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Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace / George

Film Reviews | February 28, 2009 | Comments (197)


Publisher’s Note: In lieu of an open thread this weekend, George — the angry, jaded, high-school wunderkind Eloquent — has instead provided us with this review.

I first watched Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, when I was only four or five, back in 1996 or 1997, and it blew me away. Everything about that movie hit me in the right places, and I still watch it and the sequels regularly. I love Star Wars, and ate up it, its sequels, and its merchandise like fresh peaches off a newly discovered tree. I still frequent that tree, and have been known to bite the head off of anyone who suggests that a bad fruit has come off of it. Lucas made the perfect bottle of champagne in film form, and the people drank the sweet with joy.

But thanks to the box office, and the extra champagne Lucas wanted to pour, a sequel was inevitable: so back in 1999, the long awaited Phantom Menace was released to the public after years of anticipation. It was as if Axl Rose released Chinese Democracy, and people still actually gave a shit about Axl Rose. I saw it, and it was one of the best experiences of my young life; I would be lying if I said otherwise.

But it barely matters, because as much as I loved this movie, many people out there absolutely fucking hated The Phantom Menace a million times over my love. I find this incredibly stupid, seeing as how these same people made these movies worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and cite facts about the movies that could only be garnered from someone who watched the film multiple times. I have absolutely no sympathy for them and neither should you, dear reader. They’d eat a shitsickle if Lucas made it, even if they knew they’d hate it. Fuck them.

However, I’ve watched this movie again recently, and to quote Brian Prisco from his Postal review: “What makes Postal so painful to watch is that it is like catching your ex-girlfriend giving a handjob to another guy: it would have been so much better if it was just in someone else’s hands.” Now, Phantom Menace plays in a much different field than the 2 hour, un-lubbed ass rape that was Postal, mostly because George Lucas has actually been able to direct films, unlike Uwe Boll; but as much as I hate to admit it, it’s true, it’s really true. Just replace the titles, and the same words hold dear.

The movie opens with Qui Gon Jin (Liam Neeson) and Obi Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor) entering a freighter owned by the infamous Trade Federation to try to negotiate with them over their continuous fucking in the ass over the people of Naboo. Showing all the kindness you would expect from a ruthless group of billionaires, they try to kill Qui Gon and Obi Wan as a fuck you to the Republic and the Jedi’s for getting in their business with the young prodigy and leader of the people of Naboo, Queen Amidala (Natalie Portman). The two Jedi sneak down to Naboo using their stealth, and wind up meeting the third most reviled character in Star Wars history, (with the first being Lucas, and the second being Ashoka from the movie Clone Wars), the poor man’s C3P0: Jar Jar Binks. I won’t mention the actor’s name for the sake of the last remaining shred of dignity of whoever had to play him.

Jar Jar was obviously an attempt for comic relief, which is needed in a movie like Star Wars to prevent it from going up its own ass, but it’s a disaster. His voice is a mess, and makes it thoroughly impossible to gain any comedic enjoyment without ungainly aggravation and the feeling of having your soul sucked dry. What the fuck George Lucas? You knew exactly what you were doing with Han Solo and C3PO, but this? Who the fuck told you it was a good idea to have that voice on Jar Jar Binks?

But more than anything else, I’m sick of hearing about Jar Jar Binks! He’s gotten way too much attention as the mere embodiment of Phantom Menace’s problems, and we really should stop acknowledging that he ever existed. Hey Lucas, give him a new fucking voice in your inevitable special edition! It really wouldn’t be so bad otherwise. At least then the super nerds all over the net will stop bitching about the special editions, those cunt pickles even more annoying than Binks, shut them up you fat, big chinned bastard.

A bunch of stuff happens, and Qui Gon, the Queen, and Obi Wan all wind up on Tattoine, where they meet the future Dark Lord himself, Little Darth Vader, Anakin Skywalker (Jake Lloyd). A lot of people really seem to hate this kid, but my only grudge against Lloyd is that I didn’t get his part. I would have sold my soul to whoever bought Lucas’s for that opportunity. Truth be told, he’s actually not too shabby as an actor. In fact, he toned the irritation levels of normal people his age down. Have you people actually met 9 year olds? They make you want to crawl inside your own ass to escape the pain of being around them.

An excellent pod race scene follows the introduction of Lil’ Vader, although my mother thought the scene went on for too long, and through a series of gambling deals and force powers, Qui Gon frees Anikin from slavery. We then first encounter Darth Maul, who is probably everyone’s favorite part of the movie, despite being underused. We then fight him, and leave for Couroscant.

They then speak with the Jedi Council and Galactic Republic, which is probably my least favorite part of the film due to Lucas’s poor ability to write serious dialogue becoming painfully apparent and relentlessly hammered into your head for the entirety of these scenes. Then we head back to Naboo for the final battle. I won’t go any further, as I wish to save your time, but the finale of this film is incredible. The Star Wars prequels all have excellent battle scenes, and I kept fantasizing I was Jake Lloyd in that cockpit blowing shit up, it made me feel ecstatic, and rekindled my original childhood love for this film.

The main reason this film is so reviled is that The Phantom Menace is like champagne without bubbles. It was left open and alone for too long, and while the flavor remains, the spark, and what made it really special is gone. People by then had to have been used to disappointing (Godfather III), and sometimes downright contemptible sequels (Alien 3 and 4) to great films, but this was motherfucking Star Wars, the best blockbusters ever made. It really hurt more than anything you’d feel if you were thrown into the Sarlacc pit. It’s not that it’s bad, but it missed the mark in a way no man of Lucas’s level should have.

The acting is actually great, probably the best in Star Wars history, and has some real high level talent (McGregor, Neeson, Ian McDermond, Portman, Samuel L. Jackson, Frank Oz, even Lloyd did good.) and the effects and battles are spectacular. But the bubbles are gone, and they are sorely missed. With the original Star Wars films, the whole was greater than the sum of the parts, but for the prequels, the inverse is true, and nothing can change that. The actors were not given much to work with in terms of script, and that can lead to some painful moments. But I blame Lucas; he always wrote the scripts for Star Wars. Lucas also just messed up the execution, like a delectable cake that fell on the floor thanks to a dumbass presenter. No one criticized him due to his limitless wealth and power, and Phantom Menace missed greatness thanks to that.

But you know what, nothing I say really matters, because you’re all going to think differently, and that’s why I wrote this. I want you to say what you really think, because the Pajiba mission is to laugh at the incompetent, and to save the functional from permanently lodging their head up their ass. Lucas is too far gone; his wealth brought him down, but somewhere out there, a film maker with the next great science fiction or fantasy adventure is working on his magnum opus. That man needs to know how to learn from the mistakes of his forbearers such as James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, and George Lucas, and I call upon you to guide the way dear readers. We will not let the bubbles go wasted again.

George is a high school student from New Mexico. He loves movies, and insulting Dustin Rowles with lengthy posts with poor grammar, and hates homework and Carlos Mencia. He hopes this will get posted due to it being a slow news period, and would like to review the upcoming atrocity Dragonball for this site. He couldn’t bear to have anyone else subjected to it.









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Comments

But you know what, nothing I say really matters, because you're all going to think differently, and that's why I wrote this.

wait, what?

i guess i missed the part where there was some group think here that the prequels were anything more than trash.

is this about dustin's (de rigeur Smith fan-boy)bagging on LOTR?

how about we compromise and say that the LOTR trilogy was solid entertainment, falling somewhere between the original and prequel Star Wars films?

Can't fanboys all just get along???

Posted by: Soylent Green is Sheeple at February 28, 2009 2:17 PM

Is it legal for a high-schooler to talk about champagne? I feel like I should be calling Child Protective Services or something.

Posted by: Sabrina at February 28, 2009 2:37 PM

1. The most interesting and original character in the entire film is killed off

I could make a list of a hundred reasons why this movie is a failure in a "Star Wars" sense...but I'll let the fanboys battle it out

Money is the main reason why said directors lose their edge and focus. And for Lucas it's pudding as well.

Posted by: o.k. carroll at February 28, 2009 2:40 PM

I don't...I don't understand. Did I wake up in 1999? Was there an outcry for a Phantom Menace review? Can I go back and write a review from my favorite episode of Double Dare that last aired seventeen years ago?

Fuck man. And if you're going to introduce someone as a wunderkind at least make him check his spelling.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at February 28, 2009 2:44 PM

I haven't seen this in years. I grew up with the originals (remember when they were always on cable?) and I loved them, but post-90s remastered edition Star Wars is so...lackluster/mediocre. I blame it on lack of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher. What's a movie without forced sexual tension with awkward sci-fi insults pulled off by actors with decent comedic timing?

Posted by: kelsy at February 28, 2009 2:48 PM

wait, what?

i guess i missed the part where there was some group think here that the prequels were anything more than trash.

is this about dustin's (de rigeur Smith fan-boy)bagging on LOTR?

how about we compromise and say that the LOTR trilogy was solid entertainment, falling somewhere between the original and prequel Star Wars films?

Can't fanboys all just get along???

I have a bizarre love/hate relationship with the prequels, I know I should hate them, but every single god damn time they get me. Besides Soylent Green, put yourself in my place, I was 7, I had never seen Star Wars on the big screen, and by then I'd probably taken my parents to so much trash, they really didn't mind.

Posted by: George at February 28, 2009 3:07 PM

And if you're going to introduce someone as a wunderkind at least make him check his spelling.

I'm sure they'll get to that once they proofread all the other pieces on this site. HAHAHAHA oh man it's funny because it's never going to happen.

My favorite Double Dare episode was the one in which the contestants had to fill up a container past a line. You know. That one episode they did that.

Posted by: Sabrina at February 28, 2009 3:13 PM

Little known fact: the slime used on Double Dare was rhinoceros sperm.

Posted by: stipe42 at February 28, 2009 3:20 PM

Don't the problems with the Star Wars prequels encompass everything to do with film-making in its entirety?
You could list the problems off, for crying out loud:

1) poorly written story, dealing with trade embargos (?!) and clones fighting robots
2) poorly written dialogue
3) acting that suffers from the poorly written dialogue, no matter how good the actor is
4) uninvolving sequences that are based entirely on CGI effects, with ridiculous set ups involving Jar Jar goofishly destroying an entire battalion of robots, eliminating any semblance of enjoyment one may have had 2/3 through the movie
5) poor endings caused by the combination of all of the above

I'm sure I'm even missing a few major problems with the movies, and despite criticism from the entire fanbase about these problems after the FIRST movie, Lucas still decided to go through with the second and third EXACTLY THE SAME WAY

I'm not even a fanboy, but I recognize good film-making from bad, and THIS, dsear highschool student, is horrible film-making.

Posted by: wex at February 28, 2009 3:21 PM

Yeah, when I was a kid, I thought that the Gong Show was the shit. That doesn't mean it wasn't complete crap, however. If your tastes haven't evolved from elementary school, then sorry- that's a cry for help.

Posted by: summerteeth at February 28, 2009 3:21 PM

Hrmm...

Well, if by "champagne" you mean "urine", I agree.

The acting is great? Jake Lloyd did good? These words you are using, I do not think they mean what you think they mean. Sure, Lucas had some talent to work with, but it did not come across on screen. Portman and Jackson were particularly awful, despite their talents.

The pod racing scene was dull. The only good scene in this entire movie (and series) was the lightsaber duel between Quin Gon, Obi Wan, and Darth Maul. The rest was utterly forgetable and boring.

Then again, I know a lot of young kids who really love the prequels. So, maybe it is a generational thing.

Posted by: ForbiddenDonut at February 28, 2009 3:24 PM

I agree with you George , while not great movies it could have been much worse. I can watch these movies with my kids and they love them . Through all their flaws they are still great family movies with enough substance to keep an adults attention so we dont feel like we wasted to much time . You will never recapture the feel of the originals and these dont come close but they are still very fun movies on a sunday afternoon when you would like to do nothing more than entertain your kids on a rainy day.

Posted by: gilp at February 28, 2009 3:34 PM

Little known fact: the slime used on Double Dare was rhinoceros sperm.

Fuck, now I'm really pissed off that I turned down a chance to eat Gak and slime when I was touring Universal Studios. I could've had humanoceros babies and been a freak and gotten a million-dollar porn contract! Is this what crushing remorse feels like? I don't think I like it.

Posted by: Sabrina at February 28, 2009 3:36 PM

Jar Jar Binks made me die a little on the inside. I agree that without him, the movie would be a lot better, but it still wouldn't make the movie anywhere near good.

Posted by: battgirl at February 28, 2009 3:39 PM

I'm guessing the character Ashoka isn't modeled off the first Buddhist emperor of India? Are there also Jedi named George Washington and Charles DeGaul?

Posted by: Inaras at February 28, 2009 3:45 PM

The acting is great? Jake Lloyd did good?

wait!

i only skimmed the review the first time, did someone actually claim Jake Lloyd did a good job?!?!?

[RTFA]

No shit!

I remember watching the special features when Phantom Menace came out on DVD for the first time, there was footage of the casting call to find Anakin. There were a number of kids who did a good job, a couple who just nailed it. The one who did the worst? Jake Lloyd. I mean it was obvious and everybody in the room, except George Lucas, knew it.

Poor George, can't write, can't direct, can't cast for shit.

Posted by: Soylent Green is Sheeple at February 28, 2009 3:47 PM

It was messy. It was embarrassing for all involved. It was walking back across hallowed ground that deserved to be left in the past.

The prequels were the ultimate in a Relationship: Take Two. We got back with the ex because it used to be good. We all went there, and I think we all felt a little grubby and ashamed afterward.

Posted by: Goldie at February 28, 2009 3:51 PM

Of the new trilogy, this is easily my favorite. Yes, the acting was frequently wooden, Lloyd was mediocre at best and Jar Jar was a fucking nightmare. But the action sequences were impressive and it was the only one of the three that had any sense of fun. It's the only one I've ever had to urge to re-watch. Mind you, that urge doesn't come around often.

However, as a Star Wars movie, it's a wreck.

Oh, and I thought this was quite well-written, for the most part. Typos? Perhaps. But that's not a fair assessment of someone's writing skill. And in any event, (and no offense George) but he's in freaking high school. That a high school student writes this well gives me some hope.

Posted by: TK at February 28, 2009 3:54 PM

I mostly agree with George. If I'd been nine or ten when I saw Phantom Menace, instead of all grown up, I probably would have been much less critical.

And George is right about Jake Lloyd, too. That kid was head and shoulders above most child actors his age. The material was not his fault--any more than it was Neeson's or Portman's.

However, probably because I was a grownup and not a kid, the pod race scene was actually what killed every shred of liking I had kept for the movie up until that point. I thought it would never end. And then it finally, finally ended...and there was still a bunch more movie. I shudder at the memory.

Posted by: Jerce at February 28, 2009 4:10 PM

Lucas is one of those people who got too famous to be saved from himself. He comes up with these wonderful ideas and beautiful visuals and then ruins him with his terrible dialogue and tone-deaf casting. But no one can say shit to him because a billion geeks have made him wealthy enough that he can fire anyone who disagrees with him. You hear that, Star Wars Fanatics? I blame you!

To be fair, I feel the same way about Stephen King.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at February 28, 2009 4:42 PM

The prequels suck for several basic reason:

A. George Lucas can't direct actors for shit.

B. George Lucas can't write dialog to save his dick.

C. George Lucas has complete creative control, therefore reasons A & B cannot be corrected.

Posted by: Dano at February 28, 2009 4:49 PM

George got the magic right just one time. After #4, he let other people help him with the screenplays and had new directors. When he went back to do 1,2,3, he tried to direct and went solo on the screenplay. And it just didn't work.

My main issue (aside from the horrifying dialogue and wooden acting: For the most vomit inducing example, I refer you to Episode 2 when Hayden Christianson compares Natalie Portman to the sand in the desert) was the over use of green screen and special effects. Everything in the movie looked...too slick.

Posted by: alphawhiskey at February 28, 2009 5:00 PM

I've been a pathetic Star Wars fan for my entire life. I was nine when Episode I came out in theatres, and I fucking loved that sucker. I saw it about more times than I can remember, I bought all the toys, I quoted the dialogue ad nauseam to anyone who would listen. It was only when I bought the movie itself and took it home (VHS, baby!) that I came to my senses. Comparing it to my beloved Original Trilogy (pre-Special Edition; I had some taste at least) that I realised that this was no Star Wars movie. It took a lot of viewings, but I eventually recognised it for the Bantha poodoo it was.

Then Episode II came out in theatres, and I fucking loved that sucker, too. That wore off fairly quickly, I never got around to the buying the DVD stage.

Then Episode III came out and, yes, that sucker was fucking loved. It's the music, I'm sure of it. I walked into that theatre a jaded, misanthropic teen, world weary from my previous experiences with Star Wars, but as soon as the music started and the Opening Crawl crawled I was helpless. That screen was showing the foulest, most vile violation of my most beloved Saga, and I ate it up and asked for seconds. The fanboy romance didn't even last until the next day, but I am forever tarnished by it. I swore never to see The Clone Wars in a cinema just in case it took hold of me again.

Posted by: James at February 28, 2009 5:53 PM

As a sophomore in college who saw a Star Wars movie a night back when I was 6 and instantly fell in love, and then saw Phantom Menace 3 times when it came out when I was in 4th grade, I get this completely. I just loved that movie. Looking back now, I can see its flaws, but they didn't matter then. It was just fun. At age 10, you don't need more than that.

Posted by: claire at February 28, 2009 5:58 PM

Everything the review says is true, even when it contradicts itself. Maybe especially when it contradicts itself.

I saw Phantom Menace three times in the theater. It really wasn't that bad, until you step back a bit and compare it to what it (and the other two in the series) might have been.

It's clear Lucas was guilty of standing too close to his easel, and surrounding himself with effectively a troop of yes-people who couldn't tell him it was crap. Good-looking crap, to be sure -- but in the end it's still Paul McCartney and Wings trying to recapture the Beatles.

Posted by: Neodiogenes at February 28, 2009 6:34 PM

"In lieu of an open thread this weekend, ..."

What? WHAT? Now wait just a goddam minute ...

*Rummages in file cabinet, pulls out ream of paper*

I have a contract RIGHT HERE, sir! Right HERE! It says, Section 4, paragraph E, subsection 92(a), subparagraph L.O.V.E., quote: "We have a deal."

A DEAL, I said, and a DEAL's a DEAL, you chiseler. You'll be hearing from my attorn ...

Aw, fuck it. I didn't really have a good topic for this week anyway.

Unless ... sex toys in the house? How many and what kind? Raise a hand out there, don't be shy.

Posted by: bucdaddy at February 28, 2009 6:59 PM

I agree that Lucas can't direct (and write and cast). Even Episode IV is a bad movie that suffers from bad acting and writing. Still, it has a kind of juvenile charm, and was something new in it's day. Ep V and VI were much better.

All the same, when Ep I runs on TV, I usually wait about an hour before I watch it (if I watch it). The first hour is boring and confusing. There is now real reason or background offered why the Trade Federation is blockading Naboo.
You get a kick and land in the whole mess without direction, just like the Jedi. When the podrace starts, the movie gets better, although the race is almost an exact rip-off of the wagon race in Ben Hur.


The worst of the prequels is Ep II. Lucas did almost nothing right in that one (except the lightsaber battle in the end, maybe).

Btw: The Clone Wars series astoundingly got better after the underwhelming pilot. Ashoka is even bearable.

Posted by: FabMax at February 28, 2009 7:02 PM

I love Star Wars, and ate up it

This pretty much sums George up for me at this point in his journey. I appreciate a high schooler trying to keep this company and I admire his tenacity, but the writing still has (too?) much room for improvement.

Thanks for encouraging him, Dustin (seriously), but I suspect he might benefit even more from being encouraged to read other really good writers. There are plenty from whom to choose; my personal short list for learning first economical and then extravagant uses of language and of theme would be E.B. White and Joseph Conrad. Oh, and whatever you do, George, trust me when I tell you that you can't shake your adolescent overuse of the word "fuck" soon enough...

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 28, 2009 7:07 PM

Darth Vader, the embodiment of evil as a cute little kid? No, just no. The force everybodies favorite general magic explained as midichlorians? It wasn't enough for Lucas to make a bad prequal he had to shit all over the original. I was cheering for Darth Maul to at least chop those little rattails off the Jedi. Apparently all that mystic knowledge was learned at Orange Julius circa '87. The question isn't how Lucas made a bad movie, its how he made a good one.

Posted by: mrcreosote at February 28, 2009 7:07 PM

Unless ... sex toys in the house? How many and what kind? Raise a hand out there, don't be shy.

Posted by: bucdaddy at February 28, 2009 6:59 PM

When I raise my hand, all five of my sex toys are on full display.

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 28, 2009 7:11 PM

Six if I stick my tongue out at you, but that would be disrespectful.

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 28, 2009 7:12 PM

I've only ever heard E.B. White read aloud Che, the books were Stuart Little and Charlotte's Web. I've yet to read Heart of Darkness, but if the book is better than the movie, I bet it must be phenomenal.

Oh, I didn't think anyone could top Drake's comment on The Jonas Brothers, but you and bucdaddy did it. That was hilarious, we have a new comment of the week.

Posted by: George at February 28, 2009 7:21 PM

Thank you, Che. That's what I was going for. It reads more like Pajiba fanfic than Pajiba.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at February 28, 2009 7:21 PM

Darth Vader, the embodiment of evil as a cute little kid? No, just no.

Anyone who hasn't seen/heard Patton Oswalt's take on the prequels cannot call himself a Star Wars fan.

Posted by: Jerce at February 28, 2009 7:30 PM

People there is nothing wrong with liking Star Wars, please don't let anyone change how you feel about Lucas. We sometimes over analyze a particular thing just because someone put shit in our minds. Ain't no motherfucker can make me change my mind about the whole Star Wars phenomenon. You weak minded motherfuckers, I could do the Jedi mind trick on all you sons of bitches all day long.

Posted by: Pookie at February 28, 2009 7:52 PM

Che: My apologies if this is a sore point, but if you have all six of your sex toys on display with your hand up and tongue out, then you must either have no penis and only one hand, or your penis and off hand are worthless for the purposes of sexual gratification. I would not want to assume either scenario true, given your obvious godlike sexual prowess, so perhaps you should elaborate.

Posted by: stipe42 at February 28, 2009 7:55 PM

*opens fridge and looks in vegetable drawer*

If I have three carrots a cucumber and an avocado, does that count as five or three?

Che, I like your hands on approach.

Posted by: admin at February 28, 2009 7:57 PM

Aw, shucks, George, all I do is set it on a tee so Che can hit it out of the park and I can laugh at the result. I do it to amuse myself, sort of like ...

*sticks hand in pants*

Oh, wait, I do that to aBUSE myself. Sorry, bad analogy.

Posted by: bucdaddy at February 28, 2009 7:57 PM

FabMax, you have it right (and beat me to the comment, dammit!).

Forget about ragging on the pod race scene for being too long, boring, breaks up the movie, whatever. How about beating G.L. over the head with a fascii because it's a SHOT-FOR-SHOT ripoff of the chariot race in Ben Hur?

Literally. For reals.

Set up 2 players, whatever configuration you can do (PC/TV, DVD player/TV, PC/DVD player, whatever). Load both movies, fast forward to the race scene then let both play at the same time.

Shot for literal fucking shot, total ripoff. And not even a mention, reference, nothing for Ben Hur. Grave-robbing bastard. Smother his incapable head in a dusty toga, someone? Please?

And yeah, while I'm totally not into religious movies, I am still horse-crazy. My mother, bless her, sat and watched all of Ben Hur just to tape *just* the chariot race part for me. Which I've watched since, many a time. So yeah, I *know* that sequence, and G.L. has no right to call that 'one of his most exciting scenes' or whatever he said about it.

Not his. Not at all. Grave-robbing bastard.

And thanks for listening.....

Posted by: bjs1109 at February 28, 2009 7:58 PM

admin, That counts as 50 percent of a balanced diet. You got your vegetables and your fruit ... an avocado is a fruit, isn't it? Now you need some wheat and meat. I suggest a trip to the bar.

Posted by: bucdaddy at February 28, 2009 8:02 PM

stipe42, a penis is not a sex toy. It's a sex weapon. At least, it should be.

Posted by: Sabrina at February 28, 2009 8:46 PM

stipe42, he specifically said toys -- not tools of the trade. Those are a given...

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 28, 2009 8:49 PM

Fuck Ben Hur that psycho, he ran the Rome chapter of NAMBLA

Posted by: Pookie at February 28, 2009 8:57 PM

I've only ever heard E.B. White read aloud Che, the books were Stuart Little and Charlotte's Web. I've yet to read Heart of Darkness, but if the book is better than the movie, I bet it must be phenomenal.

Posted by: George at February 28, 2009 7:21 PM

You're thinking of White's fiction -- which is popularly (mis)regarded as "children's books" and includes the leader of that triumvirate, Trumpet of the Swan -- but he was also a masterful essayist and writer about language. Please check out The Elements of Style at your earliest convenience.

You also exposed another of your youthful habits in your response about Heart of Darkness -- there is no movie for the book to be better than (unless you are trying to count any of the varied films with storylines taken from HoD, such as Apocalypse Now). If you don't know something, don't be afraid to say so...you will look much less ignorant than when you try to wing it and get caught. And if you're serious about giving Conrad a whirl I also heartily recommend Lord Jim -- it's a better place to start, since Hod is a pretty dense read.

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 28, 2009 9:12 PM

I too caught The Phantom Menace as a youngling, though quite uninitiated into the ways of the Lucas. Perhaps I was too old, had seen too much.

(Oh. My. God. I just vomited on my own campiness.)

Long story short: Saw the TPM first. Enjoyed Jar Jar. Shut up. Hated "Annie" (good god). Was, if I may say, intensely jealous of Natalie Portman for getting to wear the big feathered habit.

But - and I think this really says something positive about my character - I had a new screen crush when I walked out of that theatre. Was it wooden heartthrob Ewan MacGregor? No. Was it age-appropriate Jake Lloyd? Hells no.

It was Liam Neeson. In a beard. I was attracted to his sage and skillz. And somehow, I knew, just by watching, that he was unhappy with the movie and his performance. And that ironic detachment was the sexiest of all.

(By the way, good on you for publishing a high school kid. A piece for the portfolio, eh? Woulda killed for one of those two years ago...)

Posted by: Ling at February 28, 2009 9:20 PM

Che I think George made an honest mistake. AN was an adaptation of HoD.

Posted by: Pookie at February 28, 2009 9:34 PM

I think everyone is being a tad harsh on George. Have ya'll met many sixteen year olds recently? I work with high schoolers, and let me tell ya, I tip my hat to George's efforts. Most of the ones I encounter are concerned mainly with their strategic highlights, their IPODS filled with shitty ass bands like Nickelback, and their attempts to hide the fact that they are texting in class. Don't let the harsh comments discourage you, George. Although I hate this movie with a fiery passion and still regret the $$ I spent to see it in the theater, I thought your piece was well-written and well defended. Keep on going; you've definitely got some writing skills. If this is what you're doing at sixteen, you show a lot of promise. Fuck the cranky old folks. I look forward to your next review.

Posted by: tinmo at February 28, 2009 9:36 PM

Hey George,

*pats the empty spot on the couch next to me* Can we talk, for like, a sec? Great, thanks. First of all, I think it is so cute that you wrote this. Mad kudos to you, sweetie. It takes serious guts to go up to the podium at Pajiba with a book report and untied sneakers, but you did it. I am so proud of you.

But your comparison of this movie to champagne sans bubbles is a little, well, young. Not that there's anything wrong with that! You're in high school and it's totally age appropriate for you to make that sort of connection. Since I'm to assume that you've never actually had champagne, not that I'd narc, but champagne left out doesn't just loose it's bubbles, it looses it's flavor, appropriate temperature and luster? I wouldn't make an Advil-Mimosa cocktail with the champagne I left on the counter the night before. Actually, I have no idea why I'd have champagne left over... But that's beside the point!

The point is: the movie wasn't even as good as a dixie cup full of day-old Andre. Yea, it's kind of like PBR... You'll get a buzz if you inhale it fast enough... And positively smashed if you don't know what the hell you're doing. The acting was cringe-worthy in a lot of places. It wasn't ovary-kicking bad like Christenson's in the next two (MY GOD, HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE CHEMISTRY WITH NATALIE PORTMAN!!!?!?!?!!???? Wait, that's another rant for another day), but it wasn't good. The story was no where near as fun as the original trilogy. It's been mentioned before, but what the hell I'll say it again: CGI does not make a good movie. Lucas tried to gloss over the fact that he probably knew shit about where he was going with the movie (thank God episodes 4-6 dictated a conclusion) with a shit ton of ridiculous effects. The movie was all kinds of cringe-inducing nastiness.

Oh sweetie, no, don't say anything just yet. The fact is that it doesn't matter. Seriously, if you like that movie lap it up. You said that it's a youth thing that determined your predisposition for loving the movie, but I was almost 12 and knew it was baloney. It's a very high school action to take up arms in defense of your own opinion, but let it go. Yea it's fun to pick fights (especially with this crowd), but be confident enough in your own likes that you don't really need to take a stand. Like the damn movie if you want and don't make apologies for it.

*pats your shoulder* Like I said, totally commendable that you'd go this far to make your point, but maybe spend less time fighting windmills and more time expanding your cinematic horizon?

Uh, and since I'm treating you like the rest of my younger brother's friends... I'd really appreciate it if you weren't right there when I get out of the shower... I like my personal space. But hey, don't worry, I'll still talk comic books and video games with you... Just, you know, when I'm wearing more than a robe.

Sincerely,
Your Friend's Hot Older Sister

Posted by: Kayanne at February 28, 2009 9:56 PM

By all means Che, rip that young punk a new one. Now we have to watch what we say because Rowles thought it would be cute to let some wise ass kid do some writing up in this piece.

Posted by: Pookie at February 28, 2009 10:16 PM

holy crap! i just compared the two races!

i am dunderfucked.
even though watching horses but hearing pod-racing was kinda fun.

Posted by: guiltypartner at February 28, 2009 10:40 PM

Well Che, the movie I was talking about was Apocalypse Now, it was an awesome film, and it's even more awesome when you realize that it was almost a disaster.

Lovely piece Kayanne. I read that Pookie, you drunken Tyler Perry lover.... Was that going to far?

Posted by: George at February 28, 2009 10:53 PM

Hey, Pookie, I'm really trying not to be too rough...using kid gloves, as it were. My apologies to any and all -- but especially George -- if I'm coming across as harsh or old or cranky. It is truly not my intent to discourage him, but rather to nudge him in a different direction. I rather liked Kayanne's approach, but there's no way I could pull something like that off...

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 28, 2009 10:55 PM

Listen George I got cum rags older than you, so don't break my balls, ok?

Posted by: Pookie at February 28, 2009 11:06 PM

I didn't think you were being harsh, Che (though I, too, like Kayanne's approach, and I have something she CAN pull off, or on, if you get my drift *winks*). If George didn't show some promise I doubt you'd waste your time trying to be helpful. He DOES write pretty well for 16, there's just some stuff he could clean up a little, and "Elements of Style" is an excellent place to go for that. Though I don't know what it says for the level of his intelligence that he's hanging around here when he could be looking at porn.

Night, all. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: bucdaddy at February 28, 2009 11:07 PM

Why is everyone trying to nurture this kid, shouldn't we try to break his goddamn spirit and drive him to drugs like the world did to all of us?

Posted by: Pookie at February 28, 2009 11:17 PM

I'm glad you liked it, George! I really do respect your moxy. And I'm glad you didn't take offense to me implying that you might be like my brother's friends who've been cropping up all over the place lately since both he and I have moved back home. It's just I haven't been able to express to them that I'm not exactly up for a conversation fresh from a nice, hot, relaxing shower. Yea there's the whole "more face time" thing you're playing on and I know I smell like pomegranates and my cheeks are flushed, but dude, seriously, put the video game on pause to chat me up a little later. Like... Not-barely-naked later.

And I'm glad other people seem to share George's sentiment. Although I have no way of knowing if it's because of what I wrote or they enjoyed the fond throw back to the days of scoping out their friend's hot sister.

Regardless, one question remains: bucdaddy... are you implying that you have a detachable penis? Because if so, it brings up so many other questions. Like, when you're parted from your wife for more than a day or so, do you lend it to her to remember her by? When did you first discover your penis's detachable qualities? Did you ever use it in lieu of an action figure?

Pooks, I'm not in the business of breaking spirits. I would have given him a hug but I worried that he would have rubbed my back a little too long and a little too low. (Again, George, not implying that you're handsy

Posted by: Kayanne at February 28, 2009 11:33 PM

George, great review. as a Star Wars fan who's in much the same seat as you, i agreed with almost everything you said. painful to watch? sometimes. as a complete Star Wars nerd, can i ever say i hate the prequels? nope.

your one problem was this: man, you should never have admitted you were a high school student.

Posted by: paquito at February 28, 2009 11:51 PM

Are you kidding, Kayanne? You know George would move his HAN SOLO.


Yeah, I said it.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at February 28, 2009 11:51 PM

Hey Jake,

You're AlterEgo is totally the friend of my brother that I wish had a crush on me.

I really should not like that you dropped a Double Dare reference (what, what, Mark Summaaaahs!) and a Han/Hand pun, but there it is. You, sir, rock.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 12:06 AM

Even someone (or maybe ESPECIALLY someone) in high school should know that it's Tatooine, not Tattoine.
Frankly, so should the rest of you. For shame!!

Posted by: gelis at March 1, 2009 12:20 AM

I didn't think you were being too hard, Che, plus, you reminded me of The Trumpet and The Swan, I completely forgot about that gem. Yes, it was read to my class back in 4th or 5th grade by the teacher, but it was still good, damn it.

Oh, and Pookie, don't worry, after living half my life in the George Bush era, (Why do I have to share his Christian name, couldn't you have been named something else grandpa?) being picked on like a motherfucker, living in a one horse town that was almost shut down thanks to that shithead LANL head Pete Nanos, having shitty social skills, and being in high school (Not as bad as middle school, though.) my spirit has had a good start at being crushed like a racing pod slamming into a desert rock.

Posted by: George at March 1, 2009 12:23 AM

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.
Who's this youngblood going around like he owns the place? What happened to back when you had to earn your stripes as an Eloquent? When you had to spend a night considering never coming back after Pookie tore you a new one.
But that isn't what grinds my gears. It's that this kid is trying to step on MY TURF. I'm The Young Guy. I Love Star Wars.
Where was this George (If you call that an Nom de Guerre) when Dustin was going around talkin' Hans Solo? Where?
I was on the front lines. I Never let that shit go. So now this young pup comes in and thinks he can talk Star Wars? And try to fill my niche? It's one thing to be a fan. But taking a man's essence? Taking his joie de vive?
Next thing you know he'll be finding his way into a lascivious internet affair with some chica.
Then where will I be?
Drunk and alone and feeling worthless on a Saturday Night? Coming home to the one little corner of the Internet where everybody knows my name and I'll find only blank stares. I won't know they're blank, But DAMMIT I'll assume it.
And it's TATOOINE.
AND IT'S ANAKIN.
AND IT'S CORUSCANT.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at March 1, 2009 12:41 AM

Damn, y'all are making me feel old. I saw Return of the Jedi, the first time, in theaters. (I wasn't old enough for the other two).

My General Grievance(s) with the original trilogy have already been summed up by Chef Elf.

http://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep1.php

Posted by: Rowen at March 1, 2009 1:26 AM

....

That dug deep Optimus, but the spell checker doesn't show how to correctly spell fictional planets.

Besides, did you even read my comments after Dustin insulted the original trilogy? I was there. I was there, damn it.

Oh my god, that one comment I made where I messed up the HTML tag looks stupid. Pookie will probably tear me a fifth or sixth asshole for that. (The other ones were torn by Pookie and Optimus, for those of you who are curious.)

How old are you Optimus?

Posted by: George at March 1, 2009 1:35 AM

AND IT'S JOIE DE VIVRE!!!

And technically since it was an essay "George" would be un nom de plume, but considering it's his handle, guerre, applies. Even though technically, "George" is neither, since it's his actual name.

/francophile insomniac rant

Optimus, this is what happens when you get on my list: I let someone else win. If it takes me coaching George on how to go from super sweet to crazy bitch in an instant then disappearing for a few days because he doesn't know how to come back from threatening to cut a bitch, because frankly, threatening people isn't really my thing except when it comes to fisticuffs... Err..

Any way, Rhyme, we know you're dirty secrets. George is fresh, like Gain or good pie. He's so adorable and weird like that David After Dentist video. You hit on girls using the "I have so many different ideas that I wanna express and you listen, girl, because you're so intuitive... Sometimes I feel so awkward, but you understand me, babe, you're so different, so special" pick-up line.

We already know your stink, Rhyme. George has still got that new car smell.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 1:37 AM

3 snaps in a Z formation, Kayanne!

Posted by: Sabrina at March 1, 2009 2:14 AM

Wait...did we go back in time 10 years? Because if so, I should go sell all my dotcom stock, try to create Google and find a way to get in between at Lindsay Lohan before she meets cocaine, heroin, alcohol and 10,000 penii.

As for The Phantom Menace...at the risk of continuing the Internet uber-fanboy flamewar, I'll say that:

Only Ray Park, Neeson and McGregor got out of this movie with their rep intact (Ewan actually made it through the entire Prequel Trilogy as one of the few positives). Portman (a capable actress elsewhere) is horrid in this thing. And Jake Lloyd...oy vey. He isn't the worst thing in this, but he's clearly not the best.

Deep down, I think Lucas cared more about the wizardry and technical magic than the story he was conveying. Listen to the DVD commentary and you'll hear him wax poetically about the effects and the talent by ILM. I doubt he spends more than a few moments talking about the actors or the story that's taking place.

Also, what made Star Wars work is that they were simple stories -- old-school fables told in a futuristic setting -- in which you have a very black and white dichotomy. But the Prequels instead feature a universe that is very gray, with political and economical alliances that shift. That, in itself isn't an issue, except that Lucas continues to try and shoehorn that black and white dynamic into the gray story. And that comes truer with The Jedi, who are not allowed to be anything but white knights -- even when they refuse to help the Queen free her people.

Lucas didn't know what he wanted to say with these movies. He just figured that he had the tech to do it with. Talk about the tail leading the dog.

Posted by: Fredo at March 1, 2009 3:03 AM

I`m sorry, you lost my attention with the first line where you revealed your age. I think you are too young to have an opinion on this matter.

Posted by: mastodan at March 1, 2009 3:10 AM

I first watched Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, when I was only four or five.

Fuck, I feel old

Posted by: figgy at March 1, 2009 3:11 AM

I'll just get this out of the way first: The Phantom Menace was an excuse for George Lucas to pleasure himself with special effects and CGI.

I hope he enjoyed it, because nobody else did.

George, I should be the last one to give advice, but I would like to offer the following:

Don't try so hard.

I do have to give you props for throwing down in this environment though. It's intimidating reading the Eloquents, dropping their neuro-snark and scathing criticism upon these hallowed pages, and then trying to add a cent or two without sounding inept (I should know). Read the comments and learn from them, they will only help you to improve.

As an aside, I am writing a book. Kayanne, your shower scene will be the finale.

Thanks Figgy, that makes the rest of us feel ancient.

Posted by: admin at March 1, 2009 3:43 AM

Well played Dustin,

That was good

Your geek movie reviews still suck though

Posted by: Chris at March 1, 2009 9:14 AM

I'm The Young Guy.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at March 1, 2009 12:41 AM

But not the Young Gun anymore...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *in best BarbadoSlim style*

And it's TATOOINE.
AND IT'S ANAKIN.
AND IT'S CORUSCANT.

Welcome to the Old Fart Conclave!

Posted by: Che Grovera at March 1, 2009 9:36 AM

it really gets to me when people write "yea" instead of "yeah".

go back to your sesame street days and sound out your letters, morons.

if you are going to try to be snarky and clever while taking someone to task you might want to make sure that you are using the correct words.

Posted by: arr matey at March 1, 2009 9:43 AM

Welcome to the Old Fart Conclave
Has Obi Wan become Old Ben Kenobi...?
And when did I get on your list Kayanne? I thought we were cool. Remember finals week? We both kind of got our asses kicked there, huh?
Is this about EE? You know I can't pick everyone. You know if I could I would. I'd roll up with one of those t-shirt guns that killed Maude Flanders and give you the 1 gun salute. (Which I am certain is something dirty)
Just don't hate me. Your words... they cut me deep.
Lastly,
George I didn't recall your name among the people defending Star Wars. I'll apologize for that. Only that.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at March 1, 2009 10:45 AM

Hi Kayanne,

You made me feel giddy through the internet.

...

I got nothing else.

-Jake

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 10:51 AM

"(Jake Lloyd). A lot of people really seem to hate this kid, .... Truth be told, he's actually not too shabby as an actor."

Aaaaand that's where you lost me.

Apart from "Tattoine"? Where's that? "Corouscant"...huh?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 11:18 AM

A lot of you guys here have lady issues and it is becoming a nuisance to me. The lady in your life has only three jobs that you should make sure she does. Here jobs are cooking, cleaning, and her bedroom duties.

Posted by: Pookie at March 1, 2009 11:25 AM

Christ Pookie, you're losing your edge. You forgot minding the children.

Posted by: admin at March 1, 2009 11:30 AM

My lady's first duty involves gettin' me cold, frosty, brews.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 11:59 AM

This whole Mr. Miyagi/Ralph Macchio thing you guys have going on with this kid over a shitty, 10-year old, irrelevant piece of cinema is sweet and endearing and all, but in all honesty, I think it's time we got back to a more important and relevant conversation, namely, when am I gonna get laid again?

Seriously, it's been awhile. I need some. I need some leads at the very least.

Go to work, Eloquents. Find me some poon.

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at March 1, 2009 12:03 PM

B, you are on the right tract. Most of the guys here are so hen picked they refuse to re-educate their old ladies. I have no problem with reorienting my old lady when the mission is not followed.

Posted by: Pookie at March 1, 2009 12:11 PM

Well Pink Hulk you are missing those three main ingredients to getting and keeping a woman. Those ingredients are a van, rope, and a wooded area.

Posted by: Pookie at March 1, 2009 12:21 PM

Find me some poon.

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at March 1, 2009 12:03 PM

Why? Has the term "poon" been co-opted by the gay community to mean something besides what I've always known (and loved) it to be?

Oh, and thanks for The Karate Kid reference and forcing me to revisit that chuckle from becks' EE-winning "wax off" comment...

Posted by: Che Grovera at March 1, 2009 12:50 PM

HEAR HEAR CHE!

We would also like the following terms back:

Bear
Vaseline
Nipple-Clamp
Assless
Chaps

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 12:58 PM

BS,

I doubt you're getting Bear . . back. (damn, I can't type that without smirking)

You can, however, have vaseline. We don't use it. If it's that heavy duty a job, it's Gun Oil, Crisco, or elbow grease. . . .

I refuse to give up assless or chaps. Mainly because most straight guys don't do enough squats to allow them to wear that. I call it the frat boy workout. Run for an hour, then bench press as much as you can. You have little chicken legs, and really big pecs.

You can have Mangina, though. It's not something I like to think about, and too many of my gay brothers use it when they're trying to be sexy, and it just turns me off. (I also am firmly against my fellow gay men using female terms to describe their anatomy. Excuse the crudness of this next statement, but as much as I like to have my way with your *figuratively, not YOUR* ass, it is in no way, shape, or form, a pussy.)

Posted by: Rowen at March 1, 2009 1:38 PM

Elbow grease, Rowen? I don't see how using your elbow would make things any easier.... Also, I have to agree, "mangina" is a hideous word. Really, can people actually use it with a straight face, let alone to be sexy??

Posted by: meaux at March 1, 2009 2:07 PM

I think it's more referred to as elbow grease because it makes it easier to slide your forearm, up to the elbow, in. I'm not sure. I've never done it, nor have any urge to do it or have it done to me.

Posted by: Rowen at March 1, 2009 2:10 PM

Ah, I see.

I kind of wish I could un-see.

Posted by: meaux at March 1, 2009 2:15 PM

What meaux said.

Posted by: Pookie at March 1, 2009 2:35 PM

Dear Mr. Slim,

I've run your requests by the administration at Homosexual Headquarters, and I'm sorry, but you cannot have the words "bear," "assless," or "chaps" back, but you can take back "Vaseline," and "nipple clamp," as neither really do much to provide our community with pleasure or humor any longer.

Insofar as the word "poon" is used, we feel that it is innocuous enough, funny enough, relevant enough, and just un-feminine enough, and doggoneit, our people like it. Therefore, it is now ours. We are also holding a closed-door meeting later this month to decide on whether or not the heterosexual community will be allowed to keep the words and/or phrases "knocked up," "fist," and "titty fuck." We think that they are clever and may suit our needs for the fiscal year 2010.

We appreciate your requests and suggestions and welcome you to keep the lines of communication open in the future; however, please keep in mind that since we are already going to Hell and refuse to conform to any known societal norms, we will likely not take your opinion into consideration, as we just can't be bothered to care.

Sincerely,
The Pink Hulk
Ambassador, HH

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at March 1, 2009 2:42 PM

I would like to lodge an objection to the use of the word "poon" in reference to the sweet ass of my young gentleman friend. I don't feel that it is relevant or un-feminine.

However, I will would like to state that I am much more comfortable with poon as opposed to mangina or man-pussy. If poon is an effort to remove them from the gay lexicon, then I will rescind my objection and fully support the new effort.

Posted by: Rowen at March 1, 2009 2:49 PM

i was going to write an article about the rise and fall of chris cornell, but perhaps there's a teener on the roster who first heard soundgarden at his parents' 2005 grunge-themed halloween party and can explain through ill-chosen metaphors and crude, ad-hominem attacks how, despite some "real high level talent" and bavarian cream on the floor, something that we all know is terrible is obviously terrible.

Posted by: celery at March 1, 2009 2:52 PM

having said that, i've been meaning/promising to write a pajiba review (or two) for over a year... so, kudos to george for getting 'er done and inspiring me to step up.

Posted by: celery at March 1, 2009 2:57 PM

This has to be political or a propos of absolutely nothing.

Again, a 10-year old topic brought down to us rehashed from the mountain by adolescent Moses?

You know your audience is a bit on the sophisticated side?

The Blood and Monsters writing was well-written, it just didn't take into consideration that it may have been written about 50 years previous by psychologists and what not and the author presented the information as if it were freshly realized.

And I thought I was the one who needed to get out more.

Posted by: Recondite at March 1, 2009 3:04 PM

Oh Rhyme... My beef with you started not when I didn't get EE, I figured out long ago that, that pleasure would forever be denied to me (insert Prisco you're an asshat shout-out here). But no, while you remained rather benign for a long ass time, I get really miffed with you when you were calling favorites not two minutes into your appointed position. Dude, that's like stage three douchey. I'm not gonna do jumping jacks for you so my breasts can jiggle and you can might maybe consider me for a top ten. No sir, I'm nobody's bitch, at least not without somebody buying me a drink, dammit. You, sir, threw off the natural order.

Also, I figure if I'm gonna have a Joker to my Batman it might as well be the twiggy white boy two years my junior who can't even buy liqueur legal-like. These odds clearly put me on top.

Speaking of on top, how you doing, Jake?

(Also, pleasepleasepleaseplease let Pink Hulk win for comment of the week. His transmission from the HH was beautiful.)

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 3:24 PM

Most Revered Gay Ones-

As a straight man (yeah, right!, screams my old fraternity members), I would proffer up the words "fist" and "titty fuck" to your illustrious organization as they are both verbs that are unchanged by their homo/hetero use. "Knocked up" the verb would be acceptable use. Adjectival use would need to be discussed at a later date.

No, good sirs, nouns are where our problems lie. "Poon", from the latin "poonani", is a--admittedly uncouth--term for a vagina. By co-opting said word to mean ass, you are denigrating the very life-giving hole that you gave you birth. What would your mothers think if they knew you regarded an asshole and their womb as equal? We straights are too blame for the rude slang used in relation to that holiest of holies, and that is our cross to bear. I cannot, in good conscience, allow you to use poon as synonymous for ass. Think of your mothers.

Sincerely-

JakesAlterEgo

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 3:27 PM

@ Kayanne

*Blush*

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 3:31 PM

I have a contract RIGHT HERE, sir! Right HERE! It says, Section 4, paragraph E, subsection 92(a), subparagraph L.O.V.E., quote: "We have a deal."

Posted by: bucdaddy at February 28, 2009 6:59 PM

Fucking right, buc. This breach of contract by Dustin shall have consequences.

Now although I am no longer bound to that contract, must I still be restrained by the knowledge that we have some underagers in these parts?

Should I stay away from discussions about cocks, and ass, and tits?

Or butthole pleasures?

When George is around should I not talk about cincinatti bowties, and pussy juice cocktails, and shit stained balls?

Do I need to ask an Eloquent's age before I ask her about rusty trombones, meat curtains or sweater pillows?

I don't know. I. Do. Not. Know.

By the way, nice effort Geroge (sic). Now go outside and take out the garbage.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at March 1, 2009 3:49 PM

I actually enjoyed the fuck out of reading that. Nice change of pace. Let him do the Dragonball movie.

Posted by: EricD at March 1, 2009 3:51 PM

Whatever happened to guys wantin' pussy for Christ sake?

Posted by: Pookie at March 1, 2009 3:53 PM

WHY "STAR WARS I : THE PHANTOM MENACE" IS A MEMORABLE MOVIE.

1. My office (computer tech support) was so afraid that all us nerds would call in sick in order to catch the first showing of the movie, that they actually bought us all tickets and scheduled us to go to the movie, during work hours, at staggered times, so we wouldn't all be "out sick" that day.

2. Coming back from the movie and walking around the office making fun of the "gay, Jamaican rabbit." You know of who I speak.

3. Wondering why they didn't reshoot the scene where Queen Amidala slips and almost falls on her ass, since it obviously wasn't intentional.

4. Vowing to never watch another Star Wars movie ever again.

Posted by: BWeaves at March 1, 2009 3:54 PM

Hey Jake...

...If we were on >i>Legends of the Hidden Temple I would totally want you as my partner and I'd let you pick our team's animal/color.

...If our life was like Salute Your Shorts, I would never give you an awful waffle.

...If we were on Alex Mac I would totally turn into a metalloid gelatinous blob to sneak under the door of a top secret lab so that we could get you some tips for your science project.

Damn, I miss the Nickelodeon of yore when the only educational programming they had was Mr. Wizard.

Also, nice response to "PoonGate."

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 4:01 PM

Oh, and Pink. The gays can't have poon. If you are getting poon then you are either not gay or maybe bi.

Poon does not smell of ass. Well, sometimes it does, but I digress.

You also cannot have titty fuck. If you ever did that with a guy you were all up on his bitch tits. You cannot degradate the art of titty fucking by including man boobs in the equation.

And just for that assault on the hetero communtity vernacular I just took felcher and snowballing back.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at March 1, 2009 4:01 PM

I just re-watched all of the first season of The Adventures of Pete & Pete yesterday.

Kayanne, you could be my dot.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 4:04 PM

That bold isn't a typo...I just meant it that much.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 4:05 PM

*swoon*

Marching Squids For Life

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 4:07 PM

I propose that the Overlords task young master George with: all "Movie" movies, all Uwe Boll material, all Hannah Montana/Jonai releases, and all the Skank Cancer.

We'll make a man out of you yet.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 4:12 PM

So we're nemesiseses then? Nemesii? Nemeseas? Ok Ok, either way it's on. I just wish I could hate Pete & Pete... I just love Petunia too much.
I really need to consider this when I look at getting tattooed.
But enough diversion. It's officially on.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at March 1, 2009 5:02 PM

I believe the term is: Nemesen

yeah, Nemesen.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 5:14 PM

Whoa. You cannot declare war with one half of the Green Monkeys without bringing down the other's wrath. She is Batman to my Boy Wonder.

You have made a powerful enemy this day, Optimus. A powerful enemy...in tights.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 5:17 PM

*squees* Ohmygosh, I got a mortal enemy!

So... Now that the proverbial glove has been slapped across the proverbial cheek, what do we do. Do we fight? I feel like that's jumping the gun a bit. Do you steal a rare diamond or declare yourself ruler of the war? Do you kick my dog? Regardless, by Rambo is my witness I will take you down.

Also, Jake, nice pick with the Green Monkey. Boy wonder. *wink*

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 5:24 PM

PETE AND PETE!!!

Posted by: guiltypartner at March 1, 2009 5:29 PM

Let's not forget the much due love for Artie, The Strongest Man In The World!

Damn the Nick executive that let that show end.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 5:34 PM

"Hey Sandy" also remains one of the greatest theme songs to a show ever.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 5:43 PM

Totally. Rewatching the theme song I had a revelation. Pete & Pete is the reason why I have no beef with gingers. They should use that show as a PSA or something.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 5:48 PM

That intro was most awesome, I fondly remember the episode where the pay phone kept ringing. OH! and the one about the solstice (or was it equinox?)they were supposed to eat tapioca?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 5:51 PM

Oh god, not that Barbados. Lord help me if they make a sequel to 27 Dresses. Fortunately, Dustin taught me a nice trick with his Daddy Day Camp review, pay for a movie you want to see money go to, and sneak into the movie you have to see. That way, the reviewer never has to live with having there money going to Uwe Boll, Hanna Montana/Jonai, Aaron Seltzer, Jason Friedberg, The New David Zucker, or Katherine "Skank Cancer is nowhere near a harsh enough term for you" Heigl.

But with that kind of training, I get the feeling that you enjoy making people suffer. Please no, I don't know if I have the strength.... How could you do that to me?

Posted by: George at March 1, 2009 5:56 PM

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Posted by: lolalove at March 1, 2009 6:17 PM

@Lolalove

But what if I want a short, homely chick?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 6:22 PM

Hmmm what if want a medium sized gal with a gigantic butt?

What can you do for me lola?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 6:24 PM

But what if I want a short, homely chick?

You're barking up the wrong tree, Boy Wonder.

BSlim LOVE the pay phone episode. But one of my favs: The King of The Road.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 6:30 PM

'twas merely a hypothetical. You know you're my Queen o frod.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 6:33 PM

You rock like Olmec, Jake.

Another quality Pete^2 episode: Pete's in a little league team and totally kick's ass by foul-mouthing and trash talking and then there's an atomic-like freeze incident. It was beautiful.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 6:40 PM

Spambots like lolalove have been scaring me. What if one day, someone trying to scam people off the internet builds a self aware spambot that goes insane, hunts down people on the internet, and feasts on their flesh?

Back away, lolalove, I'm onto you.

Posted by: George at March 1, 2009 6:50 PM

Oh oh the one where they are looking for the ice-cream guy.

About seven years ago Nick ran a Saturday line-up that started with Real Monsters, then Zim, followed by Eerie Indiana and caped off with Pete & Pete.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 6:50 PM

Barbado-

Eerie, Indiana doesn't hold up as well as Pete and Pete does. I bought the series for my dad last year--we were both huge fans when it originally aired. It's awkward to watch now. It's skin-tinglingly dated.


Kayanne-

Have you seen the Olmec: Sex Therapist video? I'll say this right now, I know that it's not at on Mt. Kilimanjaro.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 6:56 PM

AAAHHH! Real Monsters! was fantastic and gross. Invader Zim was mesmerizing in it's twistedness. Eerie, Indiana I can't quite recall for some reason... Maybe "Are you afraid of the dark?" replaced it in my memory. And you know my love for Pete & Pete.

Sometimes I like to think Adult Swim is the biproduct of enough kids getting pissed off that all the great shows on Nick were cut down in their prime.

Another great P&P episode was when older Pete tried to get the barber to talk.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 7:00 PM

I've never liked any of the Star War films. For the longest time, I couldn't figure out why...then it hit me. There was one minority character, and he ends up screwing his friends. Apparently in a galaxy far, far away, its whiter than the "Friends" set. The entire opening scene of episode IV is basically a homage to "Birth of a Nation". The big bad imperial cruiser (of course a philatelic symbol of a penis) is bearing down on the small, almost virginal space craft of the lily white and innocent Princess. Oh who could be responsible for this unholy and ultimately an allegory for rape? Why a big, mouth breathing black man. He couldn't have tried to come up with a more hateful representation of a black man if he tried. Oh sure, Lucas tried to cover his ass by revealing a white man's scared up face two movies later but come on...he used James Earl Jones, the most recognizable black voice he could find. He was indoctrinating the movie going public to fear black people. And even sicker, he made a film targeting children. I think that, rather than the "Good Negro" character that Jar-Jar obviously was inspired by, leads to most of my disdain for the entire set of flicks. And of course the trade federation is made up of rich Chinese business men, R2D2 is a stereotype drunk Irish man, C3PO is supposed to be a "Will and Grace" style homosexual...and every one has to be saved by white people over and over again. Its cultural imperialism people. Wake up!!!

Posted by: Diablo at March 1, 2009 7:02 PM

Eerie, Indiana starred Omri Katz.

Wait for it...wait for it...


Yeah. That kid.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 7:03 PM

"Eerie, Indiana doesn't hold up as well as Pete and Pete does...."

Aw, really? Although I don't doubt it. Originally it was a network production (NBC if not mistaken)and I think I remember that halfway through the run it went a change in tone that sorta ruined the "magic."

The less said about Fox's re-imagining of the concept a few years ago, the better.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 7:06 PM

@ Diablo

What's a Nubian?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 7:06 PM

Err...the Imperial Cruiser is a sign of stamp collecting?

Posted by: meaux at March 1, 2009 7:07 PM

Ha! Olmec: Sex Therapist. Did you end up just reading it in a book?

True story, last Halloween party I went to there was a guy dressed as Kirk Fogg, one of the participants from legends of the Hidden Temple and Quailman. Had they not all been underclassmen I would have flirted even more shamelessly than I was.

This makes me want to dress as Carmen Sandiego for next Halloween.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 7:15 PM

...Yeah. I read it in a book. Trial and error wasn't really working.

When you're Carmen, I'll be at the stop after Zimbabwe and before Czech (and Slovakia).

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 7:21 PM

Aunt Beru gives me a woody. (young Aunt beru, not granny Aunt Beru)

Posted by: bucslim at March 1, 2009 7:28 PM

Thank God, because I really wanna make it difficult for those Geography Prodigy kids to find us.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 7:29 PM

@JakesAlterEgo

Shut the fuck up! Now... Vader, he's a spiritual brother, y'know, down with the force and all that good shit. Then this cracker, Skywalker, gets his hands on a light saber and the boy decides he's gonna run the fuckin' universe; gets a whole clan of whites together. And they go and bust up Vader's hood, the Death Star. Now what the fuck do you call that?

Posted by: Diablo at March 1, 2009 7:29 PM

Galactic Civil War?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 7:34 PM

Gentrification! They gon' drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote, unquote, safe for white folks. And Jedi's the most insulting installment! Because Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty, old white man! They tryin' to tell us that deep inside we all wants to be white!

Posted by: Diablo at March 1, 2009 7:37 PM

Well, isn't that true?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 7:39 PM

BLACK RAGE!!! BLACK RAGE!!! I'LL KILL ANY OF YOU WHITE FOLKS I LAY MY MOTHERFUCKING EYES ON!!!

Posted by: Diablo at March 1, 2009 7:42 PM

OT: Funny thing though, if you look at the political landscape as presented in Star Wars, I'd go with the Separatists 100%. I mean, fuck, the Senate being run by a bunch of corrupt motherfuckers, a Jedi Order that was basically a Praetorian guard with a different name(being complete douchebags about it too).

/Vote Palpatine

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 7:44 PM

*Bows*

Requests?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 7:44 PM

Why does every thread that meanders turn into a race war?

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 7:51 PM

Diablo, have you ever seen the movie Chasing Amy? Remember the black guy from Chasing Amy?

Posted by: George at March 1, 2009 8:17 PM

Don't worry Kayanne, I just got that budding race war buy the balls.

Posted by: George at March 1, 2009 8:20 PM

...really, George? Really?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 8:22 PM

@ Barbado

I've actually gotten more and more pissed off as I dabble in the Extended Universe because of that reason. The Jedi are religious terrorists. Time and time again, they topple governments they don't like. Sure, some of them were stand up guys, but on the whole, they meddled like a motherfucker.

Don't even get me started on the Mary Sue nature of Sith Lords and Jedi in the books. Every single one of these fuckers becomes the most powerful to have ever lived, until he's killed off by the next dude who's the most powerful. And their powers get ridiculous. Some guy can crash a Star Destroyer with his force power, but Mace Windu couldn't slow his fall out of the window? Why not just drop a planet on Chewbacca while you're at it? O wait, they do.

Fuck the Expanded Universe.

/faints with fanboy glee in Wedge Antilles' presence

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 8:33 PM

@George

No...I don't watch that honkie shit...

Posted by: DIablo at March 1, 2009 8:34 PM

Fuck the Expanded Universe.

/faints with fanboy glee in Wedge Antilles' presence

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 8:33 PM

----------------------------------------------

Don't even get me started on the Legacy of the Force series (Jacen Solo as Darth Caedus :eyeroll:) I can't even begin wrap my mind at how those assclowns fucked that shit up.
Although I have found there are some good stories happening in the Medstar/Coruscant Nights series as well as the Republic Commando series. And guess what? They hardly even deal wit Jedi/Sith/Force bullshit.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 1, 2009 8:47 PM

Congrats to George for keeping his cool under the crushing, massive weight of smug superiority via JakesAlterEgo, Kayanne and Che Grovera. Yes, too bad George can't read and write like we all did at 16, devouring classic Russian literature by day and writing for the New Yorker and McSweeney's by night.

JakesAlterEgo. You're trying to find a girlfriend on a movie review site. Really, man? Really?

Kayanne. For the hot sister of a friend, you sure do spend a good portion of your weekend here. And you live at home. Something tells me you're not as hot as you claim. The Force, perhaps? Or common sense.

Che. God I hope your name is ironic and you don't actually believe in socialism, communism, or other dead ideologies. On the one hand, you do sound like a 35-year-old barista still trying to bang English majors in the college town in which you live.

Hey, what were all of you doing at 16? Getting published on a (somewhat) popular and respected website? No?

Shut the fuck up, then.

Posted by: Hot Coruscant Nights at March 1, 2009 9:03 PM

Oh, George *pats your head*

Your nobility is sweet, but even I haven't seen Chasing Amy. Did you ever see that episode of Mission Hill where Andy and Kevin get crushes on Tina?

No reason, just curious.

BSlim & Jake your simultaneous geekgasm is fascinating. Please continue.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 9:04 PM

You mistake dedication to proofreading for smug superiority. Forgive me for thinking that Ian McDiarmid's efforts in the Star Wars films should at least earn him the honor of having his name spelled correctly.

As for a girlfriend, fuck it man, I leave no stone unturned.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 9:11 PM

Hot Coruscant Nights, I meant it at a literary device. Also, I've mentioned it before, but I graduated early from college less than a month ago. During a recession. I'm currently looking for full-time employment, but as it stands I'm part-time.

My hometown has zero going on. It's awful. There are no bars within a 30 minute distance. No cabs. And the only social outlet is overrun by teenie boppers screeching for the Jonas Brothers movie. All of the kids that I was friends with in high school are still in their respective colleges or graduated a few years ago and are far away from this tumbleweed town. The people I knew in high school but were merely acquaintances with are... well married off and/or have babies. Boring. I shouldn't give you the time of day but the job search thing is a gaping wound for me. Fucker. Also, this weekend I'm holed up in the house because of a winter storm.

Trust me, if I could be anywhere else but here right now, I would. No offense to Pajiba folks.

Did I piss in your cornflakes? Was I not nice enough to you when you were booking an appointment? Did the phone sex line your a regular on cheap you out of your coupon from the penny-saver?

Seriously, sir or madam, let it go. Now that that's out of the we can be friends right?

And I'm trying to be nice to George! He's an ok kid by my book. Heaven forbid I try and teach him about constructive criticism. Che's an awesome guy who's fun to have around. And daggumit leave Jake alone. Nobody's looking for a lifetime love, we're just looking for a laugh. And some hot Olmec rock hard action.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 9:22 PM

quote, unquote, safe for white folks

Posted by: Diablo at March 1, 2009 7:37 PM

What, your "quotation mark" key was "broken"?...

Posted by: Che Grovera at March 1, 2009 9:36 PM

We were...we were acting out Chasing Amy. I don't necessarily follow Diablo's Star Warsian politics, but I will back him up there.

Yes, he saw Chasing Amy because we quoted it back and forth.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 9:39 PM

Che. God I hope your name is ironic and you don't actually believe in socialism, communism, or other dead ideologies. On the one hand, you do sound like a 35-year-old barista still trying to bang English majors in the college town in which you live.

Posted by: Hot Coruscant Nights at March 1, 2009 9:03 PM

Irony is as dead as the God you invoke and the system of the bourgeois oppressors.

Are you a hot English major? Wanna screw?

Posted by: Che Grovera at March 1, 2009 9:43 PM

Ah. Got it. Maybe I should see it. But I have a thing against Ben Affleck. I don't know what it is.. He's just so smug.

Also, we're allowed to flirt if we damn well please. Thus it has been written; thus it shall be so.

Che I think his "brain" is "broken." His initial rant confuddled me. Any way, if Star Wars is like the Civil War, who's Abe Lincoln? And is Han Solo General Lee?

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 9:48 PM

Yeah, I need a white man telling me what films I have seen. I watch positive, black centric films that show our proud culture. Film like Dolemite, Sweet Sweetback's Baadassss Song, Superfly, and the likes. Of course White Amerikkka has taken over our culture and gives us Wanye Brady and Tyler Perry. I got every reason in the world to be pissed at white people.

Posted by: Diablo at March 1, 2009 9:49 PM

Hot Coruscant, in what universe is attacking young George a no no? Certainly not in the pajibaverse, if we are willing to attack the proprietor of this website that homo Rowles, what makes you think young George is off limits? As I said last night, we aren't trying to nurture a motherfucker around here, we trying to break a motherfucker's spirit. I am so goddamn tired of people coming on here and trying to change our mission.

Posted by: Pookie at March 1, 2009 9:50 PM

Whoa. Hold on Diablo. I enjoyed acting out Chasing Amy with you but I will be DAMNED if I let you blame my people for Tyler Perry.

Fuck that shit. He's on you.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 9:56 PM

We had Spike Lee but then the CIA started drugging him. Terry Perry is allow to live cause he's "safe" and non threatening. Look what whites did to rap. We went from "Cop Killa" to "Law and Order: Racial Sellout Division".

Posted by: Diablo at March 1, 2009 10:00 PM

I'm confused I thought we were attacking Hot Coruscant for attacking Che, Kayanne, and Jake? If that is indeed the case why then is everyone attacking Diablo X?

Posted by: Pookie at March 1, 2009 10:05 PM

Yeah, but he also played a badass kangaroo in Tank Girl. That's something, ain't it?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 10:05 PM

I'm not attacking, Diablo, merely having an informed debate.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 10:13 PM

Cause I am opening eyes Pookie. No one wants to see the truth. As said by our current Attorney General, "we are a nation of cowards" when it comes to race relations. Look at "Public Enemy" one of the loudest and most eloquent voices in the east coast rap scene. How do you neutralize the threat? You don't ban or silence them...that would only give their message more power. You turn Flavor Flav into a sick joke. This in turn goes to soil the entire message of the group. Clowns like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are paraded out every time there is a chance for real dialogue as if they are the emperors of Black America.

Posted by: Diablo at March 1, 2009 10:16 PM

yeah, real friggin badass, in that lame dance number. and nobody get all defensive because it was some "religion".

Posted by: guiltypartner at March 1, 2009 10:17 PM

Even I know that Jesse Jackson is not the king of Black people.

South Park: teaching America's youth since their parents stopped giving a shit.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 10:19 PM

Diablo,

It takes a lot of energy to do what you do, I know because I've done it before. At the end of the day you must judge each person individually. If you want to have a serious dialogue with someone, the first words out of your mouth can't be "whitey" or "honkie" nor can you say that movies such as "Dolemite" and "Superfly" somehow made you proud of your culture. America is many things, to an immigrant she is a symbol of hope, but she certainly isn't "Amerikka," only a fool would make such an outrageous statement.

Posted by: Pookie at March 1, 2009 10:33 PM

Someone please give Diablo a fucking horse tranquilizer, or whatever drugs they gave Ice Cube to get him to agree to make Are We There Yet?.

I feel for you Kayanne. My home, Los Alamos, has a few thousand people in it at most, and even worse, it's an hour to the nearest town that has anything worth going to.

I appreciate that men out there like Pookie know how to properly bring up teenagers, by shattering there spirit. It's too late, my spirit was already crushed after middle school. After that shit, there is nothing you can do to me, unless you send me back to middle school, or force me to undergo BarbadoSlim's training.

Posted by: George at March 1, 2009 10:37 PM

Pooks, I really appreciate it when you play the "Stand Up Gent" card. Seriously, much respect. I think the reason people are chatting with Diablo instead of H.C.N. is because we pretty much closed that file after Jake spoke with him and I cried like a whiny bitch.

Thanks for understanding, George, you really are a good kid. But please, don't mention middle school. I like those memories repressed.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 10:45 PM

Pookie- sorry for any offense. I thought it was fairly obvious I was joking mainly by the references to those films. Also, you missed a k in chastising me for my comments. You may love America. Good on ya. I do too. Enough I let them ship me to the middle east a bunch of times. If I came off sounding like a fool...that was the point. See this is why Star Wars suck. Everyone gets distracted and aggressive. This shit don't happen about "Twilight". Now there is a proud Nubian film!

Posted by: Diablo at March 1, 2009 10:48 PM

I was 99% sure you were kidding, but I didn't want to say anything because I was also 1% sure you'd murder me.

I would bet a lot of money that not a single Nubian saw "Twilight".

*high five* Racial stereotyping? Anyone? No?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 10:52 PM

This shit don't happen about "Twilight". Now there is a proud Nubian film!

Oh God, sarcasm or not, please take that movie off of our hands.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 10:52 PM

As a sophomore in college who saw a Star Wars movie a night back when I was 6 and instantly fell in love, and then saw Phantom Menace 3 times when it came out when I was in 4th grade, I get this completely. I just loved that movie. Looking back now, I can see its flaws, but they didn't matter then. It was just fun. At age 10, you don't need more than that.

Posted by: claire at February 28, 2009 5:58 PM

I get that. I do. But this argument is kind of like saying I should read a review of Twilight that's been written by a 14-year-old girl, because she's the target audience. No, thanks.

That said, George, you do seem smarter than a lot of 16-year-olds, and a decent writer. I'm not trying to put you down with this post at all, but as someone who has taught English for a living, just because I want to encourage young writers doesn't mean I want to read them on the websites I visit when I want to read good reviews (from adult viewpoints). You're doing great, but you've got a way to go.

Posted by: Pistachio at March 1, 2009 10:52 PM

George most of the things I say, I say in jest. You have an amazing talent, and I hope you hone it and use it. You are light years ahead of me when I was sixteen, to be sure I'm somewhat envious of you. If you are any indication of our youth, well then we are in great hands. When I was sixteen I certainly could not write at the skill level that you possess, hell when I was sixteen the only thing I was doing was hanging out with my friends playing video games, going to the beach and fuckin'


Sorry Kayanne, you sung my praise a tad to soon.

Posted by: Pookie at March 1, 2009 10:54 PM

Well Pistachio, it was either this, or we could do bucdaddy's open thread about sex toys, how many do you own, and what kind.

Which will probably be next weeks open thread.

Posted by: George at March 1, 2009 11:00 PM

Pooks for Pajiba Patriarch '09!

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 11:02 PM

I own a plunger and a vacuum cleaner. Do those count?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 1, 2009 11:04 PM

George that's what every thread diverts to. It's either race, sex or nerdgasms.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 11:04 PM

I own a plunger and a vacuum cleaner. Do those count?

Jake, your manner of sex terrifies and intrigues me. They should do a Discovery Health piece on you.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 1, 2009 11:13 PM

Damn. I walk away for a few hours and this whole thread changes course.
Who was talking about the extended Universe? I read just about every Star Wars book in every nearby library when I was younger. Timothy Zahn was a demi-God to me. Who read "I, Jedi"? That was a frickin' Classic.
And Kayanne, I'd like to be more of a classic Vaudeville villain if you don't mind. I'll be dressing in black and twirling my mustache a lot more. Also, JakesAlterEgo may be tied to a railroad track.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at March 2, 2009 12:47 AM

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Posted by: evan at March 2, 2009 2:29 AM

Shit, I'm really late to the party.

I caught this movie on TV 2 weeks ago and there was one thing that really stuck out to make it bad.

Lucas' editing had a habit of showing the speaking character off-screen while the other characters were listening on-screen. Case in point - the scene where they're planning the battle towards the end.

While Qui-Gon's speaking, Padme and the kid just stand there, motionless. The speaking character off-screen while the others listen works in the film, as long as there is reactions or something to draw the viewer in. Not so much here. I found it annoying and another example of poor work.

I agree with the idea that this film would be better in another's hands. And that's the greatest tragedy of this whole experience. There are a lot of people, in and out of show business, who love Star Wars and would give their left tit for the opportunity to work on it. Then again, it's been nearly 4 years since Revenge of the Sith, so what's the point of bitching about it?

Has anyone else heard of the "Phantom Edit" version of this film? It was a fan edit of it, removing many of Jar Jar's scenes, any mention of Midichlorians, and some of young Anakin's crap (like the "Yippies!"). I would be interested in seeing it.

Posted by: Jim at March 2, 2009 4:27 AM

A lot of people wonder why I wrote this, but the truth is not just that I wanted to express my opinion, but it was the fact that no one reviewed this yet, and I really wanted to write something for this site. I can't exactly have first pick, truth be told, I actually would gain some sort of masochistic joy out of writing how terrible films are for a living.

Even if I had to sit through Little Man, Epic Movie, or The Heartbreak Kid again, the release would be so powerful, that the suffering would be somewhat worth it. But most of the more current terrible films are taken, so I have no choice except this. Which I am incapable of being really scathing about due to my love for Star Wars and my original childhood love.

That's why I want to review Dragonball. When I was a 10 year old, Dragonball Z was the shit, and to see it sent to the big screen in such a greedy, lazy, repulsive manner, not only could it be the worst film of the year (maybe even the worst film ever), but as a geek about the subject, I could hate fuck the shit out of it.

But it should be reviewed by the writers for this site, that way it can qualify for The Golden Pajibas of 2009. It may even strike such a bad chord with Dustin Rowles, Phillip Stephens, Kimberly "Agent Bedhead", or whoever else is unfortunate enough to review that atrocity, that it takes the number 1 spot for The Golden Pajibas.

I really don't have the kind of power to do that if I were to be the one to review it, so that's why I'll be content with posting angrily on how it's the worst movie ever made. I'm limited by what hasn't been reviewed, so I can't be current if I ever write anything here, but I want the hate fucking to be done by professionals, so I won't complain.

You do what you can with what you have, and I'll work with that.

Posted by: George at March 2, 2009 5:08 AM

Oh Jim, I read about those "Phantom Edits", there was an original version, but many more were made later on. I don't know if anyone found out who made the original, but I think he stopped making them.

You can probably still find them on Ebay or something, or better yet, we can all make our own "Phantom Edits". Thanks to modern technology, editing is easier than ever. Hell, by 2030, we'll probably be able to generate our own CGI for whatever films we want.

I wonder if George Lucas would have benefited from an early death? I'm going to hell for that one.

Posted by: George at March 2, 2009 5:21 AM

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Posted by: evan at March 2, 2009 2:29 AM

Rowles can't possibly be unhappy with the outcome of his foray into teen publishing -- George's little screed netted almost 200 comments, a goodly fraction of which were actually on-topic.

The arrival of the spambots may signal the end of this thread...but damn, they're getting freaky!

Posted by: Che Grovera at March 2, 2009 7:54 AM

Rhyme, capital! I'll be bounding off riding backwards on my horse to save my darling, Jake, just as soon as I straighten out my mounty's uniform. Dudley Doright, any one?

Che my problem with the spambot was his/her introduction as "Sylia," but the handle read "evan." I just want honesty from my tawdry spambot tarts. I wanna know the real person "under the name Sxynetlia.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 2, 2009 10:05 AM

The big bad imperial cruiser (of course a philatelic symbol of a penis)

Posted by: Diablo at March 1, 2009 7:02 PM

Err...the Imperial Cruiser is a sign of stamp collecting?

Posted by: meaux at March 1, 2009 7:07 PM

Don't you remember the penis stamp, meaux? Sadly, the Postal Service had to discontinue it -- placement was a problem since it got bigger when you licked it, not to mention the issue of then working it into the slot...the drop boxes were just a mess!

Posted by: Che Grovera at March 2, 2009 10:53 AM

One of the things people forget is that Lucas had to actually work with other people to do the first three films. At the time he was unproven; American Graffiti had been good, but it was in an entirely different genre and the everyone in the business was aware that, without Coppola's timely intervention, it might have been a train-wreck. So for the first three films, particularly A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas had to not only rely on others for the technical skills he had not yet mastered, but also had please the studio and the script and casting experts they assigned to help make the film. He was just one voice among many, and until Return, not even the most important really.

With the prequels, he got to do whatever he wanted, however he wanted to do it. He directed, he wrote, he produced, and he cast. His word was the final word on ever aspect of the films. This, in my mind, is why they were sub-par in so many ways. Mr. Lucas is good at coming up with interesting ideas, but he's terrible at both developing those ideas and realizing them on film.

Posted by: Julian at March 2, 2009 11:26 AM

Am I the only one here that thinks the prequels got worse as they went along? Episode 1 was a masterpiece compared to Episode II and III. Just utter complete shit, the both of them.

My kids will not ever be allowed to see the prequels.

Posted by: Matt at March 2, 2009 11:27 AM

Just consider Star Wars KOTOR and how video game developers using Lucas source material made a far and away more entertaining story than any of the prequels. That says enough about Phantom Menace for me.

Posted by: branded at March 2, 2009 12:56 PM

L.O.V.E.

I see your snowballing and raise you an "eating out." Yeah...we gay guys can do it too...

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at March 2, 2009 1:26 PM

Bwahaha! For the benefit of the menfolk, Che, I will refrain from making a joke about perforations.

Posted by: meaux at March 2, 2009 5:16 PM

Well Pistachio, it was either this, or we could do bucdaddy's open thread about sex toys, how many do you own, and what kind.

You say that like it's a bad thing....?

I'm teasing you, but in seriousness I do have one piece of advice if you want to keep writing. What really gives you away as being very juvenile is not your writing--which better than most 16-year-olds'--it's the fact that you've felt the need to pop up and defend yourself multiple times on this comment board. You can't do that and expect to be taken seriously. Even in something as simple as a college creative writing course: when I was getting my degree, we'd turn in our pieces a few days before class, then come in and have the other workshop members rip it to pieces--and we weren't allowed to say anything. If we were, the whole class would have been, "But I just meant..." or "What I was trying to say..." It's annoying, and it means the writing hasn't spoken for itself. We know what you're trying to say and why you wrote what you did. You've had your turn, now it's our turn.

Everyone, of course, feels the need to defend his work, but if you want to go anywhere as a writer, hold back on that urge. You wanted to publish this; now deal with the aftermath. We all dream of writing something that makes everyone sit back and go, "My god! He's really opened my eyes!", but the truth is, that rarely happens. You've taken the first step by putting yourself out there, which is more than I could do at sixteen. If you keep going, you'll write some decent stuff, and you'll write some crap, and people will tell you what's decent and what's crap, and you'll just have to sit and listen, and absorb, and over time the decent stuff will completely take over and there will be no more crap.

...Sorry, the ex-teacher in me just came roaring out.

Posted by: Pistachio at March 2, 2009 7:28 PM

Pink, I will allow the gay use of "eating out" since it is similar to tossing salad.

However, please advise your people that they cannot co-opt creampies, clambakes, riding the crimson tide or flicking the bean. Those terms are non-negotiable.

Also, we want "on the downlow" / "on the DL" back

I think this is going rather smoothly.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at March 2, 2009 8:25 PM

George, this was posted a while back and you may never read this far down in the comments, but in case you do, here's what I have to say: screw all these naysayers. What you wrote may not have been perfect, but it was good enough to be posted on Pajiba and you got people talking. You are sixteen. When I was sixteen, I was focused on experimenting with alcohol and drugs, writing retarded poems about a dumb-as-rocks boy, being a catty/gossipy bitch, shopping, and fucking cheerleading. In short: I was wasting my time. Don't get me wrong, it was fun, but it most certainly did not help me prepare for college or help me set my sights on what I wanted to do with my life.

You're light years beyond where most of us were at sixteen. You are clearly passionate about film, enlightened enough to know what truly interests you, and intelligent. You also have a sense of humor and have taken the above criticism relatively well. Finally, you are already, at sixteen, a decent writer who seems to have the drive to get even better. Of course you have room for improvement, but you aren't off to a bad start. I hope you take these comments as constructive criticism and don't let them weigh you down. Use them as motivation.

You can also use this as a lesson in how to conduct yourself down the road. You're going to get older and you're going to accomplish things. Try not to become the type of petty, arrogant bastard that tries to cut some bright young kid down to size to promote his own sense of superiority.

[And really, don't you know that most of swipes taken at you stem from jealousy that a young kid had the privilege of reviewing a Star Wars flick (even if it was a prequel?).]

Oh, one criticism that I found spot-on: don't swear so much. Nobody on this site is a good role model for that (myself included), but you can say a lot more, and say it more effectively, if you steer clear of words of the four-letter variety. It's not necessarily cool or adult to swear, and a lot of educated, interesting people don't rely on it as much as the folks on this site. To me, swearing is a crutch for making language colorful without much effort or creativity.

Posted by: tt_marie at March 24, 2009 5:06 PM


















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