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Snakes on a Plane / Dustin Rowles

Film Reviews | August 23, 2006 | Comments (103)


Here’s a diatribe I’ve been waiting a long time to unleash: I’m dubious of anything with as much hype attached to it as Snakes on a Plane. In fact, the only thing that I can imagine that warrants this much pre-release attention is the Second Coming, and by all accounts I think Kirk Cameron’s got that covered. Of course, the difference between Snakes and, say, The Da Vinci Code is that the Snakes hype was generated largely by people who are supposed to remain detached from corporate machinations. The blogging world, after all, is meant to be the 52nd state; a nice blend of Jersey trash, Massachusetts intellectualism, and a big dose of the New Hampshire fuck-off mentality (well, except for the right-wing bloggers — that’s all Texas).

The problem, of course, is that somehow the very folks the blogging world was set up to rail against have gradually manipulated their way into our daily discourse. It’s incremental, to be sure, but the collective “we” is slowly being absorbed into the corporate agenda. I mean, what does it say about the blogosphere when the biggest story to break in the last six months was spearheaded by TMZ.com (which is owned by Time Warner) or that Lindsay Lohan is using the largesse of Perez Hilton to fight her PR wars? When personnel changes in the blogging world (read: Gawker Media) start making headlines or we start getting worried about double- or triple-checking sources to avoid legal skirmishes, well, one has to begin questioning the evolving blog mentality. After all, it’s hard to shit on the corporate parade when you’ve got your own hussied-out Paris Hilton float riding in it.

And what does this have to do with Snakes on a Plane? Well, everything actually. Because were it not for the blogging world, Snakes would’ve been dumped unceremoniously into a crowded weekend box office, where it would’ve netted around $5 million before silently making way for a Dukes of Hazzard sequel. But Sam Jackson said he wanted “snakes on a motherfucking plane,” someone lost his job, and what’s left of the blogosphere’s rebellious attitude kicked into overdrive, resulting inexplicably in Snakes action figures. To be sure, I’ve got nothing against Internet hype, just so long as it’s warranted. After all, were it not for the tireless efforts of a few undersexed couch potatoes with a keyboard and a verbal hard-on, “The Office” and “Veronica Mars” would’ve long since been cancelled. And hell, Joss Whedon owes half his fortune to the blogging world, and that motherfucker deserves every penny of it.

But before today, no one had even seen SoaP, yet we’d already created a large enough juggernaut to force Clerks II to reschedule its release. All because Jules Winfield used a little profanity and Defamer, et al., shoved it so far up everyone’s ass that we could feel the snakes crawling out of the back of our throats. Indeed, by deftly crafting the PR behind Snakes as the anti-establishment flick of the year, New Line Cinema pulled off a feat no less manipulative than attaching a Coldplay song to the trailers for World Trade Center. Never mind the merits of Snakes on a Plane; good, bad, or mediocre, admit this: We got played by a subsidiary of Time Warner.

And, of course New Line didn’t screen Snakes on a Plane for critics. Why? Because it motherfucking sucks. That’s why. The CGI is subpar. The plot is paper thin. The dialogue is atrocious. And the acting is downright horrendous. Hell, David Koechner actually turns in a more embarrassing performance than he did in Larry the Cable Guy: Health Inspector. I mean, seriously: Kenan Thompson is in it, do I have to say more?

And yet … and yet despite it all …

I haven’t had this much fun watching a movie since Ash Williams stood with a shotgun in one hand and a chainsaw in the other, beckoning: “Gimme some sugar, baby.” I shit you not, folks, Snakes on a Plane is every bit of god-awful fantastic that the hype portends. And I say this not as a movie critic, but as an enthusiast of so-bad-it’s-good. I consider the Final Destination series one of my favorite trilogies of all time; The Skulls is a minor classic, and nary anything can compare to the joy that was Cool as Ice. But Snakes on a Plane beats them all, hands down, fists balled, and middle finger to the sky. It absolutely kills. The only way I could’ve found it more entertaining is if the snake venom turned the passengers into zombies, but I suppose you gotta leave something for the sequel(s). In fact, the only analogy that could possibly do SoaP justice is one of those ear-mangling Journey ballads that you know is shittacular and yet you can’t help but crank it to an unheard-of decibel level and belt your lungs out (“Don’t stop believin’”).

Truthfully, SoaP defies everything I ever believed about filmmakers who actually set out with the intention of making a good-bad flick; I didn’t think it could be done. And maybe without the attendant hype, it couldn’t have, because damn near half of Snakes success comes from the spectacle of 75 college kids ripped to the tits chanting “Snakes on a Plane” and tossing toy planes around the theater. Indeed, Snakes absolutely demands an audience. It’s a participatory event. And it may be the only time you can ever watch a film and not hate everyone in the theater for yelling throughout, because hell if you don’t find yourself treating the whole experience like a college basketball game, just waiting for Samuel Jackson to drain the Snakes on a Motherfucking Plane to win the game. I actually applauded. More than once. And I didn’t even shake my head in wonder when the audience gave it a standing ovation as the credits rolled.

I could give you a plot summary, but really there’s little point. It is as advertised. It’s got a plane. It’s got snakes. And they attack the passengers. A lot. In fact, it is one of the few times that there are actually enough violent death scenes to quench one’s need for blood; hell, it’s got 25 Paris Hilton House of Wax moments. And you find yourself thinking the entire time that what’s about to happen isn’t going to happen but, yes, the snake does grab hold of the man’s penis while he’s taking a leak. And yes, that rattler does bore a hole through that woman’s eye. And yes, I — a grown man — found myself recoiling in my seat like a goddamn ninny.

So, what’s the take-home lesson here, folks? Bloggers, despite the influence of lethal amounts of PR machinery, still got this one right. But the real shame of it is that the Internet culture has actually managed to build something that lives up to its expectation, but in the process it’s alienated many of the people who would’ve enjoyed it. I have no doubt that SoaP will make a killing this weekend, because there are enough people out there willing to either give into or ignore the hype. But there are others who’d rather snack on their own toenails than buy into New Line’s manipulation, or who have an imaginary muzzleloader trained on the next guy who utters that Sam Jackson catch-phrase aloud. And the dubious skeptics — the kind of person with too much pride to jump on this bandwagon — will never believe that it could possibly live up to the hype. They will read this review; they will see the comments below; and they will shake their head and “baaaah.” But a friend will force them to go. Or they will sneak in when no one is looking. And they will somehow wind up sitting in front of SoaP. And, by god, they will believe.

It’s enough to drive John Yossarian to Sweden all over again.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. He lives in a blue house with his wife in a hippie colony/college town in upstate New York. You may email him, or leave a comment below.


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Comments

We hosted a sneak preview of this flick at my theatre tonight. Damned if it wasn't one of the best crowds we've had in a good long while-- just like you said, audience participation makes this movie something special. Hard to believe this came from the guy that made "Formula 51," but I'll bite.

Posted by: Mark at August 18, 2006 2:58 AM

wow! First comment! Now all i need to do is see the movie. Anyone know when it opens in Japan?

Posted by: fozzy da bear at August 18, 2006 2:58 AM

okay, TIED for first comment. Sorry to waste the space. I do agree with the first half of the review though, but I will still see it. On DVD if I must.

Posted by: fozzy da pissed of bear at August 18, 2006 3:00 AM

Wait-- checking the IMDB, I think I was confused-- then what was it Samuel L. Jackson was talking about on "The Daily Show" the other night?

Posted by: Mark at August 18, 2006 3:00 AM

Superb review - and one of a string of them as well. Thanks. There's still no way I'm going to see this adrenalin-pumping pile of action crap though.

Posted by: Smith at August 18, 2006 3:13 AM

When I first saw the preview for this movie, I thought, is this real? They actually made a movie with a premise this lame?

And then I thought it would be hilariously bad. I love so-bad-its-good, so it looks like I'll have a good time with this.

On a side note, does Samuel Jackson even care what he's doing anymore? I get the feeling he just shows up, gets his $X million pay check and says 'Where do you want me?'. It's sad, but I can't say I wouldn't do any different (for that amount of money)...

Posted by: Tina at August 18, 2006 3:43 AM

Just got out of the theater, and I have never had such a rollicking-good time ever watching a movie. SoaP is an instant classic!

Posted by: Amanda at August 18, 2006 3:46 AM

something heller happened in that last bit of your review that is going to make me go schedule a mass viewing of the movie. I originally did not plan on watching this caca but this should be fun. you think they'll get away passing joints? we might need more people for that.

Posted by: jackseppelin at August 18, 2006 3:49 AM

just saw the show last night, and i've never been to a movie that had such a great audience. to whoever was there at century city, ca for the 10pm showing...great watching that movie with you. i just hope it continues to pull the numbers all weekend long. by the way gene simmons from K.I.S.S. was there, with still popcorn in his bag, yeah people it's that bad/good

Posted by: snakesonacomment at August 18, 2006 6:04 AM

Best/Worst. Movie. Ever. Made. Epic.

Posted by: snakesoncrack at August 18, 2006 8:28 AM

Best/Worst. Movie. Ever. Made. Epic.

Posted by: snakesoncrack at August 18, 2006 8:28 AM

Ive never had such high hopes for a movie and been so completly satisfied. Ive seen some shit movies (coughXmen3) but this instantly sits among the greats of the "so bad its good" genre. If you pick and see movies based on the philosophical content and the deep spiritual meaning go see World Trade Center yawn* but if you want a kick ass balls the wall action flick that knows its bad and doesnt care, see Snakes. Anyone who walks away disappointed from that movie clearly doesnt know how to have fun.

Posted by: surfurdude at August 18, 2006 9:23 AM

Walking down the street yesterday, I actually saw a plane trailing a banner advertising SoaP across the sky. I recently read about the SoaP jewelry line in a fashion trade publication. The amount of hype put into this film is unfathomable to me, but I'm glad the movie lives up to it.

Posted by: Carly at August 18, 2006 9:25 AM

Wait, that Journey song isn't shittacular. Nothing makes a song better than that Steve Perry voice. Plus the video for "Separate Ways"? Total cheeseball classic. Moving on...

I had a feeling this was going to live up to the hype--mostly because it's Samuel L. Jackson, and only he can pull off shit like this.

Posted by: em at August 18, 2006 9:46 AM

I love you for loving Cool As Ice.

Posted by: Scott at August 18, 2006 10:08 AM

Dammit. I was fully prepared to not see this (I'm a bit of a contrarian regarding movies that are so overly hyped) but I have about ten movie passes burning a hole in my wallet, so I think I'll watch a Talladega Nights/SoaP double-bill.. then go check out Little Miss Sunshine just to balance things out.

Posted by: Lisa at August 18, 2006 10:14 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole point of the "hype" was that everyone recognized immediately that this movie would be *so* bad, and that SLJ was *so* committed to it that it would be too hilarious to miss. Fark was tattooing SoaP early on and it wasn't because they thought they were generating an audience for the flick.

If anything, the public didn't get duped or played. The public called out the movie, and, instead of getting all snippy and prudish, the movie makers and stars embraced it. This occurance might never happen again. I, for one, intend to enjoy it.

Posted by: Chris at August 18, 2006 10:39 AM

I saw SoaP last night and LOVED IT! It was hilarious but I'd have to say that cherry on top were the free posters the theater gave out with flight instructions and pictures in case you're ever on a plane that happens to have snakes on board.

Posted by: jmurae at August 18, 2006 10:58 AM

Wait...were a couple of extra lines just added to the end of this review?

Posted by: heqit at August 18, 2006 11:01 AM

Well, thanks. My boyfriend and I are seeing this tonight, and I was kind of dreading it. I thought the months of hype was kind of hilarious, and I have enjoyed it since the first time I heard about it. However, I was convinced the movie was going to suck and not in a "so bad it's good" kind of way. I thought it was just going to suck. You have restored my faith, and now I'm actually excited to see it. I just hope the theater is packed tonight!

Posted by: MDA at August 18, 2006 11:08 AM

I love you for reaffirming my belief that Journey rock ballads are the best thing ever. Not that I ever felt guilty rocking Wheel in the Sky at top volume with all the windows down, but now I know I'm not alone.

I've always believed that the company in which you watch a movie greatly affects your enjoyment of it, so I guess I'll have to hit up the popular theaters for a 7pm showing of this one.

Posted by: MG at August 18, 2006 11:18 AM

In fact, the only analogy that could possibly do SoaP justice is one of those ear-mangling Journey ballads that you know is shittacular and yet you can’t help but crank it to an unheard-of decibel level and belt your lungs out (“Don’t stop believin’”).

Best review I've ever read. I was afraid, as I persued the beginning, that this would be yet another pompous critique of an overly hyped film, refuting the hilarity of pure nonsensical horrific film making. I applaud your courage in admitting that not only can something be so bad that it's good, but moreover, that having fun trumps the artistic value, given that there's very little to be found. Viva SoAP!

http://thepenultimatehurrah.blogspot.com

Posted by: Sally at August 18, 2006 11:21 AM

""...so I think I'll watch a Talladega Nights/SoaP double-bill.. then go check out Little Miss Sunshine just to balance things out...."

Lisa is one of those film snobs who REFUSES to admit she likes funny movies. Bet she dates a guy who wears a beret and eats finger sandwhiches too...Just have fun for Christ's sake! And Cool as Ice changed my life. I still have the grooves in the side of my head, my yellow sport bike, airbrushed leather jacket and overalls with only one strap. Drop that zero and get with the hero...WORD!

Posted by: JohnnytheCorpseFucker at August 18, 2006 11:25 AM

"The only way I could’ve found it more entertaining is if the snake venom turned the passengers into zombies, but I suppose you gotta leave something for the sequel(s). In fact, the only analogy that could possibly do SoaP justice is one of those ear-mangling Journey ballads that you know is shittacular and yet you can’t help but crank it to an unheard-of decibel level and belt your lungs out (“Don’t stop believin’”)."

Dustin I love you! Your reviews...they are just tears-streaming from my eyes hilarious! Thanks for making my day. I may allow myself to be dragged to see this movie.

Posted by: Trish at August 18, 2006 12:21 PM

CorpseFucker, how exactly am I refusing to admit that I like funny movies? My DVD collection (movies and TV shows) is about 1/3 comedies; besides, all three movies I mentioned are funny, although I suppose my beret-clad boyfriend might call LMS a dramady. In the past, I've rarely liked movies with a lot of mainstream buzz, so I tend to wait until I hear from trusted sources such as Pajiba; can't blame a girl for that, can you?

Posted by: Lisa at August 18, 2006 12:27 PM

Here's the deal with people who like to use the "so bad it's good argument" about pop culture - it's just another way of saying "I have bad taste". Plain and simple.

The fact is, my generation (X) has lowered the bar on quality within the entertainment world by embracing things ironically, and finding the "kitsch factor" in substandard work that should have never seen the light of day to begin with. The above poster, JohnnyTheCorpseFucker, is a good illustration of this phenomena.

(Apologies to the fucker of corpses for singling him out)

When we lament the fact that Hollywood seemingly foists more and more crap upon a supposedly unsuspecting public, we would be wise to remember that we only have ourselves to blame.

The attitude expressed by Lisa, and myself, is not an indication that we are SNOBS, but an indication that some of us just refuse to waste our time with substandard entertainment.

What's curious is that this phenomenon of embracing the bad seems relegated almost solely to films and television. Does this ever happen in music, or literature, or painting and sculpture? If a band truly and recognizably sucks balls, do we continue to listen and buy their records simply because the band is "so bad it's good"? The examples must be few and far between.

What about eating a horrid meal at a bad restaurant? I don't know about you, but I won't be back, and I won't sit there picking my teeth afterwords saying something like, "Well, that meal sucked, but hey, it was sooo bad I'm going to puke, so it was worth it."


From my perspective, and I guess this is my problem as a so-called "snob" - When something is obviously bad, it simply cannot be seen as "good" by any standard. I'd like to think that I'm capable of having fun and simply enjoying films such as SoaP, but apparently I've allowed artistic value to trump the joy. Shame on me. Artistic value in cinema? Perish the motherfucking thought! In other words, it's my fault I don't like crap, and won't spend the time and money to consume it.

Having said this, Pajiba is my favorite film review site on the internet, and I've got nothing but respect for the writers here, including Mr. Rowles, but I do wish that people would just fess up to the fact that they have questionable taste, rather than obscure that fact with things like irony and kitsch in order to feel good about the their lack of taste.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions and bad art.

"This is so bad it's gone past good and back to bad again." - Enid, Ghost World

Posted by: Hank Mohaski at August 18, 2006 1:05 PM

The question is, is it worse to have "bad taste" in movies or to be unable to recognize the fact that deeming people with different artistic taste than you as having "questionable" or "bad" taste is ridiculously pompous and irritating to about 90% of the population?

In short, some of you need to chill. It's motherfucking snakes on a motherfucking plane. The premise, exposition, and conclusion are all in the title. Unbunch your panties and save your money if it's that damn important to you.

Posted by: Kim at August 18, 2006 1:23 PM

Hank, the "so bad it's good" opinion doesn't happen often when dealing with music because music in general lacks much of potential for ridiculousness that is provided through plot and characters. Even so, you can get a lot of entertainment out of laughing at a whiny singer that takes himself too seriously. The emo genre, for example, is a goldmine of unintentional comedy.

Furthermore, I think the Bad/Good approach DOES happen with literature. People often buy trashy grocery-store novels, (also referred to as "beach-readers,") not because they expect a great work of literature, but because they expect it will entertain them, however briefly.

Sue Grafton keeps churning out her "X is for Y" crime novels, all of which are unimaginative trash, but I've read a couple and I admit they were entertaining enough, mostly because I was laughing at the main character. Which, when you think about it, is really the same reaction most people have towards the Evil Dead movies, classics of the Bad/Good genre. We like them because Ash is a moron and we can laugh at what he does.

People can enjoy a movie even while recognizing that it's terrible. I realize that Resident Evil 2 is a piece of crap from a movie standpoint, but that still doesn't keep me from enjoying repeated viewings.

Posted by: Sam at August 18, 2006 1:28 PM

"What's curious is that this phenomenon of embracing the bad seems relegated almost solely to films and television. Does this ever happen in music, or literature, or painting and sculpture? If a band truly and recognizably sucks balls, do we continue to listen and buy their records simply because the band is "so bad it's good"? The examples must be few and far between."


Am I really the only one here who has a William Shatner album?

Posted by: BlackWolf at August 18, 2006 1:30 PM

Er, I meant to say Resident Evil 2 is a piece of crap from a CRITICAL standpoint. A "movie" standpoint doesn't really mean anything.

Posted by: Sam at August 18, 2006 1:31 PM

Thank GOD you didn't torture me any more by saying it sucked - I want to love you, and love it, at the same time! It's like a SoaP/Pajiba menage a trois with ME!

Posted by: Jennifer at August 18, 2006 1:33 PM

I second the notion of thanking you for bringing up "Cool As Ice". Apart from the obvious sources of appeal, this is my favourite:

Here is the imdb.com page of the cinematographer of that particular film.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001405/
See if you recognize any of his other credits. I like to think CaI is what brought him to attention.

Posted by: -j. at August 18, 2006 1:35 PM

"What about eating a horrid meal at a bad restaurant? I don't know about you, but I won't be back, and I won't sit there picking my teeth afterwords saying something like, "Well, that meal sucked, but hey, it was sooo bad I'm going to puke, so it was worth it."

I think my food analogy to Snakes on a Plane (okay, yes, I just wrote that sentence) is having a Big Mac. I know it's made of the worst quality meat and is preposterously high in fat. And, yet, the shit is delicious.

Posted by: Samantha T at August 18, 2006 1:52 PM

RE: the good taste/badtaste discussion:
BLAH. BLAH. BLAH.

Here's what you should do - skip the debate, have a cocktail, go see the movie, get laid, call in sick and take the day off.

It'll make you feel a whole lot better.

Posted by: MaryWoo at August 18, 2006 1:57 PM

Oh Hank, you gone and done it. You pulled my off my lurking couch. Ah, the age old argument - high vs low art (a dubious distinction if ever there was one). Let me esplain - no, lemme sum up. Your point would be well taken if say - I wasn't a girl who is moved by and can speak quite intelligently on Sam Shepard, Shakespeare, Puccini, John Coltrane, Pollack, Kandinski, Skip James, Sam Cooke, Ibsen, Strindberg, Renoir (to name a very few of my favorite artists) and who also fucking LOVES Days of our Lives, The Skulls (Some of Josh Jackson's finest work. Glad we're on the same page here, Dustin), that London Bridge song and yes, Snakes on a Mother fucking plane. It was a performative experience, to reference Richard Schechner who I suspect would wax philosophically on the importance of a movie like this in a culture where theatre is dying. The art is not the movie itself, rather it lies in the community created, the experience shared: a room full of people shouting out lines in perfect unison TO A MOVIE THEY"VE NEVER BEFORE SEEN.

(In the interest of full disclosure, I took a class from Richard Schechner in college and happen to think he's a pompous ass.)

Let me also site Richard Foreman - one of the most prolific avante garde theatre creators of our time who, from what I understand from friends who have worked with him, NEVER misses an episode of General Hospital.

You are with out a doubt a snob. That's not a character judgement, just an observation based on your post. I've been accused of the same, quite fairly in many cases. To quote Jean Genet from The Balcony (one of my favorite plays) "It takes all kinds to make a world." The road to hell is paved with back room deals between GWB and Halliburton. Bad art jsut makes the journey bareable.

Posted by: Beckylooo at August 18, 2006 2:08 PM

So, what, I can't be a classically trained violinist who appreciates everyone from Vivaldi and Chopin to Eric Clapton and Stevie Wonder, AND also want to see this movie (and listen to Journey) at the same time? Please. Questionable taste, my ass. You like what you like--whether or not something is "questionable" is relative anyway.

I hope you don't get too many splinters from that broomstick up your arse.

Posted by: em at August 18, 2006 2:28 PM

Can someone say sequel.

Snakes on a Train??

Posted by: Iceman at August 18, 2006 2:44 PM

Oh come on people! Don't believe the hype! If you want to see a great movie that invites fans of all ages to experience film making at its best, try ZOOM! Now THAT is a movie experience for the ages...and before you all get up on your high horses, let me remind you Zoom has Chevy Chase in an hilarious supporting role while Snakes has...well...snakes...Show me a snake that can do an hilarious Gerald Ford impersonation and I'm there! Until then, "Snakes' are for zoos and this film-goer will take in cinema as it was meant to be: Rip roaring good fun for the entire family!

Posted by: Bixby at August 18, 2006 2:50 PM

I think my food analogy to Snakes on a Plane (okay, yes, I just wrote that sentence) is having a Big Mac. I know it's made of the worst quality meat and is preposterously high in fat. And, yet, the shit is delicious.

Marry me!

Posted by: Lisa at August 18, 2006 3:07 PM

I am not seeing this movie. It is already drenched in Napolean Dynomite-itis and it just came out. It took months for ND to reach that level of annoying oversaturation.

And for the whole highbrow/snobs debate: seeing SOAP just because it's some big internet in-joke is its own form of snobbery. Those of us who are not interested in seeing it, or only caught wind of it in the last few weeks are "out of the loop," or "just don't get it"

Explain the difference between that and run-of-the-mill snobbery?

Posted by: Christine at August 18, 2006 3:38 PM

I think the main difference between high and low art is the intention of the artist and of the audience. I love intellectual films that are made to challenge the audience. By God, I actually sat through ALL OF Dogville, loved it, and talked with friends about the nature of good and evil for hours afterwards. It was meant to have that effect. However, I also watched Frankenhooker and enjoyed every cheesetastic moment, and forgot it seconds after I finished watching. It was also meant to have that effect, and I watched it knowing what I was getting into. I liked The Squid and the Whale, for example, but if I could only watch claustrophobic intellectual dramas like that for the rest of my life, I'd have to resort to masturbatory acting out for release (see the film).

I plan to see SOAP, and leave my OED at home. And yes, I am a former English major, and I do own one.

Posted by: MaiGirl at August 18, 2006 3:38 PM

I went to check out the midnight show last night and I have to say: I've been all about this movie since I heard about it last year. Needless to say, it did not disappoint. I'm sure a large part of that was the audience, which did cheer and whoop and scream at the scary parts (myself included) and made it a movie viewing experience that can't be missed. I also think they did an amazing job of treading the very fine line between being genuinely scary and being funny and self-aware. It's like Sam Jackson said: Snakes on a Plane. A movie with that title, you know what you're getting. And they give it to you in SPADES.

Posted by: Kevin at August 18, 2006 3:44 PM

on the subject of music being so bad it's good...does anyone remember 2gether? yes it was a fake made up band but they were so bad that I bought their CD and still have it in my collection. "say it don't spray it, i want the news not the weather" come on people have some fun!

Posted by: jmurae at August 18, 2006 3:47 PM

I'm sorry, I went to a redneck school not known for it's liberal arts departments, despite its excellent reputation for technical degrees. Should I know who Richard Schechner is? I don't really care. I'm comfortable with knowing that it doesn't matter what someone on a blog comments section thinks of my own personal snobbery, which I will admit is pretty severe. And, as long as we're throwing out our favorite so bad it's good, I give you "The Legend Of Billie Jean" and All Saints, whose song "Never Ever" was fantasmagoric but pretty much answered the question of whether they would have a hit record.

Posted by: Kitty X at August 18, 2006 4:54 PM

Music so bad it's good: Humpty Dance.
Food so bad it's good: Taco Bell.
Literature so bad it's good: for me and my brother, Da Vinci Code.
Painting and sculpture: how about Yoko Ono? I saw her exhibit at the San Fran MOMA and I was cracking up at how ridiculous she was.

"So bad it's good" is all around us, if you have the sense of humor and the sense of FUN to enjoy it.

Posted by: MDA at August 18, 2006 5:17 PM

"Marry me!"

Lisa, I'm already married. I am, however, flattered!

Posted by: Samantha T at August 18, 2006 5:21 PM

Kitty X,

You're most definately not supposed to know who Schechner is. That was kind of the point. Fight snobbery with snobbery, that's what I say.

Posted by: Beckylooo at August 18, 2006 5:24 PM

On the "so-bad-it's-good" front": Anyone ever seen "The Stuff"? There are not words for the hilarity encased in this film. And Garret Morris is one of the stars. Really.

Posted by: Janie Jones at August 18, 2006 5:31 PM

"Am I really the only one here who has a William Shatner album?"

His cover of Pulp's Common People is such a perposturously awsome crime against god that I'm incapable of not loving it.

Did that actually make sence?

Also, on the subject of "so-bad-it's-good" music, The Shaggs anyone?

(Excellent review btw)

Posted by: Megan at August 18, 2006 5:31 PM

Hmm,

I wish I weren't such an oversensitive suck who recoils at anything remotely violent, then I might have something interesting to add to this conversation. Oh well, carry on.

Posted by: M at August 18, 2006 5:51 PM

Maybe "so bad it's good" is a poor term for SoaP, Big Macs, William Shatner and their ilk.

Saying something's so bad it's good implies a self-conciousness that is the hallmark of the Ironic Hipster. But enjoying a movie like SoaP is something more than that, at least for me. It's fun watching or listening to something that you can tell the people involved had fun making. Art can be so serious a lot of the time, it's nice to see someone lighten up a little.

As soon as Hank brought up his point about listening to "bad" music I thought of Fanny Pack. Actually I think Puffy Ami Yumi is in the same category. I love that stuff!

Posted by: Karina at August 18, 2006 5:58 PM

"Lindsay Lohan is using the largesse of Perez Hilton to fight her PR wars"

Does "largesse" mean "large head"? Because I could see that.

Posted by: Craig at August 18, 2006 6:09 PM

I'm waiting for the Savage Chickens version:
http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2006/07/long-flight.html

Posted by: Sanity Clause at August 18, 2006 6:28 PM

Craig,
I think it actually means "large ass", but I'm not sure.

Maybe Richard Schechner knows.

Posted by: MaryWoo at August 18, 2006 6:52 PM

To Iceman:
Unfortunately, someone already did "Snakes on a Train"-saw it at Blockbuster today, but didn't rent it. I'm saving my snake virginity for SNAKES ON A MOTHERFUCKING PLANE!

Mike

Posted by: Michael at August 18, 2006 10:19 PM

After months of anticipation, SoaP jokes, sending messages from the site to friends, coworkers, and family members, annoying EVERYONE about the film, taking 1/2 day off work to drink our lunch and see the early show . . . I have to say, it was WELL WORTH THE LOST WAGES AND THE MONEY WE SPENT. It is, in my humble opinion, close second to my FAVORITE all-time bad movie, "Roadhouse." SoaP is killer. I laughed, I cringed, I cheered, I clapped. It wins, wins, FUCKING WINS. It is the bomb. It is so an instant-classic, it's not even funny. Nothing could make it better than it was. It lived up to the hype. Perfect.

Posted by: Amanda at August 18, 2006 10:25 PM

I really pity the sad few of you who don't understand the "so bad it's good" philosophy of films. Your sad attempts at finding analogous situations in other fields are just as cringeworthy as this movie. It's like when someone says something that is just ridiculously over-the-top stupid and you can't help but laugh. That's all there is. You're trying to make this out to be a kind of masochism or self-martyrdom, but what it comes down to is that some things are so bad that they're funny.

This movie is just about the best thing I've ever seen. Enough is enough. I've had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane.

Posted by: Deniz at August 18, 2006 10:51 PM

My contribution to the "so bad it's good debate"--

...anyone ever see "Manos: The Hand of Fate"?

After that, Snakes on a (Motherfucking) Plane seems like a walk in the park. There's some simplistic sort of a plot and there will be no huge-kneed henchman with a bizarre stutter. I plan to rent this movie with my friend, on the same day that we plan to watch "V for Vendetta" and "Pi".

Posted by: anaxa at August 18, 2006 10:56 PM

"so bad it's good"--

To many to list, but:
Matthew Wilder, "Break My Stride"
Debbie Boone, "You light up my life"
Aqua, "Barbie"

Movies. I can't be the only one who LOVES Showgirls. "It must be weird, not having anybody cum on you."

'nuff said.

Posted by: tron at August 19, 2006 12:27 AM

You can't reference "Manos: The Hands of Fate" out of the context of Mystery Science Theater 3000, which is practically the Bible, as far as I'm concerned, in the "lowbrow becomes high art" debate.

That said, SoaP is freakin' genius. The power goes out, and what does one extra shout in aggravation? he shouts, "snakes!" oh, it was genius...

Posted by: recordedvoice at August 19, 2006 1:48 AM

Tron-

May I add to your list the following:

Aqua- "Candyman"
Any song from the 90s dance music group Real McCoy (ie. "Another Night)
Ace of Base- "Don't Turn Around"

Movies:

So, I know that after stating one of my all-time it's so bad that it's good movies that I will indubitably be Pajiba-excommunicated. But, I cannot watch "Scary Movie" and not laugh uncontrollably when Officer Doofy comes in and says, "Office Doofy, reporting for duty," with his mothafuckin yellow construction paper sherriff star on his uniform.

Dustin, I truly adore the fact that you brought up the FD trilogy. God, those movies are just serendiptious comedic genius. I don't think that I had ever laughed so hard during a horror movie at least at the time when that chick got run over by the bus or when Stiffler (hell, I don't know his "real" name) got his head sliced off.

Wow, I have truly embarrassed myself now. I will crawl back to my room and read some Feuerbach for penance (silently slipping Final Destination into the DVD player and buying Snakes on A motherfucking Plane tickets via Fandango).

Posted by: Gigi Worthington at August 19, 2006 2:13 AM

Very true. I really wanted to hear people clap and laugh and scream and cry and gasp. I was prepared for an annoying crowd, they didn't disappoint, and I joined in.

YAY SNAKES!

(And nice Final Destination shoutout. This director knows his movie gold.)

Posted by: Kelly at August 19, 2006 10:34 AM

Why has no one mentioned the song and video played over the end credits? Until I got home I wasn't sure if it was even for real. All I can say is the song EXACTLY fits the movie. I'm still humming it.

Posted by: NancySinger at August 19, 2006 11:20 AM

Saw it at the 11:55pm showing last night after having a few rounds. Well worth it but I doubt it will ever capture that magic again the next time I see it. If you don't watch it in a packed night showing don't bother.

Posted by: Rob at August 19, 2006 11:34 AM

That song/video at the end was a massive piece of shit...really pissed me off. The Cee-Lo track after it, however, was badass.

Anyway, this movie is the most fun I've had in a theater in a long fucking time.

Posted by: Joe at August 19, 2006 11:36 AM

NacySinger, as much as I loved the movie (and I did, it was brilliant) I cannot stand that song. I've tried and tried, for the sake of enjoying it insomuch that its ingrained into the SoaP community, but I can't manage to derive any sort of entertainment value from that single. And not even in a "so bad its good"-type of way.

Posted by: madams at August 19, 2006 11:41 AM

"The Stuff" rules. larry cohen is a genius. anyone ever see "Q: The Winged Serpent", "It's Alive", or "God Told Me To"? cohen is the precursor to the "so bad it's good" movement.

some respect...richard lynch as a jesus/alien/killer/whatthefuckever precludes the "SoaP"...awesome stuff. as is the claymation, skyscraper dwelling "Q" and the killer newborn of "it's alive".

can't wait to see "SoaP", though, but "SoaP" lovers need to empty half a 40 of OE on their doorsteps to Larry C. (and many others) for paving the way for this shit. and i mean that in a positive way. seriously.

Posted by: idiot dentist at August 19, 2006 11:52 AM

I think Yossarian would have sauntered into the theater with a bottle of wine in one hand, hooker in the other, and thoroughly enjoyed himself. This is the good brand of crazy.

Posted by: Bec at August 19, 2006 4:40 PM

LOVE IT. I'm going to see it this weekend just for the hell of it.

Posted by: rachel at August 19, 2006 6:26 PM

All I have to clear my craw about over this flick can be found at Yarblehead under the title SOAP & SOAK

Posted by: Joseph at August 19, 2006 9:44 PM

I knew there was A LOT of hype around this movie.....but didn't fully realize how big the phenomenon was. Went to Blockbuster, and saw.....Snakes on a Train. The hell? Were these two films shot at the same time? Needless to say, there were no copies available. Hee! Based on the comments, the only value in seeing the film in the theater is with a large, participatory audience. Sounds like fun.....but I'll probably take a pass. Unless someone else decides to pay.

Posted by: Daphne at August 19, 2006 10:26 PM

it is not even a good movie, in fact it was so terrible that i had to see it, and since it was so terrible i loved it...i enjoyed it alot; laughing at its ridiculousness. but i will give it credits about one thing though, it trully was about snakes on a plane, nothing else, nothing more...straight to the point. now, there's something to learn about that movie, it gave what it said it would. people should start doing that more often.

Posted by: sara at August 20, 2006 12:20 AM

I'm with fozzy da bear. We got a release date for Japan yet???

Posted by: liz in japan at August 20, 2006 7:47 AM

Tron:

I second your Showgirls, which I have loved as fab eye-candy since the day I saw it in the theatre on a dare, and found myself sitting near a guy rubbing one out with vigour a few seats over.

I own it, along with Femme Fatale, Wild Things and Warhol's Blood for Dracula. Poeple are always so shocked when they see these titles wedged between my Herzogs, McElwees, Tarkovskys and Bergmans, but I don't even bother to defend myself anymore. I believe in range!

I am seeing SoaP this week bar none. I have high hopes.

Posted by: ranylt at August 20, 2006 9:03 AM

"Just got out of the theater, and I have never had such a rollicking-good time ever watching a movie. SoaP is an instant classic!"

I'm gonna have to agree with Amanda on this one. So much fun. And the crowd was ready, willing, and able to have a good time as soon as the pre-show countdown began. It was awesome.

Posted by: Tauwan at August 20, 2006 1:57 PM

I WANT THESE MOTHERFUCKING SNAKES OFF THIS MOTHERFUCKING PLANE!

Posted by: billy bob thorton at August 20, 2006 5:25 PM

Good news, bad news, and kinda sorta bad news:

Bad news - the movie performed below expectations this weekend. It was expected to gross around $20 million.

Good news - it still pulled in around $15 million, which is a lot more than it should have or would have without all of the Internet hype.

Kinda sorta bad news -
The movie cost $30 million to make. And anyone who was going to see the movie probably saw it this weekend. It may be a tough road to break even, even tougher to turn a profit.

Posted by: None of your beeswax at August 20, 2006 7:03 PM

$15 mil is still pretty decent, right? Hmmm...maybe if it had a few more "A-list" names it would have pulled in more cash. However, the price of admission was worth it for the David Koechner line that ended in "...this plane will go down faster than a Thai hooker". My boyfriend and I just couldn't stop laughing.

Posted by: em at August 20, 2006 8:26 PM

Here is what $15 mil equals in the movie world: Miami Vice grossed $25.7 mil its opening weekend. John Tucker Must Die grossed $14.3 mil its opening weekend. Basically, those numbers say that on opening weekend, SoaP did slightly better than John Tucker, and much worse than Miami Vice. HAHAHA!! If Talladega Nights, Step Up, and World Trade Center all make a few mil less this weekend than they did last weekend (which they probably will), SoaP could take number one. This also means that Accepted cannot make over $15 mil, which it may very well have. I still think it's hysterical that this wonderful, awesome, SOOOO popular movie only made as much on opening as John Tucker Must Die. Wow, thats awesome. I say that as someone who probably wouldnt have gone to see SoaP anyway b/c it looked too stupid, but, WOW did the saturating hype REALLY REALY turn me off big time. Hype shouldnt exist before a product comes out. It should build later.

Posted by: Foster at August 20, 2006 11:26 PM

Since this hasn't yet been mentioned by another commentor, I'm going to go ahead and give obligitory props to the Army of Darkness love in the review. That is all

Posted by: madams at August 21, 2006 12:26 AM

I believe the high art vs. low art debate is the same as philosophical vs. political conversation -- each appeals to different parts of the brain.

From Scientific American, concerning how the brain processes political debate:

"The neuroimaging results, however, revealed that the part of the brain most associated with reasoning--the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex--was quiescent. Most active were the orbital frontal cortex, which is involved in the processing of emotions; the anterior cingulate, which is associated with conflict resolution; the posterior cingulate, which is concerned with making judgments about moral accountability; and--once subjects had arrived at a conclusion that made them emotionally comfortable--the ventral striatum, which is related to reward and pleasure."

It's not a perfect analogy, I admit. But there's pleasure in watching Kieslowski just as sure as there's pleasure in cranking up "I Love Rock n' Roll" by Joan Jett and the Blackhearts -- it's just a different sort of pleasure. One makes you think, the other fucking rawks.

Posted by: sansho1 at August 21, 2006 9:26 AM

i still can't fully articulate my feelings about this film apart from outrageous metaphor: it was as though i was wandering the desert on hand and knee, and in the distance was an enormous tower. i crawled and crawled towards it but never got any closer because the tower was perfect, and we as humans are inherently flawed.

it was just perfect. flawless. immaculate. poetic. go see it. as the review mentioned, being properly ripped on whatever substances get you off makes the experience that much better.

Posted by: the-ian at August 21, 2006 10:52 AM

Great review! Hahahah! Of course this movie's bad...but the whole premise is hilarious and the phrase of the year for sure!

Posted by: Gina at August 21, 2006 3:26 PM

Awesome review for an awesome movie!!!! I always had a sneaking suspicion that SoaP would actually be a good movie and I wasn't disappointed! Scary, funny at times, and an altogether rollercoaster ride of adrenaline, fear and apprehension -- Snakes on a Plane muthafuckin delivers!

Posted by: Cuatro at August 21, 2006 5:05 PM

Alright, Dustin. I love you, but damn...

You know, I was willing to forgive the Stephen King bashing, but this is too much.

Look, maybe it's enjoyable for you guys to lump all Texans into the defective/degenerate category, but I take offense to the fact that the entire country is under the impression that we're all right wingers. It's irritating at best, and frankly, I find it insulting to myself as a reader that you would engender that sort of irresponsible generalization. While I will admit that the majority of people in my great state are sadly lacking in political acumen, I refuse to stand by and watch those of us who are informed and appalled by the state of our country be shuffled of by the entertainment industry as "conservatives".

Quit it. You guys make it harder for our voices to be heard every time you say it.

Posted by: Smokin at August 21, 2006 6:10 PM

You poor bastards in Japan have to wait for Feb 10th 2007 according to IMDB. As for me I only have to wait 8 more days before this baby is released in Belgium. Oh and awesome review by the way.

Posted by: Walks at August 21, 2006 9:16 PM

I have to confess I haven't seen this, and likely won't (serious fear of snake issues-don't even like to look at pictures of snakes, let alone bad CGI ones, and I have no idea why). But I am qualified to talk about crappy movies. Remember USA networks "Up all night"? I used to love that show, and only partly because of Rhonda Shear... Point being that you can make a crappy movie and have it be great, if you are intending only to make a great crappy movie. On the other hand, if you are trying to make "Citizen Kane", and wind up with "SoaP", then you have a problem. I recall watching "Mars Attacks!" with a friend, and loving it to death, while my friend commented at the end on how bad it was. My attitude was "do you really think they were trying to make a good movie?".

Oh, and I love the part in the review about turning the passengers into zombies. Can we get some internet hype going to add that into Snakes on a Train?

Posted by: Rob at August 21, 2006 10:48 PM

I loved your review, it made me laugh out loud repeatedly and on the strength of that, I WILL see this movie!
But duuude! Don't lump Army of Darkness in with the *so bad, it's good* movies! Ash is the KING, baby!

Posted by: Loob at August 22, 2006 12:00 PM

Props MaiGirl, for mentioning "Frankenhooker"! I LOOOVE that movie!
I also offer Dario Argento's "Demons" and "Demons 2", for the so bad it's good list.
And "Shakma"! Christopher Atkins and a homicidal baboon! It's pure bliss!

Posted by: Loob at August 22, 2006 12:22 PM

Music so bad it's good: I have two words for you: Wesley Willis.

SoaP is a movie that needs a theater full of crazy-ass people who are down with the movie. As much as I had 20 orgasms seeing the 10pm Thursday screening, I would never bother to watch it at home by myself. It doesn't even have the at-home-alone appeal of "Rocky Horror Picture Show", because it doesn't have sing-along songs... if it did, I might buy it. But sorry New Line, SoaP gets no more of my money until it's showing in the second-run theaters that also serve beer. That's gonna be awesome.

Posted by: terebi at August 22, 2006 4:59 PM

wesley willis died for your sins.

Posted by: the-ian at August 22, 2006 6:46 PM


I have been waiting all year to see this since I first saw the trailer back in March posted online & thought it HAD to be a joke!

S.O.A.P. is the perfect summer film, this is like something Pam Grier would have done in the 70's .
The best way I can describe SOAP is its "Airport 1975" meets "Anaconda" meets "Showgirls" by way of "Fantasy Island" , its just so ridiculous you HAVE to laff!! Holes in this story/plot line you can drive a truck thru!!

If anything ,the internet hype failed to perform to New Line's expectations , which leaves me to believe that most of the blogger crowd prefers to make parody posters & fake trailers rather than to pay to see this "so bad its brilliant" monstrosity. I feel that SOAP would have been an even bigger hit if a 10 min docu on this hype phenom. machine alone of www.snakesonablog.com has generated from the fans with all their aforementioned fake trailers & parody posters being included in either the beg.or end of the film. THAT is where the richest laughs are to be found, Snakes On Citizen Kane, WhiteSnake On A Plane ("Here I Go Again On My Muthafuckin Own!") SOAP 2: Jellyfish In A LaundryMat (Tide's Going OUT Muthafuckah!")

S.O.A.P. is right up there with all the good bad greats of cinema.
Valley Of The Dolls
Showgirls
Frogs
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band .
Alien Factor
Skidoo!
Mommie Dearest
Xanadu

Camp is something that usually just happens by accident when the dramatic becomes the sublimely ridiculous, as is the case with most titles above, but now we have people setting out to make the worlds worst movie & halfway ssssuc-ceeding.

Yes, I agree with above posts, SOAP is an EVENT film best enjoyed @ a drive in movie , or late nite weekend showing with 70+ stoned college kids, you cant stop laughing/cheering/screaming/cringing
GO SEE THIS MOVIE IN THE THEATRE !!!

Lighten up & LAFF most of these shit films that are out now take them selves so seriously , & are far worse than SOAP without any of the tongue in cheek irony that it has.

Posted by: DJ Tenn. at August 22, 2006 6:56 PM

Couldn't drag my better half to see it, so I went alone. Turns out, I got a private showing. It was a hoot! Certainly had lots of grossness for the money.

Posted by: CJ at August 23, 2006 12:32 AM

Yeah. You had me at: “Gimme some sugar, baby.”

Posted by: MRod at August 23, 2006 1:20 PM

Forever will I laught to Vanilla Ices classic line "Drop the zero and get with the hero". And I thought i was the only one who saw that movie lmao

Posted by: Vode at August 23, 2006 8:38 PM

As an art school dropout, I've certainly seen my share of "so bad it's bad" art embraced and hyped to the sky. Most of what's considered "highbrow" nowadays--in literature, in relatively-popular music, in art--is just cynical whiny nonsense, without even the saving grace of a sense of humor. Anyone still spooked by the notion that something bad can really be great needs to stop taking themselves so seriously, and rejoin the human race. There's inevitably going to be a percentage of crap made. Why not make it fun crap?

And on that note, I give you: Richard Cheese, /Lounge Against the Machine/

Posted by: Violetta at August 23, 2006 10:46 PM

Re: "The blogging world, after all, is meant to be the 52nd state; a nice blend of Jersey trash, Massachusetts intellectualism, and a big dose of the New Hampshire fuck-off mentality (well, except for the right-wing bloggers — that’s all Texas)."

The internet is not America, nor is America the internet. Blogging, whilst being the pastime of so many overweight Twinkie stuffers, is not restricted to the walled garden you like to think the US is. The rest of the world has dragged itself kicking and screaming into the 21st Century (though god knows how without the Divine Intervention of Saviour Bush) and we blog!

Thank you and goodnight!

Posted by: WandringSoul at August 24, 2006 9:16 AM

Just here to report to that I'm late to the Snakes game - absolutely hysterical. I don't know which part I liked the best - I really don't. I LOVED the part where the kid drew the shitty picture of the snake and then the expert used it at the end. Comic gold.

Posted by: Samantha T at August 27, 2006 9:04 AM

went to see this movie last nite totally drunk and loved it, got rowdy and loud and almost caused a fight with the people in front of me, but instead i just yelled GET ROWDY!!! haha it was so amazing it was the best movie ever

most times i've ever clapped at a movie

it was amazing, and i just wish there were more rowdy people in the theater, it's just that kind of movie

Posted by: loved it at August 27, 2006 4:28 PM

Saw it two weeks ago and Mr. Rowles says every single thing that went through my head while I saw it. Haven't had that much fun at the movies in ages. And yeah, you won't care that crowd is in a raucous--not like you're missing English-Patient-like dialog. You SHALL feel the anticipation when the movie finally snakes its way (heh) to Sammy MF Jackson's famous line, as the whole audience yells along in perfect chorus. Yeah, a couple of people couldn't stomach the gore, but what does it say about their eternal souls if THOSE special effects communicated anything but raw comedy?

It's simply the best time at the movies EVER. I am so looking forward to SoaP Part The Sequel.

Posted by: n i k e at September 6, 2006 12:48 AM

'What about eating a horrid meal at a bad restaurant? I don't know about you, but I won't be back, and I won't sit there picking my teeth afterwords saying something like, "Well, that meal sucked, but hey, it was sooo bad I'm going to puke, so it was worth it."'

Never had the Monte Cristo at Bennigan's, eh?

Posted by: Susan at September 13, 2006 2:33 PM