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Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix / Daniel Carlson

Film Reviews | July 13, 2007 | Comments (136)


It’s a sad irony that as the books in J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter series have grown more complex, the movies inspired by those books are becoming gradually less so. For this and several other reasons, the fourth film in the series, 2005’s Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, still stands as the best film so far because it happened to land at the pleasing confluence of plotlines that were accelerated on the page but truncated on the screen: While necessarily omitting some of the finer details of the novel, the movie managed to retain both the spirit and structure of the book while also standing on its own as an accomplished film. And though Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is by no means the weakest film in the series — those honors fall squarely on the shoulders of the second film, which is nigh unwatchable — it has regretfully slid past the point of skilled adaptation and become instead a breathless recapitulation of as many of the book’s events as screenwriter Michael Goldenberg and director David Yates can pack into 138 choppy minutes. There are still many good moments, though, and between all the harried exposition and frantic bustling about from one brief scene to the next, Harry manages to hit puberty, deepen his friendships, contemplate his destiny, and develop a personality. But the jewels here are scattered thinly among the rocks, and while devoted fans of the series are likely just to be jazzed about seeing their beloved characters on the big screen again, anyone unfamiliar with the books’ inner workings may be hard-pressed to follow what’s going on.

Each successive entry in the series has gotten darker, and Order of the Phoenix wastes no time on pleasantries, diving through the black sky to find Harry (Daniel Radcliffe) idly killing time in a park on summer vacation, bullied by his cousin, Dudley (Harry Melling), when a pair of ghostly Dementors attack them and attempt to siphon off their life force. (Don’t ask.) Harry saves them both with the aide of his magic wand, an act that gets him briefly expelled before Dumbledore intervenes at Harry’s disciplinary hearing and has him reinstated. Rowling’s intention in the series of events was to highlight Harry’s solitude and increased willingness to break the rules in certain circumstances, as well as to show how overreaching the government of the underground wizarding society has become. But Yates can only hit the highlights, and so while Minister of Magic Cornelius Fudge (Robert Hardy) used to be a political figurehead succumbing to the paranoia of his office, he here comes off as merely a strong nuisance. Harry’s expulsion was a radical (albeit temporary) upset in Rowling’s typically rote stories, which always begin and end with the school year, but what in the book was a confusing and drawn-out process that mirrored the emotional changes of the hero is now just a blip on the way to bigger and better things.

In fact, the strongest parts of the film are those that focus on Harry’s emotional development, as he enters the dog days of being a teenager, complete with sullen outbursts and a propensity toward anger. Like everyone else his age, Harry is beginning to question what he views as the holy unfairness that’s been visited upon him that’s surely greater than anyone has ever suffered before; teens are not big-picture people. Harry’s desire to fight back against the world that’s attacking him and the adults he perceives as betraying him becomes the story’s emotional through-line, hidden though it is among a narrative that rarely takes a moment to rest and develop the characters. The titular Order of the Phoenix refers to the secret group of wizards who have banded together to fight back against the Dark Lord Voldemort (Ralph Fiennes), among them Harry’s godfather, Sirius Black (Gary Oldman), a caring mentor who’s given far too little screen time. When Harry returns to Hogwarts, he finds that the Ministry has installed one of Fudge’s cronies, Dolores Umbridge (Imelda Staunton), as the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher in an effort to persuade the students that there is, in fact, no Dark Lord to worry about. Umbridge is the perfect late-model Potter villain, the kind of sweetly psychotic teacher every student faces at one point in their career, but just over the edge enough to remain fictional. Umbridge’s slow accrual of power and habit of torturing her students is a dark turn for the series; for the first time, the school that was Harry’s sanctuary from everything else is being used against him, and it drives him to create his own band of students and train them in the kind of defensive magic that the grown-ups are refusing to share.

In all honesty, though, I’m having a terrible time trying to do justice to even a summary of the plot, since it’s fairly complex and is so abbreviated that much of the movie feels like the trailer for a much longer and more thorough film. Goldenberg was saddled with trimming several hundred pages into two hours of screen time, and while he does an admirable job at retaining much of the book’s story, ultimately he tries to cram in too much. The scenes where Harry and the other students are training themselves in magical attacks are wonderful, full of light and wonder and the kind of subtle chemistry between the characters that’s taken years to generate on screen, but I always found myself wishing they could last just a bit longer. Harry’s best friends, Ron (Rupert Grint) and Hermione (Emma Watson), are flirting with the idea of flirting, but their interactions are often cruelly underplayed, as if Goldenberg and Yates decided to settle for showing the briefest scenes possible in hopes that merely having the characters on screen would communicate the depths of their burgeoning relationships. But it all happens so fast, too fast for any but the most ardent fan to feel satisfied with the short shrift given to character development, which is a shame, because Radcliffe, Grint, and Watson are finally beginning to raise their acting game, perhaps encouraged by the presence of what seems like every major British actor in the supporting cast. But Harry’s enemies feel like rough sketches, placeholders for villains to come, and while the dialogue and frenetic pacing lead us to believe that Harry’s facing some major obstacles, they’re all dealt with so swiftly it’s hard to get worked up about it, even as the film builds toward an intense battle between good and evil wizards at the finale.

Order of the Phoenix lacks the strong cohesive flow of its predecessor, Goblet of Fire, and not merely because that film marked Rowling’s first foray into actually providing a solid structure for her story and external goals to match her characters’ emotional struggles. Yates’ film is a near-success, and in the course of its race to the finish line there are still moments of joy, sadness, and emotional truth that set a new bar for the series. But Yates doesn’t invest enough time and energy in the characters to arouse feelings of true happiness at their successes or sadness when some are lost forever. Order of the Phoenix is the film where Harry Potter finally starts to grow up, but if you blink, you’ll miss the whole thing.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Comments

Couldn't agree more. Although is there really an acceptable alternative? Make the movie longer (too long) and people would complain. Make it two movies and people would complain.

It's quickly becoming clear, though, that Harry Potter movies are like Harry Potter sparknotes. You get the gist, but lose out on pretty much everything else.

Posted by: Eleanor at July 13, 2007 3:31 PM

Word. Word to the wordieth power. I couldn't agree more. It's not terrible but it just isn't good either.

Do these directors know that the stuff in their film is going to affect the later ones? Because, as of yet, they don't really seem to.

Posted by: Christin at July 13, 2007 3:32 PM

I agree with this review, but like the commentor above me, I don't see any alternative. You couldn't really make this a three hour movie, and you need to have the relevant plot points that will be touched upon in the next two films. I had read somewhere that they were planning on cutting Kreacher (Sirius Black's house elf) out, but were told by J.K. Rowling that he will be important and needs to be in there.

I thought it was a decent movie, and the person I went with who hadn't read the books also enjoyed it.

I'm just worried about the next movies, as the books keep getting longer, forcing the filmmakers to cram more and more into that 2 hour timeslot.

Posted by: Patrick at July 13, 2007 3:34 PM

Brilliant review; you completely articulated what I've been thinking since seeing the movie. It's not a bad movie, but it could have been greater. Ron and Hermione were relagated to what seemed to be cameo roles, and the editing was quite dreadful. I'm a bit nervous, since Yates will also be directing "Half Blood Prince." Let us hope he gets his act together.

Posted by: jk at July 13, 2007 3:35 PM

I'm still psyched. Besides, how many actually good, or even just decent, book-to-film conversions are there? All I can think of right now are Hi-Fi and Azkaban, the 3rd Harry Potter. Seems like it's just too hard to do for most directors, or with most books...
Who's with me?

Posted by: Gabrielle at July 13, 2007 3:41 PM

Interesting review, the book this was based on was my least favorite in the series! I'm not surprised that the movie was a little disappointing as well. The second movie is the worst for sure!!!

Posted by: Songkla at July 13, 2007 3:43 PM

i would love to see an extended version a la LotR for at least the most recent two movies. it would be wonderful to have included much more of the detail of the novels, because there are always some truly wonderful little vignettes in each.

haven't seen this one yet, but i'm still looking forward to it.

I agree with Eleanor that the movies are like sparknotes. which is fine for the fans, because they can fill in the detail (or bitch about the lack of it until they're all blue in the face). but it seems like all the noting that the movie can be confusing for non-readers might be off-putting to them, even though i imagine it's possible to still enjoy the movie without having read the books.

eh, just a thought.

Posted by: liz at July 13, 2007 3:45 PM

...much of the movie feels like the trailer for a much longer and more thorough film.

This is exactly how I felt when the movie was over. I turned to the person that I saw it with as we were standing up and said "I hope that they release the rest of the movie on the DVD."

Bang on review. I'm glad that Pajiba is never caught up in the fawning over a movie just because it exists.

Posted by: Cassie at July 13, 2007 3:48 PM

That is almost exactly what I thought about the movie when I saw it on wednesday. Good review. I still enjoyed the movie, but it really did not compare to the Goblet of Fire.

Posted by: Erin at July 13, 2007 3:50 PM

add me to the posters who agree that there is no alternative... I keep saying "remember, this is a middle movie." It's a middle movie moreso than any of the others- the school year ends but there is nothing to wrap up, no movie-long event like the Goblet of Fire had, no singular rise of an evil character. It was a book and movie setting up what comes next, and I think above everything else, it was damn beautiful to watch.

Posted by: lilianna28 at July 13, 2007 3:52 PM

everyone here makes really strong points...this is the first fairly critical and critically fair review i've read. bravo to you for this.

call me crazy but i really do love me some harry potter. and, i will love (likely) every semi-good film adaptation. i guess i sort of am "fawning over" the movie because it exists....but i'd be sadder without the option of seeing these books come to the screen. it could have been better sure, but i'll take what i can get.

Posted by: danae at July 13, 2007 3:59 PM

[i]...the fourth film in the series, 2005's Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, still stands as the best film so far...[/i]

I seem to be one of the few who disliked the fourth movie. Granted, it wasn't as terrible as the second, but I found Goblet of Fire completely lacking in keeping to the novel. Rather than outright ignoring half of the plot, Yates and his posse at least attempted to hit everything, even if it did come off as slightly rushed.

I wish they could bring Alfonso Cuarón back for the sixth and seventh films, because Prisoner of Azkaban is by far the best of them.

Posted by: Mary at July 13, 2007 4:03 PM

I pretty much agree with everyone. I felt that with the immense amount of character development and subtle intricacies of the book the director just decided to make it visual appealing which I believe it was.

My biggest disappointment was abrupt end after the fight at the ministry. My Fiancee has never read the books yet he felt he was able to follow the movie although he did occassionaly ask some clarifying questions.

Hopefully the second book will be better since it's a shorter book and focuses mostly on character development and filling in the backstory of characters

Posted by: natalie at July 13, 2007 4:04 PM

I, for one, really liked the movie. And even though I agree that it ws far too short and many, many details were left out, after pondering of what exactly could be made better, I came to the conclusion that if they altered and elongated one detail, Yates and Co. would have to do the same to other details, in turn making the movie 3+ hours.

I was also very pleased with the acting of Radcliffe, he's come a long way.

Posted by: agent scully at July 13, 2007 4:07 PM

I guess I'm going to go against the grain here and disagree.

I have read each book at least twice and just rewatched movies 2-4 before seeing this one. I thought that for the time given, it was quite well done. There were things included that I was sure would be left out, ie: the weasley twins comic relief (though brief), some plot lines and even Kreecher, given that house elves have been absent since the 2nd movie, the centaurs, etc. I keep hearing how great the 4th movie was, but honestly it grates on my nerves everytime I see it. The dialogue is terrible, many scenes are way over the top (the dragon and harry battling it over hogwarts? please), Hollywood crap, questionable casting in some cases (Karakoff, Fleur), and I thought it was an unworthy follow up to the style of the 3rd film. What a difference a director makes.

I felt that the actors and dialogue have come a long way in the latest film. Some actors were grossly underused (Gary Oldman, Helena Bonahm Carter) and many scenes were cut quite short, but any subsequent films in the series are going to be cliff notes at best. These are long books we're talking about. Anyway, I left rather pleased with the result. Hmm, to each is own I guess.

Posted by: savoyeve at July 13, 2007 4:16 PM

I've been somewhat-to-very disappointed with all the movies, Cuaron's excepted. I'm going to see this one without having read the book, and am curious to know if that will make a difference.

Posted by: TK at July 13, 2007 4:21 PM

As a lot of you are saying that there really isn't an alternative... I agree but only somewhat. I don't have a problem with cutting material (it certainly works better than the slavish devotion Chris Columbus showed to every little detail which sapped any feeling out of the first two films) but what makes the third and fourth films better is that they compensated with wit and/or increased sense of atmosphere.

Mike Newell made the decision to turn film 4 into a thriller and he stuck with it. Yeats is trying to get slapstick (with Filch) and thriller (in the Ministry) and the inconsistency doesn't work.

This film makes cuts but shows a desperation to shoehorn in material that should have been cut. I would rather Tonks and Kingsley be cut entierly than just appear and be useles.

Posted by: Christin at July 13, 2007 4:21 PM

To be fair, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm going into it with the knowledge that can't help but suffer from "middle book" syndrome just as the book did. It's usually more common with trilogies than...um septologies?...but still, it's hard to find a middle book/movie that's better than the first. The Empire Strikes Back is the exception to the rule, but George Lucas' stories were a lot thinner than what Rowling is doing.

I'm content with the fact that while it will undoubtedly have the flaws you mention, the hardcore HP fans I know have loved it for the most part, so I'll probably enjoy it and then re-read the book just in time for the last one to come out in a week.

Posted by: telesilla at July 13, 2007 4:22 PM

Great review, Dan.

Blink-182 reference? Nice.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at July 13, 2007 4:27 PM

Azkaban was the best in the series.

Goblet of Fire annoys the hell out of me for the sheer fact that they left out important elements which made for a nonsensical series of events that followed and they piled them on, one after the other, from the first scene up to the end.

And I gotta tell ya, the books are getting longer so I don't know how they're going to make that shit work.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 13, 2007 4:30 PM

This book was my least favorite in the series. It was way too long. I don't mind reading a long book, but most of it was completely unnessecary. While it wasn't the best film in the series, for me that goes to the third, they did a great job of streamlining a far too bulky story line. I have high hopes for the sixth, it's my favorite in the series, and they shouldn't have too hard of a time condensing it.

Posted by: Victoria at July 13, 2007 4:37 PM

Actually, Half Blood Prince is at least 100 pages shorter than Phoenix. According to press releases, Deathly Hallows will also be shorter than Phoenix, though longer than the other installments.

Posted by: superEdna at July 13, 2007 4:49 PM

I'm in the Mary camp. ;)

Posted by: savoyeve at July 13, 2007 4:58 PM

I HATED Goblet of Fire. I found it interminable and yet lacking everything from the book that made it enjoyable or poignant. This film is based on my least favorite book in the series (Shut UP Harry), but I'm sure it cannot be nearly as bad as the dreckful Goblet of Fire. Prisoner of Azkaban was a tremendous achievement of narrative and visual artistry. Far and away the best film. God bless Cuaron.

Posted by: redbeaniegirl at July 13, 2007 5:02 PM

Order of the Phoenix was (and will remain) the longest book in the series, and from what I've read/heard, it was the least well-received by fans & critics alike when it was released.
Why they decided to make the shortest film so far out of the longest book is beyond me. Count me in, however, with those who think they did a great job with what they had in this film. I enjoyed it and felt that the only thing that would have improved it would have been to leave it longer (and to have more scenes at 12 Grimmauld Place, those were the best parts of the book) - I have never heard anyone complain about a Harry Potter movie being too long - if it's a good movie, people will stay in the seats. Know what I mean?

Posted by: Kolby at July 13, 2007 5:11 PM

okay, i'm glad i'm not the only person who disliked goblet of fire. it's my least favorite of the series, with azkaban being my favorite. still, this movie was wonderful, i thought. there's only so much you can include when you chop 800 pages down to 2 hours. i agree that one bit was very, very glossed over (when a certain character, uh, leaves in the end) and didn't carry enough emotional whollop behind it, but other than that? top notch. but perhaps i'm just fawning.

Posted by: betsy at July 13, 2007 5:18 PM

I'm in the pro-Cuarón camp myself and think it was a much better movie than GOF. I like the new movie better than GOF as well.

While I agree it did go by too fast, I much prefer having all the major plot points in there rather than taking things out and changing things around to suit some lame "blockbuster" movie stereotype (word to the person who mentioned the overlong and completely ridiculous dragon scene in GoF).

I WAS disappointed in the ending at the ministry. I'm not going to spoil it, but there was a part that was supposed to have deep emotional impact and the way it played out was almost a non-event. I think Yates was going for shock value, but it just didn't work for me.

Posted by: Emily at July 13, 2007 5:20 PM

I admit I'm no fan, having read none of the books and seen only the first film, but I took my little sister to see it Wednesday. She was of the (evidently popular) opinion that it just breezed through everything, and for my part, Sirius' death happened so fast I wasn't even sure if he'd actually been killed or just seriously (Siriusly! Get it!?) wounded.

Posted by: melladior at July 13, 2007 5:40 PM

Emily- if I understand you correctly, I think you're speaking of the scene with Dumbledore/Harry in his office talking about the aftermath. It was a very powerful scene in the book, and it does mean a lot for the story; however seeing how they changed the object of Harrys grief, it makes total sense.

Posted by: agent scully at July 13, 2007 5:44 PM

What redbeaniegirl said. Bring back Cuarón!

Posted by: Gaby at July 13, 2007 5:48 PM

Hmmmm...this book was my second-least favorite (Chamber of Secrets still wins the prize, in both book and movie), so I doubt that I'll enjoy it as much as the others.

And I'll join the Cuaron camp, and say that his adaptation was by far my favorite and the truest to the book. GoF was truncated too badly to really help non-readers understand, while PoA was shorter and more woven together.

Posted by: bonnie at July 13, 2007 5:49 PM

Christin: Please, please, it's Yates not Yeats. Believe me if Yeats were alive and directng this picture, it would have a lot more subtlety, although Harry would be unrequietedly in love with Hermione who would be a dangerous revolutionary against the Ministry and have crazy blonde hair. Anyways...

Posted by: PaddyDog at July 13, 2007 5:50 PM

Agent Scully - I was actually talking about Sirius, which I was not going to spoil for people, but then the person who commented right after me said what happened, so whatever.

I understand why they took out the long exposition-y scene between Harry and Dumbledore and didn't really have much a problem with it, though I think they could have talked about the prophecy a bit more than they did.

Posted by: Emily at July 13, 2007 6:00 PM

I have to jump on the disliking GoF bandwagon. To me it felt like what Daniel's saying about this movie: it just tryed to hit the main points in a very episodic style. I really enjoyed watching OotP; it and PoA are the only ones where I've been able to divorce them from the books and just enjoy the movie.

I think the disagreement comes from which characters I enjoy; the students around the main three. They were almost completely absent from GoF, in OotP everyone had a presence and, even if it was only a look, the characters were spot on.

Posted by: Karyn at July 13, 2007 6:01 PM

I totally agree with Liz. As son as I walked out of the theater I hoped aloud for a longer "extended version" or "director's cut" a la Blade Runner, or LOTR. Some of my most favorite book scenes were not included at all! Sad!

One can only hope.

Posted by: Claire!!! at July 13, 2007 6:06 PM

Thank you. Saw the movie with a group and was the only one who had anything negative to say about it. Overall I thought the film was to compressed. Anything important enough to bring up was smashed into a scene and as few sentences as possible.

And the books only get more complex from here. Maybe it's time they start pushing closer to the two and a half/three hour mark.

Posted by: Harborwolf at July 13, 2007 6:12 PM

I agree that this movie was not as good as PoA or GoF (i'm in the Cuaron camp, by the way - best movie by far). All the big things mentioned bother me, as well as some little things (Dumbledore calling Voldemort the Dark Lord?!?!?!). The biggest disappointment, as always, is not enough Snape. His story parallels Harry's so well in the books (Harry mistakes Snape's motives just like most people mistake Harry's motives), but Snape gets about 5 minutes of screen time per movie. I think this will really hurt movies 6 and 7. Plus, I was crushed when I realized we weren't going to see Alan Rickman and Gary Oldman go head-to-head in the big Snape/Sirius confrontation scene. That would have made the movie - hopefully they shot it and it's a DVD extra.

Posted by: Wendi at July 13, 2007 6:14 PM

I agree with pretty much everything above. The one thing that I am sad about is Ron's character! Eliminating Quidditch from the movie makes sense because there really isn't room for it. But in the book Ron became prefect and (eventually) had a lot of glory on the Quidditch field, and NONE of that was in the movie! I think the development of Ron's character is really important, and all of his good moments have been completely left out of the movies, while Hermione gets to keep all hers. It's unfair.

Posted by: Lizzle at July 13, 2007 6:24 PM

This was my favorite book in the series, due to the presence of Sirius Black. Gary Oldman by far doesn't get enough screen time.

Since I didn't read the comments above, I don't know if this has been suggested, but what about turning it into a miniseries, BBC Pride and Prejudice style? Or, what would have been really cool, is a seven year television show, each year slowly developing what happens in the books, making sure to cover all the intricate plot points.

Dan, I agree wholeheartedly with you on the review. I went to see this Tuesday at midnight, and despite Gary Oldman's tour de force, I was disappointed. I can only hope that Cuaron directs the final chapter, because I feel that he presented the best cinematic version of Harry Potter.

Posted by: Rachael at July 13, 2007 6:33 PM

Admittedly, I'm a huge fan of the Harry Potter books and I've definitely been branded an encyclopedia on the manner. Needless to say, I thought this movie was the worst of the lot - everything happened too quickly and nothing was explained, and there were plenty of inaccuracies. I really could go on forever, but I wont.

Good review, Daniel. You've put it in far better terms than I could have ever done.

Posted by: Dita at July 13, 2007 6:35 PM

*matter. I swear I learned English in school.

I guess I'm not done:

But everyone complaining about the Ministry scene - you're all amazing. The best part of it was easily Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy (he really is great; it's sad to see him completely looked over in the films).

Also, they should have stayed true to canon when it came to Sirius' death (I can hardly mark this a spoiler). Sirius was dueling with Bellatrix -- they were cousins, which makes the whole scene pretty fucked up -- and she does not Avada Kedavra him. If you go back and read that passage of Order of the Phoenix, you'll find that doesn't happen. It's a fine detail, but I feel (and many hardcore HP fans out there agree with me) that it's a detail that shouldn't of been fucked with so dramatically.

I found everything up until that point in the movie tolerable. When they got to the Ministry, I was excited and thought that maybe Yates could redeem himself. How very wrong I was.

Posted by: Dita at July 13, 2007 6:45 PM

Radcliffe, Grint, and Watson are finally beginning to raise their acting game, perhaps encouraged by the presence of what seems like every major British actor in the supporting cast.

I can't wait for appearances by Helen Mirren and Ricky Gervais. Maybe a Dame Judi Dench and a Sir Ian McKellen, as well. That would be almost too meta for me.

Gabrielle and bonnie, I'm on Team Cuarón, too!

Posted by: Bianca Reagan at July 13, 2007 7:03 PM

Nope. Completely disagree. I thought it was fantastic. Sure, it had some flaws, but I think this is the best movie of the series by FAR. I loved it.

Posted by: kate the great at July 13, 2007 7:07 PM

Haven't seen it yet, but I'm at least hoping that they got Bellatrix right, that's the one character I've been waiting to see. When they announced Bonham Carter I felt uneasy 'cause she doesn't fit physical type, or project "menace".

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 13, 2007 7:09 PM

The change to having Bellatrix kill Sirius pissed me off, too, though I was rather pleased with the movie as a whole.

Rowling can spin a plot and she can create interesting characters. She has a tin ear for dialogue, IMO, and doesn't know when to quit hammering home her points. Each book has had one extremely annoying aspect, beginning with Harry being little more than the Prime Expositionary Device in Sorcerer's Stone, and ending with the utterly POINTLESS and neverending paragraphs about "snogging" in Half-Blood Prince. So in some ways I actually appreciate the movies more than the books. I like the fact that they haven't cut out existing plot points in order to insert new ones (I'm looking at YOU, LotR: The Two Towers).

But I have to wonder if Rowling has really sat the directors down and said, "look, this part here needs to stay or you're going to be screwed in the future movies." We never heard the whole prophecy. We never learned why they're tricky things, those predictions of the future -- that got cut with the character who said it.

The next two will be interesting to see. I think they'll have their work cut out for them, trying to backfill the story.

Posted by: Wednesday at July 13, 2007 7:24 PM

The change to having Bellatrix kill Sirius pissed me off, too, though I was rather pleased with the movie as a whole.

I really think that may be a JK thing for all those Sirius lovers out there who keep saying he is not really dead and will come back.
Not gonna happen.

I actually had to see this a second time today.
The first time I was just ~meh~.
Kinda disappointed.
Could have been I've gotten to old to sit though a midnight movie....I just kept thinking "Jesus, will this never end?".
It was much better with a second viewing, not the best movie, but I did really enjoy it this time.
It does suffer from the whole "middle book" curse and OOTP is not the best of the series.
DH is not a big Potter fan and he was able to follow the story.
The high points for me were more Snape then normal, Lucius in leather (man, what wizard and actor), Bellatrix was made of awesome and Lordy, mack daddy Sirius in his velvets and pimp coat.

Posted by: Jules at July 13, 2007 7:50 PM

completely disagree with you....though I do support the belief that #2 is the worst film

Posted by: will at July 13, 2007 7:50 PM

I'm just tickled shitless to know that BarbadoSlim reads the Harry Potter books. Delightful.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at July 13, 2007 7:56 PM

@ Rachael: your idea about the 7 season tv show is so good that it is already being done with a series of books far more complex than even Harry Potter: George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series (GREAT books, if there are any fantasy fans out there.) Anyway, I heard they are making the series into a tv show, where each season is a book, and each episode is a chapter.

Posted by: Carly at July 13, 2007 8:11 PM

OK so I literally JUST walked in the door from seeing this, and I gotta say I really really enjoyed it. I'm a HUGE HP book nerd just like I was a HUGE LoTR book nerd and I really felt they were foing for the same thing here....hit the major plot points with nods to the book fans (God, I love Tonks).


Yes it was rushed, and yes Harry's a whiny teenager and yes, PoA was by far the best of the movies. GoF failed to hold my interest, but is a good solid movie.


All that being said, I haven't been so engrossed in a movie in a long long time. I've seen az million clips and backstage interviews from OOTP and yet I still got fully sucked in.


I also think we are getting a lot of emotional investment in Harry within this film, which is going to make it so much sadder when he is killed in the last one (right?) :)

Posted by: vaguelyamish at July 13, 2007 8:12 PM

I'm just tickled shitless to know that BarbadoSlim reads the Harry Potter books. Delightful.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at July 13, 2007 7:56 PM
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Funny story, I bought Azkaban for my nephew and started reading as I waited for Mrs. Slim as she tried on shoes. Had to go back and buy 1 and 2, and yadda yada yadda here we are...hehehehehe. If anything I like being thorough.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 13, 2007 8:13 PM

I may be the only person in the world who would say this, but Order of the Phoenix was actually my favorite book of the series. Harry was as annoying as he could possibly be, but I have never actually liked him much anyway. I think he's the lamest of a pretty sweet set of characters. I think the presence of Umbridge made this book particularly interesting for me--I mean, god damn, the woman is pure, sugar-coated evil, and reading about their struggle with her (so much less physical than with Voldemort, but in a way so much worse) was almost painful. I wanted her to be alive just so that I could punch her in the face, and the twins' rebellion in the book was just so satisfying.

I thought the movie was fine, and while the actress who played Umbridge did pretty well, there just wasn't the time for her to really get under your skin the way she did in the book--and that vindicating moment was so much less cool when it just seemed like a little fireworks show that you could see at Disneyworld.

Personally I thought the end battle at the ministry did make up for a lot of things--pretty epic if you ask me.

Oh, and hell yes, I would jump on the "Bring Cuaron back" boat. I thought that it was the best movie by far, and I would actually put the first and the fourth at the bottom of my list. The second wasn't good, but at least it didn't drag on forEVER with the exposition like the first one. And the fourth one consisted of almost nothing except the three stupid tasks. Whoopdiedoo.

Posted by: Jenna at July 13, 2007 8:14 PM

I enjoyed the movie, but felt like there should have been more. I'm glad that there was a lot of Lucius Malfoy at the end, but there definitely was not enough Snape. He had better play a major role in the next movie, only because HBP demands it. HBC had very little to do here as Lestrange, and I suspect she is being saved for the next two.

If it's true that Kreacher was kept in the movie at the insistence of Rowling, then this definitely confirms my suspicions that he has one of the Horcruxes.

Umbridge as played by Staunton was very creepy and I think that she was probably the only villain that was fleshed out. Had it not been for the earlier movies, the dread of Voldemort and Malfoy would just not be there.

I have hope that the last two will be the best movies if only because the ultimate resolution of the series will be known, and proper foreshadowing will then be incorporated in HBP.

Posted by: Nicole at July 13, 2007 8:46 PM

Little Children was a fantastic adaptation of book to film. Movies that can tell the story as good as the book are few and far between. The Milagro Bean Field War was also great.

Posted by: javdo at July 13, 2007 9:13 PM

I, like jenna, loved OotP. Every time I re-read from the beginnning, I begin counting the pages to the Order. I also believe as nearly everyone does. The movie moved like a runaway freight train. It almost felt like it was made as a different movie entirely and then someone threw in a whole bunch of HP quotes and said "now it is a Harry Potter movie!" And where in the hell are the rest of Weasleys!!! I am outraged (as if the multiple exclamations don't let you into that fact).

I have to say my biggest disappointment was the confrontation between Voldemort and Dumbledore. I mean honestly I was expecting something along the lines of Luke vs. Vader and ended up watching something like Luke's cousin thrice-removed who had Down's syndrome vs. Voldemort's club-footed mentally retarded half-brother. Disappointing to say the least.

Overall the movie was good, but god, make it as least as long as PotC: At the End of the World. A little more exposition would have gone a long way.

Posted by: ScarletKnight at July 13, 2007 9:27 PM

Good review. Phoenix was may favorite Harry Potter movie so far - but, then again, so was the novel ... but Oldman was perfect, and most of the rest of the movie was fine too ... just a little too short ... http://paullevinson.blogspot.com/2007/07/harry-potter-and-3-d-phoenix.html

Posted by: Paul Levinson at July 13, 2007 9:44 PM

Good review. Phoenix was may favorite Harry Potter movie so far - but, then again, so was the novel ... but Oldman was perfect, and most of the rest of the movie was fine too ... just a little too short ... paullevinson.blogspot.com/2007/07/harry-potter-and-3-d-phoenix.html

Posted by: Paul Levinson at July 13, 2007 9:44 PM

What I liked, and what Yates has copped to, in the foreshadowing that's in *this* one. They give Ginny and Neville some, even at the time-cost of other things I'm sure, but I was impressed that they thought "we *have* to bring these two forward", with Ginny becoming so important in HBP (forcing a return to quidditch as well? get around that one, Kloves) and Neville being the sleeper important character some think will become nearly as important as Harry in the finale (he's the prophecy alternate, after all).

Ginny keeps looking at Harry and is shown that her wand can beat your ass. I was terrified she'd get pushed mutely to the back again. Woulda loved, loved, loved some more Tonks, but I'm glad Lupin got some time, including the climax.

One thing I noticed is that all the actors, young and old, seemed to know they had little time and little to no dialogue and they worked their asses off to make up for it. Everyone in the frame is acting, even Maggie Smith out of focus on the right going "what the HELL?!?!" during dinner. It just really struck me, the notion of "I've got my face and about seven seconds to tell you this". Knowing the book's omniscience helps of course, but I could see the words I knew happening. All the mood swings, shame and deep concern go by fast, but they're there. Rupert Grint has a great moment, and it's just a tiny moment, after one of Harry's dreams. The kids really have kept improving and nothing in here made me wince at bad line/bad delivery.

My one true gripe: leaving out THE WORST DATE EVER. Goddamn did that scene ring true. The book's so paranoid and maddening and doomed, but the date in Hogsmeade, for a respite, was agonizingly funny with what happens when you actually talk to each other and.... Even Mary Grand Pre's little chapter heading illustration put it perfectly. "Wow....this........sucks!"

Posted by: Jay at July 13, 2007 9:46 PM

does anyone else get the feeling that Kathy Bates would be the PERFECT Umbridge?!?!!? i remember pictureing her the whole time i read the book. im seeing the movie tonight, opinions to follow shortly thereafter

Posted by: MAx at July 13, 2007 10:05 PM

Re: Kathy Bates

I seem to remember her being attached to this at some point, or maybe it was just some wishful thinking on fansites. Anyway, it's NOT the first time I have seen it mentioned.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 13, 2007 10:09 PM

Well for me there is never enough Snape. I agree that some of the casting here is brillant. Alan Rickman is so dead on. Jason Issacs makes Lucius more than just bearable (remember he has no qualms (sic)about murdering Harry a kid) he makes him delicious and so fine. Gary Oldmans Sirius is so good that its painful. I had tears in my eyes as soon as he came on knowing what was to come.
So the movie itself was good. How do you put 800 + pages on screen in a movie for kids? The books are for the FINE details. I must say though, Sirius death should have been much heavier. (he is just about the only adult left in his life)

Posted by: way2manykids at July 13, 2007 10:18 PM

Just wanted to say also there is a rumor that only British(Welsh and Irish count) actors will be cast in major parts. If you IMDB you will see this to be true, Even people I thought were American turned out to be British. This also explains Naomi Watts as Narcissia Malfoy. Another rumor but I think she would do well.

Posted by: way2manykids at July 13, 2007 10:29 PM

As a HUGE HP nerd, I can only say that I loved, loved, loved this film. I understand that important plot points were left out, but I honestly did not care as I watched the characters grow up (Radcliffe's acting has definitely improved) and develop their own personas. It might have been my excitement, but while the editing was choppy, it didn't feel very rushed to me at all. I loved Rupert Grint's acting: for once, Ron isn't just the "comic relief," he's a loyal friend (right after Harry's dream). And I was staring in awe at the Ministry battle. Dumbledore v. Voldemort was craaaazy epic. And I too, am jumping on the disliking-GoF bandwagon. It was just...meh. It felt like too much of a "fantasy" HP movie, whereas OotP was just so much more...real. If you can call waving wands and dark lords real. But hey, that's just me. I almost choked up at the *SPOILER* flashback Harry had while Voldemort was posessing him, the one with memories of him and Ron and Hermione. It was one of the best moments of the film!

So I politely agree to disagree with Pajiba's review (but I still love this place nonetheless) because as an enormous fan of the books, I couldn't have been more pleased with the results. These books have been with me since age 8; ten years later, I'm still in love with the characters and for it to be imagined on-screen...it's just the greatest thing!

Posted by: Corinna at July 13, 2007 11:01 PM

Way2manykids: Write it as many times as you wish, but Irish will NEVER count as British.

Posted by: PaddyDog at July 13, 2007 11:20 PM

This book is the reason why I stopped reading the Harry Potter series. It made me dislike Harry, and to all those many, many people who said, "oh, but that's the way teenagers really act. It's so realistic!", I don't care. I don't like whiny, self-absorbed teenagers in real life, I certainly wouldn't choose to read about them in my free time.

I used to be a Potter fan, and just can't muster up the interest to read any more of the books.

Posted by: Phaeolus at July 14, 2007 12:06 AM

I just want to know where to buy some of those wonderful kitten collector plates of Umbridge's. That was a brilliant touch. I'm totes gonna be her for Halloween this year.

I echo the calls for more Snape, please!

Posted by: Whiskers at July 14, 2007 12:07 AM

I really think that may be a JK thing for all those Sirius lovers out there who keep saying he is not really dead and will come back.
Not gonna happen.

I have to disagree that this was cleared up by Bellatrix' use of the avada kedavra curse.

Avada Kedavra, we were shown in Goblet of Fire, kills instantly, with no agonal spasms or pauses.

Did anyone witness Sirius' death in the film? Not only does he NOT die instantly (it takes a few seconds for him to fall back into the veil, and only AFTER he turns to look at Harry in shock), but then later, Luna makes that blatant reference to Harry about things you care about having a "funny way of coming back--even if it's not in the way you expect."

I am not convinced Sirius died a "true" death. Perhaps the same power (love, apparently) that saved Harry from being killed by the curse, had some measure of protection for Sirius. Honestly, even J.K. Rowling said that there was a character who will enjoy a reprieve in the last book. I guess we'll find out in just over a week. I don't buy her attempts to through fans off the scent.

Time will tell. And if I'm wrong, it was still a wonderful movie and a great series of stories.

Posted by: Espy at July 14, 2007 12:10 AM

Not that the screenwriters had an easy time, this being the longest book in the series, but the film OOTP moved along at such a frenetic pace, I think my boyfriend (who is not a fan of the series and hasn't read any of the books) was lost at some points. Not that it wasn't refreshing to see the Dan, Rupert and Emma finally become comfortable in their roles.

Posted by: myrika at July 14, 2007 12:11 AM

This is my favorite HP film so far. I thought the editing was quite good, considering how quickly it had to move through the story. The scenes where Harry is being "possessed" by Voldemort had some creepy imagery that seemed to really set the stage for the last two movies. I thought Imelda Staunton was very good as DU, even if she's far too attractive and is missing the toadlike attributes from the book. I agree that Sirius' death was glossed over--it's so devastating in the book. And while I did read the book, it was two years ago, so I wasn't amped that certain things were left out since I don't remember every single small detail. The movie seemed to get the gist of the book quite well.

I definitely agree with some posters that GoF was weak--talk about crappy editing--it just jumped from one scene to the next in a workmanlike way (though not as bad as Columbus). And the casting of some of the students from the other schools was really bad.

Posted by: Grace at July 14, 2007 12:22 AM

I'd watch it if it were two movies, simply in order to appreciate the depth and subtlety that is chopped out along with so much of the story from the book. While the book was weakest of the six published so far in terms of story, it was as consistently strong as the previous four characterwise, and that suffers in the movie. I can accept the absence of the cleaning of Grimmauld Place in the summer before the school year, the appointment of the fifth-year prefects, etc., but Harry and Cho's disastrous first and only date was an aspect of their relationship arc whose absence was jarring, and since the movie altered the story to make Cho the source of Umbrage's discovery of Dumbledore's Army, rather than her friend, while simultaneously absolving her of it because she was given veritaserum, the end to their brief courtship was simply vague, and will make Harry and Ginny's relationship in the next film all the more confusing for the uninitiated. We also didn't the get with the two-way mirrors (Which reportedly will play importantly in the seventh book), the relationship of Tonks to Sirius and Lupin, etc.

I really wish they'd make it longer or chop it in two in order to let it breathe.

Still, it was entertaining.

Posted by: sva1994 at July 14, 2007 12:45 AM

how can anyone stand radcliffe's acting?

even a simple smile seemed unconvincing,and the scenes in which he was supposedly frightened or felt threatened were ridiculous.i feel that the character has grown,but the actor hasn't-i beg for people to not let him off that easily.and i have nothing against the guy,it's just that seeing him filling potter's shoes so inadequately bugs me a bit.

Posted by: al at July 14, 2007 12:52 AM

According to a 2003 interview with Rowling, Sirius Black is "definitely dead."

Last year, she also told at audience at Radio City Music Hall that Dumbledore is "definitely dead."

Posted by: superEdna at July 14, 2007 1:18 AM

I saw this last night and loved it. Despite seeing it in a theatre full of teens who were laughing in all the wrong places. I was praying they would not keep the line from the book when Ron and Hermione asked how Harry's first kiss was. Oh, the wrongness.

The film did feel slightly rushed, but I was impressed they at least tried to fit in all the important plot points and characterisation, unlike no.4 which sacrified story for extended periods of action and special effects that weren't even in the book.

All in all it felt coherent and like nothing major was missed. I have a feeling, though, that when I see it again next week with a friend who has never read the books, that there will be a lot of whispered explaining to do. I agree with previous posters who said they could have made more of Harry's grief over losing his godfather, but I thought the same thing after Cedric's death in no.4. Editors don't seem to like that wishy-washy emotional crap!

The girl playing Luna did a great job. She came across as rather wise and deserving of Harry's respect, more so than the flaky nutcase described in the book.

I even got to enjoy Imelda Staunton as Umbridge. In my mind, Umbridge has always been Dawn French. I thought Ms. French would do the sweet, malignant evil and toadiness so well. That was before she played the Fat Lady in no.3, of course.

One small thing that really bugged the trainspotter in me is that Harry is supposed to have messy hair, dammit! Didn't like the short back and sides at all. The long haircuts that they all had in no.4 were kinda cute.

Posted by: WhinyDancer at July 14, 2007 1:30 AM

Goblet of Fire was the worst movie of the series. Prisoner was my favorite until I saw OOTP. Someone said that Sirius didn't die. Uh, yeah he did. Jo said a couple of times in interviews that he is dead. Thinking about it, I think Sirius's death was done right in the movie. It's supposed to be "What the hell just happened?" Jo set out to have him die in a way that made no sense: like watching someone get hit by a bus, except there's no body to bury with Sirius. She doesn't dick around with death: when you're dead, you're dead.

Posted by: Katie at July 14, 2007 1:52 AM

Two words: Citizen Fudge.

Like a few others, I didn't really care for Goblet of Fire, and am putting Order of the Phoenix firmly in my favorite of the series right next to Prisoner of Azkaban. Yes it moved through the plot quickly but I thought they did it well considering how many details that will be relevant to the final two books had to be crammed into a two hour movie. Goblet of Fire to me seemed choppily pieced together, especially the first twenty minutes. While OotP is no where near Cuaron's film, it did a good enough job with character and story development without being bogged down in details the way Columbus' films were. And oh yeah, the fight between Dumbledore and Voldemort? Teh Awesome.

Posted by: McGeek at July 14, 2007 2:06 AM

completely agree with your review!

Posted by: Liz at July 14, 2007 2:19 AM

Yeah, about the Sirius thing - in the book, Bellatrix merely Stunned (red light, read the fucking passage) him and did not use the killing curse (green light). After that, he fell through the curtain/veil/whatever you want to call it and that probably killed him. Like I said earlier, it's a really minor detail, but I think it's pretty significant.

Posted by: Dita at July 14, 2007 6:04 AM

The first two Potter films were OK, the third really good and the fourth was simply fantastic.
I actually watched 'Goblet of Fire' a few hours before I went and saw 'Order of the Phoenix' and couldn't see any drop in quality, action or enjoyment. OOTP was just as fantastic as GOF. True it could have been longer, but it was only 12 minutes shorter than GOF.

I have seen some reviews state that it seemed that the magic and fun was missing from this film. However I think they missed the whole point of the film. All the magic and fun has been drained from Hogwarts and turned into a dark and dangerous place, intentionally.

The film was, as it was supposed to be, deliciously dark and brooding.

Posted by: John at July 14, 2007 9:58 AM

I must first pre-empt this with that I am NOT a HP fan. I worked in a bookstore, and forced myself to read the first book. It was like trying to pull teeth- not the genre I enjoy. I do, however, enjoy the movies as an afternoon distraction.

So when I was forced to go to an opening night showing with a group of friends (who are all, on average, 5 years younger than me) I decided I would handle it by having a few margaritas beforehand. This made the movie WAY more enjoyable for me.

First of all, the dudes (spoiler alert? eh, you've probably read the book anyhow) that were chasing after HP with the gold masks and black capes reminded me of General Klytus from "Flash Gordon". So when I started singing "FLASH, AAH-AAAA, dun dun, HE'LL SAVE EVERY ONE OF US!" my friends looked very annoyed at me and no one got the joke. (anyone? anyone?)

Then, when he was having flashbacks of Voldemort, they looked very Shakira-esque as in "Whenever, Wherever" video. I giggled at that one too.

I don't think I should see these movies in the theater anymore. The actress playing the Luna Lovegood character was great, tho.

Posted by: big red at July 14, 2007 10:25 AM

Though I thoroughly agree with most of this review (especially the part about the Trio raising their acting game--something which most people don't seem bothered to mention), in reading the comments I feel there is one thing I must interject.

While the second movie was a bit painful, Prison of Azkaban was ABOMINABLE, and by far the worst of the series. Though Cuarón is inarguably a talented director, his talents clearly lie in visual portrayal, as opposed to character development. PoA was a gorgeous film, but it lacked any and all sentimentality for the characters.

He could have taken five minutes to show certain aspects of the book that would have cemented the viewer's attachment to the characters. The scene where you first see Harry's Patronus in all its glory was an insult. Having lost both my parents at a young age myself, that scene holds a certain special significance for me, and seeing it on the screen had me in HYSTERICS. Of course, that is because I had read the book. I had gone to see the movie with a group of friends who had not read any of the books, and as Cuarón and his screenwriters did not bother to explain WHY that scene has significance, they were all sitting there wondering why I was blubbering all over myself. A friend who later read the book admitted to blubbering over that very part, thusly uniting us in wondering why the hell it had been left out.

In a word, PoA SUCKED.

I certainly hope they DO NOT bring him back for the seventh book adaptation. Using him in the first place as the director for the third was in direct opposition to the essence of Rowling's books. Rowling's books are character-driven. Rowling's talent as a writer is in characterization. She can take a single line and suddenly a static character is a fully-fledged PERSON (Neville anyone?). So while her plots may be a bit derivative and the moral undertones a bit trite, her characters feel like real, rounded people and that's what makes her books enjoyable.

Newell and Yates did fair jobs with characterization. However, whoever takes on the seventh book adaptation should be someone with a clear understanding that while plot's important, you'll only give a shit if you love the characters.

Posted by: Nora at July 14, 2007 11:01 AM

I went on opening night, and the theater was packed with adults. The vibe in that theater was very good - the crowd even CLAPPED at the end!

I left the theater feeling good and that this was now my favorite of the series. As a little time has passed, I can recognize the flaws - mostly too short, scenes too short, plowing forward too quickly - but I still think this is one of the better HP films. While too much was left out (I definitely wanted to see more of the Order, especially Tonks, more Gary Oldman and more Alan Rickman), each individual scene was crafted well and beautiful visually. I liked the changes they made to the Ministry of Magic sequence and the way they changed Sirius' death. The fight between Voldemort and Dumbledore was awesome - I was leaning forward in my seat the whole time. And Umbridge, oh Umbridge - Imelda Staunton captured her so well. And the kitten plates were portrayed brilliantly!

As for Goblet of Fire, UGH. I can barely sit through it or the second film.

Posted by: Kristin at July 14, 2007 11:36 AM

Posted by: big red at July 14, 2007 10:25 AM
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Sounds like you had QUITE a few margaritas, hehehehe.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 14, 2007 12:08 PM

I don't really like any of the movies - the HP books are much more my style.

BTW, kudos for quoting Blink-182 in your title. I am not really a fan of theirs, but the particular song you quoted is a great one.

Posted by: Ariel at July 14, 2007 12:11 PM

"The scene where you first see Harry's Patronus in all its glory was an insult. Having lost both my parents at a young age myself, that scene holds a certain special significance for me, and seeing it on the screen had me in HYSTERICS."

I know what you mean. I was grown up when my dad died but he was still the one who could help me when I really needed it. Thus the whole father-becomes-the-son thing, Harry brandishes the crap out of his wand, as Brad Neely would say, and releases the giant patronus tears my shit right up. Starting with POA and onto this one, you've reminded me of my annoyance that there is STILL NO STAG. I was hoping for Amelia Bones to bring it up at the hearing. I mean, at least they've brought the animal aspect in, and given the DA their correct animals, but I want Prongs! It's just really confusing why they're not using that.

Posted by: Jay at July 14, 2007 1:34 PM

Referring to the comment above, first of all I'm very sorry for (both) your losses, but I couldn't help but remember when Sirius was dueling Lucius and Harry was helping, and Sirius blurted out "Good, James!" I thought it was a nice touch :)

Posted by: Corinna at July 14, 2007 2:13 PM

Order of the Phoenix is the film where Harry Potter finally starts to grow up, but if you blink, you'll miss the whole thing.
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You said it best. It's very good in some parts, but it lacks cohesion, it's a patchwork--and it's breathless. I mean how damn fast did that go? Breackneck pacing. They didn't linger too long on any one scene did they?

Posted by: Amelia at July 14, 2007 2:15 PM

"Order of the Phoenix is the film where Harry Potter finally starts to grow up, but if you blink, you'll miss the whole thing."

You said it best. It's very good in some parts, but it lacks cohesion, it's a patchwork--and it's breathless. I mean how damn fast did that go? Breackneck pacing. They didn't linger too long on any one scene did they?

Posted by: Amelia at July 14, 2007 2:16 PM

I enjoyed this one, but I agree that it felt rushed. It's actually the only one of the HP movies that actually have a theme (love) and I felt that that was done well, but I kept thinking, "Holy crap, we're there already?" Still, it did get some tears out of me. The "proper family" line had me bawling. Damn you, Gary Oldman's awesome acting!

Posted by: Viorica at July 14, 2007 5:36 PM

My favorite was Azkaban, but I think Order of the Phoenix is my new favorite. Phoenix was the weakest of the books in my opinion, with little plot motion in the first third of the book, so this film's story seemed much less compressed to me. And I really appreciated the fact that the filmmakers credited us for knowing who is who and what is what enough to not waste time rehashing or explaining. It's about time that the movies were made for the initiated. Forget the dunderheads who didn't read the books and found the film "difficult to follow." They are unworthy.

Posted by: dood at July 14, 2007 6:18 PM

Just got back from seeing it. Hmmmm right up there with Azkaban. Loved the Luna character and HBC rocked the Bellatrix.

All it needs is special edition DVD with all the stuff they left out for the hardcores.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 14, 2007 6:22 PM

Really? Everyone thinks the third movie is the best? Azkaban was my favorite because it introduced my favorite character, Siruis. But I thought the movie was kind of cheap and too loose with the chronology, not to mention the cheese-tastic freeze frame of Harry on the Firebolt at the end. But I generally agree with the review, this movie was as good as it was going to get without being too long for non-fans (I, along with other fans, may have been happy if each sentence was represented in the film, but, of course, thats just impossible).

Posted by: KTuls1 at July 14, 2007 7:15 PM

Paddydog... I am not sure what you are saying. I am 100% Irish (hence the way2manykids thing). So I am clear on the differences myself. It is just an internet rumor that the leads go to British, Irish, Welsh and Scots. So far it seems to be true. Maybe to set a certain tone? I don't know. Didn't mean to piss ya off or anything. sorry Now lift a pint it's all ok. ;)

Posted by: way2manykids at July 14, 2007 9:35 PM

Paddydog, strike that. After grilling (and I mean grilling) my mom she cops to the old man having French, English and Icelandic (sic)? no Irish in him so I guess that makes it just about 50% Not on good terms with the old man so its all new to me. Just wanted to be honest.

Posted by: way2manykids at July 14, 2007 9:57 PM

I actually thought they managed to include a lot more in this movie than in Goblet which, to me, felt gutted and rushed. I really liked Phoenix and yeah, sure, it would've been great to get more of the book in there, but I thought they did a much better job with this one. It's probably second to Azkaban which is still my favorite.

Posted by: chriso at July 14, 2007 11:42 PM

"Weasley is our king!!!!"

[group shudder at the omission...]

Posted by: idiot dentist at July 15, 2007 1:49 AM

"I actually thought they managed to include a lot more in this movie than in Goblet which, to me, felt gutted and rushed...."

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No kidding, now it's even more obvious what a HORRIBLE movie Goblet really was.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 15, 2007 8:56 AM

I may be the only one, but I very clearly saw Harry's Patronus as a stag in both PoA and the new film....

Posted by: Kolby at July 15, 2007 10:55 AM

Corina, I totally loved the "good one james!" touch, I wonder if a lot of people will miss that since it was such a fast moment. I thought this movie was extremely entertaining and I love love love sirius....dammit that he has to die so soon. Helena B. Carter was awesome as bellatrix, her witch laugh was - I have to say this - off the chain. Hehe. Umbridge was great too, very creepy and annoying . Not to mention the special effects were fantastic, and is it me, or is Neville getting kinda hot? The only thing that was really lacking for me was any real freaking interraction bet harry ron and hermione. They barely had a conversation except for "hey what are we doing now?" kind of stuff.

Posted by: dinka at July 15, 2007 2:06 PM

Way2manykids: You didn't piss me off. I simply see it as my obligation to point out that Irish people are not British whenever that all too common misunderstanding occurs. I'm sure it seems petty to most people, but it's important to me and many of my kind. Not in a "we're going to bomb your asses" kind of way, just in an anti-imperialist way. BTW: Happy Belated Bastille Day to the French part of you.

Posted by: PaddyDog at July 15, 2007 5:33 PM

I might just be easy to please, but I look to the books for my HP fix, and the movies for whatever subset of scenes they can squeeze in. I thoroughly enjoyed this one, although I would have loved to see more Sirius and more Tonks.

And movie #4 was where Emma Watson was seriously overacting ... I'm glad she toned it down a bit in this one. Umbridge rocked, Lucius rocked, and Helena was a decent Bellatrix.

I'm just glad this comment thread didn't have any book 7 spoilers. I would have killed someone. Then again, I have my trust placed in the Pajiba mods to squelch that kind of thing really quickly. :-D

Posted by: jdrago at July 15, 2007 7:49 PM

My biggest complaint with this movie was that it was too pretty. I've felt that about a lot of the fantasy novels being turned into movies these days. I would even argue that LoTR was too pretty in a lot of places, but then I would probably have to spend most of my time ducking as fan boys and girls hurled their pewter dragon sculptures at me.

Anyway, from the characters to the sets to the special effects, everything was gorgeous, and grand, and seemed to have no reason to be. This is a totally dorky contrast, but it's like how Carrie is freakier when set to a "normal" background, so that that one girl everyone picks on, and that you know, could just snap one day and burn everyone in the school alive. Same thing with these magical/fantasical movies. One thing I've liked about HP is that even the magical world is. . . like us. They have stupid red tape, buildings falling apart, whatever.

I also didn't like what they did to Luna. That's not to say I didn't think she gave a good job, I just imagined her more like the nerdy girl with three pigtails in the Wonder Years and less Children of the Corn.

Ah, I'd forgotten all about Margaret Farquhar, lover of bats. I can't believe Kevin thought the secret-friends thing would work. Jeez, I'm actually getting sad all over again. Crap. -- DC

Posted by: Rowen at July 15, 2007 7:53 PM

Spot on, review, as usual.

I've had to return to the book again just to get the taste of the movie out of my mouth.

Posted by: xanthippe at July 15, 2007 8:34 PM

Spot on review, as usual.

I've had to return to the book again just to get the taste of the movie out of my mouth.

Posted by: xanthippe at July 15, 2007 8:34 PM

So, did anyone else notice that they totally ditched the HP theme music? Did I miss it? What's up with that? WHAT IS UP WITH THAT I ASK!!!!

Also, I just want to register a complaint about the whole series of films - no Peeves! Because he has been erased we didn't get to see the Weasley twins yell "Give her hell for us, Peeves!" as they flew off into the distance. ROBBED.

Posted by: Katharine at July 15, 2007 9:17 PM

This is my favorite book of the series so far, and now it is my favorite movie. I loved every minute of this film, and it was markedly better than GoF, which was ridiculously horrible (a mosh pit at the Yule Ball? the dragon scene? the mutilation of the third task? etc.). Also, I don't get why people fall all over themselves to praise Cuarón's PoA; this movie far outstrips that one, in my opinion.

Posted by: Aryl at July 15, 2007 9:46 PM

I give that movie a 1.5 stars out of 4. The movie
was so slow, and nothing happened during the
school year. It was very hard to follow, and
many details were missing that was important. J.K. Rowling said that the two-way mirror is going to come back in the 7th book, but it wasnt in the movie. The movie was incredibly boring until the final battle scene. Throughout the movie it seemed as though the kids just suddenly got to places. Like, how did they get to hogsmeade? And did they just walk into the Ministry of Magic without anyone caring? There were no scenes of the brooms landing, they would just be in the air, and then you'd see them on the ground. The editing was mediocre at best, and the scenes of the end with harry seeing his memories on the ground in the department of mysteries were incredibly stupid. It seemed as if Harry didnt do anything during the school year. This was a very dull movie, and darker than the rest. Do not take young children to see this movie. There was nothing defining about this movie. I wish Alfonso Cuarón would be directing the rest of the movies because the 3rd was definitly the best.The best part of this movie was that it was funny at times "boys, just because you can do magic doesnt mean that you can whip out your wands". I think this is the worst movie of the series, even worse than the 2nd. DONT GO TO WATCH THIS MOVIE

Posted by: steven spielberg at July 15, 2007 11:04 PM

...the second film, which is nigh unwatchable -
ya make me so happy, Daniel. I'm with redbeanie girl, too. I love Cuaron, bring him back!

Posted by: demondoll at July 16, 2007 12:31 AM

First: to the person who stopped reading the series after OotP - how disappointing for you. Obviously, Harry was a complete jerk the whole way through the book, but that's the point! It's pivotal to him realizing that he's not bad and he needs people in his life. And it's the reason that, while the first read-through was excruciating - I think OotP is one of the best & most important books in the series.

Second: to the person who said "the scenes of the end with harry seeing his memories on the ground in the department of mysteries were incredibly stupid". How else do you suppose they should have shown that scene from the book? I was pleased that they figured out a way to do this, since it seemed impossible to me.

Overall, I agree with what many said regarding leaving things out. I wish Harry & Dumbledore had had their post-Ministry fight. I *hated* the Avada Kedavra part (it's instant!!)and I wished for more character lines (one kiss does not a relationship make; Ginny - say something!).

Despite all this, it is the best movie so far for me. Like another poster said, you have to really feel for the characters to get into the movie. I was genuinely concerned once they got to the MoM, even though I knew what was going to happen. HBC was a fabulously creepy Bellatrix & the girl who played Luna was so perfect I would think she really *was* Luna.

Posted by: mowi at July 16, 2007 12:50 AM

Just saw OoP (oop!) in the IMAX and despite the fact that I HATE 3-D (is there something wrong with my eyes? with my soul? this just does not work for me) and the IMAX version has the whole Ministry of Magic sequence in 3-D, I actually quite liked the film. And, WAS NEVILLE LONGBOTTOM WEARING A POWDER BLUE MEMBER'S ONLY JACKET AT THE END?

Heart,
RBG

Posted by: redbeaniegirl at July 16, 2007 2:08 AM

For some strange reason, Prof Umbridge reminded me of Laura Bush

Posted by: Natasha at July 16, 2007 2:50 AM

She reminds you of Laura Bush due to them both appearing to be HEAVILY medicated.

Posted by: PyD at July 16, 2007 7:29 AM

I'm actually surprised that people prefer the 4th movie over this one, but then again, if you haven't read the books, I can understand. The 4th caters to the general public, but is a terrible adaptation of the book, yet the 5th follows the book surprisingly well, but is hard to follow for those who haven't read the book. Either way, I suppose, someone is disappointed. I for one thought it was the best movie yet after Prisoner of Azkaban, and I'm glad to hear that the same director is signed on for Half Blood Prince.

Posted by: Missoula at July 16, 2007 7:52 AM

First let me say that this was a fairly enjoyable and visually pleasing film. However....

Considering this movie was entitled HP & the Order of the Phoenix, it would have been awfully nice to have, you know, SEEN the Order of the Phoenix. Two seconds with Tonks so you can show off her cool hair? Kingsley gets to comment on style and that's it? Molly doesn't get to do anything except be mom - again?? And no one talks to each other, plans, plots, etc.

I would have happily sat through another 20 minutes if we could have included some actual friggin' plot points. Like maybe why the prophecy was important and what it actually says at which point you could have included in mere seconds the explanation of why Dumbledore would bother keeping Trelawny around. And how about if the kids who have been practicing all year long actually fight like they're in a life and death situation. They were broken and bleeding and some of them presumed dead in the book, whereas in the movie they hide behind some rock. Why include all those lessons if you're going to throw away the payoff? It doesn't detract from the film to stay true to the book in this regard, though it might have meant giving more weight to the amazing fight at the end. I sincerely doubt anyone would have objected to that.

Posted by: Reba at July 16, 2007 10:33 AM

I undermined my enjoyment of this film by watching Transformers the day before. I had the killer trailer of Harry Potter in mind and Michael Bay's action packed stylings in my head so when I sat down to the ephemeral Harry Potter I found it a bit difficult to appreciate the nuances of the Potter movie kind of like a kid with ADD. I will say, in my defense, that the movie didn't jive with the trailer.

Posted by: Rachael. at July 16, 2007 11:43 AM

I actually enjoyed this movie for its character depth. The actors were much better in showing that they can perform many emotions rather than just a few strong ones and then other emotions fall flat.

I have to acknowledge the fact that several people complained about some of the characters lacking proper build up for what is to come in HBP, such as Neville and to an extent Ginny. Ginny, however, does not earn the build up of being Harry's girlfriend because Harry himself only became attracted to her some 100 odd pages into HBP (with the chest monster ready to burst through his ribcage). And being an person who would like to see Ron and Hermione admit their feelings for each other already and be done with it, Rupert and Emma have very little chemistry-period. In fact, their actions feel very forced and lack real depth. However, in most if not all the movies, the chemistry seems to belong to Dan and Emma, whose characters in this movie aren't given the tension and deep friendship of which they had in the book.

All that aside, I saw the DoM scene in 3-D and it was fantastic. Dan Radcliffe was excellent in portraying a possessed Harry. It was heart wrenching yet not over the top. And Alan Rickman can work with what very little screentime he is given and take it to new heights. The movie was maybe a 3 out of 5. The movie may have been quite short but the actors gave it their all. I still say though that Alfonso Cuaron made the third movie the most enjoyable of all the films. I'm thinking that the 3 young actors were not developed enough at the time (CC isn't the most challenging director) to handle his style but give him Movie 7 and I bet it'll be the best.

Posted by: Trina at July 16, 2007 2:55 PM

It seemed someone noticed the chemistry between Harry and Luna 'cause the sure ramped up their friendship to a level that was NOT in the book. I must admit it was a good thing, that chick nailed the character good.

Oh, and Cho, got screwed.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 16, 2007 5:07 PM

the new porno film of this Harry Penis: Orgy of the Pheonixes

Posted by: asd at July 17, 2007 1:36 AM

Understatement of the year: "teens are not big-picture people." Thanks for the review and the chuckle!

Posted by: Aurora at July 17, 2007 11:38 AM

I absolutely hate the new movie why would anyone ruin this excellent series with this weak adaptation of the best book in the series I for one am outraged and I am one serious HP fan that will be demanding better representation of the next film. How can JKR possibly deal with this awful movie.

Posted by: patrick at July 17, 2007 11:01 PM

Bwah ha ha to "Orgy of the Phoenixes" above. After Daniel Radcliffe's stint in "Equus" he would probably star in it himself

Posted by: Deanna at July 18, 2007 11:57 AM

Blah! Saw this last night and thought it was a pretty big waste of time and film. I appreciate the fact that they were trying to cram an 800-odd page book into a two hour movie, but they still could have come up with something more inspired. Most of the movie was just so incredibly flat - I saw way too little of Harry's teen angst, Umbridge's horrifying nastiness, Hermione and Ron's affection and exasperation with each other...even Maggie Smith's whip cracking sternness was understated...why? The story was there, I suppose, but none of the personalities of the characters came through and I'd rather they sacrificed more of the story and focused on giving me just a taste of the world Rowling has concocted. It's not like any of the movies have been that great, but they were at least a pleasant waste of time. This one left me really bored.

Posted by: Deanna at July 18, 2007 12:12 PM

I thought it was great. Fun and fast paced. I have read the books, my hubbie hasn't but still liked it too, said it was his fav of the series so far

Posted by: Lea at July 18, 2007 6:02 PM

I actually thought the movie was really, really well done. It's always hard when a film is based off a beloved series of books, we're always going to wish something had been done a little differently, or a favorite scene or character was expanded upon a little more. But when it comes down to it, the guy is an amazing director, he actually made the kids seem human as opposed to props labeled "Harry, Hermione, Ron." I was especially fond of the scene where they all share a laugh in the Gryffindor common room. There was something very real and heartwarming about it in a world that had become fantastically dark for Harry. As for the rest of the film, I just think this guy did a fantastic job with the look and feel of everything. It just felt like a smoother, more grown up ride, I guess. I dunno if that made sense.

Posted by: Cass at July 19, 2007 10:24 AM

It's interesting that some people actually liked this movie, whereas I found it to be by far the worst Potter movie of all. The movie seemed extremely disjointed and the ending was very weak.

It felt like I was watching an underdeveloped documentary, instead of an actual movie. I think what disappointed me the most was the role of the Ministry. They are established as a strong villain (in fact this is the major focus of the entire movie), but we are robbed of the enjoyment of seeing them foiled. I wanted to see the new headmistress shown that she was wrong so I could watch the expression on her pompous face. Instead, we just see her carried off by centuars. The Ministry also pops in at the end and says "oh, he's back" confirming that they've been wrong. Voldemore vanishes in a split second, not even giving us time to revel in the moment for more than a half second. This just isn't very satisfying at all.

The scenes where Harry is fighting Voldemort at the end are poorly done. There are some images flashing through his mind, then he says he feels sorry for the dark lord, and this defeats him. OK uhm this is not what I'd call a spectacular ending. Oh wait, it isn't the ending. The ending is a series of boring scenes with Harry walking around reflecting on the past.

Posted by: Greg at July 19, 2007 12:26 PM

i actually really REALLY enjoyed this one. i came in with low expectations though after the disaster that was GoF. just remembering the musical rendering of the introduction of the two schools in the 4th movie makes me cringe every time.

i agree with the above review that the movie was rushed, but arguably it had to be. and, oh my word, did the actors improve by leaps and bounds! i actually began to believe that harry, ron, and hermione have real human feelings! and thank god for the adult actors whose talent shines on the screen in such truncated scenes.

and how awesome were the fighting scenes? who knew wand-wielding could look so cool?

final note, i too am in the cuaron camp and was relieved to read that someone was finally sticking up for PoA.

Posted by: schmenda at July 19, 2007 7:46 PM

Couldn't agree more with the review. It took me a while to get used to the choppiness and the fact that a LOT of things were altered or left out, but then again, anyone who's read The Order of the Phoenix knows that it'd be damn near impossible to make a movie of reasonable length if you went far past the gist and most important plot line of it.

One other thing....I was under the impression that J.K. Rowling is having a say in how these things are being made. For example, I think Alan Rickman's known what happens with Snape in the end for a long time now so he'd have a good feel for how his character should act. That being said, some things that were left out kind of made me wonder if things I've been assuming all along are not at all true or important (e.g. I'm convinced that we're going to find out James was kind of...crappy...but that should've come up in this one, no?)

In conclusion, I'm an HP NERD.

Posted by: noxbu at July 20, 2007 9:02 PM

I was surprised to read that noone has mentioned Ralph Fiennes in this movie. I thought he was really great. Voldemort is actually a factor now instead of just a disembodied threat.

That said, I really did like this movie quite a lot actually. I hadn't reread the book, but with this film I got the overall feeling that something is actually HAPPENING now. That this is all quite real now, and deadly serious. Not just so much "plot and action".

As for the flashback stuff at the end, I couldn't help but think of Michael Apted's "7 UP" series. What these kids were and what they are now. Again it added a weird "documentary" aspect to it all.

I don't remember much of the first movies. But this is the first one that stuck with me after I left the theatre.

I loved Ron as more than a comic goofus. Loved Ginny, and Luna, and Malfoy Sr. Oh, and I would have LOVED to have seen Dawn French as Umbridge.

And one word more: Snapes. Ryckman OWNS this.

Posted by: Odnon at July 21, 2007 1:33 PM

I finally saw this earlier today, after finishing off the last book in the series. Obviously, I am a hardcore Potter geek. I'd agree with the comments about the second movie; the fact that I saw it and promptly forgot it entirely doesn't speak well for it. I must say, though, I wasn't too thrilled with this movie either. Filling in the gaps wouldn't have taken another hour; some of the little details that were missing didn't need to be left out. What happened to the screaming picture of Mrs. Black, Sirius' mother? And Kreacher filching things from the house is a huge omission that's gonna come back to bite another director in the butt. The scene with Mrs. Weasley clearing out the boggart, Mundungus Fletcher, Firenze teaching Divination... I think I just added maybe 15 minutes directing this in my head.

Posted by: Kris at July 22, 2007 11:46 PM

Yeah, after reading the last book, I have to agree with Kris. ESPECIALLY about Kreacher reclaiming the stuff they're throwing out and Mundungus Fletcher.

Oh well. Happy birthday Daniel Radcliffe. (18, FINALLY *wink wink nudge nudge say-no-more*)

Posted by: noxbu at July 23, 2007 11:58 AM

I completely disagree, the fourth one is nothing at all to sneeze at. A movie that may move too quickly and drop in characters that don't serve any purpose except to remind the audience that they are there is far better than a movie that centers around a dumb teenage ball.

Posted by: Cait at July 24, 2007 6:08 PM

I just saw the movie. have read all HP books- the last one included and OOTP was one of my most fav books. a coming of age sort of thing for harry and friends. I was awfully disappointed not because of the missing portions so much as with what they had done with the rest. I mean remember when the lady catches up with harry after the dementors attack dudley and him ? She is raving mad, and frightened and nervous and shocked! In the movie she calmly says' dont put your wand away harry', and walks on!

When harry reaches the durselys, one would have expected a huge scene as mentioned in the book, i mean dudley has been
ATTACKED by Harry and all that the uncle says is some lukewarm thing about harry making their son lose his mind. He, according to the book and his character, should have gone ballistic with rage.

the point being that i just did not get the dilution of every high point of the book in the film. The urgency, the pace and the excitment was all gone. When harry says lord voldemort aloud in class for the first time,, students faint, scream, gasp at the very least. in the film there is just pin drop silence and some bored faces.

and whatever happened to the horrifying sensation that harry has the first time his eyes meet that of dumbledore's? again the scene was there but the reaction missing.

and the end??? the most emotive of dumbledore's talks after he joins hogwarts, the most moving and intense scene between them??

Its like all they wanted was to dress the film up in good CGI and snazy sets and plonk in some drama from the book and stamp with the harry potter franchise mark and sell it.

The half baked characters, diluted plot lines, bad music just left me feeling enraged at what they had done to one of teh most important and enjoyable books in all teh series.

Posted by: SMITHSONIAN at July 27, 2007 5:23 PM

I just saw the movie. have read all HP books- the last one included and OOTP was one of my most fav books. a coming of age sort of thing for harry and friends. I was awfully disappointed not because of the missing portions so much as with what they had done with the rest. I mean remember when the lady catches up with harry after the dementors attack dudley and him ? She is raving mad, and frightened and nervous and shocked! In the movie she calmly says' dont put your wand away harry', and walks on!

When harry reaches the durselys, one would have expected a huge scene as mentioned in the book, i mean dudley has been
ATTACKED by Harry and all that the uncle says is some lukewarm thing about harry making their son lose his mind. He, according to the book and his character, should have gone ballistic with rage.

the point being that i just did not get the dilution of every high point of the book in the film. The urgency, the pace and the excitment was all gone. When harry says lord voldemort aloud in class for the first time,, students faint, scream, gasp at the very least. in the film there is just pin drop silence and some bored faces.

and whatever happened to the horrifying sensation that harry has the first time his eyes meet that of dumbledore's? again the scene was there but the reaction missing.

and the end??? the most emotive of dumbledore's talks after he joins hogwarts, the most moving and intense scene between them??

Its like all they wanted was to dress the film up in good CGI and snazy sets and plonk in some drama from the book and stamp with the harry potter franchise mark and sell it.

The half baked characters, diluted plot lines, bad music just left me feeling enraged at what they had done to one of teh most important and enjoyable books in all teh series.

Posted by: SMITHSONIAN at July 27, 2007 5:23 PM

Actually, no. This was a good movie. Of the series, the third "Prisoner of Azkaban," and this one "Order of the Phoenix" are the best - as movies. "Azkaban" easily worked the best of all of them and felt the way a movie is supposed to feel. But "Order of the Phoenix" did a pretty good job of conveying the most important plot elements. Lots of stuff was not treated with the depth one might have hoped - BUT let's not forget these are movies for KIDS, who aren't nearly as picky as the grown-ups. As an aside, I couldn't believe the pissy review the last BOOK of the series got in The Nation (of all freaking places) because the critic didn't think the resolution of the series was politically correct enough. FFS, they're kids' stories, folks! We're not looking for greater depth than the average 12 year old can comprehend.

Posted by: bluebird at July 30, 2007 12:58 AM

I just saw this movie last night. I don't think enough has been said about how perfect Alan Rickman is in this movie. Absolutely note-perfect for the role. I know he's not the skinny, greasy, weaselly prof that Rowling portrays in the book, but Rickman imparts an amazing gravitas and imposing presence to Snape that seems lacking in the books. His lines are perfect, his execution is perfect. He has literally transcended the written character. I am so glad that Snape figures so heavily into future books as I look forward to every scene-chewing second that Rickman gets.

Posted by: Eddie Walker at August 13, 2007 10:50 AM

I'm sorry, all.

I hated it. I'm one of those die-hards who annoys their friends by griping about what could have been done better all through the movie.

Again, I'm sorry. What annoys me most of all is that so many of the problems would have been SO EASY to fix. But alas, no.

Better luck next time.

Posted by: Emily at September 3, 2007 6:32 PM

I agree with Emily, it sucked ass. I can't believe the director and producers couldn't throw in Sirius' mother's portrait, Kreacher sneaking stuff, THE FREAKING LOCKET IN THE STUDY!! FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! Molly being overwhelmed by the boggart, Weasley twins exit, and the teacher's rebellion against Umbridge, and the oh, I don't know, ACTUAL scenes that occur in the Ministry. At least the important ones. The ending scene between Dumbledore and Harry, where we actually hear the prophecy and Dumbledore's explaination of it was great! Oh wait.. That didn't happen. My bad.

I can only say that the 6th one, if it's done by Yates the same way, I cringe. JK shame on you for not raising a bigger stink and just rolling along with this waste of film.

Posted by: cha at October 3, 2007 4:31 AM





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