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First Sunday / Agent Bedhead

Film Reviews | January 13, 2008 | Comments (58)


You know that Tyler Perry has finally and truly arrived when the cinematic copycats have crawled out of the woodwork with cloyingly coughed-up efforts that look like a hairball shot out of the wrong end. One such copycat, screenwriter and first-time feature film director David E.Talbert, also has tons of experience on the urban theatre circuit with several plays under his grassroots belt and, in First Sunday, he continues in the Tyler Perry tradition of purporting to abolish certain stereotypes while simultaneously pigeonholing his African-American characters into oversimplified clichés of racial descriptors. Talbert has studied his subject quite well, for even though his film takes place mostly in a church, there are plenty of fat jokes, lots of homophobia, and a full port-o-potty of bathroom humor. This is what Perry has wrought — he’s bravely opened the doors to other black directors who can now come in and combine philistine humor with Christian righteousness. The result, in First Sunday, is a disorienting blend of lowbrow comedy and often hurlworthy sentimentality that’s supposed to lead its audience toward religious inspiration. Instead, I found myself instead wanting to kneel at a ceramic altar for a lengthy session of devotion.

In First Sunday, Durell (Ice Cube) and LeeJohn (Tracy Morgan) are repeat offenders of the lamest petty crimes imaginable. Durell is, allegedly, an intelligent fellow with enough of an education to know better, but has nonetheless settled comfortably into the role of a deadbeat dad. LeeJohn, named for his mother’s two boyfriends at the time of conception, is a pothead in search of his potato-chip fix. Both men have been sentenced to community service for trying to sell some stolen, pimped-out wheelchairs. While picking up trash on the streets of Baltimore, Durell is visited by the wheelchairs’ gangster suppliers, who have come to collect their money. Then, Durell’s baby mama (an entirely wasted Regina Hall) tells him that she’s moving away from Baltimore if she can’t make the next payment for her beauty salon’s lease. So, Durell must either kiss his son goodbye or come up with a quick $17,000. Although he hates the idea of robbing a church, he sees no other solution to his money problems, so he lets LeeJohn talk him into stealing the building fund of a local church. Durell’s desperate circumstances pale in comparison to the novel possibility of not living a life of crime and, just maybe, holding down an actual job to make money. Yet we take Durell and LeeJohn as we find them, and when they break into the church, they find that the entire congregation is present. Ooh, awkward. To make matters even worse, the church’s safe just happens to be empty, and the assumption is made that someone in the building still has the money. This state of affairs quickly escalates into a hostage situation with Durell and LeeJohn holding the churchgoers at gunpoint.

Within the group of devout churchgoers, a few characters deserve brief mentions. Chi McBride, whose last movie effort was the charming Brothers Solomon, materializes as the church pastor, who spends most of his onscreen time tied to a chair. Loretta Devine appears as the church secretary who triggers a bewildering outburst of tears from Tracy Morgan. Stand-up comic Katt Williams is a flamboyant choir-director in the mold of Tyler Perry’s Madea character. Finally, there is a “white Jesus” print on the wall that repeatedly freaks out LeeJohn, who is apparently allergic to the thought of a white person looking at him. All of this, somehow, causes Durell and LeeJohn to seek and receive redemption by the end of the film.

Ironically, Ice Cube, who also produces, once rapped: “Ice Cube. Is not for the pop charts.” Yet, his move through mainstream cinema couldn’t be more disheartening. After some respected dramatic roles, Ice Cube zipped through the Friday trilogy straight into a series of passable comedies followed by a vainglorious excursion into family-friendly snoozefests. Throughout most of these movies, Ice Cube pretty much does the same character: a scowling, gruff, eyebrow-raising personification of inertia. Somehow, in the first Friday film, Ice Cube clicked with his movie sidekick, Chris Tucker, with a great rapport that reminiscent of Amos and Andy. Ever the master of stoic reserve, Ice Cube decided to make two rather worthless sequels, Next Friday and Friday After Next without Tucker. Fast forward to the duo in First Sunday, Ice Cube and Tracy Morgan, who have less chemistry than cryogenic copies of Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez trying to heat up a blow torch. Ice Cube grumbles far too much to pull off the bighearted Durell, while Morgan belies his generally hilarious presence on “30 Rock” by demonstrating a sheer lack of comic timing as well as an all-around awkwardness, which is perhaps best illustrated by an overplayed crying scene during his character’s redemption.

First Sunday also fails in other major ways, but most of the blame lies with the script that tries to do too much in a very lackadaisical manner. Supposedly, this ineffective morality play functions as a farce, which seems to be a convenient label that really stupid movies rely upon to explain away their lack of coherence. Overall, the filmmakers of First Sunday make the assumption that African-American audiences will automatically enjoy and support any movie that features black actors. This presupposes a certain Tyler Perryesque formula, and to Perry’s credit, he does have it going on in terms of coherent scripting and editing work in his films. Yet with the copycat filmmakers, their formulaic approach could use some serious refining. Indeed, an example of this sloppiness appears towards the end of First Sunday, in which an urban Baltimore street contains a row of … palm trees.

Agent Bedhead lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma and can be found at agentbedhead.com.


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Comments

This movie is evil I say!
Was forced to see it by brother in law, he must now die.

Posted by: Adam C at January 13, 2008 4:46 PM

It made $19 million this weekend. It worked. Sucess.

Posted by: Brian at January 13, 2008 4:52 PM

Well...did anyone actually expect this to be a good movie? These movies recycle the same jokes, and don't even try to hide that fact anymore. What was funny the first, maybe even the second time, is just plain annoying at this point. Like a friend who repeats something funny you said in a different voice right after you say it and expects everyone to laugh with them....it just doesn't work. Ice Cube has fallen into a downward spiral of playing the same character and then beating said character with a baseball bat so he's basically playing a slightly more broken version of himself.

Seriously though....palm trees?

Posted by: Kay at January 13, 2008 4:54 PM

::frustration and pain head shake::

Ice Cube stock character, baby mommas, beauty salon payments etc...They've created a stereotype of the stereotype un-fucking-believable, someone needs to stop these mofos.
I don't even know what else to say.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 13, 2008 5:07 PM

Much love to pajiba, but...yeesh...that first paragraph may need to go back for re-editing.

Posted by: Monkey G at January 13, 2008 5:14 PM

$19 million on the first weekend? Yeesh. That's not a success, that's a suck-cess.

Posted by: Goldie at January 13, 2008 5:25 PM

Agent Bedhead you have my sympathy for having to sit through this piece of shit. I was so sure the suits at pajiba were going to give this plum assignment to my favorite reviewer, you know who.

Posted by: Pookie at January 13, 2008 6:35 PM

I'm sorry, but as a multi-ethnic person (one of those ethnicities being black) it makes me absolutley sick that these movies keep getting made and that people KEEP GOING TO SEE THEM. It's bad enough that mainstream Americans believe that most ethnic people really behave this way, but it's even worse that minority writers, directors, and actors do not use their "talents" to portray us in a more positive and realistic light. It should be possible to make a "black" comedy without highlighting and glorifying every negative minorty stereotype that exists. Something New, for example, was very enjoyable because it was not only an endearing love story/romantic comedy but it also had a cast of black characters that **GASP** went to college, had great careers, and were well-to-do. I'm also pissed to see that one of my favorite comedians, Kat Williams, has a part in this rubbish. In conclusion, I'd like to say F*CK YOU Tyler perry! F*CK YOU MARTIN LAWRENCE! F*CK YOU EDDIE MURPHY! (with the exception of old SNL episodes and Dreamgirls) And F*CK YOU TOO ICE CUBE, YOU WORTHLESS SELLOUT! I liked you much better when you were dripping jerry curl juice in Compton with Eazy-E and the rest of NWA rappin "Ice Cube is down with the PE!" Flavor Flav should beat your a$$ with one of his clocks!

Posted by: Pudenda at January 13, 2008 6:58 PM

It made $19 million this weekend.

That's no surprise. Unfortunately, it should be. Damn you, TP, DAMN YOU. Also, black masses, I beseech you to stop the madness by watching such dreck.

Posted by: Daphne at January 13, 2008 7:14 PM

Pudenda, mainstream America gave us American Idol, Britney Spears, Anna Nicole Smith, and Dane Cook. With that being said I don't think mainstream America will judge African Americans solely on the works of Ice cube and Tracy Morgan. And I guarantee you whatever other ethnicity you are ain't nothing to write home about either.

Posted by: Pookie at January 13, 2008 8:51 PM

Disappointing that this is Katt Williams' highest profile gig to date, as both his stand-up specials are really excellent.

Posted by: Mitch Clem at January 13, 2008 8:56 PM

But... My love for 30 Rock knows no limit. I fear it will begin a Arrested Development-esque need to see movies based solely on an actor with one amazing role in one incredible show.

Posted by: Tyranthesaurus at January 13, 2008 10:13 PM

Oh, AB. You know we are cool, right? I love you so much. You are a cyber-sister to me.

So I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive this:

THANK THE LORD!!!! HOLY ZOMBIE JESUS, DID I DODGE THAT BULLET!!!! IT IS A MOTHERFUCKING MIRACLE!!!! MAN, WHOEVER GOT THAT ASSIGNMENT WAS SCREEEEEEEWED!!! HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!

*starts dancing miracle jig*

Posted by: Vermillion at January 13, 2008 10:13 PM

Pookie, that's an excellent point... proportionately speaking, the ratio of shit-to-quality production is likely the same, regardless of ethnic group. Yet no one is screaming "DAMMIT, WHITE AMERICA! STOP WATCHING TWO AND A HALF MEN!"

Posted by: TK at January 13, 2008 10:18 PM

This is what Perry has wrought -- he's bravely opened the doors to other black directors who can now come in and combine philistine humor with Christian righteousness.

Mike Huckabee's presidential campaign is using the same gag. Hopefully Metamucil jokes and floating crosses won't be enough to take the White House.

Posted by: Flea at January 13, 2008 10:32 PM

Blah, I didn't really like Something New. The story was much better written than Perry's stuff (it doesn't take much), but in some ways it was just as silly in that it oversimplified its characters and relied on sterotypes. The black woman is uptight and self conscious, the white guy is a hippy free thinker. They meet. She resists. He laughs at her. She gets embarrassed. They fall in love. Her friends laugh at her. He encourages her to wear her natural hair, and so (now, this is what really got me) she trades her straight weave for a curly one. Her friends mock her in finger waving, eye rolling, sistahgirl fashion etc. etc. And how in the world did the white guy not experience an ounce of social awkwardness on his end of the situation?

One thing I did love about Something New was Sanaa Lathan. She's beautiful and a great actress, and she deserves better work and more exposure. There seems to be no place for female black actors. Shame.

But anyway, about First Sunday. I was actually considering going to see this. I love Tracey Morgan and thought the commercials looked funny. I guess I was looking forward to some decent and mindless entertainment, but really, I'm not surprised that this is nothing more than mindless. Oh well. I guess I'll rely on old Eddie Murphy movies, Spike Lee joints, and A Raisin in the Sun to get my black cinema fix.

Posted by: kayla at January 13, 2008 10:48 PM

Yet no one is screaming "DAMMIT, WHITE AMERICA! STOP WATCHING TWO AND A HALF MEN!"

I don't know if I agree with that. Generally speaking, there are a number of TV shows that are critically panned yet seen and (seemingly) adored by the general public. Granted, the critics may not address White America specifically, but there is much gnashing of teeth over the popularity of some shows. Plus, isn't the middle America or YOU that is so often referenced and insulted here made up of majority whites, presumably? Unless I am not understanding your point, TK....if so, never mind and strike the previous comments off the record.

Also, I'm not sure of the ethnic shit-to-quality ratio, either. Anybody know of a site that looks at that sort of thing? I know what my perception is, but I also know perception does not equal reality all the time.

Posted by: Daphne at January 13, 2008 11:51 PM

Yet no one is screaming "DAMMIT, WHITE AMERICA! STOP WATCHING TWO AND A HALF MEN!"

I thought that's what we do. Maybe no one of consequence is saying this?

Posted by: katy at January 14, 2008 12:03 AM

Forgot to add - I also liked Next Friday, in addition to the great Friday. I didn't even try with Friday After Next.

I'm thinking Tracy Morgan might be in a right place/right time situation with 30 Rock. He's definitely hit and miss, with more miss than hit.

Posted by: katy at January 14, 2008 12:06 AM

Daphne, you understand fully TK's point. The outrage that is generated towards black shit pales in comparison to white shit. But in America white shit is more palatable than black shit. Assuming all shit is equal of course.

Posted by: Pookie at January 14, 2008 12:16 AM

Yeah, it's true that this movie sounds like it has as much to do with shattering stereotypes and as Carlos Mencia or that one time I saw "The Cookout" (why Danny Glover, why did you appear in that movie?).

If there's one thing I remember from "Bamboozled," it all eventually boils down to what some old (probably white) studio exec believes will sell enough tickets and DVDs to turn a profit. If he thinks that retreading old racist jokes ("haha, black people love eating unhealthy food and playing basketball! Let's make a whole movie out of it!") will do it, and people pay money to watch it, and he can find someone who needs the money enough to write it, then why shouldn't he keep greenlighting these piles of shit?

Obviously, I'm just an uptight white boy who can't see the humor in yet another "who's my baby's daddy?" joke.

Posted by: MrSparkle at January 14, 2008 12:28 AM

Yet no one is screaming "DAMMIT, WHITE AMERICA! STOP WATCHING TWO AND A HALF MEN!"
I mostly mutter it under my breath when with my folks or the in-laws.

...there is much gnashing of teeth over the popularity of some shows...
Well, yes. But then I watch BSG and I'm in a happier place.

Posted by: demondoll at January 14, 2008 1:04 AM

MrSprakle, I see you've run out of Aluminium foil again.

Posted by: Pookie at January 14, 2008 1:04 AM

Pookie, aren't you American? I thought you guys spell it "aluminum"? Or did I imagine this? Never mind.

Here's the weird part, the cinema here won't show "No country for old men", but they WILL show this shit and Tyler Perry crap. The really weird part is I live in a relatively small town in the middle of Norway, most of the black people around here (max.100) are African or African-European, meaning most of the jokes go over our heads (speaking for myself at least). You'd wonder then who they're assuming will watch these films. Then it came to me in a flash of mind-numbing inspiration: white Norwegians = black Americans.

Posted by: joker at January 14, 2008 5:12 AM

Pookie - you forgot The Girls Next Door, Friends,Rock of Love (1 AND!! 2), and the Kardashians show- yeah I know they are of some sort of Mid Easternish descent, but they exemplify the very worst of whitey America.

Posted by: the dude at January 14, 2008 9:11 AM

I guess the point I was trying to make is this: If you look at the total number of shows/movies featuring white people, and the total number of shows/movies featuring black people, the ratio of good to bad is probably similar... it's just that there are MORE shows/movies with white people, so there appears to be a higher quality quotient. BUT, when people bash the black shows/movies, they do it be referencing ethnicity or race. And when we bash the middle American, white ones, we do it without that.

Meaning, when there is a lousy movie that features black people, we focus on how lousy it is, qualified by race. When there is a lousy movie about white people, we simply call it lousy, without regard to race. And that strikes me as unfair.

I don't know if that explained my point clearly, or even if the point makes sense. Really, Pookie just sowed the seed of it in my head, so gimme some time to work the kinks out of the theory. But Pookster, I think you're on to something (assuming we're on the same page).

Posted by: TK at January 14, 2008 9:12 AM

Ugh. That comment was overly long, and redundant at that. Apologies. It's early, I haven't had enough coffee, and it's snowing like a motherfucker outside.

Posted by: TK at January 14, 2008 9:15 AM

I see where you are going, TK, and I am right there with you. But I think you are forgetting one thing that is throwing off your astute observation:

Some black people defend their own to the death, no matter how crappy it may be. It is the same logic that informs such genius moves as by Michael Vick, OJ Simpson, and R. Kelly.

Every time someone brings up a reasonable problem they have with a movie like this, black folk come flowing all out of the woodwork ready to bite your head off. Apparently, thinking a "black" movie is bad is tantamount to going to MLK's grave, digging him up, and defecating straight into his barren skull. For some reason, other races/creeds/colors don't do it. Maybe because most don't have enough annoying race-baiting asswipes in their communities.

So any real debate about the film's quality is already going to be steeped in race issues, since those defending it will immediately pull the race card and say that old refrain: "If it had white people in it, it would win an Oscar" or something to that nature. They don't seem to get that plenty of shitty "white" movies won Oscars, and quite a few black films did the same.

The defenders make it about race, so what are the detractors to do? They can't simply ignore the ridiculous argument; it is the only one they have. So they get suckered in to having to qualify their hatred of a crappy product, couching it in a pointless racial context.

In other words, the reason we have to use race in our criticism of these movies is because their supporters do the same, and will not consider any other argument unless it includes same.

P.S. Dude, don't worry about how long your comment was. Let that flow out of you like I do. That is how I got where I am. Broke, hungry and alone, really.

Posted by: Vermillion at January 14, 2008 9:34 AM

As a long-time Tracy Morgan apologist (since the SNL days) I have found that the man is best used when you reign him in a little. In small doses, he can be brilliant, but he tends to run things into the ground if he's given enough time and not enough to work with. And, Ice Cube, ummm....what can you say really? He's not the first and won't be the last to give in to the giant sack of money (with the $ painted on it) that they throw at him when he agrees to do these projects. Money talks after all..

Posted by: jay at January 14, 2008 9:38 AM

Gee, Vermillion, when you say it like that...

I suppose you are correct. My only response is that while what you say is true, the fact remains that when a movie like this comes out, before any person, black or otherwise, defends it for any reason, the first critical bullet out of the gun refers to the ethnicity of the cast or director.

Posted by: TK at January 14, 2008 9:40 AM

Actually Joker, you can spell it either way. In America it's spelled Aluminum, but in Europe it's spelled Aluminium. And since I think globally I thought I'd throw out some love to my brothers on the European front lines in this cultural war.

Posted by: Pookie at January 14, 2008 10:50 AM

I for one, am sick to death of the swivel head,finger waging uhu's, aha mmmm's, bullshit. I haven't seen any self respecting black woman do that shit in YEARS.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 14, 2008 10:54 AM

I find it funny that the issue is always black or white (because when you turn out the light, it's alright!). As a Hispanic, I do see caricatures, but am not generally offended by them and I have no problem decrying the cliche whenever the line is crossed. No matter how many Mexicanos I see in the movie, if it is a pile of shit, I will call it as such. And then I'll go back to fixing my low-rider and turn the oldies back up.

Posted by: ScarletKnight at January 14, 2008 10:58 AM

Where is the VeggieTales review? I figured that would have been scare in the center of the radar with a little lihght next to it, blinking, showing the words 'Defenseless Target - ATTACK!!!!'

Posted by: PissBoy at January 14, 2008 11:06 AM

Well put TK, it's very convenient to forget that Agent bedhead thought it necessary to mention Terry Perry's single handed destruction of black cimema. Had Agent Bedhead simply said this movie is a piece of shit without throwing in that Molotov cocktail that is race, I don't think we would be here having this debate about who makes the more shitty movie, blacks or whites. Then we wouldn't have Claude once again questioning why blacks feel it necessary to respond to a shot across the bow by Agent bedhead.

Posted by: Pookie at January 14, 2008 11:26 AM

I dont know what shocks me more, that
Tracy Morgan is considered humorous, or
that people will not speak badly about him.

Am i the only human that just finds him completely unfunny??

It seems like there are funny words coming out of his mouth, and in any other actor they could be hilarious.

He just seems to have made butchering comidic lines an artform.

Posted by: Thatguyphil at January 14, 2008 12:26 PM

Vermillion, given your many talents, I am certain that you will not be broke forever. Or even in the long term. Presumably with money, the hunger subsides (unless....what type of hunger are we talking about?). You're on your own with the alone part, though. Kidding!

Had Agent Bedhead simply said this movie is a piece of shit without throwing in that Molotov cocktail that is race, I don't think we would be here having this debate about who makes the more shitty movie, blacks or whites.

Hmmm, perhaps. Then again, and I think this goes back to Vermillion's point - there is still the belief that calling a movie with a primarily black cast shit is, by essence of that criticism, throwing race into it. Circular argument alert?

Posted by: Daphne at January 14, 2008 12:38 PM

Thanks for the support Daphne. Even though you do mock my solitude. *tear*

I should clarify that my experiences may differ from yours. Take into account, this film. You know how so many folks have complained about the viral marketing of Cloverfield (which I have yet to see)? Well, replace that with First Sunday, and you know how my entire winter has been up to this point. Everywhere I turn, somebody is pushing this flick as some great sign of a new Renaissance. Ad of course, they can't can't promote it without invoking the name of the Holy Tyler of Perry, patron saint of pissing me the fuck off. And all the while, the self-designated protectors are girding up for battle, shielding the ever-so-sensitive buttcheeks of the filmmaker/cast with eternally puckered lips.

So while in your neck of the woods, it seems like the criticism is preemptive, I am over here in Hell screaming "ABOUT MOTHERFUCKING TIME!!!!"

And the really shitty part is that all this mess is going to start up again with the next film.

Posted by: Vermillion at January 14, 2008 1:09 PM

Wow...I really didn't think that my little rant would encourage such discussion. Pookie, (who shares the same nickname as my son) TK, and Vermillion, thanks for your perspectives and input. My point, whether well-stated or not, was that black people are going to see this movie and saying it's "wonderful" just because it's a movie starring black people. It guaranteed to make a certain amount of $$$ simply because some of my brethren will watch any crap that is written, directed by, and/or starring other minorities just because it is written, directed by, and/or starring minorities. And anyone who criticizes it...must be racist. So that is the only reason I included my multi-ethnic heritage into the post. I'm black, Native American, Irish and French, a shit movie is a shit movie to me, regardless of what color the actors are. But I had countless friends or relatives mention how they were either going to see, had already seen, or had seen and loved this flaming pile of noxious tripe! I don't have to deal with that with my other cohorts or counterparts. No one in my family automatically loves (or even watches) every freaking Colin Farrell movie just because were Irish. Nor do they flock to every movie starring a Native American or French cast. My uncle, who is Japanese, doesn't see every karate movie or love every one he sees. I just find it unbelievably annoying that otherwise smart, rational people lose all sense of taste and judgment simply based on race, and my being multi-racial puts me at a rare vantage point (in my opinion) in which I have friends and relatives of all races and creeds that I interact with on a daily basis. (Seriously, our family photos look like the United Colors of Beneton ads from the 80's)

And I know, there's plenty of trash out there from every ethnic background, I'm not saying there isn't. But I do not agree that there are as many decent, successful films with minority casts as there are with non-minority casts, and minorities deserve much of the blame. If there were 1. It wouldn't have taken so long or been such a big deal when Halle and Denzel won Oscars and 2. At least two out of every 10 movies released would star an all or mostly minority cast. (blacks and hispanice make up well more than 20% or the U.S population, not to mention other minorities) Just look at the proportion of comments here. This post went up yesterday, however todays diversion, which has only been up for a few hours all ready has 3 times as many comments. What movie gets reviewed on Pajiba and has less than 40 posts after 24 hours on the site? The average poster (whom I consider to be rather intelligent on Pajiba) isn't even bothering with this thread b/c they know the movie is trash that doesn't deserve the time of day. Yet it still pulled in millions this weekend.

Posted by: Pudenda at January 14, 2008 2:40 PM

Pudenda, I agree with some of your points. But a few issues have poked at me a bit - 1. I didn't say there are as many good movies with minority casts. I said proportionately there are as many. As in, 950/1000 white, mainstream movies are shit to the 95/100 minority ones. So while there are fewer good minority movies, it's probably even with the overall proportion.

That said, there is good reason why so many black people flock to these movies, and it ties into my previous point... that is to say there are so few options that, well, what else is there. If minorities tend to identify with their own groups (and your situation, like mine, is different in that you don't identify with a particular group specifically), then they will want to see movies with minorities, even if some of them are terrible.

Not to mention that the Hollywood machine and marketing teams are slowly convincing minorities that they SHOULD enjoy crap like this. But I don't think it's fair to just blame the people watching it.

Oh, and one more thing - Karate is Chinese, not Japanese. ;-)

Posted by: TK at January 14, 2008 2:55 PM

Claude's point is that he wonders why blacks come out of the woodwork when a black film is criticized. Blacks come out not because the movie is being criticized, but because it's never about a shitty movie. For the reviewer it's an opportunity to give us a dissertation on the social ills that confront black America, or to tell us that once again TP has fucked up the black cinema experience. White directors never have to worry about carrying the whole white race on there backs, but somehow black directors are almost forced to deal with the race question. White directors can make shitty movies and not have to face race questions. Not once did the directors of The Bucket list, The Orphanage, National Treasure, Alvin and the Chipmunks and every other movie that was not directed by someone black have to answer questions concerning race. But somehow TP is the lighting rod for all things fucked up, even though TBS gives him 2 hours of prime time every time I pass by that fucking channel. If Agent BedHead had simply said this movie was a piece of shit because the plot was silly or the acting was horrible then everything would have been fine. But Agent BedHead through a Molotov cocktail when it was implied that the fall of civilization was due to his film making.

Posted by: Pookie at January 14, 2008 3:23 PM

You've all made some very valid points, and in my personal experience, TK is right. The proportion of white shit/black shit is pretty close. But my question is why is anyone surprised? I mean, regardless of ethnicity, we're all raised with relatively similar social conditioning, so is it any wonder that our society turns out crap in equal amounts? And by extension, is it at all surprising that the masses, whatever their ethnicity, continue to support it? Take the Scary Movie franchise. Crap supported across ethnic lines.

The fact of the matter is that grand majority of us are sheep, and if they tell us it's good, we believe.

Posted by: Smokin at January 14, 2008 3:27 PM

I think you're right, Pooks, with one quick caveat - part of the reason that Tyler Perry and his ilk are criticized regarding the race issue is because the movies tend to focus on being black, in and of itself. It's not a movie that happens to have black people in it... but I think that's a minor point. Much like some Spike Lee movies, they are, to a certain extent, about "the black experience", and thus will inevitably be judged on those grounds. The difference is, of course, that Spike is a good director, and Perry is a hack, regardless of what race he casts in his movies.

And can I just say this? White directors never have to worry about carrying the whole white race on there backs, but somehow black directors are almost forced to deal with the race question.

That's an excellent statement. I wish I'd thought to say it myself, since it sums up my point in far less verbose fashion.

Finally, Smokin: You've all made some very valid points, and in my personal experience, TK is right...

I'd like someone to make shirts with that on it.

Posted by: TK at January 14, 2008 3:43 PM

I think you're right, Pooks, with one quick caveat - part of the reason that Tyler Perry and his ilk are criticized regarding the race issue is because the movies tend to focus on being black, in and of itself. It's not a movie that happens to have black people in it... but I think that's a minor point. Much like some Spike Lee movies, they are, to a certain extent, about "the black experience", and thus will inevitably be judged on those grounds. The difference is, of course, that Spike is a good director, and Perry is a hack, regardless of what race he casts in his movies.

And can I just say this? White directors never have to worry about carrying the whole white race on there backs, but somehow black directors are almost forced to deal with the race question.

That's an excellent statement. I wish I'd thought to say it myself, since it sums up my point in far less verbose fashion.

Finally, Smokin: You've all made some very valid points, and in my personal experience, TK is right...

I'd like someone to make shirts with that on it.

Posted by: TK at January 14, 2008 3:45 PM

I think everyone has had some great input and valid points, that's one thing I love about Pajiba, people actually argue their points and differences of opinion rationally and eloquently.(which is one of the reasons I'm trying to be more of a poster and less of a lurker) I can't believe that lil ol me got all this whoopla started. **I'm snapping my fingers in a "Z" in the air while doing the neck thingie that we black women do... okaaaaaay** (BTW, in a funny little side-note, when I was pregnant, I jokingly told my son's father (who is German) that black people had an extra bone in our necks which allowed us to do the head-swervy-neck-thingy...one day, well into my pregnancy, he asked me if our child would be born with the extra neck bone, or only half of it. Seriously. People are really that clueless. Boy did I dive into the shallow end of the gene pool with him.)

TK, "White directors never have to worry about carrying the whole white race on there backs, but somehow black directors are almost forced to deal with the race question." Is a great point and something along the line of what I was thinking.

It's funny, I spent the weekend arguing fruitlessly with people I know in trying to explain to them that viewing this moving was giving in to the lowest common denominator. I post those thoughts here and get ripped a new one as well. I love it. I really do, I'm not being a smartass.

With that being said...I still vehemently hate Tyler Perry, Madea, Big Momma, Norbit, Professor Klump, all of the Friday movies beside the first, Barbershop, Beauty Salon, and all the other craptastic, stereotypocal, "black" movie and anyone who creates them, encourages them, enjoys them, or helps them turn a profit.

Posted by: Pudenda at January 14, 2008 4:27 PM

Don't get me wrong, Pudenda, I don't mean to say you should see these movies. God, no. They're the worst kind of dreck. I was more pointing out that there are some interesting sociological issues behind them and their viewership that demand closer examination. And I hope you don't feel like I was ripping you a new one, as that was never my intention. Trust me, when I rip on people, I swear more. That should be the measuring stick.

Posted by: TK at January 14, 2008 4:38 PM

TK, are you accusing me of plagiarism? if so I'd pay any amount to make this unseemly accusation go away. Please forgive me for stealing your material.

Posted by: Pookie at January 14, 2008 4:54 PM

Nope. In fact, the very opposite. I'm wishing I'd thought to write what you wrote. I think we're arguing from the same side of the fence on this one.

Posted by: TK at January 14, 2008 4:57 PM

WOW, I'm truly stunned at the level of hate against TP. I would hate to see how he would be received if TP did anything illegal.

Posted by: Pookie at January 14, 2008 5:04 PM

Sure, Tracy Morgan can be funny. Katt Williams, however, is consistently hilarious and brilliant. I caught him randomly on HBO and was hooked.

Posted by: Samantha T at January 14, 2008 5:07 PM

TP, I take my being ripped a new one as part of my initiation into Pajibaland. I seriously take no offense and enjoyed the banter. Like I said, I'm in shock that I finally work up the balls to say something on this site and actually elicited a response that turned into quite an active discussion. Thanks to all for your thoughts and feelings. (Oh shit, was that last sentence too nice of an ending to join the ranks of scathing and/or bitchy? I always fuck things up. Damnit!)

Posted by: Pudenda at January 14, 2008 5:56 PM

Pudenda - Your parenthetical in the last post indicates that you truly belong. So, welcome to the ranks of the Eloquents!

TK - I thought you might like that.

Posted by: Smokin at January 14, 2008 6:09 PM

Smokin, that my friend might be the best comeback of all time. I'd be honored to go in my stash and bring out the good shit and give you a sample.

Posted by: Pookie at January 14, 2008 6:23 PM

Thanks for the support Daphne. Even though you do mock my solitude. *tear*

Aw, Vermillion, I was just teasin'. It's otay. *rubs Vermillion's back* No funny business, or I'm telling Alex!

White directors never have to worry about carrying the whole white race on there backs, but somehow black directors are almost forced to deal with the race question.

True. Perk for being the majority, I suppose.

Posted by: Daphne at January 14, 2008 7:17 PM

And you are ok with the majority having that perk Daphne?

Posted by: Pookie at January 14, 2008 7:44 PM

I'd rather have another crappy Tyler Perry film than another trio of white shit devastation à la Ben Stiller, Dane Cook, and Adam Sandler.

Posted by: The Stew at January 14, 2008 9:11 PM

Am I ok with it? I don't have an opinion one way or the other. I think it's a fact of life in the United States, and don't ever really see it changing.

Posted by: Daphne at January 14, 2008 9:20 PM

Yesterday in my attempt to argue a point, I skimmed over every comment that was posted to get some sort of consensus. Most of the time I would read and keep going without giving what the poster wrote much thought. Out of the corner of my eye I glanced at the comments of Claude. In his attempt to make his point he used Mick Vick (confessed dog killer), R. Kelly( soon to begin trial for statutory rape), and O.J. Simpson( found innocent of murder, but guilty of contributing to the murder). I have know idea what those men have in common other than being black, but it struck me as odd that he would bring up those names in connection with the failures(in his mind)of black directors, and black movies. It is sad in a way that he would use murder, rape, and animal cruelty to make his point about what he perceives as a lack of sophistication on the part of the average black person that goes to see a black movie. I guarantee you in a million years he would never bring up murder, rape, and animal cruelty when referencing white directors or......gotta go American Idol is on

Posted by: Pookie at January 15, 2008 8:40 PM





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