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Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest / Phillip Stephens

Film Reviews | July 7, 2006 | Comments (128)


It still boggles my mind a little to look back on how absurdly successful the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie was. I find it testimony to the sorry state of blockbusters today that throngs of charm-deprived people left the theater declaring its genius. What the film was was your run-of-the-mill Bruckheimer adventure-schlock anchored around Johnny Depp’s bizarrely mincing pirate. And mince he did. Making the wise decision to treat the material as farce, Depp channeled a drug-addled, sexually ambiguous Keith Richards, and every ridiculous ounce of it came across on screen. Aided by a similarly charismatic Geoffrey Rush and director Gore Verbinski’s willingness to let the silliness ensue as it should, the film garnered a damn fortune and an Oscar nod for Depp (!?).

Wouldn’t you know it, Bruckheimer and his army of sycophantic thralls couldn’t let well enough alone, couldn’t just be happy that they hit a charming and popular nerve (in all likelihood by accident), but — bolstered by this success — they decided to grab their cash-cow by the teats and squeeze them until purple and bruised. In the vein of The Matrix, two sequels were fired into production, filmed back to back and in two-parter fashion. Would that Pirates of the Caribbean had anywhere to go that was worth the effort. …

Dead Man’s Chest is the first of these sequels, picking up a short time after the events of the first PotC. Captain Jack Sparrow (Depp) is still swaggering and getting into mischief, but poor Elizabeth (Keira Knightly) and Will (Orlando Bloom) are accosted on the eve of their nuptials for aiding and abetting his escape. Will is sent to find Jack and retrieve his special compass in exchange for Elizabeth’s release. Jack, meanwhile, has to deal with the problem of another damned curse, this time around from the legendary Davy Jones, which also requires that he go looking for some trinket or other. Everybody’s sent on retrieval errands, then sent on other people’s retrieval errands — that’s the story.

Which, fine, whatever, but here Verbinski and his writers, Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio, seem to have a greatly difficult time understanding what the word “epic” means. An epic entails a big story, filled with big characters, or big motivations, or big emotions, or maybe even big ideas. The only things big about Dead Man’s Chest are the absurd adventure set-pieces and the criminal running-time of 150 minutes; nothing here is used to advance the story. Verbinski is no Steven Spielberg. He’s a barely competent Stephen Sommers who thinks that bigger and sillier gestures are a formula for success without any inherent justification.

With the movie’s scale bloated to such a degree and little to fill it, the one good thing Pirates had going for it — Depp — has a lot of problems from the get-go. As Captain Jack, he’s still willing to fritter his way through the picture in amusing fashion, but his character is nothing but a charming caricature with nowhere to go, let alone take the “serious” turn the writers attempt halfway through by confronting his morality (or lack thereof). Coupling this with the fact that he shares screen time with a horde of other (often unnecessary) characters, the spark that prompted so many to embrace the first installment is unlikely to catch this time around.

Ultimately, none of the actors can really be held accountable, as they all appear relatively appropriate in their roles. The problem is that almost nothing in this movie is particularly relevant to anything; it’s so overblown and empty that the slightest instances are crammed with menial dialogue and the set-pieces (Jack runs from cannibals, Jack is attached to a pole and falls off a cliff, Jack and Will and some guy duel inside a gigantic rolling windmill …) are so wantonly preposterous that they transcend the trivial entertainment they were meant to be and become sheer idiocy, which is what tends to happen when you stumble onto a pleasant, if inconsequential, movie and then decide that it merits an entire franchise.

Phillip Stephens is a movie critic for Pajiba.


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Comments

Thanks, Philip. I thought I was the only person over 20 and under 30 who was perplexed by the Oscar nod for Depp's Captain Jack. WTF, indeed. I like a good popcorn flick as much as the next person, but come on. Did Pirates blah blah blah really need sequels? And the 1st one wasn't that great, either. It's a shame that channeling Keith Richards is what got Depp a damn nomination.

Posted by: Daphne at July 7, 2006 7:08 PM

The first PotC was like the first Spiderman movie. The potential was so high for it to completely suck, that when the dialogue was passable and it had a story that people gave a crap about past its lending itself to spectacular action sequences, people walked out of the theater enthralled. The Green Goblin was gay just like Orlando Bloom, too. But the truth is in the re-rental - it was really just so-so. The sequels to both, however, WERE necessary. The profits from both will likely offset the losses of other, smaller movies that DID deserve to get made.

Posted by: Kitty X at July 7, 2006 7:34 PM

I took a group of 27 teenagers in my youth group to see the midnight showing last night, and even they were underwhelmed. The special effects were mediocre, and it wasn't half as clever as the first one (which I really, really liked, mostly due to Depp's performance). My love for Johnny is fierce and unconditional, so I'm sure I'll be seeing this again... but possibly not until DVD when I can skip most of it.

Posted by: Sheri at July 7, 2006 8:03 PM

I think your review was spot-on, once again.

I liked it as much as I liked the first one: it was an adventure movie, not much more. It was cute, funny, and kept my attention through most of it, but was certainly lacking anything exceptional. If it didn't have the big names attached to it, it would probably be just as forgettable as your next summer blockbuster.

I love Depp, but this has got to be one of my least favorite roles for him. He's a great actor, period, but a great character actor as well. But in this... Jack Sparrow seemed simply one-note and tired.

I'm torn, I guess. I liked it as an action movie, and I'd probably go see it again, but it's a chore to sit through some parts that are just too ridiculous.

Posted by: grace at July 7, 2006 8:14 PM

Hmmm... I'll probably go see it anyway. I just wish that for once the bad guy was a real person and not some barely believable CGI thing.

Posted by: Sam at July 7, 2006 10:02 PM

Wow, you people are crazy. I think Captain Jack Sparrow is one of the most coolest and unique characters around, and I can't think of anyone but Johnny Depp who could pull off such a zany role.

Posted by: Rose at July 7, 2006 10:50 PM

Clearly, the Pirates writers get the same crack that J.J. Abrams' writing team does.

I feel like the only way to get away with that much lack of a plot is to be Robert Altman and you, Bruckheimer, are no Robert Altman.

Posted by: Claire at July 7, 2006 10:50 PM

My husband and I went to see this film today completely prepared to leave reality behind and enjoy a lighthearted adventure story, much like the kind that entertained us so as children. I find that much of what Hollywood churns out these days is worthless, over-done crap, but I truly enjoyed this movie for what it was, a fun, often funny, adventure that, for a little while, took my mind off the baloney I deal with on a day to day basis. For me, that makes it worth every penny.

Posted by: Kolby at July 7, 2006 10:51 PM

Wow. Fair enough, but I thought it was awesome. Just a rip-roaring good time. You just don't take it seriously.

And the CGI on Davy Jones was just amazing. I was really impressed. Very emotive.

Posted by: Nacey at July 7, 2006 10:52 PM

excuse me, but the two "pirates" movies have been the most entertaining epics of the last decade. this site is fantastic for bitchy reviews for people etc who deserve it, but it's obvious here that you only gave this film a bad review because you felt like you ought to.

johnny depp is probably the most talented actor of our time, and it's clear he had a lot of fun with this role. i say many congrats to him, the cast & crew of pirates for an utterly brilliant achievement.

Posted by: caitlin at July 7, 2006 11:33 PM

I too just saw this movie, and while I prefer the first, I absolutely enjoyed Pirates 2. Like someone said above, you just can't take it seriously. It's not that kind of movie. I was laughing and smiling the whole way through. And I thought the CGI was great, much better than in the first pirates.

Posted by: lexie at July 7, 2006 11:51 PM

People just like pirates. I really think that's what made the first movie--America loves her some underdog cowboys of the sea. I was quite tickled with the first one myself, mostly thanks to Johnny Depp, but this one suffered from serious sequel-itis. They took what made the first one a fun pirate fest, and just drug it out and on, and on. I was sitting there silently begging the screen for someone to grab the damn heart so the plot could advance.

Posted by: Sally at July 8, 2006 12:01 AM

I didn't expect anything different from a pajiba review of POTC, but I really enjoyed this movie. My friends and I went to the midnight showing (22 showings in the immediate area sold out by 8pm) and we were all prepared to be taken on an entertaining escapist journey- no one was dissapointed. If nothing else one has to appreciate the special effects. Davey Jones and his crew were so fascinating to look at, the detail was astounding. I can't wait for the next amusing installment.

Posted by: Nat at July 8, 2006 12:26 AM

Get over it, if you want a good movie you go make it and see how much other people like it.

Posted by: Becky at July 8, 2006 1:00 AM

Get over it, if you want a good movie you go make it and see how much other people like it. I thought that the movie was superberb, had an exceelent plot and excellent special effects, anyone who thinks otherwise was probably just making out with their ugly girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband and missed it all and tried to find a scapegoat.

Posted by: Becky at July 8, 2006 1:01 AM

if you were expecting the pirates of the carribean to mean something like the matrix movies were probably supposed to, then you'd be dissapointed,

but its a movie about pirates and when i see a movie about pirates i want to have a lot of fun. and i did. this was one of the funnest movies ive seen in a long time and while it may not be a sweeping epic or have a totally nescessary plot, somehow this movie surpassed the need for such things and just gave the audience something to enjoy

Posted by: scone at July 8, 2006 1:26 AM

I don't know that the movie was "superberb", and the plot may not have been "exceelent", but I can't believe how harsh this review is! I have my complaints (WAY too long - they should have cut out that whole cannibal island business, it was completely unneccesary. Also, didn't love the slapstick that seemed to take place of some of the wittier lines from the first movie), but it was at the very least serviceable rather than the mindless drivel you describe. Of course the situations are unrealistic, it's a freaking pirate movie based on an amusement park ride! But it can still be a fun time if not the next cinematic jem of American film-making.

This is the first time I have been dissapointed in a Pajiba review. I haven't agreed with every review I've read, but at least they have always been well thought out, and its fun seeing how you come to the conclusion. However, this review seems a callow indictment of a movie based on a previous dislike for the producer, and a touch of hipster pretension.

Posted by: Judy at July 8, 2006 1:36 AM

Although I adored the first Pirates movie, I couldn't agree more with your review of the second. It overstayed its welcome by about an hour, and the unfunny running jokes and violence just for violence's sake were cringe-worthy. I'm glad someone else thinks the same way I do.

Posted by: Emma at July 8, 2006 1:45 AM

I liked the sequel better then the first (more story for the non-Jack Sparrow characters), I read Pajiba more as a form of self-abuse then as film recommendation I guess, because I find I rarely agree with the critics. Movies are more for entertainment then message, not every film is (or should be) The Motorcycle Diaries.

Posted by: Adam C at July 8, 2006 1:47 AM

Frankly, I thought this was more or less exactly as good/mediocre as the first (depending on your view) except for two disconcerting differences:
1. The constant camera motion, which made me sea-sick and
2. Putting Keira Knightly and Orlando Bloom in the same damn costume only emphasizes that if you turn both around, they're identical bony asexual beings.

On to Pirates 3! I guess we'll see if the marriage of the androgenous ever happens or if one of them gets together with Jack (and I'm not speculating on which one that may be).

Posted by: Genny at July 8, 2006 1:56 AM

Good review :) I dindt even like the first movie which was much better in the opinion of most people. I will never have the english skills like you to express it that way but the first also was an endless queue of wannabe funny scenes with an idiotic story wrapped around it.
They called it an epic story ... just like most do, but i really think they have no clue what epic is all about. Making the audience laugh isnt qualifying if for being an epic movie.
Would it have been that expensive to think about an actually GOOD pirate story (it isnt like there arent any good pirate movies around) but still sticking to make it funny? I think this would have turned out very well, without needing that cheap ripoff undead curse story and im glad they continued to use just an as cheap story in the second one, at least i dont feel the urge to see it that way :)
And remember: a pirate movie without an ship to ship battle is no good pirate movie for me :)

Posted by: Alienfreak at July 8, 2006 2:15 AM

Probably i should call the story "idiotic ridiculous story" and not "idiotic story" because the later one could imply that it actually has a big storyline but it is just not well thought over and has many logic bugs.

Posted by: Alienfreak at July 8, 2006 2:18 AM

I just liked the slapstick. But maybe that's just because they crammed the movie so full of it that you hardly notice anything else... anyway, I liked the slapstick. Especially the part with the Jack-fruit-kabob.

Oh, and like 99.756294026692% of the female population, I love Johnny Depp.

And pirates! Who doesn't love pirates? Like someone before me said, America loves her some underdog cowboys of the sea.

Posted by: Joanne at July 8, 2006 3:11 AM

Johnny Depp has found his metier. Play every role as a weird queer.
Let's see, "Stalin's Rise To Power", a remake of "Twelve O'Clock High", of course "Hamlet", remake "Godfather II", remake "Lassie", fill in your own fave, all as a mincing pederast menace. It seems to be working for him.

Posted by: Curtis LeMay at July 8, 2006 3:29 AM

Thank god i know some of the 0.243705973% who dont love him :)

Posted by: Alienfreak at July 8, 2006 3:57 AM

As Captain Jack, he's still willing to fritter his way through the picture in amusing fashion, but his character is nothing but a charming caricature with nowhere to go, let alone take the "serious" turn the writers give halfway through by confronting his morality (or lack thereof).

Thank you, I knew there was something about the film that bothered me and you nailed it. As much as I like the character Jack Sparrow, I think it's impossible for any character development on his part. A Jack Sparrow origin story might work, but otherwise...meh.

Anyway this film was OK for me. It was too long and occasionally boring, but overall it was a fun action movie which is rare these days.

Posted by: loulou at July 8, 2006 5:35 AM

"Dissapointed" with it not being a "jem"...saavy?

Posted by: motherjigger at July 8, 2006 8:55 AM

Good review. There are a lot of things that I can agree with, but at the same time, I really did enjoy this sequel. Maybe I'm a huge, mindless geek for details, but there were a lot of little things that just made me have fun. Sure, I prefer the first one, and this one was hella long, but out of the movies I had been waiting for this summer? This is definitely one of the better ones. Top 3, at least.

Posted by: macheath at July 8, 2006 9:22 AM

I saw it last night and thought it rocked. Unlike LOTR- Return of the King (which I loved), or Titanic, I was not excruciatingly aware of the time when watching this sequel. My focus was totally on the movie and I and my husband really enjoyed it.

I left extremely satisfied. So there, hoity toity review people. Stephen, you had it right the first time, Poseidon is summer blockbuster movie dreck. Dead Man's Chest had characters I loved, notwithstanding Johnny Depp's genius (there I said it) acting.

It seems as this review is that token backlash against an extremely popular movie, just for credo's sake. Just take a look at an extremely worthless summer movie (a la Poseidon) and Dead Man's Chest isn't even in the same league.

Don't go expecting Shakespeare people, and just have a good time.

Posted by: Invah at July 8, 2006 9:23 AM

I would also like to point out that the first four or five comments agreeing with your negative review were from people sitting on a computer at 7-8 p.m. on a Friday night. Several of which, by the way, had not even seen the second movie yet and just were griping over their hatred of the first one.

So, negativity much?

Posted by: invah at July 8, 2006 9:31 AM

What is all this gripe about the movie being too long? It was only 7 minutes longer than the first film.

Not all films have to be deep and philisophical. Pirates is really a movie about having fun. When you see the wheel fight you think either "wow, they totally broke the fourth wall" or "wow, this is so absurd it's amusing as can be." Sure, I didn't think it was as good as the first one (Which I saw right after League of Extrodinary Gentlemen in a double feature) but I felt like I got $8 worth of entertainment out of it.

This is the first time I've disagreed with Pajiba.

Posted by: jestergoblin at July 8, 2006 10:42 AM

Just because a movie doesn't address serious subject matter doesn't mean it's above criticism. "Hey, it's supposed to be fun, so it doesn't require character development!" That's crap. The reviewer is simply pointing out that DMC doesn't do what it sets out to do particularly well. It reminds me of when I admitted to not really liking "Something About Mary."

Posted by: Samantha T at July 8, 2006 11:08 AM

I agree that this movie was too long...and it's not just b/c i was seeing it at midnight on Thursday and wanted to go to bed, but b/c that story could have been told in a much shorter time period. i liked the first movie A LOT but this one i'd rather not see again it just seemed like this movie was only used to set up the plot for the third movie. it was funny at parts and i didn't mind the illogical parts b/c it is a DISNEY MOVIE ABOUT PIRATES what were people expecting? but i was sad that about halfway through the movie i just wanted it to be over

Posted by: jmurae at July 8, 2006 11:17 AM

"I would also like to point out that the first four or five comments agreeing with your negative review were from people sitting on a computer at 7-8 p.m. on a Friday night. Several of which, by the way, had not even seen the second movie yet and just were griping over their hatred of the first one."

Probably not everyone is in the same timezone? And probably there ARE people who are in the internet at the evening and going out at 10pm at the earliest (probably not at the childrens parties you attend to)?

Sorry for the flaming, but i hate such comments.

Posted by: Alienfreak at July 8, 2006 11:20 AM

Thank god i know some of the 0.243705973% who dont love him :)

Amen to that. Count me among that %. I appreciate him as an actor because his talent is undeniable. However, he's never been swoonworthy, IMO, as most women seem to think. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.


Samantha T, I think we may be cut from similar cloth. I didn't like Something About Mary, either. And I totally agree with your first statement. I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head.


I find it interesting how those with a minority opinion regarding a popular movie are criticized for being hoity-toity, homebodies, etc. It's one thing to disagree, it's a whole other thing to make assumptions about those with the minority opinion. I've disagreed with Pajiba reviews before, but that doesn't mean I feel compelled to hurl a sideways insult at the reviewer, either. It's an opinion, and last time I checked, everyone is entitled to one. Even if it doesn't line up with the majority.

Posted by: Daphne at July 8, 2006 11:29 AM

Alienfreak....you beat me to it! Bravo.

Posted by: Daphne at July 8, 2006 11:33 AM

I think a smug cloud is permeating over Pajiba-land.

Seriously, the movie's based off a ride. Take it for what it really is.

Posted by: joann at July 8, 2006 11:48 AM

This review honestly put me in a horrible mood. since I went to see the movie last night, I've had this awful, sinking feeling. Pirates 2 hardly compared to the first movie. I felt that there were way too many characters that were just begging to be killed (i.e. the Hindu pirates in the cage at the beginning who were killed after about 45 seconds of screentime) And also that the plot was really loose -- like they just had a team of 12 year olds writing it. (or maybe just awful writers)

But for all it was worth, I thought the movie was a pretty fun 150-minute waste of my time.

Posted by: Colleen at July 8, 2006 1:47 PM

I'm with what I think is the majority here - this was a fun film with a handful of laugh-out-loud moments, and some astonishingly convincing special effects. And, having despaired at X-Men 3 and its carefully gender-discriminated fights (women fighting women and guys fighting guys), I was delighted to see Knightley getting a chance to kick some male sea-creature ass.

Posted by: Smith at July 8, 2006 3:50 PM

So, they are going to a party at ten huh? Seriously doubt it. Like most internet movie site posters they are, in all likelihood, overweight, porno loving, comicbook guy type, basement dwellers.

Speak for myself blah blah blah, the harder you protest the truer it is.

the movie rocked, still love Pajiba.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 8, 2006 7:54 PM

See, reviews like this are precisely why I read and rely on Pajiba.

I have a bad tendency to nit-pick movies. If I'm watching one at home, I'm the dork sitting there shouting "No, you idiot, put that down, get the gun back, and GET OUT!" I love to be able to suspend my disbelief and just escape for a while.

Pajiba makes that possible. This site does the nit-picking and bitching for me, I go in fore-warned, and most of the time manage to enjoy the movie without making the faces that my husband knows indicate a scathing comment is boiling to the surface. Everybody gets to go home mostly happy that way.

Posted by: Pooka at July 8, 2006 8:00 PM

in the words of another poster

'A smug cloud is forming over pajiba'

i love me a good southpark reference. I wonder if phillip stephens drives a hybrid. Anyways, the movie wasnt terrible like the review says, a very enjoyable pirate film. who goes to a pirate movie for character development? I went for davy jones and jack sparrow.

Posted by: Jeremiah at July 8, 2006 10:31 PM

another spot-on review... why is it that they insist on making a pair of sequels with only the script to one? like many blockbuster movies this could be compressed into half the time, perhaps the writers only had one good tale in them, and the producers said "nah it's okay, we'll just fill the gaps with useless drivel and needless special effects".

or is it just me?

Posted by: travis at July 8, 2006 11:27 PM

First thing: glad to see there are other people confused over Johnny Depp's Oscar nod for the first movie. His performance was good: he really got into the character, he was fun and crazy. But definitely nowhere near something worthy of Hollywood's top honor. (And since when does the Academy nominate actors for roles in movies like this, anyway? Other great performances in similar genres usually don't get a second thought.)

That being said, same goes for the first movie as a whole. It was entertaining, but its hype was unnecessary. Now I've talked to some who have seen this movie already and they're the exact same people that fangirled over the original. I was never all that excited to see it, with it being a Disney sequel and all, but I'm pleased the people at Pajiba (and EW) look at the movie with an intellectual standpoint.

Posted by: Lindsay at July 8, 2006 11:44 PM

I think some of you are forgetting something regarding whether this movie is worth watching or not. A few people have said it, including me, but I'll say it again:

Pirates.

...Trump.

Posted by: Justin at July 9, 2006 1:31 AM

The first PotC was good fun, the sequel(s) were inevitable, but they made a poor choice trying to turn it into Lord of The Rings.

PotC WAS a superficially charming, tongue in cheek take on pirate mythology that had long drifted from the popular consciousness. In trying to give it weight, all they did was weigh it down. What a waste.

Posted by: Dave Shepherd at July 9, 2006 6:51 AM

Well, I believe it was enjoyable.

Posted by: Noose at July 9, 2006 7:18 AM

Pirates or Superman?

I saw both in the last week - i must say i am all for pirates when put against the mess that was superman (had so much potential but ultimately just fell short off the mark for me - blame it on Orlando's girlfriend), however, it was a tough call to differenciate between the 2. Pirates was fun and didn't try to be more than that, it was no oscar worthy film, but it did entertain, minus the fact that it was just a little too long.

Posted by: Chuci at July 9, 2006 9:03 AM

Really now. It's not planning on winning any Oscars, it's just fun. I felt it a little slow to start, but once it picked up... wow!

They crammed a lot of stuff into the movie, so it did feel a little disjointed, but I had a blast, there were a lot of sexy men (Norrington? WTF?!), and the CGI was incredible. As someone said... it's based off of a RIDE at DISNEY WORLD. It isn't supposed to mean anything. Johnny Depp is just supposed to nance around while Orlando Bloom broods and Keira Knightly stands with her mouth open like a fish.

So yeah. I liked it.

Posted by: Ella at July 9, 2006 12:27 PM

Meh. Saw it last night. Too long. 6 year old boy liked it, didn't love it. Too long, too long, too long.

SPOLIER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT

Hated the fucking ending. It's a goddamned ripoff to make a To Be Continued ending to a summer movie whose sequel will be continued in... at the very LEAST... another fucking YEAR. Absolute Matrixian non-ending bullshit.

END SPOILER

Anyway. It gets a weak recommendation from me to parents of small children, everyone else -- wait for the DVD.

Postscript: Why is Orlando Bloom still working? Do he and Kirsten Dunst have the same demonic agent?

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at July 9, 2006 3:54 PM

It still boggles my mind a little to look back on how absurdly successful the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie was. I find it testimony to the sorry state of blockbusters today that throngs of charm-deprived people left the theater declaring its genius.

I wholeheartedly agree!

Posted by: Candy at July 9, 2006 4:02 PM

I think you can't take this kind of movie seriously. Like rap music. You lose the mindless enjoyment if you expect something groundbreaking. Did the overpacked plot ever come to any useful conclusion? No. Was it a fantastic movie? No. Was the storyline completely original? No. But did it boast good effects and cheap laughs? Yes.

I do wish they'd just ditch the Disney part and get Orlando Bloom naked, though.

Posted by: Nicole at July 9, 2006 6:59 PM

Any excuse to continue ANY movie franchise for...let me guess, money would be the best motivation to milk this pathetic cow of a film...I don't understand why there is a tremendous lack of originality in Hollywood, it's really sad, considering that in the golden era of film there were so many gems that actually pushed the envelope...these days it takes films about electric cars and the situation in the Middle East to actually move me to go see a movie and not think it's a waste of money...the worst thing about it all is the tired gimmicks they push at the movie-going audience, expecting them to buy into the slapstick violence, watching everything blow up and playing dress-up is why you should go see movies...you should go see films that move you...not just to be all about how the film industry manipulates the viewer to buy into all the extraneous bullshit that comes out of it...

Posted by: Gina at July 9, 2006 7:39 PM

Sometimes a person just wants to be entertained, and entertained I was. Enjoyed every minute of it looking forward to #3.

Posted by: norma desmond at July 9, 2006 8:02 PM

I saw this movie, and I came out of the theatre feeling, well, weird. I can't put my finger on it, but I just couldn't understand how much my friends love this movie--they had told me how completely freaky the cliffhanger ending was, and how amazing everything about it was. All I saw was, like many other movies this summer, someone got too carried away with the special effects to focus on the story itself.

And the cliffhanger ending? I didn't care at all. I've been watching soap operas and dramas my entire life, and I've seen better cliffhangers on All My Children than this.

Also, it's sad to think that many of the moviegoers this summer are teenaged girls who will scream over the scene in which Orlando Bloom's shirt is ripped off, and giggle about it during the rest of the movie. Believe me, I was sitting next to six of them.

Posted by: Haley at July 9, 2006 9:02 PM

Ok, so there are the haters of the whole idea of the movie, the people that loved everything about the movie, the people who were diappointed in the movie but liked the special effects, and the people, like me, who were disappointed in the movie for reasons that include the violent effects.

I know that, because of our society's collective lust for disgusting, graphically rendered monsters, my opinion will always be in the minority; and probably not taken seriously, even on this site.

I know I'll come across as a wimp and a prude, even though I love "Evil Dead" and "Apocalypse Now".

But I have to say it: I'm so utterly sick of CGI being used almost exclusively to horrify or disgust. I am sick to death of computer effects taking over every movie that's made anymore, crowding out the human actors, distracting from the plot (such as it may be) and the genuinely interesting interactions of the characters. Especially when said effects seem to be nothing but a showcase of ugliness and horror and violence for their own sake, in a movie that I thought was going to be a lighthearted little summer romp. I realized anew why I almost never go to the movies anymore.

I sat through "The Crow" in the theater when I was 15, and I wasn't shocked or nauseated then like I ws today--because I knew I was at a horror film, and I expected it. Nasty, gruesome images like those in "Pirates of the Caribbean 2" have no business in a movie that markets itself as a harmless family film. Anyone who takes their child to see this is making a big mistake--eyeballs get viciously torn out by crows, animals get repeatedly shot, graphic body parts are everywhere, people get beaten by their own father, and there is a nasty, negative vibe hanging over the whole movie. It is nothing like the first. It's like the cast of the first wandered onto the set of a horror movie, and have no idea what they're doing there.

Laugh and feel superior and hipster-cool if you want, but does everything have to be dark and gorily violent to be taken seriously or hold our attention anymore? Does everything have to be either mindless drivel, or ultraviolent nastiness? It feels like that's all that comes out anymore. Are there no fun, smart alternatives?

I went to this movie expecting to see a funny, loopy, sunshiny picture about pirates and beaches and silly bad guys. What I endured was almost three hours of darkness and slime and horror and pointlessness. I want my fucking Sunday back.

Posted by: Vi at July 9, 2006 9:08 PM

I agree with you, Vi. I wouldn't take a young child to see this film. It's rated PG-13 for a good reason, yet it's still marketed to even the youngest moviegoers (check out McDonald's if you don't believe that). It's not the movie itself, just the marketing that boggles my mind. I realize that Disney sees this as an excellent opportunity to make money (it really is), and I disagree with everything being watered down for children (and am anti-censorship, period), but if they're going to intend a movie for families, especially if they're intending them for children, they ought to make it appropriate. I guess I have mixed things about the whole thing.

I love zombies, vampires, and just about any other eerie thing under the sun, but I am SERIOUSLY creeped out by sea-creatures. I was a bit ill after the movie, but that was my own fault. I enjoyed it over all (I love a fun action flick, especially with pretty costumes).

Posted by: grace at July 9, 2006 9:32 PM

"I think you can't take this kind of movie seriously. Like rap music. You lose the mindless enjoyment if you expect something groundbreaking."

I disagree with this kind of thinking - some rap is complex with brilliant, clever lyrics. Some sucks. Likewise, some silly movies are excellent and intelligent (Shaun of the Dead, Waiting for Guffman). Some suck. Neither genre's a monolith.

Posted by: Samantha T at July 9, 2006 10:50 PM

Shaun of the Dead was alright, but I really wouldn't classify it as the same genre as POTC. Which I wholeheartedly enjoy, and damn you boobs who think there's something wrong with that.

Posted by: Jen at July 9, 2006 11:22 PM

And Vi, nice rant, but...they didn't seem like "scary" or "gory" effects to me. Unless you're afraid of seaweed and barnacles like poor Grace there. The spikiness of it did lend some malevolence to the Flying Dutchman, but um, hello? There was just as much "darkness" present in the first movie. Why expect the franchise to completely change directions?

I'm sorry that you went to see a movie that was pretty accurately represented by its trailer and didn't like it. But...that's kind of your fault.

Posted by: Jen at July 9, 2006 11:33 PM

Not afraid so much as grossed out.

And you may be right, Jen. When I went, it was mostly young adults like myself, with very few kids actually in the audience because it was a midnight showing. I don't know how kids responded to it, but I imagine that some very young kids would be a little frightened.

I'm not saying it's a bad movie, I enjoyed it quite a bit and I think others should see it if action movies are their thing. Many of the commenters enjoyed it, even the initial reviewer found some entertainment in it. However, if it were any other franchise, it would probably not be marketed so heavily to children. I think the absence of overt sexuality plays a part in it, too, though. Overall it's fairly wholesome, just a little more graphic than most family fare these days.

Posted by: grace at July 10, 2006 12:09 AM

This review is spot-on. About 90 minutes in, I started yawning uncontrollably, due mostly to a convoluted plot and my complete indifference to what happens next to whom. And ending in a cliffhanger is a cheap ploy to make us spend twice the money for half a plot. I will not fall for their tricks.

Posted by: Chez at July 10, 2006 1:37 AM

i haven't watched the movie yet...but i'll definitely watch it even if you say it sucked.

and hey, couldn't you just ENJOY it and not overanalyze...its a MOVIE for pete's sake!!! i feel sad that you're so dense...and if i may say so, you're missing a lot of things, mr. stephens.

i agree with this guy ..." i read Pajiba more as a form of self-abuse than as film recommendation I guess, because I find I rarely agree with the critics. Movies are more for entertainment then message, not every film is (or should be) The Motorcycle Diaries." thank God! someone spelled it out for me!

Posted by: ava_adore at July 10, 2006 1:58 AM

I agree that the movie was very bloated. They seriously could've dumped the whole cannibal sequence and the movie would have been better for it (although I must admit I loved the makeup Depp had on for that bit). All of the actors were fine and the plot was fine, they just stretched it out too much.

But I must say that I really liked the ending. (SPOILER AHEAD): I loved how Jack finally did something good, and consequently Elizabeth betrays him and leaves him to die. And then you see her racked with guilt in the witch's hut and Will thinking she cheated on him and that she feels awful because she loved Jack (rather than she killed him). And although Barbosa currently makes no sense, I like the surprise anyway.

Posted by: Gnasty at July 10, 2006 2:32 AM

It was ok. I didn't hate it, but didn't love it either. I agree with Phillip's assessment of Depp, however, I really did enjoy Davy Jones and his crew. They just looked cool. Everything else was just ok.

A friend was adamant that I should stay until after the credits.... I did, and I really wish I could have that time back. Don't bother staying until the credits have rolled because you will be disappointed. Now, I'm off to go kick my friend's ass...the credits seemed to be the longest running credits in movie history.

Posted by: tknocks at July 10, 2006 11:56 AM

132,000,000 fucking dollars for the 3 day.

Posted by: brandt at July 10, 2006 12:23 PM

I saw it and felt it was the kind of movie you can really enjoy so long as you don't think too hard. I had to work a little to keep myself in that non-thinking state, especially when the action scenes dragged on forever (I'm thinking of the island with the chest and the wheel and the endless chasing and sword fighting). The cliffhanger ending? Lame.

All that said, I thoroughly enjoyed myself most of the time. Really, it was a lot like an amusement park ride - constant thrills but not much else.

Posted by: Kristin at July 10, 2006 12:41 PM

It's based on an amusement park ride. As such, I had low expectations and was pleasantly surprised with the first one. It was cute and had a good pace. It didn't really seem worth the Oscar nod to Depp, but he's gone unnoticed when he DESERVED an Oscar nod, so I'm not going to complain. I agree that sequels 2 and 3 are unnecessary - although I'll probably watch both at some point.
Orlando should stay with the slightly-effeminate-long-haired-blond-elf look, since he can't pull off the swashbuckling-heterosexual-hero vibe.

Posted by: paula at July 10, 2006 2:27 PM

I enjoyed the first Pirates immensely, and this sequel is one of my most anticipated movies this summer.

I'm disappointed that Pajiba didn't give it a stellar review. However, I have to consider the intellectual merit of the entire review suspect when the best way the reviewer can think to make a comparison of the original move is "What the film was was your run-of-the-mill..."

"Was was"?? Did the reviewer fail junior high grammar? Come on! HahaLOl what a total mron!

Posted by: k at July 10, 2006 2:33 PM

2 1/2 hour long movie...TOO LONG!

My Daily Zen.com

Posted by: Master Zen at July 10, 2006 2:59 PM

"Wouldn't you know it, Bruckheimer and his army of sycophantic thralls couldn't let well enough alone, couldn't just be happy that they hit a charming and popular nerve (in all likelihood by accident), but -- bolstered by this success -- they decided to grab their cash-cow by the teats and squeeze them until purple and bruised."

What a wonderfully accurate metaphor for just about everything currently wrong with the movie INDUSTRY! I am taking a little solace in Kitty X's comment that whales like this help the studios greenlight the lovely little guppies that I usually prefer. I don't know if it's really true, but please don't wake me from my dream. I will probably see this film anyway, because I think Johnny Depp is so talented and magically delicious, but it's bargain matinee all the way, or Netflix later.

I do think that some of you posters are being a little hard on Phillip. I, too, have been criticized for expecting too much of a film. But even mindless entertainment should be, shudder to think, ENTERTAINING. Movie enjoyment is subjective, but the quality of a lot of what Hollywood is churning out is so poor, panning a movie rarely has to do with "over-thinking" anymore.

Posted by: MaiGirl at July 10, 2006 3:26 PM

"Was was"?? Did the reviewer fail junior high grammar? Come on! HahaLOl what a total mron!

That was classic. Maybe you want to use Spell Check and Grammar Check before you try to make fun of someone else.

Overall, I agree with this review. I was bored and disappointed.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2006 3:28 PM

Seriously, what is wrong with you. If there isn't anything in the world of entertainment you like, maybe you shouldn't be a fucking critic. I mean shit, I've looked at like 10 of your reviews of movies that everyone i've ever talked to loves, but you, talk about how shitty it is. Maybe you should start reviewing something else besides movies. Well, what i'm saying is, you suck ass.

Posted by: pappycax at July 10, 2006 3:40 PM

Hey pappycax, the website's tagline is "Scathing reviews for bitchy people." While "scathing" might be lost on you, I'm sure you can glean the meaning of "bitchy." If you want happy happy joy joy "reviews," go watch Entertainment Tonight. Geez.

Posted by: SHE at July 10, 2006 5:22 PM

Some fine commentary there be at this site, but actual pirate comments be in short supply, says I. Belay yer claptrap and harken to what a REAL pirate has to say on the matter of this here "Pirates" movie.
The scurvy knave who wrote this review knows not an amusement ride when he spies one. And some of the bilge-water spewing from the enthusiasts who claim 150 minutes is a fine length for a film need to have their leadlines checked. Certain, the film lasted a wee too long for piratical tastes. Pirates have short attention spans, says I, and are easily distracted by shiny objects...like GOLD! Arr, and where be the true quest for every pirate? A ship's hold filled with plate and treasure, yet shiver me timbers if this small task was struck from the tale without a by your leave. As one lubber mentioned afore, 'tis a poor pirate story without a ship's battle! Thar's plenty o' tales to rattle yer bones about normal pirate activity without mixing up not one, but TWO nautical myths and adding yet another blasted curse into the salty brew.
Now that me decks are cleared, I also stake claim that the film was still good rollicking fun and me shipmates all agreed. Bring on Pirates 3 me hearties, says I, and damn your eyes if you don't see this film!

Posted by: Capn Gravy at July 10, 2006 5:23 PM

Here, here to the Robert Altman comment. That guy blows and people still love him. The first movie was good entertainment, nothing more. But that's all I ask from a movie. Scared of what could merit a 2nd and 3rd Pirates movie, but then a good story can be put into just about any context...too bad this doesn't appear to be one of those. I'll still go see it anyway out of respect for the 1st one and Depp. He really can pull off a character that would just be ludicrous in the hands of anyone else, as also shown in his role as Mr. Wonka and many other, lesser known roles.

Oh, and don't disrespect Keith! He is the hardest working embalmed person in showbiz!!!

Posted by: altan at July 10, 2006 5:27 PM

Orlando should stay with the slightly-effeminate-long-haired-blond-elf look, since he can't pull off the swashbuckling-heterosexual-hero vibe.

Ha! I thought it was just me. I totally crushed on Orlando in the LOTR trilogy. However, when I saw what he looked like outside of the film, the crush-POOF!-went away.

Posted by: Daphne at July 10, 2006 6:02 PM

Are you guys going to review A Scanner Darkly anytime soon or what?!

Posted by: Gina at July 10, 2006 8:11 PM

Wow I wish I could be as cool and hip as the people on Pajiba. Jesus de la Christophe, is there any movie they enjoy? Any at all? Does every movie suck nowadays? Literally every single movie, whether big-budget blockbuster or tiny indie? I think the only positive review I've read on here was for that Bob Altman sleeper... 'cause it put me to fucking sleep. Let's do a column on movies that Pajiba actually enjoys! Or better yet, let's raise some money so maybe the staff can do one themselves! Apparently only they know the secret ingredient missing in all of cinema...

Posted by: Hack Pharaoh at July 10, 2006 8:13 PM

First one was, eh. This one rocked. If you took any of it too seriously and expected anything besides some exciting scenes and special effects with a cool turn by Johnny Depp, then you are expecting waaaaay too much.

I typically HATE Hollywood movies and especially big budget special effect films (even though I see most of them) and this might just be the most entertaining film I've seen in a year. Do not set your expectations high and you are likely to enjoy it. I saw it at the biggest theatre in Boston and the entire audience erupted in applause when the credits started rolling (honestly - a reaction I have never witnessed in a theatre). I hate finding myself defending a big budget Disney film since I typically hate them, but I have to say, this movie was as entertaining as fuck.

Posted by: Tallsonofagun at July 10, 2006 8:45 PM

I really enjoyed the movie but did anyone notice how much the plot resembled The Empire Strikes Back? Jack was swallowed by a giant squid not frozen in carbonite but the whole "crew" are going to go after him to save the day! The girl is torn between the good guy and the naughty guy. The villan in the last story joins forces to "help" rescue Jack just like Lando did for Hans Solo. It all seems so familiar.

Posted by: Theresa at July 10, 2006 9:13 PM

See...the thing is, for those of us who live down the street from Disneyland and have season passes, Pirates has always been the go-to ride. Too hot outside? Pirates. Too rainy? Pirates. Tired? Pirates. Contemplating creating a perpetual motion machine? Pirates. Too many tourists massing around Space Mountain wearing black shorts, fanny packs and white socks up to their mid-calf? Bloody Pirates! And no one was ever on the ride, either, so you could just nod to the guy on duty, and stay in your boat, and go through it again. Or, when you became a teenager, you'd jump off in the middle of the ride, take photos with the skeletons in the treasure trove, and have a great time until an empty boat rides by, and then get back into it, if you didn't get caught.

Pirates as a movie? Oh, hells yeah. We were there! Johnny Depp is in it? Just icing on the cake. The movie filled in for the rest of the world what the ride has always been to me and my friends-a way to escape for a while, and get away from all the crap that's waiting for you on the outside. It's just good fun, and it has no real meaning, so I will always go to the movies, and I will still try and ride the ride, even though all of the tourists have finally figured out where it is, and I'm forced to get on Haunted Mansion for a while.

Posted by: zambonigirl at July 11, 2006 2:01 AM

I don't undestand people that complain about the reviewers here. I'm pretty sure many of you don't get the fact that this site is for telling it like it is whether the movie was good or bad. There is no bullshit in these reviews, just a straight up honest opinion concerning movies. I personally wouldn't have it any other way and I wouldnt come here otherwise. Snarky and bitchy is the way Pajiba chooses to present their reviews and I love them for it because 9 times out of 10, they're dead on.

Posted by: Candy at July 11, 2006 8:36 AM

I'm trying to understand all of the negative comments regarding the reveiw. He didn't pan the movie. He said that it was too long and that the writers and director didn't give the characters anywhere to go. He doesn't fault any of the actors and actually seemed disappointed that the actors couldn't do more. So, everyone harshing on the guy for his opinion, might want to actually go back and SEE WHAT THE OPINION WAS FIRST.

Any negative things he said about this movie are true about the first movie and it didn't make the first movie any less enjoyable. I'm sure the reveiwer is quite aware that it is a PIRATE MOVIE based on an AMUSEMENT PARK ride. I doubt he needs people who barely skimmed his review to tell him that.

Marry me?
~Phillip

Posted by: chasity at July 11, 2006 9:38 AM

Thanks Capn Gravy -cuz pirates is pirates- and
and zambonigirl - a true understanding of the cultural significance of the PotC ride at Disneyland.

My husband and I saw this at an early show in a theater packed with parents, kids,teens,couples, etc. The theater rocked with laughter and kid giggles for the whole -omigod- 150 minutes.

Sometimes you need a respite from seriousness, logic, perfection and need to be allowed to be silly and illogical.
Would that we all gave in to 150 minutes of goofiness once a week.

Posted by: DJO at July 11, 2006 9:58 AM

Good.
I was getting sick of reading comments praising the coolness and insightfulness of the reviews on this site week after week.
I was thinking the tagline should be: Pajiba: Reviews for Mindless Sycophants.
I'm glad to see people are starting to disagree.

Posted by: Natalie at July 11, 2006 9:59 AM

Of course, that doesn't mean that your reviews aren't tremendous fun to read!

Posted by: Natalie at July 11, 2006 10:04 AM

Having met the two writers, I can assure you they have a deep affection for movies, are both keenly aware of what makes an enjoyable experience for the audience, and have been disappointed by the directors they have worked with in the past. This combined expertise in the movie field has worked to their advantage in the production of the "Pirates" franchise, as they have nothing but praise for the cast and crew. It sounds like it was a very positive experience for them and they were actually present on the set for the shoot, something every writer hopes for but many get disappointed in the process. That being said, I had high expectations for this film, and I left the theater feeling let down. What makes it worse for me is I know how clever the writers are, and I was hoping for more story and less effects (which were spectacular, btw). *No Closure Whatsoever*, and we have to wait until next summer??? I'm purposely not attending the opening weekend, 'cause if I have to wait a year, I'm sure my anticipation can last a week longer! I also hope my faith in the writers won't be crushed, as I know they are more than capable of crafting a good story. Check out their website @ www.wordplayer.com

Posted by: wildrose at July 11, 2006 12:40 PM

Depp stopped making good movies a long time ago. He does this shit so his kids can watch him prance around dressed like a pirate. Arrr mateys. I couldn't even stay awake through the first one, and I tried 3 times. I never sleep through movies either. What garbage this film franchise is.

Posted by: T at July 11, 2006 3:50 PM

Totally worth the price - fun, mindless, pretty, and silly. Compared to the other dreck that's out there, it's a damn masterpiece. Stop taking yourselves so seriously and go watch it for what it is, a fun romp on the high seas. Bring the kids too - it'll be magical for them. Depp is excellent, and this movie sets the stage nicely for the third installment.

Posted by: Pity the Fool at July 11, 2006 4:59 PM

thanks a lot theresa. because you didn't preface your comments with a "SPOILERS" warning, you just ruined the entire movie for me. grrr.

Posted by: no doubt at July 11, 2006 6:15 PM

I can't believe someone actually got their calculator out.

I don't care if the movie got a bad review. I just want to see it for the escapism... and Johnny!

Posted by: annie at July 12, 2006 11:16 AM

"....Thank god i know some of the 0.243705973% who dont love him :)..........."

LOL I can't believe someone actually got their calculator out.

I don't care if the movie got a bad review. I just want to see it for the escapism... and Johnny!

Posted by: annie at July 12, 2006 11:17 AM

Here's the thing about Pajiba: Of course the writers will have a bit of a complex now and then. Anyone who posts any sort of review on the internet is entitled to act as though they have the magic cure-all for life (or in this case, cinema). Because no one can call you on it. That's the beauty of blogs and review sites. So bitch on, Pajiba writers. If you don't agree with them...here's a novel idea...don't agree with them, and move on with your life. Not every review I have read on here has been exactly in line with my own opinion, but that doesn't mean the writer should burn in hell for his dislike and/or like of something. Read it, then disregard it or laugh. But don't get all bent out of shape.

Here's the thing about Pirates 2: Of course it was going to suck, it was a sequel. Disney has needed about 120 volts to the chest since whatsisname left to go join Pixar...Pirates 1 was sort of an accidental goldmine. It had flaws, sure. But when you hold it up to Pirates 2, the second feels like an ultra-long trailer for Pirates 3. And it's just not okay. So yes, I think the review was quite right in its criticism of the directors and writers, and its disappointment in the opportunities that the actors weren't given. I think CGI is definitely used in lieu of good writing and acting, and Pirates 2 took the fun, folkloric "pirate culture" of Pirates 1 and beat it into the ground by trying to make everything real. Part of the trick to escapism is not to make everything visible and real, but to leave a little to the imagination. (I don't have any qualms about mentioning that leaving a little to the imagination would've cut their CGI/Special Effects budget in half.)

Hollywood wastes money. It's what they're good at. America gives it all back to them, plus some. It's what we're good at. But the sense of entitlement of those in the arts has eroded their sense of responsibility to create something unique, challenging, or meaningful. Even if your definition of "meaningful" is "all six completely different members of my family enjoyed it together". And this film, by that definition, wasn't meaningful at all.

Posted by: texas at July 12, 2006 2:35 PM

To wildrose, who knows the writers - I can imagine your disappointment at knowing what they are capable of and seeing this product. I feel the same way about Verbinski. It's amazing that the creator of such an against-the-grain film as Weatherman (amazing, by the way...see it if you haven't already) could churn out such a stereotypical Hollywood blah-fest.

Posted by: texas at July 12, 2006 2:38 PM

This seems to be the movie's form review. I wasn't too surprised to find the same sentiment at Pajiba. At least there weren't the same awful piratey puns, thank you for sparing us!

Anyway, I liked the movie for what it was, but then again I'm one of those Disneyland AP-holding PoTC-loving fangirls.

Posted by: Gudrun at July 12, 2006 3:07 PM

i thought the movie was ok, entertaining and i do love johnny depp, but still just a bit ordinary. everything i liked about the first one seemed to be missing, and everything i hated from part one was still there ( blooms bad acting, and knightlys wierd face.) but no matter how much we all bitch about how bad it was, most of us will see the 3rd one because they did a good job in making me want to know how this will all end...

Posted by: boo at July 12, 2006 9:43 PM

The way people criticize the lack of acting and lines is pathetic. Just grow up and realize that some people (a lot of people) like to watch an exciting movie. PotC 1 created an atmosphere which allowed for the director to do just about anything he wanted and you know what he did a damn good job. So stop whining about the quality of movies and the deficiencies of their directors and come up with your own original idea. Otherwise keep your pessimistic opinions to yourselves and the sad thing is that you hated the first movie so badly and yet you went to see the second one, only with the intention of ripping it apart.

Posted by: Pete at July 12, 2006 9:46 PM

The way people criticize the lack of acting and lines is pathetic. Just grow up and realize that some people (a lot of people) like to watch an exciting movie. PotC 1 created an atmosphere which allowed for the director to do just about anything he wanted and you know what he did a damn good job. So stop whining about the quality of movies and the deficiencies of their directors and come up with your own original ideas. Otherwise keep your pessimistic opinions to yourselves. The sad thing is that you hated the first movie so badly and yet you went to see the second one, only with the intention of ripping it apart.

Posted by: Pete at July 12, 2006 9:48 PM

It is so nice to see that a website like Pajiba can give an outlet for film snobs to vent out their sanctimonious rage and feel more self important than they already do. These critical essays on each and every movie are laughable. Perhaps, and this is just a theory, some movies can be simple entertainment. Pleae, don't get me wrong, I love a good tear jerker or a truly life changing film masterpiece, but to go into a move that is a sequel to a movie based on an amusement park ride and expect anything more than some fun, you are bound to be disappointed. Was it the greatest movie of all time? No. Was it fun to watch? Yes. Why am I asking myself questions and then answering them? I don't know.
Relax, dump some milk duds into your popcorn, and enjoy.

Posted by: Tony at July 13, 2006 12:05 AM

It is so nice to see that a website like Pajiba can give an outlet for film snobs to vent out their sanctimonious rage and feel more self important than they already do. These critical essays on each and every movie are laughable. Perhaps, and this is just a theory, some movies can be simple entertainment. Pleae, don't get me wrong, I love a good tear jerker or a truly life changing film masterpiece, but to go into a move that is a sequel to a movie based on an amusement park ride and expect anything more than some fun, you are bound to be disappointed. Was it the greatest movie of all time? No. Was it fun to watch? Yes. Why am I asking myself questions and then answering them? I don't know.
Relax, dump some milk duds into your popcorn, and enjoy.

Posted by: Tony at July 13, 2006 12:05 AM

And you know what the saddest thing about this is? They're redoing the Pirates of the Caribbean ride to go with the trilogy! NOOO. That thing was sacred! And wasn't the movie supposed to be based on the ride in the first place? I hate commercialism. Almost as bad as when the Swiss Family Robinson thing got turned into Tarzan's tree house.

Posted by: alethea at July 13, 2006 12:11 AM

I've heard a lot of negative things about this movie (the plot sucked, the acting sucked, there was too much action,it wasn't as good as the first one, etc) and i think they are all bullshit. I know you can't make everyone happy, but some people just have to have something mean to say. i thought it was great and I've seen it four times.

BTW-If you think Johnny didn't deserve an oscar nom for the first one, you're a jaded retard who can't see a great character when it's right in front of them.

Posted by: suzie at July 13, 2006 8:45 AM

I will support this movie simply because it rendered Bryan Singer speechless.

Posted by: Candy at July 13, 2006 5:20 PM

I'm waiting for the third one to settle the age-old question: ARRRRR (sorry, bad pun!) PIRATES BETTER THAN NINJAS? The world would like to know.

I wouldn't go so far as to label this movie as "epic," but it was good fun, indeed. Verbinski could've injected this installment with even more meaningless characters than were already there (to have Norrington come back was a beautiful nod to the first movie, because we've already established some sort of emotion with that character), but he kept the "inside jokes" and such, I thought, to a minimum ("Hide the rum," etc.). I felt that this was more of a transition piece than an actual movie, just to explain that they're going to the Spirit Realm and why Barbosa's back in the third one. And you know what? That's fine with me!

Posted by: duckandcover at July 13, 2006 5:50 PM

Johnny Depp has found his metier. Play every role as a weird queer.
Let's see, "Stalin's Rise To Power", a remake of "Twelve O'Clock High", of course "Hamlet", remake "Godfather II", remake "Lassie", fill in your own fave, all as a mincing pederast menace. It seems to be working for him.


Curtis, now I have to kill you. >:[


And I notice that for everyone who's screaming "CALM DOWN IT'S BASED ON A RIDE!!!", you're sure getting awful bent out of shape about this review. Pirates are neat, Depp is awesome, the first movie was tolerable fun, but I would like to remind you that NOTHING IS SACRED, kiddies. So calm down. If you disagree with someone on a movie review site that not only knows that it's pretentious, but revels in said-pretention in a glorious, $5-dollar-word orgasm of bitchery, the sun will still rise tomorrow.

Seriously, you kids need Eris. You take yourselves entirely too seriously.

(about the film--wasn't overly impressed and it wasn't what I expected, but I agree that these great, fun characters could have been given a lot more to do. And why hasn't anyone killed Elizabeth yet?)

Posted by: anaxa at July 13, 2006 5:52 PM

Amen, anaxa, AMEN. With all of the accusations of snobbery based on the review and others who don't think it's the Best.Movie.Evah, methinks that some are coming off a tad hypocritical. I never thought I would see the day where one could be a POTC snob, but, alas, that day has come. Well, Pajiba, I guess you can't review summer blockbusters anyore. Obviously, you're not supposed to evaluate certain movies; just those that are SUPPOSED to be thought-provoking, indie/arthouse films. Heaven forbid someone doesn't enjoy a movie based on a Disney ride.

Posted by: Daphne at July 13, 2006 6:20 PM

You and your review (And this whole crappy site) suck ass. No wonder I never heard of you before, and I will just as quickly forget you.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow at July 14, 2006 11:40 AM

"With the movie's scale bloated to such a degree and little to fill it..."




That's the one thing I have to disagree with in this review: there must have been like a million subplots. Dead Man's Chest appears to have gone to the Mission Impossible 2 school of storytelling and made such a big story, with no many aspects, that it HAS to mean something, right? Maybe. Usually Bruckheimer movies are just a big expensive fun romp, but in this case, they tried too hard. So as much as I went into this movie with a (gasp!) non-Pajiba attitude, I came out the opposite, and it's sort of a shame.

Posted by: Erica at July 14, 2006 12:24 PM

I didn't like it either, and feel that "mediocre" is a complement for this film. It wasn't very funny and was utterly devoid of acting.

If you are interested, I also wrote a review on my blog ( www.LestDarknessFall.blogspot.com ) at:
http://lestdarknessfall.blogspot.com/2006/07/pirates-2-worse-than-walking-plank.html

Posted by: LDF at July 14, 2006 8:28 PM

Since I figured this was going to blow harder than certain members of society at specific professions, I was actually entertained. Thanks, Jerry.

Posted by: Masha at July 15, 2006 3:03 AM

Thanks, for a moment i felt that I was alone and under the influence of crazy pills.

Posted by: Chris at July 16, 2006 2:56 AM

I loved the first POTC. The sequel, I didn't enjoy as much as I did the first. But it still wasn't a bad movie.
But I have to agree that the movie was a bit too long. Although it was only 20 mins longer than the first movie, the reason why it felt like it was much longer second time around was because it ended in a "to-be-continued" mode. Despite the movie being that long, it had no resolve. That usually tends to tire me out. I felt the same way watching the first LOTR (although not at all for P2 and P3). It's fine if there is no finality at the end of the movie, but after sitting there for so long, it didn't feel satisfying having a half-assed ending. But to be fair, I'll wait until the 3rd installment for real criticism. The second sort of acted as the set-up for the 3rd; albeit a long set up.
I also did get a bit confused with the plot in P2, and some parts really did drag on.
But nonetheless, still entertaining.
And Keira Knightly looked cute in the pirate outfits.

Posted by: suz at July 16, 2006 8:11 PM

hey guys, I have a cool idea, how about every time a movie critic writes negatively about a movie you enjoyed, you could totally ignore all the other reviews on the site (many of which have clearly praised fun inconsequential "escapist" blockbuster flicks) and claim the writer is too pretentious and self-important to buy into anything less than Oscar fodder. Or you could totally go into a bitch-fest about how people need to stop nitpicking every movie, even though you're on a website specializing in CRITICAL MOVIE REVIEWS MEANT TO OBJECTIVELY ASSESS THE QUALITY OF RECENT FILMS. Ya know, that kinda shit would totally make you look intelligent and rational.

And for the record, I took my parents to see this; they have to be two of the most run-of-the-mill, unpretentious, escapism-craving moviegoers of all time, and even they were getting restless over the ungodly amount of tiresome subplots and absence of any kind of resolution. I know plenty of "average" uncritical moviegoers who were craving a fun flick and were disappointed. people WANTED it to be good, and it just wasnt. If you disagree, good for you, your eight bucks probably dont feel like a waste. You get the better end of this deal, so quit your moronic bitching.

Posted by: hellena at July 16, 2006 8:55 PM

what is the most favirtoe thing in the whole world

Posted by: Bella Atkins at July 17, 2006 4:02 AM

Some of you said you didn't like the first one. . . so WHY then did you see the sequel? Do you all live to bitch and moan? First, it's a Disney family movie so it is meant to be fun. What did you expect from a pirate movie, some philosophical look on life? Lighten up! I thought it was funny and very entertaining.

Posted by: Mandy at July 19, 2006 9:58 AM

I saw this movie last week with my husband, my parents, and my sister and her boyfriend, and we were split 2 to 4 on our enjoyment of the movie (with me and my husband being the 2 who didn't really care for it). I absolutely loved the first movie, perhaps because I had no expectations for it to be anything other than drivel, so was extremely pleased when I finally did see it and found myself chuckling.

What bothered me most about this movie, besides the fact that I'm not a fan of movies that can't stand on their own (the ending of DMC pretty much demands a watching of the next installment, while the first movie is a story unto itself), and besides the lack of a coherent story (did anyone else find the intermittent references to the legend of Davy Jones and his heart somewhat confusing?), was that the movie itself felt mostly like a long advertisment for Disney's newest version of the Pirates of the Carribean ride.

I mean, you've got the pirates swinging in that ball-contraption, you've got the fighting on the runaway water wheel, you've even got boat-top adventures with the arrival of the "Cracken." It just seemed to me that the movie was no more than the blueprint for the "New and Improved" Pirates of the Carribean ride (because as anyone who's been to the original ride can attest, the ride, while perhaps enjoyable, is low on the thrill-meter).

Posted by: Lauren at July 19, 2006 3:44 PM

You suck!!!! The movie was awesome, funny and entertaining, just as it should be. It isn't supposed to be serious, so if anyone is stupid it's the people who tried to take it seriously. I mean come on its friggin PIRATES thats awesome. I personally thoght Depp's portrayl of Jack Sparrow was hilarious. I also loved that Keira Knightly got way more action in the movie. I agree with the above statement, "You go make a movie and see how much people like it." I bet it would be a bore. I hate to see how you review Snakes on a Plane. You're probably going to love it you imbecile.

Posted by: Shaina at July 19, 2006 8:01 PM

I enjoyed the first movie - it was fun. But this one was boring- I ended up seeing it 1.5 times because I fell asleep the first time. The special effects with the characters was really neat, but they could've cut out an hour and we wouldn't have missed much. Plus I thought Keira's character got even more annoying, and was frustrated that the movie tried to be too serious and too funny at the same time... a little forced on both ends.

Posted by: lisa at July 20, 2006 3:00 AM

For me, most of the movie was wicked boring and pointless, though basically I expected frivolous action sequences and got at least that.

Davy Jones looked AMAZING. Truly the best close-up effects I've ever seen. He looked so physical, so real, like you could reach out and touch that slimy head. Excellent.

Orlando Bloom was much better and likeable this time around, so I guess I appreciate Pirates II for giving him that.

Posted by: Becky at July 20, 2006 11:25 AM

I liked how long the movie was. It enabled me and my date to stay out of the heat of our sweltering, airless apartment for an additional half hour.

Posted by: ecperry at July 21, 2006 4:20 PM

(*I Give Away Parts Of The Movie, If That Upsets You...Read No Further!*)
"Pirates Of The Caribbean : Dead Man's Chest", Is An Incredible Build Up For "Pirates 3" To Follow Next May.
This Is A Great Movie As Far As #2's Go Because As We All Know #2 & #3 Of ALMOST Anything Hollywood Releases Is A Failure!

I Am A Big Fan Of Jeoffrey Rush And His Character "Barbossa", I Found His Last Minute Entrance A Brilliant One. Having Read The Casting List A Year Ago And Knowing Jeoffrey Gave The Nod, I Knew This Was Going To Be A Good Movie.
I Was A Bit Upset Towards The End Because The "Black Pearl" Was Gone, I Didn't See Jeoffrey (Barbossa) Anywhere, I Said To Myself, " What The Hell Did I Come Here For?
It Sent Chills Up My Spine When "Tia Dorma" Announced Him At The End Of The Movie And He Came Walking Down The Stairs.
At First I Thought, "Who The Hell Can She Be Talking About"?
I Had Gone To The Sold Out Premiere Of "Dead Man's Chest" In Hyannis, Massachusetts...2nd Row Seating Made It Difficult To Pick Up On Many Clues And Hidden Features, However, Having Seen This Movie 4 Times Now In Theaters (Overshadowed Only By Titanic - 7 Times), I Was Happy To Sit FURTHER Back And Pick Up On Some Very Important Clues Such As: The Undead Monkey Brought To "Tia Dorma" As Payment, Was Shown Several Times Sitting Right Beside A Boot, Which Was Attached To A Leg, That Belonged To "Barbossa" (Jeoffrey Rush)Sleeping In The Bed, Also When "Jack Sparrow" (Johnny Depp),And The Crew Were In Tia Dorma's Hut...He Was Rummaging Around With Things, One Of The Things He Was Holding Was Barbossa's Feathered Black Hat!
And Finally The Last Important Clue Is The Heart Shaped Music Box That Is Disturbed And Starts Playing Music When "Will Turner" Plunders The Key From The Sleeping "Davey Jones" Character, It's The Same Exact Heart Featured As A Locket On "Tia Dorma's" Table.
One Can't Help But Wonder...Is Tia Dorma Connected To Davey Jones?...Is She The "Woman" He Fell In Love With That They Speak Of? (Though The Age Difference Seems Rather Large), Or Better Yet Is Tia Dorma The Daughter Of Davey Jones And This "Woman"?...Or Does She Simply Have Some Magical Power To Bring People Back From The Dead? (ie: Barbossa?, Jack Sparrow?, Davey Jones's Woman?)
My Girlfriend Being A Screenwriter But Myself Being More Into Music Than Movies, I'll Say This...Having Seen This Movie For The 4th Friggin Time And Loving Each Visit,...Seeing This Movie Unite Audiences Of All Ages And Genders,...And Wondering What's Next..I Actually Fear That When "Pirates 3" Is Released Next May That The Top Grossing Movie Of All Time, Another Great Movie (Titanic -$600+ Million), Will Be In Serious Danger Of Sinking To #2!
You Don't Want Too Much Of A Good Thing, But Then Again The Explosive Team Of Bruckheimer And Disney Deliver And The People Return The Favor.
When Will It End?
Being 75% Portugese And No Doubt Of Some Pirate Decent, I Actually Hope There's A #4 Somewhere Down The Road.(And It Better Include Jeoffrey Rush!)
With There Being Hardly A Dull Moment In "Curse Of The Black Pearl" And "Dead Man's Chest" I'm Sure "Pirates 3" Will Live Up To It's Expectation!
I Know This Much , At Least 4 Tickets Are Spoken For!


~Aaron - Cape Cod, Massachusetts

Posted by: Aaron at July 27, 2006 2:35 AM

too much talkin!!!

and it was sad to see Capt. Jack Sparrow being mostly unamusing this time around.

and the fact that they are doin the whole one big movie cut into two just like the shitty Matrix sequels,... i'm lost for words here.

and did we really need to see Commodor Norrington again? In that state?

final verdict: disappointed...

Posted by: haplo at July 29, 2006 12:49 PM

did u guys like dead mans chest

Posted by: samantha at August 13, 2006 12:57 PM

it got boring after the first 2 hours though

Posted by: samantha at August 13, 2006 12:59 PM

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Posted by: RJ at August 17, 2006 6:36 PM

the most interesting aspect of this film is how subversively QUEER it is and yet how popular with everyday Americans. Depp clearly rides the moral an sexual middle ground and is loved for it. Kiera Knightly also unleashes to her butch side - and kisses the guy - underscoring how the gender twisting here is not limited to Depp. the only thing missing is Orlando Bloom and JD making out, which of course they do symbolically with their "swordplay."

i dunno, from the vagina dentata/Cthulhu symbolism to all that eyeliner, this film is a transgender romp parading as mainstream cinema - and the better for it imho.

perhaps pirates are fascinating to us because they provid a vibrant version of the subaltern during a period of oppressive colonial expansion. the world's very first democracy (where everybody could vote - not just men) was on Madagascar. those bothering to read /Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition/ will be treated to details about the pirate "lifestyle" that may cast Jack Sparrow in a new light...

Posted by: gronk at August 25, 2006 12:54 PM

Pirates was a 3 picture deal from the beginning, to anyone who is willing to do the minimal amount of research, and it could have been a lot worse. It could have been directed by Uwe Boll. Be grateful.

Posted by: mike at February 5, 2007 11:51 AM