great.

Posted by: Ben at August 18, 2008 4:04 AM

Saw this in its opening weekend, an extreme rarity for me (my cousins were in town). The fake trailers were pass-out-from-oxygen-deprivation-because-you're-laughing-too-hard funny. And notably, they were much, much, much better than the real trailers. (Disaster Movie's suckitude was predictable, but the College? My God, that looked awful.) RDJ was very good, and though I have no particular worship of him (like so many other Pajibans), I think Dustin may have been right: There's no other actor who could've pulled off that role in just the right way. At the same time, I have to admit I couldn't understand about half of his dialogue.

I can't agree about Tom Cruise, though. I'm actually something of a Cruise apologist. Yes, he's a total crazypants, and he's not the greatest actor ever, but he was good enough in too many great movies over too many years to be completely dismissed. But in this movie I found nothing noteworthy except his willingness to do the role. Really, I blame the writing, not him. I didn't see anything original at all in the character, and a stream of curse words does not make for particularly memorable dialogue.

But still, worth the time and money to see. The fake trailers alone guarantee that.

Posted by: Todd at August 18, 2008 9:49 AM

Ohhh...I second it. I would love to see Satan's Alley! And while the Klump family is a pretty fucking obvious target, they finally got a bit of ass kicking from the Fatties.
Dustin did shit the bed. While this wasn't as good as I wanted it to be, it was pretty funny, Some of the satire hit the mark, and some didn't. But compared to the future state of Hollywood comedies as seen in the previews we are in for a dry spell of epic proportions. At least none of the trailers had dane cook.
I also agree with other posters about Tom Cruise. The satire is simply getting him on screen. His over-acting, fat suit, and ass pubes glued to his chin were like all of his other performances.

Posted by: grinder at August 18, 2008 1:19 PM

y'all are some choosy beggars.

"oh, should i see this, i dunno...i'm on the fence..."

no, don't go see it. of course you will be better served by renting a french new wave film instead, knuckleheads.

perhaps instead, take off your self-knit critic caps and go have some laughs (even if those laughs will be fewer in number than the theoretically possible maximum laughs it "should have" delivered).

Posted by: icecreammang at August 18, 2008 7:28 PM

Ben Stiller is NOT funny, he ruins EVERY movie he's in. His cast was pretty top notch for this film and he ruined it (I had a sense that it would be good because of Downey and Cruise when he is used sparingly for comedic timing). They really need to just let him write or direct and not be in every movie he does (like Tarantino). But Stiller has this EGO that doesn't allow him to see that his acting hinders everything. He needs to let go of the narcissism and just let his movies breathe for chrissakes!

Posted by: ph at August 20, 2008 6:51 PM

I liked the film okay. My wife did not. My older teenaged daughter loved it. She saw it again the other night.

You are dead on that Stiller was half-assing the skewering of Hollywood, which was the idea that got me in the theater in the first place. He should sit down and watch "The Player" a few hundred times before his next "satire".

Downey is now officially huge.

Posted by: James S at August 21, 2008 7:37 PM

Was it just me who laughed at reusing the "Satan's Alley" title?

Any other Tony Manero fans out there?

I thought the movie was pretty good, but I thought Downey was literally amazing, with the rest of the cast being excellent foils. There should be some kind of group award for silent facial comedy as well. As Mulch Diggums would say...that's talent.

Posted by: Jay at August 22, 2008 2:53 PM

Wow - the unbridled armchair quarterbacking here is nauseating. When you all have written, produced, directed and starred in your own movie that is a critical and financial success you may comment on the work of others.

Posted by: Villaine at August 25, 2008 1:13 PM

Another great review that nails the film pretty completely. Stiller has only ever done it for me intermittently - Zero Effect deserves a Pajiba undiscovered gem review, it's just a wonderfully knotty and entrancing flick, Tennenbaums has character to burn and Zoolander is the exception to RDJ's theory - going full dumb numbnuts can be hysterical. Downey owned this from first to last as the dude who can't break character until the dvd commentary even when he knows it's not a film anymore and his last reel realisation that he's not a Southern negro in 'Nam is perfectly played and all the funnier when he lapses back to the Aussie. He has fun it it the whole way throughn just like he did in Iron Man and the casualness of the acting brilliance (both in the film and the film within the film) is intoxicating. And that's how Cruise earns the plaudits, we know he's monstrously batshit and he goes with it, the sheer bulk and whipsaw temper tantrums hint at the mania underneath. He may never be this funny or scary again. Jack Black is on cruise control, he brings nothing to his character that you care about and the other supporting characters, apart from Jay Baruchel, are adequate, though McConnaughey gets a few good one liners.

Worth the big screen for the pyrotechnics and the manner of Coogan's departure

Posted by: billhicks42 at September 2, 2008 11:31 AM

THANK YOU!!! I couldn't articulate why this movie bothered me so much and you have explained it perfectly. I do love a good mindless comedy, but this wasn't even mindless. It never found my funny bone so it just got more tedious as it went along.

We may be armchair quarterbacks with hand-knit critic's caps, but we are also the ones who determine whether or not a movie succeeds. I applaud Ben Stiller for his attempt--it was ambitious, to be sure--but I don't think he quite made it. Maybe it needed to be edited a few dozen more times....

Posted by: efenz at September 14, 2008 8:45 PM

thank you.

Posted by: premium at September 16, 2008 4:17 AM





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