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Quantum of Solace / Ted Boynton

Film Reviews | November 14, 2008 | Comments (99)


My missus has an expression she sometimes uses after seeing movies like Quantum of Solace, a sort of left-handed compliment referring more to the state of the film industry than to any specific representative of it: “Well,” she’ll say, “That was better than 90% of the shit we usually see.”

Quantum of Solace is better than 90% of the shit we usually see, yet the film leaves behind a distinct feeling of what might have been. Alternating exhilarating moments of inspiration with disappointingly derivative sequences reminiscent of a Bourne Identity knock-off, Quantum stands strongly rooted in the brazen charisma of James Bond messiah Daniel Craig but still struggles to maintain its identity separate from the cartoonish self-parodies of the Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan eras. Director Marc Forster seems to specialize in these exercises in ambivalence, with films such as Stranger Than Fiction and Finding Neverland simultaneously displaying a solid grasp of filmmaking art while never quite finding their groove to leave a lasting impression. Yet Quantum ends as a worthwhile endeavor, if for no other reason than, hey, there’s Daniel Craig in a $5,000 suit kicking much ass, real hard.

Quantum picks up immediately where Bond left off in Craig’s freshman effort, Casino Royale. Bond has just captured Mr. White, the apparent mastermind behind the organization that caused the death of Bond’s Casino Royale paramour, British Treasury agent Vesper Lynd. Opening with the de rigueur action setpiece, Quantum has Bond escaping from Mr. White’s henchmen in a kinetic chase scene through the hills of north-central Italy, culminating in a reunion at Siena with Bond’s superior, M (Judy Dench), to investigate the underpinnings of Mr. White’s organization. They quickly realize they have seen only the tip of the iceberg, one tentacle of an outlaw espionage network with disturbing power, access, and complexity.

Tasked with tracking Dominic Greene, a wealthy super-criminal and associate of Mr. White posing as an environmental activist, Bond leaps into intercontinental pursuit, literally with a vengeance, motivated by his confused rage over Vesper’s betrayal and death as much as by his duty. Bond soon encounters a fellow traveler on the road to revenge, breathtakingly gorgeous operative Camille (Olga Kurylenko), as she stalks one of Greene’s business associates to settle an old score. Among Quantum’s strengths is Kurylenko’s surprisingly strong turn as a genuine dramatic counterweight to Bond; in the trailers Kurylenko smacked strongly of achingly bad “Bond girl” acting, but she turns out a worthy successor to Eva Green as an important player on the chessboard — eye candy to be sure, but fortified with nine essential vitamins and minerals.

The supporting players range from adequate to strong, with Giancarlo Giannini standing out in reprising his role as an Italian operative who provides crucial support to Bond when British intelligence disavows its rampaging agent. Dench, excellent as usual, has quickly become nearly as essential to the New Bond as Craig and looks more every year like an icily worrisome Siamese cat, rendering her perfect as Bond’s exasperated yet maternal handler.

Alas, those hoping Quantum would continue to pyramid on the innovative changes in style and narrative brought in Casino Royale will likely be disappointed, as Quantum relies much more heavily on reprising the look and feel of the Jason Bourne series. While still a vast improvement over the schlocky likes of The World Is Not Enough, the latest entry’s bag of tricks mainly consists of bits we’ve seen before, from close quarters martial artistry heavily reminiscent of The Bourne Identity to a rooftop chase scene borrowing liberally from … well, The Bourne Ultimatum. More often than not, Quantum successfully melds the Bourne grit with the flamboyant international espionage motif of 1960s Bond entries such as Dr. No. The failures are noticeable and distracting, however, not to mention quite frustrating because skilled action directors typically avoid them.

Perhaps the most disappointing aspect of the second film in the James Bond “reboot” is that it falls into the same visual trap as the second Bourne film: Unable to conjure more inventive action sequences, Quantum falls back on transparently gimmicky editing tricks, i.e., the jumpy camera work and frenetically choppy sequences that weak action directors mistake for “edgy.” For example, where the foot chase scene opening Casino Royale offered bold, steady tracking shots showing mesmerizing stunt work and flinch-worthy hand-to-hand combat, Quantum too often trots out the nauseating Quake-o-Vision style of The Bourne Supremacy.

The writing is also somewhat choppy and inconsistent, with occasional gaping holes in the plotting. Obviously no one expects cinéma verité from a Bond film, but Casino Royale proved that the suspension of disbelief need not be so extreme that one must accept just any nonsensical occurrence. Craig’s Bond is supposed to be the new Sean Connery, the rugged, two-fisted spy who provides extraordinary abilities in an ordinary world. To be fair, Quantum fitfully delivers on this promise, most notably in the way Bond displays the physical wounds acquired in his physical encounters. Craig spends most of the movie squinting and grimacing through lacerations and bruises on his face and arms; when he fights, he and his clothes typically end up a bloody mess, and the film is much the better for it — has anyone ever looked better for having had the hell beat out of him than Daniel Craig? Craig skulks through the movie as a lean, grim emissary of death, even in the intimate character moments — as a shirtless Bond chats with Mathis in a hotel room, his muscled torso is a map of the brutalities visited upon it both in this film and the last.

In contrast, Bond’s encounters with his targets occasionally feel overly contrived, as if someone — Haggis! — decided, apropos of nothing, “We just really need a confusingly staged boat chase right here.” Possibly more damaging, the big plot payoff showing the villains’ nefarious ends mildly undermines Quantum’s gravity, as the reveals designed to show us the depths of their depravity more strongly indicate that England sent a Bond sledge to do the work of a Barney Fife tackhammer. (**SPOILER**: I mean, really — the United States has spent the last five years destroying a country over a relatively meager oil supply; would we really allow some low-rent Aristotle Onassis wannabe to monopolize the water supply?)

In the end, however, Quantum gets it mostly right, continuing the central theme of Bond-as-blunt-instrument. I initially reacted negatively when Quantum seemed to go derivative on its own mythology, with villains so well-connected that Bond is forced, yet again, to go rogue against his own government to fight them. Bond’s decisions echo the flagrant disregard for orders and near-pathological disdain for established rules of the espionage game, just as in Casino Royale. On further reflection, I realized that Bond’s renegade nature is the part where Quantum maintains a critical continuity. The Daniel Craig iteration of Bond may not realistically portray espionage, but this depiction has the stones to grapple with the philosophical dilemma of using ultra-competent covert operatives to accomplish what legitimate diplomacy and lawful police work cannot.

Craig’s Bond is an expensive, unpredictable super-weapon, and as with a nuclear missile or a biological WMD, nasty collateral consequences nearly always occur when he is deployed. He burns through assets at an alarming rate, leaves a shocking wake of dead bodies, and kills with a near-psychopathic affect. At one point, after defeating an assassin in hand-to-hand combat on a balcony, Bond dispassionately knifes the man in a major artery and calmly holds him down while he bleeds out, all the while peering over the railing, expressionless, to ensure that no one has seen him. Quantum may not be the reality of government espionage, but its ruthless examination of the type of person required to do it provides the critical foundation that has rendered Bond relevant again. It’s an enjoyable film that is true enough to the new Bond spirit to give hope for more meaningful entries in the future.

Ted Boynton is a dedicated sot who plans to leave his barstool to stalk Whit Stillman, now that someone has found Whit Stillman. Ted also manages to hold down a job and a wife, three hours each per day, whether they need it or not. Readers may scold, hector, admonish or taunt Ted by e-mailing him at thecarygrantrules@hotmail.com.


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Comments

"...derivative sequences reminiscent of a Bourne Identity knock-off..."

Sorry Bubba but let's just get one thing clear, if anything is a derivative/knock-off here it is BOURNE.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 14, 2008 3:07 PM

Meh, I'll take a Bourne over a Bond anytime. I don't get the appeal.

Posted by: becks at November 14, 2008 3:09 PM

I guess I'm a dinosaur, in that I much prefer the Bond films of days gone by. And perhaps I'm alone, but I adored Roger Moore in the role. Not a fan of the big-boom Bond; frenetic-pace Bond, not-so-charming Bond. I loved the old quirky humor.

All that said, I'll still likely see this at some point.

Posted by: Cindy at November 14, 2008 3:12 PM

As long as the groan-worthy one-liners of the Brosnan Era haven't resurfaced, there's pretty much no way they could screw up this year's installment of James Bond: Make Tammy Want To Take Her Pants Off for Sexy Damaged Brit in Tuxedo (Electric Boogaloo).

That said, I'm glad it actually still kind of holds up to criticism, and I won't solely be relying on my desire to chew on Daniel Craig's lower lip to keep me entertained.

Posted by: Tammy at November 14, 2008 3:12 PM

First?

I will still see it, but it sounds disappointing.

Posted by: Eva at November 14, 2008 3:13 PM

Obviously no one expects cinéma verité from a Bond film, but Casino Royale proved that the suspension of disbelief need not be so extreme that one must accept just any nonsensical occurrence.

That brings to mind something I once heard Marion Zimmer Bradley wrote on a rejection letter: "Suspension of disbelief should not require hanging it by the neck until dead."

Posted by: Tyburn Blossom at November 14, 2008 3:16 PM

I agree: Bourne, anytime

Posted by: Mario at November 14, 2008 3:16 PM

Interestingly, the first review of this film I read was supplied by the Ecumenical News and Information Service (don't even ask me to explain) and they gave it a glowing review for raising the water monopoly issue as a the next big war trigger. Who knew Bond would become so political? It won't last though: by the time Craig is ready for another, the evil Societ empire will be re-established. Plus ca change.....

Posted by: PaddyDog at November 14, 2008 3:17 PM

Me, I'm a relative newcomer to the whole Bond thing, unlike ladyhelmet who was raised on Bond marathons. She just can't accept Craig. I see Craig as finally bringing (what little I know of Bond) the series to a more grounded, realismic, dirty gritty feel. I've been looking forward to this one for a while, and if it knocks off Bourne's style then that's fine with me, I'm not as emotionally invested in a specific Bond theme. As long as there's hot chicks and fights I won't complain too loud. I've got free tickets to this one so I won't mind the plot holes too much. Thanks in advance, Boozehound!

Posted by: lordhelmet at November 14, 2008 3:18 PM

Maybe it suffered from my self-built hype, but I was very disappointed. I still think Craig is fantastic & so, so hot. I like the darkness. However, I thought the plot was dumb & rather boring, I didn't think Olga was all that good and for the love of all things holy can someone please made directors just stop with the shaky camera action scenes. Really. Just. Stop.

Maybe I'll like it more when I watch it back-to-back with Casino Royale on DVD.

Posted by: Smello at November 14, 2008 3:20 PM

No offense Mr. Boynton, but I don't know anything about you. I don't know what you do for a living and I don't know how you make your money. I will wait for Rowles review.

Posted by: Pookie at November 14, 2008 3:21 PM

Sorry, sorry, but this review is basically a slam-job. The reviewer obviously has a hard-on for the Bourne series, and decided to unload on poor Bond here.

/shame on you

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 14, 2008 3:23 PM

I don't know, I still miss Pierce Brosnan. There's just no Bond like your first Bond, I guess. That said, I'll certainly watch it at some point, so it's good to hear that it's better than 90% of what's out there....

Hey, long time no see, Boynton--good to have you back!

Posted by: meaux at November 14, 2008 3:40 PM

Mr. Boynton, all we (I) really care about is if there are any more delicious cocktails to try. You left us (me) hanging!

Posted by: Snath at November 14, 2008 3:41 PM

Yeah, what Snath said. Gad, in a Bond movie review no less! Travesty!

Posted by: meaux at November 14, 2008 3:45 PM

Here's an idea: Next time you guys want to do a retrospective, do one of all the Bond films.

Personally I prefer Connery. I've found that if a person liked the cartoonish Brosnan or Moore...they never understood the larger picture of Bond.

The cinematic Bond is supposed to be a cold blooded killer. A patriotic, British narcassistic psychotic with a borderline personality disorder is not far from the truth. Bond never regrets is kills, and his pithy comments (at least Connery's) were chilling.

Remember the party in the Carribean where the girl set him up and he spins her so she gets shot in the back? He puts her in a seat behind party goers and says I believe:

"Forgive my wife...she's just dead" smiles and walks away.

Bond will have sex for king and country because its a perk...but he only cares about Bond and supporting the regime that shows him loyalty and lets him live well. That was why M was exasperated with him; Bond was a killer who liked to put on airs of humanity. That's why Moore and Remmington Steele sucked so bad...they made bond...nice.

Nice Assassin...yeah, that works.

Its interesting that when done old school, Bond is always just his loyalty away from being put away for a long long time. He's a murderer who gets to kill for perks: That's what the 00 is all about for him. Kill, good food, screw women, protected by the UK.

Bourne is totally different: He's Bond if Bond suddenly got a conscience, developed style (cause Bond likes what he believes is high style that does not connotate a style) and decides to settle down. Bourne kills because he must but will avoid killing if possible. He is indifferent to the perks and only wants to be left alone. Bourne won't drive a fancy car cause Bourne just wants to get the job done and live in piece.

Technically...I bet Bourne would hate Bond and see him as a derranged killer who should be killed. Bond is random and off the cuff; Bourne is not:

"Bourne is not random...They don't do random"

Its funny because of the two I think Bourne would roll up an issue of Esquire Magazine and beat Bond to death. Then use a Bond gadget to blow up the scene to cover his tracks. (You could almost argue he's killed a version of Bound and XXX in his films already.)

While Moby played in the background.

Posted by: CB at November 14, 2008 3:45 PM

**Sorry, sorry, but this review is basically a slam-job. The reviewer obviously has a hard-on for the Bourne series, and decided to unload on poor Bond here.**

Um, are you high or just being facetious? Try searching "Casino Royale" and "boozehound" to get a sense of the warm hard-on I have for Daniel Craig and the Bond series, from the very first boozehound guide. I respect what you bring to the table, Slim, but don't rag on me from a place of ignorance. It doesn't become you.

Posted by: ted boynton at November 14, 2008 3:47 PM

This is another franchise (Star Trek) that I think should have been left in my father's day. What used to be witty, intelligent movies with a healthy dollop of action are now just explosionfests, barely-concealed tits with a poor dosage of badly-translated plot. It's almost as though the books they are being based off of aren't being read by the guys who pen the crap.

People should have let this die a long time ago.

Posted by: Dagon at November 14, 2008 3:50 PM

Oh no he didn't!! Boynton you want to go to war?

Posted by: Pookie at November 14, 2008 3:52 PM

I have always been a fan of Bond, and I absolutely love Daniel Craig in the role. I like his realism, darkness and dangerous sexuality. So I will definitely be seeing this one.

And as for Bourne, I just don't get it. Matt Damon looks like he should be cramming for his Econ final rather than killing people all over Central Europe.

Posted by: Adrienne at November 14, 2008 3:53 PM

fine review and the comment regarding the gimmicky editing is particularly appropriate as it killed the 3rd in the bourne series. why the need to take a political dig at the u.s.a. for destroying a country over a meager supply of oil? you are entitled to your erroneous opinion but we are talking about a movie review here. who needs the predictable political slant?

Posted by: snake at November 14, 2008 3:57 PM

But that's the beauty of Bourne, Adrienne. He's unassuming, an everyman. Just a kid, practically. He's fucked in the head and it's the government's fault; he just wants to be a normal guy. I like that about Bourne.

Posted by: Snath at November 14, 2008 4:00 PM

I see you came back to annoy us even more, Mr. Plissken.

Posted by: Pookie at November 14, 2008 4:04 PM

I very un-begrudgingly ate the required crow after I loved, loved, LOVED Daniel Craig and Casino Royale but I'm afraid QoS left me disappointed.

Not to mention dizzy, very dizzy, from the intentionally shaky cameras and the too-quick editing. The chase scene through the construction site at the beginning of Casino Royale was breathtaking; a scene using scaffolding and pulleys in this one was just confusing. I couldn't figure out who was doing what to whom.

And I'm sorry, but Olga Kurylenko shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Eva Green (a woman I'd do in a heartbeat; while elbowing Mr Neon out of my way, no doubt).

Kudos, though, for the Goldfinger visual shout-out in the movie. It's a wee little unimportant moment, as far as the plot goes, but I liked it.

Posted by: Neon at November 14, 2008 4:09 PM

Sigh. Has anyone READ the Bond books? All I can think of is the first time I read Dr. No - Dr. No's cover story is that he is in the islands harvesting guano to sell for fertilizer or something and in the end Bond kills him by burying him in a giant pile of guano. BIRD SHIT PEOPLE. I know some of the in-between ones were over-the-top with gadgets and puns but you have to remember these were not serious spy novels to start with.

And I will totally see this and bitch about the choppy editing after. That was my main peeve with the Bourne movies too. I don't want to be motion sick thank you very much.

Posted by: Anne (in Reno) at November 14, 2008 5:07 PM

Daniel Craig in a $5,000 suit kicking much ass, real hard

... in my pants.

That is all. Seeing it tonight.

Posted by: MG at November 14, 2008 5:12 PM

Posted by: ted boynton at November 14, 2008 3:47 PM


How am I ignorant? What? 'cause you wrote a good review a while back?

I'm talking about this one, sport. All/most of your criticisms are based on Bourne comparisons AND its superiority.

I stand by my post, and I don't give a rat's ass how becoming you think it is.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 14, 2008 5:30 PM

I'll take a ditto on MG's comment. Verbatim.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at November 14, 2008 5:31 PM

Bond is always just his loyalty away from being put away for a long long time. He's a murderer who gets to kill for perks: That's what the 00 is all about for him. Kill, good food, screw women, protected by the UK.

Exactly, so how is this interesting? I have never understood wanting to watch either this version or the "nice spy" version. He's either someone who likes killing first/perks second or perks first/killing second. Who cares why he's doing these things if Bond doesn't care? "For your country" isn't interesting enough for me.

The Craig version sounds different, but then it's not Bond. They may as well have called him Thomas Crane: 008. Centering the story around M would be more interesting to me. Is she proud or ashamed of what she does (or both)? How does she handle the different spies with their (hopefully) conflicting personalities? Do her superiors know/care about how the 00s complete missions?

Posted by: Three-nineteen at November 14, 2008 5:37 PM

My parents had no business letting me watch as much James Bond as they did when I was a kid, but I grew up with the stuff. Connery and Brosnan were my favorites and I hated Moore. I'm surprised Dalton didn't get the #6 spot for prettiest Bond Lady.

I like Connery because he was old school gruff. Even under the polish of a white tuxedo jacket he couldn't hid his gristle. I like that in a man/assassin. I liked Brosnan cause he was hokey and cute and had some of my favorite watches.

Bourne kicked ass for entirely different reasons. He was aching and vulnerable, but his every man qualities were so eerily adept at making him the perfect black-ops guy.

When Craig got christened, I was originally nervous, but now I'll admit he wears the crown rather well. I think the greatest testament to any actor is his ability to bring something to a role to create depth, especially in a franchise this long running. I can't wait to see this on Sunday with the Mom.

Thanks for the review (and subsequent warnings).

Posted by: Kayanne at November 14, 2008 5:38 PM

BSlim you are so right in your assessment of Boynton's review, the balls on this fucking guy to suggest that somehow you are ignorant because you didn't bow down and kiss his ring.

Posted by: Pookie at November 14, 2008 5:45 PM

Anne(in Reno) Guano is BAT shit actually... that is all.

Posted by: Popsi_zen at November 14, 2008 5:47 PM

Oh and I forgot to add:

*With all due respect.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 14, 2008 5:49 PM

Questions of personal preference aside, anyone who thinks Craig was mis-cast is a fool who has mistaken ossification for firmness.

Posted by: firedmyass at November 14, 2008 5:52 PM

has anyone ever looked better for having had the hell beat out of him than Daniel Craig?

I'd argue for Brad Pitt in Fight Club, but I may have issues.

My first Bond experience was with Connery. Sean Connery remains my favorite Bond. I hated Brosnan and feel that he is part of the worst movies of the entire Bond series. I was hesitant about Craig, but he did win me over with the excellent and over-the-top awesome that was Casino Royale.

Bond kills indiscriminately, bangs anything hot with boobs, and has no regrets. That is the appeal of Bond. It is escapism, pure and simple.

I will be seeing this next weekend as I have a test to study for this weekend.

Posted by: Melody at November 14, 2008 5:54 PM

Good for you BSlim, motherfucker comin round here talkin shit bout some review he wrote a long time ago. Young whippersnapper trying to make his bones.

Posted by: Pookie at November 14, 2008 5:57 PM

has anyone ever looked better for having had the hell beat out of him than Daniel Craig?


Harrison Ford.

"It's not the years, honey -- it's the mileage."

Posted by: Three-nineteen at November 14, 2008 6:06 PM

Pookie - You're such a fucking asshole. I love it.

Posted by: sosumi at November 14, 2008 6:12 PM

sosumi that has already been established a long time ago, do you have any more nuggets you care to share with us?

Posted by: Pookie at November 14, 2008 6:43 PM

The worst Bond was Dalton. Timothy Dalton, the one everyone forgets because he sucked so hard.

And Harrison Ford just looks old now. Yeah, I said it.

Posted by: TWoP Fan at November 14, 2008 6:57 PM

the one everyone forgets

Aren't you forgetting George Lazenby?

Crow T. Robot, whose opinion I trust, decrees that he is the worst Bond (though I still don't think he or his movie were awful. That'd be Neal Connery in "Operation Double 007". It is all, in the words of Angus James, quite bad).

When sixty-six years old you reach...

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2008 7:10 PM

And Harrison Ford just looks old now. Yeah, I said it.

That's because he IS old. He is still damn fine for his age. Get back to me in 25 years when Daniel Craig is over 65. Guy looks older than his true age right now (but still hot).

Posted by: Three-nineteen at November 14, 2008 7:27 PM

The one everyone forgets is not Dalton.
The one everyone forgets is George Lazenby.
The one who forgets where he is is Action Grandpa: Roger Moore, but that's Alzheimer's for you.

And all you Connery fans are forgetting or forgiving him for fucking Never Say Never Again. He literally made that movie TWICE - it's exactly the same as Thunderball, except Thunderball didn't have the shitty vector graphics video game with the electroshock controllers. Since I watched all the Bond movies in order, NSNA was the last one I saw with Connery (released simultaneously with Octopussy by a different studio), and it really left a terrible taste in my mouth in re: Connery. I guess I should go back and watch the oldies again.

I'll agree that Brosnan's Bond oeuvre is mostly terrible, but fucking GOLDENEYE is fucking AWESOME. No one ever makes exceptions for Goldeneye, preferring to remember Brosnan driving a superAudi through an ice palace with Hallie Barre or blowing up Jonathan Pryce's stealth boat or recreating an episode of Neon Genesis Evangelion versus a numb Russian.

If everyone can ignore Connery's horrible NSNA abortion, people should also make an exception for Goldeneye.

GOLDENEYE rules.

Posted by: Bucko at November 14, 2008 7:34 PM

I'm with Adrienne on both accounts. Yeah, the Bourne series was exciting, but I always felt like Damon was a little green looking for a crazybadasssuperassasin. Until the third one where he looked sleep-deprived and strung out and just generally pissed off about having to be so fucking crazybasasssuperassasin.

Craig has that quality about him that says he would fuck the wild blue spit out of me but quick as a lark, just as easily beat my face in side out. That, my friends, makes for a good 00.

Cillian Murphy is another actor who oozes sex but also oozes the feeling that if I crossed him he might poke the eyes out of all his pictures of me and sit outside my house in the middle of the night.

Posted by: Alabamapink at November 14, 2008 8:01 PM

Anne(in Reno) Guano is BAT shit actually... that is all.

Posted by: Popsi_zen at November 14, 2008 5:47 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano

nope, seabird in this case.

Posted by: Anne (in Reno) at November 14, 2008 8:10 PM

I totally agree with Bucko, Goldeneye was the first Bond movie I saw, and was my favorite until I saw Casino Royale.

Posted by: Snath at November 14, 2008 8:46 PM

This movie is about the dark side of James Bond..

Posted by: anggawawo.wordpress.com at November 15, 2008 12:01 AM

Godfuckingdammitshit! The only reason I wanted to see this was for the action scenes, and if they're all shaky-cammed there might as well not be any action scenes at all because you can't fucking see anything when the cameraman gets epilepsy. I couldn't bear the Bourne movies any time the characters decided to stop glaring silently at eachother, or at the phones they were talking to eachother on, and did anything that could fall under the category of 'action' all I could glean was the occasional shot of a fist or a grimace or a stab wound with some loud thuds overlaid. Shaky cam makes me want to punch some urethras.

Posted by: James at November 15, 2008 6:23 AM

I saw this last night.
1.) Craig is the best Bond since Connery because he plays him with more than a touch of the brute. The other Bonds were slick but too sissy.
2.) Craig is the best Bond since Connery because he is a real actor.
3.) The movie really should have went into more detail about tis secret global bad guy organization. The gravity of what Bond was up against was not properly represented. That's why we walked away thinking "would we really allow some low-rent Aristotle Onassis wannabe to monopolize the water supply?)"
4.) Who was that guy? I can vaguely remember him in some other movie playing a member of a secret family who specialized in selling information to bond-like operatives. Was that a Borne movie? There was scene with him and his whole family on their gorgeous estate having a huge decadent meal on a outdoor table, right? That was him? He was GREAT.
5.) JEFFREY WRIGHT. I have loved that guy since Shaft. Motherfuck.

Posted by: Ada Haze at November 15, 2008 6:36 AM

Let's just be clear on one thing:

There is NOTHING wrong with the "second Bourne", aka Bourne Supremacy. Nothing.

Posted by: MFS at November 15, 2008 7:31 AM

Ada You are thinking of Munich. The baddie in QOS was the French information supplier in that movie.

Posted by: Alabamapink at November 15, 2008 8:38 AM

I heard that there was another Jason Bourne movie in the works, the plot revolves around Bourne becoming a minister. The title is tentatively called "Bourne Again."

Posted by: Pookie at November 15, 2008 9:48 AM

After the movie, my first thought was what the hell was that! I believed that I had walked into a Bourne movie by mistake. Who was the introspective,wounded soul spy on the screen. What happened to Q and his gadgets? What happened to the capture and skin of the teeth escapes? What he hell was the girl dipped in oil? Did Goldfinger switch to petroleum and make a comeback? The worst Bond movie ever!!!! If they continue down this road, they can save some money and bring back George Lazenby.

Posted by: paul at November 15, 2008 10:59 AM

My only true criticism of the movie: too short!

OK, a bit more:

Craig's Bond is the exact opposite of Brosnan's. It has to be. This is Bond at the start (This movie is a continuation of Casino Royale). He hasn't learned how to detach himself personally from his professional life. There's an interesting duality between this movie and License to Kill (the other Bond-out-for-vengeance movie) where we see how mean Bond can get when hurt personally.

But I did feel like the action sequences were too stuck together. You need those character and story moments to let the action breathe AND to flesh out your points. Maybe another 15 minutes would have given us a greater sense of Quantum and how Bond is growing.

I await what comes next in the Craig series.

Posted by: Fredo at November 15, 2008 12:12 PM

You know, it's hard for me to keep from claiming to want everybody's bones when there's so much rampant beefcake flying around these parts.

But...anyway, I've only ever watched Goldeneye and Casino Royale of the Bond franchise, as it's never been my cup of tea. I honestly only watched CR because of the tiny bathing suit scene, but I was pleasantly surprised by it. Craig really has a huge screen presence and I like the Bond he's created.

That being said it sounds like I won't like this one much. Aside from the ridiculous name (is THAT explained in the movie?) I'm not a huge fan of gimmicky editing, it makes me dizzy.

And then I read 'shirtless Bond' and damnit, I'm so watching this tonight. Argh.

Posted by: figgy at November 15, 2008 12:16 PM

[i]Pookie [i] you just made me spit my tea all over my keyboard with that last comment. Damn you!

I loved this film whilst watching it (except for the frenetic editing - what's the point in spending so much money on great action scenes only to make it so no-one can see a thing?!), but I couldn't remember a thing about it after coming out of the cinema. Especially since Craig only had his shirt off for about 10 seconds, so I didn't have enough time to ogle properly. BOO.

Posted by: Squeeziee at November 15, 2008 12:31 PM

I really need to preview these things before I post.

I meant:

"claiming to JUMP everybody's bones" up there.

Obvs.

Posted by: figgy at November 15, 2008 12:32 PM

Sorry Bubba but let's just get one thing clear, if anything is a derivative/knock-off here it is BOURNE.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 14, 2008 3:07 PM

Thanks for letting us all know what we should and shouldn't be clear about. If it wasn't for you, how else would we know?

Posted by: RAT at November 15, 2008 2:48 PM

@Figgy:
"Wanting everybody's bones" sounded so sufficiently dirty and just right for these here parts that I personally didn't even bat an eyelash at it.

Posted by: AdaHaze at November 15, 2008 2:51 PM

NOOO, thank you!

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 15, 2008 2:51 PM

@Figgy:
"Wanting everybody's bones" sounded so sufficiently dirty and just right for these here parts that I personally didn't even bat an eyelash at it.

Posted by: AdaHaze at November 15, 2008 2:52 PM

Some people seem to have hit the problems with the film right on the head. The fast paced jerky action fighting sequences are definitely here to stay, because they put you in the fight. In fact, this was the first Bond movie where it actually looked like he was getting painfully beaten on the regular.

Bond is gadgets, always has been...and they're supposed to be ridiculous and borderline unbelievable, that's part of Bond's magic.

Also Bond movies are episodic...that means that the only question you should have left at the end is 'well how did he leave her hotel room without her noticing.' You shouldn't be asking yourself what that other dude who supposedly worked for the British government was doing before Bond dropped him on the car. You shouldn't be wondering exactly who or what Quantum is.

One last gripe...hydrogen fuel cells putting him in the final battle? That has nothing to do with elaborate satellite wars, laser shuttles going into space...Bond was never caught and held close to death while being told the plot, only to be left for dead to escape.

It's great that people don't like the Bond style of movies, that's why they make other awesome spy series...but please stop demanding that Bond films become anything other than what Ian Fleming created.

Posted by: Peters at November 15, 2008 3:25 PM

Just wondering what the "stationery" line was all about....anyone? And what happened to Mr. White?

Posted by: Danengle at November 15, 2008 3:54 PM

I grew up with the franchise from Connery and now Craig. Craig is my favorite, he a the Bond for the 21st century, a brutal, ferocious, blunt force instrument unleased in a tuxedo. It is a thing of beauty to behold.

Just got back from seeing the new Bond film. I thought it was very good. It works better as a pure drama which is perfectly fine with me.

It is probably the most ruminative Bond film ever to make it to the screen. Not that Craig sits around navel-gazing but his brutality, his sense of duty, his dogged and single-minded pursuit of answers and evildoers is an indirect expression of his loss. But it is not all just about Vesper, this is more than a revenge flick.

We now have linked Bond films, each one building on and pushing forward the next. I love this concept, some may feel this is a "lesser" film than Casino Royale, I think not. It served its purpose of givng the film goers notice that we are about to embark on a darker and more realistic journey than we ever conceived in a Bond series.

P.S. Let's put an end to this "derivative Bourne" crap. Craig's Bond would bitch slap Bourne's emo ass and make him cry like a little girl, than he'd asked him to do it again.

Posted by: allheavens at November 15, 2008 3:54 PM

Sorry, "he is a Bond for the 21st" and "unleashed" in a tuxedo, spell check anyone?

Posted by: allheavens at November 15, 2008 4:01 PM

*Full Disclosure: I love the Bourne series.

BUT,

What some people seem to be forgetting, is that before the "fast paced jerky fights" that some seem to only associate with the Bourne series there was:

*the fight in the Jamaican(?) hut in Dr. No
*the fight on the train in From Russia With Love
*the fights (including) underwater from Thunderball
I'm pretty sure there's more, those were just, off the top of my head.

ALL were fast, brutal and the camera wasn't focused at all. They were QUICK, BAM! the "jerky" cam is just the latest twist, Bond fights were already like that, since the fucking sixties.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 15, 2008 4:04 PM

Crap, I've been gone all week. Ted, (or anyone else who saw the movie) where does the VLT (Very Large Telescope) fit into the plot? I have no intention of seeing this, except by accident if it ever hits TV, so I don't mind spoilers.

Posted by: BWeaves at November 15, 2008 7:28 PM

OK so actually having seen it, I was definitely jarred by the quick cuts, it was a bit much and made the chase and fight scenes less impressive than I thought they should have been. The plot was definitely thin, even for a Bond movie, but I am assuming that the global organization of bad guys was supposed to be our intro to SPECTRE? Or is that something different?

I also kept getting the feeling like whenever Marc Forster felt like taking a day off he'd call in random directors to fill in for a day...like Michael Bay directed the car chase when the coffins fell off the trailer, John Woo directed the fight scene juxtaposed with Tosca...that was a bit weird. I did like his interactions with M in this one though. Just was kind of underwhelmed after being excited about this one (and a fan of the Bond franchise from way back)

But still...Daniel Craig in a $5000 suit, beating much ass, real hard.

In my pants.

Still applies.

Posted by: MG at November 15, 2008 7:39 PM

Hey, this comment thread was all great to read, like they usually are, and I had a LOT of catching up to do since I slept all the way through Wednesday and Thursday (good way of detoxing), but after 1) catching up and 2) reading the best arguments I could expect from a website regarding the Bond/Bourne series (excellent points, all), and admittedly my ignorance of the 40+ year old Bond series in its entirety, (other than absolutely hating Roger Moore in the role), is very limited indeed. Please don't hate on me for that.

But as Hank Hill would say, "I'll tell you what": I'm taking a wild guess that the 'Transporter 3' release is going to out-awesome both of these other franchises (maybe not in ticket sales, but in collective memory), and maybe become the new trifectologically perfect action series, notwithstanding that the first two movies alone could stand as a single entity, but surely we're just in for more perfect and--whhhoooaaahhhh mule, maybe I'm getting way ahead of myself here **genuinely trying to calm down**

Lemme jus conclude that I look more forward to the Statham flick than what these other pretenders to the "action" throne are hurling about now, kind of like how I believe 'Iron Man' is somehow going to be more entertaining than 'The Dark Knight', which I have yet to see, so that's my yet-to-be-informed opinion.

So, Fuck the 'Bourne's and 'Bond's for now, peeps: let's see how the 'Transporter' movie is going to be, and I'll be the first to apologize if it turns out to be a disappointment.

And DEAR GODTOPUS, I pray that they keep the close-up, incomprehensible, sound-effect-only type of camera work that's NEVER come close in happening in actual, fighting combat between two subjects in a straight-on, bare minimum of activity TO. A. MINIMUM (Ranylt expressed this exact sentiment a looong time ago, much more eloquently than I'm capable of) -

in closing, 'Transporter', don't piss me off like 'Bourne 3' did, y'hear??!??
I'll kick ya fuckin' ASS, YOU FUCKWADS!! GOD, I WISH I COULD JUST BASH YOUR BRAINS IN NOW YOU FUCKIN' DOUCHEBAG

Sorry, late-night ramble after watching online Netflix movies all day.

So for now we put the BB's on the Backburner, 'kay? If Stallone, and Bruno, and even JCVD can still entertain us, we've got a wealth of action-movie star talent out there right now to go around, without Bond OR Bourne.

Don't stick to one flavor simply because you liked it the 1st time around. Give the others a look, and let's discuss them later.

Posted by: TMax at November 15, 2008 11:20 PM

Just came home from seeing QoS--this review is a fair assessment of what transpires...Craig's gravity is what ultimately saves the film. It's pretty good otherwise but strays from character development in favor of the aforementioned Bourne-style frenetic action sequences..I'm not a Bourne fan, so I was not loving the choppy editing, which saps the potency of the fight and chase scenes. It's hard to tell what's going on and who's killing whom (well, Bond's killing everyone, but ya know what I'm saying). Worth a look--just don't expect greatness.

Posted by: stryker1121 at November 16, 2008 1:05 AM

"I can't find the stationery" I'll start saying that to every pretty woman I meet just to see if it's some sort of mind control sex activation code. Most ridiculous come on ever.

To the one asking: Basically he was just making an excuse for Agent Fields to go into his room. Y'know, so he can pluck some strawberries. She didn't look like she was wearing anything underneath that trenchcoat though [in drought-plagued south america no less] so she was probably asking for it. :)

Posted by: Salubri at November 16, 2008 6:33 AM

Also, how in the world did Frenchie get that far away from the building when he was on the third floor of a burning compound with both sides of the ramp in flames and him with a bum leg from fighting.

Posted by: Salubri at November 16, 2008 6:38 AM

Was I the only one who was appalled by the awful, awful CGI work during Bond's fight with Mitchell (after the chase scene over the rooftops, when they both fall through onto the scaffolding)?

Looking back on the movie now, so much of it feels extraneous and as if it was only there to set up future movies - all the scenes of him slowly uncovering the giant global conspiracy ended up not playing into the movie's resolution at all, which meant that they were basically useless for this film, and probably won't matter much in future films either, since any ground covered here will need to be re-exposited there too.

Overall I liked it - there were enough good parts to outweigh the disappointing ones. But really, the next film will need to be very, very good to make the case for "new" Bond a viable one.

Posted by: Shay at November 16, 2008 9:15 AM

Huh, somehow missed the Transporter movies, TMax. However, I'm watching The Bank Job right now, and it's definitely got me in a Statham sort of mood. I'll have to look them up.

As for Bond vs. Bourne, they're both great in their own way, but I prefer my Bond unserious, with cheesy lines and outlandish gadgets. If I want straight-up action with an intriguing and tortured hero, I'll stick with Bourne.

Posted by: meaux at November 16, 2008 11:37 AM

Quantum of Solace was entertaining for sure, but sometimes i got the feeling that the movie was making fun of itself... everywhere pane of glass Bond crosses was broken, he can't get a gallon of milk from the store without it turning into a chase scene, and every time he punches someone in the face, they die

Posted by: movie fan at November 16, 2008 12:31 PM

"why the need to take a political dig at the u.s.a. for destroying a country over a meager supply of oil? you are entitled to your erroneous opinion but we are talking about a movie review here. who needs the predictable political slant?"

Because most of the writers on this site fancy themselves clever commentators. They aren't and look very stupid and shallow forcing the issue with silly remarks.

Posted by: Gigantor at November 16, 2008 1:32 PM

....you are entitled to your erroneous opinion but we are talking about a movie review here. who needs the predictable political slant?..."

* I would love to see some proof that his opinion is erroneous, go ahead PROVE IT.
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Because most of the writers on this site fancy themselves clever commentators. They aren't and look very stupid and shallow forcing the issue with silly remarks.

Posted by: Gigantor at November 16, 2008 1:32 PM

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And as for the rest of your *erroneous* complaints, if you want your reviews without commentary go to Entertainment Weekly, if not, then you WILL get the commentary and you'll get to look stupid complaining about it, because:

1. this ain't your site.

and

2. you don't pay them to write.


So you're just about shit out of luck.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 16, 2008 2:15 PM

I loved this movie and I don't miss the other Bonds I like how they have made it not so cheesy if you know what I mean. Don't get me wrong I love the other bond movies for what they are but these last two have rocked my socks.
Cheers

Posted by: Caramelo at November 16, 2008 2:37 PM

would we really allow some low-rent Aristotle Onassis wannabe to monopolize the water supply?

We don't want Bolivia's water for ourselves.

Posted by: TryScience at November 16, 2008 4:08 PM

*clap, clap* Nicely put, Slim! Er, now, don't you go telling people I gave you the clap, eh?

Posted by: meaux at November 16, 2008 4:49 PM

Huh, I didn't know anyone liked Goldeneye...the only good thing to come out of that movie was the videogame.

Posted by: stryker1121 at November 16, 2008 6:49 PM

WOW! did that episode of the Simpsons tonite SUUUUCK or what?

Seriously.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 16, 2008 8:41 PM

But...how could anything involving Will Shortz not be awesome? *sniff* Yeah...you're right....

Posted by: meaux at November 16, 2008 8:55 PM

I think Craig as Bond is hotter than Damon any day. I noticed the half-naked scenes with Craig, and he has quite the bod. Damon looks like a troll, and the Bourne Identity movies were so frenetic it got outright boring. It's amazing how Hollywood could make such boring action movies. IT sounds like an oxymoron, but I think it's just where the spy-thriller has gone. Usually I just watch Hitchcook movies to get the sort of thriller I really want to see. It's sad that most thrillers rely on all those gimmicks to keep you intrigued, but end up boring you because they overdo and overuse these gimmicks.

Posted by: ph at November 17, 2008 1:13 AM

Bond is back in action as the director says the title may be odd, but the plot is familiar. Yet again I am surprised with the action and technology used by the movie Quantum of Solace .One was Bond's cell phone camera capabilities, it is very much related to the current political frame I think http://www.80millionmoviesfree.com Is where I saw and remarkable movie it will be.

Posted by: frandy barathii at November 17, 2008 3:16 AM

What's going on with these new Spambots? They form such ... unsettlingly coherent sentences. Are they learning? If so, what? Anger? Murder? ... Love?

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at November 17, 2008 8:13 AM

Mini diversion!

How can a cell phone camera's capabilities be related in any way to the "current political frame"?

Posted by: Snath at November 17, 2008 9:17 AM

Easy, Snath:
-Bad quality
-Crappy zoom, meaning there's no real idea of what the people's problems look like upclose
-In the end, cell phone videos use up a lot of space in your memory card and are no good at all.

Posted by: Sofía at November 17, 2008 9:46 AM

No, I did not forget Lazenby. He doesn't even count. I refuse to acknowledge him in the series. REFUSE!

Posted by: TWoP Fan at November 17, 2008 11:36 AM

Okay, I swear I'm not developmentally delayed or anything, but I was seriously confused throughout most of the movie. It was cool and everything, but I had no idea what that plot was for half of it. Also - Was the Camille character supposed to be Bolivian? She's Russian in real life, right? But I think she had some sob story about her family in Bolivia? Maybe I am delayed after all.

Posted by: b at November 17, 2008 11:54 AM

b, she was half-Russian, half-Bolivian. Her father was a Bolivian general, killed by the other Bolivian general. And if memory serves, she's Georgian in real life (so...you know...very much not Russian). To be fair, they didn't go into her backstory all that much; from what I recall, it took quite a while for anyone to even say her name on-screen.

Posted by: Shay at November 17, 2008 12:29 PM

Fight scenes were terrible. I had no idea what was going on. At one point, I'm pretty sure I saw an axe, but had no idea where it came from.

Other than the villian being a bad guy, I didn't really understand what made him terrible enough to be a Bond villian. Last night, watching Thunderball, I saw a villian throw a guy into a pool of sharks and try to set off nuclear explosions. Now there is a real villian. I had no idea what made this guy so terrible and powerful that only Bond could take care of him.

what was the deal with the super secretive group of bad guys. They are dangerous enough that they have people everywhere, but no one knows what they do...but whatever it is, it must be bad, b/c the movie tells us so.

No gadgets, but this is still supposed to be early Bond so I can let that slide.

No hot bond girl, no capture and torture, no appeal.

I think Daniel Craig is a great Bond, but I think this movie was terrible.

Posted by: Monto at November 17, 2008 12:42 PM

Ahhhhhh thanks Shay.

Posted by: b at November 17, 2008 2:29 PM

daniel craig is terrific. he not only looks the part but he is a genuinely good actor. this movie, however, demonstrates how an unintelligible story line and a lame attempt at writing can suffocate even the best of actors.this doesn't begin to compare to " casino royale " and whoever would have thought that bond, james bond, would be morphed into a humorless killer? i can only hope that the real bond will be resurrected and that craig will give him life.

Posted by: snake at November 17, 2008 3:36 PM

Bond who was a British (European) spy, with stature, irony, intelligence, grace, who needs gadgets to fulfill is missions is now an American hero pure strength and power.

I just hope that we did not lost our Hero...

I look forward for the next one with good one-liners, gadgets, and a very bad villain...

Posted by: H-F at November 18, 2008 4:40 PM

"Craig and looks more every year like an icily worrisome Siamese cat"

I thought I was the only one who noticed that!

...subconsciously.

And I'm sending the last paragraph of the review to anyone who sees this as a traditional Bond flick.

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at December 2, 2008 10:40 AM

I laughed out loud when I read "Haggis!" I'm embarrassed that he's Canadian!

Posted by: Megan at December 8, 2008 10:38 AM

I think the worst thing about this Bond is the flimsy plot. The actors had nothing to work with. It's all well and good to tackle oil and water supplies but leave it for another movie not Bond.

I loved Daniel Craig in Casino Royale but in Quantum of Solace he stopped being Bond. The Bond girl is simply not a Bond girl in this movie! It's all well and good to move with the times, fight for oil, equality between men and women etc but don't try to fit it all into what should be an escape from everyday life: a Bond movie! Bond should be nothing more than a sophisticated, womanising killer who gives us two hours of fun in front of the silver screen... and the action scenes made me dizzy. I wasn't sure what was happening at times.

The bottom line is Quantum of Solace, although an acceptable movie, does not have the feel and attitude of a Bond movie but any run of the mill action movie.

Posted by: Chris at December 12, 2008 6:43 PM

This is the last movie I have watched so far. Nowadays due to market tumble, everyone is trying to save more money. Wonder those blockbuster movie markers still make big profit from it. But anyway, I love this movie so much... ever since watched it for more than 3 times.. ;) Let's go to this place to watch for free.. http://www.fullmoviesonline.org

Posted by: Jackson at March 4, 2009 4:57 AM