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Film Reviews | December 28, 2006 | Comments (61)


Robert De Niro is 63 years old. This is important to remember when approaching The Good Shepherd, a thriller without any thrills that nevertheless manages to be quietly enthralling. The film deals with the rough conception and bloody birth of the CIA, spanning from America’s isolationist heyday in 1939 to the Bay of Pigs invasion and the rise of the Cold War. It’s easy to see how a younger filmmaker would have turned out a glossier version of the same events, or a younger screenwriter — Eric Roth is also 63 — would have inserted action sequences at the expense of emotional drama. But De Niro is rapidly approaching the country of old men, and his age allows him a pensiveness for his second directorial outing, an ability to meditate on the fantastically intricate story as it gradually unspools, that elevates the film from a standard tale of political intrigue into an almost operatic vision of despair and damnation as America takes the reins to become the world’s greatest superpower. That sweep almost does the film in, though: It feels every single one of its nearly three-hour running time, and many scenes could have been trimmed to tighten the pace without relinquishing the emotional resonance. Yet plodding though it often is, the film is peppered with moments of quiet brilliance and beauty. If it falters, it goes down swinging.

Edward Wilson (Matt Damon), based in part on the real-life figure James Angleton, is heading up counterintelligence for the CIA during the Bay of Pigs invasion in April 1961. De Niro takes his time with the story from the very beginning; Wilson’s methodical patience assembling ships in a bottle is a reflection of the director’s desire to tell the story his way. The botched Cuba operation means someone’s gonna swing, and on top of this, Wilson also receives a mysterious package containing a blurry photo of a man and woman in bed, accompanied by an audiotape of a fragment of their conversation. At which point the action cuts back to Yale University in 1939, when Wilson was an undergrad recruited into Skull and Bones. The divergent timeline presents a couple of problems De Niro doesn’t quite resolve: Without spending enough time establishing the 1961 characters and setting, the inherent drama behind the photo and tape is blunted, and De Niro never quite establishes a consistent, specific throughline that will tie together the multiple storylines, other than that they involve all the same people doing all the same things and leading increasingly depressing lives. Wilson meets Laura (Tammy Blanchard) at school, and their burgeoning relationship allows the shy young poetry student a rare opportunity to smile and express himself. As the war begins to swallow the outside world, Wilson and Laura, who is deaf, do their best to shut it out and try and fall in love like normal people; there’s a scene where they dance at a club while he softly sings her the song she can’t hear that’s fraught with heartache and remorse and doom as could only come from a filmmaker looking back a great distance at life, and it’s compelling to watch.

Wilson winds up marrying Margaret (Angelina Jolie), the sister of one his fraternity brothers and a member of the high society that aims to quietly rule the country and the world from behind the throne. And from there, the film hits an odd kind of narrative standstill: It’s not that things stop happening, but that events feel disconnected from each other, as if the scenes aren’t happening because of each other but simply because they exist. Wilson’s present-day investigation into the mystery tape is spread over the week following the Bay of Pigs, and the slowly (often very, very slowly) progressing history of his growing involvement with the newly formed intelligence agency spends most of its time in the 1950s. Wilson is tapped to head the counterintelligence sector by General Bill Sullivan (De Niro), a crippled warrior who clings to a patriotic hope of a just government, a view that fewer of his colleagues seem to share, as America enters the long slog to global supremacy against the Soviets. He works with Britain’s Arch Cummings (Billy Crudup) and his own assistant, Ray Brocco (John Turturro), to try and beat the Russians when it comes to spying and nation-building. His Soviet counterpart is an operative codenamed Ulysses (Oleg Stefan), and Wilson and Ulysses share a few face-to-face meetings over the years. The normalcy with which these two men go about their lives of espionage is a welcome difference from the slambang world of most filmed spy thrillers; it’s much easier to believe in De Niro’s version of things, with its plausibly bleak and endless series of double-crosses and lies that are second nature to such characters. There’s an impressive casualness with the way these privileged white men go about drawing lines and dividing up the world, as if it’s all just an extension of the games they played as younger Bonesmen.

Unfortunately, De Niro never quite develops the relational tension between Wilson and Ulysses, and what could have been a near epic story of two men spanning decades sometimes just feels like, well, two guys playing war games. Damon is enjoyably reined in as Wilson, a caring man with no idea how to really express that caring to those who matter to him. After a point, though, his reserved nature comes across as forced, more stilted by intent than muted by actual personality. He never matches the mix of anguish and determination as when he’s young and with Laura, and their scenes together are the film’s strongest. Lee Pace is fantastic and underused as Richard Hayes, another fraternity brother and Wilson’s superior at the agency, whose cold commitment to furthering the nation’s needs at any cost make him as intriguing a villain as Ulysses. The rest of De Niro’s packed cast are also convincing in their roles, from William Hurt and Michael Gambon to a virtually unrecognizable Joe Pesci, who could have a whole new career as a jaded old man in character-driven pieces.

Despite its roster of stars and worthy storytelling, The Good Shepherd remains a brutally cold film; emotionally, it never progresses beyond its opening scenes of Uncle Sam’s blissful isolationism. But if its reach exceeds its grasp, that’s only because De Niro is trying here for something bigger than he’s ever done, and he succeeds more than many other filmmakers could have with such sprawling and dizzyingly complex material. But the title is ultimately misleading: The good shepherd is the one who lays down his life for his flock, but Wilson would never do anything so selfless. When he says to Ulysses that he doesn’t want another war, Ulysses responds, “What would you do for a living then?” It’s clear from his eyes that Wilson doesn’t know what to say.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Comments

I was fortunate enough to sit onstage at the Hardball taping where De Niro and Damon were plugging the movie. We were all required to see a prescreening of the film, and as much as I appreciated Damon's performance, and De Niro's subtle direction, there was nothing on earth they could tell me that could make me believe that they chose Angelina Jolie for this movie out of any discernable talent. Sadly, the scene with Joe Pesci is less than two minutes long, completely superfluous, and is an obvious bone De Niro threw to his old friend. A girl in the audience even asked De Niro what the purpose of that scene was, and De Niro coulden't adequately explain himself. (If anyone who watched Hardball didn't see that segment, it was because Chris Matthews was making a complete jackass of himself, and the piece had to be cut).

Posted by: aratweth at December 22, 2006 11:40 PM

I have to agree with you on Angelina Jolie's performance. This movie is getting a lot of comparison to The Godfather (it's tough to explain why but it's a very apt comparison). I've always found Diane Keaton to be about the only weak link in that movie and Jolie is this movie's Keaton. Also in one scene I got a good look at Jolie's hands. I don't know how old she is but she looks like she has arthritic old lady hands.


Chris Matthews making a complete jackass of himself? Psh, I refuse to believe anything of the kind.

Posted by: jbrader at December 23, 2006 1:26 AM

WOW, this one ever so humbly kisses De Niro directly on the buttocks. No sale! I'm gonna see it anyways.

Posted by: Yeah Right at December 23, 2006 3:09 AM

63? God damn. I'd still hit it.

Posted by: Hila at December 23, 2006 9:30 AM

Maybe she has "old lady" hands because she uses them. You know, women work with their hands, mister. She has found better ways to spend time and money than sitting around soaking her hands in moisturizer, getting glycolic peels, and manicures.

Posted by: Old Lady at December 23, 2006 11:14 AM

she probably has "old lady" hands because she has absolutely no body fat--she looked absolutely haggard at the premier. even pregnant, she looked like one at an average weight.

Posted by: young lady at December 23, 2006 6:22 PM

I just saw it a couple of hours ago and I liked it. I did feel every bit of the three hours. But once it got through the first part, I didn't mind. I found it to be a very interesting film being someone who is interested in politics and government.

I think the title of the movie is telling, and maybe a bit misleading. Even though it can be perceived that Damon's character wouldn't do anything as selfless as a good shepard might do. I think he fulfills the role of shepard in the end. As far as being the 'good' shepard, I think that has to do with the nature of government. Government and the people who run it can only be so good. And despite the flaws of Damon's character, his intentions seem to be for the betterment of the country and its citizens.

Posted by: Dave at December 23, 2006 10:45 PM

Nothing tickles me more than seeing how women continually rag on Angelina Jolie's looks. It's just too damn funny.

Posted by: TK at December 23, 2006 10:54 PM

jolie with old lady hands, what next sagging wrinkled teats, ease up you jealous cows!!US GUYS DON`T CARE WHAT HER HANDS LOOK LIKE.Every inch of her but her hands, right ray?

Posted by: pasadenamike at December 23, 2006 11:02 PM

Angelina Jolie is funny looking, but in a beautiful way. It's hard to describe. But what I find really funny, is that she went from making terrible movies, to starring in a serious film with Matt Damon and Robert Deniro...

Posted by: kayla at December 24, 2006 10:13 AM

I don't know... this review didn't convince me entirely enough to want to see it. I am surprised, however, that, aside from her old ladies hands, no one mentioned that Angelina Jolie just does not look right as a 50's (?) housewife. She just looks too much like someone that would carry a vial of blood around with them.

Posted by: SH at December 24, 2006 11:07 AM

Can't wait for the Director's Cut Dvd, I heard there's a deleted scene where Pesci's character beats the Russian Premier with a baseball bat, then him and Bobby's character bury him somewhere in New Jersey.

And yeah, I called him Bobby.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 25, 2006 11:38 AM

I saw TGS on Friday and came away impressed with it, but for reasons other than cinematic ones.

We have this outsized image of how the intelligence community works that is influenced heavily by the Bond films and more recent stuff like the Bourne movies.

The reality of the intelligence community is far more banal. That's what I liked so much about this movie's treatment of the topic...it hit on the workmanlike, low-entropy tedium of most of what goes on today and in the past in the spy world.

I thought the casting of Angelina Jolie in a part that we normally wouldn't associate her with was one of the movie's redeeming qualities. At her best she's wooden, but this part playes to that dimension of her acting. The type of women who came from the kind of chowder-eating upper crust background in that time were predominantly like her character: Aggressively ambitious up to the point of marriage and often disappointed with what came afterwards.

I do agree that I would have liked to have seen more of the Pesci line; for those not all geeked out on the history of the intelligence community, I'm confident Pesci's character was based on Carlos Marcello, the Sicilian godfather of the New Orleans mafia and a figure who plays a central role in a lot of conspiracy theories about the assasination of JFK.

Posted by: Patrick at December 26, 2006 1:25 AM

I think these actresses (Angelina J., Diane K.) do the best they can with marginal, thin roles. You know what, guys? Why don't you just have the balls to not put any women AT ALL in your movies? That's what you secretly want to do, so why don't you just go ahead and do it? I'd rather see a movie with no women in it than a movie with a couple of women who were clearly just thrown in and never developed as characters.

Posted by: Samantha T at December 26, 2006 10:39 AM

Agreed, Samantha T. I think directors are between a rock and a hard place, though. If no women are in a film, there are those who decry sexism. Personally, I'm fine with watching and enjoying movies with no women if it means I won't be forced to watch poorly developed female characters. However, I'm afraid that many prefer to see women in movies just for placation's sake.

Posted by: Daphne at December 26, 2006 12:08 PM

I think that jolie was miscast - the role demanded an oblivous wife , detached from her husband - in this case i kept seeing jolie somewhat repeating her scheming 'mother of Alexander' role (another casting mistake btw)

Ultimately, despite the excellent cast - the movie dragged - we never really got any interesting or memorable characters, and if it was supposed to be a realisitic portrait of the workings of the CIA -I wish De Niro had provided some more insider information about that infamous agency -- much like scorsese did in describing the inner workings of Las Vegas in Casino -surely De Niro has learned about pacing and tension from watching his friend Marty all these years..

Posted by: tinman at December 26, 2006 12:43 PM

No ragging on Angelina Jolie from me (a chick), looks-wise or otherwise. She is my personal favorite actress...and the stuff she does with her money and celebrity makes me like her even more. I'd switch teams for her. Or, as my boyfriend asks every time I point out how friggin' gorgeous she is, would have to 'let him watch'. But that's just me.

Anyway, I was interested to see this after the "Hardball" appearance, and the movie itself wasn't so bad. Damon was pretty damn terrific in it, and it was cool to see Lee Pace in something else--the only other thing I've seen him in was this Shotime movie called "Soldier's Girl", which was amazing--but his screen time was definitely not enough for my taste.

Posted by: em at December 26, 2006 3:14 PM

So. Damn. Dull. People walked out after two hours at the showing I went to. I kicked myself for staying afterwards because it wasn't worth it. Ugh. How did this movie make an interesting subject so bland?

Posted by: Squarah at December 26, 2006 7:11 PM

I felt that the scene with Joe Pesci was uncalled for. There was a blatent message being sent out. Even the niggers have their music. Africa, and African-Americans for purposes of this piece, are the originators of the human race. Evidence of this can be found in Kenya through the discoveries made by Henry and Louis Leaky. For Black people to be accredited nothing more than music is shameful and wrong. Also Damon's response was equally as powerful. Stating that the U.S. was his, the white mans, and that everyone else that is here is just visiting. After this segment of the film, I walked out and will never watch another film by Robert.

Posted by: Tim Stevens at December 26, 2006 11:54 PM

Didn't Pesci mention other races too? Haven't seen the movie, but I read that quote somewhere... And I think Jews and some other ethnicities were stereotyped as well. For some reason, I don't mind when a character in a movie genearlises that way, because that's how people really are. I'm not ashamed of reality.

I haven't seen this yet, but I want to. Even though it hasn't gotten stellar reviews, I tend to like boring movies like this. :P And plus I love Deniro and Damon.

Posted by: kayla at December 27, 2006 1:35 PM

"The Hunt For Red October" had one scene with a woman at the beginning and that was it. I think it still worked without a female character. I don't recall any outcry of sexism either.

I was thinking of seeing this movie, but I probably won't now. Even with the semi-positive review. The story just isn't appealing.

Posted by: Cosmic Bob at December 27, 2006 1:43 PM

I don't know what I'm most tired of:

1. Angelina Jolie;

2. Guys that snigger at women and insinuate that they're jealous if they dislike anything about Angelina Jolie;

3. Hearing about people's creepy omnisexual fantasies with Angelina Jolie.

The woman is a talentless ick clusterfuck. She'd better keep giving money to the poor, otherwise she'd be seen for what she is--an increasingly used-up admiration-vampire.

And yes, I'd give money to the needy too, if I weren't flat broke. So I volunteer. Jolie didn't invent being a decent human being, she's just spun the appearance of it more successfully than most.

Posted by: Vi at December 27, 2006 2:28 PM

Meh, I'm not saying that Angelina 'invented' being a decent human being. I'm just giving her credit where credit is due--in an "industry" where a *truly* talentless ick clusterfuck like Paris fucking Hilton can get a record deal without having to lift a chlymydia-infected pair of panties up to cover her hoo-hah, Angelina actually has her shit together and donates entire paychecks to charity. Just sayin'.

Posted by: em at December 27, 2006 3:25 PM

I just saw this the other night. I also felt that Jolie was miscast. I think she looks like a classic Hollywood star (maybe that was the point of casting her), but when she opened her mouth, especially during the scene where she breaks down proclaiming "I don't know what you do," I thought I was watching Girl Interrupted. Sadly, she didn't offer to stab herself with a pen.

The actor cast as Edward Jr. was a big problem for me. I'd love to comment more on him, but it would be a spoiler.

Posted by: rose at December 28, 2006 9:48 AM

One more thing, to pick up on a thread, the scene with Pesci rubbed me the wrong way. It was like a homage to the usual mobster drival so prevelant in movies. Only the blacks received an ethnic slur in the use of the n word. The character doesn't refer to the Jews as kikes. It just seemed uncalled for in my opinion. Considering DeNiro has had interracial relationships and mixed race children, I don't get it and was very disappointed with that dialogue. Call me sensative.

Posted by: rose at December 28, 2006 9:55 AM

Rose, this was the EXACT thing I'd said to my husband when we saw the trailer on television.

"...but when she opened her mouth, especially during the scene where she breaks down proclaiming "I don't know what you do," I thought I was watching Girl Interrupted."

Posted by: KVA at December 28, 2006 12:54 PM

it was like someone shot a billion plot devices out of a cannon and tried to piece them together but failed.

Posted by: Fred at December 28, 2006 2:33 PM

vi had me standing up and cheering, because that's pretty much exactly the way i've always seen it.

further, i just don't get what the fascination is with her. she's beautiful, yes (or was, before she hooked up with brad and he sucked all the life and beauty out of her, just like he does with *all* his broads), but there's just something OFF about her.

she seems soulless to me. like she eats and drinks and fucks and adopts and donates in order to fill herself up.

i think if there were no cameras around and my life depended upon her saving it, i would be dead, and i think she'd barely raise an eyebrow. i don't think she gives a fuck about anything; even when she holds her children or is seen canoodling with brad, she doesn't seem involved. she could be holding pieces of firewood, canoodling with a sweater.

the last time i saw her in the public eye when she seemed remotely interested in anything around her was when she was with billy bob.

Posted by: juliagulia at December 28, 2006 6:45 PM

I thought the point of the Joe Pesci scene was to set up Damon's line at the end, when Pesci asks "what do you people have" and Damon responds with something like "we have the United States. The rest of you are just visiting." Basically, it was underscoring the WASP-supremecist attitude of Damon and the CIA, an extension of the elitism of the Skull and Bones Society at Yale.

Carlson also writes in his review, "what could have been a near epic story of two men spanning decades sometimes just feels like, well, two guys playing war games." But to me one of the themes of the movie was that a lot of this *was* just a sort of pointless game of spies trying to outsmart (and often kill) each other, not having all that much to do with anything relevant to the well-being of their countries. As the review in the New Yorker asks:

"Would the Cold War have come out any differently if hundreds of agents on both sides hadn't been killed? Isn't espionage just a closed, circulatory activity for debonair thugs--intellectuals with a sense of danger and an inordinate capacity for deception? They all seem to be making ships in a bottle, which is not quite the same thing as launching a fleet of seaworthy craft."

Posted by: Jesse M. at December 28, 2006 11:42 PM

I really enjoyed this movie. True, it did drag a little long, but I didn't mind. Unfortunately, I saw the movie in Puerto Rico, and the subtitles and people openly talking in the theater drove me crazy. I might go see it again if I have 3 hours to spare.

Posted by: Jessica at December 29, 2006 5:22 PM

Other than the length, my real problem was Billy Crudup. I mean he did fine, I guess, but would it really be that difficult to cast a british actor? Maybe that was the intent to further that whole sense of him being country-less and alone. I don't know. Something about him just irked me.

Posted by: Rish at December 29, 2006 10:45 PM

I can sum up this movie in one word:
BORING!!!!!
The theatre I was in was half to 3/4 full, and afterward EVERYONE was making fun of how long and painful it was. To make it even worse, I like almost every actor (Damon, De Niro, Turturro), but it could easily have been 2:15 without losing anything. I swear to God, if I have to watch another 30 second uninterrupted shot of Matt Damon's blank face lost in thought, I'm going to light my eyes on fire.
This should sum up everything:
I checked my watch during the movie thinking it was about 2 hours in and almost over. Nope. 45 minutes. Just excrutiating.

Posted by: Kballs at December 30, 2006 3:03 PM

It felt like three hours of Matt Damon having serious conversations.

Posted by: sydney at December 31, 2006 12:59 AM

juliagulia - I have been trying to figure out what it is about Angelina that I don't like, and I could never figure it out. She's beautiful, she gives to the needy, she adopts children of third world countries - what could I not like about her? Given the fact that she's not a particularly good actress (which isn't uncommon), I couldn't figure out where the hell all these fans are coming from... I don't think Mother Teresa had so many admirers. She's just not fascinating to me as so many think she is. But I think you described it perfectly. She just seems so soulless. I was watching this interview she did on CNN or MSNBC or somewhere. I was exciting to run into the interview, because I wanted to see what the fuss was about. But basically she just sat there listing off her viewpoints (which she never gave much depth to) like a robot. "The UN is doing w-w-w-wonderful things. It is a *great* thing to.... a-a-adopt. I was so fortunate when I discovered that Zahara was not HIV positive. I would have loved her either way, but it w-ww-was so good when I found out that she wasn't. T-t-t-terrible things are happening in Cambodia." She did this weird stuttery thing where she'd rapidly blink her eyes and repeat the beginnings of every few words (which seems like something someone would do to sound smart... like they want to look as though they're constantly thinking and what they're saying is so complex that they need to seaarch for the perfect word) and rested her hand upon the side of her face every now and then as if she was very self-conscious of the fact that she's gorgeous. She's doing wonderful things, but it just felt like she's doing them because... it's what fullfilled, intelligent, good people do, but not because it's something she wholeheartedly believes in. Or something that she wants to invest so much of her time into. I don't know. I could be wrong of course, and I hope that she's happy. But as someone who really doesn't know and only has her interviews to base my opinion on, she's just so odd and disconnected to me. It's like she's still very young and trying to find herself. And I agree with you - the last time she seemed interested (and happy and honest) was when she was with Billy Bob.

Posted by: kayla at December 31, 2006 11:09 AM

juliagulia - I have been trying to figure out what it is about Angelina that I don't like, and I could never figure it out. She's beautiful, she gives to the needy, she adopts children of third world countries - what could I not like about her? Given the fact that she's not a particularly good actress (which isn't uncommon), I couldn't figure out where the hell all these fans are coming from... I don't think Mother Teresa had so many admirers. She's just not fascinating to me as so many think she is. But I think you described it perfectly. She just seems so soulless. I was watching this interview she did on CNN or MSNBC or somewhere. I was exciting to run into the interview, because I wanted to see what the fuss was about. But basically she just sat there listing off her viewpoints (which she never gave much depth to) like a robot. "The UN is doing w-w-w-wonderful things. It is a *great* thing to.... a-a-adopt. I was so fortunate when I discovered that Zahara was not HIV positive. I would have loved her either way, but it w-ww-was so good when I found out that she wasn't. T-t-t-terrible things are happening in Cambodia." She did this weird stuttery thing where she'd rapidly blink her eyes and repeat the beginnings of every few words (which seems like something someone would do to sound smart... like they want to look as though they're constantly thinking and what they're saying is so complex that they need to seaarch for the perfect word) and rested her hand upon the side of her face every now and then as if she was very self-conscious of the fact that she's gorgeous. She's doing wonderful things, but it just felt like she's doing them because... it's what fullfilled, intelligent, good people do, but not because it's something she wholeheartedly believes in. Or something that she wants to invest so much of her time into. I don't know. I could be wrong of course, and I hope that she's happy. But as someone who really doesn't know and only has her interviews to base my opinion on, she's just so odd and disconnected to me. It's like she's still very young and trying to find herself. And I agree with you - the last time she seemed interested (and happy and honest) was when she was with Billy Bob.

Posted by: kayla at December 31, 2006 11:43 AM

Crap. I douple-posted. Sorry :P

Posted by: kayla at December 31, 2006 11:44 AM


1. Angelina was completely miscast, she didn't look like, act like or talk like a 50s housewife. I didn't believe her 5-second emotion filled moments because her consistent wooden ficade also wasn't believable. Also, highly unlikely that a good girl like her would jump a guy at a Bones retreat, maybe a motel somewhere after, but not on the island in front of everyone that way. I think Angelina is a talented actress (Gia anyone?) but this role was not for her. (I also detested the role of Edward's son, i don't even think Angleton had kids, but i'm not positive)

2. DeNiro simply tried to cover too much in one movie with too many points of view. He also got soo much of the history wrong that it was too difficult to tell what was going on or how anything fit together. Also, Angleton was not your typical CIA agent who gave up family and love for his country. He was known to be highly paranoid and honestly completely unusual and strange. He was NOT the everyman CIA operative that the movie made it out to be. Furthermore, i think the Skull and Bones aspect was completely overdone. Not everyone who founded the CIA went to Yale or was a part of such a secret society, and that was misleading. Damon was intriguing in the character, but i think he would have been far more so had he been given the opportunity to play the idiosyncracies and unusual behavior that Angleton illustrated in real life.

In general, i appreciate what DeNiro tried to do, but it simply did not work. He needed to pick a focal point and stick with it. Oh and one tiny thing, Angleton's thing was not building tiny ships, it was exotic flowers from everything i have read.

Posted by: Kate at December 31, 2006 6:24 PM

AMEN, Samantha T. A-fucking-men.

Call it the Scorsese School -- cast one bitch and one innocent -- or cast one innocent bitch. Whatever -- Oliver stone does it, too. Fuckers. GREAT films, yes -- The Departed should win Best Pic, imnshfo. Nevertheless -- Vera Farmiga is basically IT for the femae side of things.

Christ, I wish I were inclined to be a director.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at January 1, 2007 8:04 AM

Kate, I'm with you on Angelina's prowess in Gia. With that said, in the immortal words of Janet Jackson, "What have you done for me lately?" I think Jolie is a competent actresses who chooses roles cannily. She is beautiful and charitable and puts her money where her mouth is, which I respect. My willingness to characterize her as extremely talented has, however, ebbed over time. Emily Watson she ain't.

Posted by: Samantha T at January 1, 2007 7:57 PM

Oh, aren't you all a snarky bunch? Leave little Angelina alone. I loved the movie although I was confused and started to research and ended up on this site. I left the movie engaged, entertained and wanting to do more research. The movie did its job, right?

Posted by: Raincross at January 1, 2007 8:03 PM

Someone wrote and I disagree. I strongly felt that the message was you are american if you were born here else you are visiting even though you may have been in the country since you were 2. This and the statement about black people having their music was uncalled for. I wonder if these words were actually spoken.
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I thought the point of the Joe Pesci scene was to set up Damon's line at the end, when Pesci asks "what do you people have" and Damon responds with something like "we have the United States. The rest of you are just visiting." Basically, it was underscoring the WASP-supremecist attitude of Damon and the CIA, an extension of the elitism of the Skull and Bones Society at Yale.

Posted by: Tanmoy at January 2, 2007 9:59 AM

Haven't seen it, won't see it, but I'm curious. The "black music" quote - was it consistant with the character and/or the era, or was it totally out of left field? (Not trying to justify anything, but most of the complaints here sound like those leveled at Huck Finn when people are trying to get it banned.)

Posted by: pinkcheese at January 2, 2007 11:10 AM

Dear Pinkcheese: the comment, which included several ethnic stereo-types, was made a by an Italian-American (in the US since we was an infant) mobster in the late 1950s. Therefore, despite current day sensibilities, it was perfectly realistic that he would use the N word and think that all Black people had was their music.
And to Tanmoy above, the comment was absolutely meant to convey that the WASPs believe the rest of us are just visiting regardless of being born here or not. That was the whole point of the scene. In earlier scenes, there are references in setting up the OSS (predecessor of the CIA) to the desire to exclude Jews, Catholics, etc. The exclusion is based on the type of person, not where they were born.

Posted by: Siobhan at January 2, 2007 12:02 PM

I know this isn't a celebrity blog, but so many people have posted about Angelina Jolie rather than the film that I just wanted to add that I'm glad that others have pinpointed the problem with her that I have as well (no -- not jealousy) which is that all her actions seem motivated by a need to give her life meaning through gaining public acclaim and praise. Thus, she can gain a sense of personal worth and "goodness."

Her earlier cries for help, her self-professed obession with death; self-mutilation; stays in psychiatric wards; vials of her husband's blood . . . these have been transformed into a need to save the children of the world.

Yes, this is definitely more constructive than wallowing in depression and slicing herself with a knife. Nonetheless, AJ seems motivated not by her warmth and generosity of spirit or by her infectious joie de vivre, but by a desperate and somewhat selfish attempt to convince herself that she is a valuable human being, that she DOES have feelings for others, and that public admiration signifies moral goodness. Methinks she doth protest too much.

That being said, is The Good Sheperd better left to Netflix, or will whatever value I get out of depend largely on the Big Screen?

Posted by: Keri at January 2, 2007 2:25 PM

This movie needed to be edited down to 2 hours or less. It also was way too overstuffed with "star power" to feel real. I agree that Jolie was not right for this role because I actually think that she is too good looking and I couldn't take her seriously. She isn't a great actress but I am surprised at the level of scorn in some of these comments. It is great to sit around and over-analyze why she does what she does in her private life but the world would be a better place if more celebrities ( and "regular" people) started getting off their asses and paying attention to the causes that she has devoted herself to. And who the f*ck cares what her hands look like???? I think some of you folks need to go take a good long look in the mirror ( and perhaps gaze down at your own hands!) and decide why you deserve the right to rag on someone who has actually done some good things.

Posted by: MAR at January 2, 2007 6:49 PM

who killed the black girl? who killed the white girl

Posted by: mary at January 3, 2007 11:07 PM

i've had just about enough of this nonsense. from this thread and from everywhere.

"It is great to sit around and over-analyze why she does what she does in her private life but the world would be a better place if more celebrities ( and "regular" people) started getting off their asses and paying attention to the causes that she has devoted herself to."

that's all very interesting and it certainly reads well and is probably enough to impress the average simple-minded jolie fan, but please point out to me exactly how anything that broad has done has made the WORLD better. (your word, MAR, not mine.)

she [very publicly] adopted two third-world kids. that makes THOSE kids' lives better, to be sure, but how the fuck does it improve other cambodian and african lives? how does it improve the lives of the other six point five billion people on the planet? i'm waiting for you to tell me.

because i daresay that people who volunteer at boys & girls clubs, people who run their own nonprofit groups for impoverished children and families, churches who take up collections for families in need, teachers who work in poor school districts, speech therapists who work for the state rather than in their own private practice, college students who donate a year of their time to living abroad in third-world countries, people who consistently donate portions of their income to proven charity groups, and on and on and on, i daresay that THOSE people are making the WORLD better.

jolie famously and under the glare of a million camera lights adopts a couple of kids, flings some money at a couple of causes, and spends a well-documented week or two in a third world country, and suddenly she's the greatest philanthropist the world has known?

give me a fucking break. she's a hot chick with fat lips and big tits who VERY FUCKING LOUDLY donates a few droplets of her cash and a few seconds of her time, while her less-attractive and less-egocentric peers do precisely the same thing, and while millions of people just like you and me do even more. big deal. show me where the heroism is.

if jolie wasn't the sort of beautiful that gives vapid teen and twenty-something females raging hard-ons, you wouldn't give a shit what she does, and you certainly wouldn't be calling her heroic.

see, what i get really tired of are people with the depth of a fucking wading pool bandying about jolie's 'good works' as though they actually mean anything. you people sound like lemmings.

if you want to admire jolie for attention-whoring her way to the top of the philanthropy circuit, by all means do so, but do not for one moment suggest that a couple million dollars and a few well-publicized trips and adoptions mean more to the WORLD than people who get out there on their hands and feet and live it every fucking day.

Posted by: juliagulia at January 4, 2007 6:24 PM

make that hands and knees! haha.

ANYWAY I AM MAD OKAY! i can't be expected to be perfect while i am mad! :)

Posted by: juliagulia at January 4, 2007 6:26 PM

Dang, Juliagulia. You're tough. I like your style ;).

Posted by: Samantha T at January 4, 2007 7:10 PM

i agree with many of you that joe pesci must have winged that line and they kept it. i remember patrica arquette doing the same thing in true romance. matt damon's line could have been said without joe pesci. i blame michael richards.
and the kid was random. sorry if i give too much away. i liked the pace and the shots and the casting all helped make the movie, but the kid was random. and the congo was random. and angelina needed a few good lines like that bullshit jack nicholson says handle the the truth.
the whole torture interrogation scene was where de niro hit the hardest and he should have stayed there longer. eastwood and de niro pace there movies the same. and the occasional cheap shot to jolt the audience. somebody needs to drop a big plate of spaghetti western on the head of film noir and give us some real beef jerky. i think confessions of a dangerous mind is the best spy movie ever made.

Posted by: bocephus at January 7, 2007 2:33 AM

WTF JuGu???? This isn't a topic that one should become unhinged about.

I am not giving Jolie MORE credit for good works than the average unknown person who is working day in and day out for charitable organizations. She is a movie star so deserved or not she gets WAY more attention for everything she does. If she takes on roles like the one she did for the UN to call attention to the plight of refugees, just who the hell is she hurting? I guess Audrey Hepburn was also just a "media whore" in your mind as well? If you want to get all pissed off at someone, try taking it out on People Magazine, NBC, ABC, US Weekly, Fox etc, etc for filling up the news with non-stop celebrity crap at the expense of REAL stories. Obviously some massive portion of our brain-dead population is buying all this BS or else they wouldn't be pushing it down our throats daily. I never called Jolie a "hero" but I don't see the reason why everyone is so ready to try and take her down. Would you prefer that she just sit around Hollywood with her "big tits and lips" and do nothing but serve as a voiceless masturbation fantasy?
Jolie is no saint but she isn't the devil either- get over it.

Posted by: maR at January 8, 2007 3:27 PM

this movie sucked. it sucked because:
-the main characters didn't act, they just stared and acted serious, there was no range
-there was zero drama
-nobody gave a shit about any of the characters. any character that died in the movie did so without any sympathy from the audience
-there was no action. i understand the need to show the whole 'chessgame' aspect of the CIA. that doesn't mean that you can't throw in some dangerous missions in this fucking movie that was eight years long. how hard would it have been, to have given both ulysses and mother one good underling each, and we see each underling perform a dangerous operation, with maybe a little blood? not hard at all, that's the answer to that.
-the time shifting served zero purpose
-nobody gave a shit about matt damon's stupid son, we all hoped that he would get killed
-there was zero humour in the movie
-they could have made this movie amazing with all the talent, but they flushed it down the toilet

Posted by: E-man at January 11, 2007 3:04 AM

mar, your comment doesn't seem to really address what i wrote, and i'd go through it again, but i think my point was pretty clear the first time around, for those who were paying attention.

also, as i am not a celebrity, please don't shorten my alias in that inane tabloid way. thanks.

Posted by: juliagulia at January 12, 2007 2:46 PM

Finally saw it. I actually kind of liked it. I thought it felt authentic. Angelina Jolie wasn't that bad in it. Not great either, but her role was so small that it didn't really bother me at all.

I think I hated her character more than anything, but her portrayal of the character wasn't the best. The first time we see her, she's a crazy, attention starved, over sexed wacko. And then the next time we see her she's complaining about how he never talks to her. They didn't even speak when they first met. What the fuck did she expect??!

All the performances were pretty good, but I think it could have used a little humor or some light hearted moments. It was too... one note. And dreary. It could have benefited from showing more of Matt Damon and his deaf girlfriend's time together. Maybe I would have seen him relax at least a little bit in the film, I would have seen why someone loved him, and I would have cared about him more. But it seemed more like reading a non-fiction book than a watching a movie.

Posted by: kayla at January 13, 2007 11:20 PM

"I thought the point of the Joe Pesci scene was to set up Damon's line at the end, when Pesci asks "what do you people have" and Damon responds with something like "we have the United States. The rest of you are just visiting." Basically, it was underscoring the WASP-supremecist attitude of Damon and the CIA, an extension of the elitism of the Skull and Bones Society at Yale."

exactly. the scene was critical to the movie. This is a thinking man's flick; lots to talk about, lots to digest. I don't know if it was a "great" movie, but it was a deep movie. The group I went with wanted to see it again. One of the most interesting movies I've seen in years. Complex characters, interesting plot twists; moral ambiguity, but not just Matt Damon's -- ours. What is teh CIA doing in our name?

Posted by: pitchperfect at January 31, 2007 4:33 PM

Agreed with the above. And for the people who are angry about that scene and the use of the n-word, I ask this: Why do you presume that a character in the film represents the opinion of the film maker. The fact that Pesci's character associates African-Americans with music does not reflect on DeNiro's real-life racial attitudes. It's not like some 1960s Mafia figure (who Pesci plays) is going to be politically correct, nor going to even be aware that the first humans came from Africa.

It's called character realism!

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Posted by: Ant at February 23, 2007 3:39 AM

I didn't find this entertaining at all. It dragged on forever and a bit. I couldn't connect to anything that was happening on screen (this might have been simply because I was drunk and its not the type of movie to watch while drunk). All that told I still think it had great potential but didn't deliver.

Posted by: Chris at March 5, 2007 5:49 PM

I am the person who posted the comment relating to Africa and its relationship to humanity: Within my post I did not explicitly express anger over the use of the word nigger. I was commenting on the nature of White Supremacy in American cinema. I felt that a message of inferiority was being portrayed to the millions of viewers who have, and will have, watched this movie in its lifetime. There is no denying the strong link between blacks and music. However, I feel that every time a black is portrayed in a movie, he or she is cast within the realm of the original stereotypes that were presented in "The Birth of a Nation". To avoid a history lesson, those stereotypes included, but were not limited to, the mammy, jester, or the buck. I say that to say part of the reason for Pesci's character type in the film is based on Hollywood's portrayal of black's in general. I pose the questions: Could this film had existed, and could Damon's line been presented in a manner that established Pesci's character realism without so blatantly establishing stereotypical black perceived characteristics?
I feel that I have cleared up the incorrect charge of being upset behind the use of the word nigger within the scene, while simultaneously addressing the issue of the scene itself. Having stated my opinion on the movie, and after reading through the responding entries, I must give light to the fact that I am only 23 years old. There is a lot in this world that I do not understand. I, at my age, feel that a film maker creates a movie with certain goals in mind. These goals can be attained through many different paths and courses of action. Again, I do not feel that the line used to describe blacks was necessary. I feel that the line could have been conveyed in a different manner to bring home the same point; that point being, in my opinion, white male dominancy.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 6, 2007 5:51 PM

I missed something. Why did the secretary who slept with the main character get killed? I guess she was a spy since later on they found that the hearing aid was disguarded but how did Matt Damon's character know she was a spy?

Posted by: Lolo at May 7, 2007 10:17 PM

This to Lolo, posted May 7: Damon presumed she was a spy when he noticed her reacting to something she heard while turned away, standing across the room, i.e., not deaf at all as she'd presented herself. I, myself, liked the movie a lot and agree with whoever said that real spy work is mostly tedious, even boring, stuff. I can't go into how I know this to be the case, I'm sure you understand (heh heh). Anyway, what I wanted to mention was the smoothness and subtlety of how Wilson's contracting to kill his son's fiancee was handled, while clearly showing, with the Russian's comment about how he must so want her as part of his family, how the nitty gritty of his motive has more to do with his own underlying racism than any professional motivation because she is a swallow (honey-trapping KGB female operative). Very impressive movie, I thought AND Imyself am 63 years old and can assure you that any number of "50s housewives" were up there with Angelina J. for hot when they were the housewives of high-ranking members of the US intelligence community with Ivy League backgrounds. Remember Kissenger and Jill St. John? Same reasoning.

Posted by: john norman at May 27, 2007 3:50 AM

ooo... Jill St. John...now there was a babe! People, we need to just stop talking about Ms. Jolie...remember from Psych 101 that extinction is the most powerful form of behaviour modification.

I liked this movie. So far NO ONE has mentioned the actor who played Yuri Modin, John Sessions. Mr. Sessions was heavy on the improv circuit in England in the late 80's. He was somewhat annoying then, but in this role, wow! I tip my hat, sir!

While I generally like Matt Damon, in this role, I found him unconvincing. Yes he could do the silence (hell, so can I!) but he couldn't show the bubbling emotionalism underneath. Thus to my real question... who could have done this role better? Philip Seymour Hoffman, Peter Weller, ... ?

Posted by: fergus at May 30, 2007 4:18 AM