ingbasterds.jpg
Stuck in the Middle


Inglourious Basterds / Daniel Carlson

Film Reviews | March 6, 2010 | Comments (110)


Quentin Tarantino’s Inglourious Basterds starts before the movie even begins. To explain: The Universal logo attached to the front of the film isn’t the one currently used, with the camera pulling back from a crisp CG-rendered Earth as the company’s three-dimensional letters come sliding around to rest between the planet and the viewer. No, it’s the older one that ran through most of the 1970s and 1980s. The ostensible goal is to kind of get a leg up on creating an atmosphere for the film, a practice that’s not inherently bad but has become so through Tarantino’s repeated (mis-)use. His Death Proof, just to name one other, used similar tricks, and that’s what this ultimately is: A trick, a gimmick, a means of perpetrating a vibe without actually having to create it via story or character or plain old filmmaking. Doing it once is cute, but doing it over and over means the device is a crutch, a symbol that as a writer and director Tarantino has not one iota of desire to progress, either visually or chronologically. He’s a talented storyteller who’s still capable of creating moments of wonderful suspense or drama, whether over a film as a whole or within one of the interstitial anecdotes he so clearly adores. And there wouldn’t be a problem if all he wanted to do were churn out talky, hyper-violent action flicks every few years. But the seriousness with which Tarantino attends his endeavors and hopes for their respect — his production company, A Band Apart, is a play on Godard’s Bande a part, for crying out loud — means that it’s not enough to simply write him off as a graphic and mostly fun filmmaker. Not only is it a disservice to his films, but he obviously doesn’t want it. And so, instead of being a vaguely intellectual and often cutesy action movie, Inglourious Basterds must be seen for what it is: The demand of a troubled auteur to be taken seriously when his movies are anything but. As such, the film increasingly squanders the goodwill it periodically builds up by dropping all pretense and reveling in its own squalid existence. It’s sporadically exciting, intermittently breathtaking, and ultimately not unlike watching a syndicated rerun of a long-dead sitcom: The content is new, but the air is stale.

The film opens in Nazi-occupied France in 1941. (The narrative is split into five chapters, but they’re closely related and unspool in a linear enough fashion that the structure is closer to Kill Bill than the interlocking vignettes of Pulp Fiction.) The first chapter highlights Tarantino’s skill at short-form storytelling, with its brief but detailed introduction of a farmer and his daughters as they’re visited by Col. Hans Landa (Christoph Waltz) of the SS, a man nicknamed “the Jew Hunter” who’s come by to see if the farmer is hiding “enemies of the state.” The sequence is taut and lean, driven by an intrinsically tense plot and the bravura performance of Waltz, who manages to inhabit some deadly gray area between charming and calculating. As Landa interrogates the farmer, Tarantino keeps the compositions neatly focused on the men, often letting a profiled two-shot linger uncomfortably. When it comes to creating these minor moments between characters, almost like powerful short stories, Tarantino’s still got chops. But once the larger narrative begins, the film starts to wander.

Shifting to a group of American hunters, Tarantino introduces the Basterds, a squad of Jewish soldiers under the command of Lt. Aldo Raine (Brad Pitt), a native of Tennessee with a scarred neck and penchant for brutally killing Nazis. He instructs his men that they’ll be dropped into France and executing guerilla warfare against the Germans, adding that each of them owes Aldo a total of 100 Nazi scalps just to be in the group. The film’s second chapter deals with a cursory history of the Basterds, though how they got their name and its peculiar spelling is, like the scars on Aldo’s neck, left to the viewer’s imagination. It’s in this section that Tarantino also ups the violence from your basic wartime slaughter to deeply disturbing moments like an SS officer being clubbed to death with a Louisville Slugger or Aldo’s habit of carving a swastika in the forehead of any Nazi soldier he decides to let live, so that word might spread of the Basterds and their merciless ways. It also here can’t be overlooked that one of the few Basterds with a speaking role, Sgt. Donny Donowitz, is played by Eli Roth, a writer-director and friend to Tarantino. Roth, whose credits include Cabin Fever and the Hostel films as well as an unsettling faux-trailer for the fictional Thanksgiving — and whose cinematic misogyny and basic fear of the female reproductive organ would take way too long to get into — is not a filmmaker given to subtlety or nuance. His work is bloody for the sake of it, no matter how many flimsy critiques of American capitalism or the Bush administration are forcibly projected onto his movies. He’s all about violence as an end in itself, and he’s the one cast as the Basterds’ vicious killer. His overacting aside, Tarantino’s decision to let such a role rest on Roth’s shoulders reflects the director’s true desires: This film is just going to be about the body count, no matter how slick the final product or how much it clearly begs to be considered as more. Tarantino’s pretty much remade Rambo III with more money.

The rest of the film scoots forward to 1944 and concerns a plot to kill ranking members of the Nazi party when they’re gathered in Paris for a premiere of Joseph Goebbels’ latest propaganda film, Nation’s Pride, a story of a German sniper killing 300 enemy soldiers over the course of three days. (The film within a film was directed by Roth, whose lack of finesse is oddly suited to such storytelling. Even weirder is that he’s Jewish, and starring in the larger film and directing the smaller one must have been uncomfortable.) The Basterds need the help of Bridget von Hammersmark (Diane Kruger), a German actress doing double duty as a British spy, to infiltrate the premiere, but the gala opening is also the focus of a plot by the theater’s owner (Melanie Laurent), who has reasons of her own for hating the Nazis (besides the obvious).

As the leader of the Basterds, Pitt is a charming and vicious leader, as well as one of the only soldiers who actually gets to talk during the film. Co-star B.J. Novak is graced with the opportunity to utter a few lines toward the end; Samm Levine, if I’m not mistaken, didn’t say a single word. On one hand, you have to admire Tarantino’s unwillingness to pretend he wants these characters to do anything other than kill Germans; they don’t speak, sweat, sleep, eat, or do anything besides stand in frame holding machine guns. On the other, it’s foolishness to take him at his word that these characters are capable of happiness or sorrow or anything resembling human emotion when we never get to see it. And with no emotional anchors, how can the carnage be anything but meaningless?

The other performers are scattered along the spectrum — Mike Myers’ appearance as a British officer is so laughably bizarre that any semblance of story goes out the window — with Laurent and Waltz the most engaging. She’s frightened and hardened, a woman reaching her breaking point when it comes to tolerating Nazi rule, and Waltz is mesmerizing as the hound charged with hunting innocent civilians. He’s neither the cartoonish Nazi of Indiana Jones stories nor a wrongly sympathetic figure. He’s brash and cruel and pompous and above all motivated by self-preservation. Every moment he’s on screen is a compelling one.

If only that could be said for the film as a whole. Tarantino almost gets into interesting territory by focusing on the nicknames and myths that precede the heroes and villains into battle, with word of mouth passing for gospel among men on the ground. Indeed, as Landa says to the farmer, “Facts can be so misleading, but rumors, true or false, can be so revealing.” There are echoes here of Tarantino’s other characters — hit men, heist men, snake-wielding ninjas — who rely as much on the threat of their presence as the deadly resolve that backs it up. But Tarantino’s too busy being Tarantino to meditate on any in-universe similarities among his films or to let the subtext do the work. He’s distracted by his own stylistic lack of style, throwing every old Ennio Morricone music cue he can into the film, along with a mix of typefaces and cuts that show just how much Tarantino knows but how unwilling he is to pick and choose from his growing arsenal of film tricks and tell a good story. The very title of the film is also telling: It’s inspired by the 1978 Italian film The Inglorious Bastards, though the films’ plots are different and there’s no reason for Tarantino to use the tweaked title except to show that he’s seen the older movie. It’s like his increasing callousness with human life: At times he wants us to laugh or jump at an exploding head, and at others to be shocked at the brutal killing of an innocent. Worst is when these two get somehow combined, as when a major character is gunned down to a horribly overdone music cue that’s more about Tarantino’s desire to remanufacture the schlock of his youth than anything else. He’s smarter than this, and he can’t go on like he is forever. Even run-of-the-mill action movies, killing a good guy or a bad one, move the viewer toward a realistic emotional response (sorrow or relief, typically). But Tarantino aims for ironic distance. He’s aging backward, more and more content to lure audiences in and then just keep repackaging stuff that was old the first time he repackaged it. To paraphrase one of the characters after an ambush, Tarantino’s film is either a trap or a tragic happening. Not both.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


Up in the Air Review | Up Review







Comments

I saw the movie today and found it to be better than I expected, after Death Proof. Despite the (surprisingly few) uber-carnage scenes, it felt like a solidly put together fun-yet-serious film. Pitt was basically comic relief, allowing the "jew hunter" and the "theater owner" to plant the movie's actual drama. I laughed out loud a bunch, cringed in a fun-movietheater-way a few times, and walked out with a smile. Not sure what else to say about it.

Cue the "are you new here?" responses, but I feel like this is more of a review of the director than the film itself. If you think he is a douche, spend a paragraph in the beginning and then let it go. I'm not really defending him (I didn't like Death Proof at all), I just think you have to somehow divorce a piece of work from its maker, otherwise you're going to miss out on a bunch of good stuff. For example, I think Orson Scott Card is a complete tool, but I feel bad for people that would avoid Ender's Game because of it.

Were you really that turned off by the (minor) Tarantinoisms of this flick that you couldn't write about anything else?

Posted by: joe at August 21, 2009 8:20 PM

I think Samm Levine has one line, leaning over to the two german prisoners and saying something along the lines of "that's gonna happen to you next", but you can barely hear it over eli roth going buckwild on the officer with his bat.

I think I liked it slightly more than you, but only slightly. I thought Waltz was brilliant, and I enjoyed myself in 70-80 percent of the film, but I wouldn't ever say it's "great." The first chapter was the best.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at August 21, 2009 8:28 PM

I think it says a lot that the final line was Aldo saying "I think I've finally made my masterpiece." You can just hear Quentin giggling to himself about how great this all was.
That said, I really wish they could've explored more of the Basterds' backstories. How'd a little squirrelly guy like B.J. Novak get in there? I am really hoping to see some deleted scenes.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 21, 2009 8:38 PM

Yanno, I almost always enjoy Tarantino films as I'm watching them. But then I leave and I realize that, generally, his films would be much better if they were made by someone else.

Posted by: lizzieborden at August 21, 2009 8:43 PM

joe
You want a review of Tarantino go check out Drew's shit, he's doing a whole series on the guy. This is a movie review. From the characters that are good, to those that aren't. From the elements of the plot that work, to those that don't. He even goes down to the choice of music, and yes, by revealing stylistic elements the "director" uses, he is also telling us what moments of the movie he didn't like because of the style.

Thanks for the review, you only confirmed what I suspected. The movie was a lot of hype and a big let down. Now I won't have to pay money to see it in theatres, I'll just wait till the DVD bootleg hits online.

Posted by: Deistbrawler at August 21, 2009 8:44 PM

Tarantino's not a good film maker. Though he captured lightning in a bottle once years ago, expecting him to do it again is foolish. The reason his work is devolving is due to his ego's been overinflated into making him think he's a film genius when in fact he's nothing but a thief.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 21, 2009 8:47 PM

You want a review of Tarantino go check out Drew's shit

I don't think that's what he meant.

Posted by: Jay at August 21, 2009 8:53 PM

I've read enough positive reviews to check this one out now. It's at 89% on Rotten Tomatoes so SOMEONE certainly likes it. I'm pretty surprised actually, I though it looked less than intriguing from the previews but it at least seems to be about more than Nazee huntin'.

Posted by: TylerDFC at August 21, 2009 8:56 PM

I saw Tarantino being interviewed about this the other day. All I was left with was the impression that he is a massively self-absorbed twat with an over inflated sense of his own importance and genious. I couldn't work out how the interviewer got through without slapping him. Until I realised that the interviewer also has a healthy dose of ego and they probably got on famously.

I'm still intrigued by this movie, though, and my only qualm is that I don't cope very well with violence. I'm still making up my mind as to whether I'll see it.

Posted by: redfeathers at August 21, 2009 9:21 PM

Gotta admit, I whooped it up when I watched this movie. I found it utterly enjoyable, especially when it was being ridiculous. Christoph Waltz was unbelievable - he almost walked away with the movie. Every moment that he wasn't on screen, I found myself looking for him.

Posted by: Ginger at August 21, 2009 9:34 PM

Even if you hate Tarintino, and think he's a massive douchester, I think it's impor- tant to remember that we all knew this would be a stupid movie from the start, what matters is weather or not it's entertaining.

I haven't seen the film yet, and though I know Tarantino's ego is massive enough to create a black hole, this movie couldn't have been as bad as you said it was. I felt this was just one big "fuck Tarintino" rant, and I wouldn't be surprised if you wrote half of this review before you even saw the movie.

Posted by: George at August 21, 2009 9:46 PM

"I felt this was just one big "fuck Tarintino" rant, and I wouldn't be surprised if you wrote half of this review before you even saw the movie."

Really, George? What about Dan's past writing would POSSIBLY give you that idiotic idea? It was an insightful opinion that, and I find it incredibly ironic that you would write that pointless comment... before you saw the movie.

Seriously, just TRY to think before you comment. See what happens.

Posted by: Skewicide Blonde at August 21, 2009 9:54 PM

Posted by: George at August 21, 2009 9:46 PM

I haven't seen read the film review yet, and though I know Tarantino's George's ego is massive enough to create a black hole, this movie review couldn't have been as bad as you said it was. I felt this was just one big "fuck Tarintino Dan Carlson" rant, and I wouldn't be surprised if you wrote half of this review comment before you even saw read the movie review.

Posted by: branded at August 21, 2009 10:04 PM

Meh, saw it last night, loved it. It had its flaws, but damn if it wasn't entertaining!

Waltz sure was amazing..

Posted by: poptartlr at August 21, 2009 10:05 PM

Okay, I was pretty brutal, and the truth is, I don't care if you've already formed an opinion if you're not going to even see a real movie, (like with Twilight) but Tarin- tino, despite being a douche, is at least an actual film maker. A film about Nazi killing couldn't be as unentertaining as you made it out to be.

Posted by: George at August 21, 2009 10:08 PM

*Lights Torch*
It's too late now, Georgie-Boy! Get him!
*Grabs pitchfork*

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 21, 2009 10:13 PM

"Get him? That's your plan? Get him?"

Posted by: slower lower at August 21, 2009 10:18 PM

Well....ain't the piss flyin everywhere!

Posted by: Jay at August 21, 2009 10:19 PM

Though Dan's seen it, at least. I'm usually more disappointed in people who take reviews as the truth, not opinion, and decide then and there.

Posted by: Jay at August 21, 2009 10:22 PM

Denby and Carlson say no.

That's it, I'm out.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at August 21, 2009 10:30 PM

Sheep.

Posted by: Jay at August 21, 2009 10:33 PM

Has anyone actually ever seen a Tarantino film?

Why oh why would anyone EVER (in the history of ever) walk into a darkened, super cooled theatre, floor sucking at your feet, the smell of popcorn and stale sodas lingering in the air, sniffles snickers and breath sounds of the masses accompanying your progress to whatever inevitably squeaky seat deemed worthy of the company of your ass for a couple of hours and think, even for a moment, "This is going to be a piece de resistance in the genre of World War II movies. I am going to be touched and learn so much. I am going to empathize and cry and become outraged at the crimes against humanity visited upon the poor people of Europe by the German regime of the time..." with Quentin-fucking-Tarantino on the marquis?

I STILL want to see this film and here's why: Ordinarily I am not allowed to watch WWII movies. I get angry and worked up and basically just impossible to live with for a distinct, if limited, period of time. Not that I miss the genre - overall it tends to be dark and depressing. With good reason of course, but still...

THIS, my friends, I fully intend to enjoy for all the ridiculous quotes and general absurdity that Tarantino offers, all surrounded by the bloody mess that accompanies any of his films I have ever had the pleasure of experiencing. I plan on it being completely pointless and totally entertaining!

Just remember - as a public service annoucement if nothing else - that Tarantino is NOT, nor will he ever be, nor SHOULD he ever STRIVE to be, a Coppola or Scorsese or Howard or any of the others... And I, for one, thank Jeebus for that!

Nighty night, darlings. *kisses*

Posted by: bjugg at August 21, 2009 11:17 PM

Just remember - as a public service annoucement if nothing else - that Tarantino is NOT, nor will he ever be, nor SHOULD he ever STRIVE to be, a Coppola or Scorsese or Howard or any of the others... And I, for one, thank Jeebus for that!

But I think he honestly strives to; and believes he is. That, dear freind, may be the problem. While I have not seen the movie (and due to Dan's review I may wait for DVD) this sentence really hits home for me:

(The narrative is split into five chapters, but they’re closely related and unspool in a linear enough fashion that the structure is closer to Kill Bill than the interlocking vignettes of Pulp Fiction.)

I generally enjoy Tarantino's movies. But, it seems to me, you can only compare Tarantino movies to other Tarantino movies. While with other directors you can definately draw comparisons to their peers (Coppola to Scorsese or Cameron to Bay)

When you go to a Tarantino movie you know you're going to get a Tarantino movie; and that's fine. But I want Pulp Fiction, not Death Proof.

Dude seems to believe in his own legend.

Posted by: admin at August 22, 2009 12:03 AM

Just got back and although Tarantino needs a good editor, it was such a fun movie. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Also my theatre in MS was sold out and the audience cheered at the end, this movie is going to make plenty of cash. I give it a solid 8, cause even though you could have taken out 30 minutes of the movie, those 30 minutes aren't completely useless (unlike Death Proof) they do add tension and apprehension. I dug it.

Posted by: Mebe at August 22, 2009 12:15 AM

Well said, admin, well said.

How can you even pretend to call Tarantino a real artist with a purpose (beyond idiocy) when he has freakin' Eli Roth as one of his leads? That casting choice alone speaks volumes.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 22, 2009 12:22 AM

I feel like this review might be taking Tarantino too seriously - yes, Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs were masterpieces, but from Kill Bill on he's pretty much just been having fun. This isn't There Will Be Blood, it's a summer blockbuster.

Posted by: RWC at August 22, 2009 12:37 AM

Just got back from the theater myself. I'm not a violence lover, but I'd read enough good stuff about this to know I'd want to see it. I'll admit to having covered my eyes many a time. What surprised me were the good parts - Christoph Waltz was off the charts fantastic in every way. The man had me alternately terrified and laughing. I also thought Melanie Laurent quite good.
The drawn out scenes of tension in the bar and in the restaurant had my heart pounding.
But the whole shitfest scene that included Mike Myers should have been edited out. And the film could have been just as good if not better with less bloodshed, but I guess then it wouldn't have been a Tarantino film.
Brad Pitt was funny at times, though I'm starting to have a hard time with him taking me out of the movie. I could have done with a good no name actor.
I found Shosanna's laughter incongruent with the character.

Overall, I'm not sorry I saw it. Waltz's performance alone likely made it worth it.

Posted by: Cindy at August 22, 2009 1:07 AM

Jesus Christ, if I wanted to read a bitter anti-Tarantino rant (and anyone who thinks the above is otherwise should do a word count for "Tarantino") and not an actual movie review I`d ... wait, I`d go to Pajiba!

Posted by: dan at August 22, 2009 1:47 AM

Agreed about the shit scene with Mike Myers, that was the only place in the movie that lost my interest. Had it been Eddie Izzard and not Myers, that scene would have been fine.

I liked the bloodshed, I expected it, and even though I was squeamish and covered my eyes a few times, I dug how absolutely brutal it was. I don't like torture porn but it's a war movie and I think that is the one place where such violence is warranted.

I thought Brad Pitt was funny, a bit to smug a few times but still good. You couldn't take you eyes off him and couldn't help wanting him to keep talking just so you could laugh more.

Waltz was great and terrifying, he and Laurent are the 2 from this movie that will get Oscar nods. Laurent's laughing felt fine to me, a fucked up situation sometimes brings out a fucked up response. But then again I get laughing fits in the worst moments, so I guess that's why it didn't bother me. Her two breakdowns were amazing BTW.

What did you guys think about the mixed genres? Here it was more startling than Tarantino's other stuff but instead of taking me out of the moment, I thought it made the movie more fun.

I even liked the Bowie bit, made it like a music video but in a good way, come on "everybody loves a montage!"

Posted by: Mebe at August 22, 2009 1:52 AM

Had it been Eddie Izzard and not Myers, that scene would have been fine.

Then the movie would have been Glorious Basterds.

Posted by: mswas at August 22, 2009 2:12 AM

I missed about half the subtitles in Laurent's scene with Waltz because I thought, "holy shit this girl looks just like Starbuck! What was her name? Kara Thrace. No, that was the character's name, what's the actor's name?" By the time I got Katee Sackhoff, the scene was over. But I got the gist of it.

Awesome movie, gonna see it again tomorrow with friends.

Posted by: Melanie at August 22, 2009 2:18 AM

Eddie is glorious!

I thought that the whole movie literally played out like a fantasy, which I wasn't really expecting. When I heard Pitt and Tarantino describe it that way, I wasn't really expecting to play out that way but it does. For some reason looking at it through that lens makes the movie much more fun.

Posted by: Mebe at August 22, 2009 2:20 AM

What gives with resurgence of 'douche/douchebag'? It's practically de rigeur on this site.

Posted by: terriblyVexed at August 22, 2009 2:23 AM

OK, short notes as I'm still processing the film:

Overall, I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would. It's not "Jackie Brown" and it's not "Death Proof," it's closer to "Kill Bill" but I probably would say I enjoyed this one more because it's kept short and I actually cared a great deal about some of the characters, particularly Archie Hicox (Michael Fassbender) and especially Shosanna Dreyfus (Mélanie Laurent).

Christoph Waltz'z Col. Landa is getting a lot of attention and he's good, but he's basically playing Christopher Walken in "True Romance," spread out over two and a half hours. Yet, there's something riveting about Laurent's character and her facial expressions, particularly in my favorite scene in the film where she dines with Landa (who kills her family at the beginning of the film).

Yes, the film is far from perfect. Tarantino's use of chapters and a narrator (Samuel L. Jackson) seemed unnecessary. The film has some shaggy bits that probably could have been cut. Also, Tarantino seems to be playing some of his same hands (Landa=Walken in "True Romance," the plight of an SS soldier mirrors that of the Bride in "Kill Bill," and even Dreyfus' character seems Bridesque). Yet, in the end, I appreciate the fact that Tarantino was able to indulge his preoccupations, which can be intoxicating, while allowing us to feel something for his characters.

As you might have surmised from my description, fans hoping for a lot of the Basterds or Brad Pitt will be disappointed. While this may look like "The Dirty Dozen," this is really the story of a Jewish woman in hiding, taking her revenge on the Nazis that killed her family by using the movies to do so.

Tarantino hasn't gone back to the maturity of "Jackie Brown" but he hasn't abandoned making us empathetic for the events on the screen (as in "Death Proof").

I'll probably have more to say tomorrow or after I view the film again next week.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 22, 2009 2:33 AM

The film’s second chapter deals with a cursory history of the Basterds, though how they got their name and its peculiar spelling is, like the scars on Aldo’s neck, left to the viewer’s imagination.

Um, you stated that Pitt's character hails from Tennessee.

Regarding the spelling, enough said about that.

As to the scars on his neck, perhaps he stuck his head in the threshing machine to see how it works. It would explain a great many things.

Posted by: The Wanderer at August 22, 2009 2:46 AM

You know what? The more I think about this movie, the better it gets.

Posted by: Mebe at August 22, 2009 4:44 AM

i wanted to think there was some sort of "fourth wall" thing happening at the end, where you were the audience watching the movie about making horrific and merciless murder incredibly comical, and right then as you are persuaded, yes this is all really funny, and right after hans has a swastika carved in his forehead, QT cuts to a first person shot revealing it's us he's cut and us that should be fucking ashamed to find this mindless gore porn so utterly fucking hilarious...

but no this movie for all it's incredible nuggets, just left me more or less disgusted and disturbed. i seriously doubt QT is capable of anything actually thoughtful or introspective (he's from LA, how is that surprising).

but seriously, how ironic is a nazi movie where we laugh at murder that's often on a deeper level morally conflicted (the guy with the son)? how does this show so well that we've actually learned so little?

maybe it's because it shows QT appealing to the lowest, this is our cinema not as a place like a theater but a Colosseum. let the heads roll...

:(

tragic.

Posted by: ryan b at August 22, 2009 6:36 AM

THIS, my friends, I fully intend to enjoy for all the ridiculous quotes and general absurdity that Tarantino offers, all surrounded by the bloody mess that accompanies any of his films I have ever had the pleasure of experiencing. I plan on it being completely pointless and totally entertaining!

Well said, bjugg - and same here.

Posted by: Thijs at August 22, 2009 6:39 AM

Gotta jump in to say that it almost seems like this review is overly critical because it's a Quentin Tarantino movie rather than being overly critical of a Quentin Tarantino movie. Hell, Daniel almost says as much in the first paragraph:

"And so, instead of being a vaguely intellectual and often cutesy action movie, Inglourious Basterds must be seen for what it is: The demand of a troubled auteur to be taken seriously when his movies are anything but."

Really? It must? Does the fact that the director is a giant tool with delusions of granduer stop the film from being 'exciting', 'breath-taking' and render the other positive snippets scattered throughout the review untrue? Maybe so - I haven't seen the film yet, so I can't judge - but it does seem that Daniel's view of the film is more harsh than it would otherwise be because he percieves Tarantino as would-be auteur, and is judging him for failing in that pursuit, rather than judging the particular failings of the movie.

Hell, when a movie review uses half a paragraph to trash Eli Roth, then draw the conclusion that Tarantino casting him somehow 'reflects [his] true desires' to copy Roth's film-making style, it's clearly stopped being about whether the movie was entertaining or not. A lot of this review seems, to use a soccer metaphor, to be playing the man rather than the ball.

Posted by: Shay at August 22, 2009 7:24 AM

I don't like the review, I think he didn't get it.

Also Ryan Tarantino is not from LA, he is from Tennessee.

Posted by: Mebe at August 22, 2009 7:43 AM

saw the movie last night.
loved it.
the main players are all very good in it - that first chapter is perfect - and overall, its much better than i could have hoped.
the entertaining parts were entertaining, the thought provoking scenes were just that.
there was less violence than i thought there would be which was a good thing - what was in there was pretty tough - at least for me.

Posted by: skott at August 22, 2009 8:19 AM

This is a brilliant and thoughtful review, Dan. As for the comments to the effect that the film is entertaining, if stupid: I don't understand how Tarantino is allowed to fit his entertainment of violence in a real, historical and very sensitive time, and get away with this idea of providing entertainment. Nazis aren't zombies; World War II isn't Mordor - this is important.

Posted by: Caspar at August 22, 2009 8:34 AM

Deistbrawler
How is it that you can call this movie "a lot of hype and a big letdown" if you haven't seen it yet? I have an idea. See it for yourself and form your own opinion. Quit being one of the herd.

And wouldn't it have been more interesting to have Drew Morton review this as an ending to his series on Tarantino? He's written some very thoughtful reviews and it would have been interesting to get his take on Basterds and how it fits into the Tarantino oeuvre. Personally, I can't fucking wait to see it. People can say what they want about him, but his movies are events and if he wasn't the filmmaker that he is, no one would give a damn.

Posted by: Jason at August 22, 2009 9:39 AM

Did anyone else feel like there was a lot left unsaid? I understand the importance of this in maintaining some mystique and a 2 hour running time but he created this whole unit of extremely dangerous and potentially fascinating men and only focused on 2 or 3.
Here are my demands, Hollywood- Tell me the rest of the stories. Make it a mini-series or a graphic novel or however you want. B.J. Novak has said in interviews that he created a whole character so I can assume they all did something to that effect.
I left the theater wanting more.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 22, 2009 10:09 AM

wanted to think there was some sort of "fourth wall" thing happening at the end, where you were the audience watching the movie about making horrific and merciless murder incredibly comical, and right then as you are persuaded, yes this is all really funny, and right after hans has a swastika carved in his forehead, QT cuts to a first person shot revealing it's us he's cut and us that should be fucking ashamed to find this mindless gore porn so utterly fucking hilarious...

After the movie, I discussed with my husband how I wasn't any more comfortable when the situation was reversed with the Nazis at the end. I didn't want to watch a herd of them be killed any more than I want to watch Jews be killed. And I find it disturbing that most movie trailers I saw this weekend (Saw District 9 too) were mostly of death, destruction or the end of the world. This is also why I found Shosanna laughing made little sense. That was more of a Tarantino interjection to me.

Another thing I noticed as I looked around the theater last night - there was definitely a demographic.

Posted by: Cindy at August 22, 2009 11:02 AM

Does Michael Parks get an illegible cameo? Does Quentin appear as an irate 1940's muso with a collection of rare but awesome grammaphone records?

So it's basically its the same damn box of tricks set in a different period? Hmmph. I'll probably see it, but my days of being excited about a Tarantino feature are over.

Posted by: RandyPanTheGoatboy at August 22, 2009 11:41 AM

Meh.

I loves me some Tarantino. But this didn't work for me.

Respectfully, this isn't just the "same box of tricks" as many have said. It was the departure from his usual style that really threw a wrench into the gears. The film works best when Tarantino does his usual thing (mainly when Aldo and the Basterds are on screen)--these scenes are fantastic. Also, Waltz is freakin' genius. If the film had rested entirely on him and on Pitt's group, I would have had a much different reaction.

My biggest complaint is that the brilliance of the opening scene and all its suspense is wasted as the movie goes on. One suspenseful, drawn-out scene like that is amazing. Repeating it 2-3 more times in the course of the film, you really lose something.

All in all, not horrible, but not great either.

Posted by: lokiboy at August 22, 2009 12:41 PM

He’s aging backward, more and more content to lure audiences in and then just keep repackaging stuff that was old the first time he repackaged it

Soooooo..... Tarantino's career is actually very similar to "Benjamin Button"?

And wow, all you hardcore fans out there really need to take a deep breath. Obviously our esteemed reviewer Daniel doesn't share the same opinion as you in regards to how wonderfull Quentin is. Get over it. Wow.

Posted by: Xtreme at August 22, 2009 1:20 PM

Loki,

Gotta disagree with you regarding the Basterds. They're such a one-note group that to put them on screen any longer would have been a waste. They were there for the perfect amount of time, Laurent was the soul of this piece.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 22, 2009 1:53 PM

Don't you people GET IT? It's The Wolfenstein Corollary.

As Long you is killin' Nazis, killins' is FUN!

Posted by: Stacy D at August 22, 2009 2:10 PM

It appears Brad Pitt has bought into Tarantino's hubris.

“The second World War could still deliver more stories and films, but I believe that Quentin [Tarantino, director] put a cover on that pot. With Basterds, everything than can be said to this genre has been said,” Pitt tells the German magazine Stern. “The film destroys every symbol. The work is done, end of story.” (via Celebitchy.com)

WWII, done with this one film? No way. The film doesn't justify this quote. I agree with the review. It's a Tarantino movie. He's taking on the terrible reality of the Nazi regime like he's trying to prove he's one of the all time great directors, not just a FUN director of violent movies. He just ended up with violent movie with a mispelled title that still bugs me.

Posted by: Jiffyzen at August 22, 2009 2:52 PM

Jiffy,

I think you're misinterpreting Pitt's quote. It's not as if QT single-handedly beat the WWII film into submission, but all the films of the past 50 years have culminated in a lack of unique perspective. The Onion's AVClub had an interesting Podcast on this very thing. We've had serious American WWII movies like "Saving Private Ryan," serious Jewish perspective WWII movies like "Schindler's List," serious German perspectives in "Downfall," Clint Eastwood and Spike Lee's counter-histories from a few years back, and more pulpy offerings like "The Dirty Dozen." What else can we say about the event that brings a clear perspective?

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 22, 2009 4:42 PM

this review is too bitchy even by my standards.

Posted by: vietnamvet at August 22, 2009 4:45 PM

This review was fantastic and very well-informed, no matter what opinion you have of Tarantino. Those decrying the review and insisting that this should be viewed as a fun movie and a fun movie only are only making the reviewer's point.

Posted by: pvt awesome at August 22, 2009 5:26 PM

"This film is just going to be about the body count, no matter ... Tarantino’s pretty much remade Rambo III with more money..."

----------------------------------------------

Sorry, I'm just not seeing a problem here.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 22, 2009 5:43 PM

Oh, are we are seriously getting sand in our vaginas because some fucking Nazis got their heads deservedly bashed-in?

Seriously?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 22, 2009 6:32 PM

I usually like Dan's reviews but I don't get the time spent deconstructing the opening credits, Eli Roth - his predilection for mysogynistic violence or his directing the movie within the movie - or the lack of lines for the other Basterds.

The movie was far from perfect, with the music and narration particularly disjointing, but overall it was more hit than miss.

Some of the dialogue was fantastic, several scenes were intense, and the acting of Waltz, Pitt, Krueger and Laurent was impeccable.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at August 22, 2009 7:05 PM

"This film is just going to be about the body count..."

Um, if that were the case then the whole movie would be about the Basterds killing Nazis, which, to my surprise, did not make up even a quarter of the movie.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at August 22, 2009 7:11 PM

i saw the movie earlier today and i loved it.

every time i see brad pitt in a movie, i'm surprised by how much i enjoy his acting. for some reason i want to dislike him, but i can't.

Posted by: kelley at August 22, 2009 9:11 PM

...Laurent was the soul of this piece.

I agree, Drew.

Posted by: Cindy at August 22, 2009 9:22 PM

Drew,

The Basterds didn't have to be a one-note group, but due to the very, very brief amount of screen time they were given, that's all they could be.

I guess my big complaint is that all of the typical Tarantino elements we normally love to see were present in the scenes with Pitt and Waltz. In nearly every other scene, those elements were nowhere to be found. It almost felt as if there were two different directors. And they weren't on speaking terms.

Posted by: lokiboy at August 22, 2009 10:13 PM

I'll put this one at a 7.5 to an 8.

It's got all the Tarantino quirks I have come to expect and I'm okay with it. I'm going to vote with Optimus and say that it needed a more back story seasoning. Other than that, it was a perfectly serviceable movie with pretty good dialogue and some catchy ways of framing shots. A touch long but at least it didn't feel excruciatingly so.

You know, I'm surprised because WWII has been over for almost 70 years and the thought of fighting Nazis still makes me go "Yeah! Fuck those guys!"

Posted by: alphawhiskey at August 22, 2009 11:40 PM

Just saw it. Packed multiplex theater. And yes, there was some cheering and clapping during and at the end of the movie.

On the movie: it's good but flawed. The best scenes are the ones happening around a table (Landa and the farmer, Landa and Shoshana eating strudel, the Basterds against the SS Colonel). And Tarantino manages to stick his own flair into things (the whole Sgt Hugo Stiglitz break; putting David Bowie into the soundtrack).

Tarantino does a good job of setting the characters and he gets bailed out by solid performances from Christoph Waltz, Brad Pitt, Melanie Laurent and the rest of his cast. They really carry his wandering plot around.

Posted by: Fredo at August 23, 2009 1:56 AM

On Tarantino: it's clear he's become self-centered (he actually parodied this back in 4 Rooms). That's almost impossible to avoid when you got an army of geeks deeming your works masterpieces before they are out.

However, let me say that there are two traits of Tarantino that always seem to come through in his movies (three if you want to add his foot fetish, lovingly captured here with Diane Kruger). One is his intense love for the power of cinema. It's almost like with this little revenge tale, Tarantino wishes he could rewrite history.

The other one is that he continues to reveal himself a Romantic in his desire to have characters redeemed (like Mr. White or Jules or the Bride) while having the villains get their comeuppance (like Ordell Robbie and Bill and Hans Landa). Ultimately all his stories are about his characters and how they rise/fall to the challenge of doing the right thing.

Posted by: Fredo at August 23, 2009 2:53 AM

Posted by: lily at August 23, 2009 3:16 AM

I read a review of Kill Bill where the author compared it to eating a piece of cake that was beautifully decorated and made entirely of icing. Sometimes, eating all the icing ever sounds like a good idea and it sure looks tasty, but you end up feeling oddly empty and kind of sick. Never again, you think. And then, one day, you're at the supermarket in the baking aisle and you see those cans of frosting and you think "I want that." And you're an adult! You can buy a can of frosting and eat it if you want! So you do. I'm not saying it's going to be the best frosting you've ever eaten, because you'll still remember that Kill Bill cake made entirely of icing. And Quentin Tarantino has baked a delicious cake or two before and they came with layers and depth and flavour and you really liked those cakes. Ultimately, the can of frosting is a sad substitute for cake, but sometimes, I just want to eat some fucking frosting.

Posted by: Zooby at August 23, 2009 3:42 AM

Loki,

I think QT realized that the Basterds, regardless of their back stories, would have been the least interesting part of the film. We've seen movies about a rugged group of soldiers pulled together by a mission hundreds of times (The Great Escape, The Dirty Dozen). His focus was deliberately on the lesser seen elements, and that's why Shoshanna was the soul of the piece.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 23, 2009 3:51 AM

this is a wonderful review: informative, insightful and entertaining. thanks, dc.

Posted by: celery at August 23, 2009 6:42 AM

I'm not going to get into knocking the review or anything, as far as I'm concerned, that way madness lies.

I will just say that I'm a self admitted QT fan and I saw the movie 3 times in its first 3 days of release. Really did love this movie, surprisingly a lot more on the second viewing though. If you guys who just liked the movie give it a second viewing, I think you'll be rewarded. I was quite surprised actually, often when you rewatch a mediocre movie you are merely anticipating certain scenes but I was too caught up in the movie on both rewatchings to think ahead.

Anyway, I'll just say it's good to see so much debate about the movie going on here. Often when Pajiba posts a negative review I notice that there isn't too much debate in the comment section beyond insults towards the film makers in question. Glad this isn't the case.

Posted by: Caillan at August 23, 2009 6:44 AM

Oh sweet cracker sandwich, some of you find one statement you don't agree with and just run with that shit, don't you? Dan's a damned fine reviewer, even if he and I generally have differing viewpoints. QT (Shovelhead) is one hell of a polarizing director, who has made exactly one movie I adore (Reservoir Dogs). That being said, all of you trying to turn this into a "The reviewer hates QT", quit it. The intelligent and through dissection of the movie going on makes for more interesting reading than a bunch of people who haven't seen the damned thing bitching about the reviewers' supposed inadequacies. If you are that pissed off at a perceived slight towards a director, perhaps you need to change your damned tampon. At the very least, take your nonsensical bitching someplace else, as we are all stocked up here.

Posted by: Melody at August 23, 2009 12:58 PM

every time i see brad pitt in a movie, i'm surprised by how much i enjoy his acting. for some reason i want to dislike him, but i can't.

1) I feel exactly the same way whenever I see Brad Pitt in anything.

2) Honey, the Shift key is your friend. Visit your friend sometimes!

I don't really know when I'm going to get a chance to see this movie, but I really really want to see it ASAP.

And Carlson, when a review of yours inspires comments like the ones above, you gotta know you've done a stellar job.

Posted by: Jerce at August 23, 2009 1:36 PM

Melody, you forget that Pajiba is "Scathing Reviews for Bitchy People" That bitching is like a shotgun and sprays around. Even the writers here are not immune.

That said, is what Dan stated above so wrong? No modern filmmaker wears his influences as directly or as willfully as Tarantino. He's upfront about where his movies come from -- other movies he saw, whether blaxsploitation (Jackie Brown) or 70s asian cinema (Kill Bill).

Tarantino, at his best, is like a great DJ that mashes up music from other artists (both good and bad) into a new and different song that he then calls his own. It's unique and odd and strangely his own, but you can point out exactly where he got certain beats and lyrics -- meaning you can't quite call him truly original.

Posted by: Fredo at August 23, 2009 2:13 PM

Loved the film.

I was a little worried going in, because I had read the script was far too talky. (I didn't read it myself because I wanted to see the movie without those preconceptions.) I felt that Death Proof was too talky, and perhaps Tarantino was veering even further into that territory. However, almost all of the dialogue in Inglourious Basterds is in service to plot and character.

The review is fine, but I do agree it's a little too focused on the writer/director and his expectations and tendencies. It is possible to divorce the material and review it on its own merits. Yes, Tarantino enjoys Godard films and named his production company in Godard's honor. So what?

I enjoyed the film as much as I did because it is very Tarantino. I'm not talking about the in-jokes, the references, the explosions of violence, etc. I'm talking about the way he composes shots and the way he paces scenes. It's vibrant and intoxicating to me as a viewer, and there is absolutely no other writer/director who does it quite like he does. It outright perplexes me when people dismiss his work so flippantly, given the load of crap that the movie industry produces on a regular basis. Tarantino needs an editor? Hell, whoever edits any film that isn't made by Tarantino should take some notes and lay off the pointless, mind-numbing jump-cuts. Of course, when you don't have a director with the vision to compose something that doesn't require that sort of cutting, it makes it difficult.

Tarantino is a filmmaker who obviously enjoys his craft for its own sake, and his enthusiasm is infectious to me as an audience member. Even if every single bit of plot and subject matter that Tarantino puts on screen is a case of recycling and homage, the manner in which he combines the elements always feels very original to me. It is very much his own. If you don't think he's funny, don't enjoy the violence, find his themes tired...that's one thing. But Tarantino is an artist in the purest sense of the word, and I can't see how anyone could discount that.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at August 23, 2009 2:36 PM

Melody, thank you for pointing out that Daniel is a good reviewer. Having been a fairly avid reader of this site for quite a few years now, I hadn't actually noticed that the reviews are generally of a high quality, and am glad that I had someone like you to tell me so. (And in such a witty way too! Nothing says high-quality humour like telling people to change their tampons - thank goodness you didn't ask us who'd pissed in our cornflakes, or I may have died laughing!) I particularly like how you tell us to take our comments elsewhere, because "we are all stocked up here". So good of you to speak on behalf of all of Pajiba, to save anyone else the trouble! They must be so grateful to have you around!

Were I the contrarian sort, I might point out that even the best of reviewers have off days, and that suggesting that this review was one of Daniel's hardly amounts to a massive attack on his character - that, in fact, it's almost worse to refuse to criticse someone who writes for an audience and greet all their work with indifferent sycophancy, because that implies that their work won't stand up to criticism. I might suggest that "taking one statement you don't agree with and just run with that shit" could also be construed as "parsing the statements that a reviewer makes to back up their take on a movie and questioning their basis". Like, for example, when a reviewer outright states that he's examining the film differently to how he otherwise would because of who directed it. I'd point out that a discussion of such a practice (is it fair to look at a film as a piece of an overall body of work, or should films be viewed independently of other prejudices?) might actually make for an interesting topic of conversation. I'd add that it irks me no end that it's virtually impossible to criticise a review here without having people resort to fairly pathetic personal abuse. I might even throw in some shallow personal abuse of my own, like suggesting that while I might (I stress, might) take the kind of entitled, self-righteous "We don't want you here"-style comments from one of the staffers, or even one of the so-old-they're-practically-staff regulars, but that I sure as hell amn't going to take it from some jumped-up little wagon like you.

Thank goodness I'm not the type to anger easily! Toodles.

Posted by: Shay at August 23, 2009 3:46 PM

Shay, as you so eloquently stated in your above comments, no one said you had to take an personal abuse from someone like me. How in the hell do you know who I directed my comment at? It wasn't at you. I've been around this place for a long damned time. Generally I don't comment on reviews as I don't feel that I should bitch about something that I have yet to see. The problem here is that every time Dan writes a review, the comments devolve into a cacophony of bullshit, generally directed at the reviewer. I know that this is "scathing reviews for bitchy people", but frankly I'm exhausted with all the bitching for bitching's sake going on around here. The fact of the matter is, certain commenters make inflammatory statements constantly, stating their opinion as fact, all for the sake of garnering attention. They need to grow the hell up and accept that people will have a different opinion than they do. I didn't feel like naming names, so therefore, I did not. Quite frankly, many commenters probably need a nap and cookie with all the backbiting that's been going on lately. Several of the staffers and regulars have made comments in other locations referring to the increasingly overt bitchiness going on lately. If my comment bothered you so much as to make a lengthy, ironic statement about how it does not bother you or that you won't take such shit from "some jumped-up little wagon like you", by all means, feel free to ignore my statement. Otherwise, perhaps you should not jump so quickly to conclusions or let a single statement ruin your otherwise pleasant Sunday.

Posted by: Melody at August 23, 2009 4:23 PM

I saw it a few days ago, and waited a little to read Daniel's review, as I wanted to read all of these well thought out comments. And then I noticed there were 74, and many of them were really, really long, so fuck that.
I saw this movie with a fellow Tarantino follower, and we came out with different opinions. She felt it was a bit generic for Tarantino, or in her own words, Basterds didn't occupy the same universe as all of his other films have. She felt that the film suffered from a plot that was over simplified, and then viewed under a magnifying glass. In other words, Tarantino had a plot that another director could have made into an hour long film, and then stretched it out as much as he could.
I agree, and I loved it because of that.
Tarantino succeeded in making a WW2 movie that could only be done by him. He managed to make a War that involved the World (hence the name) small and intimate, while still giving it that grande-scale, coming together finish that he's known for.
The performances made this movie possible. Such a dialogue-heavy movie could only be interesting if the characters were nothing less than captivating, and they were (at least the characters that mattered).
However, over everything else I mentioned here, I loved this film because it was fully aware that it was a film. It doesn't have to prove anything, and it doesn't have to be associated with "Quentin Tarantino, the Director". It just has to tell a story. This was a film that used dialogue brilliantly to create suspense (Chapter 1, and the Chapter in the bar especially), and didn't feel required to live up to a set of standards or a style set by a famous director.
Yes, it had it's problems, but every film does. I was satisfied when I left the theater, and I was happy. And so should Quentin.

Posted by: chayes at August 23, 2009 4:26 PM

Drew,

Thanks for the feedback. I don't entirely agree with your view of the film, but your comments have definitely given me new insight into Tarantino's approach to Inglourious Basterds. I'll be looking at the film with a fresh set of eyes when I see it again.

Posted by: lokiboy at August 23, 2009 4:32 PM

Fuck Carlson.. Anyone that wastes 250+ words about his style before he even mentions the movie, is just jealous of the person and wishes they were there. He must hate porn too guys with 8" cocks and can't handle that either.

Posted by: Ted at August 23, 2009 4:34 PM

Loki,

I wasn't trying to talk you into anything, that's not my style. ;) Might I suggest you view the film as a critique of the role the media and cinema plays in the construction of nation states. I find it extremely telling that QT has a sequence in which we watch Germans cheering during the death of Americans in "Nation's Pride" juxtaposed with us cheering for the slaughter of Nazis shortly after. The film's constant allusions to the German film industry as a propaganda industry really push the point home...

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 23, 2009 7:32 PM

"Fuck Carlson.. Anyone that wastes 250+ words about his style before he even mentions the movie, is just jealous of the person and wishes they were there. He must hate porn too guys with 8" cocks and can't handle that either."

Wait... so... you like 8" cocks? I mean, that's cool, I guess.

What's the opposite of Eloquent Eloquence? Because this donkey's the runaway winner.

Posted by: Skewicide Blonde at August 23, 2009 9:08 PM

Surprisingly, despite all the jawing in the comments, it seems like everyone agrees on one thing: this is the best QT movie since Pulp Fiction. I certainly believe that.

But is that really saying something? I overheard someone outside of the theater say that QT has a ninth-grade education, and I am fully prepared to adopt that as truth. His style and ego are indicative of what must be his educational and cultural experiences -- having only seen the movie, never having read the book.

Posted by: Mr. Tusks at August 23, 2009 11:11 PM


talktalktalktalktalktalktalktalktalktalktalktalktalkboom.

Let's see, a movie about a hardcore nazi killin' team that...

...doesn't kill any nazis.

I don't get it. With every movie he makes the ratio of dialog to action changes in favor of dialog.

Sorry, but if I wanted to hear people talk for 2 hours I'd go see a play.

Remember that scene? The one in the bar where the characters BSed for 20 minutes? If you are the type of person who felt any tension leading up to the end you'd probably get an ulcer from a glass of milk.

Raise your standards people. This is another clear-cut example of Tarantino taking a shit in his hand, smearing it on a canvas and calling it a masterpiece.


Posted by: Some Guy at August 24, 2009 1:52 AM

Tarantino stroked himself for half the movie. Some scenes made my skin crawl from how awful they were. As always Great review Dan

Posted by: Malon at August 24, 2009 2:42 AM

I don't know what's happened around here but I don't like it much. Once upon a time I read reviews that looked past just the general concept or the filmmaker and actually reviewed the film. I read the review for District 9 and saw something along the lines of fabulous. Then I read this and see Tarantino described as rather lazy for using techniques he debuted in past films.

District 9 started with an interesting premise and turned into a chase scene for 2 hours whereas Inglourios Basterds took an interesing premise that could have just been a chase scene and made a movie of it.

Posted by: clarity at August 24, 2009 4:43 AM

I'm going to have to say after watching this, it's not bad. At all. The scenes that are dialogue heavy are beautifully written and well acted. The violence served a purpose and was, from a technical stand point, great. Only problem I saw was with the occaisional Sam Jackson narrative, which was random but at least served a purpose.

I think had the war really gone like that, I'd give much more of a shit about WW2.

But that's just me, isn't it?

Posted by: Brittany at August 24, 2009 8:57 AM

I don't know how serious that Pitt quote is but as WWII movies go, I don't know how boiling it down to a revenge fantasy serves the canon in anything but a minor way.

Saw it tonight, not the same bag of tricks, but the same result. Some great parts but the sum of the whole just doesn't add up like it should.

The problem I have with both this and KB (I'm pretending DP didn't exist) is that there are some truly magnificent, affecting moments. Had the whole of IB followed the standard set in it's opening, it would indeed have been his masterpiece. It captured all that was best about his earlier films- slow built tension, plot progression through carefully constructed dialogue, the sudden and abrupt denouement. Instead, he serves what feels like a collection of vignettes that contain many wonderful touches, some terrific performances (Landa steals the show) that somehow never seem to connect into a story I give a shit about.

Basically, QT takes truffle and slow aged wagyu beef and turns it into hamburger. It might be the best hamburger you ever tasted- consider the recipe, it should be- but it hardly demonstrates the total quality of the ingredient, nor puts it to best use. I enjoyed it for what it was, but couldn't help wishing for more.

Posted by: RandyPanTheGoatboy at August 24, 2009 9:54 AM

I probably won't see this because it's not my kind of film, but mostly because it's not my Dad's kind of film. He was in Nazi concentration camp during the war, and he said that that kind of guerilla resistance just wasn't possible and it makes him physically ill to think about it. He used to get mad when I watched Hogan's Heros, so I kinda see where he's coming from.

Posted by: BWeaves at August 24, 2009 9:55 AM

Still processing my thoughts on the film. Like other, I greatly enjoyed the initial scene and the character of the "jew hunter". In general, I'm leaning towards enjyoable, if flawed. Definitely better than Grindhouse.

However, one point on which I've come to a conclusion is that the chapter-ing of the film served little to no purpose. In his other films, with flashbacks and non-linear storytelling, it made sense and worked within the film. Here, it felt like a crutch to support the transitions.

Question - How is the Mike Myers scene playing in the US? My London audience found it ridiculous (and personally it seemed like an unnecessary homage to US post-war era films).

Posted by: WestCoastPat at August 24, 2009 10:11 AM

Why the fuck do people have to "process their thoughts" about the movie? You either liked it or you didn't. It's not that fucking difficult to figure out. I thought the movie was great. The review on the other hand....

Posted by: sosumi at August 24, 2009 10:52 AM

Saw this yesterday and really liked it. With the notable exception of Eli Roth, I thought the performances were all great. Roth, though, shouldn't have been allowed to speak - he's got this mean face with these dead, black eyes, and I think that character would have been so much more effective if we hadn't heard his weirdly squeaky voice.

I also kind of wished we'd been introduced to all the Basterds in the same way we were introduced to Hugo Stiglitz, but that's a minor complaint - though the film is titled for them, it's not really about them.

I don't understand how Tarantino is allowed to fit his entertainment of violence in a real, historical and very sensitive time, and get away with this idea of providing entertainment. Nazis aren't zombies; World War II isn't Mordor - this is important.

Caspar, I understand why you'd take issue with the use of real people and events in a work of fiction, but I thought it was well-done here. This is so obviously meant to be a fantasy - I doubt Hitler and Goebbels in real life were anything like they are portrayed in this film, but it's fun to imagine that they were. It makes their eventual fates (SPOILER?) all the more enjoyable to watch, and that's the point.

Posted by: Another Jen at August 24, 2009 11:30 AM

Drew - Enjoyed your take on the movie. Wish you had done the full review.

Posted by: sosumi at August 24, 2009 12:33 PM

Wow, I never thought I'd be given shit for taking time to think.

Posted by: WestCoastPat at August 24, 2009 12:43 PM

At sosumi:

Clearly WestCoastPat is one of those intellectual elites we've been warned about. Taking time to make a considered opinion. PSHAW! How dare he take the time to reflect on the piece of art he's just experienced! He needs to learn to go with his gut. He either has an opinion or gastrointestinal distress. Either way: result.

Posted by: SavageCats at August 24, 2009 12:52 PM

Forget about the review, what is up with these comments? I haven't read the comments on this site in ages, but MAN ALIVE has the conversation devolved into a petty bitch-slapping fest! We're supposed to be cracking witty jokes and talking about movies, right? Not acting like tantrum-throwing, name-calling children? Yeesh. I think I'll go back to quietly perusing the great reviews here and head over to I Can Has Cheezburger for more satisfying, intelligent conversation. u r koot kittehz!

I've long hated QT, so I of course agree with everything Dan said, despite not seeing and having no intention of seeing this film. I'd be totally fine with never hearing from QT or Brad Pitt ever again - they are prime examples of the ego interfering with art.

Posted by: tt_marie at August 24, 2009 1:36 PM

I haven't read this review or this thread yet, as I haven't had a moment to myself to go and see it. I have some reservations about it. And I hope to get them out of the way so I can fully enjoy reading the "petty bitch-slapping fest! tt_marie was lamenting above.

Posted by: Odnon at August 24, 2009 2:38 PM

WestCoastPat - So, lets see - you go to a movie and really like it. And then you think about it for a couple of days and decide not so much. Yeah, now that I've had time to process my thoughts about your comment, it makes a lot of sense.

SavageCats - Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways.

Posted by: sosumi at August 24, 2009 3:15 PM

sosumi,
I'd say the error of your ways is basically telling someone that their way of interpreting/experiencing a movie is invalid. Perhaps he hasn't decided whether he liked it, yet. Not all reactions are gut level reactions. Some things that people create don't lend themselves to snap decisions.

Posted by: pissant at August 24, 2009 5:32 PM

I won't rehash any of the above comments, but just say I really liked this movie. As a speaker of German, I think I enjoyed the bar seen much more than any of my friends and (Spoiler) I knew instantly that the British spy had fucked up due to the fact it took me forever to break the habit of making the wrong hand signals for numbers when living in Germany. (End Spoiler)

It should probably be noted that Eli Roth insisted that he shoot the film-within-the-film "Nation's Pride". Plus he doesn't seem nearly introspective enough to feel uncomfortable something like that. For anyone interested, you can find the "trailer" here: http://www.apple.com/trailers/weinstein/inglouriousbasterds/

Posted by: Vegas Chad at August 25, 2009 3:07 AM

I don't understand how Tarantino is allowed to fit his entertainment of violence in a real, historical and very sensitive time, and get away with this idea of providing entertainment. Nazis aren't zombies; World War II isn't Mordor - this is important.

Um...Indiana Jones?

True it is not nearly as violent (that Nazi hit with the propeller might say different, though), but it was a piece of pop fantasy tossed dead in the middle of WW2. And I was under the impression they were trying to provide entertainment.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 25, 2009 9:04 AM

Tarantino's style shows that he knows what's effective in the hands of greater directors, but he doesn't know why. The Bowie thing, for example -- of course the moment is dramatic, but his motivation seemed to be making it "AWESOME!" instead of giving weight to the tragic heroine being brutally killed before she could get the satisfaction of revenge. Slow motion and melancholy music are the formula for drama, in the same way that the audience can't distinguish between acts without title cards.

He's almost like a Michael Bay who thinks he's an Oliver Stone. Violence = story and music cues = feeling. How he believes this and can still maintain a gift for entertaining, wordy dialog escapes me.

Posted by: Mr. Tusks at August 25, 2009 12:14 PM

Even weirder is that he’s Jewish, and starring in the larger film and directing the smaller one must have been uncomfortable.

Wait...what the hell is THAT supposed to mean?

Posted by: Jez at August 25, 2009 2:54 PM

The fact of the matter is, I went into this movie not looking for meaning, or for historical accuracy, or looking for a reason to bitch. I went into this movie to be entertained, and I must say, the movie did its damn job.

I don't like Tarantino much. I think his movies have only gotten worse with time, and his douchery has gotten much bigger. But I didn't go see this to bitch, like I said. He sucks. The movie didn't.

I enjoyed the crass, unapologetic, nasty, dark humor. I enjoyed watching these men get the base, human, and utterly awful enjoyment out of brutally beating someone to death. I enoyed watching Christoph Waltz do the performance of a genius, with a mere shift of an eyebrow changing him from charming gentleman to vicious murderer. I enjoyed the erratic mix of stupid, silly humor and dark, evil killing sprees.

Hell, I enjoyed the cheesy, overdone theme music and intro for that Gestappo-killer whose name I can't remember. Huge Steiglitz? Something like that. The little random spurts of stupid humor stopped this from being something like The Boy in the Stryped Pyjamas, or however you spell it, because without the crazy humor, this would've been just that--a thoroughly depressing movie that would've been totally false in its tear-jerker shit.

But the drama had its ups and downs. The character of Frederick Zoller was absurd--what moron gloats about his own heroism to a chick who is obviously not interested in him at all and continue to do so? He's either retarded, or completely delusional. And the way he's portrayed doesn't say that. It just seems completely contrived, and I did not enjoy that.

The drama I did enjoy was every scene with Christoph Waltz and/or Diane Kruger. The suspense, the knowledge that oh damn, they are SCREWED or He f'in KNOWS and all that jazz...that was perfect entertainment.

So the movie was done by a dick director. Oh well. Some of the tricks he used were old, and kind of pat, but they didn't ruin the story. They just kind of happened, and then I forgot them and enjoyed the rest of the superb entertainment.

Oh, by the way. The best part of whole movie? Aldo Raine's Italian. I think I must have pissed myself, I was laughing so hard. It was ridiculous, and it broke up the almost unbearable suspense enough to give me a guilty laugh.

Posted by: Riah at August 26, 2009 2:17 PM

"Tarantino’s pretty much remade Rambo III with more money."

What film did you see and when will you be seeing "Inglorious Basterds"?

One of the least accurate lines I've ever read in a film review.

Posted by: ShinyKatesShineRag at August 26, 2009 8:05 PM

OK, going out on a limb here. But maybe that's the point of such a movie.

I think I agree with BWeaves' dad on this one. I just couldn't get past the "revisionism". Yes Raiders goofed on the Nazis, but always knew the threat. This was just fantasy. SPOILERS CONTAINED

A group of Jewish Guerillas getting retribution? Maybe. OK, sure, why not? But by the time they killed all the upper echelon of the Nazi party I was well beyond done. The fantasy made the actual horror of history that much more horrific. I could only think as Eli Roth was spraying the crowd with machine gun fire that, as the actor in the scene, he had to have been shooting blanks. That's the metaphor for this whole movie for me. It should have been called "Vainglourious Basterds"

And were we to hate the Germans for hooting as the Americans got killed? Like "they deserved it"? Or because our empathy was already engaged for the GIs, were we supposed to feel that same way when the Germans got burned alive (it reminded me of the Church scene from "Come and See") and so feel bad about ourselves for hooting like they did?

Also, I am not Jewish and I would dearly love to hear a Jewish perspective on this film, as a "Revenge fantasy". Does massacre, however justified, elevate one to the level of one's assassins, or lower them? (Was this dealt with in Munich? I didn't see it) Is it satisfying to just pretend that things were different? Is that not simply denial? Is it satisfying to dehumanize an enemy who dehumanized you? How does that make it all better? Was that not the rationale the Germans had after WWI? At what point then is there a difference between a Chosen People and a Master Race? These are the questions I found myself asking watching this movie. Was it edifying? Was it actually offensively anti-Semitic? Am I anti-Semitic for even thinking these things? Was I supposed to think about these things as I watched?

Ultimately, I believe BWeaves' Father was accurate. (My own grandfather was in the Danish resistance and had to flee the country after the war.) I don't think such a thing would have been possible. An archaeologist running around Africa with stolen treasure? Sure. A group such as the Basterds in Nazi occupied France for three years? Stretching things. The entire head of the Nazi Gov't actually killed? Well, it just didn't happen, and no amount of wishing can ever change that. And by making the whole thing "fantasy", it makes whatever the Basterds are supposed to represent a fantasy too. It makes the whole movie meaningless for me.

To me it's like QT said, "WWII? I saw that movie! It was no Godfather II, but it did have some really cool explosions and great costumes. But I would have done it better."

And I am not trying to be snarky, or wisecracky. I really would like to know these things. I know it's "just a movie" and I should maybe "lighten up". But I think QT is trying to tell us something, and I am just not sure what it is.
Yes, Rambo was similarly revisionist, and no doubt made veterans feel better. But Rambo fought a battle. This was a war. And, to me, saying "This happened" is tantamount to saying "The Other didn't". And is that not similar to a Holocaust denial?
Is the Fantasy enough?

The only way I could justify "the Fantasy" of this movie is if it was one that Shoshonna was having just as she was running from Landa in the first scene, and before he would actually would shoot her. She could then go through the whole story as it stands, and ultimately, mentally brand Landa with the Swastika Pitt carved into his forehead; indelibly marking him for the choices he's made and leaving him to them, knowing he cannot escape the evil he is perpetrating, but not perpetrating it herself.

Revenge solves nothing. Self awareness does.

Then this perhaps would have been a fucking brilliant movie, and, in my mind, that would have been a truly great message. But I think QT stopped short of this. Or was not clear in (pardon the pun) the execution of it.

To me, as it stands, this was not mere revisionism. It was negation.


Posted by: Odnon at August 27, 2009 2:22 AM

Daniel Carlson you're my hero. Thanks for putting my thoughts and feelings into this fine analysis of Tarantino's very entertaining, but uneven piece of work.

I liked it as a vehicle for entertainment, but it should never be considered a cinematic "masterpiece". I'm sure Tarantino's fanboys/girls will always beg to differ.

Posted by: Grrravy at August 27, 2009 9:17 PM

"I liked it as a vehicle for entertainment, but it should never be considered a cinematic "masterpiece". I'm sure Tarantino's fanboys/girls will always beg to differ."

I, as a fan of Tarantino's work (moreso since I revisited it all in preparation for my viewing of IB), would simply say that he's really really good at creating vehicles for entertainment. Stylish, cool vehicles. With great soundsystems. And that is totally fucking fine by me. I saw IB today and loved it. So did my friend. And my girlfriend. And the entire cinema audience, who applauded at the end.

Posted by: ben at August 29, 2009 9:28 AM

The revisionism argument is bullshit, unless you're going to call into question damn near every movie that has dealt with war up to this point.

Yes, damn near every single one.

The curious thing is that this debate doesn't begin until someone comes along and says they're doing it and then people want to stick HIM under the microscope and not the work.

You then have to take all "revisionist" works into account and hold them up to the same high standard, including those bullshit John Wayne vehicles that didn't even do justice to the fighting men but were just more pro-war propaganda for America's itchy trigger finger.

Stop the bullshit people. You do this with this movie, get ready to eat a long line of cinematic crow. Stop playing the ostrich.

Posted by: Recondite at August 30, 2009 3:43 PM

It's not revisionism itself I was having trouble with. I get that any work of fiction is by nature, revisionism. It's just what Tarantino was saying with this particular revisionism that I had trouble with.

Posted by: Odnon at August 30, 2009 6:30 PM

Coke rules and Pepsi sucks! Ford is way better than Chevy! Anyone who prefers that fish bait sushi over a juicy steak is a goddamn communist. Tarantino's awesome! Tarantino is an intergalactic ass clown!

When someone tells me I'm not supposed to like brand 'X' and then deconstructs into 57 varieties of minutia, well they can go eat a bag of testicular genitalia. I have the velvet Red Skelton wall hanging because it's art, so shut the fuck up about me being a white trash moron. You think I'm going to watch Bedknobs and Broomsticks with your comments ringing in my head about why I should or shouldn't like it? That Murder She Wrote chick gives me a woody so of course I'm going to like it.

Good, bad, indifferent, no matter what the review, Willard Pinth Garnell or not, I'll make up my own mind, thank you.

Posted by: bucslim at September 6, 2009 12:44 PM

I went to see this movie ready to be dissapointed since I had read this review before, but it didn't; I really liked this movie, it may not be the best movie of the year nor of Tarantino's career (my favorite will always be Reservoir Dogs), but it was good and entertaining; not entertaining in a Michael Bay way but in a clever yet violent way. I don't mind the whole "it didn't happen this way in real life" because it's a movie that had no intention on showing the truth, just showing one of Tarantino's ideas. He may not be as good as he used to be, but he still can make a good movie and I'm glad I saw this one.

Posted by: Radlum at October 17, 2009 1:04 AM





Video ads popping up after each page view? Try clearing your browser's cookies.



Related Posts with Thumbnails









twitter_badge-thumb-300x110-5250.jpg facebook-thumb-300x112-5252.jpg