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My War Gone By, I Miss It So

Stop-Loss / Phillip Stephens

Film Reviews | March 31, 2008 | Comments (87)


I am not making this up: Before my viewing of Stop-Loss, I ran into one of my better friends from high school, a freshly-decorated police officer and Iraqi war vet, for Heaven’s sake. I was in my hometown for the weekend, something I like to make as semi-annual as possible for the very reason of avoiding discomfiting run-ins with the mainstays of my formative years. We exchanged the awkward platitudes which come easily when you haven’t seen or spoken to a person in five years. Officer Friend had eschewed my haute bourgeois academic path and joined the Marines, putting in two tours in Iraq before coming home and joining the force. When I told him what movie I was about to see, I anticipated a negative response due to the film’s undoubtedly antiwar leanings, but he said “Nah, I wouldn’t want to risk a flashback.” I wasn’t sure if he was kidding. Neither was he.

Many of the non-documentary films of the Iraq antiwar milieu have alienated critics and audiences alike by seeming either too topical or blasting their side of the argument over any subtext (see De Palma’s Redacted and the Haggis ode to stereotypes In the Valley of Elah, respectively). With Stop-Loss, Kimberly Peirce’s long-awaited follow-up to Boys Don’t Cry, the familiar failures occur, but the film succeeds in finding a rich emotional vibrancy in unexpected, perhaps unintentional, ways.

Stop-Loss begins with a song, a squad of close-knit southern soldiers unironically rendering “Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue,” that patriotic screed from ambulatory pork roast Toby Keith. The first few scenes, a montage of handheld shots meant to mime a Flickr/MySpace slideshow, were too self-consciously topical and the first of many elements to strike me as disingenuous. The second were the characters themselves, a troupe of jowly rednecks from the Deep of Texas, whose southern-ness was so oppressively rendered they threatened to veer into James Van Der Beek/”Ah duont whaunt yher läef !!” parody. The decision to make these soldiers stereotypical Texans (read: conservative and patriotic) was probably meant to bolster the political argument being made here, but it momentarily distracts us from an honest vision. When the narrative settles in, however, we’re able to accept these men as something other than caricatures.

Sgt. Brandon King (Ryan Phillippe) leads a troupe of homegrown Texas grunts stationed in Tikrit. Peirce captures the horror of urban warfare well, depicting the nightmarish tension for soldiers unable to distinguish combatant from bystander until being fired upon. An ambush leads to one death and one maiming, but it’s clear that all involved will bear the scars of killing an enemy in his own kitchen, often with his entire family caught in the crossfire. And sure enough, despite the squad’s return to their small town idylls and a hero’s welcome, the lives of King and best friends Steve (Channing Tatum) and Tommy (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) begin to unravel. Tommy can only cope with the post-traumatic stress by drinking himself into oblivion, unable to care about the marriage and career he’s destroying; Steve is in denial, pushing his experiences so far down they flare out with remarkable brutality. For Brandon, the war is literally unable to be left behind; he’s stop-lossed on the day of his discharge.

Upon hearing the news, Brandon explodes, denouncing his superior officer, and walloping a pair of soldiers and going AWOL. For a supposedly impeccable soldier of Brandon’s merit, this scene doesn’t make any sense in context — Peirce sacrifices logic for temporary exigencies — it’s only as the story pans out that we appreciate the full weight of why this decision was made. The middle section of the film, wherein Brandon flees to the road with Steve’s fiancée Michelle (Abbie Cornish) in a half-assed attempt to get a senator he spoke with once to reverse the order, is straight out of cliché school, threatening to bog down the narrative in predictable tropes. But something unexpected happens, and instead of Peirce allowing the action to fall into comfortable formulism, meaning a tepid romance for Brandon and Michelle and a last-ditch victory with the senator, she veers the film into quiet, thoughtful territory.

As a political statement, Stop-Loss is a failure, reducing the bureaucratic manipulation of good men and women by an uncaring administration into a simple, knee-jerk moral outcry (though I certainly agree with it). The film wears its message, like its heart, proudly on its sleeve. But where the message may fail, the heart does not; Peirce finds an emotional resonance in this story that most films on the Iraqi imbroglio have not, depicting the terrible burden faced by the families of those serving there. Rather than championing a cause, Peirce discovered the real consequences of war — that the responsibility of taking lives, whether with your guns or your orders, is a weight one will carry forever. Stop-Loss shows just how monstrous the manipulation of the men and women who voluntarily shoulder this burden is; perhaps the film is a more impressive piece of agit-prop than I realize.

Phillip Stephens is the lead critic and book editor for Pajiba. He lives in Fayetteville, AR, and wastes his twenties in grad school(s).









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Comments

I've read some pretty decent reviews for Stop Loss so far, and seeing that I worship at the altar of Joseph Gordon-Levitt, this will definitely be at least a rental.

Posted by: Julie at March 31, 2008 2:35 PM

JGL can do no wrong and Channing Tatum Channing (I can't be buggered to remember which is his first name) and Phillipe aren't enough to keep me away. Also, Ciaran Hinds.

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2008 2:39 PM

Surprising to hear from an MTV movie. Or maybe not - they did some quality shows before drowning in reality tv.

"Ah duont whaunt yher läef !!"

Excellent use of umlaut.

Posted by: twig at March 31, 2008 2:40 PM

Someone tell me that we get to see JGL shirtless.

Posted by: serena at March 31, 2008 2:43 PM

I've been waiting for this review all weekend. I went to see it on Friday and thoroughly enjoyed it. I even got a little misty eyed at times. (the openeing 20 mins are very realistic and were hard for me to watch) I'm not going to reveal any spoilers, but to those of you who have seen it, people in the theatre when I saw the movie stood up and applauded when Brandon made his statement about President Bush! I was disappointed that it didn't do very well at the box office this weekend.

Posted by: Pudenda at March 31, 2008 2:46 PM

I was forced to go see this last night and found that is wasn't as awful as I thought it would be. I had damned the movie before seeing it because I thought it was ridiculous that someone from a dance movie was the lead male. It wasn't stellar by any means, but it wasn't nearly as awful as I expected.

I found myself getting a little teary eyed. But that's probably because I just started my fucking period this morning and I'm a sensitive person anyway. I mean, I also got teary eyed when I saw Horton Hears A Who last week and they said "A person is a person, no matter how small!" Damn hormones...!

What really got me was just how many people have been stop-lossed, I had no idea the numbers were that high...

Posted by: Kay at March 31, 2008 2:48 PM

What is the link between MTV films and bad/god-awful Texas accents?

Although, Dawson is still the all-time contender of worst Texas accent ever put to film.

Posted by: Melody at March 31, 2008 2:50 PM

I'd seen the trailer and was totally uninterested, but then I kept getting commercials for it when I watched bad television on hulu, and it started to grow on me.

If I can find someone to go with me, I might actually shell out the $10.

Posted by: That Girl at March 31, 2008 2:55 PM

My brother-in-law is active duty military and has always been an arch conservative. He's a two-time-Bush voter and I have invented ingenious ways to avoid political discussions with him over the past 8 years in the interests of family harmony. In 2008, he's voting Obama. He is that disgusted at the Bush/Cheney administration and their Iraq adventure. It's amazing to me how many people who still describe themselves as conservatives and even hawks want nothing more to do with W and his gang just because of the war.

Posted by: PaddyDog at March 31, 2008 2:57 PM

Kay, I must admit, you are a classy woman.

Posted by: Pookie at March 31, 2008 2:59 PM

Ooh, ooh! I have an idea for a comment diversion:
Pretend family members you'd like to know in the biblical sense, as it were (ie: I'd hit the Supernatural boys and their daddy) and actual family members (Ralph, Joseph, and Jacob Fiennes, naturally).

Posted by: serena at March 31, 2008 3:09 PM

The link in the title of this review is gone, it goes to http://www.pajiba.com/stop-loss.htm instead of http://www.pajiba.com/stoploss.htm

Posted by: roses at March 31, 2008 3:09 PM

Crap, that should say the link in the title of this review is WRONG.

Posted by: roses at March 31, 2008 3:10 PM

Gorden-Levitt has been putting in remarkable performances since TV, and I love practically everything Phillippe has been involved with. I was already on the fence about this movie...but I have also been hearing some good stuff. It looks like it approaches the audience with the closest to respect that I've seen from any movie depicting the war. I'll try anything once...and hopefully be pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at March 31, 2008 3:11 PM

I really want to see this movie (I can't explain why, I just do), but I'm also waiting for someone to come home in the next few weeks (please God), so I don't know if I'd be able to make it through the film without losing it.

Maybe my sister will go with me. Normally I enjoy the solo movie experience, but I don't think I can handle this one.

Posted by: Nicole at March 31, 2008 3:12 PM

I was going to see this movie because I thought it was a war movie something like the "The Deer Hunter". But when I realized sissy boy Ryan Phillippe and his yummy lips were in it I declined.

Posted by: Pookie at March 31, 2008 3:15 PM

Serena:

If LitelySalted sees you even move a hair in the direction of the Supernatural boys, you're in for one harsh beating. I'd move right on to the Fiennes brothers if I were you.

Posted by: PaddyDog at March 31, 2008 3:19 PM

"... sissy boy Ryan Phillippe and his yummy lips..."

Are you trying to tell us something, Pookie?

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at March 31, 2008 3:19 PM

I think one of the reasons this movie has done so poorly at the box office is because there's so much gloom and doom in the news these days that most people want to pay 15 bucks to escape not to be depressed. It's a shame because it does sound like an effort at a decent movie was made. Still, I don't want to leave a movie feeling like I need a major dose of prozac.

Posted by: LittleDead at March 31, 2008 3:30 PM

Philip, this is a damn fine review. While I'm definitely interested, and will probably see it, it's a shame that it has so many missteps. From how it's described, it sounds like with a minimum amount of effort, it could have easily been great instead of good.

Posted by: TK at March 31, 2008 3:32 PM

There were definitely a few moments that almost made me roll my eyes, but I agree that the movie was a success on a few levels.

I especially liked that it didn't go for the cheap and easy, ie, love triangle.

And JGL is kind of irresistible when he's glowering and seething with rage.

MMMMMmmmm

Posted by: Dre at March 31, 2008 3:34 PM

"Ah duont whaunt yher läef !!"

Excellent use of umlaut.

twig, is there such a thing as an inexcellent use of umlaut?

Posted by: lizling at March 31, 2008 3:37 PM

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Pookie meant to type "gummy".

Unless... um, Pookie? I'm totally ok with it, but... just, you know...

Well?

Posted by: TK at March 31, 2008 3:50 PM

Ah duont whaunt yher läef !!"

Excellent use of umlaut.

Really? I don't speak Texan but I speak German and I know my way around the Scandinavian languages - is it really like "laugh" (very softly) but kind of "ff" at the end?

The "ä" makes a little sense as a french trèma, emphasized. Perhaps you take more liberties with the umlauts than us speakers of German languages do?

I wouldn't really want to be this nit-picky but sometimes you can't help yourself.

Posted by: ScandinavianBlonde at March 31, 2008 3:51 PM

Julie, I am so with you on the Joseph Gordon-Levitt love. Have you seen the pics from his GQ photoshoot with Caludia Schiffer? OMG pure sexiness!!!

http://www.josephgordonlevitt.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=445

PaddyDog, without getting political, tell your brother-in-law I said "Woot Woot!" And thank him for serving us honorably.

Pookie, I've wanted to do dirty things to "... sissy boy Ryan Phillippe and his yummy lips..." since Cruel Intentions, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Also, I must say that I was suprised that Abbie Cornish didn't suck balls.

Posted by: Pudenda at March 31, 2008 3:54 PM

Ah duont whaunt yher läef !!"

I know this is supposed to be in a Texan accent when read, but after the first time of reading it ((and indeed using Texas accent)) I've been reading it in a Scottish brogue instead. It sounds much more attractive that way.

Posted by: Kay at March 31, 2008 3:58 PM

Sorry. As soon as I heard about this flick it has gotten one giant, flaming middle finger from us. (Us=my family & the greater part of anyone I associate with) I will now make it spin since I have read the review.

Posted by: neka at March 31, 2008 4:04 PM

mmmmmm I think Phillippe has yummy lips, it's okay Pookie.

Although to be honest I will only be seeing this for JGL.

And Nicole my good co-workers' son just got home and I'm sure you'll have a happy reunion soon as well.

Posted by: Wormer at March 31, 2008 4:05 PM

Oh Katy ,in the vein of Highlander?

"Faaaaaayther, whiiiiiere do ay coooom froooom?"

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2008 4:06 PM

im seein this for JGL who i used to like in a 'oh, yeah that guys pretty good' kind of way and now love in a 'Brick has opened my eyes to the true glory of this boy and i want to lick his face' and for Channing Tatum who i firmly believe is going to tear shit up just as soon as a film he's in gets a large enough audience, boy is charismatic, beautiful, talented and damned likable.

Also i like that the whole point of this film that you seem to have called hard to believe, is that even though he's an exemplary and dedicated soldier, his whole reaction is based on just being THAT pissed off that he's getting called back

Posted by: nadine at March 31, 2008 4:15 PM

TK, I meant yummy. I'm secure with who I am. I mean, if I see a nice looking guy walking down the street and I'm with my peeps, I'm certainly not going to say "he looks good" out loud. I'm going to keep my shit bottled up.

Posted by: Pookie at March 31, 2008 4:19 PM

"ambulatory pork roast Toby Keith"

I know that has nothing whatsoever to do with the movie, but it's a description like no other!

Posted by: Bev M. at March 31, 2008 4:24 PM

The trailer for this film was terrible, and while I'm sure it is at times better than what I've seen, I'm going to stay away.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at March 31, 2008 4:27 PM

I know my way around the Scandinavian languages - is it really like "laugh" (very softly) but kind of "ff" at the end?

Yes, Scandahoovian Blonde, it really is. It is an attempt to convey what James Van der Beek sounded like when he was pretending to have a Texan accent. (Note: It means he was really, really bad at it.)

Posted by: Jerce at March 31, 2008 4:39 PM

Um... ScandinavianBlonde, when English doesn't officially grab the umlaut and do the Punctuation Nasty with it, we have to take our vicarious unofficial thrills where we can. I'll spell Twig with an umlaut when I can remember the proper html formatting.

... and no, lizling, there is no unexcellent use of umlaut that I am familiar with, although this being the internet I am sure one exists.

Posted by: twig at March 31, 2008 4:39 PM

I've seen trailers for this, and I just couldn't stop thinking about my cousin and his two kids, or my friend who eloped with her high school sweet heart and just watched him ship out less than a month after their daughter was born, or the father of a boy I went to high school with who's pushing 50 and still got stop-lossed. The human toll of this policy is just sickening and I'll probably have to wait for Netflix to see this movie. While I do appreciate that it seems to have been done tastefully (and Channing Tatum and Joseph Gordon-Levitt, but in a different way) I'll need the pause button to get through it.

But it helps that the men are pretty damn yummy.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at March 31, 2008 4:43 PM

Wormer, from your mouth (typing) to God's (Godtopus'?) ear. It's a good thing I don't give a tinker's damn about my nails, because they're bitten to a quick.

I think one of the reasons this movie has done so poorly at the box office is because there's so much gloom and doom in the news these days that most people want to pay 15 bucks to escape not to be depressed. It's a shame because it does sound like an effort at a decent movie was made. Still, I don't want to leave a movie feeling like I need a major dose of prozac.

I agree, LittleDead, but it just chaps my ass that we're more inclined to click on links to celebs without fundies and Brangelina babies than pay attention to "real" news (not that I believe the networks are giving the hard truth; I try to depend on BBC News for that). And by "we" I mean Americans in general, not Pajibijibajibians.

Who put that soapbox there?

Posted by: Nicole at March 31, 2008 4:52 PM

It's easy to say that Stop-Loss is a horrible policy and call it "sickening", but remember that this has been in place since after the Vietnam War, and that no matter what, everyone who enlists signs up for 8 years.

Whether you believe that stop loss is right or not is irrelevant, the point is that it's been around for a while. Maybe the people who complain about it should have read the enlistment contract before signing the dotted line.

I'm going to wait on this one.

Posted by: Klams at March 31, 2008 4:57 PM

Klams has a point.
In the absence of a draft, stop-loss is pretty much the only recourse when you have a bunch of oil-hungry bastards are determined to pursue an unwinnable war. Maybe many of the people who complain about it should also think about who they voted for in 2000 and 2004 because my underdstanding is that the military and reserve military vote was overwhelmingly for Bush. In fact, my understanding (I'm willing to be corrected) is that Bush could not have won Florida in 2000 without the heavy military vote there.

Posted by: PaddyDog at March 31, 2008 5:13 PM

(Note: It means he was really, really bad at it.)

Okay, I can believe a really bad version. It wasn't the Texan braawl a-sound then?

Right on then Twïg, but umlauts can only go on a, u and o, otherwise I'm pretty sure they are trèmas. But nice to see the Punctuation Nasty getting some love.

Posted by: ScandinavianBlonde at March 31, 2008 5:15 PM

Nicole, well I have to agree and disagree with you. On the one hand I do agree that the general apathy of people is disheartening. In my case I can't vote (yes I'm one of those damn immigrants stealing your jobs muhahahaha) but I believe if you don't vote you have only yourself to blame even if you believe you are just choosing the lesser of two evils. You're making a choice at least something people forget that a lot of people in the world don't have and we haven't had until very recently.

However, when most people spend half their day working and the other half facing a mortgage, a collage loan, a car payment and numerous other things that add up to life it's hard to turn on the television and watch the news and be inundated with them screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling! HIDE" or watch news anchors make themselves the news by acting like loudmouthed jackasses (I'm looking at ALL the news stations on this one). Not only do I force myself to sit through that shit to sort out bits of fact and news but now I'm expected to go to the movies and be tossed in another sea of depression. I'd rather pretend I'm a fourteen year old boy at a magical school. It may not make me a good person but it just makes me human ...

Posted by: LittleDead at March 31, 2008 5:17 PM

"Whether you believe that stop loss is right or not is irrelevant, the point is that it's been around for a while. Maybe the people who complain about it should have read the enlistment contract before signing the dotted line."

Klams. You Could Not More Completely Miss The Point. Would I have the ability to reach trough the screen! Before GOD Octopus Popped My head off, I would smash your finger tips with your own keyboard so you could never again deliver such an ignorant remark "offhand".

This is been around for a while like making a deal with the Devil has "been around for a while" only sometimes in that kind of story you can get out of it. Because that is a story. In REAL LIFE they Die. Because they were Cheated.

If your Monkey Sphere contained anyone who was a Marine you would be a 150 times more intelligent, and empathetic. Perhaps you could even be smart enough to not comment on something you know nothing about.

If you have no interest in learning please keep your selfish head in your own ass. That way you will not upset anyone who is involved.

Posted by: Jennifer at March 31, 2008 5:38 PM

Actually, Jennifer, I DO know Marines, and I aspire to become a Marine Officer.

The comment I made was informed not only by my own personal feelings on the issue, but by things that I've read by both active and retired members of the military. Invariably, these people said that the people who have been stop-lossed signed a commitment, and they have to uphold it.

These people were not "cheated". Does it suck? Yes, yes it does. But these are adults who made an informed, voluntary decision to join the military, with the KNOWLEDGE they could have their tour extended or be forced to remain on active duty. No one forced them to join.

Posted by: Klams at March 31, 2008 5:48 PM

"ambulatory pork roast Toby Keith"

bwahahahaha!

Posted by: Alarmjaguar at March 31, 2008 5:50 PM

Is the title of this review a reference to Anthony Loyd's book?

If so, I applaud that it has been read, but feel it should get mentioned if the title is taken from it.

Posted by: Karl S. at March 31, 2008 6:23 PM

Never mind the fact that you are not stop lossed on 'the day you get out'... ever. There is a cut off on that, something between three and six months, and the vast majority of people who are 'stoplossed' are actually a year or more out...

Nothing like taking something and blowing it all out of proportion to make a 'great drama' and, I'd guess more importantly, score political points with.

Interestingly enough The Volcano (a local newspaper firmly behind Obama if I read it right...) panned this movie in the review I read earlier (Friday?). Something about mixed messages and pot shots at the retired hippy underground? All I know is that the eye candy is of the wrong flavor and the premise alone irritates the living fuck out of me.

Posted by: Spike at March 31, 2008 6:32 PM

Thanks, Klams, for keeping it real. I love seeing well-thought comments, regardless of whether I agree or not. Jennifer - come on, this isn't Perez Hilton, let's keep it civil.

I'll probably check this out - as a liberal-lefty daughter of a liberal-lefty retired Lt.Col./Green Beret (yes, you read that right) and a UCC minister (that would be Barack Obama's church), I see nothing but grey in these issues - no black and white at all. So, I'll have to see it to judge it.

Posted by: Tammy at March 31, 2008 6:37 PM

Okay, I can believe a really bad version. It wasn't the Texan braawl a-sound then?

Yes, it was exactly as you described it in your original post: "life" pronounced like "laugh."

Gyud Gawd Ah hate them crappy Hawlywood approximations of Suhthern ack-scents.

Posted by: Jerce at March 31, 2008 6:39 PM

Klams is right. Read the effin' contract.

RE PaddyDog: Also in agreement, for the most part. The people who voted Bush into office in 2004 really should not be bitching now about how they were "fooled." They weren't fooled. They knew exactly what they were getting when they voted for Bush. And the military (apparently) tends to vote heavily Republican. This is what you get when you vote Republican now. War. War kills people and disrupts families. You can't sing along to the shitty, pro-war anthems and vote for Chimpy and then complain when the people who sent you to Iraq conclude that you're in agreement with their policies. That's what voting for them does: helps keep their policies in place. Bush et al resisted drafting people because it's politically unpopular to do so, but that means that the people who enlist will probably be burdened more than they otherwise would be. Don't like it? Don't enlist. And while you're at it, you might want to apologize for calling people "traitors" (if you were one of the assholes doing that) for not dropping to their knees to kiss Bush's ass, way back in 2001, when it was much more popular to do so.

Posted by: Slash at March 31, 2008 6:41 PM

Wow...it kind of sounds like the review title might actually be incredibly apt. Your statements about Stop-Loss were the same as my feelings about My War Gone By, I Miss It So. A very effective story despite being sprinkled heavily with cheese.

Posted by: Wednesday at March 31, 2008 6:43 PM

Klams. I do not believe you, if that is the case then fine. Good luck you will need it. Not cheated they are breaking the contract. Cheated because they are exploited because they can be. Maneuvered and abused being controlled by civilians who take better care of their cars than they do their Marines. Grinding an expensive instrument into junk. They don't have to even worry about hiding the remains. Nobody cares! Any coverage of war currently gets less than Four minutes of airtime on any news right now. Bread and Circuses. My Brother is a Sergeant and he does night shift every time he can. So he can actually get work done instead of having to deal with Offi-Curs wasting his time.

Posted by: Jennifer at March 31, 2008 7:20 PM

I gave up Pajiba for Lent and I didn't really miss it. Just wanted to say that.

Also, I loathe and detest all movies wherein the glorious and varied yet highly specific accents of my Southern brethren and...er...sistren...are sullied, muddied, and otherwise besmirched. Fart on this movie. And fart on Websterismybitch for the fake story about Josh Jackson. FART!

Posted by: AM at March 31, 2008 7:42 PM

but umlauts can only go on a, u and o, otherwise I'm pretty sure they are trèmas.

But the most important question hasn't yet been answered! How many umlauts can you stack on the name of a death metal band?

(How many umlauts can dance on the head of a pin?)

Posted by: twig at March 31, 2008 8:18 PM

How many umlauts must a man walk down?

Posted by: Smithy at March 31, 2008 8:26 PM

....Ryan Philli....PASS!

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 31, 2008 10:08 PM

I only peripherally know people in the military, but I would agree with Klams on this one. If you sign up for the military, you are implicitly agreeing with this policy. That's how contracts work, and if you disagree, you shouldn't sign it. It's a horrible policy and it shouldn't exist, but it's the situation you're getting yourself into if you decide to join the military and you shouldn't join if you're not comfortable with the possibility of going on multiple tours of duty. It's the government's job to treat soldiers like shit and get every possible drop of service out of them. It's the individual's job to read the contract and only to sign it if he/she agrees to everything in it.

Of course, we can have a completely different debate about what causes people to join the military in this country (and I'm not talking about patriotism), and I would have a totally different opinion on THAT.

Posted by: Alex at March 31, 2008 10:13 PM

My friends got into the argument that you guys are getting into right before we left to the theatre. About stop-loss and if it's right/wrong, etc... But they did sign a contract, it sucks and all, it shouldn't happen, but it does.

"what causes people to join the military in this country(and I'm not talking about patriotism)"

Alex I couldn't agree more. I know five people who have signed up since January. 1 signed up becuase of patriotism. 1 signed up because he wanted to go to Iraq and kill someone ((sick son of a bitch)). And the other 3 signed up because the latter convinced them it would be a blast.

Posted by: Kay at March 31, 2008 11:06 PM

I can forgive two hours of Ryan Phillipe for 5 (moist-panty-inducing) minutes of Joseph Gordon Levitt...when did that kid get SO DAMN HOT????

Posted by: Be Adequite! at March 31, 2008 11:36 PM

Litely and I could share, though, Paddydog. I'm not selfish.
I still need some confirmation on JGL partial nudity, people.

Posted by: serena at April 1, 2008 12:12 AM

"Tommy can only cope with the post-traumatic stress by drinking himself into oblivion, unable to care about the marriage and career he's destroying".
I can't imagine JGL with a wife and a career... he'll always be 16 to me. Which makes me a perv, granted, but there you have it.

Posted by: Irina at April 1, 2008 12:28 AM

I have a marginal amount of sympathy for people who blithely signed their lives away not understanding war is hell. The damn Bush admin is tricky! They don't want a draft, fer heaven's sake - then the middle class might actually protest this bullshit war, instead of accepting it. I feel sorry for the NEXT war-monger who has to keep pulling bodies from the body politic - people might have wised up by then. Oh, who am I kidding.

Posted by: Farfalina at April 1, 2008 2:16 AM

I agree that the people in this position did sign a contract, but my feelings on stop-loss are also tied up in the issues surrounding why people in this country sign up for military service, as has been mentioned by fellow pajibans. Had this war not been going on, I would have seriously considered the military for a lot of reasons. But when I graduated in 2004, the writing was on the wall, and I went to some fancy private University and sank myself into debt instead.

I could go on about this for a while, and I'm choosing not to because it's all been said before better than I can say it. JGL and Channing Tatum are the yum, umlats are amazing, and thank god it's an election year.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at April 1, 2008 6:19 AM

I'll most likely go see this one. I liked Boys Don't Cry, not as much as most, but still. And I'll just about watch anything Joseph Gordon Levett is in.

Posted by: Kamikaze Feminist at April 1, 2008 6:31 AM

Contract terms are not above criticism. Sure, many of these people "signed on", but surely we're not equating military service and the distinct possibility of getting your ass shot off in Baghdad with your run-of-the-mill employment contract.

Also, if every potential enlist/reservist back in, say, 2000 enlist heeded the fine print and knew what we all know today, I'd imagine we wouldn't have as many soldiers as we do today. Not trying to claim that no soldiers make the choice to enlist with eyes wide open - that'd be condescending. That said, I don't think it's coincidental when I look through the pictures of the dead from my fine home state of Massachusetts that the dead tend to hail from Fall River and Springfield than, say, Weston. Military service is a choice, but it's quite often a choice made of necessity.

Rant over. Philippe is pretty and underrated as an actor. Discuss.

Posted by: samantha t at April 1, 2008 6:54 AM

How much screen time does JGL have in this? Anyone know? I love it when he plays angry and a little violent. Is that wrong? Actually, I love him when he plays anything. I feel like I don't see him enough these days.

Posted by: lucy at April 1, 2008 8:04 AM

How many umlauts must a man walk down?

Smithy, the answer is blowing in the wind.

I just wanted to clarify yesterday's comment re: people escaping into fun stuff rather than doom and gloom. I absolutely agree. I'll confess right now that I walked out of Saving Private Ryan ten minutes in because I couldn't handle it, and that war had been over for 50+ years. I can't watch Vietnam movies. They break my heart. (I have since watched SPR several times but I always have to skip the landing at Omaha.)

I just feel that we're not getting the truth from the "news" about this war. (BBC doesn't fuck around, though, especially BBC Radio News.) During Vietnam, footage of monks self-immolating were on the 6 o'clock news. Turn on the same broadcast today (of course with newer, fluffier anchors!) and you'll hear about Angelina's due date or watch a horror-inducing story regarding the potential bacteria on the rinds of lemon wedges served with your water in restaurants(!).

I just think this country has got to get a grip. I know that when you join the armed services, you sign a contract. I also know that a lot of kids I went to college with joined ROTC because it was peacetime, it didn't appear that we would be going to war again (the Russians being so busy ordering at McDonald's and all), and they wanted help with student loans and the chance to learn more skills. None of them signed up for this bullshit.

I just think that it's our responsibility to find the truth and have informed opinions. I'm not saying you get that from a movie because (don't tell anyone I said this) movies aren't real. I'm all for escapism myself, which is why I'm a DW/Torchwood fan, I believe that something on the island won't let the Losties leave, and I love me a good Quidditch match. I just think that Americans in general are too busy stuffing their brains with cotton candy and some of us have to call them on their bullshit.

So, LittleDead, I think I pretty much agree with you, we just have different roundabout ways of getting to the same place.

*I have voted in every election since I turned 18. Even the dinky ones. I'm an annoyingly "it's my right and my responsibility" civic-minded wench.

Posted by: Nicole at April 1, 2008 8:47 AM

I haven't read all the comments yet, but I'm a long time lurker who first stumbled upon Pajiba while in Iraq. I was supposed to get out of the Army in Feb of this year, but was Stop Lossed and sent to Afghanistan where I am now. When seeing the previews for this movie, I thought "An overly dramatic MTV Movie that'll have teenage girls in tears, maybe for the first time that's a GOOD THING!" I decided I'd rather have a dumb mainstream flick than an honest realistic documentary, because people would actually see it. Well, the mindless cretins let me down again, as it did poorly on its opening weekend. Thanks a lot, viewing public. I can't count on you guys for shit. Now, as always, when I tell people about the army ignoring my contract, I'll be met with the usual "What? They can do that?" responses.

It may have failed to bring my plight to public knowledge, but this is one movie I'll probably be willing to spend $2 on at the Afghan bazaar.

I'll undoubtedly be going back into lurk mode now, but I just wanna say thanks for the incredible reviews and hilarious comments for the years I've been following.

Oh, and the zombie battle from a few weeks back? EPIC.

Posted by: Baboon at April 1, 2008 10:40 AM

Baboon, I forbid you to go back into lurk mode. I can do that, you see, because I am a pushy little bitch. You spell properly! Punctuation is your friend! You write coherently and make interesting points! Your pity for the tears of MTV movie watching teenage girls is a minor drawback, but hey, nobody's perfect.

Whatever, the POINT is that we relish fresh blood around here. Er...I mean, we like new people. As long as they can spell. You must continue to comment. Lurking is for pussies!

It is slightly possible I've had a smidge too much caffeine this morning.

Posted by: Sarina at April 1, 2008 11:05 AM

Hey, Baboon? Thanks. For everything.

Posted by: Nicole at April 1, 2008 11:05 AM

Sarina, you're not drinking Monster again, are you? Because I'm scared of you when you do that.

Posted by: Nicole at April 1, 2008 11:10 AM

Good comments Klams. These issues are not black and white, they are all kinds of gray. Jennifer, you are a lunatic.

Posted by: Elle at April 1, 2008 11:51 AM

Sarina, you're not drinking Monster again, are you? Because I'm scared of you when you do that.

No! Of course not!

...it's Rock Star. I've had two of them.

Buckle your chin straps, people!

Posted by: Sarina at April 1, 2008 11:57 AM

Baboon, thanks for your service. Sorry the Bush admin doesn't appreciate it, only takes advantage of it. They are politicians above all else, they like to wave the military around for effect, they clearly don't respect it, not even a little. That sucks.

Posted by: Slash at April 1, 2008 12:26 PM

As I am not American and also not interested in the Bush war, could someone please explain what 'stop-loss' means? 'Cause I thought the character was protesting being discharged, but scanning over the comments, he's... angry for not wanting to go back?

Also, I'd see this just for JGL.

Posted by: Cuno at April 1, 2008 12:30 PM

Baboon, thanks for what you are doing. I have friends in Iraq now and a husband and his brother who have both already been. May you stay safe and return home soon. Keep posting here though. We love new people that can add to a discussion.

Posted by: Melody at April 1, 2008 1:10 PM

Cuno, I don't know much about the stop-loss policy myself, but here's what wikipedia (the not always creditable internet source) has to say about it:

"Stop-loss, in the United States military, is the involuntary extension of a service member's enlistment contract in order to retain them beyond the normal end term of service (ETS) or the ceasing of a permanent change of station (PCS) move for a member still in military service. Federal courts have consistently found that military service members contractually agree that their term of service may be involuntarily extended."

Posted by: lucy at April 1, 2008 1:30 PM

Gyud Gawd Ah hate them crappy Hawlywood approximations of Suhthern ack-scents.

I feel for you Jerce, Nuh Awlins specially suffrs frohm bad actressin', n'est pas? (Totally butchered that one, right?)

There is one murder of the French language that is so legendary that it is still a regular joke between my mother and me after 20 plus years. Bobby Ewing in Dallas visiting Paris and saying: "Mercy bouw-coupp". Still funny.

Perhaps the heavy metal bands use the umlauts as a warning: Don't expect good spelling or correct grammar. Some bands really shouldn't try to write lyrics in English. Props to Rammstein for not trying (mostly).

I've kept the *start a converstaion about grammar a.k.a. kill lust by boredom* as a secret weapon of getting rid of annoying idiots at parties, but I love the fact that Pajibans understand and can run with it and make wonderful jokes about the subject.

Posted by: ScandinavianBlonde at April 1, 2008 1:50 PM

Sarina, honey, we've got to get you away from that stuff. It's just crack in a can, babe.

Posted by: Nicole at April 1, 2008 2:35 PM

As a long time addict, Sarina I'm with Nicole on this one. Step away from the can, there is help on the other side. I know it can be hard, and those caffeine crashes really suck...but it really is necessary.

Posted by: Kay at April 1, 2008 2:50 PM

Nuh-uh. Nothing doing. I gave up caffeine two years in a row for Lent, and I was then told that under no circumstances was I allowed to do so ever again. I'm a bitch all the time anyway, but take away my caffeine and I get really unpleasant.

I don't usually have very much caffeine though, as I haaaaaaaate coffee, but sometimes a girl just wants to have some energy drinks and twitch like a coked up jack rabbit all day, you know?

Posted by: Sarina at April 1, 2008 3:00 PM

I just want to say, Sarina, that with all the mess happening out there (let's not bring it up) you are lighting up my dreary day. You crack me up.

I had to give up caffeine. It sucked. I delude myself by drinking black decaf.

Posted by: Nicole at April 1, 2008 3:28 PM

Awww Nicole, aren't you sweet? I'd say that heartwarming compliments make all a-flutter, but I'm so jittery I'm fluttering all over the place anyway.

Posted by: Sarina at April 1, 2008 3:43 PM

Nicole, very well thought out response and I have to fully agree with you. I too listen to BBC and sometimes NPR to try and get as much news as possible. My biggest beef with the major American news sources is that even when they discuss important issues they mostly talk about their view point. Jesus Christ on crutches like I give a shit what you think. How about some facts jackass. That's my dear john letter to the news -lol- Now back to m-m-more cofffeee ....

Posted by: LittleDead at April 1, 2008 6:19 PM

I was in Yusifiyah, only a few kilometers away, in 2006, during the rape that was later depicted in Depalma's Redacted. I knew the soldiers who did it, and was surprised and shocked that it was them. I know it was them, and it makes sense now, but at the time I was in disbelief.

Watching Redacted, I wasn't brought back to that time so much as I found myself critiquing how it was framed: badly, and although I know Depalma's hands were tied when he filmed it, a big part of me wanted him to hit that issue/moment of the war head on, censors and backlash and ongoing trial be damned, just to put it in everyone's face. Those men-- guilty, and may they hang for what the did-- were stretch to their limits. As I said, I knew them, ate in the same chow hall, slept in the same barracks, rode in the same HMMWVs they did-- but Redacted really doesn't capture what it was like for them, before they all went nuts and did what they did.

This movie-- Stop Loss-- sounds like the opposite end of the spectrum. Many of the soldiers I served with in 2006 were stop-lossed, and as an officer who led them into combat I view(ed) it as a criminal act to draft from within, to involuntarily extend good men who were clearly used up from their first tour. To a man, all of those who were stop-lossed and served with me in late 2005 through late 2006 were on their second or third tour, some with wounds barely healed from the first trip over there, and most with families, job offers, college scholarships, and lives left hanging by the DoD's decision to retain them.

What this war needs-- filmwise (before I take a tragic left turn and list what we, the military, really need)-- is a film that captures the war as it is. I hesitate to name it, but Blackhawk Down-- a staple in the filmographic digest of any soldier or Marine- almost hits the mark for contemporary movies that are on point, message-wise: they focus on the mission and the execution, minus most of the politics. Even so it is somewhat spoiled by gobs of Hollywood BS, cheesy lines, and not enough angst to really capture how it felt for the Rangers in Somalia with Clinton's chairborne brigade in Washington tying their hands and limiting their engagements.

THIS war needs a movie like BHD to come in an summarize so much of what Redacted and In the Valley of Elah and the miniseries "Over There" failed to do, either by omission, obfuscation, or ignorance. There is a body of work waiting to be explored-- one that captures the IEDs, the stark terror of daily patrols through the same stretch of highway over and over ad nauseam, the feeling of losing a close friend when you were only weeks away from going home-- perhaps something like a melange of Platoon and other films of its ilk that can somehow sieze the feelings of this odd group of veterans. There were those who felt the triumph and unambiguous pride of liberating Iraq, those poor wretched souls who inherited the post-war insurgency, and the rest of us, strung out on our third and fourth tours, watching movies like Redacted, waiting for it all to end so we can finally write the postscript, get the interesting, retrospective view from some brilliant up-and-comer in the film industry, cry our tears, wear our VFW hats and Harley jackets, and try to heal a little.

Stop Loss seems like a good attempt, but it's not there yet. Next, please.

Posted by: RyanWasThere at April 2, 2008 9:29 AM

Wow. I don't want to make this into a damn AA meeting, but Ryan, thank you. Thank you for going there, and fighting, and having the balls and the words to depict the truth. We need more voices like this to snap the public out of their fucking TMZ daydreams and realize that people are dying and suffering (not just our soldiers) every day, half a world away, while we fiddle with our iPods.

St. Bridget on a pogo stick, where did all this come from? I'm normally not this...vociferous.

Posted by: Nicole at April 2, 2008 10:43 AM

I've been anticipating Pajiba's review of this movie, and I'm glad that it struck the same chord with Phillip as it did with me. I went into the movie expecting it to be godawful, actually, and I too belong to the camp of "If Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in it I'm seeing it no matter how bad it is," and I too was surprised.

Something I found to be slightly disturbing was that the review in a local paper I read beforehand (keep in mind, this is a mid-size Indiana town newspaper) criticized the depictions of post-war trauma as over-the-top and too immediate. While I was watching the movie, all I could think of was seeing a friend who was on leave from the Army infantry in Iraq. He too had only been home a very short time, and yet there were two or three times that night that he - a big, burly stoic guy just like the guys in this film - visibly and audibly choked up at the thought of what he'd seen over there. And I remember thinking at the time that he was acting kind of weird, vacillating weirdly between exuberance and sullenness in a way I saw echoed in the film as well. So. "Over-the-top"? I don't think so. I think to say that is a sign of some kind of serious denial about the psychological damage being done to these men and women.

Posted by: paquito at April 3, 2008 8:48 PM

I'm a soldier, i'm a soldier, i'm a soldier, i'm a soldier...

Yo', never was a thug, just infatuated with guns, never was a gangsta, 'til I graduated to one,
and got the rep of a villain, for weapon concealin', took the image of a thug, kept shit
appealin', willin' to stick out my neck, for respect if it meant life or death, never live to
regret what I said, when you're me, people just want to see, if it's true, if it's you, what you
say in your rap's, what you do, so they feel, as part of your obligation to fulfill, when they
see you on the streets, face to face, are you for real, in confrontation ain't no conversation,
if you feel you're in violation, any hesitation'll get you killed, if you feel it, kill it, if
you conceal it, reveal it, being reasonable will leave you full of bullets, pull it, squeeze it,
till it's empty, tempt me, push me, pussies, I need a good reason to give this trigger a good
squeeze...

Posted by: Alaa at September 10, 2008 10:18 AM


















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