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The Express / Dustin Rowles

Film Reviews | October 10, 2008 | Comments (76)


The Express is almost exactly what you’d expect from the inspirational-sports film genre, similar to most of the inspired-by-true-events sports stories you get around this time of the year, before the holidays usher in the real tear-jerkers. On most days, I’d be inclined to write that it’s a cheesy, hokum-filled paint-by-numbers affair, mostly predictable if you don’t know the story of Ernie Davis already, and completely predictable if you do. But I’m not in a cynical mood today, and as a famous movie critic should’ve said at some point, 50 percent of film criticism depends on which side of the bed you wake up (I’d argue it’s only 20 percent, but I don’t see much use in quibbling with a fictional critic).

The truth is, I feel like cutting The Express some slack today. Not because it’s an outstanding movie that drew its audience to its feet, because it’s not. But because it’s not a bad movie, either, and because I got to thinking somewhere around the three-quarters mark, that were it not for movies like The Express, no one under the age of 40 would ever know about the lives of people like Ernie Davis, the first African-American to win the Heisman Trophy. And no, it’s not the Nobel Prize. Or the majority of the electorate in a predominantly white location. But in 1962, winning the Heisman meant more than you can imagine.

A few weeks ago, we ran a comment diversion here on Pajiba, addressing issues of race, in response to a quote from will.i.am, who said that for people under the age of 40, racism doesn’t even exist anymore. The Eloquents quickly and fairly put that myth to rest, and for good reason. But, I do think we can all agree there’s been considerable advancement, more in some places than others. And the fact that the next President of the United States has a better chance than not in being an African-American is a testament to that progress. Yet, I do feel that, were it not for movies like The Express, people under a certain age wouldn’t appreciate how hard it once was for African-Americans in this country, how much hard work it took to get us to this point. My only issue with the Disneyfied approach to these stories, however, is that the younger generation may also get the idea that African-Americans combated racism with big smiles and Motown songs. I do wish filmmakers didn’t see fit to sugarcoat the ugliness with “My Girl.” But then again, if sugarcoating is what it takes to make these stories commercially viable, then I suppose we’ll take what we can get.

Because, honestly, there aren’t that many inspirational figures left in our country. Sure, we’ve got Barack Obama, but even he’s got some of the stink of politician stuck to him. Lance Armstrong courageously defeated cancer and won a string of Tours de France (though, he also left his wife) and Tiger Woods, I suppose, could be considered an inspiration to some, or at least those who don’t think he’s a dick. Hillary Clinton? Sure. I guess. (Mini-diversion: Who is the most genuinely inspirational figure in America today?). It’s because of that dearth of inspirational figures, I’d argue, that we need to borrow them from decades past, even if it does mean reducing their lives to a Hollywood formula.

Anyway, those were the thoughts swirling around my tiny brain as I walked out of the theater satisfied enough with what I’d just witnessed. I was appreciative because I’d been told about the life of a man I’d never heard of, and his life story was compelling enough to make me want to know more. And what I learned was that The Express didn’t take a lot of liberties to get its point across. It didn’t have to. Because Ernie Davis’ life was a compelling one. Davis was raised in Pennsylvania by his grandparents; he moved to Elmira, NY with his mom when he was 12. And he learned to run because it was easier than standing around and letting white kids beat him senseless. That ability to run translated onto the football field, and he was ultimately recruited by Syracuse University to play running back, replacing their star running back, Jim Brown, arguably the best running back in college at the time, but not appreciated for it because he was black.

At SU, Davis butted heads with his coach, Hall of Famer Ben Schwartzwalder (Dennis Quaid), because Schwartzwalder - as good a coach as he was - also had a racist streak, as did the majority of the campus. And as you might expect for a movie of this ilk, coach and player learned from each other, and they both succeeded as a team and as individuals because of it. Hearts are warmed all around.

I also appreciated that, though there was certainly a great deal of Hollywood in the production of The Express, they stuck to the narrative, even if it did mean the climactic scenes weren’t saved for the final minutes. Life so rarely hews closely to stock formulas. Dennis Quaid is solid, as is Charles Durning as Davis’ grandfather, and Rob Brown, who plays Davis, is serviceable. The director, Gary Fleder — working from a script based on Robert Gallagher’s biography, The Elmira Express — appropriately stands back and lets the story do all the work. And it really is a great story, folks. And though the movie only barely rises above mediocrity, my only real misgiving with it is the way it reminds me that there are so few people like Ernie Davis remaining in this nation. But I am nevertheless strangely thankful that these old stories, hackneyed and clichéd though they may be, are recycled for new generations that can appreciate them.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. He lives withi his wife and son in Portland, Maine You can reach him via email, or leave a comment below.


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Comments

y only issue with the Disneyfied approach to these stories, however, is that the younger generation may also get the idea that African-Americans combated racism with big smiles and Motown songs.

This is also my major issue with these stories, too. But you bring up a good point... were it not for these Disney-fied versions, I'd have difficulty expressing the sentiments of the era to my 3rd grade students without giving them nightmares.

Posted by: Ciji at October 10, 2008 3:27 PM

Tiger Woods is an inspiration to his people alright: white, affluent, oppressed old guys.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 3:28 PM

And erm... do you mean Charles Dutton?

Posted by: Ciji at October 10, 2008 3:35 PM

Rowles you are so fucking condescending with your oh let's give "The Express" some slack today comment. What's wrong, is your conscience bothering you?

Posted by: Pookie at October 10, 2008 3:40 PM

wait....you mean African-Americans DON'T combat racism with a smile and mowtown songs??? Damnit! Now I have to question everything I ever learned from movies....thanks for nothing!

Posted by: SashaCA2 at October 10, 2008 3:43 PM

Sorry, but Jim Brown is the greatest running back of all time, not just the greatest college running back in 1962. That is non-negotiable.

I think Cornell West is very inspirational. But that is probably just because I'm a pinko leftist Pajiba reader. Do I get points for having seen him speak at Ole Miss instead of a bastion of Commie liberalism?

Posted by: courtney at October 10, 2008 4:07 PM

Cornell West?! See, when dedisney-fy your inspirational african-americans, I get all uncomfortable. That guy talks funny and looks gross.

Posted by: Handel at October 10, 2008 4:17 PM

Even if this movie is only serviceable, it will still make me cry when I watch it some Saturday afternoon on TBS.

As for inspirational figures, I honestly can't think of any. Maybe Oprah, if you cut off her history before she gets syndicated.

Now if you'll excuse me - I'm gonna go stick my hand in a door jamb for thinking Oprah was inspirational.

Posted by: Marra at October 10, 2008 4:19 PM

Greatest College runnging back of all time - Archie Griffin

Greatest NFL running back of all time - Sweetness

Posted by: Handel at October 10, 2008 4:21 PM

Amen on Archie, Handel. Go Bucks.

Posted by: Weck at October 10, 2008 4:27 PM

I think the problem with finding heroes today is that they are thrust into the limelight too early and too often. I think Tiger is a good hero. He plays the sport well and, as far as I know, he is clean (drug free) and has good sportsmanship. He will never be considered a great hero because, despite his great back story, he has zero charisma. Lance gets around all of this by being arguably the greatest Tour rider of all time. Since US media doesn't cover the Tour no one here knows what a giant dick he is generally considered to be by most of the cycling community. So Lance gets all the hero worship for his success, but none of the backlash for his bad sportmanship and lack of class on the French stage. On the American stage he is all class and gets everyone on board with cancer research. Wow, I am starting to think that Lance is the most brilliant celebrity that every lived. I still don't think he is nice guy.

Posted by: Maples at October 10, 2008 4:28 PM

Who is the most genuinely inspirational figure in America today?

I would say Paul Newman but waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Posted by: mswas at October 10, 2008 4:37 PM

I'm taking a stained glass class and I'm the youngest person in there by at least 30 years if not 40, (I'm 26 for reference). This week they were discussing that one of the women's neighbor had just sold a home. As the woman was describing her new neighbor she said, "he's white, has a wife and at teenage son, works at blah blah blah". Okay a little odd to lead off with race, but I'm there. And then the woman says how happy she is that they didn't "have any of those black or hispanic". She had threatened to track down the selling neighbor if she sold to a "black or hispanic" and from there the conversation became about how you can't control who buys your house or moves next to you, but "it seems like you should". I was incredibly uncomfortable and went to the very noisy grinding equipment so as not to have to hear it.

I couldn't help but thinking, what if a gay couple had moved in? What if my lily white brother and his partner bought that house? Is that better or worse than a "black or hispanic"? And then I thought about the racism comment diversion and realized I'm a big huge geek.

Posted by: libraryliz at October 10, 2008 4:44 PM

libraryliz ,

Don't fret... my parents were the first of "those people" on the block, and White flight sent them all to the Valley, which meant more of those Black people could move in. 30 years later, the home values have multiplied tenfold (yes, even in this economy) and the neighborhood is still considered on of the safest and most exclusive in the southland.

Posted by: ciji at October 10, 2008 4:54 PM

You couldn't tell off a bunch of 56 and 66 year-olds, [b]libraryliz[/b]? What are they going to do, gum you? Hit you with their canes?

People shouldn't be allowed to talk like that in public while decent people listen and say nothing. That just makes them think it's ok.

You should have seen the scolding I had to give my 80 year-old grandmother when she took in a stray black cat and tried to name it "Darkie."

Just because old people are cute and defenseless doesn't mean they don't need to be bitchslapped by decent people once in a while.

Posted by: Bucko at October 10, 2008 5:06 PM

I know Bucko, I hated myself for not saying anything. I told myself I don't know these women, I'm only seeing them once a week for two months. The woman making the worst comments was the instructor, and I just want to finish my project. I was frozen. No one has said anything like that to me before. (sheltered life) If it had been a friend of mine, I would have told them off (but friends of mine wouldn't say that).

I do know that I'm switching studios to a different instructor the next time I sign up for a class. I can't give her my money again.

Does anyone have any suggestions that won't get me kicked out of class but will make my point nicely and eloquently?

Posted by: libraryliz at October 10, 2008 5:12 PM

While it's occasionally difficult to find someone truly inspirational there is a man with a story that isn't dissimilar to Lance Armstrong, but without the stank of infidelity and divorce. John Lester on the Red Sox battled back from cancer to become a Red Sox ace. He doesn't get the coverage that Josh Beckett and Papelbon get, but this year he's probably been the best pitcher on the team. If beating cancer to become a star baseball player and fan favorite isn't inspirational then I'm not sure what is.

Posted by: Rorny at October 10, 2008 5:17 PM

If all it takes to be an inspiration is to battle back from a disease and be a sports star then my vote goes to Saiku Koivu and if you don't know who that is learn it now because Nanook the eskimo takes no excuses

Posted by: SashaCA2 at October 10, 2008 5:39 PM

Hey, it's not just white people who are racist.

True story: Hubby and I are different religions. My Mom was putting together our wedding (she just took over and I let her), and her cleaning lady (who was black) made a comment about how excited my Mom must be. Mom sighed loudly and said, "But it's a mixed marriage." Then the cleaning lady said, "That's terrible. Black people should never marry white people." And Mom's jaw dropped and said, "Oh, he's white. He's just not Jewish." And the cleaning lady said, "You call THAT a mixed marriage?" Mom was A-OK with hubby after that.

Posted by: BWeaves at October 10, 2008 5:41 PM

The only inspirational person I can think of is Ken Burns, and I'm only saying that because it's so rare to find someone who believes in America so much. He's a captivating speaker because he's so excited about American culture and absorbs himself in it. So in and of himself, Ken Burns isn't inspirational, but his appreciation of inspirational Americans in the past make him so.

Posted by: kelsy at October 10, 2008 5:50 PM

Handel wrote: "Greatest NFL running back of all time - Sweetness."

Damn straight. Best fighter to watch - "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler. Inspirations, both. I was not too long ago in a random, "best back / best fighter / best whatever" and mentioned these two. No one else in the room had heard of either. I wept. I cried real tears.

Mini-diversion: Who is the most genuinely inspirational figure in America today?

Maybe not today, but Sweetness (Walter Payton for the uninformed) and Hagler were inspirational in their own ways. Payton had his own conditioning routine that made me tired just reading it. He used the off-season to work on his condition, strength and moves, not to relax. Was known for coming to training camp already in peak condition. Also along with the speed, moves & etc. he was an incredibly durable back. So many of the current crop are all natural-talent flash without the hard work to make it reliable.

Watching Payton run - well, that's where the name came from. It was sweetness. I also never saw him duck a hit. He was infamous for "second effort." Here's another story. Every time as he got up from a carry, he'd put the ball down up by his head. Every time. Interviewed about it he said, more or less: "I figure maybe it influence the spot a little. Maybe only an inch or two, but over a lot of carries, it adds up."

The guy worked on how to contribute. Could have rested on any of half a dozen talents, but worked to polish the whole package. Reputed to be kind, humble and easy to work with, too.

Hagler, on the other hand, worked hard to have every tool - speed, power, movement, right or left handed. Incredible conditioning, too. He won each fight differently.

Most of his fights looked like two fights, a clinic then a rout. First, he'd adjust, and adjust, and adjust. You'd see every boxing skill there was, and well done. Then when he had the answer, he'd bore in with that one thing for a couple rounds - relentless and completely over-matching the other guy.

We don't have inspirational figures much these days. The media of destruction and dings doesn't allow it. The good folk don't get any air play, and we celebrate success however earned, not how you got there.

So, sorry kidlings. You're on your own finding heroes these days. Of course, if you want an inspiration, you can always choose to live so that you are your own inspiration. Didn't say it would be easy.

BTW, in this community for inspiration I nominate Alabanapink. Why is this even a question?

Payton / Hagler '08

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 10, 2008 5:52 PM

Cornell West?! See, when dedisney-fy your inspirational african-americans, I get all uncomfortable. That guy talks funny and looks gross.

Posted by: Handel at October 10, 2008 4:17 PM

Cornel West is a terrific gadfly and a good, albeit wordy, thinker. You could say the same things about Steven Hawking (and you'd be right, after a fashion), but I'm not sure how this helps your point. Uh, you do have a point, right?

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 5:57 PM

With regard to to the actual film, let's remember the fact the Dennis Quaid is all up in there, he's like Kurt Russell, making ANYTHING watchable.
Case in point: The Parent Trap, he was the best thing about that flick, you had that freckled crackwhore hamming it up and everyone thought she was fucking Bette Davis reborn. That just shows people and the idiot critics didn't understand the plot. It wasn't about no fuckin' twins, it was about the dad.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 5:59 PM

wait....you mean African-Americans DON'T combat racism with a smile and mowtown songs??? Damnit! Now I have to question everything I ever learned from movies....thanks for nothing!

Posted by: SashaCA2 at October 10, 2008 3:43 PM

More encouragement. See, this isn't so bad...

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 6:04 PM

Who is the most genuinely inspirational figure in America today?

Anyone wearing G.I. issue combat boots in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at October 10, 2008 6:27 PM

Cornell West?! See, when dedisney-fy your inspirational african-americans, I get all uncomfortable. That guy talks funny and looks gross.

Posted by: Handel at October 10, 2008 4:17 PM

Cornel West is a terrific gadfly and a good, albeit wordy, thinker. You could say the same things about Steven Hawking (and you'd be right, after a fashion), but I'm not sure how this helps your point. Uh, you do have a point, right?

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 5:57 PM

You mean Stephen Hawking.

Posted by: Red at October 10, 2008 6:37 PM

I was compelled to post because I saw this today with my 8 year old. While the film is pretty shmaltzy, the story really is great and it is a good way to introduce kids to what the racial climate was in the late 50's/early 60's. I have to admit I found it pretty moving (maybe I was seeing it through my kid's eyes.)

Posted by: jackolantern at October 10, 2008 6:39 PM

You mean Stephen Hawking.

Posted by: Red at October 10, 2008 6:37 PM

What Red said. I just lophe it when that shit happens...

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 6:45 PM

AmbroseKalifornia - Too right.

My bad. Don't know where my brain was. Here's another, Randy Pausch:

http://www.thelastlecture.com/

How about we try to elect people who are worth the service they are offered?

Any GI / Any other GI '08

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 10, 2008 6:53 PM

I've heard Stephen Hawking was a mean drunk, he also stabbed a guy in some bar in Kansas City.

True Story

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 6:56 PM

Good review! I'll probably watch this, inspirational sports movies, (along with scrawny neo-cons), are a guilty pleasure of mine.

Posted by: Agente Provocatrice at October 10, 2008 7:03 PM

Forget about whatever Stephen Hawking has to say, when it comes to taking advice from someone, I listen to the gimp from Pulp Fiction.

Posted by: Pookie at October 10, 2008 7:12 PM

The more interesting detail would be to know what he stabbed the guy with, Slim. And how. Don't think this friendly exchange means I'm not coming after you at PajibaCon, BTW. I haven't forgotten about your fruitless scheming the week Prisco was out...

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 7:12 PM

How about we try to elect people who are worth the service they are offered?

Any GI / Any other GI '08

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 10, 2008 6:53 PM

What does this mean, really, BierceAmbrose? I am so inclined to attach my own interpretation to this deceptively innocuous statement, but you've been around long enough for me to be willing to listen to your explanation of it -- if you're inclined to offer it.

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 7:19 PM

Don't think this friendly exchange means I'm not coming after you at PajibaCon, BTW. I haven't forgotten about your fruitless scheming the week Prisco was out...

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 7:12 PM


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Oh, you're just full of lip today aint'cha? Maybe I won't even wait 'til Jiba-Con, esse.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 7:34 PM

Libraryliz:

"Telling people off" can be satisfying but not necessarily effective.
I'd distinguish it from outrage, either politely or impolitely expressed, which can work wonders.

... But so can expressions of "pain", which might work best with your group. I've had some success with gently OR firmly saying, "Please don't talk like that around me. I just keep thinking of my best friend/brother/mother and how wonderful he/she is, and how this talk would hurt both of us." Imagine old-fashioned "lady-ness," surprise, shock, or dismay.

Although people will dismiss anger or rudeness, and with it the accompanying message, they usually find it more difficult to brush off another's pain and courtesy, or to ignore a very polite request. You'll probably get an apology, and silence. And although you won't change minds, you've made it clear that that kind of speech is not acceptable around you.

This is very un-Pajibian advice. But that's why we have our little bitchy and sarcastic utopia here, isn't it? Because we live in an imperfect world where sometimes we have to coat the poison with sugar.

Posted by: Gavin at October 10, 2008 7:34 PM

Oh, you're just full of lip today aint'cha? Maybe I won't even wait 'til Jiba-Con, esse.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 7:34 PM

Yeah, feeling kind of feisty at the moment. A mental lapse like that Hawking thing really torques me, and I gotta vent somehow...

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 7:49 PM

old people are cute and defenseless

You've not worked in customer service.

Posted by: Jay at October 10, 2008 7:54 PM

How do you bitch slap your mom? We have black neighbors, and the house owner's son was mowing their lawn. My mom was visiting, saw him and asked, "Does he live there or is he just the lawn guy?"

I had to clamp down on the tongue pretty hard to keep from saying, "You know, Mom, it's amazing, they let Them live damn near anywhere these days."

She was leaving at the time though, and I was glad of it. She just turned 72.

Oh, and there's a dust-up in West Virginia now about this movie. Here's a quote from the release from the WVU News Service:

"On the eve of West Virginia University's home game with Syracuse, officials spoke about the inaccurate and unfair portrayal of the state and WVU fans in today's national release of the motion picture, The Express. ... While an important sports story during a time of racial tension in America, the film portrays WVU fans, the team and the coach in an unfavorable light -- such as shouting racial slurs and obscenities at the team and throwing objects onto the playing field. According to reports from former players and fans, this is simply untrue; it never happened. ... Governor Joe Manchin commented yesterday that the movie should be re-labeled a fictional movie ..."

First reaction: Hollywood tinkered with the truth for dramatic purposes? That never happens.

Second reaction: So the official stance is that, in early 1960s West Virginia, no white fan ever once called an opposing black player "N-----"? Politicians tinkered with the truth for political purposes? That never happens.

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 10, 2008 8:12 PM

"I was not too long ago in a random, "best back / best fighter / best whatever" and mentioned these two. No one else in the room had heard of either. I wept. I cried real tears."

Bierce Ambrose- How the hell is it even possible to have a "best running back" discussion with a roomful of people who have never heard of Walter Payton? I can't in my mind envision how/why such a discussion would even get started among a group of non-football fans. That would be as inane as having a "favorite Arrested Development episode" conversation with my grandmother, who has never seen or likely heard of the show.

Posted by: Joseph R. Sixpack at October 10, 2008 8:19 PM

they shot a good deal of it at northwestern university last year... a bunch of us wound up doing extra work... really all i can think when i see the ads... That looks a lot more like Chicago than Syracuse...

Posted by: riotsmile at October 10, 2008 8:37 PM

I gotta vent somehow...

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 7:49 PM

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Don't worry, I'll vent ya I'll vent ya real good...

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 8:37 PM

"...According to reports from former players and fans, this is simply untrue; it never happened. ... Governor Joe Manchin commented yesterday that the movie should be re-labeled a fictional movie ..."


I'd have more respect for them if they just went ahead and said "YES WE DID, we ain't sorry." Playing the victim and denial is pretty fucking weak.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 8:41 PM

Playing the victim and denial is pretty fucking weak.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 8:41 PM

Don't worry, I'll vent ya I'll vent ya real good...

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 8:37 PM

So what do you call playing the blowhard, Slim? Let's see what you got!

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 8:50 PM

I'm a blowhard because I point out that racists should at least have the guts to own up what they said?

Okay, whatever buddy, I guess I got nothing.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 8:58 PM

Who's testy now, Slim? I was just taking advantage of the juxtaposition of your comment on the movie to our friendly hostile jawing. To put it another way, I was calling you a blowhard over your "vent ya" comment. Nothing less, nothing more.

It'll be an interesting day in the Pajibaverse when our paths do finally cross...

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 10, 2008 9:04 PM

Ah, if it was juxtaposition, then that changes everything.

I guess you are just to clever for me.

You are awesome.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 9:11 PM

Joseph R. Sixpack, in re:

How the hell is it even possible to have a "best running back" discussion with a roomful of people who have never heard of Walter Payton?

I know. I know. Weekly company lunch in a small tech startup. The gaggle of generation-douche started talking best this, best that. So, I chimed in, since I was being paid for my hard-won insight grounded in having actually done something in my life. (Sorry. Sorry. Deep, cleansing breaths.)

The blank incomprehension was actually kind of stunning. The dismissal of any experience outside their narrow, carefully-padded lives was just as abrupt. Not stunning, as I've gotten used to that.

They only sort-of listened to me about how to get software built, too. And they're struggling, still, much more than they need to be. Ah, well. I'm neither a customer nor an investor in that one, so my interest is merely academic. And moral. The general moral outrage at wasted effort, wasted talent, wasted opportunity. Well, so far, that doesn't grow dull under the monotonous onslaught of time.

Student of History / Someone who's Done Something '08

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 10, 2008 10:42 PM

I can't believe I checked out of this conversation and YOU PEOPLE are ignoring the majesty of Jim Brown. Just 'cause he quit early doesn't negate his accomplishments; it just makes him smarter.

Posted by: Courtney at October 10, 2008 10:52 PM

Che Grovera

I'll take a shot at: How about we try to elect people who are worth the service they are offered?

To start with, sometimes I do "deceptively innocuous" on purpose. What kind of service is a president offered? What's it mean to be worth that service? How do we elect folks like that? All questions left open by my "deceptively innocuous" statement. Most folks reading will zoom past reading in their own assumptions for all three. But I didn't elaborate any of that. Thanks for noticing.

Hard to have a real conversation about an election without at least some common ground on those things. I suspect a lot of the strident non-conversation around election politics comes because the folks "conversing" haven't met each other's ideas about these and other fundamental things. Incredibly number of contradictory assumptions in so much of this loudly talking past each other that stands in for discourse. Nobody has to agree with those other people, but at least know where they are coming from.

Instead, the slightest difference or even need to explain brands that other one is bad and wrong, evil and should be dismissed.

So, presidents and service,

In the extreme, a president can order people to kill and be killed. That's a service that is offered by people we refer to as "in the service." I think I'd expect quite a lot of someone I'm going to empower to kill on my behalf, and expect more yet of someone I'm going to empower to order others to do the same. This is the order of business when we elect presidents - a very high order indeed.

I'm not sure how the endless pander-fest and circus of position-politics selects people for office who are worth being served a glass of water, let alone served by agents dispensing life & death at the risk of their own. I wouldn't work for most of them in any capacity.

It's hard to live up to service of any kind thats offered to you. I find it challenging enough in what I do - direct other people's work, sometimes with the fate of a company in play. The stakes are chunks of careers, people's retirement investments and sometimes even health, as long, severe stress can literally grind people down. I am required to spend wisely the service I am entrusted with - required by the folks who pay for it, and required by the people who offer their time.

I never ask anyone to bomb a village, so the stakes in my world are relatively small. Still, I ask myself "Was that the best decision?", "Did I do that just because I like the guy, or because it was easy?" There's a thing in the military called "command courage" - essentially the courage to make decisions with big consequences and the ability to make decisions with big consequences for the right reasons. How do we elect people with "command courage?"

How does 18 months of playing "pin the ding on the pundit" while guesting on Letterman select someone who will make hard choices for the right reasons? I lost it ("hope") this time around with the spike in oil prices. There they were, all the leading candidates, bidding for our votes while nominating this bad guy or that as scapegoat. If they meant a word of it, they'd have been pushing that agenda when we weren't pissed off and squeezed by spiking gas prices. And disingenuous doesn't begin to cover their convoluted rationalizations.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 10, 2008 11:29 PM

bucdaddy, I just saw somewhere that the Syracuse quarterback, Ernie's teammate Dick Easterley, said today that the entire scene in WV is fake. He claims that none of it happened.

I'm reminded of "Remember the Titans". Love the movie, but after I saw it, I did some googling, and discovered that basically every single racial overtone in the movie was fictional. Every player who was interviewed on any web site I read, said there was no racism to be found. The (Black) screenwriter made it all up, in order to get a more "compelling" story.

Oh, and for the record, the Titans also never had to pull any last second heroics to win. They stomped every opponent.

It's called "literary license", folks. And it really happens.

And college running backs? Let's throw Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, and Barry Sanders in the mix.

Posted by: Gun Totin Wacko at October 11, 2008 12:05 AM

Wacko, Yeah, that's one name the press release mentions. Still, I would find it beyond comprehension that somebody somewhere in the crowd that day didn't slip a few N's into the conversation. Because nobody heard them doesn't mean they weren't there. (If a cracker yells "N-----!" in a stadium and no black guys hear it, does that still make him a racist?)

FWIW, Hollywood also jazzed up the ending of "We Are ... Marshall!" as I understand it. I haven't seen the movie but the state PBS network did a docu that covered most of the same ground, and while the actual finish of the game was thrilling enough, Hwood couldn't help itself and messed with it.

Also, I just read that nobody at Marshall used the "We Are ... Marshall!" chant at the time, so even the title is misleading.

Fuckin' Hwood.

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 11, 2008 12:25 AM

And if we're going old-school on college RBs, I have to politely ask: ARE YOU FUCKIDDIN' ME? No mention of the Juice or Tony Dorsett?

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 11, 2008 12:27 AM

It might be a little premature, but what about Michael Phelps? A bazillion gold medals is pretty inspiring.

And hell yeah for the Sweetness!! I'm a born and bred Cheesehead and even I can't deny the superiority of Walter Peyton.

Posted by: Austin at October 11, 2008 12:59 AM

to ambrosebierce ... excellent rant about the selection process for our leaders and you couldn't be more right about marvin hagler.thinking of hagler and the first round of his fight with tommy hearns, i am reminded of james coburn's comments about charles bronson at the end of " hard times " when he asked his buddy " ... wasn't he sumthin'?"
hollywood promotes it's political agenda and has no problem in trampling the truth to achieve it.we don't need another rigged racial battleground like " remember the titans " to convince us that blacks were badly treated in the early 60's. we get it. when do you think hollywood will make a movie about how a group of whites in manhasset , new york recognized the athletic ability of one of their students and made certain he had an opportunity to attend college. that young man is the oft mentioned jimmy brown. everyone wasn't a rascist and it's time that the " victim " card stops being played.

dustin, the review was ok and regardless of which side of the bed you exited, it's good to take the high road when the mood strikes.you probably rushed the review into print because the editing was a trifle sloppy ... " running back " 3 times in one sentence ???

Posted by: snake at October 11, 2008 1:48 AM

"How do you bitch slap your mom?"

You just do. My father got up in arms about my sister dating a black guy, and I told him that no matter how he tries to spin his reasons for being upset that he is being racist right now, and that as an intelligent, kind human being I expect better of him. When he argued that I can't expect him to change at his age, I told him I can expect him to damn well try. I said many more harsh words, but I refuse to take that racist/prejudiced shit from anyone much less my father who I love and don't want to see living a life with those attitudes. I've challenged him every step of the way everytime something remotely racist has come out of his mouth (mostly to do with "mixed" dating) since I was 15 years old.

Posted by: Michelle at October 11, 2008 10:53 AM

Ah, if it was juxtaposition, then that changes everything.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 10, 2008 9:11 PM

This is why I love hate tolerate you, Slim.

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 11, 2008 11:17 AM

when do you think hollywood will make a movie about how a group of whites in manhasset , new york recognized the athletic ability of one of their students and made certain he had an opportunity to attend college. that young man is the oft mentioned jimmy brown. everyone wasn't a rascist and it's time that the " victim " card stops being played.

dustin, the review was ok and regardless of which side of the bed you exited, it's good to take the high road when the mood strikes.you probably rushed the review into print because the editing was a trifle sloppy ... " running back " 3 times in one sentence ???

Posted by: snake at October 11, 2008 1:48 AM

you make some interesting points snake kind of wish you would drop the e e cummings approach to prose though you almost had me believing your shift key was broken even your ophidian handle is lowercase until you cobbled together those question marks at the end what gives

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 11, 2008 11:40 AM

How about we try to elect people who are worth the service they are offered?

Any GI / Any other GI '08

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 10, 2008 6:53 PM

Thanks for the thoughtful response, BierseAmbrose. I don't know that it allayed (m)any of my concerns about your original post, but at least you were willing to flesh out some of the nuance that was clearly present.

I also don't know that I'll ever have (or want) a better opportunity to use the word "juxtaposition" twice in a single thread, so here goes. Your statement about elections and service is fine on its face; its the juxtaposition of that statement with the "Any GI" tagline that gives me heartburn. Your implication is clear (to me) that only one who has served (in the military) is worthy of serving (in public office) -- that's how I read it, and you didn't say anything in your treatise to convince me that I'm misunderstanding you. I think the crucial (read: loaded) word here is "worth"; that's probably where I'm coming off the rails.

Military service can be a noble sacrifice, but it galls me to hear you suggest that any jarhead has greater worth as a Presidential candidate (we both know we're really only talking about the President/Commander-in-Chief here in terms of elected officials) than anyone else who has never served in the military. That's a great way to perpetuate the warrior mythos and ensure that nation-states follow a gladiator ethic, and maybe it's hopelessly naive for me -- or anyone -- to think that we can ever live in a world unconstrained by a need to be continually prepared for mortal combat. Oh well.

So of course I feel a need to prove my own "worth" for making any declaration of this sort. My father served twenty years in the Army and did two tours in Vietnam when I was a boy. I was an ROTC candidate in another era, but was turned away due to my eyesight (in the days before Lasik -- Coke-bottle lenses just don't cut it in the recruiter's office). I understand the need for a standing army, but I don't have to like the conditions that give rise to that need -- nor do I have to buy into the notion that military service is the only valid precondition for serving as Commander-in-Chief.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that it's reasonable to consider how a person might be qualified (or not), but I disagree that only one who has served can properly be of service (in the context of our discussion).

Posted by: Che Grovera at October 11, 2008 12:32 PM

Thanks right back atcha, Che. "Thoughtful" yourself.

FWIW, I've signed every comment for weeks with an on-topic and I hope occasionally humorous proposed ticket. Talking about candidates from cryo, for example, I proposed "Zappa / Zevon '08".

So, I'm not going all Starship Troopers here. (Although, Rico / Zim '08!) Yet, who should have franchise? Heinlein often posed questions through extreme positions in his fiction. He said as much about Starship Troopers, and Stranger in a Strange Land many times, although no one listened.

We say "anyone can be president" (governor, senator, sheriff) in this country, and allow "everyone" franchise, because we're aware of how limited franchise goes haywire. Yet, is that responsible? Heck, if my latest crush-object whispers half a semi-sweet nothing in either ear, I'll do whatever she says. Yes, I am that shallow, and I vote.

Meanwhile, "anyone can be president" is pretty much crap. These days, anyone who's had a life won't get elected short of inept opponents plus massive, cynical effort to win by any means. I blame the Democratic party for the last 8 years of Shrub, BTW. How does a guy with that many negatives get elected dog catcher, let alone President? Asleep at the switch, people. And stirring speeches aside, Obama's secret? He's running a campaign intent on winning vs. being all smug. Yet, is electing the Teflon gollum who panders best really the way to do this?

We already restrict franchise anyway, let alone candidates. Registration and e-voting shenanigans aside, we've methodically created a huge disenfranchised under-class through the last 20-30 years of "war on drugs." Felons can't vote. Look at convictions for minor possession demographically and you'll see ideologies, professions, racial backgrounds and personal histories disproportionately selected out of steering our particular Titanic of state. That's horrible, but "Pot heads for America!" makes me a bit queasy, too. I'd They'd vote for anyone who promised them Cheetos.

I do think service people have a far better idea of the limitations and consequences of deciding to use force. I think we'd be less inclined to throw the army around if the people getting shot up were spread through the population. I think we'd be darn sure to back them harder, if they were "us." I'm intrigued by the idea of universal service similar to Israel or Switzerland, mostly for the wars we wouldn't get into because of it.

In the end, I'd prefer the folks both voting and elected to have put some skin behind the notion that there is an ideal of the US and that this is worth building. I'd like them to be, frankly, better than me.

Che / Bierce '08 (I'll do the work. You can be the target leader.)

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 11, 2008 3:22 PM

Thanks for the kind words Snake. I rant because I love hate can't help myself.

And so it goes . . .

Vonnegut / Patton '08 (That would be interesting.)

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 11, 2008 3:31 PM

I agree with critic,

go see the brotha run on screen!

Half of Rainbow Coaliton memberships for prisoners until Nov. 4th.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 11, 2008 8:47 PM

I agree with critic,

go see the brotha run on screen!

Half off Rainbow Coaliton memberships for prisoners until Nov. 4th.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 11, 2008 8:47 PM

You guys do realize that Jim Brown is considered one of the best ATHLETES of all time right?

He is in the both the college and pro football halls of fame. Not to mention the Lacrosse hall of fame.

He has over 12,000 career rushing yards, 126 career touchdowns and has been named MVP 3 times for the NFL, 3 times for the Pro Bowl and was the 1957 number 1 draft pick for the NFL.

The man is a legend.

Posted by: cmoody at October 12, 2008 12:00 PM

I'm intrigued by the idea of universal service similar to Israel or Switzerland, mostly for the wars we wouldn't get into because of it.

Worked well for the latter, not so much the former.

I'm not being snide or anything, just pointing out the humor in picking those two countries to prove your point.

Posted by: Vermillion at October 12, 2008 7:28 PM

I'm being snide - that was a pretty smug comment of yours, BA.

Your country could do with some potheads in charge, 'cause it needs to chill the fu*k out. I much preferred the football chat. It was informed and interesting.

Personally, I prefer my politicians well-rounded. Military is fine. Career military is not. The fact that a stable country's political leader is in charge of the army shouldn't mean that much, particularly considering the immeasurable tasks required simply to keep a peaceful country running day-to-day.

Jimmy Stynes for PM.

Posted by: Peter G at October 12, 2008 10:06 PM

jimmy brown is certainly a legend and not only is in the lacrosse hall of fame but is widely regarded as the best lacrosse player that ever lived. it is worth noting that he set basketball scoring records in high school and played at syracuse in between football and lacrosse seasons.

Posted by: snake at October 13, 2008 12:18 AM

I'm certainly going to see this film, if only because I'm kind of a Dennis Quaid homer and a fan of anything football. But I'm a little cautious. The trailers give me the impression that the script/director/producers have forced this film to commit a storytelling sin that drives me nuts: demonizing the South-- particularly my home state-- and every last person to be raised there in Ernie Davis' time or since. The "Dakota Fanning Rape Movie" review touched on this a bit.

Yes, of course I'm not stupid; I know that the South could be a very dangerous place for a black man of any condition in those days, and I lament that fact. But when I see a lot of these films I can't help but imagine that while the slimy Hollywood producers gave notes during filming, the constant question was "Can we make those filthy Southerners seem a little more despicable and evil?" Particularly when I hear lines in the trailer like "You haven't seen real racism until you've been to Texas." (Forgive me if that's a misquote, but I think I got the jist of it.) One of the reasons I enjoyed 'Remember the Titans' so much is that I felt like it did a good job of showing that all of us who hail from the south are not nearly as bad as the worst of us.

But as I said, I haven't seen the movie yet so I don't want to jump to conclusions. Can anybody that's seen 'The Express' put my mind at ease? whether you feel the same as I do or even if you strongly disagree I'd like to hear it.

Posted by: College Boy at October 13, 2008 1:18 AM

As a baseball fan, I'll readily acknowledge the game can be tedious. Its appeal basically boils down to three things:

1. Summer sun

2. Cold beer

3. Every day

No thrice-a-week-or-less sport for which a parka is standard fan attire and the concession stands sell hot chocolate can beat that.

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 13, 2008 2:17 AM

Thanks for chiming in, Peter G.

It wasn't the career military. In the early '00s there was even "The Powell Doctrine" - 7 or so criteria for engaging in military action including:

- Well-defined, militarily achievable objective.
- The broad support of the American people.

Both invasions that failed the majority of the Powell Doctrine tests including those two. And what happened?

Personally, I prefer my politicians well-rounded. Military is fine. Career military is not.

Well, yeah. But before we go all "trained killers and trained for nothing else", most general officers in the US Military hold advanced degrees in related but non-military subjects: history, economics, public policy, etc. It's pretty much a requirement for promotion.

Speaking of "well-rounded", I also get very uncomfortable with people who's "experience" is a sequence of schooling followed by "public service." I think it's no accident that two of the more effective lately in the US are Bloomberg and Schwarzenegger. Both were out in the world doing stuff before their entries into "public service."

So, how about we elect some role models?

Sweetness / Hagler '08

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 13, 2008 4:31 AM

Vermillion

Oh, you are too being snide, and good for you.

And I said "intrigued", not "in favor." So, why does universal service in the one case add tremendous spine, while in the other supports wimpery? Too close to France?

And BTW, at what point does it make more sense to go along to get along?

Quisling / Arnold '08

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 13, 2008 4:39 AM

I also get very uncomfortable with people who's "experience" is a sequence of schooling followed by "public service."
Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 13, 2008 4:31 AM
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HEAR! HEAR! not only does it make me uncomfortable it makes me downright question their integrity. "Public Service" in the sense most of these folks are deluded into seeing it, is nothing more than spending 30 or 40 years figuring out how to sponge-off my hard earned money.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 13, 2008 7:33 AM

You should have seen the scolding I had to give my 80 year-old grandmother when she took in a stray black cat and tried to name it "Darkie."

Yes, I know it's wrong, but I laughed (and am still currently smiling) at that comment for a good minute or so. I realize your grandmother probably wasn't being funny. If she was, that is one hip, hip lady.

Posted by: jamiepants at October 13, 2008 11:30 AM

As I have mentioned before, I am a bartender and the bar that I work at is more of pub really. Anyways, the city that I live in is mostly white so every once in a while you run into some racist motherfuckers. A couple of months ago one of my patrons (I would say the majority of my customers are male and between the ages of 35-65) started telling some stupid racist joke and using the N-word... I told him if he didn't shut the hell up I was going to cut him off. Now if you know me, you know that I am the quintessential bartender... I am polite, friendly, always smiling, I wear shirts that make my cleavage look nice and I can joke around and tell dirty jokes with the best of them.... so when I said that to him in front of all his friends he listened... and so did they and it got around that I don't tolerate that shit in my bar. You can talk about my ass till the cows come home for all I care... just don't be a racist bastard and you are always welcome :)

Posted by: Zanna at October 13, 2008 3:05 PM

Posted by: youtube video at October 13, 2008 3:51 PM

Sure, we've got Barack Obama, but even he's got some of the stink of politician stuck to him. Lance Armstrong courageously defeated cancer and won a string of Tours de France (though, he also left his wife) and Tiger Woods, I suppose, could be considered an inspiration to some, or at least those who don't think he's a dick. Hillary Clinton? Sure. I guess. (Mini-diversion: Who is the most genuinely inspirational figure in America today?).

I think this tell us that we are all human and while we may do some good or live a compelling life or fight some illness to come back and be even better than before we are still human beings that do things at one time or another that we a re not proud of. So maybe 20 years from now all this people will have a movie based on their life and they will cut the bad shit out bc everyone wants the perfect hero with the spotless life and that is not real. And it is because of this that Some of this movies cut out all of the bad behavior and leave the picture perfect, never done anything bad hero.

In the end we all are imperfect and you will not find anyone with a perfect conduct in every aspect of their lifes but that doesnt take away the good they have done, it just makes them human just like everyone of us.

Posted by: NDR at October 13, 2008 4:56 PM