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Dear Zachary / Dustin Rowles

Film Reviews | November 7, 2008 | Comments (92)


Dear Zachary is one messed-up motherfucking documentary, people. And the less you know about it, perhaps, the better. Or maybe not. I knew nothing about it going in, and made the mistake of forcing Mrs. Pajiba-hyphenate to watch it with me. Within 11 minutes, she was sobbing, begging me to turn it off. Before I could find the remote, however, she’d been sucked back into an all-too engrossing story of a man’s freakish, tragic murder. But by minute 32, Mrs. Pajiba-hyphenate was inconsolable but transfixed, watching the next 45 minutes of the documentary with bleary, tear-filled eyes. Before the documentary ended, those tears turned to silent shock. And, for the both of us, it was perhaps the first time we’d ever been completely paralyzed by a film. It is an experience unlike almost any other, and your emotions will run the gamut, from sadness, to pride, to despair, to anger, to ache, and to complete disbelief, and unbelievable, mess-you-the-fuck up shock.

Dear Zachary, at least initially, is about Andrew Bagby, who is murdered by a psychotic ex-girlfriend who commits the crime for no other reason than she’s psychotic. Kurt Kuenne, Bagby’s best friend and a filmmaker of little note up until now, decided, after Bagby’s death, that he wanted to know more about his childhood friend. So, he set off across the country to interview Bagby’s friends and colleagues from medical school, all of whom revered Bagby to such an extent that I began to feel personally inadequate for not being as good a man as Bagby was. He was gregarious, fun-loving, kind-hearted, and the type of guy that everyone he met instantly loved. In fact, half-a-dozen men confessed that, had he not been murdered, Bagby would’ve ultimately become the best man at their wedding. He was inspiring, in a way, and it didn’t take long (11 minutes) to feel his loss personally.

Halfway across the country, however, Kuenne received some startling news that set his documentary onto a different course. The psychotic ex-girlfriend, Shirley Turner — who was in Newfoundland awaiting extradition to the United States for the murder of Bagby — was pregnant. Pregnant with Bagby’s child, Zachary. It was then that the documentary took a different approach — now, instead of learning more about his friend, Kuenne had decided to compile a video scrapbook for Zachary, a love letter of sorts, so that one day he’d know his dead father better, through the eyes of those that were closest to him.

Meanwhile, Bagby’s parents sold their house in California and moved to Newfoundland to help guide the extradition process and seek guardianship of Zachary while his mother was in prison. It was then that the movie got really hard, watching these grandparents — the nicest, kindest souls that perhaps have ever lived, ever — grapple with custody issues, forced into a position to visit with baby Zachary under the supervision of their son’s murderer, who was released on bail. But they did it because that child was all they had left of their son. And because they loved that child. It is heart-rending beyond measure, and the respect you gain for these grandparents is infinite.

To say anything more about how Dear Zachary plays out, however, would be a huge disservice to the intent of Kuenne, though it is there where Mrs. Pajiba-hyphenate and I parted ways on the motive behind the intent and the ultimate value of the movie. What happens later in the documentary will knock you on your ass, and while I thought it was effective storytelling, put together in a chronological manner, Mrs. Pajiba-hyphenate felt wronged by Kuenne’s approach. She thought it was manipulative, and unfair of him not to warn the viewer of the direction the documentary was going to take.

I’ll concede that there is a certain amount of manipulation involved in Dear Zachary, but I didn’t find it malicious. It’s the job, I feel, of a filmmaker — even a documentarian — to manipulate the viewer to achieve the maximum level of emotional impact. Mrs. P-h, however, thought that the emotional impact was too heavy, too burdensome; she felt the unsuspecting viewer needed an opportunity opt out of an experience that had the potential to scar. And maybe she’s right. After all, you go into a horror movie or a comedy knowing what to expect. And even where a film might surprise you with twist ending, it’s not the same when that twist ending is steeped in reality.

In Dear Zachary, you never see reality approach — it blindsides you and then pummels your emotions to a pulp. And maybe that where a critic actually has some value: I’ll tell you that Dear Zachary is a documentary worth watching, that it’s one of the most powerful, gut-wrenching movies I’ve ever seen, but I’ll also warn you that, if you’re softhearted, and if movies have a tendency to remain with you for days, then maybe Dear Zachary carries with it an emotional bell you don’t want tolled. It’s one diddle you can’t undo, homeskillet. Indeed, I found myself in the unusual position of feeling guilty for inflicting Dear Zachary on my wife, not because it wasn’t good, but because, in a way, it was too good and I was left without the one comfortable refrain I could usually rely upon in this situation: “It’s only a movie.”

Sadly, it was also reality, a reality, perhaps, that you don’t want to get emotionally invested in.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. He lives withi his wife and son in Portland, Maine You can reach him via email, or leave a comment below.


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Comments

Dustin,- Thanks for the warning. I now know to run far from this movie should it ever cross my path. I feel the tinge of trauma just reading the review.

Posted by: tamatha at November 7, 2008 1:10 PM

I've been looking forward to this review. I'm soft-hearted, but I still wanna see this documentary. It's weird, but I feel like I have to.

Posted by: SofĂ­a at November 7, 2008 1:15 PM

Ouch. I take documentaries way to seriously, especially when there are kids involved. I think I'll pass, for my sanity's sake.

Posted by: Alexandra at November 7, 2008 1:16 PM

Gosh...I'm tearing up just after reading an article about this...I googled Andrew bagby. Sounds powerful but I'm too weak and will most likely pass.

Posted by: griffimx at November 7, 2008 1:20 PM

I just spoiled it for myself on purpose. Definitely a pass.

Posted by: Alexandra at November 7, 2008 1:24 PM

Damn, Dustin. Now I really, really want to see it but I am one of those tenderhearted souls who will probably have bad dreams about the film. I'm completely torn. See what your reviews do to me?

Posted by: Nicole at November 7, 2008 1:25 PM

You warned me about this on Sunday.

I wish I'd heeded that warning. Fortunately, I didn't take Mrs. TK down with me.

Posted by: TK at November 7, 2008 1:28 PM

considering that dead fathers is a subject that is altogether too touchy for me, i think i'll pass on this one. just reading the review has slightly traumatized me... though I do want to know what happens.

awesome review, though. powerful stuff, DR.

Posted by: lizzieborden at November 7, 2008 1:40 PM

Gasp, I remember this case! I recall how it ended. Yeah, that'd be a hard documentary to watch.

Thought they moved to Newfoundland, not Nova Scotia, but I might be wrong on that.

Posted by: meaux at November 7, 2008 1:41 PM

Can someone please tell me where I might see this? I live in Ottawa...the little indie cinema two blocks down isn't showing it, can't find it listed anywhere...where does stuff like this get shown?

It's going to destroy me, but it sounds like the sort of thing that I really should see.

Posted by: kalafraja at November 7, 2008 1:49 PM

I had already read about the true story behind this, so I can only imagine if one went into the story blind. I really don't think I could watch this one.

Posted by: Cindy at November 7, 2008 1:50 PM

Yep. Nope. Gonna pass on this one, especially right now. I'm already teary lately at every tiny thing. This might put me over the edge.

Like seeing March of the Penguins pregnant. Bad idea all around. I blubbered through most of the movie, and since I wasn't visibly pregnant at the time, the rest of the audience just probably thought I was a fruit nut.

Posted by: Alabamapink at November 7, 2008 1:56 PM

Just looked up the case.

No, thanks.

Posted by: vikky at November 7, 2008 1:57 PM

Sort of Spoiler-y:
If you look up Zachary Turner on Wikipedia you find out the basics of the ending. I am glad that I have empathy but still, it totally prevents me from being able to see movies like this without severe psychological trauma. Thanks for the heads up, I actually had it on my netflix queue and would not have enjoyed watching it.

Posted by: Jennifer at November 7, 2008 2:01 PM

Um, yeah, Jennifer, thank you for the advice because I did and there is no fucking way I'm seeing this. What a psychotic whore. Is it okay to say that? Whatever, I don't care.

Great review, though, Dustin.

Posted by: tt_marie at November 7, 2008 2:10 PM

I did exactly the same thing, Jennifer, and now I know to never watch this. I have a small child and there is no way I could do that to myself.

Posted by: Snath at November 7, 2008 2:13 PM

It was Newfoundland, not Nova Scotia. St. John's, NFLD.

Posted by: becks at November 7, 2008 2:17 PM

Oh man. I was curious by what sequence of events the mind-blowing reviews of this film could have been motivated. I'm certain it is devastating and certain that it is in my best interests to stick with the written word rather than see it myself.

Posted by: TG at November 7, 2008 2:31 PM

Yep, Newfoundland.

Posted by: Farfalina at November 7, 2008 2:37 PM

Bearded boyfriend and I cried at the Wal-Mart doc, so I think I might pass...especially since I just googled the ending.

Posted by: VeinsRHiways at November 7, 2008 3:15 PM

I spoiled the ending for myself too (if you consider that spoiling... more like emotional preparation, methinks). Holy crap that is a terrible, heartbreaking story. I wish it wasn't true.

Posted by: b at November 7, 2008 3:19 PM

Oh. Just starting this review I had a sense of foreboding. Once you talked about the ending I had a horrible sense of realisation. I watched the advert and it worsened, and then I searched out the case.

This...was a horrific and tragic event. I may or may not see this film.

It sounds truly amazing but I tend to become incredibly involved in stuff like this and from the sounds of this would tip me over the edge of filmic involvment from emotionally engaged to 'all fired up and ready to kill some one...or possibly myself'

Posted by: nadine at November 7, 2008 3:30 PM

wow. i'm intrigued. and about to go in search of some "spoilers."

Posted by: jenny at November 7, 2008 4:14 PM

The reluctance to disclose the resolution led me to guess what happened - something I was sad to see confirmation of when I read the Wikipedia entry mentioned earlier.

I think I'll pass for now. It would have been difficult to watch a fictionalized film where all of this transpired, let alone a documentary...

Posted by: lameaim at November 7, 2008 4:35 PM

Damn it all. Now I have to go find out what happened.

To the wikimobile!

Posted by: figgy at November 7, 2008 5:03 PM

Oh...Godtopus.

Fuck you all. In the butthole.

Jeebus.

Posted by: figgy at November 7, 2008 5:05 PM

what figgy said.

jeeeeebus.

Posted by: Jen Vegas at November 7, 2008 5:13 PM

AAAAHHH!!! fuck! I am so torn!

No way in hell am I watching this on the big screen, I will weep into my pillow at home when I netflix this - but there ain't no way in hell Mr Stella will watch this with me.

Posted by: Stella at November 7, 2008 5:44 PM

Oh, yeah, thanks for that wikipedia entry, because I really wasn't expecting THAT and I'm not into bawling in public.

Posted by: Pheagan at November 7, 2008 6:10 PM

Don't even google the Bagby name - the headings on google give the story away, and it is a punch to the gut!

Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2008 6:13 PM

Just to dilute the pathos of this story and change the tenor of the comments, I'd like to point out that "heart-rendering" means something quite different from "heart-rending."

Posted by: Ann at November 7, 2008 6:18 PM

Oh, dear. Just read the full details of this story. There would be no way for me to watch this documentary without losing my proverbial shit. Horrible.

Thank you for the review, though. And the heads up.

Posted by: rottenkitty at November 7, 2008 8:24 PM

Yikes, this happened in Latrobe? That's bucdaddy's backyard, pretty much. Former home of (stolen and ruined forever) Rolling Rock beer.

Obviously, I looked up the case. And I know how it ends. Ouch. Might see it anyway. Still probably be a gut-punch. Wife might be able to handle it, tho. She's steeped on Anne Rule and "Snapped" and such.

Has it occurred to anyone to ask why we seem to enjoy human misery packaged as entertainment?

No?

OK, carry on.

Posted by: bucdaddy at November 7, 2008 10:58 PM

Huh, from your backyard to mine, bucdaddy--the story ended near the city where I went to grad school. Was all over the news in eastern Canada at the time.

Ann--thanks for the much-needed chuckle, ya wise gal!

Posted by: meaux at November 7, 2008 11:19 PM

Holy shit fuck.

Yes, I spoiled the ending for myself too. But if it's as well made as SOME people say, then I'll probably see it. Maybe after a frontal lobotomy.

Do they still do those?

Posted by: Sonia at November 7, 2008 11:31 PM

I saw a trailer for this and was blubbering. Judging by the responses for this and not Googling, I can only expect the worst that would happen to a baby owned by a psychotic person.

Will I see it? I don't know. I don't think that I would be able to handle it.

Posted by: pkittie at November 7, 2008 11:33 PM

I know the full story and want to see the film BECAUSE I know ths story.
If you are "softhearted" (as am I) then please watch this documentary and act to change the laws regarding parole.
Sadly, there are too may parolee stories which echo this one.

Posted by: Spender at November 8, 2008 2:44 AM

Why is it that murder victims, as portrayed in the media, are always:

1) saints in human form
2) criminal degenerates.

I'd rather be average and stay alive.

Now, I'm sure AB was a fine fellow, with a disastrous taste in women. But I know from experience that people are overcome with sentimentality when anyone presentable is killed.

My worst example was a 16-year-old classmate. Since she was white, pretty, and rich, she was a perfect angel, and surprise! the boy who killed her was a criminal degenerate.

Turned out she was the local drug dealer. And her killer was one of her customers, whom she had cheated and tried to overdose.

NOTHING of this came out, either in the media, or at trial. I guess his lawyer thought dissing the angel would do them no good.

Back on topic: sounds like a three-hanky film. I'll be there.

Posted by: Janis at November 8, 2008 2:46 AM

Yeah, powerful but not for me. It took me years to think about the end of "The Iron Giant" and not sniffle. And yes, that's THINK about it.


My husband and I were talking about how this documentary is like the emotional equivalent to The Ring. Stay with me...this is a terrible tragedy and the filmmaker wanted to share it to commemorate his friend and lessen his own grief. However, it basically brings that grief to others somewhat in the guise of entertainment, leaving them also traumatized. Sure, it brings attention to the issue of parole laws, but you could just tell people that. The film is designed to get people to really empathize then damages them to inspire them to act and then pass the damage on to others.

At least in theory, I mean, I haven't seen it and I'm not going to.

Posted by: Ronil at November 8, 2008 10:47 AM

I decided to spoil it for myself as well.

Sometimes I think there are moments when words just can't get across what you feel. I think this is one of those moments.

Posted by: citizen_cris at November 8, 2008 5:00 PM

Dangit, Dustin. I am definitely one of those people who gets traumatized by movies and TV (I went on a suicidal downward spiral for a month after spending a week watching the whole run of Six Feet Under). But I'm also addicted to the stuff, and now you've tipped me to the strongest shit around. Don't be surprised if y'all never hear from me again.

Posted by: Lucas at November 8, 2008 6:53 PM

I read this review early this afternoon, checked out the dear zachary website, and was shocked to see it was actually playing in a couple of hours at the Orlando Film Festival less than a mile from my house! So of course I had to go check it out...and I am very torn. On one hand, it embodies the reasons I love movies so much, the ability to craft a story and be transformed. But what happens in the end of the movie, the "twist", was, is, traumatizing. I've never almost walked out of a movie because I couldn't handle it emotionally. I was literally dripping tears onto the floor. I will never forgot one specific scene that rippled through me like a potent drug, washing over my body and giving me the raving fantods for hours. (I dont want to give away anything, so Ill just say it was a moment when the Dad raged at Shirly). Something happened today that will stay with me for a long time. I am shaken. I know this sounds dramatic, but its real, unfortunately.

Posted by: Eric at November 9, 2008 12:16 AM

I was lucky enough to see this at the NZ Film Festival earlier this year and yes, I use the word lucky.


While the story is absolutely gutwrenching (I'm a touchy feely Cancerian type who can be reduced to a gooing mess at 50 paces by a somewhat cute puppy so I still see this doco in my nightmares ), the main thing I got from this was a sense of hope. Hope that other families would never have to suffer through something like this again. I feel hope that there were people like Andrew Bagby in the world. I feel hope that amazing people like his parents can not only continue to exist after what they've been through, but actually do a hell of a lot of good.


The love that the director has for his subject, his best friend, permeates every single damn frame of this documentary. While you do feel somewhat vouyeuristic, I've never watched anything where you can actually feel love radiating off a screen. If you're strong enough, it's a privilege to watch this film.

Posted by: Caz at November 9, 2008 4:34 AM

I get that this is all quite powerful stuff. But I still can't bring myself to go see movies that will tear my heart out and stuff it down my throat...in the same way I don't go to see movies that will scare the bejeebus out of me...

Posted by: rach at November 9, 2008 4:52 AM

uhhhh yeah, no *way* am i ever gonna watch this. jesus, i choke up at a goddamn sappy CSI episode. this sounds like weapons-grade emotional genocide.

(runs off to watch cartoons)

Posted by: ultradave at November 10, 2008 5:23 AM

I am so, so torn about watching this, though I'm sure I ultimately will. The picture above was in the most recent New York magazine. I turned to my husband and said "Oh, my God, so cute - he looks just like our daughter!" Then I read what happened and was just horrified and had trouble going to sleep that night. I actually had to rip out that page of the magazine b/c I couldn't stop looking at it. It seems to me that this child *never* would've been put in the hands of a father in the same position.

As to traumatizing an audience, whatever. What happened is horrific and it should be traumatizing. I am a matrimonial lawyer and do a lot of custody work, so this is probably something I should watch, regardless.

Posted by: samantha t at November 10, 2008 11:46 AM

Not for me.
I'm having enough trouble keeping my shit together after reading the papers, watching the news, or even hearing family gossip. I don't need to get myself all upset over yet more proof that some people are evil fuckers and the world is not a fair place. I need good news, not tragedy. Getting all upset doesn't help anything, after all...

I know, I sound a bit melodramatic and depressed, but seriously, that teddy bear in this week's Supernatural had a point! ;-)

Posted by: Tarn at November 10, 2008 1:55 PM

Wow. This Turner woman was THE most selfish person I've ever heard of. Her actions could make Kim Jong Il cry. I'll still have to watch this movie, kleenex be damned.

Posted by: Big Red 34 at November 10, 2008 4:09 PM

I usually don't weigh in this far down the comment thread, but I just HAD to say:

DUSTIN, that is the most twistedly BEAUTIFULLY bittersweet ending to a review EVER. BEAUTIFUL piece of work there.

Posted by: Jelinas at November 21, 2008 12:04 PM

Wow, I'm really shocked at how many people are opting not to see this.....I think that truly attests to how comfortable we are in our little bubbles. Pain, death and sadness are a part of life...What if you were so affected by this film you actually did somethig about it? Isn't that in atleast part of the point? Watch the movie, write a letter to the Canadian goverment, wake up people! Other people need you to feel, other people need you...

Posted by: Stephanie at December 3, 2008 12:14 PM

I'm glad I just watched this documentary because it shows the incompitance of our justice system and every other Gdamn government agency that should have protected this innocent baby. I think what Dave and Kate, (Zachery's grandparents & Andrew's parents)are doing to change things so this kind of sloppy lazy work of our officials will be harder to do.Yes I cried when I saw what the mother of zachery did but, i think this film needs to be seen so we all will be aware of how this kind of monster can slither around innocent people and put their lives at risk because some of our judges, shrinks, child advocates and police don't do their jobs.

I firmly believe the second Zachery died his father was there to take him in his arms and wisk him off the heaven while Shirley went the other direction, straight to hell for all eternity.

Posted by: shaon at December 7, 2008 5:13 PM

i was shirley turner's nurse in iowa... i waited with the bagby's for justice to be served and could not believe the freedom that shirley had in canada. i know the documentary is gut-wrenching and disturbing, but for andrew's family and friends, and for those of us on the fringe of this nightmare, it is cathartic to know that andrew and zachary's story is told. i was so relieved that their story was told by a friend in this form and not in some sappy lifetime movie. kate and david bagby are amazing people and deserve the love and prayers of everyone who sees this film.

Posted by: lkrein at December 8, 2008 12:14 AM

I saw this movie at the Hot Docs Festival in Toronto this spring. I think just about the whole audience was sniffling or sobbing at points in the movie. It really is an emotional rollercoaster. It was hard to watch at times. Kurt did such an excellent job. I have such huge respect for the Bagbys for what they have done with what could only be descibed and felt as an unspeakable tragedy. Somehow they go on and they move forward with pushing for Canadian law reform and with the scholarship. I don't think that I could have appreciated exactly what they have gone through if I hadn't seen the film. For some reason, I feel compelled to recommend if you are reading this that you see this film, which is one of the very best documentaries I have ever seen.

Posted by: lunarosa at December 8, 2008 3:38 AM

Was it hard to watch? Certainly. Is it one of the most tragic stories I have ever seen? Yes. Should it be avoided because it might make you cry or stick in your mind? Absolutely not. It happened and it happened because a system failed to deal with a psychotic manipulative person and it cost two people their lives. This is a cautionary tale that needed to be told. It should be watched and then the viewer should ask themselves what can be done to keep this from happening to someone else?
See it and then do something to make the system better.
Well done.

Posted by: David at December 8, 2008 9:05 AM

Watch this documentary! I'm glad I left the T.V. on last night to watch it. I've never even heard of it therefore did not know what to expect. I normally would consider myself a "softy" but during this film, I barely shed a tear because I was just so angry. Angry about what his parents went through, angry what that psychob*tch did and angry how justice was not served.

I can't stop thinking about it. I can't get over how Zachary looked exactly like his Andrew! This b*tch robbed Andrew's parents of their son and what was left of him. It hurts how these wonderful people had to suffer so much.

Posted by: Betzy at December 8, 2008 9:31 AM

I saw the film on TV last night and I was absolutely shocked. I went into it knowing nothing about the case. I ended up sobbing... obviously. The truth is, as horrific as it was, it's a must see. Even if you can't handle emotional roller coasters (I refuse to watch ANY horror movie!) There is a true, almost bittersweet and beautiful sense of hope that resonates throughout the movie. You almost get a sense of the good in people. I am emotionally drained - yes. But do I regret watching the most powerful movie I've ever seen? Not at all.

Posted by: Katie at December 8, 2008 10:01 AM

WITHOUT A DOUBT---THIS WAS PROBABLY THE WORST DOCUMENTARY I'VE EVER SEEN!! AND,THE SHAME OF IT IS,THERE IS SOME INCREDIBLE MATERIAL THERE. KUENNE SCREWED IT ALL UP W/ NONSENSE BORING JUNK INCONSISTENT IN EVERYTHING AND THAT INCLUDES THE MUSIC. EXTREMELY AMATEUR,REALLY,LIKE A HIGH-SCHOOL PROJECT. WHERE PEOPLES HEADS ARE,I CANNOT IMAGINE----THERE JUST IS A SERIOUS LACK OF TRUE CULTURE TODAY!! I BLAME IT ALL ON T.V. I WATCHED THIS "THING" W/ DISGUST---COULD NOT BELIEVE MSNBC AIRED IT-----WORSE YET----I WAS SICKENED BY THE ACCOLADES. WHAT A GODDAMN SHAME AND WASTE AND POISONING MINDS W/ PRESENTATIONS SUCH AS THIS CRAP W/FANTASTIC MATERIAL!! (SUCH GIMMICKRY TOO)

Posted by: DISGUSTED at December 8, 2008 11:05 AM

I JUST REALIZED WHAT SORT OF PEOPLE WOULD ENJOY(OR WHATEVER)THIS TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION. IT'S THOSE WHO ENJOY THE TRUE CRIME "MADE FOR T.V. MOVIES"! YES! THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THIS DISASTER WAS FILMED IN THE SAME VEIN AS THE MOVIES ARE BUT IT SATISFIES THE SAME MENTALITY.

Posted by: DISGUSTED at December 8, 2008 11:15 AM

I saw this last night and my heart is devastated. No one should have to bear so much sorrow. I don't know what the life lesson is. Don't be afraid to destroy evil at the expense of your personal freedom? I wish the grandfather had acted on his paternal instinct. This truly shakes the foundation of my fairh.

Posted by: Athina at December 8, 2008 1:11 PM

i too saw this documentary last night and i have to say that my heart hurt and i didnt sleep at all, it really had a impact on me and i was so mad that it was reality. It really messed with me i was actually sobbing.

Posted by: krystle at December 8, 2008 1:35 PM

I watched "Dear Zachary" yesterday. I had not read about it beforehand. The documentary was very worthwhile and told from a loving point of view. It was also very, very heart wrenching. Think of what horror Andrew's parents and friends went through.

This could happen to any of us. Out of this nightmarish hell, they are doing something good to be sure it never happens to anyone again.

We need to realize there are bad and mentally disturbed people out there and they hurt even very good people. My DH was killed in an accident at a young age and I've suffered from chronic depression since. But when I see documentaries like this one, I realize there are people far worse off than I was. It puts ones view of life in a different perspective

No one said life was easy and those who think so should watch this movie. Everyone should watch it anyway and say "there but for the grace of God, go I".

Posted by: Jane at December 8, 2008 1:38 PM

I was just try to cable news junk and located this documentary on MSNBC. I caught it an hour into the show. I have never heard of the case previously. When realizing it began in Latrobe, PA; I thought, I still had not been aware of this case, being also a Pennsylvanian.
I continued viewing and was in absolute shock watching this situation unfold.
Having to watch "Bags" parents and Zachary's grandparents' live and relive this was just UNGODLY.
However, this just shows the injustice in these United States, (and obviously Canada); to have let Shirley Turner slip through every crack. Also, every professional of title involved, should have been ousted from their jobs.
But hearing father, David Bagby state his thoughts to actually kill Shirley and watch a man of faith say what he said, was just as horrifying, knowing he was absolutely right. But please note, Dave and Kate are just seriously the best parents in the world to have climbed this jagged and humungous mountain, all for the love of both their boys.
And to Mr. Kuenne, you are the utmost and truest meaning of the word "FRIEND", I have ever seen. I wish to be able to thank you sincerely for this fabulous work of a beloved and dear friend and his extended and immediate family. KUDOS!!

Posted by: Carol at December 8, 2008 5:39 PM

1st to the person who's name is DISGUSTED. You obviously are lacking the functions of your heart that shows sympathy. I thought the movie was done in the most appropriate way it could from someone who was directly affected by this tragedy. To have it shown from someone who had no direct impact would have diminished the impact we as viewers got from the story being told.

I watched this last night with no background on the story. I sat wishing nothing but the best for the grandparents and this little baby to only be devastated at the tragedy that unfolded in the end. A tragedy that SHOULD have been avoided. I became angry for their loss and disgusted at the government that is suppose to protect the victims. They protected the criminal. The very one that took the life of Andrew and ultimately took the life of little Zachary. I saw it coming when family films where shown of Zachary choosing Kate over that evil b*tch this baby was born from. I knew what ending was going to come. I sat and cried an ocean of tears for Kate, Dave, Andrew and little Zachary. I tear up thinking of them now. I fumed at the government that wronged them so much. SOMEONE should pay for this injustice. The judge who let this devil out should pay.

I think people should definitely get out of their protective bubble and watch this film.

Posted by: Missy at December 8, 2008 6:24 PM

I saw this documentary on MSNBC last night (Sunday Dec. 7th). The author of this review is right...it's a pretty traumatic experience watching it. However, despite all of the emotions that I overcame while watching the story unravel, I couldn't peel myself away from the TV. Perhaps I too, was captured by the clips of film of Andrew with his childhood friends and taken by all of the testimonials from family members. It was a fantastic documentary and I highly recommend that you all watch it.

Posted by: kat at December 8, 2008 6:33 PM

I watched this documentary twice yesterday on MSNBC. By far this is the saddest film I've ever seen. Mr. Kuenne could not have done a better job at paying tribute to his friend, his "brother", Andrew Bagby and his son Zachary. What a true friend. Heaven has a place for Andrew, Zachary, Kate, David, and Mr. Kuenne. This film had me feel so many emotions all at once. It made me cry tears of happiness. But mostly cry tears of sadness. I was infuriated that the system in Canada failed to protect this child from his criminally insane mother & a system that failed to have justice served in the brutal murder of this child's father. I want to do something to help this family in their quest to have bail reformment done in Canada and anywhere else that a person who is charged with murder, especially pre-meditated murder is afforded the privledge of walking out of jail on bail. If you know how I can be a servant to this cause, please email me. There seems to be no closure in this case. I'm so angered that Ms. Turner took the easy way out & in the meantime did the most horrific act a mother could ever conceive doing to her child. Only one word to describe her, EVIL. Everyone that had a hand (I.E. Judges, Pscychiatrists, CPS Social Workers, etc.) in letting this woman walk out of jail on bail & allowing her to spend even 5 minutes alone with Zachary, I hope each and everyone of you get what you deserve. I hope you lose your jobs, have either criminal charges or civil lawsuits pursued against you and won. I hope that for the rest of your lives you are haunted every singe day by the image of what this monster did to a poor baby, his father, and the entire Bagby family. Hell has a place for all of you. This film didn't scar me for life. But it certainly had an intense impact on me. This should have nevered happened. No one should have go through such a heart breaking and gut wrenching ordeal, especially this family. To accept, cope and live through one tragedy after another truly would be a test of my faith in all that is good, righteous and just in this world. Kate and David Bagby are angels from God. You have handled this most horrific of tragedies with so much strength, patience, dignity, and grace. I admire you for the people you are. Everyone could take a lesson from these two wonderful people. You have insprired me to want to help & be a servant to causes such as yours. Thanks so much to you and Mr. Kurt Kuenne for sharing this story with the world.

Posted by: Traci at December 8, 2008 8:35 PM

For people like Disgusted, this film made them fell emotions that they were uncomfortable with or were unable to comprehend and misdirected anger. Mr. Kunne, I believe did the best he could with materials and funding he had, practically like a starving artist. A highschooler would never be able to understand such loss, in such great depth as those who lived their life for much longer and come to truly understand and know their friends and family. It is poor taste and poor manners that someone shots down anothers work without understanding all that comes to play in it.
I do not believe in any deities but i do believe in the good of mankind and I will not give up hope that we all can be better people. Pessimists be damned.
As for weak-heartedness, theres no such thing, it's just the strength of a powerful imagination and fear. Watch the documentary and judge for yourselves and come away smiling with an anger to break the fear.

Posted by: Sick Imp at December 9, 2008 12:09 AM

This was the most tragic thing I have ever seen in my life. But, with that said, I think everyone should watch it. The biggest part of this tragedy could have been prevented, and I am completely livid with the people that allowed this to happen. This vile, disgusting excuse of a female murdered someone, and was free to walk the streets and keep her children. WTF? I think its important for stories like this to be known. It's the only way laws get changed.

Posted by: magit at December 12, 2008 2:38 PM

I respectfully disagree with Mrs. P-h.

The blindsiding in the documentary paralleled the blindsiding that happened in reality.

It wouldn't be much of a documentary if he hadn't dragged us through it the same way he was while making it.

Posted by: lunacy at December 14, 2008 6:36 PM

I am saddened to see that people bad mouth this documentary. Although andrews death may have not been prevented this child zacharys death could have and should have been prevented but the system failed and for those who put down this documentary think about the fact that he it was your child... You would want the world to know so it could be prevented in someone elses family.

Posted by: Pam ramirez at December 15, 2008 12:36 PM

Well saidm Traci... nice comment. This documentary needs to be seen if only to change the incredibly inept system, prevent it from happening again and to embarrass the hell out of the bumbling judges, psychaitrists and social workers that allowed this horrific ordeal to take place.
Kate and David are heroes. They displayed strength beyond anything I could have ever bared or witnessed in my lifetime. Thank you both Kate & David, and Kurt Kuenne for sharing this story and changing the system for Andrew and Zachary. This will stay with me for a long, long time.

Posted by: MThomas at December 15, 2008 3:21 PM

Well saidm Traci... nice comment. This documentary needs to be seen if only to change the incredibly inept system, prevent it from happening again and to embarrass the hell out of the bumbling judges, psychiatrists and social workers that allowed this horrific ordeal to take place.
Kate and David are heroes. They displayed strength beyond anything I could have ever bared or witnessed in my lifetime. Thank you both Kate & David, and Kurt Kuenne for sharing this story and changing the system for Andrew and Zachary. This will stay with me for a long, long time.

Posted by: MThomas at December 15, 2008 3:22 PM

I totally understand Mrs. Pajiba-hyphenate's betrayal...but I honestly believe that the director's point was to get across how shocking it was in the end. NONE of us (and I can't even imagine how the family felt) where expecting it. I believe it was a great (although painful) documentary.

Posted by: Dawn at December 16, 2008 2:37 PM

I watched the documentary this evening on MSNBC, not really knowing what to expect. I found myself crying at some points and literally sobbing as it ended. There were times that I recognized aspects of my husband's ex-wife's behavior in the crazy, calculating and manipulative actions of Shirley Turner and could relate to what the Grandparents had to put up with (my husband walked on eggshells for many years in order to be able to see his youngest daughter as we live in Canada and his ex and daughter live in the U.S.) I was totally blindsided by Shirley's final actions.

There must be changes made in the legal system and in the child welfare system to protect children from parents like Shirley. It seems that the system oftentimes protects the rights of the mother over the rights and SAFETY of the child, and this must stop.

Posted by: Penelope at January 5, 2009 1:38 AM

this documentary should be seen for one simple fact

Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

we as humans never seem to get that

Posted by: david at January 5, 2009 1:38 AM

I just watched this on MSNBC (010509), without knowing the story - blindsided, and I highly recommend it to EVERYONE. Not only is it full of love for the family, and respect for 'the woman,' it tells us about a broken legal system and how important it is that ALL of us pay attention to those we elect to represent our wishes within OUR governments. Steering anyone away from this wretched story, beautifully told, is WRONG! See it AND then DO SOMETHING that makes a Difference.

Posted by: KinKStar at January 5, 2009 1:47 AM

I had never heard of this case, but am fascinated by true crime documentation. I decided to spontaneously watch last night after reading the brief description on MSNBC (which, thankfully, did not give it away). I was incredulous at what had happened to Andrew, completely sympathetic with and rooting for the parents, and totally shocked and blindsided by the ending. I was bawling for the last hour or so. Kuenne is a genius and I am not mad at him for his chronological story-telling. But I am plenty pissed at the system and players who had a hand in how it unfolded in the end. This morning one word still comes to mind: UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE!

Posted by: Shauna at January 5, 2009 8:55 AM

I stayed up late last night watching this documentary. I was not prepared for this in any way. The documentary is still heavy on my mind. What a tragedy.

Posted by: Karen at January 5, 2009 9:21 AM

People MUST watch this to change the laws- things like this obviously do happen. I loved the review until he described it as too much- ridiculous. The Bush administration is too much. Agreed, Kate and David are truly light from heaven and I wanted to scream in anger, but they must be on a higher spiritual plane. They have so many loved ones, as did their son. This is a must-see for all. MUST-SEE. I see them and the son they raised as who we should aspire to be. A great film- not to be missed-

Posted by: Jackie at January 5, 2009 10:21 AM

OK, so now that I've read the review and all the comments on it, I am terribly anxious to watch this documentary. My husband watched it on T.V. last night and told me about it. Where do I go to find this online? I am extremely anxious to find out more about this!
**By the way, this review was very good! Thanx, to the author!**

Posted by: Causha at January 5, 2009 11:35 AM

I did see this documentary last night. Didn't sleep well, and my emotions are still churning. It's a necessary story that must be told, but it's painful to watch. In the end, it's the love that remains - and the extraordinary courage of David and Kate Bagby.

Posted by: Patricia at January 5, 2009 11:46 AM

So glad I turned on MSNBC lastnight. I was immediately sucked in and fell immediately in love with the personality and character of Andrew Bagby. People that wonderful who touch lives like that usually don't stay long, my brother was so loved, admired and respected and was murdered at age 30 senselessly.

This is still on my mind all day today and I was weeping, weeping, weeping. Shock, anger, frustration, laughter, shock, anger, frustration, tears. This IS the saddest story ever told. God Bless the taken and the parents of Andrew Bagby.

Well written Mr. Rowles

Posted by: Patti at January 5, 2009 3:19 PM

I DVR'd this documentary back in December. I tried to watch it while it was recording, but at the time it was too loud in the house with the kids and such, so I continued the recording and changed the channel. Just this morning I was looking back through my recorded shows and I decided to watch it. Andrew seemed like a very loveable, kind, fun person. The videos really showed his personality. It was sad to find out that he was dead. Such a loss. But when I found out what happened at the end, I was totally not expecting that. I am a very emotional person. I cry seeing poor little animals on TV or a dead animal on the side of the road. I felt like this was happening to me persoanally. I was almost heaving. I was balling. I felt like I had experienced the loss. I thought it was a great film. I'm thinking about buying the book. My heart goes out to those parents & grandparents. They have really been put through hell. I don't think anything has ever inspired to me take action like this show did. I'm even thinking about writing to the parliament to have these laws changed. I every time I think about it, I tear up. It's very sad. It didn't have to turn out this way.

Posted by: Shannon at January 7, 2009 11:54 AM

Yet more objective evidence of just how bad & dysfunctional our legal system is.

Posted by: George Reichel at January 8, 2009 10:28 AM

This was a a tough show to watch, unbelievable ending. Saw this on Monday 1/5/09 and here it is Thursday 1/8 and I am thinking about it. I am so sadden by the court system, I hope Shirley Turner's other children have been take away from her. I would like to know what her other children think about her mother. A true eye awakening for anyone that is going through something similar SEEK HELP!

Posted by: Margaret Moreno San Diego, CA at January 8, 2009 3:08 PM

This doc. is a must-see. I watched it cold, with know knowledge of the horror that lay before me. I am permanently scarred from this MASTERFULLY editited piece.
This film shows how cheap life truly can be to the "wolves" of our society. I am here to tell you that Shirley Turner should have been executed the day she walked out on parole. Period.
The spineless liberal court system in Canada produced the ending to this film.

Posted by: Al the Pal at January 10, 2009 1:31 AM

you know, as hard as this was to watch, it is exactly what our society as a whole should see. reality in its pure form. this is what film is supposed to be. if you dont feel something at the end, if it doesnt make you think, then youve wasted your time. the bagby's didnt know what the ending was going to be, why would you give the viewer a 'head's up'. society has become afraid of the dark, so to speak. we'd rather freak out about gas prices apparently, then really care or FEEL anything. especially about anyone else.

Posted by: Blaze at January 11, 2009 2:54 AM

I wish I had seen this review before I saw the show on MSNBC. I have NEVER been so devastated by watching something on TV before in my life. And then it got worse! Well, I have signed every petition I can find to get the Canadian laws changed. I sure hope that the Bagby's see justice in the way of change in their lifetime. Well done, maybe overdone, but this is what someone went through, it's not a fantasy. God save us all.

Posted by: Liz at February 5, 2009 7:40 PM

Wow, what the hell kind of review is this? That's the whole POINT of seeing this movie, so that it tears you up. You shouldn't let these kind of things happen in our world.

Posted by: Yeradumbass at February 19, 2009 12:15 PM

I finally saw Dear Zachary. Hot damn. I stopped breathing toward the end.

But now I'm okay. It was awful and sad, but I got over it a little while after the movie ended. Huh.

Posted by: Lucas at February 25, 2009 3:17 PM

This review is SPOT. ON. I saw the movie last night after my husband randomly pulled it up on Netflix; I want to tell the world to watch it but not give away a single plot point so they can experience the admiration/awe/horror/literal shock the same way I did. Great, great review, Mr. Rowles.

Posted by: REK at March 3, 2009 11:20 AM

I watched this film tonight. I had no idea anything about it, my husband just turned it on. This was the most devastating thing I have ever watched or heard of. This is the most accurate review I've read.

Posted by: Lena at March 7, 2009 12:08 AM

This was one hell of a documentary, no? I worte a note to the filmmaker--and he replied (as promised) and seems to be a very wonderful and loving person. As are Andrew bagby's parents.
Hard to watch? Hell yes.

Worth it? Absolutely.

Posted by: kiki at March 7, 2009 12:54 PM