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Prom Night / Dustin Rowles

Film Reviews | April 11, 2008 | Comments (199)


For a long while now, others and I have been awfully hard on the current generation in power — the prostitots, Abercrombies, the text-speak teenwits and the social-networking whores. By and large, with the exception of some outliers, the 15 to 24 demographic, unfortunately, doesn’t have a lot of individuality or creativity to speak of, and they speak en masse with the wallets of their parents and interest-heavy financial aid, and every goddamn one of them thinks they’re destined to be the next reality-television star. They’re not terribly worried about selling out either, because let’s be honest, they don’t have anything to sell out. The Gaplet and Lohanese culture is all they know, so the very idea of selling out is a completely foreign notion to them.

But about halfway through Prom Night, I had an epiphany of sorts. A fairly obvious notion that, for some reason, just then clicked for me. It’s our fucking fault — that is, the brethren and sistren in my Generation. We gave you “Saved by the Bell,” so where else was there to go but “Josh and Drake.” We gave you NKOTB, and the only obvious down-generational iteration was N ‘Sync and Backstreet Boys, which spawned Nick Lachey (and thus Jessica Simpson) and Justin Timberlake. We gave you Prom Night, so really — what choice was there but to remake it for your generation?

But then, it wasn’t your choice, was it? It was ours - at your age, all you can do is consume. It is those of us in our generation that are doing all the mass producing, isn’t it?

And all I can say is, I’m sorry. We used to be kind of cool. I swear it. We were detached and aloof; we didn’t shower; we smoked pot and watched movies; we didn’t hate the world because we were to goddamn disinterested in the world to work up the requisite loathing. We had shitty facial hair. We were going to grow up and be poorer than our parents! And we were OK with that. Everything we said was ironic. Our music came from BMG and Columbia House for a penny (plus $5 shipping and handling per CD). We made movies and television shows about nothing, but they were profoundly about nothing. We were awesome.

But then, in the midst of all that, the dot-com bubble arrived, and the collective we inadvertently came across scads of money for basically doing nothing, or for doing something we thought was cool or great or life-changing! For example, in the late 90s, we invented an Internet service that would bring guys on bikes with messenger bags to your door in under an hour, who would then deliver videos or ice cream or even frozen pizzas. And we made a shitload of money.

And then, the bubble burst. And all those slackers who made all that money suddenly had no more money. And the guys in messenger bikes disappeared with their shiny orange bags. And (the collective) we didn’t like being poor, goddamnit. So, what did we do? At least the Hollywood versions of us took all the great things about our generation and we watered them down and mass produced them and we shat them back out in shiny, brightly lit packages and we force fed them to you with pretty movie posters created with awesome software and then slash/cut edited the trailers and shoved them in your fucking face. We basically took everything we loved growing up, and we homogenized it because we wanted that money back, goddamnit. And it’s all we really knew (for most of us, the world we know began between 1981 and 1984).

And now that’s all you know. And I’m really sorry about that. We didn’t realize that, when we ironically mocked valley girls and their “Oh, my God’s,” that you didn’t know what irony was, and that you’d accept it earnestly, shorten it for text-speaking ease, and throw it back at us with the force of a 1,0000 fucking Britney Spears.

OMG!

2008’s Prom Night is just another example of our generation selling out, and the reason it sucks, honestly, is because we don’t give a shit. We don’t care. Remember: We’re the slacker generation. What else did you expect? It’s the easiest point between conception and cash — strip the soul out of one of our films, throw in a bland, fairly recognizable, inexpensive-to-cast blonde (Brittany Snow); a 29-year-old television high-schooler (“Friday Night Light’s” Scott Porter); a decent, but unknown (and therefore cheap) actor (Idris “Stringer Bell” Elba); light the hell out of everything; take out most of the blood and replace it with half-hour dead spots we characterize as “suspenseful”; cut it together into a 30-second YouTube spot and throw one of our songs (“Time After Time”) performed by one of the shitty, homogenized, fangless bands we created, and blend it together for a beautiful $20 million opening weekend. We’ll take our cut, and go on back to slacking, gloating because we just did the unthinkable: We Wal-Marticized a slasher film! We just took blood and murder and made it palatable for mass consumption! Hahahahahahaha … fuck you!

Meanwhile, the atrophied minds of teenagers continues to fester and rot and decompose. But don’t worry, Generation Douchebag: It won’t be too much longer now. I promise. There’s still a couple of years before it completely devolves into a messy soup of indistinguishable blah, before everything is just recycled and reprocessed fluorescent-lit shininess. But, soon enough, right around the time that Miley Cyrus hits the age of majority and has her third nervous breakdown and starts fucking random lamp posts in the middle of L.A. traffic, it’ll happen. Your Kurt Cobain will come along. A loud voice will scream out, and there’ll be just enough agony and despair in it to cut through all through the corporate bullshit. It will grow louder and louder. And it will take down everything in its wake. It will strip your culture down to its bare ass. And something new and intense and profound and original and overpowering will grow in its place, before it, too, will wilt and die.

And then it will all go to shit again.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. He lives with his wife and son in Ithaca, New York. You may email him, or leave a comment below.


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Comments

Damn, man. What a depressing movie review. Eloquent and thoughtful, though. Can't we shift some of the blame to the dumbassery of today's teens, though? I mean, it can't be entirely our fault, can it?

Posted by: Mattfactor at April 11, 2008 3:49 PM

Being a member of the 15-24 set (straddling the middle of it, actually), all I can do is weep for my people and threaten to kill anyone I know who watches this garbage. It may be you guys' fault for bringing it to us, but God knows we didn't have to drink the kool-aid...

And, guys, there is some hope. Not all of us are complete dumbshits...

Posted by: hop3 at April 11, 2008 3:53 PM

I don't know if I love it more when you get a good movie or a bad movie.

Posted by: twig at April 11, 2008 3:53 PM

I. Loved. This. Review.

Posted by: Brandizzy at April 11, 2008 3:55 PM

Wow. Now I feel old, sad and totally at fault.

Nice piece. Dustin.

Posted by: Jen Vegas at April 11, 2008 3:56 PM

Behold the Voice of Doom! This is the most depressing review you've ever written. It's funny for me because I don't belong in either generation and I'm at best an observer. Still it depresses the fuck out of me when I see things like The Hills and what MTV has become. I remember the days of Madonna, Michael Jackson (before he got creepy) and Milli Vanilli (girl you know it's true, ooh, ooh, ooh...). Then I got too busy with other stuff and disconnected from the world for about 8 years and when I got back, Madonna had gone from quirky rebel to...whatever the hell she is now, ditto for Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston. Don't even get me started on Eddie Murphy.

Posted by: joker at April 11, 2008 3:57 PM

But what about Stringer Bell - and the bland boring kid from Veronica Mars? Is the Eye candy somewhat worth it? Okay I know the answer to this....why Stringer? You were such a bad ass. You took microeconomics and planned death hits. I hope this movie isn't the death of your career...you were my first gangster love. Mostly because Omar was gay...

"Well, get on with it."

Posted by: ash at April 11, 2008 3:58 PM

.

I heart you.

Just one thing, though: how many, exactly, is 1,0000? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and take it as intentional; a made-up numeral used in conjunction with Britney Spears to be as mind-fuckingly dumb and batshit crazy as she is.

I heart you that much.

Posted by: Sean at April 11, 2008 3:59 PM

The above comment began with a slow clap.

-Slow clap-.

Posted by: Sean at April 11, 2008 4:01 PM

It's "...others and I....".

Posted by: actually... at April 11, 2008 4:01 PM

Confession: I've been lurking around Pajiba for over a year now. I'm one of the many who come not only for the reviews, the insanely hilarious eloquents, but also because I tend to agree with almost all arguments or views presented here. I feel, however, that I owe an apology.

I'm ashamed to say that I fall into the 15-24 age demographic. Regardless of whose fault it is that my generation is more or less comprised of nothing more than a load of unoriginal, artificial, social networking (for a while it was decided that I "didn't exist" because I didn't have a facebook account) twats who leech off of ideas that have been done before, please don't give up on us.

Yes, the majority of my age group are artificial Godtopus-less scumbags, but there is a small percentage of us who are struggling for a better, brighter, future with Strictly Ballroom instead of Step Up, Six Feet Under instead of Hannah Shoot Me Now Montana, and Rear Window instead of Disfuckinsturbia. Don't give up hope just yet.. Perhaps we can still be saved.

Posted by: Edie at April 11, 2008 4:01 PM

My question is: will seeing it after the benefit of several shots make it better or worse?

Posted by: Geetch at April 11, 2008 4:03 PM

Aww, Edie...every generation is composed of equal parts lameass and balls-out-awesome. Don't feel bad, there's always those who are salvageable. :p

[cough cough I kind of liked Disturbia cough cough beats self with empty can of ginger ale]

Posted by: Julie at April 11, 2008 4:07 PM

As a 21-year-old, I've never felt like I belonged in my generation. I think having older siblings helped me understand there were better things out there. I grew up being told New Kids on the Block suck and hearing my brothers playing Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins on their loudly amplified electric guitars. I hated so much about the pop culture that came out in middle school and high school. But I'll tell you what, very smart, very intelligent people grew up during that time. I'm just waiting for that to show.

Posted by: kelsy at April 11, 2008 4:08 PM

Is it bad that, upon viewing movies in this ilk, I root for the psychopath to murder one and all?

Also, what does it say about our (or the producer's view) of humanity that the characters consist of vapid douche-shits and serial killers?

This is why I cringe at the thought of bearing children. Like fucking Battle Cat before the change.

God, that was lame. Our generation does suck.

Posted by: boo at April 11, 2008 4:12 PM

fuck that noise! i'm not taking responsibility for shit. a true slacker doesn't take responsibilty for anything. what's wrong with you?

but seriously, brilliant review.

wtf Stringer? you are WAY too pretty for this crap. i know you have bills to pay, but i can't pay to see this crap. i really want to see your pretty face on the big screen looking all sexy, as you will, but there is no chance that i will see this movie. ever.

Posted by: pq at April 11, 2008 4:13 PM

What Edie said

Posted by: Bethy at April 11, 2008 4:16 PM

There are people that exist who don't have facebook pages?? Say it ain't so. I actually remember this time long ago when my relationship status didn't have to be defined online for all to see. Ahh those were the times. But granted isn't it damn useful you can google someone now before you even meet them? No? Okay I tried.

I may fall in your age bracket...the ass end of it but I'm in there. But I wouldn't have much hope for our younger generations...check out juicy campus dot com if you want to cry (a lot). I knew I was officially old when my boss had to tell me about this new "trend". What happened to just insulting someone the good old fashion way? Lots of trash talking and the occasional black marker to a bath room stall.

Posted by: ash at April 11, 2008 4:16 PM

Julie, (after being freaked out by the fact that we're both drinking ginger ale) did you just say you liked Disturbia? Ok, we'll need to go to couples therapy for this. No matter how much I love your psycho-ness, I don't know if I can deal with this.

Aw, don't feel bad, kiddies...the rapture is nigh. It will all be over soon.

Posted by: Joker at April 11, 2008 4:16 PM

I love you Dustin.

Posted by: Chez at April 11, 2008 4:18 PM

You can't imagine how relieved I was to be my age when I saw that kids are actually having a hard time getting government student loans and are having to go private and pay credit card level interest, and then some of them even have a bigger principal than me to begin with.

Hell, the University of Georgia was called 13th grade at my high school. Now people slog through a junior a couple years and try to get in. I mean, my life's got plenty of shit but the cost and availability of higher education getting being even worse now provides a welcome selfish relief, but I'm genuinely sympathetic for someone 10-15 years younger than me who's going to suffer that much more. Except for my accountant-to-be brother, he's gonna do great, the bastard.

Mind you, fuckin kids get on my nerves, but they always have. As I've said before, I just plan to try to be nice and hope maybe they'll think some of my old man shit's fun and interesting. While I don't know if the whole theory here is correct, I'm sure you've got some truth in there. In the case of "Prom Night" it seems to have been assembled by men significantly older than me, so I don't think we have to beat ourselves up TOO much. I'm thinking this is more exploitation of a market already softened up. Doesn't negate the point though.

When does the new post-punk happen? That'll be great! I can wear my Wedding Present shirt ("heh heh, still fits, honey! lookit that!") at the same shows my kids' friends are at. Mortifying. Then I can tell that kid that drummer he's listening to STINKS. Can't wait.

Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2008 4:21 PM

Aw, don't feel bad, kiddies...the rapture is nigh. It will all be over soon.

Do you promise? Because, for real, a girl in one of my classes yesterday tried to convince me that Obama is the Godtopus-damn antichrist. Of course, she also thinks Hannah (fucking) Montana is "cute."

I do so love my bass-ackward southern university...

Posted by: hop3 at April 11, 2008 4:23 PM

I promise, hop3, I never lie. Well I think you misheard, she probably said that Hannah F'ing Montana is the antichrist and Obama is cute. In which case, she's very astute.

Posted by: Joker at April 11, 2008 4:25 PM

Re-reading your comment, I realise that I just repeated what you said...bloody hell...the ginger ale is going straight to my head.

Posted by: Joker at April 11, 2008 4:26 PM

I'm twenty years old, and I'm not going to apologize for it.

When I was in high school, I understood that nearly everyone around me was a conspicuously consuming nitwit. But- over-30 crowd- didn't you feel the same way when you were 16? Don't lie. Everyone is a nitwit when they're of a certain age, even those who slouch in the back of the stadium and glower, declaring "I'm better than those idiots."

I try to be discriminating in consuming pop culture items (with the exception of Pajiba, naturally), but I'm not going to try to compensate for the stupidity of my generation by proclaiming a general disdain for everyone who belongs to it, and everything that is produced by or for them. I don't appreciate much that is advertised to me, and- to finally get to the movie at hand- I'm quite sure that the only 20-year-olds who will be hitting this one at the theater will be recently discharged frontal lobotomy patients. But that doesn't mean we all have incomplete brains, or that we have to apologize for our youth.

Posted by: antoinette jeanine at April 11, 2008 4:28 PM

We ain't all bad.

Yes, there is a barftastic 15-24 demographic but c'mon, it's not like nothing we've produced/endorsed has been bad. Haven't we had a golden age of American TV drama? Some of us are smart and cute and productive! ReallY!

But, uh, sorry about that whole reality TV thing, uh, I, uh, don't know who to call to make that stop.

Posted by: Tati at April 11, 2008 4:33 PM

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Yes, thank you antoinette jeanine, you stood up for us youth in a way I meant to.

Posted by: Tati at April 11, 2008 4:35 PM

This is kind of a douchebag review. I'm normally a fan, but you are way of the mark here, pajiba.

You assume that your youth was cool, meaningful, and real, while today's youths lead shallow, vapid, material lives driven by want of material things driven by corporations.

This is completely ridiculous for reasons i shouldn't have to explain to an intelligent person. Suffice it to say that every hipster douchebag (or the generational equivalent) has said this for 100 years about the generation immediately after theirs. The flower children thought the disco lovers were selling out. The disco hippies thoughts the 80's rock groups sold out. The 80's rock lovers thought the 90's pop phenomenon people sold out. And now those people think the omgtxtmessage crowd is selling out for Miley Cyrus.

Every generation views the one after it as less meaningful and more disposable than their own. You're completely wrong with the premise of your review, which is "current culture sucks". Sorry, nope. Get over yourself, man.

Posted by: Jeremiah at April 11, 2008 4:37 PM

I'd like to think my 22 year old self is one of those outliers, but we have to look at the full defining moment for analysis:

By and large, with the exception of some outliers, the 15 to 24 demographic, unfortunately, doesn't have a lot of individuality or creativity to speak of, and they speak en masse with the wallets of their parents and interest-heavy financial aid, and every goddamn one of them thinks they're destined to be the next reality-television star.

I don't believe the no individuality/creativity applies, considering the whole quasi-freelance writer career and bookings of music direction/orchestration gigs. And I turn down money from my parents far more often than I accept it. But then things get a little hairy.

I feel like I'm going to be in debt the rest of my life thanks to college. No, couldn't do the smart thing and pick from the plethora of schools offering a free ride. No. Robert's too cool for that. Robert has to go to the private university in NYC filled with hipsters that damn near gave him an eating disorder and professors that drove him up the wall.

But the reality star line hits the hardest.

Hi, my name's Robert, and I'm a famewhore. I've done everything from American Idol (always past the open call, never to the judges as I just wind up fighting with the executive producers) to The Real World (they recruited me through a very nerdy club and almost cast me, which was the funniest experience of my life). I've stood in pouring rain (American Inventor) and the ghetto (American Idol in D.C., where prostitutes and drug dealers kept talking to me). I've gone through weeks of callbacks (a show that lost funding and support from the production company before the shoot was going to start) to being stopped five seconds into an audition (Making the Band). I've even received recruitment e-mails guaranteeing me an interview because of my exemplary track record of famewhoring (the new Paris Hilton reality show, and I already told them no way).

I guess that means that I should, like, go buy a ticket and text my review to my Facebook during the film, right? IDK, LO...

[Robert has shut down his brain for repairs. Please stand by].

Oh, right. When I go to a reality audition, it's purely promotional. I don't want to win, I just want to sell the brand.

Whatever it takes to help me sleep at night after turning tricks for primetime.

Posted by: Robert at April 11, 2008 4:38 PM

I'm right in between. I missed the good stuff before it went to shit, but I'm too old to care about the new stuff that already is shit. Meh.

Posted by: Snath at April 11, 2008 4:38 PM

As a high school teacher, I have the privilege of spending most of my day with the low end of this demographic. And while I'll admit that they aren't all douchenozzles, most are spoiled, closed-minded and thrive on ignorance. Do you know how difficult it is to teach Thoreau and Emerson to people who refuse to spend ten minutes without a cell phone, iPod, computer or some type of electronic device strapped to their bodies? Connect with nature? Whatever. Or how about "teaching Shakespeare to supposedly "normal" 15-year-olds who read at a 5th grade reading level at best? I'm expected to teach them to write essays when they can't write a complete sentence. (Wait, this sentence needs a verb? But isn't "happy" a verb?)

They wallow in mediocrity like dogs in fresh cow shit. No one wants to be labeled a nerd, so they aim low and try to be as average (or often below average) as possible. Sadly, a nerd to them is anyone who does homework, participates in class and makes a B or better.

Is it any wonder they flock to these shitty movies? They don't want to watch anything they have to think about, anything that challenges them. And sadly they connect with the characters in said movies. Anyone "real-world" real and not "reality TV" real is completely alien to them.

Again, I do have some bright students who enjoy both being challenged and challenging me. They are the reason I remain in this profession. But sometimes I can't focus on them since NCLB demands that I cater to the dumbfucks who can't bring a pencil to class or spell their names consistently. There are some sharp minds that need nurturing but are neglected because we want all the students to feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Obviously, Hollywood has the same philosophy. Make movies for the mediocre. A fool and his money are soon parted.

Posted by: superEdna at April 11, 2008 4:38 PM

Unless I misread the review, I don't believe Dustin was blaming the 18-24 set. I believe he was blaming us 30-somethings for the current state of affairs.

To which I say: Fuck. That. This shit was broken when I got here, you understand?

Posted by: TK at April 11, 2008 4:39 PM

This review made me think of two things I would really like to forget forever: Kurt Cobain and Columbia House. So thanks a lot, scumbag.

Posted by: Todd at April 11, 2008 4:48 PM

Wow. I am in utter awe. This perfectly put into words a nebulous thought that's been pecking at my brain for a few months now. I guess I just needed a dose of Dustin radiation to turn that little chicken into something that would have every KFC executive shitting their pants.

Posted by: HedonismBot at April 11, 2008 4:48 PM

You assume that your youth was cool, meaningful, and real, while today's youths lead shallow, vapid, material lives driven by want of material things driven by corporations.

Did NOT. Did you read the review? Dustin completely trashed his own (our) generation before he started in on yours. Read it again.

They wallow in mediocrity like dogs in fresh cow shit. No one wants to be labeled a nerd, so they aim low and try to be as average (or often below average) as possible. Sadly, a nerd to them is anyone who does homework, participates in class and makes a B or better.

I am forcibly reminded of the majority of my high-school peers--the supposedly dead-cool-and-detatched Gen Xers. NOT. Also, you have my admiration, and my gratitude, for being an educator.

Younger people to please remember: Bitching about the younger generation is one of very few pleasures left to those of us who make it to coot-dom. We can't drink or do drugs or take ass-whippings like we used to. Sex has become depressingly infrequent. Food doesn't taste good any more. Give us a break.

Posted by: Jerce at April 11, 2008 4:52 PM

Yeah, because Kurt Cobain did so much for you guys. I'll tell you what. Kurt Cobain made that shitty slacker generation. Thus, Kurt Cobain is responsible for Prom Night.

Although who birthed all of these unkempt losers whining about the plight of suburbia? Oh that would be the baby boomers. The plague that not even God could dream up. The generation that is saddling my generation with crushing debt (which is as near as i can tell will only get worse.). The generation that is really in charge of things right now. That's right. GW Bush? Hillary Clinton? Two sides of the same fucked up, smelly-ass, coin.

So we can clearly see that Baby Boomers are responsible for Prom Night and they will be the end of us all. Fuck. You. Guys.

By the way, I loved this review.

Posted by: Tanner at April 11, 2008 4:56 PM

And just for a different angle:

Friggin Ming-Na (Wen)'s in this? You bodacious ageless siren, you. You know I forgave you for Deb being a bitch, right?

Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2008 4:58 PM

This review is totally bullshit! What happens at the prom Does Brittany totally dress like a slut or what Do u see her tits Does she get cut up n shit? What would kick ass is like a shower scene where shes runnin in some see thru shit and slips in the shower and shes wearing a skirts so u get a total beav shot
Hey is Juno in it? She rocks.
Fuck you bro. Now how am I gonna know if I should go see it. Fuckin old-ass tool Curt Cobain fuckin blows anyway Smells like teen ass Daughtry destroys that dude

Posted by: JP at April 11, 2008 5:01 PM

"We can't drink or do drugs or take ass-whippings like we used to. Sex has become depressingly infrequent. Food doesn't taste good any more."

coming from this 42 year old female: Speak for yourself!!

Posted by: maxpurr9 at April 11, 2008 5:10 PM

Tanner, for the record, I'm 30, and I was a slacker long before Kurt Cobain came along. Mea culpa, I guess.

My bigger worry that this generation won't find their zeitgeist-boning screech amabassador to fling shit at the walls, and we'll have to suffer this cycle again in twenty years time.

Coming soon: Prom Night 2028, starring Miley Cyrus Jr, with Marlon Wayans as the old janitor. Y'know, for the gravitas. "It's good, but not nearly as edgy as the 2008 original."

Posted by: Zuffle at April 11, 2008 5:14 PM

Forty-two is not coot-itude. I'd kill to be 42 again.

Forty-two is a fetus, girl.

[waves cane menacingly]

Posted by: Jerce at April 11, 2008 5:15 PM

Jerce said

"Did NOT. Did you read the review? Dustin completely trashed his own (our) generation before he started in on yours. Read it again."

I did read it again, and dustin said

"And all I can say is, I'm sorry. We used to be kind of cool. I swear it. We were detached and aloof; we didn't shower; we smoked pot and watched movies; we didn't hate the world because we were to goddamn disinterested in the world to work up the requisite loathing. We had shitty facial hair. We were going to grow up and be poorer than our parents! And we were OK with that. Everything we said was ironic. Our music came from BMG and Columbia House for a penny (plus $5 shipping and handling per CD). We made movies and television shows about nothing, but they were profoundly about nothing. We were awesome."

He slobbers all over his own generation in a hipster-arrogant way. Of course, he goes on about how money must have been the downfall of culture, and his generation was corrupted (any good hipster-douche thinks that anything purely good is always destroyed by money or The Man). But Dustin's basic assumption is that his generation started with meaning and purpose and relevance, and that the current generation has never had meaning or inspiration or any of that and is only a mass-media marketing scheme.

And of course, that's patently false. I'm actually getting somewhat tired of Dustin's reviews because it seems like he can't review a movie without some sort of grand societal commentary. Sometimes, just reviewing the movie is enough.

Posted by: Jeremiah at April 11, 2008 5:17 PM

I don't have a refreshing perspective to offer in defense of my generation, so I'm just going to raise my hand in answer to the outlier call.

Posted by: becca at April 11, 2008 5:18 PM

their zeitgeist-boning screech amabassador

I am stealing this phrase, and will be taking credit for it. I will be using it at every conversational opportunity. I will be creating conversational opportunities in order to use it.

I know I'm hyper-posting today, but I just had to put Zuffle on notice.

Posted by: Jerce at April 11, 2008 5:18 PM

superEdna: ...right on...

Posted by: Bev M. at April 11, 2008 5:19 PM

Your description of youth today was nearly dead-on. And I should know- I'm a sixteen year old girl. There are people out there just the way you described us, but you should know that for everyone one of them, there's two or three of me. And we're waiting. We have good ideas and good grammar, and we are worried about selling out.

Generation Douchebag hears you.. and don't worry. We're gonna be okay.

Posted by: emily at April 11, 2008 5:19 PM

Your description of youth today was nearly dead-on. And I should know- I'm a sixteen year old girl. There are people out there just the way you described us, but you should know that for everyone one of them, there's two or three of me. And we're waiting. We have good ideas and good grammar, and we are worried about selling out.

Generation Douchebag hears you.. and don't worry. We're gonna be okay.

Posted by: emily at April 11, 2008 5:19 PM

Jeremiah, I don't agree with the labeling of Dustin as a douchebag hipster because, social tags aside, I think he's a thoroughly decent guy (from what I can tell over the interwebz and all). However, I do agree with your indignation over Dustin's implicit assumption that our current generation has never had inspiration or meaning of its own.

However, I think that every generation looks derivitive from the vantage point of its perspective. We should all just go check out some Picasso and tilt our heads along with the picture and see if the world looks better from our crooked gaze. And if it doesn't, we should probably hit happy hour.

Posted by: becca at April 11, 2008 5:24 PM

Yeah, it's me again. The boss left work early and I'm on my own.

...He slobbers all over his own generation in a hipster-arrogant way...
You consider the words you just quoted to be praise?

...Dustin's basic assumption is that his generation started with meaning and purpose and relevance...
Dustin lists smoking dope, not bathing and being sucked in by shitty mail-order music-club scams. "[M]eaning and purpose and relevance"...?

I am agog.

Posted by: Jerce at April 11, 2008 5:24 PM

Woops, "vantage point of its PREDECESSORS." Man, my mind is stuck on perspective today.

Posted by: becca at April 11, 2008 5:26 PM

I'm actually getting somewhat tired of Dustin's reviews because it seems like he can't review a movie without some sort of grand societal commentary. Sometimes, just reviewing the movie is enough.

Then you're at the wrong site. There are a million and one websites out there that just review movies, Pajiba has always included social commentary. It started out as a political site, for goodness sake.

Posted by: roses at April 11, 2008 5:28 PM

Also, my happy hour invocation only applies to the legal third of the 15-24 demographic. I prefer to discourage the highly glamorized rehab stints among the under-21 set.

Posted by: becca at April 11, 2008 5:31 PM

Sometimes, just reviewing the movie is enough.

Spoken like a true Generation Douchebagger. Check Rotten Tomatoes if you want a simple thumbs up or thumbs down. They even put it into percentages for you.

Posted by: I Am Jeremiah's Smirking Revenge at April 11, 2008 5:31 PM

for the record, I'm 30, and I was a slacker long before Kurt Cobain came along. Mea culpa, I guess.

True, he may not have made the movement... but he definitely was in the color guard for it.

their zeitgeist-boning screech amabassador

May never happen. Because the anti-authority "zeitgeist-boner" image has been co-opted by MTV, Mountain Dew, and the Democratic National Committee.

I think that the best we can hope for is not one big zeitgeist-boner for everything. But many smaller zeitgeist-boners for many different things.

Posted by: Tanner at April 11, 2008 5:36 PM

JP:

Here's a word for you: "punctuation". Any chance you could possibly slip a period or a comma into a comment? I like my Pajibaverse text-msg-illiterate-free thank you very much and I'm a senior citizen here so I'm entitled.

Posted by: PaddyDog at April 11, 2008 5:42 PM

At fourteen, I'm probably the youngest reader of Pajiba (I don't even fall into Generation Douchebag yet! My brain hasn't even had time to atrophy!). But I see the aforementioned Hannah Montana Wannabes and braindead teenagers everyday in the halls of my high school. I have to COEXIST with these people, and even, on the unfortunate occassion, try to COMMUNICATE with them. They are every bit as awful as you could imagine. They are worse, in fact. I don't know how our generation is going to make it, but as Emily and Edie and hop3 have all said, there are some good ones left. We are not all lost causes, because we have good music and good books and good movies, and, most of all, Pajiba. So, just so you know, there is hope.

Posted by: Costello at April 11, 2008 5:42 PM

Costello, I've been there. It gets better. Your awareness is inspiring. Keep on keepin' on, dude.

Posted by: becca at April 11, 2008 5:48 PM

Let me say this for you babies of the nineties: You are well-represented on this website. And yes, Jeremiah, I am counting you in this. Your argument may be greatly flawed, but dude, at least you are expressing in an erudite and eloquent way.

However. First let me congratulate you on discovering the word "hipster". Lord knows I have waved that particular shitpinion about with reckless abandon. And I'm appreciating the clever way that you'll just slap it in front of your insults haphazardly, with complete disregard for how obnoxious and detrimental to your argument it is. That takes some gusto, kiddo. You should try using it like a suffix, that's my own personal favorite. Like hipsterrific. Or hipsterical. Or hispterectomy.

Second, you probably missed out on irony. It's a damn shame, I think you would really like it. Because then you would figure out that was saying about our generation is: we were just as bad as you were. It was a material world, and we were material girls. Then Cobain came along, sighing for the entire disaffectation of our generation. We suddenly awoke to the fetid scent of our own bullshit. We thought we were "awesome". Actually we thought we were "gnarly". Not to be confused with Gnarkill or Gnarls Barkley. But we weren't.

And now we've lit our collective stink on fire like a poo-filled paper bag and left it on your doorstep to stomp. Now, of course, we roll our eyes and sigh like we were taught when you kids do just what we did, only in faster, shinier, and in unusual flavors. It makes us uncomfortable, because it pulls back the curtain on how shitty we were, are, and will be, world without end.

But that's kinda the point. We know. You know. You know better, in fact. So it's up to people like you to rise up from the herd and be as awesome as you are convinced you are. Rise up in the cafeteria and shout that you're mad as hell and you aren't going to take it anymore. Write bad poetry. Make crazy videos on YouTube. Blog bitchily.

You're obviously on the right path, children. You've made it to Pajiba.

Posted by: insertclevernamehere at April 11, 2008 5:49 PM

One of the better reviews you've written in a long time. Thank you.

Posted by: Lex at April 11, 2008 5:50 PM

Off topic, but this is the closest time a thread has talked about a horror movie in a while (So, obviously, the thread has nothing to do with the movie at hand). Anywho; saw this trailer at like 11 at night with all the lights out and it scared the bejesus out of me; which is a weird since I hate 99% of horror movies. And Liv Tyler.

http://movies.yahoo.com/premieres/6921259/standardformat/


Oh, and idea for an afternoon comment diversion(if anyone's listening): Best movie trailers of all time, best movie trailers that didn't live up to expectations etc... Let the big kids decide exactly what the rules are, as I'm too stupid for that sort of thing.

Posted by: FourKings at April 11, 2008 5:57 PM

Oh, and forgot to mention; one of the better reviews I've read on the site in a while.

Posted by: FourKings at April 11, 2008 5:59 PM

Actually, insertclevername, we may have sucked even worse: Remember Slaughter and Trixter? And Great White? They sort of make Pete Wentz look like Jim fucking Morrison. -- DR

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at April 11, 2008 6:00 PM

Remember them, Dustin? I play their songs on Guitar Hero III.

Posted by: insertclevernamehere at April 11, 2008 6:04 PM

PaddyDog -- With all due respect, I too have a word to share: "Sarcasm". Here is another one: "Sarcophagus" -- which actually has nothing to do with this thread, but it was sitting right below "sarcasm" in my dictionary, and, well, damnit, I just really like that word. Fuck! Now I'm overusing punctuation. Again. See what you caused?

Posted by: JP at April 11, 2008 6:10 PM

Now that we're together
I'm gonna show you a thing or two
Hey girl, you got a lot to learn
I'm gonna take you to my school
And make you feel alriiiiiiight
Cause I'm a man, baby!

(Give it) Give it to me good
(Give it) Give it to me good

(Random Trixter lyrics)

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at April 11, 2008 6:10 PM

JP:

I'm humbled. You caught me on the sarcasm thing. I blames the jetlags! What comes after sarcophagus? The only thing that comes to my addled brain is Sarkozy. Lets blame the hooked on phonics generation for that one.

Posted by: PaddyDog at April 11, 2008 6:16 PM

Trixter? I think my grandpa had their records.

Posted by: JP at April 11, 2008 6:17 PM

Um, get off my lawn?

Posted by: Kolby at April 11, 2008 6:22 PM

I love the way hipster gets thrown around as an insult. But for those of you who don't currently live in one of the many Hipsterville, USA's that are popping up around the country, I suggest you learn what a hipster really is before throwing the term around. The last time I looked out my front door hipsters weren't law school grads with spouses and children.

Thanks for this review Dustin. Way to bring home the old. I am pretty proud to be of the very brief slacker/grunge generation. I feel like it was a rare time where people were allowed to be smart and thoughtful, and selling out meant buying the popular culture at large. I firmly remain of that mindset, and it's carrying me well into adulthood. It wasn't too long after I graduated from high school that Kurt Cobain died, flannel shirts went to the back of the closet, and the bling culture fully set in. I may date myself from rejecting that to this day, but so be it.

I think superEdna said well what could be a response to antoinette jeanine. I didn't feel like everyone around me was a conspicuously consuming idiot in high school, although there were definitely some of them. But then again this was when cell phones were strictly in the realm of parentdom, there were no such things as portable music players with non-moving parts, and not only did instant messages not exist, we didn't even have email (the horror!). Me and my friends' biggest wants were to have a car so we wouldn't have to take the bus to school, getting one of those new fangled CD players, and having cool clothes. Pretty simple really. And I didn't go to a hick school, this was a suburban high school with 1200 students.

Generation douchebag can suck it. Way to not learn from our eventual mistakes, but to run with them. I can only hope that the next Kurt Cobain comes along by the time my kids reach that pivotal age.

Posted by: katy at April 11, 2008 6:23 PM

You are killing me Dustin! I used to be in love with the way Trixter's bass player flipped his long, lustrous, rocker hair. Good times . . . .

Posted by: SCG at April 11, 2008 6:24 PM

Its Okay, Paddy. I was going to make a cutting remark and say "senility", but thats not nice. And its not true. Senility always comes before the sarcophagus. I am going to ignore "sardine" and go with "sardonic", which is perfect for this site. And then comes another favorite of mine, "sarsaparila", which I like to say and it reminds me of The Big Lebowski.

Posted by: Jp at April 11, 2008 6:25 PM

"And all I can say is, I'm sorry. We used to be kind of cool. I swear it. We were detached and aloof; we didn't shower; we smoked pot and watched movies; we didn't hate the world because we were to goddamn disinterested in the world to work up the requisite loathing."

Do you mean like 10% of the youngster population? cause, to be fair, the majority of the teenage generation at any given time suck big freaking times, but then you grow up and are so freaking condecendent with the young version of yourself that you can't possibly hate yourslef more than when you were 15. We all sucked big fucking times, let's stop pretending we were any better than this assholic generation.

Posted by: rio at April 11, 2008 6:27 PM

you know dustin, being 23 i sort of just fit into that bracket of yours, and i guess i was a just bit ticked off to be thrown in with the scrap.

but goddamnit man, you're right. people my age and younger are being thrown into a meat grinder. kids (some with a lot of potential to be really great in the world) are force fed so much rehashed, reheated, mishandled and/or groped disney channel level bullshit that its destroying our future. and that bit about so many of "us" demanding/expecting reality show stardom? you hit that one right on the fucking head. but what more can you expect to reap from the crops "you" have sown? it's everywhere, on every station now; i think there's even reality shows about reality shows. and the kids today who (like any normal teenager, from any generation) just want to escape their lives totally eat it up. there is hope though. there are threads of conscious, rational thought among us; however, we (including me) generally aren't as loud or brash about it. so we are, unfortunately, the less heard of the herd, so to speak.

i'm not really sure why i wrote all of this, since you probably will miss it amongst the sea of more high quality posts... i guess i just had to get it off my chest.

love,

Posted by: razh at April 11, 2008 6:41 PM

Uh uh...I'm staying out of this. I don't want to acknowledge any of this as being my fault...and I don't want to admit to any of you that it probably is. Movie bad...got it. Generations fucked up...got it. People on both sides of the gap getting defensive...check. K, bye.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at April 11, 2008 6:43 PM

Honestly, we kind of hate you, too.

Posted by: Flannery at April 11, 2008 6:47 PM

Awe. Some.

Posted by: Ginger at April 11, 2008 6:55 PM

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
u r so rite!!!!!! im liek teh only smrt prsn i kno an MUSIC SUX NOW AND MOVIES AN SHITLOL u guyz rok!!!


o btw did u c that 80s movie JUST 1 OF TEH GUYZ wer that girl dresd up as a guy AND WENT IN TEH BOYS LOKER ROOOM LOLOLOLOL its a gr8 retro movie u shud c it!!! ur gennerashin was so much fukin coolr :p

Posted by: Lucas at April 11, 2008 6:59 PM

Erm... isn't every generation "Generation Douchebag"? Just sayin'.

Posted by: Lannie at April 11, 2008 7:02 PM

Okay...I just have to say...did you just bash your head against the keyboard several times? That might have made more sense.

Okay, really leaving this time.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at April 11, 2008 7:04 PM

self.
masturbatory.

Posted by: WhatThe? at April 11, 2008 7:09 PM

Wow, after I finished that I felt the urge to yell out a "Hallelujah!"

I think that "review" cut to the core of everything I've been thinking and feeling for a while. See, my main issue is that I strattle the "Don't give a shit" Generation and the "Douchebag" Generation. There's a lack of belonging on my part. I loved Saved By The Bell and New Kids on The Block...but hate EVERYTHING that they spawned, yet at the same time I guess I helped create everything that they spawned.

Damnit, I feel so used and dirty.

Posted by: citizen_cris at April 11, 2008 7:11 PM

To.add.onto.that.:
Normally.i.love.your.site.and.reviews.

but.i.can.honestly.say.its.presumptuous.to.label.
the.current.15.to.24.yr.old.generation.as.
Douchebags.

What.the.hell.did.you.do.when.you.were.15?
People.dont.start.contributing.until.they.grow.up.
and.get.an.education.

I.graduated.
Im.buried.in.debt.I.make.artwork.Im.not.making.
any.money.Im.enjoying.life.
Im.also.typing.on.a.broken.keyboard,and.being.
broke.Ill.take.my.time.in.fixing.it.

Talk.to.me.or.anyother.Gen.Douche.in.a.few.years.
..Or.in.a.decade...when.Im.40.
I.am.not.defined.by.the.swill.that.surrounds.
And.that.includes.some.of.the.sanctimonious.shit.
I.hear.peddled.around.here.

Keep.calling.a.generation.worthless.or.SLACKER.
and.after.awhile,it.starts.to.fit.

Posted by: WhatThe? at April 11, 2008 7:20 PM

God. Qualifying your opinion by kissing ass. This is what the fucking Gen Xers love (I should know, I am one). They're just like their parents. You're talking about a generation that just fucking realized that 18 years old didn't make Saw. Maybe one day they'll wake up to the fact that 12 years old can't buy iPods and cell phones because they don't have any fucking money. Who the hell raised this generation? And why do only the teens get credit for Prom Night (slasher horror- now that's a genre that was made by the tweenies) but the rest of us get credit for There Will Be Blood and Juno? I've seen as many 20 year olds buy Modest Mouse and The Decemberists. But noooo, let's keep blaming it on the generation that was raised on film and television because a bunch of douchebags decided they wanted kids, they just didn't want to do the work.

Posted by: Sara at April 11, 2008 7:21 PM

Heyyyyy! You just made me feel guilty about my existence just by reviewing a movie.

Heyyyyy! You didn't even review the movie.

And I didn't even like New Kids or Saved by the Bell.

I am going to go hang my head in shame and I don't even know what the hell I did wrong.

Posted by: greer at April 11, 2008 7:48 PM

Why is it that when a shitfest like Superhero Movie comes out, the blame is on the writers who don't realize the joke wasn't funny the first time, but when a movie like this comes out, the response is a really nasty rant against an entire generation (that probably won't watch it)? Do you really expect Prom Night to do well at the box office? Give me and my peers some credit!! Also, apparently historical hindsight can turn any era into a milestone of cultural flourishing. Originality from the 90s? Get real.

Posted by: Kim at April 11, 2008 8:06 PM

Man, I want a better nickname for my generation (age 23), and a definitive one.

I hear Generation Y, Millennials (makes no sense) and now Generation Douchebag. And while I'll agree that people my age have perfected douchebaggery, to the point that cliches now exist in human form, I won't apologize.

I am sometimes stupid, I am sometimes lazy, I am sometimes unoriginal. My generation will continue to spawn equal parts good and bad, but we'll move forward. We'll get older, we'll find a musician to deify, and a filmmaker to glorify, and after all that, we'll lament the idiots that come after us. And life continues.

Posted by: E at April 11, 2008 8:09 PM

What The?-

1.) Isn't masturbation always self-directed? That or I'm doing it wrong.

2.) Also, I don't think Dustin is earnestly labeling each and every one of us douchebags. Because Dustin probably doesn't hang out with a lot of G-douchebaggers on a regular basis, he has to form his opinion based on the most visible among us. And in our technomological age, the most visible of us are often the stupidest (thanks, MTV!).

If you're going to take umbrage at Dustin's argument, I think that you could criticize his claim that the characteristics of our generation are ALL direct products of his. That's a little rich, don't you think? I mean, that would be like arguing that disenfranchisement and institutionalized oppression were directly responsible for the Harlem Renaissance, denying, you know, the PEOPLE actually responsible for the art.

I realize that I'm arguing that some bit of autonomy be attributed to our generations so-called suckitude, but... yeah, I guess that's what I'm doing. Maybe Dustin is in that phase of parenthood where you first start noticing that your actions have tangile consequences on your child's behavior? Maybe I'm grasping wildly at straws.

Either way, I think Dustin is aware that the 14-25 demographic is not comprised entirely of morons. He practically threw his grain of salt at us.

Posted by: becca at April 11, 2008 8:11 PM

Dustin - I feel bad about the way this comment thread is turning on you, so I wrote you this poem:

You might think "Once bitten, twice shy"
(but) Here I go again, Round and round
You spin me round (like a record)
I wanna rock - Pour some sugar on me
Talk dirty to me, Kiss me deadly
Slide it in, Animal (fuck like a beast)
Give it to me good
Not a minute too soon, Honestly
Up all night, Nothin' but a good time.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at April 11, 2008 8:18 PM

Wow.

This is really quite the review. A freakanomics like view of modern Hollywood. To tell you the truth, I kind of buy the general sentiment of it...but I don't think its new. Its all the same ground up chuck, its just that they have gotten exceedingly proficient at packaging it for one time use.

We're a disposable generation with disposable tastes and disposable income. Unfortunately we're becoming a disposable culture with disposable influence.

I love your reviews because they get me thinking about things bigger than cinema, yet rarely does it come off heavy handed like that is your intent at all.

Another great review, thanks.

Posted by: TajMc at April 11, 2008 8:20 PM

For someone afraid of getting lost amongst other posts, eager readers can check the "recent posts" at the bottom of the homepage to see if there's any new action in crowded or even dormant threads. Riskier later at night though. The spambots come out and fill up the recent posts in threads all over the place and your Hudson joke post just gets buried.

Now, my love letter following Dustin's apology.
In dealing with these circumstances, I'd have to say that Ted Leo is probably the greatest person alive. The guy's 37 but receives a shit ton of angry email if he hasn't booked an all-ages venue somewhere. He always tries to, though. Even got this dive bar in East Atlanta to let him have two shows the same day so there'd be a special early all-ages no alcohol set. I had a feeling that was the one to go to and it was wonderful. Plus the stage in that place is like six inches high, no barriers. I'm always in the older, smaller part of the audience, and he doesn't try to write from a teenage point of view or "for the kids", but he still connects. I've never seen him make or acknowledge any distinctions in age, apart from said logistics of venues sometimes being unsatisfactory. I'll see teenagers at the shows and this guy 20 years older is their punk rock guy, they didn't inherit him from older siblings or parents, he's never really been famous enough for that to happen anyway. And it's not about "here's the message from your hero", he wants people listening to go make the world better themselves, even pleads with them to. Even if there's songs about fears, doubts and problems of one's 30s, it's still sorta just shit everyone's dealing with in this country at many ages in one form or another. This is about his wife...but it's also about being in a rut and looking for help to get out of it. You could flip it around and say the Harry Potter kids are relatable to me and others my age and older, partly from memory but also because I'm still dealing with some of the same shit. Naturally, "Shake The Sheets" fit right into a geeky mix I made for a friend with a loose Harry theme. Ted does well with making specifics resound universally. "I haven't been in that situation, but I know the feeling you're talking about".


Huh?

Well DAAAMN, go get your hands on "Hearts of Oak" for a start and get familiar!

Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Wow, this review stirred up the type of animosity usually reserved for one of Rynalt's vocabulacous entries. Impressive.

We are not all lost causes, because we have good music and good books and good movies

They all say that Costello. Give it four years or so and you will be beaten into submission like the rest of us. If by some miracle you manage to keep a hold on your uniqueness, then you will surely die of a heroin overdose by the age of 27.

Also: I realize the word 'vocabulacous' does not exist, but it totally should.

Posted by: the_wakeful at April 11, 2008 8:49 PM

Pajiba, you've got much more nobility than I do. I'm not going to apologize for my generation. I took no part in it, okay? So maybe I had a backstreet boys CD... maybe I watched the first scary movie. But I was thirteen! And I paid the price, in more ways than one. But I refuse to shoulder the collective blame for tweeny hipsters and camwhores and text speak and all of that crap.

All that you see - the moronic, giggling masses babbling on their phones and the Bratz and the Idol and everything - it's depressing. But it's not so big. It's popularized, sure: mass consumption delivered to the door, but I'm not answering. And I think a lot of people are with me, hiding behind the curtains, staring in horror at what has become of the youth we are supposed to be a part of. There are a lot of us who abhor it as much as you do, and hopefully we can be a bit of a salve for the wounds you think you've inflicted not only upon this generation but yours as well. Heavy handedness aside now and to everyone freaking out:
calm the fuck down and read a damn book or something.

and JP: OMG I LOL'D FUCK ME

Posted by: Lola at April 11, 2008 8:53 PM

Fourkings, The Strangers looks like something I'm going to be making fun of in a few months while catching the 3:00 matinee showing.

And, to throw my two cents in, every generation thinks that the one before them is an outdated jackoff and that the one after them is filled with spoiled, bratty little fucks. So Dustin's completely right- this review is still going to be pertinent in 20 years when our own kids are grown up enough to access the interwebs and get on mouthy movie review sites. Let's just hope that the current generation of fuckups can do a good job of teaching their kids how to spout their own opinionated bullshit half as eloquently.

Posted by: Jaci at April 11, 2008 8:54 PM

...sooooooooooo....the movie was bad then?


also, i'm kind of offended by all the justin timberlake bashing.
just cause he's actually amazing.


but yeah; let's sum everything up in that every generation ever sucks in some way or another and drink a gin and tonic.
i won't say on me cause I'm in college and super poor...
...but you know. We'll just toast to mediocrity!

Posted by: rica at April 11, 2008 8:54 PM

For those of you blaming the Baby Boomers:

Who raised them? Who decided that the city with all the hooligans was too scary and moved to the suburbs? Who decided that atom bombs were exciting and that hiding under a sassafrassin' desk with your arms covering your head was a good defense against nuclear annihilation? Who created consumerism in the first place?

The greatest generation. But then who raised that generation?

And so on.

So, really, you could probably trace this all back to the dawn of time.

Or you could simplify it and say that most people are douchebags, and these douchebags will grow up and breed more douchebags. That's a lot easier.

Posted by: Rosie at April 11, 2008 9:05 PM

I actually think it's encouraging that our society is safe and affluent enough where morons haven't been been eaten by bears, or starved to death from lack of marketable skills.

Now thats what I call progress.

p.s. I'm 24, and damn proud I'm not a Gen X-er.

Posted by: Oh Henry at April 11, 2008 9:20 PM

^^Looking back at that, that was a little bitchy and came out kind of wrong.

Just meant that let's all hope that our kids can verbalize their opinions as eloquently as most of the Pajibians can.

Posted by: Jaci at April 11, 2008 9:20 PM

Maybe it was just a right time, right place sort of coincidence, because Kurt Cobain is just so horribly overrated.

Posted by: gravyboat at April 11, 2008 9:41 PM

It's not that we were shitty and, because of that, the current generation is 100% made out of douchebags. Not only both parts are not true, there is a serious non-sequitur in relating those.

We, 30-somethings, were living our times and places accordingly then. It wasn't so much about sarcasm and it didn't harm anyone, sure. And yet, people in their 30s created Pajiba to discuss what is usually called "junk culture" sarcastically. And we're doing fine and I just love it here.

The problem is not what we were then, but what a lot of us are now. We are the media that promotes the douchebaggery portion of the current generation. We do that because we want to stay on top and give no seats to these youngsters who'll be out there to get our jobs, and because we've mastered the post-War stupidity of putting money above it all, and because, well, we realized money comes more easily from fools with money, so we throw our calls at the naïve. We've created a whole new stupidity-glorious culture by ourselves as adults -- it's amazing how many young adults (25 to 35-year-olds) I see on a daily basis that are absolutely out of touch, Soundgarden-smiling and quite happily giving speeches on how McDonald's is perfect food and these newfangled commies should just shut the fuck up.

Promoting a Generation Douchebag on the media is not the same as having them all like that. We should know that: in our secret rooms during our secret meetings, we've crafted the brilliant term "Generation Douchebag" to capitalize on them, we were smart enough for that. So we should also know the difference between image and reality -- and pseudo-reality induced by the media on the more weak-minded individuals. Hell, we manipulate all three, we should know what they're about!

We didn't make it then; we're making it right now.

Posted by: gargumma at April 11, 2008 9:57 PM

gargumma- I thought it was simply understood that we were acknowledging the "Generation Douchebag" moniker as one created out of the hyper-real mess it describes. I think we all know that the Gen-Y images Dustin evoked are self-conscious ones, not necessarily borne of some organic reality within the self, but of a collective crafted reality. These kids today are meta and even they don't know what it is, they know they're it.

Posted by: becca at April 11, 2008 10:13 PM

I love Pajiba; I trust Pajiba. But this review made me identify with Pajiba in ways I never dreamed possible. Drunk? Yes. But you have defined the 90's for me in a way I never thought possible. Thanks from the bottom of my black little drunken heart.

Unbelievably enough, I wrote my thesis on gender in horror films (in Spanish, no less). So nothing makes me sicker than the thought that the current generation is abusing all the progress we made. We had the Final Girl, for God's sake! Okay. I'm done.

Posted by: Baby Friday at April 11, 2008 10:33 PM

becca, I guess they don't know what it is and we contribute to that, not only by not educating, but also by not stopping the douche-promotion.

They think it's ok to be like that because we (the collective 30-somethings) foment it.

Maybe the moniker was actually created out of our hyper-real overloaded times, not from our generation, I don't really know. (I really doubt they would be pleased to call themselves that, even the most stupid of the fratboys, or be cynical enough to get the "walrusy joke". But, again, I don't really know).

I'm just not sure about a "collective crafted reality".

Posted by: gargumma at April 11, 2008 10:34 PM

Crap.
How many times have I growled at my parents, "I don't care about money"? Or, "My definition of comfort does not necessitate a summer property and two SUV's"? Or, "How can you give your life over to a cause you care nothing about, strictly so you can collect your paycheque and buy more STUFF?"
Have you just told me that all my semi-Socialist angst has all been for naught, as I will one day inevitably discover my inner capitalist and develop an unquenchable need for a Chanel wardrobe and a large suburban osasis?

Posted by: Ling at April 11, 2008 11:04 PM

Thanks Dustin, but you don't have to apologize. Let's face; you drink a twelve pack of beer, and wake up in a pool of what you can only hope is your puke, you don't blame the beer. The beer did not tie you down bondage style, crack itself open and pour itself down your throat whilst it's booze-bretheren chant "Chug! Chug! Chug!". Consumption is the fault of the consumers, who, being unable to enjoy their own lives, must watch others in order to feel validated.

So Dustin, and to all Pajiba readers, on behalf of my generation, I sincerely aplogize. I apologize for Miley Cyrus. I apologize for every single youtube "Celebrity". I apologize for the Jonas Brothers. I apologize for Tila Tequila. I apologize for every single televised abortion MTV calls Reality TV. I apologize for Zac Efron. GOD, how I regret that one. I aplogize for High School Musical. I apologize for Soulja Boy, and every other rapper who sounds as though they have a terrible case of Tourret's Syndrome. I apologize for Napoleon Dynamite, and for the desecration of the beloved Juno. I apologize for Maroon Five, Avril Lavigne, Fall Out Boy, and every other piece of mass produced music.

On Behalf of today's teenagers: Pajiba, I'm sorry. My bad.

Sincerely,

Everyone under the age of 18.

Posted by: Jeremy at April 11, 2008 11:08 PM

Whether or not you have parents like that to begin with is probably a factor. Not that your parents are good or bad for you in that respect, I obviously don't know them. But I think the way that money is, and how one's parents treat it, in your family when you're growing up will affect how you feel about it later, and that can stay with you a long time.

Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2008 11:21 PM

Do you really expect Prom Night to do well at the box office? Give me and my peers some credit!!

ATTENTION PAJIBA: Please make a note of this comment for use in next week's Box Office Roundup.

Posted by: Jerce at April 11, 2008 11:32 PM

Let me start by saying I'm an 18-year-old girl who has been lurking on Pajiba since it's inception. In fact, it's what I was usually doing when my peers were trying to squeeze in as many keggers as possible. I'm not unattractive or socially inept, I blend right in with others in my generation. I just chose to go the other way. My favorite band is the Beatles, I can recite Heathers in it's entirety, I'd rather watch Jon Stewart than Tyra Banks, and My Super Sweet 16 and The Hills make my soul hurt.

And I'm not the only one. Listen, Gen-Xers, I know you feel bad that the generation that will wind up taking care of you when you're old is made up of mostly douchebags and it's kind of your fault. But I'm here to tell you, there is hope. There are people I know, myself included, that will suck on the creative teat of previous generations and care very little about the shit we're spoon-fed. And we have you to thank. You told us how awesome John Hughes' movies were, so we watched them. You said that nothing today compared to Nirvana? We listened. You telling us that our generation was cursed by shallow materialism and vapidity? We agreed, and thus rebelled. So don't feel bad that you're responsible for the cinematic abortions Generation Y is forced to consume. By constantly whining about how much we suck in comparison to you, you've given us so much, and we thank you.

Posted by: Brie at April 12, 2008 12:10 AM

gargumma- I guess by collective crafted reality, which is kind of a douchey phrase if we're being all honest and whatnot, I was mainly getting at (poorly) was a layer of reality that these kids not only perceive but in which they also perceive their role. This certainly isn't a new idea, but when they walk down the street, through school halls, etc, they're starring in their own movie or music vehicle or any other starring vehicle at pretty much every moment. Some are more aware than others of this perpetual performance.

That said, I'm sure people have been crafting and starring in their own narratives since the beginning of time; unfortunately, thanks to the availability of media outlets, the quality of source material has just plummeted.

Also, none of what I just said was either a) particularly well thought through, thanks to the wine beside me, or b) meant to be new or exciting or more relevant than anything else. Just to cover my ass against the smarty-pajiba-pants.

Posted by: becca at April 12, 2008 12:40 AM

Dammit, already mixing up words and not even to the bar yet. It's going to be a Generation Douchey kind of night.

Posted by: becca at April 12, 2008 12:45 AM

Dustin, you're review only missed out on one simple fact. It isn't about the 15-24 bracket. It's about the human race as a whole. The fact is that at any given time 99% of people are animals concerned with nothing more than sex and food. In our lifetime most of us are given a few special brief moments when we are touched by something more. Than there's that 1% that push the human race forward. The truly unique, the genius, the insane. The rest of us cling to those brief memories of something more like fading dreams while desperately crying "we are more than sheep ..."

Posted by: LittleDead at April 12, 2008 12:48 AM

Wow. I didn't know so many gross generalizations could be contained in one paragraph until I read the beginning of this review.

How many 18-24 year-olds do you actually interact with regularly, Dustin? I understand that you were trying to be funny, but do you realize you just insulted a large chunk of your readership? And no, we're not "outliers." I'm a grad student who teaches 18-year-old college freshmen, and for every vapid twit glued to her Blackberry, I've got four or five smart, funny, interesting students well aware of the sorry state of their cultural inheritance. There will always be annoying, embarrassing people in the world, and just because they're louder and more noticeable (especially when they're young) doesn't mean they're the majority.

Besides, middle-aged studio execs have always been the ones shoving trash down teenage throats (have you seen some of those 50's beach comedies? Jesus).

And for the record, I actually liked this review. I just don't like generalizations, probably because I've been trained to take points off for them--and I've come to hold Dustin's reviews to a pretty high standard, since they're usually so good. So really, this nitpicky-ness is a compliment. Yeah.

Posted by: TT at April 12, 2008 1:02 AM

becca, be sure I can't be counted as one of those at all. When I say "I really don't know", you bet I mean it!

Also... you say wine, I say heavy meal, time zone and a hard friday. I'll be appalled in the morning that I could write in English.

Posted by: gargumma at April 12, 2008 1:31 AM

TT- good call on the Beach Comedies. Greatest Generation, my ass. Nostalgia can be a dangerous thing.

OK, that was maybe mean. I'm stepping away from the computer now.

Posted by: becca at April 12, 2008 1:43 AM

Fuck you, some of those people read this site. I hate being grouped together with my generation but I didn't really have a goddamn choice now did I.
Grr

Posted by: Alex McQ at April 12, 2008 2:29 AM

Everyone is to blame. Always.

The fact is, Gen X (still the worst name ever for anything ever,) and its seeming influence isn't anything new, its just prevalent as it was the generation at the precipice of the Information Age. So as a 27 year old, i'm not a Gen X'er but i've had its colostomy bag of stale characteristics (that apply to most post-modern youth in privileged countries) funneled into my eat-hole my entire life. Well as long as I've had independent thought.

I agree with TT, with 18-24 (me barely not being one,) I can with confidence say that its not a that this generation is the problem. If anything, call out my generation (Twixters? Y? Whatever.) We have very few of our own archetypes, instead we have taken to the nostolgia of youth Gen X started and just watered it down some more. We have no discerning (read: awful) stereotype besides our jarring fear of commitment to pretty much everything. I will give the generation below me credit, they seem to be a lot more self-aware than I was when I was their age, and maybe we'll be so self-involved with our childhood and pretending to understand Generation X's that this new Generation will think of something new.

(Wishful thinking, Soulja boys.)

- Oh, if we're sticking with hasty generalizations, is it fair to assume Gen X's way of protest is getting paid to do something half-assed? Like say get paid a crotch-load to re-write a movie that was already made?
You Brilliant bastards.

Posted by: TajMc at April 12, 2008 2:36 AM

I hope the irony came through on that...

Posted by: tajmc at April 12, 2008 2:39 AM

As someone at the back end of that 15-24 year old demographic I'd like to say thanks assholes. Seriously though, we can't be the only ones watching Scary Movie 8 and Alvin and the Chipmunks. I'm not even sure we are the main culprits. In fact I'm pretty sure we aren't because I can't find anyone on the back end of that demographic who watches that stuff. I think its all the lazy ass parents who don't know what to do with their damn kids.

Posted by: Dave at April 12, 2008 3:37 AM

wow, quite a lot of defensiveness from our younger brethren...but of course, it may be recognizable to us of a certain age as being the exact way we felt when our unchosen connection to the masses was highlighted and lamented. My step-sister looked to barf at all my Cyndi and DuranDuran...but I thought it was fully awesome because it was MINE. And all these kids want is just stuff to call their own while being agressively, purposely, stupified by a wealth of low calorie options. It will always be the same.

You can make up for it by doing what you do here at Pajiba - make available quality recommendations and mentor the ones you can get the attention of into taking chances on the best works you know. It makes you 'old', but suck it up. There will always be a 'new voice' that will come from within the ranks and cut the crap, but they must come from within and be created by the effects of the self-same ranks. Let it be. Our time of calling the shots will end soon enough - and yet we've gone ahead with the money motive just the same, because of our limited time. The smart amongst us will figure out how to profit from decent works, and the rest ought to be called out.

So, just keep on keeping on, my friends, and trust that the young will get there. Riding Murder Tank 2.0.

Posted by: replica at April 12, 2008 3:41 AM

*saves whole discussion*

I'm so glad there has been intelligent output from younger Pajiba readers. As someone who doesn't live in the U.S. I hadn't actually seen any proof of your existence until now.

To revert back to my most boring side:
You should try using it like a suffix, that's my own personal favorite. Like hipsterrific. Or hipsterical. Or hispterectomy.

Funny, but inaccurate use of the term suffix - it's something you add to the end of a word. I guess it's not that usual in English, but in Latin for example it's the cum (with) part in mecum, tecum etc. (with me, with you).

Cheerio, from me who also had things to say about umlauts (switch-sounds, if you take the German literally which boring Scandinavians of course do)

Posted by: ScandinavianBlonde at April 12, 2008 5:24 AM

Great, let's reinforce the whole victimization and "I's not my fault" mentality of the 15 to 24 year old generation. My generation forced this culture on them and they had no choice. Poor darlings. Couldn't they have said no? Couldn't they have questioned it? Couldn't they have called bullshit? It's been done before (avante garde, jazz age, rock 'n roll, hippies, punks, grunge).

Here is one hopeful sign. If this movie does $20,000,000, that means about 2.5 million kids aged 15 - 24 would have gone (assuming that only 15 to 24 year olds went). With a total population of around 42 million, that means only around 6% of this generation will have thought enough to pony up the dough to watch this cinematic defecant.

With 94% staying away, that gives me hope for the current 15 to 24 year olds...

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Posted by: Young at April 12, 2008 10:39 AM

I'm not quite sure what to add here, feeling emotional and verbose but also somewhat confused. Dustin, your review was stirring in several different ways, and the ire I felt at a perceived insult has been diffused by reading the entire comment thread (god, I never get through the whole thing). Yes, I'm 20, and I grew up without a TV, and I have to figure out how to make my own money, and have done interesting and smart things in my life, and yes, I find the sea of stupidity surrounding me and (more frighteningly) my 15 year old sister loathsome beyond measure. And I agree with numerous commentators above who say that being disgusted with both older and younger generations is a trademark of humanity. I feel that your generalizations are silly and overwrought, if powerfully eloquent.
But I do, also, think that you are correct (partially, at least) in asserting that this generation is different; that while the trend towards stupidity is mostly the fault of the human race, things are speeding up a bit. And, as I have often felt overwhelmed by this tide towards idiocracy, I've had a lot of time to think about why.
In my short life I have rallied behind spiritual, political, and artist movements of grassroots organizers and strong individuals and healthy alternatives yadda yadda yadda... but ultimately panicked at the dark, crushing cloud of impossibility that seems to loom over every attempt towards positive change. What I have eventually come to realize about myself especially (a hypothesis I tentatively extend onto more, or much more, of my age bracket) is that the will to change has not disappeared, but all viable methods have been proven largely ineffective. We know, thanks in part to pop culture history, that immersion in mind-opening drugs and commitment to Peace result mainly in spaced out, sold out middle aged democrats. Political rallies and large public marches, while entertaining, never make the news anymore and hardly change public opinion or expand public knowledge. An ear for progressive music with hope-inspring or call-to-arms lyrics? (With any lyrics that really address anything controversial?) Don't expect it to circle in mainstream eddies. What about art? Can't art change the world? The public stopped going to galleries after being utterly alienated by Minimalism (Andy Warhol was the last artist (so far) able to be recognized in a magazine ad without his name accompanying the picture).
I am generalizing, and I know that there are plenty of exceptions to my vague assertions. Grassroots internet organization has, after all, proven kind of awesome - although, again, the vast majority of internet activity does not even bump up against moveon.org or its ilk. However, I stand by the idea that change or cultural betterment now appears so out of reach that the apathy and ignorance garishly displayed in our nation's high schools is, for many, not so much a disease as a personal (if unconscious) decision. In the face of impossible odds, it is, as they say, bliss.

I am going to add a P.S. here and say: Really? You don't think we know what irony is? Bullshit - it's the only way I know how to get through the day.

Posted by: Lyra at April 12, 2008 11:11 AM

Man, I swear my paragraph breaks were more visible in this little comment box. Sorry guys.

Posted by: Lyra at April 12, 2008 11:12 AM

Great review, Dustin.

There is little more I can add to what has already been eloquently espoused upon. I will say that JP's original comment was one of the best poorly-written entries I have seen in a while. It looked damn genuine, well done! It's not as easy as it looks.

My daughter (she turns 8 in June) was out shopping with my mother-in-law and they were in the toy aisle. They came upon some Hannah Montana merchandise and when my mother-in-law asked my daughter, "You like Hannah Montana, right?" She cooly replied, "Um, no."

I was so proud.

Posted by: Rob at April 12, 2008 11:54 AM

With a total population of around 42 million, that means only around 6% of this generation will have thought enough to pony up the dough to watch this cinematic defecant.

Thought? Thought?! If thought leads to the watching of this, then we are in serious trouble.

Congrats Rob, good for her.

Posted by: HedonismBot at April 12, 2008 12:04 PM

Y'know, I'm not sure whether I'm a little offended, agreeing that the majority of that age bracket seems to have been dropped on its (collective) head, or bored of seeing social commentary disguised as a movie review. I know, I know, this site started out as a political blog and y'all are totally pedantic and old and crotchety...

I would like to point out that I am 21 and almost completely self-sufficient; I say almost because it's my parents that won't let go, and I'm not dumb enough not to take what I can get. But I graduated high school at 16 (oh thank gods), I got a full-time job at 17, and I moved out at 19. I own a car, I own a horse and two cats, I have a great job; I do not have a Facebook or a MySpace, I use my LJ to read about stupidity, collect macros, and sometimes get some writing ideas down so I don't lose them completely, and generally the only thing I use Google for is looking up porn.

So I guess I'm one of those outliers, bitchiness and tendency to procrastinate aside.

Posted by: Cuno at April 12, 2008 12:21 PM

Ok, so i'm back after going and getting pretty drunk last night. Back with a ever so slight hangover and maybe some new perspective.

One of the things I am accused of being across my various haunts on the internets (there are many besides pajiba) is too relentlessly optimistic about humanity. But you know what? I'm relentlessly optimistic about humanity.

I refuse to believe that society and culture are in a downward spiral. I think we not only still produce beautiful, wonderful art of many forms, but that we produce MORE, BETTER art today than we ever have at any time in human history. We have more talented people doing cooler things with their lives than ever before. The state of art and culture is just fine if you ask me.

Sure, there is a section of culture (a large section) which is mass produced, low quality, and exists only to please morons (in our opinion). But this has always been true. In our nostalgia for time period X, we remeber the classics and forget how much crap was around back then too.

The bottom line is this. I suppose what really touched a nerve and prompted me to protest Dustin's review is his tone and his implicit assumption that culture is in the shitter. I disagree sir. I think we have more talented artists in more artistic fields than at any time in human history, and I believe things are getting better, not worse. Somebody made a crappy movie, it happens. Society and culture will march on.

Don't be such a downer. If you spend too much time bemoaning the loss of all things good, you're missing out on the amazing stuff still being made.

Posted by: Jeremiah at April 12, 2008 12:35 PM

I'm used to the superiority complex that pervades this website. Most of the time I even enjoy it, because it is nice to get a counter point to the average movie review. But regardless of who Dustin is blaming for his gripes with the younger generation, the level of disdain he expresses for the 15-24 set has become obnoxious.


A lot of teenagers aren't thinking deep thoughts or resisting conformity - they're trying to get through school and find friends and deal with their parents and figure out what they want to do with their life. And if every time they turn around there's some asshole bitching about how the music they listen to or the movies they like makes them brainless sell-outs, they're going to say fuck you and turn on someone that doesn't judge them - like Hannah Montana, or Fergie, or JT.


I'm one of the people you're ranting about. I have an ipod and I use facebook and I enjoy trashy reality tv. I have a ton of student debt, and I loved Lindsay Lohan in Mean Girls.


I'm also a law student at one of the best schools in the country. I've been published in a scholarly journal, I've worked for a public defender and with refugee claimants. Instead of bitching about the kids today, I teach mock trial and debate to some of them.


I don't like all of the popular culture that's out there today, and I don't like everything the younger generation does. But I don't write them off en masse. I've seen a group of two dozen giggling, text-messaging, ipod-listening kids become absolutely rapt with attention listening to talks about Foucault. I've seen teenagers give up their swim/flirting time at summer camp because they would rather ask us to teach them about Tibet. I've seen kids who didn't know what "attorney" meant work their ass off for three weeks because they wanted to give a perfect cross-examination.


And given all that, I'd rather write off the 30-something set as self-impressed, do-nothing, non-conformist for the sake of it assholes. Then again, I wouldn't presume that everyone in a generation (or everyone except a few outliers) is the same as their pop culture representatives.

Posted by: 23 year old at April 12, 2008 12:36 PM

I'm not entirely sure what this will add to the discussion, but since when has that been an issue here?

I rarely post comments of substance, mostly because, like now I'm a little late in the game. I'm a member of Generation Douchebag, and I'm taking it in stride. Roll with the punches people. Like many of the comments have said, every generation loathes and abhors the generations preceding and following them, it's inherent. What you don't have to do is conform to all the bullshit that's spit out by the billionaires that run the media/country.

I've loved a lot of things in my 21 years: NKOTB (I still have cassettes and dolls...and towels...that I use), BsB (especially Nick Carter, which spawned Aaron Carter, which spawned House of Carters, but I didn't watch it), Britney, Hanson, A Knight's Tale, Summer Catch, NEWSIES, Swing Kids, Scream, Shia TheBeef, Supernatural, LaLohan, and anything that has to do with Sarah Michelle Gellar (even Simply Irresistable), just to name a few.

But I've also loved a lot of other things, things that may be more pertinent to the Pajibature that might be appreciated: Wes Anderson creations, There Will Be Blood, The Beatles, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Dave Eggers and his absolute genius, as well as Palahniuk, Chabon, and Safran Foer. I adore She & Him (Thanks Evil Beet!), Wilco, and Amos Lee who opened for Elvis Costello who opened for Bob Dylan and His Band was an amazing concert.

Peter Bondanella was my hero at IU (check him out if you don't know him, he's pretty tight with Fellini), and I'm doing a thesis on the cross-country comparisons of representation of women in government in the US and Ireland so yeah, I like school too.

I'm the oldest of six kids and the youngest ones (5 & 8) love Hannah, Amanda, Drake, Josh, Carly, SpongeBob, and the WonderPets. And I love them. They're not lost. They're not hopeless. And I went to the Hannah Montana and Jonas Brothers concert with them - and I had fun.

I know this site is about bitchy people and bitchy reviews and overall bitchiness, but you can bitch without hating everyone. There are outliers, there are good ones in the bunch - there always are, and there always will be. Our generation will lead to the next Generation Douchebag, as has been stated, and so on and so on. Have hope. I do. The kids might not be alright, but they will be, and if not, I'm sure we'll have invented something to help us deal with the incessant yammering by the time we're as old as the Gen Xers.


Maybe sometime I'll have something funny to post so I can get on that list. ...I'm working on it.

Posted by: Kash at April 12, 2008 12:36 PM

Also, I worked for Obama in Chicago, went to Iowa for two weeks to help with the caucusing, then St. Louis, South Carolina, and Ohio; as a full time student.

And I have a facebook account.

And I love Pajiba.

And pretty much every single one of Dustin's reviews.

Posted by: Kash at April 12, 2008 12:41 PM

Alright, I got here kinda late because my first thought was "Prom Night?!? Fuck that noise, I'm never gonna see that movie" and then the comments exploded and I realized I clearly missed something. Anyway, I am 21, here's my take:

1. As someone with insider information on the music business, I can tell you that the reason music today is not creative and all sounds the same is because the Napster incidents of the late 90's caused so much loss in the record companies (who, admittedly, need to change how they do business) that edgy interesting bands aren't getting signed. The bands that get signed are the bands that sound like everyone else, because it's not risky to think they'll sell.
2. Facebook and Myspace, social networking sites that allow bands to distribute their music to fans directly, are where the new voices and creativity are coming from. You just have to look for it. And blah blah "facebook/myspace is selling out and turning brains to mush" blah, whatever, it's the new media, and it's where new talent is coming from.
3. I will not apologize for my generation. You want to paint us all with the same brush, then I don't have respect for your opinion anyway. The loudest and most obnoxious of any generation or movement get the most attention, there's more than enough of us waiting in the shadows for the Boomers and Gen X to step aside and let us have our turn.

Cream rises to the top, y'all. Wait and see.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at April 12, 2008 12:47 PM

It's Gen X's fault that Prom Night sucks? Please. I no more blame Russ Meyer for Porky's than I credit Stanley Kubrick for Star Wars or Close Encounters. Every generation produces their own geniuses, and morons, and it's up to vox populi to sort the wheat from the chaff. The 70's was a great era for films (Godfathers, Deliverance, Rocky, Star Wars, Apocalypse Now), the '80's for music (Police, Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna, U2) the 90's and early 21st century had some of the best television ever - Simpsons (ok, started in '89, was awesome in the '90's), Seinfeld, X Files, Sopranos, The Wire. It's up to kids today to come up with great web content. By which I don't mean Rick Rolling.

Posted by: hendero at April 12, 2008 12:58 PM

Also (as long as I've got my rant on) I'm sick of people going on about Kurt Cobain like he was some kind of god. He had a band that hit the right time for their message, if you want to point at the genius that came out of Nirvana then point at Dave Grohl. Yeah, he's not as romantic because he's still alive, but he's an amazing all around musician who consistently produces thoughtful and interesting music. His work with Queens of the Stone Age and Tenacious D only further speak to his dedication to the art form.

Sorry, as a musician it's just a pet peeve of mine. I'm done, I promise.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at April 12, 2008 1:03 PM

Generation Douchebag....where's the subtlety? I like everything that "iGen" entails.

Posted by: jbag at April 12, 2008 1:04 PM

In approximately 8 months I'll be edged out of the "douchebag" generation bracket that you've described. Its brightly colored reality-tv, paparazzi enflamed scars, however, will always remain.

That was an excellent review. We all knew that this movie wouldn't be an entity unto itself. Thank for making it clear what purpose it actually served.

Dustin 4vr~

Posted by: cordata at April 12, 2008 1:11 PM

I'm 17 years old and I'm a good fucking person, okay?

I can't really understand why you can't understand the popularity of films like this with my generation. We don't go to the cinema in order to have a spiritual experience, or intellectual enlightenment or even to see a good film. We go, with only a vague knowledge of what's actually on, because we want something to do with our friends. We want to get out of the damn house for a couple of hours and piss around in a movie theatre.

Some of my friends are smart, some aren't. Some like horror, some like action, some like romance. We see films like this because it's just fucking easier. The ones that aren't smart are entertained because they understand what's going on, the smart ones are entertained by making fun of how shit it is.

We are aware of the fact that it isn't art. We know it's not going to affect us in some meaningful, life-changing way. We've probably forgotten its crappy existence by the time we've finished our Pizza Hut. We won't buy it when it comes out on DVD.

Granted, I'm British so I don't know that much about the youths in America. But we give a shit the stuff that matters. We think that Paris Hilton is a useless twat who's fun to laugh at. Mostly, we feel frustrated and disillusioned that the world is a piece of shit we can't do anything about yet apart from give money to whatever charity comes into college that week. So, we watch things like High School Musical and Hannah Montana because it has nothing to do with anything, and we can laugh and singalong and dance with our friends.

It's called escapism, and and do it because we're still too young to handle a world that is so fucking bleak.

I love Pajiba, and this review was really well-written, however wrong I feel it is. But I love my generation, unconditionally, whatever our faults. I should be used to people writing us off, it happens often enough. It still makes me sad, and angry, and a little bit betrayed that no one seems to want to understand us. We are fucking human beings.

Posted by: Biro at April 12, 2008 1:32 PM

J'agree (the first paragraph, that is). I love that every twenty-something who commented here felt the need to establish themselves as emotionally-trodden, deeply individualistic individuals who (presumably) skateboarded around in middle school and high school to Nirvana while all the other kids danced their lives away to boy bands in order to defend their (and my) generation of lame-os. But, you know, Mr. Rowles, it is rather presumptuous, and mildly (read: wildly) offensive, of you to assume that we -- all us 15 to 24 year-olds of America -- aspire to the Ho-hanesque lifestyle of lip injections and leggings and stints in rehab.

There will always be a backlash against such superficiality, some sort of pop culture avant-garde, though this time around it's not built around such a unified front as Kurt Cobain. So, dig a little deeper, Mr. Rowles. Or maybe you haven't really considered the possibility that you haven't been cool enough (read: young enough) to scratch below the surface of the current trends.

Posted by: Jessica at April 12, 2008 1:41 PM

Lyra, you summed up so much of what I wanted to say, right down to the "feeling emotional and verbose but somewhat confused." After spending a good chunk of time reading the entire thread, I feel that on behalf of my generation, I should speak out. This review reminds me of a paper I wrote last year where we were asked to analyze and define our [my] generation. Truthfully, I found the task to be quite overwhelming, mostly because I feel that I, like basically every other person on the planet, am a product my upbringing as well as my generation: I was raised in a house without cable TV, a microwave, prepackaged food [minus frozen pizzas], or even an answering machine. I grew up listening to NPR, my favorite band when I was 4 was the Rolling Stones [they were pretty fun to dance to], and I was probably the only first grader whose parents encouraged her to watch the Simpsons [it was family bonding]. And yet, I still like trashy reality shows, I listen to terrible hiphop in the car [NY radio stations suck, and I'm too cheap for an ipod] and yeah, I have a facebook - for staying in touch with a lot of my high school friends, most of whom go to school near my home, whereas I live 1000 miles away.

My point is: the lines between two things that seem inherent opposites often blur. I don't think that I'm a lost cause for liking SOME things that my generation will probably be remembered for, and I believe it's possible to stay current on trends and whatnot [because that kind of information can actually be, you know, relevant, if for sociological purposes if nothing else] without selling out - even though apparently, my generation had nothing to begin with. While I think it's sad to reduce an entire generation into people who "wallow in mediocrity like dogs in fresh cow shit," I think it's important to recognize that it doesn't matter who or what is to blame for the fact the Hannah Montana is a multi-platinum selling singer. Eventually, all the 15-24 year olds will grow up [and while we're on it, can we refrain from putting Hannah Montana into Generation Dbag? She's a lot younger than a majority of us, and I feel like she's more or less the icon for whatever generation's coming after us], and while shitty tastes in music might never change, that often doesn't give a clear indication of what kind of contributions those people can give to our world. I'm pretty optimistic about the fact that more 18-24 year olds than ever are getting involved in the political process, and [well, at the school I'm at anyway] taking more proactive stances on global issues, like humanitarian rights and the climate crisis. Fear not, Gen Xers, today's youth is not entirely comprised of Douchebags. And for what it's worth, the "Now that's what I call Pajiba!" music diversion from several months ago was nearly identical to a large portion of my music library, and I can attest that a lot my peers appreciate and enjoy that kind of music as well.

Posted by: nona at April 12, 2008 1:47 PM

Here here, Biro! You said all the things I forgot to say!

Posted by: Kash at April 12, 2008 1:56 PM

I'm in the same camp as Sara, Flannery, and most of all, Jeremiah. (Well-spoken, Jeremiah!)

Next, I think 15-24 is a pretty wide demographic. I am 23, and I feel no kinship with anyone born in 1990 or later. I believe the standard age brackets used for most focus groups/ratings/etc are 13-17 and then 18-24, and there's a reason for that. 9th graders are often too busy worrying about changing in gym class and new pimples and fitting in to be concerned with the future of popular culture. And, to that end, have you ever noticed how EVERY 13-15 year-old-girl knows the words to every song on the radio? In the early teen years, fitting in is everything, and unfortunately the abysmal Miley Cyrus, Drake & Josh, and High School Musical! are a common denominator for middle-schoolers to talk about at lunch.

But even then, there are members of this demographic who break the mold, who have already discovered that film is art, and who prefer Ben-Hur to Epic Movie. That's the case in any demographic.

So please, in the future, don't group 10th graders in with college graduates!

And you know, in the grand scheme of things, as Biro said, we are all human beings. And given the amount of effort and indignation that has gone into all the comments on this post alone, it makes me wonder if it's not time to wander away from Pajiba for a while. What if the time we all spent reading comments, replying, typing and retyping our comments for maximum effect and pithy commentary-- what if we instead spent that time doing something helpful or constructive? While Dustin may be completely disenchanted with the pop culture of American youth, I am completely disenchanted by the situation in Darfur. I am upset and indignant over human rights violations in countries the world over. I am shocked that every day 35,000 children die of starvation around the world. And those children will never have the chance to grab a cellphone, log in to MySpace, make a LOLcat Bible, or even become a member of "Generation Douchebag," current or future edition.

We are all human beings. And there are many larger problems to worry about than a lame, forgettable remake of Prom Night.

*climbs off soapbox*

Posted by: Micheru at April 12, 2008 2:22 PM

Through history pop(ular) culture has always gone through these eat your own young type of cycles. I bet my last five bucks that there was a group of folk standing around ancient Rome watching the crowds going nuts at the Circus for the day's Gladiators with ironic detachment wondering why the rest bothered. It was the birth of irony; squalling and screeching it's newborn detestation for the watering down of what it saw as more valid cultural pursuits.

Nothing's changed millennia later and the pessimist in me thinks that it's simply the nature of the beast. Any time you have a vast, disparate group of people that have to share a culture without necessarily sharing a language or religion the Powers That Be will attempt to pull them together by providing a cultural framework that transcends the existing differences. That culture will always pander to the lowest common demoninator in an attempt to make the cultural product resonate across the board. A side effect of this unforunately is the unholy dumbing down of culture.

Today's Miley Cyrus is yesteryear's Young Werther and the Pussy Cat Dolls are our gladiators. The only sad difference is that we don't get to see someone run a trident through Robin Antin or Hannah Montana blowing out her brains as a finale. In the meantime until the new cultural messiah appears on the horizion to shake things up before being eaten alive by the cultural machine those of us who want better are just going to have to continue talking out of the side of our mouths about how good things used to be.

Posted by: Ms. Parker at April 12, 2008 2:41 PM

I just turned 27, and I don't feel like I belong to ANY generation. It saddens me greatly.

Posted by: Roads at April 12, 2008 2:55 PM

Well said sir!

Posted by: Brian at April 12, 2008 3:52 PM

Costello, it's a delight to read a post by an articulate and thoughtful young person.

And to answer what you've been wondering about,

Your generation will make it (or not) the same way my generation and every generation before and after it did: by accident.

Posted by: magsman at April 12, 2008 4:11 PM

Thanks ROB and LOLA for the compliments. I have to acknowledge my source material: The one time I happened upon Real World/Road Rules Guantlet. Though I swear half the people on that show are older than me and I have been out of high school for over 15 years.

Posted by: JP at April 12, 2008 5:12 PM

ScandinavianBlonde said: I'm so glad there has been intelligent output from younger Pajiba readers. As someone who doesn't live in the U.S. I hadn't actually seen any proof of your existence until now.

That's exactly my point, thanks, Blonde! Dustin and, I believe, most Pajibans live in the US. And you guys see it the way described in the review. Now, with all the media machine spreading the US image around the world, imagine what we, foreigners, see! I'm really used to people around here saying stuff like, "I would never like to go to the US, everybody seems to be so fucking stupid over there. I'd go Europe instead." I'm not judging here, this is just stuff I do hear -- but I came to understand it better, even if I do not think the same way. Pajiba's here to prove it, and "our" (if I may) younger Pajibans have very eloquently proven it even further.

But we are all under the same douchebaggery promotion all the time, so we come to think everybody in a certain age group (thanks too, Micheru, it sure is too vague) is that way. It's the same as thinking success comes in just one happily-ever-after flavor or that we depend on an iPod to go on living.

ScandinavianBlonde also said: funny, but inaccurate use of the term suffix - it's something you add to the end of a word. I guess it's not that usual in English, but in Latin for example it's the cum (with) part in mecum, tecum etc. (with me, with you).

This is a girl younger than we are that can come up with Latin. Can't we be happy now? Actually, Blonde, I guess suffixes are common in English too, meaning different stuff, like -y (Scotty, baggy, trendy), -ment (settlement, assortment, basement), -dom (fandom, kingdom, boredom), -ness or -less and others.

That "hipster-" thing would be a prefix (pre = comes before), like re- (reruns, reschedule) or fore- (forearm, foreskin, foresee).

Plase, oh, please TPTB (the Pajibans that be), I beg for forgiveness for this too-pedantic post. Licorice anyone, while I whip mee own bottom?

Posted by: gargumma at April 12, 2008 6:34 PM

Ok Dustin,

Here's a comment diversion for you: "those first up against the wall when aforesaid revolution comes around"

Posted by: thaf at April 12, 2008 6:43 PM

Excuse the slight derail, but I felt the need to address this point raised by Genny

1. As someone with insider information on the music business, I can tell you that the reason music today is not creative and all sounds the same is because the Napster incidents of the late 90's caused so much loss in the record companies (who, admittedly, need to change how they do business) that edgy interesting bands aren't getting signed. The bands that get signed are the bands that sound like everyone else, because it's not risky to think they'll sell.

Dear Music Industry:

Boo fucking hoo.

Love,
Mr. Stitches

Call me a heartless bastard, but this poor college student finds it impossible to muster much sympathy for a bunch of jackholes who went from making millions of dollars to making slightly less millions of dollars because a bunch of naughty Interwebbers decided that they didn't want to pay for their garbage anymore.

To actually contribute to the discussion at hand:

Crap craps up the lives of every generation. It just seems like there's more of it now because we're stuck in the middle of it instead of fondly looking back.

Which isn't to say that we can't bitch about it. I feel that bitching is an inalienable human right. If you tell us not to bitch, you might as well tell us not to breathe.

Posted by: Aloysius Stitches at April 12, 2008 7:13 PM

The Sirius Cybernetics Corporation, that's who.

DUH!

Posted by: Jay at April 12, 2008 7:30 PM

This reminds me of a contemporary "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" wave speech, mostly for the medetative, melancholy tone.

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark--that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.

Posted by: eskiimomo at April 12, 2008 7:56 PM

Aloysius, my point wasn't that the music industry reacted correctly to Napster. As someone looking to go into that industry, I think they acted contrary to how they should have. My point was that the "terrible" institutions of MySpace and Facebook are being used for good. And also that it's not MY generation's fault that no good music is being signed, because I'm positive that the CEOs of Universal, Warner, and Columbia are not in the 15-23 range. I realize it's hard to feel sorry for people who make millions a year no matter what, but the actions of those downloaders really did affect those at the bottom of the food chain; the artists. Most of them don't make millions a year and genuinely do depend on people buying their albums legally and supporting them to make money. I could detail exactly why, but if you want the nitty gritty, just e-mail me, I can tell you EXACTLY how much an artist makes if they're not superstar level. It blows.

Now I'm drunk on wine and need to go to bed.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at April 12, 2008 8:25 PM

I was going to wax indignant, but 23 year old and Brio covered everything I would have said in great detail.

Seriously though - I assume, since I'm at Pajiba - that most of us like our characters complex in films. Why aren't we allowing the 15-24 set the same opportunity? Why do I either have to be vapid, engrossed in facebook, texting, and watching the Hills, OR a misunderstood outlier that completely mourns the state of my generation? I'd like to think that I could be a little of both without having to worry about being written off as a human being. I have a lot to offer and listening to crap music sometimes doesn't have to negate that.

Posted by: Amanda at April 12, 2008 8:45 PM

I'm sorry, but as a 22-year-old, this review really pissed me off. Unfortunately, as myself and my friends who petitioned to get Veronica Mars and J-Pod back on the air found out, most people in our demographic don't have a whole lot of control over what goes on TV.

I don't watch reality TV, I friggin' HATE Hannah Montana (as do all my younger siblings) and I the fact that I use Facebook shouldn't qualify as a vapid wretch.

That you have made such a sweeping generalization is enough to make me want to stop reading the site.

I think that's saying a lot considering that I still read you despite the entire TV review about JLove's boobs.

Posted by: Dagny at April 12, 2008 9:25 PM

Very interesting thread. It's nice that some of the lurkers are unlurking, and that there is a group of youngins that are as fed up with the bullshit as the dusty ancients.

That being said, I love that I can come here and type fuck, shit, and douche without my parents finding out.

My name is Skittimus, and I will be eleven next month...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at April 12, 2008 10:39 PM

There are lots of comments here, and I admit I haven't read all of them...but am I wrong in wondering what this business of the soul being "stripped out" of the original Prom Night is all about? The original had no soul, it was a by-the-numbers slasher pic capitalizing on the success of Halloween and Friday the 13th. Who cares if it's remade?

Anyone who liked the 1980 version can go back and rewatch their VHS or TV-taped copy. The rest of us shouldn't give it a second thought.

Posted by: kushiro at April 13, 2008 12:57 AM

Thanks gargumma, I should have thought a little further. I guess I've learned English in a more organic way so the suffix existence wasn't that evident.

It's true about the reputation the U.S. has. It's a real shame that people like Miley Cyrus and Napalm Vagina are the visible ones and therefore "represent" the whole generation. These days Japanese bands are the coolest ones over here.

Posted by: ScandinavianBlonde at April 13, 2008 4:36 AM

I've been lurking on this site for quite a while. (Love the reviews, even when I don't agree with them.)

antoinette jeanine, there's nothing for you to apologize for. But I would disagree with you in one respect - I'm a GenX-er who wasn't mass consuming when I was 16. Quite the opposite actually.

Then again, I was probably on the fringes of teenage society. John Hughes didn't really speak to me, although I did enjoy The Breakfast Club, because everyone turned out to be fucked up in some way. I try to ignore the fact that they were stereotypes that were fucked up in stereotypical ways.

And Dustin, you're right - this generation doesn't have a Kurt Cobain, and that's kind of sad. My Kurt Cobain was a double whammy of the Sex Pistols and Midnight Oil... I started giving it to the man when I was still fairly young I guess... I'm really sorry that sounded dirtier and sexier than it actually was.

Thank you, Dustin, for this review, which turned out to be something other than a review. This is why I visit this site often.

Posted by: Atomic Bunny at April 13, 2008 7:09 AM

Sigh...

I'll give you an example of douchebaggery. My school puts on a fashion parade once a year, it's about a month before the prom, and the local shops give us some suits and dresses to model as long as we give them a plug. Basically, it's just a chance for the kids to show off and wear nice clothes.

Well, I was talking about it with one girl who said, "I'm not going to watch it, I'd rather go see something that's well made....Like Superhero Movie."


I asked her if she was being sarcastic, "No, I don't think the fashion parade will be well made."


"No...are you being sarcastic about Superhero Movie?"

"No, why would I be? All those movies are sooooooooo good!"

I died a little inside.

Posted by: Chantelle at April 13, 2008 7:19 AM

superEdna-
Where the fck do you teach, Appalachia?

"They wallow in mediocrity like dogs in fresh cow shit. No one wants to be labeled a nerd, so they aim low and try to be as average (or often below average) as possible. Sadly, a nerd to them is anyone who does homework, participates in class and makes a B or better."

Perhaps I was simply coddled enough to go to a decent school. My classes were filled with students who were not only brilliant and eager to learn, but knew that their ability to attend college depended on the AP classes and GPA that would garner merit-based scholarships.

Posted by: serena at April 13, 2008 11:55 AM

Where the fck do you teach, Appalachia? Perhaps I was simply coddled enough to go to a decent school.

Well, it's not a new attitude, but Edna's got the current version of it. She might not have known them in high school but they were around somewhere. Kids, like adults, have a lot more tools and techology these days to assist them in being complete shitheads. These kids' attitudes, though, sound a lot like some of the students my uncle had as a high school drama teacher close to 20 years ago. It was a bit of an uphill battle.

It's not everybody of course, but I've dealt with that mindset myself. Plus, schmuckery of that type would be at its most pronounced in high school so Edna's getting the peak of their unpleasantness. "Coddled" is a bit strong, but yeah, you may have been blissfully unaware, and if you personally were on an AP track then the aggresively underachieiving most likely weren't in your classes. One usually can't say a whole school would be unaffected though. The parents who go so far as to say their city/school/subdivision "isn't like that" or "doesn't have that kind of people" are deluded and begging to be embarrassed. I won't name any names or schools or admit to any mean-spirited chuckling of course. I'm too fair-minded for that.

It's definitely not dependent on geography.

Posted by: Jay at April 13, 2008 1:37 PM

Your fault, my fault, this generation, that generation, let's put the blame where it really belongs: Katherine Hiegl and Tom Cruise.

You know why.

Posted by: TWoP Fan at April 13, 2008 3:33 PM

Jesus, what a review! Not only are my "expectations" about this movie completely vindicated, but as are my views about modern society. I don't know whether to give myself a slo-mo mid-air high-five, or start stocking up on canned peas and ammo to store in my bunker until the next coming of "the Cobain". I'll be ready for the little flannel-wearin bastards...

Well played sir, well played...

Posted by: Smatt584 at April 13, 2008 4:04 PM

At 24, I am a member of Gen-douche by the skin of my white-stripped teeth. While I agree we can be a superficial bunch, I think it comes less from inherited Gen-X malaise but from the cultural climate surrounding our growth. We've learned, in this Post-911, Post-Katrina world that nothing is permanent, that the world and everything you know about it can quite literally change in an instant. Instability is running rampant and definitely affecting our malleable brains. Is it surprising, then, that we aspire to instant fame and easy kicks? We live for the here and now because tomorrow is iffy at best. And while, yes, occassionally we enjoy the superficial, I think it's important to know that we REALISE the quality of what we consume. Enjoying fluff doesn't stop us from enjoying deeper, more meaningful things as well. Sometimes, it's nice not to have to think so hard and just enjoy. That said, fluff is not ALL we consume, and if we're in the mood to be challenged or enlightened, we'll seek more layered material out. But we need a break, now and then - and that's when we'll turn on the trash.

Posted by: answerthequestionclaire at April 13, 2008 9:07 PM

Jeremiah is an A1 idiot.

Posted by: Mick J at April 13, 2008 9:09 PM

The Generation Douchebag term cracks me up. I remember when it was first coined here, in the comments section, I believe.

And to think I used to get mildly annoyed at being labeled the X Generation. X which means nothing. X which means generic. X which means sordid.

But it's a HELL of a lot better than Generation Douchebag!

(I was born in 1970. I think I'm a twee bit older than the median here, but that's alright.)

Oh and btw, a big brag here: a bunch of my daughter's classmates were going to see this Friday night and she passed on it, saying it "looks like crap." So she didn't go. She's 13. Hell yeah, looks like I'm raising the kid right!

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen at April 13, 2008 9:22 PM

Actually, I do teach in Tennessee but on the other side of the state from the mountains.

I grew taking all of the Honors/AP classes avaialable and considered myself far from a nerd. I was as wild and "angsty" as the next kid. I just gave a damn about my future (academically speaking, I suppose. The sense of mortality had not kicked in yet thus resulting in frequent drinking and driving). Being called a "nerd" to these kids is about the worst name in the book. Nerd means hopeless loser.

Now, I don't teach honors classes, just regular. But I've taught regular classes for the past 6-7 years and I've seen this attitude grow worse as the years pass. I've also taught in three different settings: a mostly black city school, a mostly white rural school and now a "50/50" semi-city school (it's not a huge city, but not a small town either). This attitude does not seem to be a socioeconomic or racial issue. Each year they ALL seem to get lazier and more... blah. That's the best way to put it. Blah.

As I said earlier, not ALL the kids suffer from the mediocrity blues. Some are very bright, very driven. But most of those struggle with the social repercussions of "standing out." Not only are they deemed nerds and losers, but they get stuck with names that make my blood boil. Girls get called "smart bitch." Boys get called "faggot" (don't even try to find the logic there.) And God forbid the student is black? He or she is "acting white." That last one is ridiculous on so many levels. They don't seem to see how they are degrading themselves by equating dumb with black.

PARENTS, please instill in your children at a young age to strive for excellence, that it's okay to be smart. Even the ones who are actually average can try their best. I'm so tired of parents applauding C's or not caring about their kids' grades as long as they aren't failing. Some of them don't even CARE if they fail. I can't count the times I've been told, "Look, when they're at school, they're YOUR problem."

I fear for my future if this is what will be running our country.

Posted by: superEdna at April 13, 2008 10:54 PM

Gee, fuck, golly, nice, but do you happen to know where I could find an actual review of the god-damned film? Liek, OMG, what a fucking concept.

Posted by: Kennedy Lee at April 14, 2008 12:06 AM

Uhhh, Kennedy, I think you want "Liek, PERKY reviews for VACUOUS people." Not Pajiba. Bye bye.

Posted by: MO at April 14, 2008 8:03 AM

A really interesting review Dustin. Sad but true. Annnnd it makes me glad I'm 25. (Snuck in my the skin of my teeth! Booyah!)

Posted by: b at April 14, 2008 9:27 AM

I don't see the point in ridiculing these kids for consuming. We do nothing for them. Instead of engaging with these kids with meaningful activities as a community, we make fun or point out their problems. They don't know any better. Are their parents to blame? Yes. But so are we. We should all be out there playing something together, not watching movies. Even the best movie is a piece of shit. Our cultural tastes are helping no one, except the people getting money from it. And therein lies the problem.

We are all in the tiny grasp of an unholy god and simply refuse to break free of it. We are all to blame for this madness.

Posted by: mark at April 14, 2008 10:07 AM

Wow, this was quite depressing to read. I was completely bummed out for a few minutes there. Being 26, I guess I don't fall into the Generation Douchebag category, but I'm close to it. I don't know if I should feel guilty or point the finger at my elders.

But you know what? I realized this is bullshit. First of all, what we always bitch about is what self-absorbed, shallow little conformists today's teenagers/young adults are. Well, for crap's sake, what generation of teenagers wasn't that way?!? Those growing up in the 80s and 90s were exactly the same, but it just manifested itself in different ways. We weren't cool. If our taste in music and movies and our "awesome" slacker attitude was indeed something to be lauded, we should thank those who shelled it out to us, who fed it to us, instead of patting ourselves on the back. Because the truth is, the grunge thing, the ironic attitudes, ALL OF IT, was just as manufactured as teen culture today. We weren't special, we weren't cool; we were exactly like today's teenagers, but with a better selection of cultural food to choose from.
As for today's pop culture, I admit that there are some shallow-ass television shows, that the film industry has gotten lazy, and that the celebrity worship thing is incredibly tiring and annoying, but that's just the way of the world right now. Pop culture ebbs and flows and it'll soon change again...and again...and again.

Also, while I'm spewing my thoughts out...

Quite frankly, I don't understand the slacker worship thing. What's so cool or great about not giving a shit? Why is that something to which we'd like to return? I, for one, can't help but think that there is much to be said about caring a lot - even too much - about things (so long as they are the right kind of things). I'd rather fall into that end of the spectrum. I've never been, and don't ever want to be aloof, or an ironic asshole, or a lazy waste of space. And Dustin, for a self-proclaimed slacker, you sure seem to care an insane amount about culture, politics, and a lot of other things - and you know what? I think that's a great thing.

Another thought: I'm to the point where I almost despise all of this sanctification of the 80s. A lot of aspects of 80s culture was just as shallow and vapid as the shit out there today - totally focused on money and social status. We just don't view it that way because we grew up with it. I think we all tend to paint an inaccurately rosy picture of that time. I realize there was a strong counter-culture movement throughout the 80s - but there is today, too, I think. Those emo and hipster motherfuckers may be annoying as hell to us, but they certainly haven't conformed to the Paris Hilton way of life.

I guess I just think kids today are like kids yesterday and that's how kids will be tomorrow. They'll always be insecure, looking to conform. They'll always be a little self-absorbed, because they are still learning about themselves, and because of their insecurities. This isn't who they'll always be - I really believe they'll grow out of it. So I, for one, see no need to worry.

But I still cannot wait for the day that The Hills gets cancelled and Paris Hilton fades into obscurity or gets deported.

Posted by: tt_marie at April 14, 2008 10:30 AM

This review sucked. What a great chance to have an old fashioned Pajiba bashing on an awful movie. Instead we get some weird walk down memory lane that, if you really read it, has no backing whatsoever. It was a shitty movie made by some hollywood terds to make money..... nuff said, now lets fucking tear it a new asshole. I don't care about this movies relation to the dot-com bubble (when I read the dot-com explanation my first thought was that this site has hit rock bottom). The 15-24 demographic is the same as its always been, it has just replaced terms like "far-out" for "OMG".....who cares? Actually as compared to the hippies of the 70's and the cokehead, long-haired greaseballs of the 80's I think the demographic has taken a step in the right direction. But thats beside the point, what I really want to say is this, I started reading reviews on this website because they were funny and jaded (see the review of High Tension for some old school PAJIBA), and I use to look forward to watching a bad movie and then coming to this site to commiserate with people who shared the same views on the same issues that I had with the movie. Lately however the reviews are overwrought and unfocused. Before I can even get to a rundown of the plot (and in this particular review it never came) I have to read three paragraphs that will eventually tie in to the review as a whole. It's like watching an episode of LOST, but not as much fun. Please go back to the funny reviews that so many of us frequent this site for. You promised in your slogan "Scathing Reviews for Bitchy People", well I'm still bitchy but you are no longer scathing and I hope you will return to form before long.

Posted by: Billy Sing at April 14, 2008 10:47 AM

I promised I'd stay out of this but I'm just popping my head in to say Biro, if you're still around, you've just reduced my fear of next year by about 300%. I'll be teaching A-Levels and if even a few of my students are as articulate as you are I'll be over the freaking moon.

Posted by: Alex the Odd at April 14, 2008 11:19 AM

superEdna-
The school I attended was in an incredibly economically disadvantaged area, yet we had a wonderful creative arts program as well as a nationally recognized AP program. We also had honors and regular classes and I took several of them.
I do remember the tendency of kids to tease "nerdy" individuals, but it was much more gentle than what you have witnessed. Students who were both smart and socially comfortable experienced no such teasing.
You touched on something that has always enraged me: the tendency of high-achieving black students to be accused of "acting white."
I agree that stupidity is pandemic, but I question the validity of whether my generation is somehow worse than all the preceding generations.

Posted by: serena at April 14, 2008 2:53 PM

Thanks, [b]Alex the Odd[/b], although I'm pretty sure my English Lit teacher would disagree.

"So, what are your thoughts on Oscar Wilde?"

"Er... well, yeah, I mean, sure, nice guy."

"Yes...?"

"And, er, he... I mean, I guess... he was a bit clever, you know... because of the words..."

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, though.

=]

What subject are you going to teach?

Posted by: Biro at April 14, 2008 3:25 PM

I'm straddling the X-Y gap at 24 years, 361 days and counting, so I've experienced some of the trends from both of these fine generations. I was a BMG subscribing, pot smoking AP overachiever swaddled by the comforting blanket of teenage apathy. I liked Nirvana and Saved by the Bell in equal parts to N*Sync and The Real World. Does that make me responsible for both the creation and consumption of the rancid bubblegum pop culture teens are a-boppin' to today? And if so, would the simultaneous consumption and inception of such trends cause a tear in the space time continuum or open some kind of black hole to bizarro land?

I would be so down with that.

On that note I'm now taking applications for 23-26 year olds twixters to help me rocket off to another dimension, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Erica O. at April 14, 2008 4:17 PM

As someone who falls between Generations Slacker and Douchebag, I would like to express my despair for the "entertainment" of today. I was born in 1982. I grew up watching old Bugs Bunny cartoons (Barber of Seville? Awesome. Gossamer shrieking "Peee-ple? AHHHHHH!" and running through the walls? Still one of my favorites.), Pink Panther (that Mancini theme was partially responsible for my learning the tenor sax), re-runs of The Monkees, and shows like You Can't Do That On Television and, if I was lucky, Saturday Night Live. My favorite movie was (and is still) The Blues Brothers. I grew up on my parents' music, The Ventures and The Rolling Stones, Merle Haggard, Tom Scott and the LA Express, Bette Midler, Wille (Fucking Awesome) Nelson. My Batman was Michael Keaton (seriously, how much do I love Tim Burton?), my Superman was Christopher Reeves. I could go on.

Now I get to sit back and watch my 4 nieces and nephews grow up on the vapid, mind-numbingly stupid dribble that's produced today. It's almost too depressing to think about. I know that my entertainment wasn't perfect, far from it really, but come ON. Is a fresh, original, and, God forbid, good idea that impossible? Hell, at this point, I think most all of us would settle for just an original idea, even if it sucked. I will concede that it is quite possibly seeing some of these things through adult eyes, when most of the magic is gone, and you know how effects, etc. were achieved. I mean, isn't that what makes life awesome, seeing and feeling with innocence (or ignorance)?

The longer the years stretch, the more moronic society becomes. I work at a tv station, and I hate HATE HATE when we run stories about celebrities and the like. When Britney shaved her head, our executive producer wanted to lead our 5:30pm news with a package on it. What the FUCK? I was a heartbeat away from standing up and saying "Fuck you and this shit. I'm out." Who cares about something like that? When did being famous warrant 24/7 media coverage?

"Next up, Paris Hilton takes a shit. We have the EXCLUSIVE interview!!"

Pardon me while I go on a murderous rampage. Jesus Christ. I hate that shit.

Also, when did it become okay to NOT SPELL WORDS CORRECTLY? I am an avid texter, but I ALWAYS type out the complete words. Text-speak takes me 3 or 4 read throughs to comprehend. And I'm not stupid. Not even close.

I worry about these kids today. While my childhood and teen years were far from perfect, they were a far cry better than now. Instead of remaking everything, why not just go rent the original? Learn to spell, and speak, correctly. Get a real role model. Stop giving a shit about the celebutards. Turn down that shitty music.

And while you're at it, get off my lawn.

(Apologies for waxing nostalgic and ranting. I'm mad.)

Posted by: Nadha at April 14, 2008 4:22 PM

who is producing and marketing this level of crap?

Im positive its not some 16 year old high school girl coming up with these ideas and mass marketing them to a groups of tweens across the country.

oooh thats right, its the television and music executives from the slacker generation who figured out they could get rich by peddling crap to 13 year olds across the country...

good job guys!

Posted by: zzzzzzzzzzzz at April 14, 2008 6:28 PM

I just turned 28 myself. I do not own any phone at all. I don't even own my own computer. I am currently using my Grandma's. How's that for irony? I don't know what I'm really saying but here goes; I don't like such easy accessibility to me. I feel that if you can get ahold of me at any time of day it would create some problems. One problem is that I like to live a nice slow paced existence. A cell phone would only be another way to invade my personal bubble. I guess I'm a New Age hermit. But as much as I don't like to be bothered, I believe that techno-junkies bother each other just as much. If you are constantly speaking to each other over the phone or texting between the times that you don't actually get together in person, then you are losing out on the value of just bumping into friends. What do I mean? I don't quite know myself to be honest. I just know that people are happy to see me when they do. They haven't seen me in awhile and would like to spend some time catching up with me and vice versa. I have to go through a modest amount of effort to get ahold of someone. It means something if I want to see a friend, because I have to make personal contact. I think phones and text make us devalue each other in that regard. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Familiarity breeds contempt. Right?

Posted by: B-rant at April 14, 2008 7:04 PM

I'm sixteen. I read Dickens, Nietzsche, and William effin' Blake. My favorite movie director is Werner Herzog. I do NOT have a Myspace page.

BACK OFF. NOT EVERYONE ON THE GODDAMN PLANET CONFORMS TO YOUR STEREOTYPES.

"People, in the eyes of society, are worth nothing unless they dress up in opinions."---Nietzsche

Wisdom is wasted on the old.

Posted by: missy at April 14, 2008 7:20 PM

Can all you stop with the "Hey I fall into that bracket...and I'm cool and don't live reality tv". Seriously after 20-30 of those comments, I'm sure Dustin gets the idea.

Posted by: Teresa at April 14, 2008 10:04 PM

Boo-fricking-hoo. I don't know what to say concerning this whole debacle...
Apparently, all the kids are here to find acceptance from the golden oldies, while the smug elitist 30-somethings wish they were accepted by the OMG/WTF-generation. I don't know what is more pathetic to be honest.
You know what my problem is: People. I hate them wiht a passion. I'm one all right... so there's a lot of self-hatred going on there, too. Greedy, lonely, smug, mean, jealous and just bloody seeking for a pat on the head. God I fucking hate us.
I'm going to end up living on my own some day with 40 cats. Dream come true.

Posted by: Sophie at April 14, 2008 10:58 PM

Generation Douchebag = Baby Fucking Boomers.

That's who we need to start a generational war with.

Posted by: JL at April 15, 2008 2:29 AM

Sure, there are some terrible young people allowed to wander the streets these days. But I don't think all of them are bad, or even the majority. It's just that you can't help but notice the annoying minority. At least where I am, at a (huge) state university, most people my age seem pretty genuine, they have goals for themselves and they try to meet them. Everyone makes mistakes, and good people do shitty things. That doesn't mean that all young people are brainwashed or shallow or stupid. Sometimes they have guilty pleasures, or get sucked into lame movies. But they aren't all bad.
It just so happens you pay more attention to shitty people who rarely do good things.

Posted by: Anne at April 15, 2008 3:09 AM

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." (Socrates)

Obviously the decay of culture and the immoralitites of young people have been a problem for quite some time.

Anyone read "Torture The Artist?"

Posted by: C. Tannenbaum at April 15, 2008 5:00 AM

Loving how all teenagers are fucktards because the majority of us listen to shitty music and buy into repulsively horrible movies like Prom Night.

Next time you write something like this, remember that there are still some teenagers who aren't complete douchebags. There are, as a matter of fact, some of us who still listen to 80's music and hate our generation as much as you do.

Otherwise, nice post, I lol'd quite a few times.

Posted by: Jackson at April 15, 2008 10:31 AM

When making these kinds of generational analyses, it's important to distinguish between intra- and inter-generational variation. No matter what generation you look at, you're going to observe a normal distribution for intelligence: small number of exceptionally bright people, modest number of coherent people, and a fuckload of stupid (implication: average equals moron). On the other hand, regardless of intellect, experience counts for something. Teenagers, for the most part (note: blaring qualification), are always going to seem small-minded and self-absorbed to their elders because they've so little Real Life Experience to go on. Bottom line, there are no substantive differences between the youthful phases of respective generations.

However, at one point I suspected that the internet and its immediate access to information and the world would heighten the awareness of today's and future youth cohorts. But then I realized two things. First, the information was always there, whether that be in a library or the mind of a parent or teacher, etc. The key was in being curious and motivated. The majority gravitated to the pre-masticated and half-digested goo of mass media. Second, the internet makes all information more accessible, including the aforementioned goo. No, the more things change . . . well, you get the point. There's nothing wrong with today's youth that either time won't fix, or that can't ever be fixed.

Posted by: denadn03 at April 15, 2008 5:17 PM

Pop culture always sucks, then there are the "cool" kids into some other sucky thing. I still remember when airbags were "too dangerous" for cars, anything in a vending machine cost 25c, you couldn't show bra's on tv, douching caused yeast infections, agent orange was not toxic AT ALL, DDT was a miracle and those pesky minorities stayed in their place -on their knees kowtowing preferably etc.etc. By the way i love it when celebrities die, Sonny Bono skiing into a tree made my Christmas season, I hope to live to see [at least part of] the next big war when the "environment" gets really f-cked , billions die [will they get into heaven?] damn my internet connection isn't working? and people have to concentrate on where the next food is coming from, how to keep the children alive long enough to reproduce at least once, shelter and some type of clothing [for protection of your skin not fashion]. You know, like the good old days of Family Values.Pol Pot style "year zero" Have fun with that youngsters!By the way, i am only joking about everything but the celebs

Posted by: cynic at April 15, 2008 10:14 PM

Didn't you go off on a similar "the kids these days are crap" rant for the John Tucker Must Die review? Slow down there, Abe Simpson. I'll repeat what a poster said in the JTMD comment section: "your generation is the one MAKING these damn films, not the 15 year olds of today. Don't blame the ignorant teeny bopper for having bad taste, blame the ancient studio head signing off on these insulting piles of dreck". Not verbatim. Enough with the diatribes, they're getting old. Like you. There, I said it.

Posted by: Tania at April 16, 2008 11:21 AM

Dustin, your review comes just after I was in a Wal-Mart (don't ask) and saw my beloved 1986 horror classic April Fool's Day on DVD. I was so excited; I hadn't seen that movie in years. I picked it up, and upon closer inspection, I realized it was a 2008 remake. I briefly wondered why it was everything that is good gets ruined. Now I know I can blame it on Kurt Cobain.

Posted by: Layla at April 16, 2008 5:34 PM

Fuckin. Word.

The 90's can be easily summed up with 4 words.
Garage bands, irony, weed and apathy.

Ah, yes. Those were the days.

Posted by: Alex at April 17, 2008 11:40 PM

Well, ALEX the last two still apply. But am i the only one who thinks that the heads running MTV are in desperate need of unconsentual sodomy for their role in this generation's mental decline? I can't help but see shows like "My sweet 16" and "The hills" without thinking that somehow they´re behind it all‚ just stoking the flames of my own private Hell where vapid trustfund babies are hoisted up as shining rolemodels of a new generation of proud morons. Where`s that good old fashioned genocide when you need it? Christ‚ only 23 and i`m already ranting about "kids these days". If anyone needs me i`m going to the mall. I`ll be the guy perched above Hollister warding people off with a sawed-off pool cue and rabid threats of eternal damnation at the hands of Paris Hilton and Heidi Montag. Just bring me some Orange Julius and something by Hunter S. Thompson and i´ll probably let you by with a light concussion.

Posted by: smatt584 at April 18, 2008 4:50 AM

Clearly I'm showing up late to this party, and I'm sure no one will read this, but I have to say something here. And that something is "Fuck you, man!" This is exactly what's wrong with inter-generational relationships in this country. You think you can characterize my entire peer group because you watch MTV and see the (admittedly highly visible) ho-bags and morons. Well you can't. I've never listened to Miley Cyrus, I have next to zero interest in reality tv, I smoke plenty of pot, I'm more interested in the democratic primaries than in prom, and I'm not at all an outlier. There is a huge segment of our generation that goes ignored because we're not as easy for the big corporations to box and label, so they ignore us, and mass media follows suit. But if you'll permit me a lapse into disgusting egotism, we're the cool ones. And though I hesitate to try to speak for such a big and heterogeneous group, we're fed the fuck up with being told that we're vacuous buying machines with aspirations to infamy. We're not. I'm not. So please, give us a little more credit.

Posted by: Kiki at April 20, 2008 2:36 PM

P.S. Biro and Lyra? Right on!

Posted by: Kiki at April 20, 2008 2:46 PM

smatt584 - thanks, man I don't feel alone.

I live in puerto rico and EVERYTHING is goddamn reggeaton, it really drives me insane. Thank God I can download music through the net, because every record store here only sell reggaeton or bachata.

Hate reality TV (with the same intensity as E!) Had to tell to my little cousin "how the hell paris hilton a role model?!" And it really make me mad how people in general, not only this generation can't process a simple tought! I think i was one of the fews laughing at "The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou" in the movie theater.

I barely goes to the movies, what is coming is pure shit! When Dragonball (yuck) come to the theaters I'll need Imodium! And that is coming from a Zombie-Movie fan (we zombie fans see a lot of shitty flicks, but this crap-o-fest is overwhelming).

Hollywood stop with the gorram remakes of old movies and asian horror. Leave it alone!

Stumble upon Pajiba by mistake, and will stay. Love this review.

Posted by: Zamanta at April 23, 2008 11:36 AM

By the by, facebook really sucks, don't know why people is so hook up with that site.

There's good and bad in every generation, but lately is kinda a struggle to have a normal intelligent convesation anywhere.

What can I only say to younger generations? (I'm 30) Just live long and prosper, even they see me funny after saying that to 'em.

Posted by: Zamanta at April 23, 2008 11:44 AM

you forgot the "mtv" style editing BS like in the SAW movies...

Posted by: Frank Rizzo at May 4, 2008 4:41 AM

o____O I agree. 100%

This blew my mind. Great Peice. :3

Posted by: Vann at May 6, 2008 10:27 AM

Boil out his grandiosity, and all he says is 'as ye sow, so shall ye reap'. Which is essentially true. Parents, teachers, and other leaders that eschew teaching right from wrong, don't discipline, and lead their kids into the fairytale land of scoreless little league games where no one 'loses' and artificially inflated self esteem isn't damaged have created this deadly society. I could expound, but I think I made my point. Which is that I basically agree with the original review.

Posted by: scot at August 27, 2008 12:37 AM