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Loose Change: The Documentary / Dustin Rowles

Film Reviews | May 15, 2006 | Comments (20)


First, some Pajiba history: For the handful of folks who have followed us from our genesis, you may recall that — in its original conception — this was actually both a review rag and a political website, featuring “scathing” commentary from a bent-liberal perspective. In fact, the idea for Pajiba was born out of my very own frustrations with the 2004 election, and — in my own vaingloriousness — I wanted to share with the masses what I thought was a unique perspective on “The Political Effectiveness of the George Bush Laugh,” which I’m sure got quite a chuckle from our first 17 readers. Indeed, the first film review I mustered the courage to write for Pajiba was a less-than-mediocre take on Michael Moore’s documentary Fahrenheit 9/11, taking the fat man to task for his second-rate Jon Stewart musings. For better or worse, however, we quickly learned that Jeremy’s thoughtful and intelligent reviews of summer blockbusters were landing the lion’s share of the site’s attention and that I had a reservoir of hatred, a small degree of one-trick talent, and an eagerness for excoriating bad studio films. By this time, anyway, I’d already begun developing a healthy sense of guilt for alienating my Republican friends (which led to this apologia, my final political column) and, quite frankly, a certain amount of political apathy after our guy lost in the election. So, we ultimately expurgated the political commentary on Pajiba and decided to focus our attentions on movie — and later television — reviews, which we thought were far less divisive.

We soon learned, however, that — like an unwanted erection — politics still had an ugly way of popping up in the subject matter of many of the films we chose to critique and, for whatever reason, we were often held responsible by some of our more conservative readers for the content of those films. One jackass, for instance, threatened in no uncertain terms to assassinate my dog because of the substance of Jarhead; I remember, also, that both Seth’s “The Unit” review and Dan’s assessment of the documentary Why We Fight inspired quite a bit of anti-liberal rhetoric, which is fine insofar as it attacks us for our political ideologies, but kind of silly when we start getting blamed for the content of a film. After all, we’re just reviewers, folks; if we had a talent for stringing together mindless dick-and-fart jokes aimed at 12-year-old boys, we’d probably have outrageously successful careers as screenwriters.

What I’m trying to get at here is this: We’re not responsible for the political or religious nature of the films we consider (notwithstanding the attack on the idiocy of Middle America for the cancellation of “Arrested Development,” for which the TV Whore takes full responsibility) — we are just commenting on what we usually waste our own goddamn $10 to watch. I just want to get that out there for the dog-killers of the world to consider and make it clear in front of several movies we are scheduled to review in the coming weeks, including The Da Vinci Code and two films that address the 9/11 attacks, Paul Greengrass’ United 93 and later this summer, Oliver Stone’s still untitled World Trade Center epic. Indeed, I’ve personally volunteered myself to test the effectiveness of this call-to-inaction by putting my head on a stake and reviewing one of the more high-profile conspiracy-theory documentaries on that topic, Loose Change, a film that posits that the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by an administration hellbent on manufacturing the war on terror and increasing the approval ratings of a President suffering from Cuba Gooding Jr. Syndrome (aka, “Sure. You technically won the Oscar/2000 Election, but c’mon! You were in Radio, for God’s sake.”).

From what I understand, there are actually a number of these conspiracy-theory documentaries floating around on these here Internets, but I chose to review Loose Change in large part because there is a feature-film version in the works and also because the title promised something with which I could feed the parking meters. Besides Loose Change, as it turns out, ain’t actually bad, if you’re into left-wing conspiratorial evangelism; indeed, the film actually manages to marshal enough evidence to support the filmmaker’s contentions that a few folks in New Hampshire might even be convinced to take their lady friends and climb down into their nuclear fallout shelter and wait this one out for the next couple decades.

Directed and narrated by Dylan Avery, the idea for the documentary came out of his efforts to create a fictional story imagining that the 9/11 attacks were actually orchestrated by the U.S. government; however, the more that Dylan and his buddies (Korey Rowe and Jason Bermas) researched, the more convinced they became that they were actually on to something. The film starts out promising enough, introducing a persuasive timeline of events unearthed from what looks to be public records (probably since reclassified), beginning with 1962’s proposal by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Robert McNamara to stage terrorist attacks in Guantanamo Bay, Miami, and Washington D.C. as a pretext for military intervention against Cuba (a proposal, by the by, that got the Joint Chiefs of Staff fired). From there, Avery shows us various government training materials created in the few years before 9/11 demonstrating what to do in the event of an attack on the World Trade Center or the Pentagon, and then he jumps to a now infamous 2000 report by the neocon think tank, Project for a New American Century (which included members Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz) that declared that the process to rebuild America “would be a long one, absent some new catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”

Next up: October 2000, to the first of many strange coincidences involved in 9/11 — where a Pentagon official participates in yet another exercise simulating a hijacked plane attack on the Pentagon, an official who would soon retire and later become the very American Airlines pilot operating the plane that would crash into the Pentagon on 9/11. Other bits of creepy information dug up by Avery: Attorney General John Ashcroft begins flying on only chartered flights after June 2001 because of an FBI threat assessment; Condoleezza Rice telephones San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown on September 10th to instruct him not to fly anywhere on the 11th; an incredibly large and irregular number of put options taken out on American Airlines and Boeing stock in the days before the 11th; and reports in a French newspaper that — on July 4, 2001 — Osama Bin Laden received medical attention at an American-run hospital in Dubai where he was visited by local chief of the CIA. Certainly, to followers of the 24-hour news networks, much of this information doesn’t come as a huge surprise — all of it made the news at some point in the years following 9/11, but it is slightly hair-raising to have it all laid out in front of you sequentially. It’s a bit like processing a few isolated clues that might lead you to believe your wife is cheating on you, but dismissing them outright until they are all strung together at once, which makes you kind of think, “Hmph. My wife sure likes to walk the dog and, for all the grocery-buying she does, there sure ain’t much food in the house. And hey! Why are all the buttons missing from her blouses!?”

After Avery shows us the timeline, however, the film really begins to lay on the conspiracy-theory bullshit. I’ll admit, however, that while you’re watching Loose Change, it’s all very convincing but, like much of Shyamalan’s oeuvre, once it’s over and you start thinking about it, the whole thing sort of unravels in your mind. Sure, it’s hard not to give many of Avery’s findings some merit but, then again, many conspiracy theories sound plausible until they’re put up for scrutiny, at which point some weird paranormal explanation or a Larry Miller like plotline is generally required to connect all the dots. In short, Avery presents three major theories, all of which are supported by a surprisingly large amount of evidence in the form of eyewitness testimony, scientific analysis, media reports, and video, all undoubtedly cherry-picked to focus on data most favorable to his argument.

His first theory posits that the plane that crashed into the Pentagon was not, in fact, a plane, but an air cruise missile, evidenced most convincingly by the fact that a six-ton titanium and steel Boeing airliner normally will not vaporize as it did after crashing into the Pentagon, a fact that he suggests is scientifically impossible; moreover, he finds it suspicious that the entire event was videotaped on three separate cameras (one of which was in the adjacent Sheraton Hotel), yet the FBI confiscated the video and has thus far refused to release it to the public (my own suspicion is not that the video shows a goddamn air cruise missile(!), but perhaps harried incompetence on behalf of the emergency response team, the sort of thing the Bush Administration has been wont to cover up).

Avery’s second major theory speculates that the World Trade Center towers did not actually collapse as a result of jetliners crashing into them and the subsequent fire; rather, he argues that the collapse was a pre-planned demolition (indeed, he even briefly suggests that it was cargo planes and not commercial airliners that crashed into the buildings). He’s got all kinds of crazy to support this argument, most notably uncorroborated eyewitness reports from the FDNY and the major media outlets of a “second explosion”; Avery even shows close-up footage of small blasts ignited several floors down from the fire only seconds before the building collapsed — and, honestly, it all does look and sound somewhat convincing. But, how in God’s name did the U.S. manage to get enough explosives inside the WTC buildings before 9/11 without anyone noticing? According to the documentary, there were several evacuations of the building planned ahead of the attack by the WTC’s security company, headed by George Bush’s little brother, Marvin (this detail can actually be corroborated through a simple Google search for “Marvin Bush),” which allowed the CIA to come in and plant the explosives unnoticed, an argument that is further bolstered by the fact that drug-sniffing dogs were inexplicably removed from the WTC’s security detail two weeks prior to 9/11. And, according to Avery, the existence of explosives in the WTC cannot be refuted because there was no investigation of the crash scene; indeed, the wreckage was apparently quickly removed and sent to overseas recycling plants before FEMA even got a look at it.

Finally, Avery’s last major theory, and probably the more preposterous one, is that Flight 93, which crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, didn’t actually exist. Again, he reports that there was little wreckage at the crash-scene — just a big hole in the ground with what looks like some random airplane debris lying around. And, again, he shows how unlikely it is for a plane to actually vaporize — much less, to have two planes vaporize on the same day. Indeed, Avery speculates that the plane — which was never even scheduled to fly on 9/11 — was evacuated in Cleveland that morning, the passengers were sequestered by NASA (no doubt, they were later taken to Area 51, genetically modified, and enrolled in the Witness Protection Program), and the plane was put back into service, where it remains today. As for the phone calls received from passengers on Flight 93? Faked.

Yep. Faked.

How does he know this? Well, this is where — if the scientific evidence he puts forth is true — he actually seems to have a small point, albeit far-fetched: Cell phones don’t actually normally work from 32,000 feet, so how did the passengers make the several recorded phone calls from cells that far away from a cell phone tower? Personally, I don’t know, but I suspect there is some logical explanation for it; unfortunately, my cursory attempts at research have all led me to websites sympathetic to Avery’s argument.

At any rate, Avery puts forth several other minor theories, from the ludicrous (evidence that nine of the 19 alleged hijackers are still alive) to the utterly asinine (bin Laden’s confession was actually fabricated by the United States), but sprinkles in just enough evidence to support even these contentions that your mind has to do a slight double take. Indeed, for me, the queerest piece of evidence in the whole documentary is the report that one of the WTC hijacker’s passports was found a few blocks away from the wreckage, unscathed — and yet there was little left from the plane. I don’t know the import of that detail, but then again, I thought it took two hours for someone to get a box of Kraft at Safeway.

Overall, most of what Loose Change promotes seems to ring true in the same way those theories about sock monsters leaving you with an unmatched pair seems to have some veracity, but a few hours’ reflection has a way of making it all sound kind of a bit too Scientology, if you know what I mean. Not unlike Michael Moore or most other proselytizing documentarians and their calmly delivered agitprop, Avery, unfortunately, never introduces any contrasting evidence, leaving the viewer to believe that there are only two versions of events: the government’s and his own. And while I’m all too willing to concede that the Bush Administration’s account has more plot holes than a Bruckheimer film, I’m not actually ready to believe that the loss of thousands of lives and the destruction of billions of dollars in property actually was a Bruckheimer film motivated by an elaborate insider-trading scheme or a desire to sneak off with $150 billion in gold, as Avery suggests.

Besides, if you want my unsolicited opinion, here it is: A government operation and cover-up of this magnitude would take years of planning and a helluva lot more intelligence than our current president has ever evinced. Here, Bush only had nine months in office, and the man can scarcely string a sentence together without invoking thoughts of Of Mice and Men’s mentally-challenged Lenny (“The rabbits we’re gonna get and I, I get to tend ‘em.”). Indeed, if the President was smart enough to orchestrate 9/11, you’d think he could’ve figured out how to plant a couple of goddamn nukes in Iraq, eh? Or at least he wouldn’t be dimwitted enough — when faced with an overwhelming Iraqi insurgency — to proclaim with all the misplaced gusto of a frat boy screaming racial epithets at an NAACP convention: “Bring it on.”

For those of you who want to see Loose Change, it can be downloaded here. A warning, however, that the whole documentary can be rather unsettling and upsetting — and for those who’d rather not relive the whole ordeal, I’d suggest attending Thank You for Smoking instead.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba and managing partner of its parent company, which prefers to remain anonymous for reasons pertaining to public relations. He lives in Ithaca, New York. You may email him, or leave a comment below.


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Quote fromAfter Avery shows us the timeline, however, the film really begins to lay on the conspiracy-theory bullshit. I'll admit, however, that while you're watching Loose Change, it's all very convincing but, like much of Shyamalan's oeuvre, once it's over and you start thinking about it, the whole thing sort of unravels in your mind. above article:"

I had no such problem. The facts speak for themselves and they remain there...ringing loud and clear......long after the movie ends.

Posted by: sabine at May 12, 2006 11:17 PM

Dustin: The hole in the cellphones story is twofold. First, most of the passengers used Airfones, those phones in the seatback in front of you, which absolutely do work at altitude. The relatively few calls that were made on cellphones were when the planes were at much lower levels. The hijackers descended both to reduce their visibility to radar and so they could crash the plane quickly in the event the passengers attempted to take it over--as in the case of Flight 93.

Avery reveals that he knows about the Airfones (he twice mentions them during the part where he's talking about Mark Bingham's calls to his mom), but he completely ignores them when discussing if the calls were possible. If you watch United 93, you'll see that they got that part right in the movie.

Marvin Bush? They make a big deal of him being a director of the company that provided security to the WTC, but directors are not involved in the day-to-day business of their firms. Anyway, he left the board of that company in June of 2000, which Avery even mentions but then completely ignores when discussing how Marvin Bush pulled the bomb-sniffing dogs out of the WTC on September 6, 2001. It's one of the most blatant lies in Loose Change.

Posted by: Pat Curley at May 17, 2006 9:30 PM

I too was intrigued by this documentary, but found many holes in his explanations. Along with the previous mentions of the cell phone and Marvin Bush inconsistencies, there is also the fact of the witness at Somerset. In an earlier scene of the Pentagon, Avery claims that the cars that claimed to have seen a plane pass over them at 50ft would have been blown off the road. So what happened to the woman that could see a white plane flying 40ft. over her head? Hmmmmm.....He is also very inconsistant with his explanation of the plane that hit the second world trade center. Does he think it was a cargo plane or not, because he flip-flops around the issue that he proposes. And the quote about bin Laden claiming that he would never hurt innocent people [women and children]. So if that were the case, why would we have ever thought bin Laden to be a culprit of this act. Overall, Loose Change is an inconsistant biased opinion of from a kid that knows how to effectively google to do the exact thing he is blaming the government for, mind control of the masses.

Posted by: KD at May 22, 2006 10:18 PM

Holes in the theory? Yes. Good questions asked that have no answer? Yes. Could Bush have pulled this off? No. Does Bush run this country? No. Bush only being in office for 9 months, has nothing to so with the planning stages of this. If this were true, it could have been planned years ago.

The bottom line though is, if you don't believe a government is capable of such a thing, you are living in a sheltered little world and you haven't studied your history very well. A country is formed in order to maintain power for the few by controling the many and using them as resources for continued control and more power. All of the countries in the world are in a geopolitcal struggle to maintain this control. Quite OFTEN many people must die, many lies must be told, and sometimes you must sacrafice your own in order for these few to maintain their power.

While the video could have been done much better, there are several things that ARE valid about it. It should be your duty as a citizen of the world to continue to question these events and keep an open mind to the answers you receive. Everyone's life is literally at stake if you only continue to do what your country wants you to do, which is shut up, don't ask questions, and go to work and make US more money.

Posted by: John at May 24, 2006 4:48 AM

I tend to agree with the comments that the confisciated vid tapes at the Pentagon were to cover-up incompetence. CYO exists as all-important component to any dweeb mil or corp career. It's not the meat, alas, the motion.

For entertainment purposes, I propose the Die Hard with a Vengeance conspiracy theory of WTC. That the 150 or so billion in gold was ripped-off and the whole thing was staged take attention away from the theft.

Probably the easiest part of the plan entailed finding the jackasses to kill themselves for a crackpot cause. Loose Change suggests we're all idiots who think we live in democratically-elected republic. Who'd thunk that?

Assuming Bush as low-q continues to shine as the biggest mistake made by the critics of George Bush. Au contraire, he's an intelligent "actor" who can make a certain segment of the population believe he's one of the boys... an ole trick. He can give someone on the religious right a stiffie by inference to prophecy that only they would truly want to understand.

From birth Americans receive conditioning that tells them to avoid the real nature of circumstance, preferring the pomp and the corn. It booms the economy, greases the wheels of retail and keeps the amateurs out of business and finance. So...

Die Hard and Desert Snakes on the Planes.

And... the powers-that-be will take care of it. Maybe, shoulda, coulda. Because gov. neglect and incompetence is probably the most verboten and unforgiving quality an administration can possess. It throws Mr. and Mrs. Coffee Cup down the rabbit hole, loses elections(Go Ask Carter), and angers the rubes like me.

Posted by: SalamiBoka at July 15, 2006 11:39 AM

the invasion of iraq had nothing to do with bringing justice to the iraqi people or fighting terrorism. it had everything to do with global currency warfare between the american dollar and the euro. american foriegn policy has never had any kind of humanitarian regard for the millions of citizens living in resource rich impovrished third world countrys. evidence of that can be found in every country in south america and the crimes against humanity american foriegn policy has commited its self to. more evidence can be easily found in the continent of africa. a place plunging more and more closely to irriversable damage on a catasrophic human level. we can't put that all on americas foriegn policy, accountablity can be found in europes former colonial super powers portugal, spain, italy, france, belgum, germany and the uk. but accountability should also be shared by corrupt african leaders that have been serving american interest for the last 40 years, since america became the only true ruling global super power. are these events true in loose change? im not in a position to say confidently either way. but im very confident in saying this. when your at the top of the food chain, people regardless of race, colour, creed or faith become just another number. people in third world countrys have been experiencing this for a very long time thanks in part to countrys like america. now it seems america is feeding of its own citizens.if there is ever a massive nuclear fall out, geopolitical tensions suggest that the possibility is very real. america will no doubt play the key role, its ironic to think that the only people that might survive will be the aboriginies of australia, the pigmies of central africa and the south american amazonians. "uncivilised people" as westerners like to say. we'll all have the states to thank. so before it happens im thanking them now. cheers

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Posted by: Jean at August 5, 2006 1:27 AM

I think that you had better watch this doco again. I didn't read all of your self indulgent blabbing however the part about the plane hitting the pentagon was - the ENGINES each way 6ton. Jet fuel is esentially made out of Kerosene. Titanium has a melting point of around 1300 degrees celcius. Kerosene burns at around 1100- this is however in a time frame of 40 minutes in a controlled burn. Before you go making comments maybe get your facts correct

Posted by: Niki at September 11, 2006 5:53 PM

As we all know yesterday was the 5 year anniversery of the greatest goverment cover up ever. for those of you who dont believe loose change, think its all a lie and all how did two planes just vaporize, just dissapear? do you honestly think thats possible??? closed minded robotic fucks, believing anything the goverment and the news media tells you..so sad

Posted by: brandon at September 12, 2006 9:49 AM

I may not agree with all the conspiracies theories posed by Loose Change but many questions have been asked and no satisfactory answers were offered that seem to fit. Dylan Avery and his crew may not have all the facts but that doesn't mean they aren't onto something. Building number 7 is the key because it was not hit by a plane. It came down like a controlled demolition just like the other WTC Towers. We should put more focus and interest in how that building came down. As I watched the footage of the planes crashing, the damage and impact was horrific. However, I never dreamed those buildings would totally crumble down to dust an hour later. I have to believe the architects who erected those buildings had prepared for possible airline accidents when designing buildings of such heights. Using the very best construction materials available. Most of the wreckage was cleaned up very fast without preserving vital evidence for a crime scene investigation. Similarly, the crime scene evidence was cleaned up very quickly at the Pentagon. I think that huge pieces of the plane would have been found along with luggage, blood and other body parts to positively identify each of the passengers and terrorist. We have better technologies in use today to solve everyday murder cases. Why aren't these same technologies used in larger scale attacks to catch the criminals? What happened to all to evidence to support a series of attacks by Hussien, Bin Laden, Al Quada or someone else? Collectively, we blamed Hussien and Bin Laden but no one really knows who is responsible. We just echo what our leaders and media have told us. Most of us supported our President when he called for war. Acting on our emotional responses without using critical, rational thought. We even invaded Iraq because of Weapons Of Mass Destruction that didn't exist. No one wants to believe that anyone in the good 'ole U.S.A. had any foreknowledge or could have prevented these attacks. The implication is too horrible for us to easily digest or to even consider. It's far easier and more convenient to believe that an outside force attacked us. Is it possible that the greatest nation in the world, with greatest military force on Earth could pull off something like this? It's more soothing for our consciousness to believe that a small band of camel jockeys with limited resources, from a third world country, orchestrated these attacks. Not one of our military jets were available to shoot down any of the hijacked planes before the impacts. Why do we have a Navy and an Air Force who can not protect our airspace? What was wrong with communications and the chain of command? Meanwhile, our President had the perfect aliby to insure he had no knowledge of the events as they unfolded that day. He was conveniently reading stories to children in Florida for his photo op. I'm not saying that it didn't happen as presented but that there are serious questions without any reasonable explainations. Some things may seem faulty and some things seem to fall into place too perfecty for all the coincidences that occurred that day. Are we all expectected to be mindless sheep who just blindly accept all the explainations given to us by our leaders and media sources? Or, are we still a free nation with a right to ask tough questions and demand satisfactory answers? People on our own soil died that day... Afterward, our soldiers were sent to die in Iraq. We should at least know what they are all dying for.

Posted by: Jeff at September 21, 2006 12:12 PM

Watch the movie before you dismiss Loose Change for making some valid points. Bush is not a smart president in my opinion but that doesn't mean he doesn't have smart people working with him. The planning for the 9/11 attacks could have started when his father Bush Sr. was serving a full term as president. Prior to that Bush Sr. was in charge of the C.I.A. and knows how to sway public opinion to suit his causes. It's no coincidence that we went to war with Iraq twice. Both times a Bush was our elected as president. I think we would have went to war by any means necessary. It would take an attack similar to Pearl Harbor to rally Americans to support that cause.

Posted by: Angela at September 22, 2006 3:41 PM

for those of you who still think that Loose change is a godsend and dylan avery is the revealer of the greatst truth in the world, have you read any of the sights designed to counter films like loosechange?

Go to www.loosechangeguide.com, and read it all, then tell me that planes can't disentegrate, that there were no airplane parts found in pennsylvania or at the pentagon, or that when someone hears something that sounds like a bomb going off it automatically means that a bomb did go off.

Also, Popularmechanics wrote a good article discussing the theories as well, and they use actual science to disprove them. Don"t mention that to a theorist though, because the editor of popular mechanics is a distant relative to the bush admin., and is therefore untrustworthy.

Please. If it is so hard to believe that a bunch of "camel jockies" living in caves puled this off, then how come the same camel jockies living in caves were responsible for every other terrorist attack in the last 20 years, including the first WTC attack in the early 90's?

Posted by: fozzy da bear at September 24, 2006 7:58 AM

More and more video evidence is surfacing everyday to support many of the claims presented by Loose Change. Newer films of better quality are now available to watch online for free. However Avery, Rowe and Burmas should get full credit for breaking this story first and presenting it to the American Citizens.

It amazes me how so many people are still walking around in a state of denial. Hear no evil, speak no evil and see no evil. Some will deny basic physics that they learned in junior high school. Some will deny the sounds of additional bombs exploding. Some will deny the movie footage that they can see with their own two eyes. Some will ignor the testimony of witnesses that where present that day. Some will ignor the scientist who have made investigations and even the testimony from contractors who erected the WTC. Some will offer explainations that commercial airplanes tent to vaporize without any traces upon impact. Some will say, "Steel buildings fall down from fires." Even though, it's never happened before or since. Oxygen starved fires don't get hot enough to melt steel. Some people still believe there are terrorist, living in the batcave and plotting to take us down. We know they are out there because we have the best intelligence sources in the world telling us all the facts. We also have the greatest military force in the world. Yet, we still can not capture all these elusive terrorist. Some will even make up counter arguments to protect the wrong people from being exposed. What will it take for these people to wake up???...

There are people who will easily dismiss Loose Change and other films because it's just a conspiracy theory. Implying that the information is solely based on theory with no facts to support it. For the benefit of the families and friends who lost their loved ones, you can take the time to see it. Or, you can choose from a wide selection of other films that offer the evidence you need to see. What will it hurt you now to make a better informed decision about what happened that day? The damage has already been done. Are you still afraid the truth will influence your belief system? The evidence is out there but the mass consciousness is persuaded by fear based emotions and probably not ready to see the truth. It will take a big change of this public mindset to bring the real threats to our country to justice. Hope it happens soon before we start World War Three.

Posted by: Billy at September 29, 2006 4:49 PM

If you guys want to see a real video with real facts about the history of government sponsored terror, check out Terrorstorm by Alex Jones. It covers a brief history of admitted cases of western governments staging terrorist attacks , 9/11, 7/7, info on NSA spying on the American people, Pentagon fake paid news, the Iraq war etc. Has interviews with former 27 year veteran CIA analyst Ray McGovern, former British inteligence officers (MI5), and former member of both the Bush administration and Tony Blairs parlament...all exposing 9/11 as an inside job.

This documentary is a bombshell. Wait untill you see this, OMG! I gaurentee, it will knock your socks off!

See the documentary they dont want you to see!

Move over Loosechange,

Terrorstorm:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm

Posted by: Person at October 21, 2006 1:47 AM

Cheney has run the Republicans for decades.
The military/industrial complex uses the
Republicans to loot the treasury of its citizen
tax dollars into private defense/arms corporations. Thats why we have 100 billion dollar satellites but no fucking $1000 dollar body armor or hum-vee plates for the troops. Because its not about the troops, DUH!!
God i hate republicans, but I hate the military/industrial/cia complex even more. They are the true evil.

Posted by: Dave at March 10, 2007 11:16 PM

heres a couple things to help
1) the only thing preventing the tapes of the pentagon and sheraton hotel being released is not the Government per say, its actually a legal issue, that according to the law they arent allowed to release those.
2) cell phone calls can still be made at 32 thousand feet. granted its a very weak signal, but according to the transcripts of the calls, they were being dropped and fading out like crazy.
3)there was a comedy site out not too long ago about this, but it raised a valid point. THe fact that dylan avery is still alive proves loose change is false altogether. If the government has no qualms about killing thousands of people, and staging these terrorist attacks, it would have no qualms about killing a college kid and his friends.
4) steel melts at rougly 1200 degrees, and the jet fuel only burns at about 845 degrees roughly. the real truth though is, that steel loses starts to weaken at roughly 600 degrees, or exactly half. if you add in the fact that the steel was burning in those temperatures for 15-20 minutes, it was weakened alot.
5) according to loose change, a missile hit the pentagon, but zig zagged across two major highways to knock down lamp posts and a generater that wasnt shown in loose change. Its impossible
6) WTC7 was in fact hit by flaming debris, and loose change tended to not show that side of the building.
7) the funniest of them all is that LOOSE CHANGE USED THE WRONG PHOTO when talking about the pentagon crash. they used a video from about 100 yards to the right, that completely covered up the MASSIVE GAPING HOLE. my friends work in teh pentago, and both of their offices got taken out, and the planes never got vaporized, they are still clearing debris out
8) i live in Johnstown Pa, rite near shanksville, and i both saw and heard the jet go over, and helped out at the scene, and there was debris for miles


all this "documentary" proves is that anyone can make up bullshit, put it on teh internet, and have a cult following by the people that think they are non conforming by conforming to another way of life. calling people who think logically "closed minded robotic fucks" just means your close minded to science and actual evidence.

Posted by: reuben at April 13, 2007 12:07 AM

I'm not much of a theorist *most of the time* but I have known for many years that something has been wrong with this country... I'm white, middle class, just an average white collar working male, if I can see that something is wrong then I would expect that everyone else can as well.

Remember the look on George Bush's face that day, he was reading a book to a class of very young kids. If you have footage you should look at it and try to imagine yourself reacting the way he did.

I would like to take this moment to describe poker because I have noticed that there are alot of people posting on here which for a lack of a better way to put it, are very close minded so I want to make sure I get my point across as clearly as possible. In poker you can play entirely by the rules of the game... the way a computer would play, or what really makes it fun is reading other people and their reactions during the game to determine if they are bluffing or not (this is where the big money is at). People aren't that different psycologically which is why therapists have a job. There are things which people do, and ways which we act which can be studied, documented, and learned from because they are constants.

Now to get back to my original point, when Bush was pulled aside and given the incredible news he didn't make a facial reaction whatsoever, he just sat down and continued reading to the class of young children... why would he do that? What would you do if you were in his shoes? What does that remind you of??? If you guessed poker face you would be absolutely correct! An honest president in his position would have informed the teacher that something urgent has come up and he must leave to resume his responsibilities as president of the United States of America (not a guest speaker). He sat there however because he didn't know how to act without screwing up his poker hand and letting everyone know the secret behind his game.

I admit that there were *very* small discrepencies in Mr. Avery's film and you have to take those for what they are and determine if the size and amount of discrepencies out weigh the truth. In my opinion this is one of the most factual conspiracy theories I have ever viewed. Avory went about trying to answer every possible question by using the scientific process. Michael Moore isn't comparable, I have only watched one of Michael Moore's films and I wouldn't give him the time of day if I saw him on the street.

In conclusion I believe what this country really needs is best stated below. This is quoted information, I do not accept the comments below to be my own but I felt that the quote best demostrated the point that I am trying to get across.

"The Declaration of Independence can be divided into four main parts. The first part is an introduction that states the purpose of the document, which was to explain why the American people were declaring independence from the government of Great Britain.
The second part is a theory of good government and individual rights generally accepted by Americans from the 1770s until today. In this theory, all individuals are equal in their possession of certain immutable rights. These rights are not granted by the government. Rather, they are inherent to human nature. Therefore, the first purpose of a good government is to secure or protect these rights. Further, a good government is based on the consent of the governed -- the people -- who are the sole source of the government's authority. If their government persistently violates this theory of good government, then the people have the right to overthrow it..."

Posted by: Euphoric at July 19, 2007 4:08 PM