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Spider-Man 3 / Daniel Carlson

Film Reviews | May 4, 2007 | Comments (79)


Spider-Man 2 was, among many other things, a fantastic sequel. After dutifully plodding through the origin story in the first film, director Sam Raimi came through on the dramatic promises of the series by actually forwarding the plot and embroidering the characters’ relationships with complexities (or at any rate, what passes for complexities in comic book movies) and raising the stakes. Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire) revealed his secret superhero identity to true love Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst); he confessed his complicity in his uncle’s murder to Aunt May (Rosemary Harris); and his best friend, Harry Osborn (James Franco), turned to betrayal after learning how Spider-Man had killed his father. The film still had its cornball moments — this is Raimi, after all — but the clunkier lines were overshadowed by the breathless pacing and smart plotting, which made the film not just an extension of but an improvement on the original. So it’s with some trepidation and no small amount of regret that I write that Spider-Man 3, though still head and shoulders above other typical summer blockbusters, isn’t quite the powerhouse that its predecessor was. It’s as if Raimi, who scripted along with brother Ivan Raimi and Alvin Sargent, was so eager to top himself that he threw in too much of everything: There are three external villains here, not to mention Spidey’s very own existential crisis, and the script marches along like the Doctor Zhivago of superhero movies in its inevitable crawl to a suitably epic finish. To put it in geek terms: If Spider-Man 2 was this series’ The Empire Strikes Back, full of danger and failure and darkness and ending on a note of wonderful ambiguity, then Spider-Man 3 is Return of the Jedi, a competent, enjoyable, but ultimately unsatisfying conclusion to a story whose peaks have regrettably passed. The film plays up the internal conflicts of Peter Parker’s demanding life, but that darkness was more believable as the subtext in Spider-Man 2 instead of the blunt, more obvious story of Spider-Man 3. The film is big, but often ungainly; epic, but slightly tiresome; beautiful, but occasionally maddening.

The opening credits again play out against a succession of images that recap the story so far, but instead of Alex Ross’ gorgeous artwork, the scenes are actual clips from the first two films. Peter lays out the story in some helpful expositional voice-over narration: He’s in love with Mary Jane, making straight A’s at the university, and embraced by the city of New York as a savior. As melodramatic pop art goes, the Spider-Man series is like “Heroes” to the thousandth degree: Everything here is super big, super good, or super bad. The film is as pleasantly bland as Peter’s life until Harry, using his dead dad’s flying glider and personal armory, swoops down and takes Peter on a brutal aerial battle through the city’s alleyways. (Harry is apparently going under the moniker of New Goblin, but since he never out and out announces this to Peter [which is both surprising and disappointing], I’m just going to stick with calling him Harry.) The special effects here manage to top the previous film, and completely obliterate whatever temporary standard was set by the first entry in the series, as Sony’s graphic artists seamlessly blend the real and digitally created characters and backdrops. It’s also a breathtaking sequence for the sound design and mixing: The bone-crunching thud of men getting slammed into buildings gets a wince every time, and the film is fantastic at its use of silence, dropping the music and ambient noise to focus on a single punch, or gasp, or explosion. The battle also makes grand use of the city sky at night, as Peter and Harry gleefully defy the laws of physics to pirouette around each other, not just flying through the air but practically floating. The action here is rousing and engaging, one of the film’s true triumphs.

The plot starts to get a little bumpy soon enough: Peter wins that battle but winds up sending Harry to the hospital, where he’s diagnosed with amnesia. So that puts Villain #1 on the back burner in time for the appearance of Villain #2, the Sandman, nee Flint Marko (Thomas Haden Church). Marko, an escaped convict, was running from police when he fell into an open gravel pit at a nuclear testing facility — since all nuclear testing in comic book movies takes place in the middle of giant fields — and has his molecules converted into sand fragments. He’s blasted into a tiny powder, but somehow his consciousness remains intact and stable so that he’s able to pull himself together again, literally, by reforming in his former image only this time made from stones. The police, in a nifty bit of retconning, inform Peter that Marko was actually the one who killed Uncle Ben back in the first movie. Peter is visibly shaken at the news, and downright pissed, and it’s one of the character’s few genuine displays of negative emotion that can be chalked up to his own personality and not, say, the impact on his psyche of being symbiotically linked to an evil black goo from outer space (which is coming up soon). Peter only got into the crimefighting business to work off the emotional guilt he earned when he realized he was partially responsible for his uncle’s murder, and to find out the real killer is still at large is a huge blow to the character. Raimi had such an opportunity here to explore Peter’s guilt and rage, and how Marko’s sudden reappearance acted as a legitimate externalization of Peter’s split personality hang-ups. That could have been the whole story, and it would have been a good one.

But Raimi piles on Villain #3, the aforementioned space goo, Venom, which crashes in a meteorite in the park and attaches itself to Peter’s bike and later, when he’s in his suit, bonds with him, giving his costume the black look you’ve been seeing in ads for the film for the past six months. While Sandman is the villain meant to let Spider-Man work through the guilt of his uncle’s death all over again, the black slime is the physical representation of Peter’s hidden prejudice that the criminals he’s fighting are genuinely bad human beings and more deserving of vengeance than justice. This is not an ignoble goal, but Raimi could have more than adequately explored that topic via Spider-Man’s conflict with Sandman. Venom eventually spreads to Eddie Brock (Topher Grace), a young photographer angling to take Peter’s spot at the Daily Bugle. Grace glides through the part, but he’s not given enough screen time to even be a two-dimensional bad guy. This is where the film begins to feel like an effort by the studio to capture even more fans and money and not the product of a filmmaker’s desire to tell a story. Raimi has said that the inclusion of Venom was the suggestion of producer Avi Arad, and it shows. It’s just too broad.

But worse than the overcrowded villain slate is the horrible, laughable, cringe-inducing way Maguire is forced to act when under the spell of his dark side. Catching his reflection in a mirror, he musses up his hair and scoops his bangs down into his eyes, as if he’s 12 and thinks this makes him look tough. At one point Peter struts down the street in a scene queasily reminiscent of Saturday Night Fever, popping his collar and eyeing girls who thankfully have enough sense to ignore him. There’s a scene at a jazz club where Mary Jane sings that’s too terrifying and bizarre to describe, except to say that Raimi must’ve temporarily confused Spider-Man with The Mask. Whatever dramatic integrity the series had earned with the second film is completely squandered in sequences like these, and they in turn become the film’s own dark side, the scars it wears that mar the beauty underneath.

Good grief, there’s even more, but really, it’s all the same. Maguire is affable and goofy, and even gets a chance to hint at the dramatic depths that a more streamlined screenplay could have offered. Running at nearly 140 minutes, the story feels too much to be the awkwardly combined efforts of the Raimi brothers, who are more comfortable with camp like Army of Darkness, and Sargent, who helped adapt Unfaithful and also wrote Spider-Man 2. (Of course, Spider-Man 2 also benefited from the input of Alfred Gough, Miles Millar, and Michael Chabon, so perhaps it was destined to be the strongest of the series.) Dunst hits all the right notes as the cute damsel in distress, but spends as much time screaming for help as she does actually acting. As Brock, Grace is smug and quick, the kind of watchable jerk that he seems to play so well. In a film filled with unintentional humor, Grace’s sense of comedy is the only real thing.

Spider-Man 3 isn’t a bad film, but it’s certainly short of what the second film promised. If this film had come first, the lowered bar might not have mattered as much, but for Raimi to reach the heights he did last time only to stumble so blatantly this time around is regrettable. Trimmed of its fat, Spider-Man 3 could have been the pop masterpiece whose coming was heralded three years ago. There are good moments here, when the story, action, and sheer grandiosity of it all come together to create something memorable. But those moments are far and few between. Maybe Spider-Man will come back again someday; it’d be a shame to see him go out like this.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Comments

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Posted by: Suck it at May 4, 2007 7:17 PM

"...then Spider-Man 3 is Return of the Jedi," Wow, I can't imagine any context in which that would be a good thing.

Now some other guy killed uncle Ben? That goes way beyond retconning, that's right into Greedo shooting first territory. What possible need could they have for this?

I'm very troubled by all I've been hearing and reading 'bout this flick.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 4, 2007 7:28 PM

Producers need to STOP making trilogies...it's just gotten ugly at this point. Like every other annoying movie trend, it got its start honestly and then everyone wanted a piece of the money pie.

Posted by: bebemiqui at May 4, 2007 7:35 PM

I agree with Mr. Carlson about trimming the fat off the plot. One too many villains. The symbiote costume/Venom storyline could have been a plot line in of itself. However I disagree about Peter's number at the dance club being the nail in the coffin for the Series though.

Spider Man 2 was a singular achievement and it would be nearly impossible for Mr. Raimi & Co. to create something that approached the depth of sentiment and wonder that film posesses.

On a tangent though the scene of Marko coming back to life was awe inspiring. One might dare to compare it to Adam rising from the earth. The scene was that powerful.

Posted by: Mr. West at May 4, 2007 7:37 PM

Well, I've got my tickets for IMAX in my hot little hands that I purchased on Teusday, so I'll be in line for this on Sunday morning.

Not the glowing review that "Waitress" got, but not a complete blast of it. I had heard rumors of the clunkiness and too much story since the premiers in Asia and such. Thanks for putting it in perspective, Dustin.

Can someone tell Raimi to get off his ass and make another Evil Dead film already?!

Posted by: Manny at May 4, 2007 7:38 PM

Ooops, I meant Dan....you guys should really put your pictures next to the reviews...

Posted by: Manny at May 4, 2007 7:39 PM

I found the cringe-inducing stuff more palatable myself, and thought there was more intentional humor present than Daniel did. And I'm not personally offended by weakening the raison d'etre to serve the new story, but I DID notice and wish they could've found a way around that. I also found the Sandman fights to be really satisfying, much more so than I expected. Beats the shit outta Spider-Man in a pretty convincing way! And it's true, they really could've run further with Marko and had a complete story.

I happened to hear "Under Pressure" after I left the theater and it seemed to resonate with it. I realized that 3 is about different things than 2, but since 2 was about duty, destiny and purpose, and so rousingly and touchingly so, 3 would suffere comparitively. A story about selfishness, vengefulness, amorality and their opposites doesn't hit the same verrklempt notes as what happened when he stopped the train and when Aunt May told him about the purpose of heroes. You know, it just doesn't, but you shouldn't make the same story again or you'd still piss people off.

In that sense I think it's impossible to top the emotional high of 2, but they tried to talk about something else that's very important and I can go with it. I don't care as much but I enjoyed it and liked what it had to say. I also found that I really liked how it ends with a whisper, very atypical for a movie of its kind. It was a nice human touch.

Posted by: Jay at May 4, 2007 7:42 PM

Thank you, thank you, thank you! This review is exactly right. I watched the midnight showing and was stoked to watch a movie that was better than SM2 (which I watched earlier in the day to further stoke myself up). While the movie was good, it was far from what I hoped for. The movie was all just too much, and never let anyone really develope. It was like everyone was just phoning it in, no one seemed to have any real motivation.

Still, it's not a bad movie. I honestly can't recomend not seeing it, just don't have your hopes up from the promise of the second one.

Great review guys, absolutely spot on.

Posted by: CarpePancakes! at May 4, 2007 7:49 PM

I agree about the truly strange and bizarre dance sequence. It just went on and on! Like it was meant to be a serious addition to the story and not just a throwaway development of emo-Peter's evil side. It was so awkward to watch. I kept feeling Kirsten Dunst on stage - she just kept looking at it with disgusted disbelief. Amen, sister.

I had little trouble with Venom (other than the fact that his inclusion seemed tacked on), but I had more trouble with emo-Peter Parker. It was just unnecessary, boring, and painful to watch.

The rest of the film was alright, though. ::shrugs::

Posted by: Ben at May 4, 2007 8:10 PM

I just got back from seeing it, and the review is exactly right.
There were just too many villains, and back-stories, and plot "twists" for the story to be truly compelling.
I'll admit that I laughed at the Saturday Night Fever sidewalk scene though.

(also, what's up with Tobey's double-chin? Couldn't they have filmed him from a different angle or something? It distracts from the whole superhero thing. There was one swing-around shot when he was sitting on his bed that was just incredibly unflattering...)

Posted by: occhiditigre at May 4, 2007 8:24 PM

I shall don my comic geek cap here and say the only thing that's really stuck in my craw is Flint Marko being the guy who killed Uncle Ben. It was retarded when it was the Joker in Batman, and it's not doing much more for me here.

That said, can't wait to see the movie. Because? Comics geek.

Posted by: Matt P. at May 4, 2007 8:24 PM

Matt P. said it for me: continuity. I haven't seen Spider-Man 3 yet...hopefully this weekend...but I read about the Marko character, and clearly it is not the same man. Lame. As Matt mentioned Joker in Batman, I will not further digress.

It's a shame. Spider-Man 2 was most excellent. I confess I winced when Dan compared this one to Return of the Jedi.

Posted by: bonnie at May 4, 2007 8:41 PM

This review is so dead-on. I bow to thee Carlson. This is Spider-Man: A Lifetime Original. Every time my eight year old said he had to go potty I said, "Thank God."

Well, I await now to be thoroughly disappointed by Shrek and then Pirates. Maybe I'll go rent Layer Cake. I heard that was a testicle twisting action flick.

Posted by: Me at May 4, 2007 8:42 PM

NOTHING GOOD LAST FOREVER

Posted by: pasadenamike at May 4, 2007 8:43 PM

Bah. I'm of the opinion that Spider-Man 2 is good but overrated. Maybe I'll enjoy this, but I fear I might like it even less than those that think Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are so great.

And this isn't the first site I've seen that took the opportunity of this release to bash the vastly underrated Return of the Jedi.

Posted by: Rob at May 4, 2007 9:12 PM

What a waste. They ended on a high note in number 2. Special effects are cool but it does not make as story. I've read quite a few bad and so-so reviews for this movie over the past three days and I must say that it's a damn shame. Why not put effort in the story first and then the special effects??

Posted by: Candy at May 4, 2007 9:15 PM

Must say, every time Topher Grace was on screen (hamming it up in the most lovable way possible... how I adore that man) I was overwhelmed with the feeling that HE was the one who really should have played Spiderman. Not that Tobey Maguire was bad, per say, but Maguire seemed to be completely devoid of chemistry with any of his costars... and as such, never showed enough likability in this film to get me to truly care for his character.

Grace however has the comedic timing to pull of Spiderman's wise-cracking ways, and yet still can manage to somehow win you over - when when he's being a jerk.

And a quick aside from the copy editor within: 1st paragraph, "full of danger and failure and darkness and ending on a NOTE of wonderful ambiguity." (Sorry. I'm done now. Promise.)

Posted by: Zoey at May 4, 2007 9:45 PM

I totally agree, Zoey. While Tobey was fine, he seemed too uptight to be Spidey. Part of his appeal is how he uses his wisecracks to both express himself in a way that he can't do as Parker and throw his foes off their game when they see how big of a clown he is. Raimi certainly attempted to put that humor in, but Tobey was obviously more comfortable with the more dramatic moments than the comedic ones. Topher spent the better part of a decade playing an geeky smartass pining for his red-headed neighbor.

Ah, well, c'est la vie (sp?). I mean, it could have been worse.

Posted by: Vermillion at May 4, 2007 10:38 PM


Thomas Hayden Church was excellent, as sandman, Bryce Dallas Howard, should have been cast as MJ,and this movie was mostly boring. James Franco, is the HOTNESS, though.

Posted by: norma desmond at May 4, 2007 10:40 PM

They should have made it so Parker loses the symbiote suit at the end of the film and set it up so Venom is the villain in the next one.

Posted by: Scott at May 4, 2007 11:24 PM

Time to get my geek on. I know Sam Raimi wasn't all-powerful in this flick, but he should have more strenuously resisted some "suggestions".

First: leave the opening untouched. The battle, the whole everything. Also leave Eddie Brock's storyline, minus the ending, untouched.

Show Marko being turned into Sandman. The meteor falls.

As Pete is watching over Harry, the cops bring him and Aunt May in--but not about Harry. The cops lie to them that Marko is the man who killed Uncle Ben. Why? Because now that he's a super, they can't handle him, and they know Pete's got some kind of inroad with Spider-Man.

The symbiote oozes from the crater and goes in search of a host.

So Pete is on the watch for any sign of Sandman. In his first fight, he gets his ass handed to him and is left unconscious...where the symbiote, attracted by his rage and hate during the fight, wriggles on to him. He limps home, and rests up. In the night, Venom takes over. Peter gets progressively more belligerent.

The next fight ends in more of a draw, as Spider-Man still doesn't know the new limits of his powers, and Sandman is still nigh-invulnerable.

Peter continues to be corrupted by Venom, and finalyl starts to notice that certain people don't like his new attitude.

The empowered and vicious Spider-Man is too much for Sandman, although Sandman's nature means he takes a lot of punishment. His tactics during the fight, necessary though they might have been to beat the villain, scare Pete, though. He considers removing the symbiote...and is struck by how hatefully it reacts to this suggestion. This settles it for him, resulting in an epic battle, as much psychological as physical, between the two, and when he gets it off, it tries to fight him--but without a host has no real strength. It vanishes, and Peter thinks he's won. Denoument, credits roll.

Then, about halfway through, we seen the seen with Brock in the church, where Venom joins with him, and the last shot is of his leap at the camera, famous from the trailer. The remaining credits unspool.

FIN.

Posted by: Shadowen at May 4, 2007 11:41 PM

This is truly disappointing. The reviews are all on the same wavelength for once; amazing FX, but the film suffers from Too Much Syndrome. I'm not surprised; most trilogies (and sequels for that matter) do the same thing.

What disappoints me the most (although it's not mentioned in this review) is that Venom isn't in the movie that much. I was looking forward to see Topher Grace act like a psychotic bastard for at least half of the film. They messed up adding three villians...then giving one of them amnesia. Just too much.

I hate to use this term, since it's becoming so cliched, but when I saw Evil Peter Parker in the trailer, I immediately thought "Wait, Spiderman's an Emo?"

Posted by: Brie at May 4, 2007 11:47 PM

"This is where the film begins to feel like an effort by the studio to capture even more fans and money and not the product of a filmmaker's desire to tell a story."

This line articulates exactly my problem with this movie. If it's true that there are more to come in this series, with the true Venom arc *yet* to come, then spidey3 is regrettably nothing more than money-making filler.

Posted by: pamu at May 5, 2007 12:17 AM

Oh yeah, forgot to say, excellent review as usual!

Posted by: pamu at May 5, 2007 12:18 AM

Well.I LIKED the movie! I LOVED the begining, especially the scene where Sandman rises from the pit. The scene is SO powerful, and you have sense of his character, which makes the movie instantly a draw.

The only problems I had were A) Lack of character screen time. I think that with this many character story lines, a longer movie was needed to establish each character's motives. Eddie brock desperately needed some scenes of him working with his powers and getting the hang of them. Also...please don't show your face Eddie. That's nto evil enough.

B) Random emo scenes. Really? gyuliner? Emo hair swoop? Was it necessary? Some subtle makeup and mussy hair would have been okay, but the intense emo look made it way too hard for me to take him seriously!

C) Flint being the shooter. Spider-man was fighting crime so that he could give back to the world what he did wrong. He was fighting all faceless crime, not someone specifically!

Overall, I thought it was pretty good, I just think a longer movie would have allowed this epic movie justice.

If they do a 4th movie they better take a good solid chuck of time to make the script JUST RIGHT, not just pretty good.

great review overall though! I agreed completely!

ps shadowen: pretty nice plot!

Posted by: Elena at May 5, 2007 12:18 AM

Dire, I think people are being to kind to it.

Same old summer blockbuster: boring, overlong, overcrowded, and cringe-worthy.

Posted by: Seth L at May 5, 2007 1:08 AM

Venom should have had his own movie, end of story.

I love Topher Grace, but even he can't drag me to the theatre for this junk. I've hated Tobey Maguire since S-M1, all through SM-2, and I was laughing at his acting in the trailers for this one. Enough is enough, I'm done with Tobey as an actor.

At this point I hope he really does walk from the franchise, so I can finally see a good actor play Spiderman, in what will be (hopefully) a really good movie, unlike the previous editions.

Posted by: AD at May 5, 2007 2:41 AM

Tsk, people. It's not emo-hair, it's Hitler-hair, to show he's evil now.

I actually loved it. People seem to alternatively ask too much or too little of superhero action movies. This entertained me for as much as it lasted, and even gave me fodder for a couple of sarcastic comments whispered to my partner in cinema-going.

Posted by: MJ at May 5, 2007 7:56 AM

The mask, exactly! That was literally what I was thinking during that whole scene. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but I do agree that Venom was too uninvolved, and they DEF could have explored "black" Peter Parker better than simply turning him into a goofy Stanley Ipkus. Apparently, when she's not playing unkempt blind women or sea nymphs, Bryce Dallas Howard can be pretty hot.

Posted by: eastshore4 at May 5, 2007 8:58 AM

SPOILER clealy labeled in comment body

"There are good moments here, when the story, action, and sheer grandiosity of it all come together to create something memorable

Can I have some of that crack you're smoking.
Bad photography, ropey special effects, an utter raping of any semblance of dramatic tension and believeable character interaction;
this was almost as bad as Fantastic 4.


SPOILER


They even ruined Harry's decision to help Peter by having some random deus ex convenience old dude make the decision for him rather than have any real character development take place

END SPOILER


This was dull, lazy, and showed less imagination than even X3.

It wasted excellent villains as badly as Batman and Robin. It even had, in one of its endings, a moment as cheesily incincere as the rainbow moment from Matrix Revolutions. If I saw just one more fromage tinted crowd reaction shot I was gonna puke.
In the words of Burt Reynolds - "It's Garbage"

This is the kind of film that makes me want to encourage movie piracy as a protest against dross like this infecting cinemas at a time of year where genuine spectacle and quality pop, classical Hollywood stroytelling should be entertaining us.

Frankly it was just shite.

Posted by: PyD at May 5, 2007 9:53 AM

While the evil Spiderman look might have been a fairly flattering one for old Tobey Maguire, I might have resented how much he looked like Jared Leto in a 30 Seconds to Mars video and how he would sweep his bangs aside to deliver a line. The film was enjoyable and at times, downright exciting and breath-taking, but God, it was a disappointment to me from various ridiculous moments, underuse of some seriously awesome actors and characters to a load of bullshit, cop-out endings and open-ended conclusions. SAM RAIMI!

Posted by: annie at May 5, 2007 12:50 PM

"This is the kind of film that makes me want to encourage movie piracy as a protest against dross like this infecting cinemas at a time of year where genuine spectacle and quality pop, classical Hollywood stroytelling should be entertaining us."


Oh, I'm way ahead of you, this will be a straight to laptop affair. I'm not wasting my money.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 5, 2007 2:20 PM

I wasn't sure if we were supposed to, but every time Tobey came onscreen with the whole swept bangs thing going, the theater erupted in laughter.

Posted by: Matt R at May 5, 2007 2:41 PM

am i the only one who never liked this series of movies? when i was a youth spider-man was IT for me, the only comic book series i ever read. i never forgave them for casting cider house rules boy where an ambivalent but ultimately virtuous hero should have been.

damn that was dorky.

Posted by: the-ian at May 5, 2007 8:03 PM

I saw this at the midnight show Friday morning. There was not an empty seat in the place. Movie ends, lights go up, hundreds of people left with underwhelmed expectations.

I've read some Sam Raimi online interviews this past week, including one in which producer Avi Arad suggested (I gleaned "forced.") to Sam to put Venom in the film because the fans want to see Venom.

No, Mr. Moneyguy, fans want to see a thoughtful, well-storied film that isn't cobbled together, over-produced and pandering.

It seems that if you have made a picture that costs hundreds of millions of dollars to make, you should fight to get more of an audience reaction than, "Meh."

If Sam stuck to his guns and told Arad to fuck off, there probably would have been a picture as good or greater than the second installment.

Especially if he put in a giant spider.

And yes, Jon Peters, I'm looking in your direction.

Posted by: Robert at May 5, 2007 8:13 PM

On a shallow note: Did anyone else think that Peter Parker should have dumped MJ's ass and hooked up with Ursula? She made him a cake in the second movie and cookies in this one.
That's very sweet.

All MJ brought to the table was a heaping helping of Self-Centered Bitch. Not so much with the attractive. I don't care how many bras you don't wear.

Peter crying and saying "I love you" on the bridge in the park. I couldn't help but ask why.

Posted by: Robert at May 5, 2007 8:21 PM

I knew, the minute I heard Venom was going to be in this flick, that something like this would be the result. What's the obsession with upping the villain count in every movie? They could have - and sounds as though they should have - stopped with Green Goblin II and Sandman. I won't say Venom could have been in Spider Man 4, not only because I don't really think there should be another one, but also because I loathe Venom and despise the fact that the character even exists. So, yeah, not a fan.

Posted by: Landon at May 5, 2007 9:01 PM

Venom/Eddie Brock was cool, but WAY underdeveloped...as mentioned by others, should have been delayed to a fourth movie.

The "evil/emo looking" Peter part was laughably awful. Really annoying.

Yet, I was still extremely entertained by the movie and can't complain too much.

Posted by: Joe at May 5, 2007 9:11 PM

Does anyone here watch The Soup? Funny stuff if you don't you should. Anyway, that had a little montage of the interviews with Tobey, Kirsten and the pretty boy, in them they were all acting like they were too good for the film. All like, "this isn't what I want to be known for blah blah blah" type of bullshit. Very unprofessional, and showing complete disdain for the whole thing.

'Cause they're all "artistes," right? So, I figure, if they don't give two shits about the material why should I.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 5, 2007 9:36 PM

am i the only one who never liked this series of movies?

No, the-ian, you're not (and I know a few more!). Spiderman was one of my favourites growing up (maybe not the best comic[s] but he was always one of the coolest cats)--and I find this series has zero personality. Raimi or no Raimi. I rented the first two (and I'll agree the second is marginally more watchable) but wild horses couldn't provoke me to waste another two hours on what I now know is a series that just wasn't designed with the likes of me in mind.

I'm okay with that (now).

Posted by: Ranylt at May 5, 2007 9:53 PM

No, the-ian, you're not (and I know a few more!)
I'm not a big fan, either, especially because I find Tobey Maguire to be completely unlikeable as Peter Parker. Aside from my distaste for the leading actor, I found the dialogue corny and the action scenes almost self-parodying in both movies.

To be fair, the Spiderman movies are a lot better than most of the recent rash of superhero movies, but that's not saying very much. I consider them watchable, but tremendously overrated.

I'm not averse to catching Spiderman 3 on TV at some point, but beyond that, I'm really not interested.

Posted by: Mentalepsy at May 5, 2007 11:59 PM

I agree with the review - it suffered from a bloat that is a product of throwing dollars at the screen rather than talent. When Bruce Campbell's French maitre'd is the best of a bad bunch of actors, and all the hero cliches are dragged out = pretty average movie. As for Tobey's emo hair - is that hairstyle the new "evil" goatee ?

Posted by: Dr Nick at May 6, 2007 1:35 AM

When I first saw reports about the third installment of Spiderman, I was sure that casting Topher Grace as Venom would ruin the franchise. Not that I have anything against the skinny bastard, but I just couldn't see Eric Forman as one of the most badass villains in comic history. As it turned out, his brief screen time was the only thing worthwhile in almost three hours of vomit-inducing idiocy.

Posted by: Corzole at May 6, 2007 1:41 AM

Wow. The movie was a piece of garbage, but my god was it entertaining. I can't remember the last time I laughed that much during a movie. Dance numbers, horrific dialogue, and Spider-man swinging in front of the American flag. I think Sam Raimi lost his goddamn mind while writing the script and the studio didn't care because it would make over a billion anyway.

Posted by: Gumbercules at May 6, 2007 1:45 AM

Okay, no offense, and I admit I don't know you as people and can only go by your words here.

I find it absolutely hilarious that PyD seems to believe personally downloading the movie is for everyone's benefit. Spare the the righteous indignation. If you want to rip off the studios, fine. Whatever. But don't act like it is some sort of protest. If that was true, we would have better music and movies ALREADY. Downloading this film doesn't do anything but give studios an excuse make even more low-budget, high-profit-margin dross that you claim to protest.

Oh, I'm way ahead of you, this will be a straight to laptop affair. I'm not wasting my money.

BarbadoSlim, if the movie is so bad that you don't want to pay for it, why bother seeing it in the first place? It isn't good enough for your dollar, but it is still worth downloading, instead of waiting for it to come to television? Isn't that a bit odd? Downloading a movie you don't want to see?

If you want to see the movie for free, go right ahead. But don't act like you are doing anyone any favors by doing so, or that it is such a bother that you have to tell others about it. You are doing it because you want to see it for free, not for any type of protest. If you already know you aren't going to like it, then don't watch it. If it was worth watching, then you can pay for it. Bragging about how you are going to basically commit a crime to stick it to the man that dared to make a substandard film is ridiculous.

Posted by: Vermillion at May 6, 2007 1:55 AM

I really liked Spiderman 1 & 2. To me, the Spiderman series was one that typified the best of what a good movie of the comic book genre could aspire to be. I saw Spiderman 3 tonight, and I've got to say that I thought it really sucked.

This was not a good movie. This was a bloated, out-of-control sequel that seemed to me to be a cross between everything bad from X3 and the Star Wars Prequels. It's was way too ambitious, the dialogue was terrible, the pacing was confused, characters are undeservingly redeemed, the ending was all wrong.

Unlike the other Spiderman movies, this one is so self-consciously in love with itself throughout (a more fitting title "Everyone Loves Spiderman.") This one was emotionally manipulative. For some reason every character was required to spit out platitudes or deliver something nauseatingly heartfelt at least once every 10 minutes while getting the giant headshot closeup ala Lord of the Rings. And the acting was often so broad and obvious the performances might have well been yanked out of a silent film.

The only parts I enjoyed were scenes with J. Jonah Jameson, the sequences with evil Peter Parker walking around with his popped collar making an ass out of himself, a brief period where evil Parker and Harry face off, and Bruce Campbell.

I could go on, but why bother. Such a disappointment. You let this one off much, much to easily. I mean, did you see the scene with the giant American flag for no reason whatsoever? What about the the random butler character who happens to reveal a crucial bit of information to one of the characters that leaves you wondering just why in the hell he didn't reveal this ages ago? Let's hope this is the worst of the Spiderman series.

Posted by: dw at May 6, 2007 2:54 AM

Well I guess I am in the minority in believing that 3 was the best of the bunch. Five years from now, when you have a choice to watch one of them on DVD, you will feel guilty for choosing this one over the first 2, but damn if it weren't a whole bunch more fun and exciting.

I, for one, enjoyed the Pete Wentz cameo.

Posted by: JP at May 6, 2007 2:57 AM

Vermillion: Now I'm gonna do it just to piss you off, It's not a political statement, or a protest, not a way of life or an "experience." No, I'm gonna do it 'cause I can, and there's frak all you can do about it.

I already did it btw.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 6, 2007 8:02 AM

And yes,


it sucked.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 6, 2007 8:03 AM

In preparation for watching 3, I watched 2 again for the first time in a while, and I don't remember it being so good. 2 is probably the best comic book adaptation ever made in terms of what a superhero movie should be all about. It was just so personal. The characters were developed. You were relieved when Parker revealed himself for the first time to MJ. The fight scenes with Octopus were fast and frantic and kick ass.

So case in point, my expectations for 3 were impossibly high. I mean, come on. There is no way they could really pull venom off and you all know it. To truly appreciate Venom, you need the entire movie devoted to him. Not 30 minutes.

I am not saying 3 was a bad movie. I was entertained, but 3 is half of what 2 is.

The good news is, from a certain point of view I suppose, is that the amount of money this movie will pull in will almost guarantee a 4. I am excited at that, but I only hope they drop the multiple villain schtick and get more personal.

(and for the record, I think the whole MJ angle sucked in 3, and is what really made it a bad movie. She was annoying. At the very least, they could have gotten along better and got married at the end-on a hilltop, of course. Then at least the trilogy would have had a complete ending in my opinion.

Posted by: some guy at May 6, 2007 11:17 AM

BarbadoSlim, why? Why bother posting about it? I said in my post before. I DON'T CARE IF YOU DOWNLOAD IT. My problem was you using such flimsy justification for it, especially since you knew you weren't going to like it. And you end up doing it again, only you tried to use me as the excuse instead.

It's not a political statement, or a protest, not a way of life or an "experience." No, I'm gonna do it 'cause I can,

Which was my point exactly. And forgive me for not understanding the rationale behind advertising the fact that you downloaded a movie you already hated.

Posted by: Vermillion at May 6, 2007 12:16 PM

You see I've already paid to see it.
And really really wish I could pull a Stan Marsh on Sam Raimi I want my 6 quid back - your product sucked balls.

Hence my recommendation.

(It was also an example of what's known in the trade as hyperbole)

Posted by: PyD at May 6, 2007 12:40 PM

HMM dont anyone think sandman ruined this movie......in the comic he was a plotless pointless street thug...in the movie he has a dieing daughter and killed uncle ben......and for gods sake hes spidermans punching bag the whole film and he never dies or gets injured...can anyone say god on earth...venom saved this movie from being complete garbage,if sandman was removed and you threw in shocker no one would no sandmans missing..........he shoulda been a victim of the black suit and just died when he was sprayed with water...and the scene of him getting up from the sand was a waste of 5mins and utterly pointless.

Posted by: westman at May 6, 2007 1:38 PM

And yet another thing....

Why can't bad guys just be bad guys?

Why did the Sandman have to be sympathetic?


I understand it would be difficult to forgive an asshole, but sometimes we just want a little ass-kicking.

Posted by: Robert at May 6, 2007 2:39 PM

From what I remember of the comic Eddie Brock had worked at the daily bugle for a really long time and hated parker for a while. In the movie, it seemed a bit pushed that he wished J.C. to kill Peter Parker. When he said it several people in the theater laughed. And I really find Kirsten dunst to be so unappealing and comletely lacking in any sort of charm. It is a mystery why Peter of Harry would be so enamoured with her Mary Jane. I thought the saturday night fever stuff was unecessary but pretty funny. And the ending was soooo corny and unoriginal and just plain sucked. The action scenes were fantastic though.Great review as always Pajiba.

Posted by: dinka at May 6, 2007 4:49 PM

I did like the movie, but it felt like such an anticlimactic conclusion(?) to the Spidey franchise. I found myself wondering why they tried to take two different plots that could have made complete movies on their own (if written properly, which, evidenced by the first two, could have easily been done) and molded them into one convoluted mash-up.

For me, the whole exploration of Peter's emo-ness ended up dry--when he tried to play the dark side seriously it sort of worked (minus the Conor Oberst sideswipe), but the sidewalk strutting and the jazz club scene left me scratching my head. Trying to work Peter's vengeance as simultaneously funny and serious didn't do it for me.

Another thing: was the weepfest intentional, or what? Peter cries, Harry cries, Aunt May cries, Gwen cries, Marko cries, Mary Jane cries--it got to the point where the audience I viewed this with started seeing the tears as a running gag. (I forsee in this a YouTube montage with that godawful "Bad Day" song as the soundtrack.)

And Harry's butler conveniently happens to be an expert in forensic pathology and reveals as much at an opportune moment? (in Amy Poehler voice) Really?

Did love the Bruce Campbell turn, though. ("I am French..." the dead stop at the end of that line made me giggle.)

Posted by: gw. at May 6, 2007 5:56 PM

there was no redeeming quality to this movie which lost itself in the attempt to become a cabaret style musical, with the surreal panderings of too many villains, terrible acting and abrupt story plots, including the Deus Ex Machina of Harry's amnesia, and desperate attempts to bring credibilty to his character.
Furthermore the computer animation was so obvious and overarching that if they deleted a few scenes they could have released it as the animated Spider Man movie.
For the love of god, fire everyone who worked on the script.

Posted by: bb at May 6, 2007 7:53 PM

Would it be fair to say that 3 is not better than 2?
That is if I make a comparison between Spider-Man 3 and Spider-Man 2.
But regardless of comparison, Spider-Man 3 is not a bad movie.
It just isn't great, that's all.


My review here:
andydreamseeker.blogspot.com/2007/05/movie-review-spider-man-3.html

Posted by: andydreamseeker at May 6, 2007 8:31 PM

That scene in the jazz club was BEYOND awkward, and went on waaaaay too long. The entire Dark Side of Peter Parker storyline, with the pelvic thrusts and new outfits and whatnot, was ridculous, and absolutely "self parody".

In a word, "retarded".

Keep your money, this one's a dud.

Posted by: Bunny at May 6, 2007 9:15 PM

"scathing reviews?" pajiba, you are going soft on me. Here is one movie that absolutely deserves something scathing and daniel, sorry man but you fail to bring it!

[(1) Welcome to the world of nuanced opinions. (2) Check out my review for Next, if you want something bitchier. -- D]

Posted by: yo at May 6, 2007 11:31 PM

You were too nice. And that's all the time I am going to waste on this movie.

Posted by: Graceful Dave at May 7, 2007 12:37 AM

In defense of the emo-peter/saturday night fever scenes, I'd just like to remind everyone that Peter is a dork. A geek, a nerd. Are we so suprised that his idea of cool is teh Fonz? I think the biggest missed opportunity this movie made: increasing screen/story of Gwen & Capt'Stacey and killing Mary Jane off, as well as including a lead up to Venom appearing in a subsequent film instead of hogging for time in this one.

Compared to its own series, this was definatly not a good movie, compared to other movies like it, it was hand over fist above...but it's not standing in very good company. *coughX3DaredevilElektra* Amnd I think that because there were a lot of doubts as to whether or not a 4th Spiderman movie would be made with this creative team, more pressure was applied to get as much junk in it as they could.

Posted by: RevenantX at May 7, 2007 2:30 AM

Just came back from seeing it and found it very disappointing. I thought the Venom subplot (minus the emo spidy) was good, and Topher Grace's villain was a refreshing change: totally unsympathetic, sleazy and power-hungry. Too bad Venom was on-screen for about 2 minutes. The Sandman was kinda cool, but I was a bit puzzled as to why Thomas Hayden Church was cast in the first place. Not that he was bad, but it was such a serious role for a comic actor like him and I assumed prior to the film that he'd play an eccentric or something.

Also, I literally started hitting my head with my purse during the jazz club scene. It was too bad to be even funny.

Posted by: loulou at May 7, 2007 5:08 AM

I was disappointed by the movie. I really loved the first two, so I expected that I would at least like this one. Wrong. Don't mistake me, I was highly entertained by the action sequences. Some of it was really breathtaking. But some of it was filmed with such a shaky angle that I could hardly see what the fuck was going on. I didn't think it was a good movie, but I don't think it's a bad one either. There are so many superhero movies that are so so bad that there is no way I will doom this one to the same category that, say, Batman and Robin falls into. The greatest scenes in the movie were really great. Any scene with Aunt May, the scene when Peter is watching MJ perform on Broadway, after Harry forgets to be evil and the three discover their friendship again for a short while - those were great. But then came along Emo Spidey and shit all over them. I cringed every time Emo Peter showed his red-eyed face. I mean, for fuck's sake, he just looked like a high emo kid who had forgotten to shower for two days straight. If Raimi really wanted to drive home Peter's split personality, he should have made up Maguire to look just this side of living death. AND he should have made him very charismatic and charming. Think about it - Peter Parker is a geek. So doesn't it stand to reason that the evil flipside would be a charismatic ladies man? All of you ladies know the men I'm talking about - the one who is walking, talking trouble but still has a flock of girls around him. THAT should have been Evil Peter. Darkened hair in the eyes and a sour look on the face does not make for an evil character.

Besides cringing at during the scenes that were meant to induce laughter, I laughed at the scenes that were meant to induce the vapors. When Harry's butler was giving him his old guy deus ex convenience talk (great phrase PyD, hope you don't mind if I borrow it for my evisceration), I laughed so hard tears were streaming down my face. I tried to hold it in out of respect for the people who were actually enjoying the movie, but my inner Beavis and Butthead got the best of me and mentally inserted "without lube" into the wrong place. I feel quite sure the butler's speech wasn't supposed to have sexual undertones - maybe the writers should have used different phrasing if they wanted the scene taken seriously. Futhermore, a tip to Raimi. If the actors in your movie aren't the best looking people, don't do an extreme close-up during scenes when they have to cry. I don't think Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst are bad-looking - in fact they have interesting and unique good looks - but interesting and unique don't translate into an attractive cry. Just sayin'. I could have actually been touched by their scene on the bridge, rather than giggling at it, if the camera had been backed up about 12 inches.

I have to say that the movie did improve in my eyes towards the end. Once Brock transformed into Venom and Harry pulled his head out of his ass, it seemed like we got a bit of character development. The ending scene between Peter and Marko was well done, as was the last one with Harry.

Hmmm, more random bitches and comments. I liked the framing of the scene with Harry, Peter, and MJ but it seemed like something taken directly from a comic panel. That's not necessarily bad, but the rest of the movie was not like that so it seemed a little out-of-place. Also, Harry never introduced himself as the Hobgoblin. After the movie, I had to ask my husband if Harry's supervillian name was Green Goblin Jr. or what. I did like the character of the Sandman. He was one of the most well-developed characters in this installment. I also liked Topher Grace in the role if Brock, but he should have been given a bit more screentime.

Wow, and I just realized how long my rant has gone on. Sorry if it seems a bit disjointed and not exactly grammatically correct, but I'm trying to get this out quickly so I can get back to work.

Posted by: stardust savant at May 7, 2007 9:21 AM

Wow. This is just a bad review.

Posted by: Arden at May 7, 2007 11:23 AM

I think my friend said it best with, "When Spidey turned evil, why did he turn into Crispin Glover?"

The whole second act of this movie was embarrassing.

Posted by: Carrie at May 7, 2007 1:50 PM

I liked the first very much and loved the second. Doc Oc is simply the best super villain ever to grace celluloid. Spidey 3 was entertaining but flabby by a good 20 minutes. However, I think we forget who these things are made to entertain - teens - and my two absolutely loved the movie and thought the Peter/Emo/Goth scenes were great. We decided that he was not really Emo because he was mean and violent - not really Emo traits.

Posted by: James S at May 7, 2007 3:08 PM

Somebody PLEASE check out how they attacked Dunst & Maguire with Photoshop on this Ebay banner advertising the props for auction:

http://stores.ebay.com/Spider-Man-3-By-Hollywoodvault

If Toby & Kirsten looked like that in the movie, I was in the wrong theater.

Posted by: Bunny at May 7, 2007 4:42 PM

Ha! I turned to my friend during the embarassing dance sequence and said "What is this, The Mask?" I see I wasn't the only one thinking that. And emo-Spidey was like Chris Gaines or something.

Posted by: ewg at May 7, 2007 4:46 PM

God, I disliked this movie intensely. I was bored within the first 30 minutes and it didn't get any better. I felt like the whole movie was build-up to the final battle, but when it came, it was nothing to get excited over. It just seemed like Venom, Harry and Sandman were there just for background and the rest of the movie was about poor tortured Peter Parker. In fact, I could predict exactly how it was going to end, and I felt like I was cheated when the credits rolled. And the dance sequences? Spidey dances? I don't think so! Stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm a HUGE fan of the first two movies, and I was very excited for this one, but I felt - like everyone else was saying - that there was too much going on all at once. Also, there was an extreme misuse of talent, i.e. James Cromwell and Bryce Dallas Howard - both of whom just had to act frightened or worried most of the time. The only engaging parts for me were the dinner sequence with the hysterical Bruce Campbell as a French maitre'd and the always reliable J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson. Topher Grace just seemed to be his same sarcastic self. Just not what I expected and definitely a disappointment. Don't waste your money. Instead, go watch the first two and pretend it ends there. Or, better yet, go watch some classic Raimi with the Evil Dead series. Far better than this Hollywood crap.

Posted by: Rachel at May 7, 2007 5:40 PM

Saw this as my two part movie club night on the weekend. I loved the first two spidey movies and was looking forward to this but about the third of the way through the film I was just praying that it would end asap. It actually made "Because I said so", the second movie we saw that night, actually seem quite funny and a decent pop-corn flick - eek!

Too many villians, too many plots, and too long.

Agree with others that Bruce Campbell and J Jonah Jameson are worth seeing for their little scene stealing cameos, but overall don't waste your money, or if you do go see it, take a pillow to have a nap.

Posted by: Nikki at May 7, 2007 11:41 PM

Topher Grace could get me to see anything he's in. And I mean ANYTHING. Too bad he was in this movie for only 2,5 min. The rest: same bland characters, same lame lines, same lousy script, same bad acting, same awesome special effects.

Posted by: Irina at May 8, 2007 5:25 AM

long time reader, first time poster.

first, those emo-parker scenes were obviously intentional comedy. i don't get why some people cringed during those scenes or felt awkward. peter parker is a dork. like an above poster stated earlier, it makes sense that peter's idea of being cool would be to be an emo-dork. as for the bigass flag scene, i'm thinking that was intentional comedy as well.

second, i think this is a fine movie. not a masterpiece or anything, but a movie worth spending 10 dollars to watch in a theater. people just had overly high expectations. if this had been spiderman 1, no one would be complaining about it, especially when compared to crap like X3, fantastic 4, and numerous other superhero movies that are being thrown out there right now.

it's a comic book movie people. it's not Braveheart, nor was it meant to be.

Posted by: David at May 13, 2007 10:34 AM

Ok, so it had good action scenes. And excellent Bruce Campbell goodness.

As for the rest of it, my friends and I spent the next three days marvelling at the *cheese*. Emo-peter (wonderful phrase!) had nothing on the spiderman-worshipping crowd scenes and the cheesy reporters, and SPOILER Harry's interminable, close-up ridden death scene. That's when the cinema cracked up.

And yes, Sam Raimi, I come to superhero movies to watch sub-characters cook omelettes. More action, dammit.

On a more personal level, I've always had reservations about these movies because Tobey Maguire just couldn't pull of the wise-cracking new-york Spidey of my childhood. Seeing Topher Grace's performance almost made me cry - he would have been perfect as Spiderman and Peter Parker both

Posted by: Taryn at May 14, 2007 3:09 AM

Hmm, not sure that your catch phrase should include "scathing reviews" anymore, seeing that you were just too generous with this one. In a word, the movie sucked. Yes, it had some high points, but nothing that could absolve it from the sin of making me sit through a train wreck for two hours. Too many subplots, too many villains, too much sop, too little plot.

I'm a bitchy person and I thought you were too.

Disappointed in Spider-Man 3. Disappointed in Pajiba.

Posted by: nike at May 14, 2007 11:46 AM

Hey Sam.... go home and let guillermo del toro (pan's labyrinth) do a better job with SM4

Posted by: John at May 15, 2007 11:18 AM

Posting too late for anyone to care, and most of the comments have summarized the issues with the film. The special effects were fantastic, but the film overall was completely mediocre and borderline bad at times.

I recall when The Matrix sequels were basically trashed, despite the special effects and action. Frankly, I don't see why this movie wasn't held to a similar standard (I suppose because Spiderman 2 was decent?). My friend LOVED it, and wanted me to love it, so I basically lied to placate her. I was ready to go after the Saturday Night Fever homage. Topher Grace was as laughable as a villain as Tobey Maguire was a "bad boy". I think Tobey is a good actor, but it's always been extremely difficult to find him a believable Peter Parker and Spiderman.

I don't blame some of the actors for distancing themselves a bit. For all of the times Pajiba has called out "You," Middle America, etc. for supporting crappy movies, the ball was dropped on this one.

Posted by: Daphne at May 26, 2007 10:41 PM

I actually thought this was the best Spider-Man.

Posted by: sayed at July 25, 2007 12:23 PM

You know, "Spider-Man 3" could've been a good movie. But the film pulled some boners, which included Bryce Dallas Howard in the most pointless cameo that didn't mesh in with the rest of the film. And yeah, they should've ended the film with Eddie turning into Venom at the end of the film, then to reappear in "Spider-Man 4".

And too top it all off, everyone was crying in the film (James Franco, good guy that he is, dodged the humiliation). It went from an affable blockbuster to a crappy tearjerker from early in the day ("Patch Adams", "Pay it Forward"). It's like Sam Raimi took all the fun out of it, and made a super-serious film that ended at a cemetary.

The good news is that everyone involved is moving forward to greener pastures. Kirsten Dunst, lovable gal that she is (see her late '90s work), is joining Simon Pegg and Megan Fox in "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People. And James Franco is reuniting with his "Freaks and Geeks" buddy Seth Rogen in "The Pineapple Express", which appears to be getting strong marks.

Posted by: Mike at October 6, 2007 10:30 PM





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