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Reevaluating Tyler Perry and the Role of Racism In His Lack of Coverage

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (70)



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We’ve been hard on Tyler Perry here since his debut film back in 2005. Perhaps, deservedly so. In his four years on the scene, he’s made up one third of the unholy triumvirate here on Pajiba, part of our axis of evil that includes Katherine Heigl and Paul Haggis. In a way, he commits the same sins that Haggis did in Crash: He abuses racial stereotypes, employs heavy-handed moralizing, and sermonizes his audience into bloody red pulps of after-school specialness.

The difference is this: Paul Haggis won an Oscar, while Tyler Perry — despite his box-office success — is largely ignored by mainstream critics, particularly those online, whose demographics often don’t support the cost of a review. Granted, Tyler Perry’s movies are rarely screened for critics, but neither was Whiteout. And if you check the Tomatometer today, there are over 80 reviews of Whiteout (a movie that opened with less than $6 million) and only 21 of the number one movie at the box office this weekend: I Can Do Bad All By Myself. In my mind, whether you like his movies or not, that’s just fucking disrespectful. Tyler Perry is, commercially, the biggest African-American director of all time, and the least the man deserves at this point is acknowledgement, even if it is a scathing review. Tyler Perry’s movies made more in one weekend than Kevin Smith’s do during their entire run, and who gets all the press? Tyler Perry has legitimate more box-office successes than Paul Thomas Anderson and Wes Anderson combined. And yet only 21 critics deigned to share a theater with a mostly black audience this weekend to write about a movie we all knew was going to be number one over the weekend. His movies always are, even if we can attribute it to picking slower movie weekends.

Is it racist to call out Tyler Perry for making lowbrow, preachy movies? No. Is it racist to ignore a director who appeals to a considerable segment of America’s African-American population? Yeah. Maybe. Why else refuse to review his movies? Is it because, at this point, we’ve seen enough Tyler Perry movies to know they’re going to be bad? That doesn’t stop us from reviewing Adam Sandler movies. Or is it because we know they’re critic-proof? That’s never stopped us from reviewing half of the summer slate. Besides, most movie sites are not above posting the less time-intensive Tyler Perry trailers and news, and taking their pot shots. Tyler Perry slights should be earned, in my estimation. You ought to at least see his movies before taking your digs at him (which is not to say that many of the insults aren’t warranted, at least the ones that aren’t blatantly racist).

Four years ago, Jeremy wrote a brutal review of Diary of a Mad Black Woman. I haven’t seen the movie, but I’ve seen enough Tyler Perry movies since to know it was an honest and warranted review. But the truth is: We’ve been piling on ever since. I’ve been careful to spread the Tyler Perry movies around here at Pajiba, to ensure we get a fresh perspective each time out, but that doesn’t change the fact that we’ve been rolling out variations of the same complaints. But then again, Tyler Perry has been rolling out a variation of the same movie since 2005. I’m surprised, in fact, that Jason Freidberg and Aaron Seltzer haven’t taken advantage: Tyler Perry’s Preachy Movie.

I Can Do Bad All By Myself, however, demands some reevaluation of Tyler Perry. We can’t coast by with the same review because Tyler Perry hasn’t made the exact same movie again. It’d be a stretch to call it anything close to a good movie, but I Can Do Bad, at the very least, represents an improvement. Some maturation. And while the themes may be similar, they are less heavy-handed and, more importantly, Perry has assembled a cast that insists we take notice.

Oscar-nominated Taraji P. Henson stars as April, a self-obsessed club singer involved in an abusive relationship with Randy (Brian White), a married man who nevertheless calls the shots in her house because he helps to pay the bills. April sings six nights a week, drinks herself into a stupor, wakes up late, and starts the day all over again. That is, until her mother disappears and the children of April’s sister are abandoned into her care, forced on her by Madea (Tyler Perry) after they break into her house and try to steal a VCR.

Meanwhile, the local church has also pushed a handyman immigrant, Sandino (Adam Rodriguez) into her home. He agrees to fix up her place for a bed in her basement, to the displeasure of Randy. Sandino ends up looking after the children and, ultimately, falling for April, who has to make her own journey toward self-discovery before she can allow Sandino and the children into her life.

It’s predictable stuff, and it unfolds just as you’d expect it to, particularly if you’re familiar Tyler Perry’s movies. However, I Can Do Bad All By Myself boasts strong performances by Taraji P. Henson and the eldest daughter, Hope Olaide Wilson, a hard-ass kid who’ll stop at nothing to protect her younger brothers. They manage, together, to elevate Perry’s earnest, cliche-ridden material to something approximating mediocrity. Moreover, the sledgehammer preachiness has taken a backseat to a more conventional narrative. Granted, it’s one punctuated by the occasional musical number, gospel or otherwise, but it’s the voices of Gladys Knight, Mary J. Blige and, especially, Marvin Winan’s pastor that helps up-sell the TP experience. There are some motherfucking crowd-pleasing numbers in this movie, and I’m not ashamed to admit that they were a little stirring.

Unfortunately, I Can Do Bad All By Myself is still bogged down by the usual. Namely, Tyler Perry’s Madea — who provides the comic relief — screws with the otherwise more consistent dramatic tone. Granted, of the three cross-dressing overweight black women — Norbit’s Rasputia, Big Momma, and Madea — I actually prefer the latter, but that’s not saying a lot. Moreover, of course, April also has to be saved by a man in the end, even if he is a good man saving her from a bad one. But then again: That’s part and parcel for 90 percent of romantic comedies. There’s no reason to ridicule Tyler Perry any more than Kate Hudson or Robert Luketic for falling into the same formulaic trap.

In the end, I Can Do Bad All By Myself is not a particularly good movie, although it does have its moments, moments of joyous levity. But the important thing is that I Can Do Bad All By Myself at least deserves to be told it’s mediocre. And until review outlets start ignoring every other bland romantic comedy that comes out of the Hollywood poop chute, they have a responsibility to lump Tyler Perry’s oeuvre into them, instead of outright ignoring him.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. You can email him or leave a comment below.









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Comments

Hey Gang! Michael Bay here!

Fuck you Perry!

Michael Bay, signing off!

Posted by: Michael Bay at September 14, 2009 2:08 PM

Rasputina, Big Mamm, or Madae...can we also lump in Allison Hannigan's fat suit from Date Movie and Paltrow from Shallow Hal?

Which would I prefer? hmmm...

I would have an easier time decideing which I wanted more among: a festering boil on my neck, myexdema of the tongue, prolapsed rectum, giant warts on my balls, or a bisected penis.

At least with a bisected penis I could tickle some stuff.

Posted by: PissBoy at September 14, 2009 2:19 PM

fuck spellnig.

Posted by: PissBoy at September 14, 2009 2:20 PM

But the important thing is that I Can Do Bad All By Myself at least deserves to be told it’s mediocre.

See that? That I understand. People bitching about him getting bad reviews here, when that is hardly the problem. Having critics ignore your work isn't a good sign; it means they don't think you are worth the trouble.

This entire review is scheduled to be taken the wrong way in 3...2...1...

Posted by: Vermillion at September 14, 2009 2:21 PM

off topic, but it's been driving me crazy: what movie does today's header come from? mars attacks? please help!

Posted by: gem at September 14, 2009 2:34 PM

So Perry is the same hack he's always been, but through blind luck he got good performances this time. Check.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at September 14, 2009 2:40 PM

Here's how racist our culture is: It's almost 2010 and Ja Rule STILL doesn't have his own cooking show. What's it gonna take America?!!?

Posted by: BillowingBackpacks at September 14, 2009 2:41 PM

I can't bring myself to watch these movies. I can't bring myself to watch any other movie Dustin referred to, either. I've seen about 3 minutes of one of his movies and about 45 seconds of House of Payne. It's all just as depressingly awful as 2 and a Half Men, According to Jim, and all that other contrived garbage. However, Perry is a rich SOB and I would keep churning out the same crap if I were him, too. "What's that? Another movie and I get $50 million? Just let me make a few adjustments to MasterScript.doc and you can send along that cayyysh."

Posted by: Kballs at September 14, 2009 2:41 PM

The review hasn't been up THAT long, but 45 minutes and only 6 (now 7) comments... very interesting given the message delivered herein.

Posted by: S.K. at September 14, 2009 2:42 PM

Couple quick ones:

Perry knows exactly who his audience is and what formula/themes they want to see in a movie and doesn't deviate from that.

The EXACT same thing is true about Kevin Smith, but none of you assholes here at Pajiba have ever come anywhere close to calling him out on that, instead you heap endless amounts of praise on Smith's latest atrocity committed to film, with endless applause for Smith's recycling the same tired immature fart/shit/dick joke for the 10,000,000,000 time.

Perry releases his movies during specific times of the year.

This makes him different from every other director/producer/studio, how exactly? And why don't you assholes at Pajiba call out every other studio/director/producer for doing the exact same thing.

This is beyond hypocritical and is disgustingly racist and bigoted.

Posted by: Fappy Mcfapper at September 14, 2009 2:48 PM

IT BEGINS!


I'm gonna go play Farmville.

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits (aka Dangle McGee) at September 14, 2009 2:49 PM

Yo. I'm just hangin' out until Pissboy and Guess Who! show up from the weekend box-office round up thread.

Is it racist to ignore a director who appeals to a considerable segment of America’s African-American population?

I'm sorry, is there a non-American African-American population that I'm unaware of? It's OK to say black, man. It's also OK to say "black man"...well, unless you're commenting on how exquisitely well-spoken he is. In that case, you should probably just drop any racial identifiers, or the entire "complement" itself.

Posted by: pissant at September 14, 2009 2:56 PM

Tyler Perry sucks, but I'll give him this, he sucks originally. Never before has someone made a woman with a fat suit a central character in a dramedy, and while his show on TBS is about as funny as Everybody Loves Raymond, if he were white, he'd win awards, and that's just not fair.

He at least deserves reviews from more critics, Rob Schneider got more reviews for his cinematic abortions that this guy. All cinematic abortions deserve equal attention.

Posted by: George at September 14, 2009 3:01 PM

Holy crap! Pajiba trolling Guess Who!?

Posted by: uselessmale at September 14, 2009 3:06 PM

Maybe Perry will be recognized as some underground Ed-Wood-type genius in a few years.

Maybe.

Posted by: courtney at September 14, 2009 3:08 PM

Kevin Smith does NOT do the same thing Tyler Perry does. Kevin Smith doesn't need to wear a fat suit.

Oh yeah! And his comedy has timing and delivery, which, last time I checked, were a big part of comedy.

Posted by: PissBoy at September 14, 2009 3:09 PM

Jesus.
The man makes a rather eloquent case for Mr. Perry being reviewed (and explains a great deal behind why he is NOT reviewed by many mainstream sites)and you have to twist it into some "racist" nonsense bullshit.
I don't like Tyler Perry's movies because they just aren't funny to me. I don't relate to the humor, dislike the Madea character rather intensely and can find better things to watch.
Now, substitute "Adam Sandler" for "Tyler Perry" in the above paragraph and you'll see why I've never wasted a hard earned dollar seeing any of HIS movies, either.
What the fuck is it with people who come here to hate? With people who come here to (intentionally?) misread, misinterpret and misrepresent?
Nice work, Dustin. I get almost all of my movie news from this site and was unaware of the situation regarding the lack of reviews for Mr. Perry's movies until you mentioned it. Sad state of affairs but thank you for explaining it.

Posted by: Spender at September 14, 2009 3:12 PM

Perry releases his movies during specific times of the year.

This makes him different from every other director/producer/studio, how exactly? And why don't you assholes at Pajiba call out every other studio/director/producer for doing the exact same thing.

I don't think that is racist or bigoted. I believe they slight Perry for releasing his films at notoriously slow times of year. Of course, movies are strategically released(held back/push forward) all the time. But the same director doing it over and over again indicates that his films are consistently weak and wouldn't do very well with competition.

They take the same kind of shots at summer blockbusters(Transformers/Bay) because they are generally dazzling but empty affairs released to rake in money from a public that has a lot of free time on their hands. Michael Bay movies would probably do well no matter when they were released, but people expect big things in the summer. They wouldn't do as well if they were released at some other time. The same thing holds for Tyler Perry movies. He puts his movies up against Whiteout and the last profitable weekends of the back of the pack summer movies, and he cleans up. That, or what, February?

Posted by: pissant at September 14, 2009 3:19 PM

@gem...I think it comes from Zombieland.

Posted by: griffimx at September 14, 2009 3:21 PM

This makes him different from every other director/producer/studio, how exactly? And why don't you assholes at Pajiba call out every other studio/director/producer for doing the exact same thing.

That part was supposed to be in italics, too.

Posted by: pissant at September 14, 2009 3:21 PM

Probably the most lucid, sensible review I've ever read of yours, DR. Like many others, I summarily dismiss TP films as rubbish (probably because the one I did see, Meet the Browns, fit this description). Yet, by jove, you're right. Ignoring his movies is a little racist if we're going to review Kate Hudson or Michael Bay monstrosities. I actually saw the trailer for this and it didn't look half-bad. Maybe now, after this review I will see it (and having her highness, the right honorable Mary J. doesn't hurt either).

Posted by: boogs at September 14, 2009 3:22 PM

So you're going to review Tyler Perry movies because not to do so is racist? Well have fun reviewing all the new Bible crap like the Taken series because otherwise you'd be "religionist." Porn makes a bunch of money, start reviewing that oeuvre while you're at it. Even though it's only slightly less predictable than Perry. I mean we all know how it's going to end.

Posted by: OscarTamerz at September 14, 2009 3:22 PM

The Onion's AV Club reviewed this movie and gave it a B-. Interesting comments in the comment section.

Posted by: janetfaust at September 14, 2009 3:26 PM

People! Can't we cast aside the petty race cards and focus on the one thing that truly matters here? Albinos are stealing our national resources at an alarming rate...

Posted by: Skitz at September 14, 2009 3:28 PM

I think you had it right the first time, when you didn't review TP's movies. I will read restaurant reviews but I sure wouldn't be offended if nobody thought to cover the grand opening of a new Olive Garden.

Honestly, Olive Garden's food is perfectly serviceable, but it's not original or interesting or usually bad enough to require a warning. You go in there knowing you're going to get a plate of fettuccine and some salad for a decent price. Same as moviegoers know they're going to walk away satisfied when they pay for a Tyler Perry movie ticket. It's obvious. It doesn't need to be stated. So he makes a lot of money. So does McDonald's. You really wouldn't call either an artistic endeavor.

Posted by: Wednesday at September 14, 2009 3:34 PM

The point you make about Mr. Perry's movies being ignored is a good one. But I followed your link to the "., this particularly ugly and, inarguably, racist post and the subsequent comments)" and thought you lost ground. Some of the comments cross a line but if that is your big example of racism in reviews of Tyler Perry movies then at least on that front I do not see a problem.

Posted by: EricD at September 14, 2009 3:37 PM

The man has a point. I have even heard of some of these movies that have more reviews.

Extract 143 9 116 All About Steve 88 Whiteout 80 Gamer 53 Sorority Row 43 Amreeka 25 Crude 23 The Other Man 22 Tyler Perry's I Can Do Bad All By Myself 21

Posted by: faze at September 14, 2009 3:39 PM

Holy crap, I can't believe Whookie hasn't commented yet. He must have passed out cold in surprise after reading a halfway positive review of a Tyler Perry movie on this site. Come on Whookie, don't let us down.

So you're going to review Tyler Perry movies because not to do so is racist?

That's not what Dustin said at all. This site has reviewed every one of Perry's movies. He is pointing out a discrepancy in the pattern of reviews (or lack thereof) that he has seen regarding Tyler Perry's and other similar movies.

Posted by: stardust savant at September 14, 2009 3:52 PM

And that Rowles is my problem with you, your column was great, you had facts and figures to back it up. But at the moment of truth when you asked the question is the way that Perry is treated by critics racist, you said very weakly. Yeah. Maybe. Why are you so fucking cowardly at calling out racism when you see it?

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 14, 2009 4:00 PM

Somehow the title has leaked into my subconscious and I have been saying it. "Don't worry, I can do bad all by myself" etc. It is sometimes met with disgust but I don't even notice I'm doing it.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at September 14, 2009 4:03 PM

Silly me. After reading this I wanted to read the Pajiba review for "I Can Do Bad All By Myself" and went looking for it. Five minutes later I found out THIS was the review. I feel a little cheated. Don't know why though.

Posted by: EricD at September 14, 2009 4:05 PM

I saw the trailer for this movie, and I thought it had potential UNTIL the "black man dressed as a mouthy, fat, black woman" showed up. That was so jarring, and didn't fit with the rest of the movie. Why couldn't an actual black woman have been cast in that part? Or was that part even necessary to the plot?

Posted by: BWeaves at September 14, 2009 4:05 PM

It wasn't necessary to the plot BWeaves. But it was necessary to making the $100M at the box office.

Posted by: EricD at September 14, 2009 4:07 PM

But at the moment of truth when you asked the question is the way that Perry is treated by critics racist, you said very weakly. Yeah. Maybe. Why are you so fucking cowardly at calling out racism when you see it?

Probably because he didn't want to feed into your ego by validating your nonsense completely.

The point of this was never that the negative reviews were racist (as you love to claim), but the LACK of reviews. Every single one of his films have been reviewed here,and each one has done its best to be honest in their assessments. They may not like what he sells, but they at least check out the merchandise.

There had been a lot of talk about how after Diary, Perry had successfully showed the "power of the black dollar" in Hollywood. That he rewrote the rules of the game. But what really changed? Nothing. Sure you got a few more token "black" movies to capitalize on it (Something New, This Christmas, The Perfect Holiday), but that was it. Perry just counted his money, changed the word "stage" to "set" in another script, and churned out another cheap flick.

But you, you insist that the fact they aren't slobbering all over Perry's knob due to the simple fact he is black and making money on his movies, that is the greater instance of racism. In reality, by refusing to coddle the lame duck and tell him that ignorance is bliss, Pajiba has done a lot more in giving the man a fair shake than most.

So instead of starting up another rant about how Pajiba (and you never bitch about anyone else, just Pajiba) insults Perry more than white directors (they don't), you should at least consider the fact that they bother at all.

Posted by: Vermillion at September 14, 2009 4:32 PM

Vermillion you remind of Dennis Hopper’s character in “Apocalypse Now,” in Hopper’s eye’s Colonel Kurtz could not do or say anything wrong, believe it or not V, Rowles is at times wrong. Vermillion there seems to be a disconnect from what I say to what you hear, I’ve never said that Perry’s reviews were racist, what I did say is that Perry should not have to answer questions about the way he portrays his black characters and both Kevin Smith and Judd Apatow don’t, that is my only point.

And if you spent one second reading whatever it is that I write before you go off half cocked you would have known that. You seem to have a need to protect Rowles from answering questions about racism. Even Rowles has finally confessed that at times Perry’s treatment in the film industry by critics has been at times racist. I will shut my fucking mouth forever about the Perry situation if you would acknowledge that Perry has at times had to answer questions about race the way white directors very seldom if ever have to answer about race.

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 14, 2009 5:11 PM

Dustin, you raise valid points, as usual. Unholy triumvirate-love it. However, I have a minor quibble. Whiteout was screened (at least here in Kansas City) twice.

Posted by: frothygirl at September 14, 2009 5:46 PM

I will shut my fucking mouth forever about the Perry situation if you would acknowledge that Perry has at times had to answer questions about race the way white directors very seldom if ever have to answer about race.

First off, shutting your mouth is apparently impossible.

Second, of course he has had to answer questions about race that white directors haven't. That is because Perry has styled himself as serving a particular audience. So when questions about that particular audience come up, he is going to get a overwhelming share of them. I AM Sam got a lot of flack about the mentally handicapped angle; Brokeback Mountain had a lot of questions about gay relationships. this isn't new, and it isn't racism.

I’ve never said that Perry’s reviews were racist, what I did say is that Perry should not have to answer questions about the way he portrays his black characters and both Kevin Smith and Judd Apatow don’t, that is my only point.

Kevin Smith doesn't get asked about black people because he never indicated he was making films for black people. He was making them, for nerds, potheads, lapsed Catholics, and fat losers. In other words, people like him. And those are the kinds of questions he gets. Same for Apatow. Perry makes movies for black people with strong Christian overtones, because that is what he is. And those are the questions HE receives.

You keep trying to compare the two, or Perry or any other director, but it is a false equivalence. They don't make the same movies, they barely compete against each other. So to keep harping on how their movies don't get the same questions on race is ridiculous.

Third, as far as disconnects, you really need to take a look at your old work. You seem to have deluded yourself into believing that the nonsense you have spouted is in anyway logical or related to Dustin's point here. Here is my question: was your issue really that Perry got little attention, or was it that the attention he got was so negative. Because the former is possible racism, the latter is just knowing a bad fucking movie.

Posted by: Vermillion at September 14, 2009 5:56 PM

I have in my lifetime seen one Tyler Perry film, Why Did I Get Married? and frankly, I can see both sides of the coin. That being said, simply because other directors create films that are cliched and messy shouldn't justify Tyler Perry doing the same thing, at least, to an extent. While I personally felt outraged by the values Tyler Perry puts into his films, such as the major one that women need men or else they cannot change, he shouldn't be treated as a delicate snowflake because many directors do it, it's socially acceptable. Woody Allen writes films centered around white Jews and will throw in religion as well. Although the difference between Perry and Allen is that Allen is good at what he does. Perry writes dramas that try to look like comedies, instead of masterfully blending dramatic elements along with comedic ones. What holds him back most of the time is that he wants it to come off as powerful and with a message, which on this front he succeeds at conveying a message, it's just that sometimes the wrong ones are expressed.
With Married, the women of the film are all super powerful, wealthy, well educated, and yet, their marriages are falling apart. The reason, it turns out is that their refusal to acknowledge that their husband is always right and that they cannot sustain a wealthy career without admitting this notion. And quite frankly, that is a shitty message to give to any audience, regardless of which race it's marketed to. If Wes Anderson or Almodovar did that(Just two directors I adore, it's to prove a point, I swear!), I'd be put off and bothered, and I'm a white male.
So is it racist to hate Tyler Perry's films? Not necessarily. Is it racist to completely ignore his movies like the reviewers have been doing? Well, yeah, I'll agree with that.

Posted by: Kamikaze Feminist at September 14, 2009 6:49 PM

Not sure what part of my post you found racist -- a few of the comments might be, but I'm not always around to monitor them closely. It's the effing internet, you know? As for the "that's every black woman I've heard of" part of my post, okay, maybe, but still pretty mild. I was more trying to make fun of myself for being a shut-in whiteboy. I was sort of stretching for humor there, I admit. But "inarguably racist"? Really?

So I assume it was largely the admitting I haven't seen his movies part you thought was so racist and ugly. If you think that's irresponsible, fine, but I don't really see how it's racist. I'm not your average movie reviewer, I'm certainly not a mainstream one, and I don't review every movie. Far from it. I do maybe one review every few weeks. If I get the feeling I'm not going to like a movie at all, I don't review it, especially not when there are so many movies that DO look promising. I don't go out of my way to review movies I'm 90% sure I won't like, because it seems pointless to bash them. I'm not trying to actively avoid them, just being an honest consumer/reviewer. That goes for most of Tyler Perry movies just like it goes for All About Steve or Kirk Cameron movies. - i.e., I DO ignore those bland romantic comedies from the poop chute. Even Transormers 2 I only saw because I was invited on a radio show to discuss it. Anyway, I'm not going to try to prove I'm not a bigot because if that's your opinion, you're entitled to it. And I'm not trying to start a flame war, because I always respect an articulate argument. But if you're saying I'm racist because I haven't reviewed any Tyler Perry movies, I think you're off base. Lazy, maybe.

Posted by: FilmDrunk at September 14, 2009 7:35 PM

Ok Vermillion I finally understand, in your opinion racism doesn’t exist and if it does it’s the director’s fault. Check. Got it.

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 14, 2009 7:37 PM

Filmdrunk --

Well, shit: I misinterpreted "That’s like every black woman I’ve ever heard of, plus a couple I didn’t even know were black." It sounded much worse in my head than in the full context of your post. I apologize.

And no: I'm not suggesting you are racist. The post was a little ... sketchy, in particular because you know your audience and you know how they're going to take it. I know your audience -- I could've pretty much predicted those comments (no offense to your fine readers). Tolerating bullshit in comments, however, is part of running a website. I understand that.

That said: Aside from that jab, nothing in this review was directed at your site, and I didn't mean to suggest it was. It was directed at the film reviewing community, in general. I know your site; I read your site daily (I actually really liked your Observe and Report review -- I thought it was spot on). I know you don't review a ton of movies. I wouldn't have expected you to take on a Tyler Perry movie. The ire was directed more at sites that do review almost everything else, and chose to ignore Tyler Perry.

At any rate, I withdraw my comment about your post (though not about the comments -- those were harsh, dude).

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at September 14, 2009 8:03 PM

I don't watch Tyler Perry's movies for the same reason I don't watch Kirk Cameron's movies. If I wanted to be preached to, I'd start going to church again.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at September 14, 2009 8:10 PM

Perry's films don't have many reviews because his first film "Diary" was poorly recieved. He stopped screening for critcs because he "care only about the opinions about balck people." He's being a hypocrtie; there are blck film critics, show the film to them.

P.S. I don't like his work; his films aren't the problem, it's the tv shows.

Posted by: Corey W. at September 14, 2009 8:31 PM

MBD, you've hit on something with your church remark. I know the impression is that Perry makes movies for black audiences, but I think his real target audience is hardcore church-going Christians. I know a lot of white Christians (older women, mostly, think 50 and up) who think Madea is hysterical and the message is right on target. I can't tell you how many of them have recommended Diary of a Mad Black Woman to me.

Posted by: Wednesday at September 14, 2009 8:38 PM

Ok Vermillion I finally understand, in your opinion racism doesn’t exist and if it does it’s the director’s fault. Check. Got it.

Now who is misreading? For one thing, that makes no damn sense whatsoever. My point is that racism exists without you trying to drum it up in ridiculous situations. You want to make it seem like there is some conspiracy, but there isn't. It is absurd to assume that all white directors have to be accountable to black people, but the reverse isn't true. Either a director can only be responsible to his chosen audience, or not. He can't have it both ways.

Thing is, you could have brought up plenty of reasonably sound comparisons (Steven Spielberg comes to mind), but you didn't. You bring up Smith and Apatow for no more reason as they are popular with a certain crowd. Like I said: neither Smith nor Apatow are being propped up as representatives of their entire race. Perry has, and he has done nothing to earn nor counter that perception. The only defense anyone can muster for him is "he's black and he makes money". So did Buckwheat and Mantan. Doesn't mean their schtick is any more acceptable.

Racism does exist, just not in the neat little box you wish it to be. You want to feel persecuted, but that is bullshit. Nobody is keeping the man from making good movies, and nobody is keeping him from releasing the bad movies he has. All anyone is doing is saying the movies are terrible. The only reason race even entered this silly discussion is that Perry defenders used the race card to justify the horribleness of his films.

But hey, you are going to believe your little delusions anyway, so whatever. Just ponder this: if the man's movies are so bad, what is so wrong about someone saying they are?

Posted by: Vermillion at September 14, 2009 8:43 PM

Tolerating bullshit in comments, however, is part of running a website. I understand that.

Why, Dustin Rowles, what ever are you implying?

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at September 14, 2009 9:30 PM

Vermillion I said I understand where you're coming from. What more do you want? We just happen to think differently, it doesn’t mean either one of us is wrong.

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 14, 2009 9:31 PM

I hate Tyler Perry's movies, and I'm black. My parents, some of my older cousins, and all the church ladies from my parents' church all make sure to see his stuff before it leaves the theaters, but I have no interest in any of his films. Not because he's black, but because his characters piss me off. The women are shrews who just want to bring the sainted black man down. I'll pass, thanks. I wish him all the success in the world, as long as I don't have to pay for it.

Posted by: Nicole at September 14, 2009 10:23 PM

Vermillion I said I understand where you're coming from. What more do you want? We just happen to think differently, it doesn’t mean either one of us is wrong.

If you honestly believe that I was saying racism didn't exist unless it is the director's fault, then no, you don't understand where I am coming from at all.

Posted by: Vermillion at September 14, 2009 10:45 PM

@ Dustin

Yeah, I can see how you might've taken it that way. When I make a joke I know isn't very good it sort of lends itself for misinterpretation. Eh, hit some, whiff some...

Posted by: FilmDrunk at September 15, 2009 12:53 AM

V,

My only point in this whole tiresome Perry argument is that some don’t want to acknowledge that Perry has faced a certain type of racism that other directors haven’t. Do his movies pander to his audience, yes. Do his movies stereotype black people, yes. Have I ever paid my hard earned money to go see a Perry movie, yes. Perry has a built in audience that will support him no matter what he throws on the screen.

Perry is tied to his community much more so than the average director and they want to see him succeed. Within the black community the church is omnipresent, Perry has almost found a way to extend his movies all the way up to the church doors and I suspect that’s why his movies appeal to the black church going crowd.

I’m not surprised that Rowles or any reviewer here or anywhere else don’t understand Perry’s appeal to his audience, Rowles and others review Perry on the only level they know. So you guys stick with talking about Perry’s characters being stereotypes, his plots being paper thin, and his movies being preachy, but at the end of the day his movies are very successful.

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 15, 2009 7:07 AM

My only point in this whole tiresome Perry argument is that some don’t want to acknowledge that Perry has faced a certain type of racism that other directors haven’t.

Of course, at some point he has had to deal with racism. Every living, breathing American has at some point. But artistically? I find that hard to believe when he is the writer, director, and producer on all of his projects. Unless he has a split personality. Sometimes he's Tyler Perry and then the rest, some Jewish guy named Mort. Mort hates Tyler. Because all Jews hate blacks. I read it on the internet.

Posted by: PissBoy at September 15, 2009 9:19 AM

Hey PissBoy people will tolerate a gay guy, but an angry gay guy, not so much.

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 15, 2009 10:02 AM

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Posted by: Casper at September 15, 2009 10:04 AM

I think Casper just jammed his/her head into this arguement and won, hands-down. GW...I don't think either one of us can muster a good enough retort.

Posted by: PissBoy at September 15, 2009 10:15 AM

PissBoy I was only joking about my comment, I don't even know you but I respect you as a person. Sometimes these threads can get a little testy at times. Though I may say rude things from time to time, in my heart of hearts I respect you.

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 15, 2009 10:34 AM

My only point in this whole tiresome Perry argument is that some don’t want to acknowledge that Perry has faced a certain type of racism that other directors haven’t.

And my question is since when has he faced that racism here? On this particular site?

I’m not surprised that Rowles or any reviewer here or anywhere else don’t understand Perry’s appeal to his audience, Rowles and others review Perry on the only level they know. So you guys stick with talking about Perry’s characters being stereotypes, his plots being paper thin, and his movies being preachy, but at the end of the day his movies are very successful.

Once again, what is your point? Nobody here is questioning that. No one ever did. He makes terrible movies that make money. AND?

You want to make it seem like he is the only director being called on it, but you know that is not true.

If that is what you mean by racism, then you don't have any clue what racism means.

Posted by: Vermillion at September 15, 2009 10:37 AM

Vermillion I’ve given up arguing with you about Tyler Perry, if you believe my assessment of Tyler Perry is wrong so be it.

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 15, 2009 10:49 AM

I've only seen Madea's Family Reunion. Yeah, it was heavy-handed. Yes, it employed some stereotypes. Minus Madea, I get the appeal. It's not earth-shattering or avante-garde, but it's watchable and predictable in a way that makes people feel good. I assume this movie will be no different.

Posted by: bonnie at September 15, 2009 11:18 AM

Here's something to think about - a majority of black people don't care about movie reviews. In essence, the review has no purpose.

Posted by: TurtleFucker at September 15, 2009 3:50 PM

If I read this review correctly (and skip over all the clearly very spirited comments) I could summarize it thus:


"Nobody reviews these films, which isn't fair.

However, if they did, they'd say, Same Stuff. Slightly Better."


I think it's funny that in the problem-corrected world view, a bunch of guys would have to sit down at work and type out, "I saw his latest movie. It's pretty much like all his others. If you've seen any of those, well, this is like that, only there's more singing."


Is the problem that he's being unfairly perceived as churning out the same stuff time after time? Or that he's fairly being perceived as churning out the same time stuff time after time, but he happens to be black.


Posted by: karstark at September 15, 2009 4:34 PM

No one wants to review Tyler Perry films because to do so would be inherently racist. All of his films SUCK!! It's ok to say that about anyone else, but to say that about a man who clearly makes films only to appeal to black people is racist. Also, I actually kind of liked "Diary," but everything since, including the terrible TV show, has been utter shit.

Posted by: me at September 15, 2009 8:57 PM

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Posted by: Jessie at September 15, 2009 9:48 PM

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Posted by: YLG at September 16, 2009 4:04 AM

Tyler perry is racist. he needs to get it togetherrr.

Posted by: Stephanie powell at September 17, 2009 9:21 AM

This whole thread is comical to me. Clearly the people who feel all of Perry's movies "suck" just can not relate. Call me racist, but these movies aren't made for white audiences. We, "America's African American audience" are not offended by your judgements of Perry, his movies, or Madea. We don't expect you to "get it". Before Perry made movies, he wrote plays and they were very successful. It seemed only natural for the next step to be the "big screen'. As a member of "America's African American audience", I find it to be a refreshing change of pace. Contrary to popular belief, we don't all carry guns and sell drugs. Unfortunately, a vast majority of us are single mothers chasing down dead beat father for child support. With or with out the critics, we will continue to see his movies, and we will continue to support him...often seeing the same move two and three times. And for the record, Madea is integral to every movie he makes....I know...you don't get it...it's ok, we understand.

Posted by: MadeaFan at October 12, 2009 3:10 AM

P.S. There a plenty of movies made that appeal only to white audiences. We don't get them either, but we don't try to and frankly don't care to.

Posted by: MadeaFan at October 12, 2009 3:12 AM

Obviously, MadeaFan is an idiot. And it's funny the things you say you don't like in other movies with an all black cast, are the same things in Tyler's movies! It's stupid/lazy to say "you don't get it because you're not black." I'm black, I don't 'get it' either!

Posted by: brandi at March 10, 2010 5:33 PM

I disliked I can do bad all by myself...I really did. I was surprised with Brian White's performance. I admire him as an actor...I disliked him because he was a BAD character, but overall he did well. His performance was great as a bad guy. It was awkward how Brian White jumps out of the bathtub(we see his buttocks)when he was about to be electrocuted. I didn't go(Yeah, look at him)...I was grossed out. It was awkward...I hate that April(Tariji's character)cried throughout the movie. She cried too much. Tyler also wrote a play, also featuring Madea, with the same title. It had a different storyline...whatever, it was awful. I am a black person who thinks that there should be movies made to suit all people. That is just how I feel, but you can't satisfy everyone. There could be a movie that pleases one person and offends the other...that is just how things go. Now, I don't want to see a movie with black people playing stereotypes...I hate that. I hate seeing a black male being a basketball player or rapper...that ticks me off. And, but if you don't have that, if you have a black male(speaking properly, etc) then the black audience won't like it. Oh, but whites might like it. Then again, you have movies with an all white cast(for instance, scary movies)...ok, with scary movies you can have a white cast and one or two blacks...just to please black audiences. Then, suddenly, at the beginning of the movie the blacks are killed off...WOW. LIke,you didn't see that coming. Whatever...

Posted by: Lady Gemini at April 3, 2010 6:52 PM

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