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The Hills Have Eyes II / Phillip Stephens

Film Reviews | March 24, 2007 | Comments (47)


Wes Craven’s original The Hills Have Eyes became a minor cult-classic due chiefly (I presume) to its crude exploration of American myth — the fear of savages lurking in the margins of civilization, often manifested as barbarous rural folk, much like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre before it. The conspiracy of a community of monstrous outcasts against hapless commoners is an overused trope of the horror genre, so when Craven returned to the premise for an abysmal 1985 sequel, the shallowness of the whole enterprise was brought into starker relief. Outside its disturbing conceits (nuclear mutation, inbreeding, deformity), Craven’s films were essentially exploitation-slashers — an excuse for gruesomeness and violence with little discernible quality to justify them.

Last year’s remake from writer-director Alexandre Aja was a rare instance of an improvement on the original idea. His film was far from perfect, but the operatic changes in style and his idea to bolster the nuclear fallout aspect gave some much-needed weight to Craven’s original. But Aja wasn’t around for this sequel, which, like Craven’s 1985 rehashing, ejects everything from the franchise that might’ve made it interesting or watchable. Craven shares co-writing duties with his son, Jonathan, on The Hills Have Eyes II, but I can’t tell if this film’s weaknesses are an attempt by Craven at intentional irony or not; given his metafictional masturbation in New Nightmare and the Scream series, though, it seems possible. But either way, this film is every bit as stupid and pointless an exercise as its ’80s predecessor.

The Hills Have Eyes II pans out like any typical Sci Fi Channel detritus: It stars a cadre of non-talents who fulfill some vague stereotype (hothead, intellectual, badass, goofball) and has absolutely no plot to speak of. It simply moves from scene to scene and inserts monsters when necessary.

After the events of the first film, the nuclear no-man’s-land is quarantined and investigated by the army, who are setting up some kind of surveillance when the mutants come a-knockin’. Later, a team of National Guard recruits (the aforementioned stereotypes) stumble into the area and discover the resultant carnage. All of the soldiers are so narrowly, stupidly characterized that it’s hard to mount any tension or find sympathy for them, and in spite of their military training and automatic weapons, they fare no better against the spear-wielding mongoloids than anyone else before them.

Indeed, not only is the film’s narrative completely devoid of any redeeming factors, it’s absolutely, unapologetically disgusting, so much so that it actually works to the detriment of the film. Usually this is a boon in horror films, a genre that, by conceit alone, shouldn’t be for the faint-of-heart, but Hills II offers up puerile savagery for the sole purpose of revolting the viewer. It was enough to give even me pause. Usually, I’m the first Pajiban to find gore and depravity amusing, where some of my peers would deem it unappealing (or unethical!). I was thoroughly indifferent, for instance, toward Eli Roth’s Hostel and enjoyed the degenerate stupidity of See No Evil. In fact, the only film I’ve found somewhat disturbing of late was Apocalypto, which showcased Mel Gibson’s childlike reverence for real human brutality.

Perhaps it’s because I’ve been a horror fan for a long time, but I find most of these films merely detached throwbacks to our more juvenile indulgences — those “Ew! Gross!” moments of heightened sensation. Violence in horror films is seldom actually violent, but kind of comic excess that taps into our more unusual frames of mind. But the violence in Hills II — the severed limbs, gutted corpses, impaled heads, and exposed brain matter — isn’t entertaining; none of it is intended to be provocative or even funny. It’s just there because it dovetails nicely with the rest of the film’s wanton inanity; basically, it only serves to distract us from the movie’s utter lack of redeeming qualities.

It’s possible that, for the first time, I’ve begun to question my neutrality toward this kind of thing. There’s some serious nihilism going on here; director Martin Weisz and the Cravens seem to use it only to bolster their total lack of talent by highlighting the blood and guts for no reason save that it distracts the audience for the film’s otherwise deadpan stupidity. Hell, maybe it’s time I renounce my interest in this type of flick. Or maybe The Hills Have Eyes II was just an exceptionally dumb movie.

Phillip Stephens is the lead critic for Pajiba. He lives in Fayetteville, AR.









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Comments

Your review confirms my exact impression from the trailers.

Also, wasn't there a review sometime back where the comments went over the fact that Mongoloid is not a synonym for Neanderthal or primitive? Not offended (although I think the posters on the other review were), just amused that the same word came up again.

Posted by: Heather at March 25, 2007 2:04 AM

First! Dur!

Posted by: Durfus at March 25, 2007 2:05 AM

"It's possible that, for the first time, I've begun to question my neutrality toward this kind of thing."

I've been having similar feelings myself, lately. I think it started with the Texas Chainsaw remake--for the first time, I started to understand why my boyfriend hates slasher flicks/hates watching people screaming in anguish. I haven't felt any inclination to watch the new crop of carnography (Saw, Hostel, et al) when before my "horror geek" pride would have compelled me, if nothing else did, to tick them off my list.

Is it oversaturation?--have I finally just seen too many? (it only took 20 goddamned years). I've sat through them all without wincing--Last House of the Left and the original Hills Have Eyes (and personally I find Craven's earlier stuff somehow more honest than anything he's made since--call me weird), I Spit on Your Grave, Evil Dead Trap, Tetsuo II, every Italian/Spanish horror art film ever consigned to tape or disc, Cannibal Holocaust...you name it, I swear I've seen it and judged it good or bad. Yet the gore was always the least interesting part of the films; go figure. Gore was something I ignored (rather than sought out--I've always preferred atmosphere over spatter in my horror) because I was more fascinated with the production design or soundtrack or lore/mythology or film-school sociology/subtext or how-far-will-they-go? curiosity, whatever. "Neutrality" to spatter is the perfect word, Philip.

But my skin got thinner in the last two years, and now I notice not just the gore but the suffering on the actors' faces. What the hell gives?

Posted by: ranylt at March 25, 2007 10:26 AM

I used to love horror movies myself and thought of them as just games of tag on screen. My disillusionment began after watching Freddy v. Jason, when a character was injured, sent a friend for help, and then bled out and died on screen.

Not cool. Very not cool.

Now why that bothered me but not the initial murder in Scream, I have no idea, but there you have it. I couldn't make myself watch all of Saw 3; I had to keep fast forwarding through the worst parts.

Could this be a trend?

Posted by: Neil Morse at March 25, 2007 10:52 AM

I wonder if we are all giving voice to something real here?

I am an unabashed fan of the horror genre. The atmosphere, the nuance, the deliciousness of being transposed to a creepified plane we don't normally experience in real life is uber-exciting.

But I can't think of the last horror film that made me feel this primal, primitive discomfort. Is it that we are all getting older, and less comfortable with the "blood for blood's sake" emphasis in these horror films?

I want these films to scare me, not simply disgust me.

Posted by: Porkchop Express at March 25, 2007 11:52 AM

All interesting questions--this review and the comments have been comforting.

For me (and I panic, given what I do for a living), it seems to be a rupturing of the thick line that always existed between reality and fiction. For all my bravado over fictional violence, I'm always the first one to flinch squeamishly from _real news footage_ of actual violence against not actors but real live people. Unreal? I could watch anything if it was fake. After all--it's FAKE!

I think it's my fiction/reality barrier that's melting. This is bad freaking news. It's like I'm getting stupider as I age.

Posted by: ranylt at March 25, 2007 12:18 PM

I also feel a real sense of kinship, reading the comments above. I'm a HUGE horror fan. Horror films that truly frighten or disturb were rare finds (and still are); the vast majority which failed were usually at least stupid fun.

I do have a theory, though:

1) The special effects have gotten better, and now the stuff on screen looks very real, whereas in the past the monster and/or the wounds and gore and all the rest were easier to dismiss as fake.

2) It seems to me that the "new generation" of horror directors are focusing more on cruelty, sadism, suffering and fear than on suspense or simple shock/disgust. (Suspense--waiting to be scared--is, to me, the scariest part of a scary movie.) This does seem to have a powerful effect on audience members--but not an effect we want or enjoy in any way.

I don't think it's because we're getting older--or stupider. Maybe it's because we're getting smarter. Maybe age bestows empathy for the characters who are suffering onscreen.

P.S. to ranylt: Carnograpy--great fucking word, way better than "torture porn." I will be using it exclusively from now on.

Posted by: Jerce at March 25, 2007 12:52 PM

Okay, I feel better about myself now. Like the last poster said, it's like I'M getting stupider as I age, too. I used to LOVE all those campy old screw-and-spews.... Freddy, Jason, Michael Myers, the sisters from Ginger Snaps, The Howling movies, even that big dude with the bees (what movie was that? I can NOT remember. That blonde was in it and the last scene showed a picture of her with her hair all burnt off. Damn. Whatever.) I haven't watched any of the Saw movies, or The Hills Have Eyes, or Hostel, or anything made recently because.... I just can't. If a horror flick freaks the Pajiba guys out, then my lightweight ass has no business even making the attempt. I wonder if I would have liked these movies if I were 10 years younger... frankly, THAT thought eeks me out, too. I don't know what happened to me. It's like I have lost all my cred.

Posted by: Hattie at March 25, 2007 12:54 PM

Um--but when I use it, it will be properly spelled, with an h.

Sorry about that.

Posted by: Jerce at March 25, 2007 12:55 PM

...that big dude with the bees (what movie was that? I can NOT remember...

That was Candyman, with the wonderful Tony Todd and the pretty-good Virginia Madsen. Based on a Clive Barker story. I liked that one. It has at least one sequel.

Posted by: Jerce at March 25, 2007 12:59 PM

Three points for Jerce:

1. Your Theory #1 probably has a lot to do with it--nice observation re. better effects (although Savini et al have been laying it on pretty well for decades, so I will not hold back their due).

2. I'm not sure about the empathy thing--if we've felt/displayed more empathy towards others than the average person all our lives, in day-to-day matters...? But yeah, with the fiction/reality line dissolving, well-place empathy for real people seems to be more and more transposed...

3. I wish I could take credit for "carnography"! I caught it somewhere on Pajiba some time back (wish I could remember who put it forward). I agree it rocks the hell out of "torture porn" if only for sheer cleverness and near-onomatopeoic force.

Posted by: ranylt at March 25, 2007 1:32 PM

The Hills Have Eyes was loaned to me by my neighbor (she who owns damned near every DVD ever made, but somehow can't afford an actual working gate for her fence to keep her dogs from wandering out into traffic and getting mowed down by Impala's) and I was traumatized for days. The scene with the mutant assbag nursing off the young mother while holding a gun to her baby's head? Struck some chord in me that STILL hasn't quit giving me flashbacks, and required absolutely no evisceration or chunks-o-brain to do it. I almost threw my television out the window at the end, when you realize the survivors are being watched, AGAIN. The movie was disturbing, and entirely gross, but also, well... scary. Having come across posters and reviews for the sequel, I cannot work up an iota of interest in making myself sit through it. I find I avoid most flicks in the same genre these days because they do not, in fact, scare me. They merely repulse me. The violence and gore, as mentioned in the review above, is gratuitous and empty, something just thrown in in an effort to out-do its peers, the cinematical equivalent of 'my penis is bigger than YOURS', not to deliver anything of any real value to the viewer.

I thought it was just me that had grown tired of the bullshit. I'm glad to see that others have finally hit saturation (ugh, that brought an unintended mental image...) and want something different from their horror films.

Posted by: Nola at March 25, 2007 1:34 PM

You took the words out of my mouth, Nola. The initial rape/slaughter scene in the first Hills was one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen committed to film. (Not to mention it totally killed the mood at the Halloween party I saw it at). Granted, I'm not a huge horror fan, so I'm sure a lot of the previous posters could mention any number of more disturbing films, but to me there was just nothing fun about that movie. In the end, the point of horror movies is to entertain, not to make you walk around in a coma for the next 72 hours.

Posted by: Matt B at March 25, 2007 2:48 PM

I'm not what you would consider a horror fan. Sure I've seen all of the "necessary" movies (The Exorcist, The Omen, The Descent...) and I enjoyed a great majority of them. I've even seen some of the stupider horror flicks. (Jeepers Creepers anyone?) I have it in me to sit through even the worst of the blood and gore, but I don't simply because it really isn't my thing.

These days however, I do my best to steer completely away from horror films. I haven't seen a horror movie in theaters for about two years now. It's not that the disgusting bits have gotten too real, It just seems to me that all of these films have lost what made horror films in general good, or even great in my eyes. In my opinion todays movies have completely lost the "people rising up and overcoming impossible and frightening odds" (or at least trying to.) aspect. Nowadays horror films just seem to concentrate on completely unlikable people getting their shit ruined. If I want to go see some spectacular deaths I'll go watch a mindless action flick.

As for this recent problem of people no longer being desensitized to all the blood n guts, I think it's simply because all of these directors have gotten too good at what they've all set out to do. That feeling of disgust you're getting when the monster ends some chick, I'm pretty the directors wanted you to feel that. They don't care about scaring us any more, they just want to make us sick.

Posted by: Me at March 25, 2007 2:50 PM

"for the first time, I started to understand why my boyfriend hates slasher flicks/hates watching people screaming in anguish"

What in the hell is the matter with you people who enjoy watching movies that purport to show anything that can even remotely be characterized as "people screaming in anguish"? I don't care what sort of cinematographic excuses you come up with about "the atmosphere, the nuance, the deliciousness of being transposed to a creepified plane"--a form of "entertainment" that consists of graphic depictions of human beings being physically absued is appalling. I'm glad to hear that such movies have finally gone "too far" even for the aficionados. But if any sort of movie experience even remotely along these lines is what you find amusing, you really should look within yourselves and figure out what's wrong.

Posted by: csm at March 25, 2007 3:05 PM

While I don't share csm's opinion of horror lovers, I find the comments here interesting. Only because I'm a punk, and have never been able to watch most films in the genre. So to hear the stalwarts discussing their waning interest gives me pause, as it must mean that something is seriously off.

Oh yeah, I have no intentions or remote desire to see this, yada yada.

A final comment to ranylt: damn you and your expansive vocabulary. Making me look up "onomatopoeic" since I didn't know what the hell that meant. Also, for provoking me to practice it phonetically.

Posted by: Daphne at March 25, 2007 3:48 PM

did the devendra banhart song make it into the film? it made the trailer enjoyable

Posted by: brandt at March 25, 2007 5:39 PM

A few points:

1) I assumed that the 'soldiers' in the movie, from what I could see in the trailer, had to be pretty crappy, at best National Guardsmen who didn't take to the training. Looks like I was right. There is no way even a halfway trained soldier is only capable of handling themselves as well as your average slasher victim. It is sad that they used the military as some sort of lame plot contrivance, and didn't even do it well.

2) ranyIt, I was the one who brought up the word 'carnography'. It was the word used in reviews to describe the original Rambo novel, which actually had more in common with a slasher flick than it did with its action-movie spwan.

3) I have never been much of a horror fan. I have seen very few horror movies, and none of the recent ilk. I think that your recent disgust with the genre comes from both its increasing realism and its increasing falsehood. Basically, the violence itself is getting ridiculously more graphic and realistic, whereas before the gore always had a bit of fantasy in it, and the actual acts were never shown as much as they are now. And yet, with more true bloodshed, the actual stories and characters involved ring more and more hollow. Where there used to be characters you could relate to, has been reduced to cardboard cutouts.

If you think about it, Wes Craven and Scream are to blame for this. By essentially lampooning the old formula, he forced the new generation to adapt or die. But instead of developing better stories, they went the quick and 'easy' route and upped the blood-and-guts factor. And like Nola said, the genre became nothing more than impotent efforts at grandstanding.

4) csm, you really should calm down. For one thing, you are horrendously generalizing. Just because a person finds (or found) that type of movie entertaining doesn't mean something is wrong with them. In fact, the mere fact these commneters showed their disgust demonstrates that there is a line that cannot be crossed with them, which I doubt a true sicko would have.

Two, a lot of movies could be characterized as "people screaming in anguish", such as war movies, action movies, From Justin to Kelly (well, it sounded like screeches of pain to me), and many more. Quite a few well-made films have some sort of violence as a central aspect of the movie. The problem arises when the violence is all that is developed. I wager that there are a few films you like that I could reason filled that criteria, unless the only movies you watch are The Land Before Time sequels.

Posted by: Vermillion at March 25, 2007 5:56 PM

You people know this stuff is fake right? If you don't like it, don't watch it! There is nothing wrong with movies with this level of brutality and carnage being made.

The above are the typical "horror" fans responses to what you guys are saying. That stuff scares me the most. I remember watching Conan O'Brien one night and Michael Imperioli was on, and somehow they got to discussing horror movies. He said he can't even watch the Soprano's (his own show) because of the violence (which is pretty tame) compared to the carnography (great term) out today. And Conan remarked that it's weird that society views him as the weird one for not liking to watch that stuff. It's exactly how I feel about it. I'm all for the horror movies of old, and I even remember that silver computer lady at the end of Superman III giving me nightmares. But I just can't for the life of me get why people plunk down money to go see people get brutally tortured and murdered on screen. Even if it is "fake".

Posted by: Jon at March 25, 2007 6:47 PM

"carnography". fantastic replacement to the whole overused "torture porn" nomenclature.

but might i suggest a new one...

"gorno". (or "gore-no" if you're a hyphenate...)

Posted by: idot dentist at March 25, 2007 9:42 PM

I've only seen some of the major horror films, like a poster above. I honestly think I was most scared by Psycho (I can still get a little freaked out showering alone in a hotel if I let myself) and Rosemary's Baby. All the other slasher stuff of my youth was too campy to be truly scary.

I think what I can't stand about this type of horror film is that I'm essentially forced to identify with the villain. To enjoy the sheer torture is to be like the torturer, getting off on the pain, gore, and suffering. In older horror films, while you kind of root for the psycho just for the fun of it, you identify with the horny teenagers, or the babysitter alone in the house, because we have all been there. The shocks and scares are great fun and harmless because the situations are often so ordinary. We think "Don't open that door!" because we see ourselves in the characters. And yes, the special effects were cheesy enough that it didn't seem like real death.

Posted by: MaiGirl at March 25, 2007 10:50 PM

MaiGirl,

I think you make a most relevant point and I think that a film only tangentially connected to horror is a major signpost: Silence of the Lambs. While Demme's film is a superior piece of genre filmmaking, it ushered in the era of the serial killer as... what? Hero? Protagonist? I'm not sure what term I'm looking for, but Lecter became the character with whom we were to identify. One of the disturbing facts of modern "horror" (quotes because these movies have nothing to do with classical horror) is that our sympathy must lie with the mutant/deformed/insane killer.

Posted by: apocalipstick at March 26, 2007 12:24 AM

JERCE! 20 million Punk-Rock-Points to YOU, Buddy (or Lady... I dunno) for The Candyman thing. I couldn't remember anybody's name or I'd have looked it up, but searching for a movie with parameters like "That guy, that really tall guy who was really creepy that time, and also there were bees" just doesn't work too well.

Anyways, I guess I'm okay with the loss of my horror-fan cred. Because the ones out today are just heinous so I like me better knowing that I'm not cool with this shit, EVEN THOUGH it's fake. I KNOW it's fake. I just don't care because if it's EW then it's EW. Period. If They made a movie about pedophiles but it was all CGI and no human actors were used, I would still not want to see that movie, I would STILL be all horrified and grossed the hell out, EVEN THOUGH I would know it's fake. It's like my guts don't know the difference, even if my brain does. And in this instance, my guts win.

Posted by: Hattie at March 26, 2007 7:42 AM

I like horror movies, even the bad ones, and I may end up seeing this one - at home. I think what is missing from a lot of these movies is the catharsis - the moment when you identify with the victims and want them to rise up and control their situation, like, of all things, Bruce Campbell in Evil Dead II (and done rather well in the Hills Have Eyes remake when the son-in-law rises up and above his goofy upbringing to defend his child, which made it more watchable).

It's in those moments that we feel power over the things that scare us, and a belief that if we were in the same situation, we'd attack, and overcome, too.

The trouble with the more nihilistic horror films is that most people don't really have a taste for nihilism - Stephen King put it well in Danse Macabre when he pointed out that the horror film is the agent of the norm, and we expect the monsters to be vanquished at the end. The current crop of films doesn't seem to want to give us a happy ending, and while that's a powerful tool every now and then, if it's done all the time, the violence then simply becomes an exercise in endurance.

By happy ending, I mean a satisfactory resolution to the current problem, not an "everybody's fine, let's go to the malt shop, daddy-o" kind of ending. Dawn of the Dead (the original) does this very well - we don't know whether they're going to be okay or not, but a resolution has been reached.

Oh, what do I know? I just feel the heart is missing from much of the current slew of horror movies - and I say this as a great fan of the re-makes of Dawn of the Dead and House on Haunted Hill.

Posted by: elsworthy at March 26, 2007 8:36 AM

Wow. I am such a doofus. I finally got the joke in the review title. Nice.

Posted by: Vermillion at March 26, 2007 9:28 AM

Gotta agree with MaiGirl and apocalipstick (cool name) on this one. Somewhere we went from the Freddy Krugers and Jason Voorhees of the world, being nothing more than scary bad guys, to the bad guy being the hero of the tale. And simultaneous with that, the level of gruesomeness has escalated.

I'm fine with the more fantastical violence of Slither, or 300. But when the objective is to genuinely and without humor or irony or even really purpose, to show people die in agony... I gotta turn it off.

I'm never going to be one to say that it shouldn't be made - I'm in the "even bad art is still art" camp. But that doesn't mean that I have to watch it. And elsworthy makes perhaps the best part - the heart has disappeared from these movies. It's no longer about triumph over evil, or character (good OR evil). Movies like this simply take a random group of stock, useless characters, and then proceed to tear them to pieces for 90 minutes.

Where's the fun in that?

Posted by: TK at March 26, 2007 10:48 AM

I think it may just be a combination of 2 things.

1 The movies arent even the slightest bit scary
2 In a post 9-11 world (I hate the term), maybe after all the real horror and gore we all saw that day, not to mention the sense of fear we felt, we dont find it fun to feel that way any more.

Posted by: scott at March 26, 2007 12:54 PM

"-- the severed limbs, gutted corpses, impaled heads, and exposed brain matter --"

You forgot to mention the revolting rape scene. Why does that sort of thing seem to be a prerequisite of mutant horror?

Posted by: Ginger at March 26, 2007 1:29 PM

Maybe it just has to be a good enough movie to support excessive and hyper-realistic carnage.
I'm a pretty big Takashi Miike fan, but his episode in Masters of Horror really bothered me. It was just so gory and perverse and otherwise empty. What I mean is, it was disturbing for the sake of being disturbing, and while I like my horror flicks bloody, I also want a little bit of plot and character.

Posted by: missmle at March 26, 2007 1:48 PM

Ginger - yeah. Rape scenes are the deal breaker for me. And it doesn't really matter what movie it's in. I'll never see Leaving Las Vegas again, and I'm CERTAINLY not going to watch a movie like this, where it serves even less of a purpose, if any at all. Call me overly sensitive (it's not like I, or anyone I know, has ever been assaulted like that), but that's the line for me.

Posted by: TK at March 26, 2007 2:04 PM

I hate horror films, but I used to be able to watch them anyway (much like high school boys watch gooshy romances, I imagine- because the other person wants to). I have to jump on the remote every time the trailer for this movie comes on, though, because it actually turns my stomach. I think it's a combination of a couple of things already brought up in separate posts- the point of view (murderer instead of victim), the special effects, and the emphasis on torture instead of death.

It's not so much the blood, but how it's made. As Jerce said, there's much more emphasis on sadism and torture now. In Psycho and Freddy and even Scream (to cover a range of eras), the bad guy prowled around, but once he caught the person, they died, at least in every movie I saw. In these new ones, the people are not dead- horrible things are done to them while they are alive. Whereas we used to get the nice adrenaline rush from empathizing with the victim during the "chase", now we are empathizing with the victim while they are helpless and being tortured, which does not exactly produce the same result.

As somewhat of an aside, I would love to know why Kill Bill had to change the color of the blood for its trailer, because "blood-stained clothes are too disturbing", but the trailer for this movie was a-okay.

Posted by: Phaeolus at March 26, 2007 2:08 PM

I consider myself a horror movie fan but I find as I get older I just can't stomach the violent kind of horror. I love a good ghost story (I recommend "The Others" to everyone who'll listen) and I even enjoyed "Silent Hill", which had its moments of gore but was more disturbing than disgusting.

These ultraviolent movies are more like being bludgeoned than being entertained. There's no relief, no catharsis, no moment of returning to normality. It's exploitation, blood for the sake of blood, and there's no story.

Gah. It's hard to articulate exactly what feels so wrong about these movies except that they feel wrong.

Posted by: Jenna at March 26, 2007 2:30 PM

missmie,

I saw Imprint as well, and my assessment was the same as yours: violent, gory, sad, and empty. I really, really wanted to like it, since the premise was so unusual and the cinematography was stunning. But it was in essence another torture film. And the explanation of everything at the end came out of left field and was the most ridiculous part of the entire story. When the "sister" came out (don't worry, this isn't really a spoiler), I was cracking up over the low budget effects.

I don't get Miike on the whole, though, but I think most J horror has too many cultural assumptions to be totally clear. I watched Visitor Q and was totally grossed out. I know that there is some broader sociological point stuggling to be made by that film, but I didn't get it, even with the assistance of the DVD featurette. It just seemed gross and shocking for its own sake.

I know it isn't horror per se, but I loved Battle Royale enough to own it.

Posted by: MaiGirl at March 26, 2007 5:36 PM

"In the end, the point of horror movies is to entertain, not to make you walk around in a coma for the next 72 hours."

I agree completely. When I was younger, horror movies actually scared me. Even the dumb slasher flicks. I'm not exactly old at 19, but the recent onslaught of torture porn or 'carnography' is definitely making itself apparent as a new and entirely stupid trend. And it's showing up in pretty much everything - not just films like Saw and Hostel.

When I go see a horror movie, I want to be scared - not disgusted. I don't want to see people getting raped by deformed monsters. That's not 'ew, gross!' or 'ahhh!', it's just stupid and perverse. I don't want to be made uncomfortable by the film I'm watching unless it's a documentary or some similar thing.

I watched Audition and thought it was fantastic. I watched Izo (same Miike) and...okay, I didn't watch it. I turned it off after forty five minutes. It reminded me of films like this: movies that drift from scene to scene, from death to sex to death, with no plot or storyline driving it. No likeable characters. When movies are made into visual manifestations of the director's narcissistic wank-fests, it's hard to be impressed for even a second.

I don't care how accurate your prop entrails are to the real thing. Realistic-looking entrails don't frighten me, just like the use of real entrails in a movie wouldn't frighten me. It would just make me scratch my head and go, 'why the hell would they do something dumb like that'? Which is what I do anyway whenever I see that some crap like Hills 2 has been released.

Posted by: Lola at March 26, 2007 11:43 PM

I've been a fan of horror movies since I was 7 years old, but I've never once seen any of these recent carnographic movies. When I sit down to watch a horror movie, I want to have the piss scared out of me not be made to pass out or vomit from the gratuitous gore and violence onscreen. The original 'The Haunting' still scares me at night - I never sleep with my hand hanging off the bed - but watching and hearing the trailer for 'The Hills Have Eyes 2' makes me want to puke. For God's sake, there aren't even any words in the trailer, just random squishing sounds and screaming! That pretty much sums up the entire carnography genre for me - just a bunch of squishing and screaming attached to some bad dialogue to make an excuse to put this trash on the silver screen. I can't wait until this trend passes.

Posted by: stardust savant at March 27, 2007 9:34 AM

The original 'The Haunting' still scares me at night - I never sleep with my hand hanging off the bed - but watching and hearing the trailer for 'The Hills Have Eyes 2' makes me want to puke. For God's sake, there aren't even any words in the trailer, just random squishing sounds and screaming! That pretty much sums up the entire carnography genre for me - just a bunch of squishing and screaming attached to some bad dialogue to make an excuse to put this trash on the silver screen. I can't wait until this trend passes.

Posted by: stardust savant at March 27, 2007 9:35 AM

I just watched Poltergeist 1 & 2 again the other night, alone, in a dark house, while babysitting. It scared the crap out of me and I loved every second. Saw and other carnography movies? Make me look away from the screen just appalled and I'm not scared, I'm ...nauseated. I don't feel that thrill, that fear of 'this could happen to me' I just feel wrong for watching it and wishing Michael Myers (Halloween) would just come kill everyone involved and be done with it. No Halloween, that's a movie that doesn't mess around.

Posted by: TWoP Fan at March 27, 2007 3:49 PM

I enjoy horror films, but have never seen any of this recent crop of 'carnography' (great phrase, btw), they just don't appeal. I think it's the fact that it's less... fun, now. I still enjoy my old horror favourites, where it's campy, and impossible and gloriously bad and the violence is so badly done and over the top it's almost funny. It's not the gore that bothers me, it's never been that. It's not the violence. I think it is now that it's too 'real', that these films are no longer being made for entertainment but to shock and traumatise the audience.

I never went to a horror film to be traumatised. I went to have a few 'safe' scares and giggle at the awful plot.

Posted by: Caitlin at March 27, 2007 5:13 PM

The Hills Have Eyes remake was one of the most disturbing recent films I have seen. And yet it was technically one of the best produced, written and directed horror pictures. I was impressed by the technical quality of it. Overall, I have mixed feelings about it.

But the reviews I've been reading for this sequel: I can't tell if the reviewers are disgusted by it, or if it in fact is a "worthy" follow-up to the first one.

Posted by: scotty at March 27, 2007 7:17 PM

I still have no problem with gore, sat through Wolf Creek, all the Saws, the first Hills have Eyes, Hostel et al and none of them gave me pause.

It like somebody (sorry dude, can't remember your name and can't be arsed to scroll up and look) said above: I know it's fake therefore it doesn't bother me.

I don't have any particular theories as to why people are becoming more bothered by gore in movies other than the fact that there's simply more of it. It's escalation - you see the same effect with books centering on crime: thirty years ago murder was shocking, then it became old hat - the audience had read it before - so authors moved on to serial killers, from there serial killers with a sexual motive and then on to killers with a sexual motive targeting children. Horror movies are doing the same thing with levels of gore and motivations of the "bad guy" - from guy stalking the streets looking for revenge through to someone completely fucked up who gets off on the pain he inflicts, films have to get more twisted to get a rise out of an audience. Only I think in this case the industry has moved too fast for the audience - give us a few years to catch up and it won't affect us any where near as badly as it does now.

That aside: I do have very specific horror buttons that once pushed render me incapable of watching a movie without having my head buried in someone's shoulder. My main one is possession - I can't watch anything with a possessed person in it (especially a kid) even the beginning scene of constantine scares me rigid and I walked out of the room ten minutes into the Exorcist, before the kid even got possessed - just because I knew what was coming. The other button of mine is suspense, films like the Others just paralyse me for some reason.

Posted by: Alex the Odd at March 28, 2007 8:07 AM

Kind of a very personal theory, as it applies to me and might apply to others, but I'd be loathe to issue it in a general sense:

the crazier/scarier/sicker the real world is, the less likely I am to watch movies such as this.

Since about oh, 2000 or 2001, I just haven't been able to stomach them.

In the 90s? Bring it. I could watch horror flick after horror flick, because, while there is always horror in the world (it's not like it took a hiatus in the 90s), things GENERALLY seemed ok then.

Now? Not so much. So no thanks. All I have to do is pick up a paper or watch the evening news or cruise a few websites to be sufficiently disturbed and appalled.

Posted by: Kathy at March 28, 2007 10:55 AM

Oh, but oddly, I have developed a real love for Alfred Hitchcock movies in the last few years. True escapism, lots of suspense, and you really have to think during the movie. Believe it or not, before a couple of years ago, I had never seen a single Hitchcock film. I caught Rear Window on PBS one night and was unable to move the entire time.

After that, I rented every one I could get my hands on. Now THAT is some good filmmaking.

Posted by: Kathy at March 28, 2007 10:59 AM

The original 'The Haunting' still scares me at night...

Oh, FUCK yes. No blood, no monsters or ghosties, no special effects at all, in fact--that is one scary-ass movie!

Another oldie that scared the pants AND socks off of me was 'The Changeling' starring George C. Scott. 'Course, I was a kid when I saw it, so it might not work so well on a grown-up...Still, when the little boy had the nightmare about a child "coming up through the floor" I was nearly convulsed with fear. I'll never forget that movie.

Posted by: Jerce at March 28, 2007 4:09 PM

Good call, Jerce. I watch The Changeling about once every year or two--I'm 30-something and it _still_ gives me goosebumps. They seriously don't make them like that anymore.

Reminds me: this past summer I was in an old heritage-house museum (19C wealthy village homestead) and saw the Changeling wheelchair in one corner of the attic! My friends and I to the last man stood and gaped and backed slowly away. Laughing, sure...on the outside, maybe.

"Jo-Seph!"

Posted by: ranylt at March 28, 2007 5:01 PM

The violence and gore in these movies has little affect on me. I watch these movies without feeling sick to my stomach. I think this "new" direction is just a way for the modern directors to give the audience something new. The new style is to be cutting edge and graphic. It is extremely common to see the same themes used in television and other forms of media. The problem with this approach is that the plot is usually sacrificed in order to scare or gross out the audience. Also, high price special effects usually means that the quality of the actors/actresses goes down a few notches.

Posted by: Matt at April 8, 2007 10:51 AM

This thread is totally fascinating. I've felt like something was off about these movies for years, but assumed I was alone, as everyone else seemed to be fine with them.

My thing was always horror novels, not movies, but I do have a theory. 9-11 did change things, but so has a lot of what's come out as a result of that--the war in Iraq, the Guantanamo prison tortures, etc. There not only seems like there's more violence in the world today than ten years ago, but the callousness and brutality of the violence (on all sides) has increased.

Quite honestly, I feel that the horror of 9-11 was too quickly harnessed to drive the momentum for war, forcing people to go without a chance to organically integrate that tragedy. And I feel that the trend for this dark, empty sort of horror movie is an attempt to get a grip on the wretched feelings that most of us have never actually had a chance to work through, from all the events of the last 6 years.

I think a lot of people subconsciously feel that the world is becoming more truly horrific, and one way to deal with the anxiety that produces is to take control over your own intake of horror. That's been the purpose of scary stories since the beginning of time--only the specific fears change. If you can choose how and when you'll be traumatized, you can still feel in control of your world. In extreme helplessness, child abuse victims sometimes do this, to feel like they have some control over what happens.

Problem is, it's an imperfect solution. At some point, the unadressed anxiety will get too great, or become something too nihilistic to voluntarily subject yourself to; or you'll develop the desire to deal with the fear in another way; or you'll just burn out and lose the ability to stomach it.

Not saying anything against anyone, it's just a theory I had.

Peace.

Posted by: Vi at April 10, 2007 5:12 AM

I've found it difficult to enjoy horror movies as a whole of late. The music cues what is about to happen, the excessive gore is unneeded.... what ever happened to using one's imagination? We don't need to see the brain matter to know someone has died. I have to agree that I also feel the added violence and gore is an attempt to hide a half-baked, thrown together plot. The shame of it is, the writers and producers don't seem to notice that it's not working. How does society wake the movie industry to the fact that there IS a such thing as too much?

Posted by: Beth at August 22, 2007 7:35 AM


















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