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What's On Tap Today? How About Necrophilia?

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (95)



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There was a time, honest to God, when nothing could offend me. Harmony Korine, I Spit on Your Grave, John Waters. Hell, I used to watch Faces of Death marathons. I was impenetrable. And you’d think, after five years of movie reviewing, five Saw movies, the rise and fall of torture porn, and eight years of George Bush, that I’d become even more numb to it. Maybe it’s age; maybe it’s being a parent. I dunno. But movies like Captivity or this one, Deadgirl (now on DVD) — they get under my skin. It’s more than just offended; it’s anger. This bile-rising, blood boiling violently ill rage. It’s not just the movies I hate — it’s everyone involved. I get so incensed that I literally want bad things to happen to the filmmakers. Macabre things. I want to see their intestines pulled out and fed to them. I want to take a mallet to their toes. I want to hurt them.

That’s no way to approach a film review. I know that. So, I waited a full week after I watched Deadgirl to calm myself. I want to approach it more rationally, without actual malice toward the filmmakers. Without a compulsion to drive to their homes and murder them in their sleep. Because I know — I understand — that hardcore horror fans probably liked Deadgirl. It’s well made, and competently put together enough to effectively drive me to a murderous rage. And surely, my pansy-ass pseudo-feminist reaction is likely to make it even more appealing to that nihilistic demographic, a demographic of folks who would tell me to get the fuck over myself. That it’s just a movie. That the seething rage is misguided, inappropriate, and has fuckall to do with the actual film.

And maybe they’re right, I mean, there is a certain thematic exploration in Deadgirl. It you wanted to look at it in a particular way, it’s really just a film about the out-of-control hormonal insanity of teenage boys, and the lengths they might go to in order to fulfill their sexual appetites. It’s like a horror version of American Pie.

But honestly, all I saw was an excuse to chain up a naked woman and brutally rape and fuck her for 90 minutes.

Two loserish teenage boys (Shiloh Fernandez and Noah Segan) with no sexual outlets at their high school decide to skip class one day. Bored and a six-pack in, they find an abandoned building and work their way through the tunnels until they find a naked woman underneath a sheet of plastic strapped to a table in a boiler room. They don’t understand why she’s there, but hey! Look! A helpless naked dead woman! Whatever shall we do?

How about fuck her? Oh, and good news: It turns out, she moves, but she can’t die! Cause she’s already dead. She’s a zombie. Shoot her. Bludgeon her. Rape the ever-loving shit out of her, and she’ll survive for another day of necrophiliac rape and torture! Shame her wounds don’t heal, however, because after a few days, the naked woman strapped to a table starts to look a little worse for wear. Multiple rapes, beatings, and rigor mortis will do that to a person.

No matter. While one of the high-school boys feels a little guilty about, you know, repeatedly defiling the undead woman, the other one thinks, “Hey! I can get my jollies off and I can charge admission so that others can use this motionless hole of pleasure!” Bingo: Sex slave! So, of course, a few of the school jocks are brought in for a rapin’ good time, too.

I don’t want to say much more, lest I spoil it for you (let’s just say, one zombie plus a zombie bite equals more ladies to fuck, a little trick they discovered after a zombie blowjob went awry), but after a slow but disturbing first two acts, Deadgirl ratchets up its premise, its violence, and its sociological exploration, so to speak. Putting the downright atrocious dialogue aside, as a horror movie, it’s unfortunately effective, suitably grim, and even kind of inventive for the zombie genre, if you want to call it that. I could see the high-school version of myself getting a kick out of it. But then again, my high-school self had very little moral sense, had a sick sense of humor, and got off on senseless nihilism. He was a soft-brained sadistic little fuck.

This version of myself, however, found it pointless, abhorrent, disgusting, sadistic and — yes — misogynistic. It’s dirty fucking exploitative bullshit, meant to draw in the very crowd it’s “satirizing.” It’s depraved as hell, but then again, that’s its biggest selling point.

But at least it’s not lesbian necrophilia. Cause, ick.









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Comments

... ratchets up its premise, it’s violence, and it’s sociological exploration

ITS violence

ITS sociological exploration

(Ill-used apostrophes make me want to take a mallet to people's toes.)

Posted by: appwitch at September 22, 2009 2:15 PM

Saw this and Grace on the same night. Maybe sans hype they would have sparkled more.

Posted by: laredo at September 22, 2009 2:16 PM

But it's ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And according to you and every other shit slurper at Pajiba EVERYTHING associated in ANY way with zombies is hte RULZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fucking liar.

Print this.

Posted by: Fappy McFapper at September 22, 2009 2:20 PM

"...according to you and every other shit slurper..."

Your words are poetry.

Might want to get your spellcheck and exclamation point key looked at, holmes...

Posted by: Skitz at September 22, 2009 2:24 PM

Misspelling words in a snarky post is like holding the grenade and tossing the pin.

Posted by: laredo at September 22, 2009 2:28 PM

But honestly, all I saw was an excuse to chain up a naked woman and brutally rape and fuck her for 90 minutes.

That's all I see as well. I'm not necessarily offended when I see these types of movies, I can't be bothered to muster up enough vitriol...but I dislike them nonetheless. I Spit On Your Grave was lent to me by a coworker after stating it was one of his favorite movies, and I was just astounded. It was 15 minutes of a pretty girl in desperate need of a sandwich on vacation, 45 minutes of brutal gang rape, and then 15 minutes of revenge. "But she got them back in the end!" Oh yeah, that negates the horror of the last hour. I can handle a lot of shit in movies but repeated rapes are not one of them, so I just steer clear and read the synopsis of movies whose virtues are extolled by my coworker. I'd rather enjoy penetration by jumping my boyfriend after cracking each other up with Ralph Wiggam quotes.

Posted by: Julie at September 22, 2009 2:28 PM

I think this movie will resonate with a lot of men because most women when you have sex with them they just lay there cold and detached. Just take a look at Jennifer Aniston she’s sexy and she has a lot of money, unfortunately that broad is dead on the inside because if Pitt thought she was a live wire he would have hung in there.

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 22, 2009 2:35 PM

Dustin, how does it rate on the Human Centipeded scale? 2 legs? 12 legs? 200 legs?

Let's see:

2 legs = Not as bad as Human Centipede
12 legs = Human Centipede
200 legs = Worse than Human Centipede

Posted by: BWeaves at September 22, 2009 2:37 PM

Wow Guess Who!, with comments like that it's no wonder you can only have sex with girls who are lifeless...

I'm a feminist and huge horror fan. I can watch some shit splatter with the best of them, but rape horror? Seriously, that's not even inventive. It's just misogynistic and boring.

I anticipate that several of the mouthbreathers that love Pajiba will get a great kick out of it.

Posted by: Melanie at September 22, 2009 2:43 PM

Guess Who! If most women you have sex with are cold and detached, it means you're not very good at it. The others are obviously faking it. Get thee some lessons.

Posted by: BWeaves at September 22, 2009 2:52 PM

Is anyone else freaked out about the increasing number of horror films that feature rapes as either a central theme, or a casual throw-in? Because I am. Seriously - this, Last House on the Left, almost every "creepy backwoods mutant family" picture to come out recently. What is that?

Have we mined the horror tropes so thoroughly that writers feel the need to turn to rape? There's no purpose to it, other than to upset and offend people. We're now seeing it used almost casually, like creative death scenes. I can't help but think of producers sitting around going, "gee, it's not a bad script, but it's not disturbing enough. Let's toss in a rape scene!"

I anticipate that several of the mouthbreathers that love Pajiba will get a great kick out of it.

What fucking Pajiba are you reading?

Posted by: Skewicide Blonde at September 22, 2009 2:53 PM

Guess Who!

Please find another site to troll. There are people who put a lot of time and effort into producing this site, and you really, honestly take a lot of the joy out of doing so. I can't ban you; you find a way around it. I can only ask you to stop. Please.

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at September 22, 2009 2:55 PM

BWeaves,

I'm officially in love with you for singlehandedly keeping the Human Centipede alive. I'm telling you, the Centipede is pure comedy gold.

(I'm not being sarcastic. The more we can turn the Centipede into comedy, the more we can blunt the horror of it. And every one of your Centipede comments has made me laugh really, really hard.)

Posted by: MM at September 22, 2009 2:55 PM

"Shit Slurper?!" I'll have you know all the finest people sip their shit through their slippery shiny silver shit sipping silly straw! So good day to you sir! I SAID GOOD DAY!

Posted by: mrcreosote at September 22, 2009 2:56 PM

Obviously Melanie you can’t see the genius of what I said. I’m coming from the view point that some women are emotionally dead and Aniston I believe is one of those women. Men can be emotionally dead also, but as long as they keep their bedroom skills at the ready there shouldn’t be a problem. You are a feminist so already your views should be viewed with skepticism. Aniston was once hot and sexy, but as a woman ages and she doesn’t get the guys clamoring for her treasures her only route is to travel the feminism road and hope to reach a glory that has long since died out.

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 22, 2009 3:00 PM

No problem Rowles.

Posted by: Guess Who! at September 22, 2009 3:02 PM

Seriously...I'm with Melanie. I'm a feminist and a HUGE horror fan. I'll watch some pretty rancid stuff sometimes. Went thru a big phase in my early 20's where my best friend & I would rent movies by how ridiculous and jacked up the boxes were that they came in. I Spit on Your Grave? seen it. Faces of Death ? Did the marathons, too. But this is NOT even good for a "oh god what a horrible movie...awful dialogue, bad acting, horrible effects, etc...." watching. This is repulsive and disgusting.

Oh, and, uh, Guess Who and Fappy, fuck off and die. Really.

Posted by: dammitjanet at September 22, 2009 3:05 PM

I remember seeing Irréversible a few years ago and being completely appalled at the only scene that anyone ever watched in that movie. Not only was it 15 minutes straight of rape and assault, but it also insinuated that homosexuals were all incredibly depraved sociopaths. And watching the movie backwards didn't help either.

Posted by: annoyingmouse at September 22, 2009 3:09 PM

Men can be emotionally dead also, but as long as they keep their bedroom skills at the ready there shouldn’t be a problem. You are a feminist so already your views should be viewed with skepticism. ....but as a woman ages and she doesn’t get the guys clamoring for her treasures her only route is to travel the feminism road and hope to reach a glory that has long since died out.


Posted by: Guess Who! at September 22, 2009 3:00 PM


Ok, really...this is the last time I am talking to you.

First: you are a huge tool. So, as long as a guy can lay that pipe, emotions are disposable? Negative. You are full of shit.

Second: My views as a feminist are not MILITANT feminist, but I just believe that women are every bit as good as men, deserve equal treatment and pay. How many movies feature a MAN getting his ass raped repeatedly by WOMEN? Riddle me that, fuckwad.

Third: As a woman who is in her 40's, I can tell you, my treasures are still in demand. Apparently your biggest issue is with Jennifer Aniston, who I cannot stand, but that's beside the point. Women are beautiful and vibrant and READY TO GO at my age, buster. I'd put your sad little ass into a coma, I would. The new Mr. Dammit is 5 years my junior, and has NO complaints.

In conclusion, take your sorry, whiny, can't-get-no-satisfaction ass over to Perez Hilton, where he will welcome you with open ass cheeks. We here at Pajiba will no longer suffer the likes of you.

PAJIBANS, SHUN HIM!!! SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!

Posted by: dammitjanet at September 22, 2009 3:16 PM

"Misspelling words in a snarky post is like holding the grenade and tossing the pin. "

Laredo, I love you.

My favorite saying is:
"Having an argument on the internet is like being in the Special Olympics. Win or lose, you're still retarded."

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at September 22, 2009 3:17 PM

I'll take a pass. There's much better fare to be had.

Posted by: admin at September 22, 2009 3:18 PM

I'm just pissed off that the movie kind of stole one of my ideas...I say kind of.

I was writing a Zombie screenplay in college and one of the scenes dealt with a group of rednecks who found the hottest girl in town who had turned into a zombie. They tied her down and would have sex with her, with a condom btw, less the infection can be transferred via an STD. Now DR technically, because she's not "dead" she is the "undead" it would not be considered rape, because she's not alive for it to be rape. Nor would it be considered necrophilia (note how necrophilia is not thought of as rape) it would technically be considered zombiephilia. A term I came up with in my screenplay that obviously has no purpose anymore. From the sound of how this movie is going to turn out I have a feeling it will follow the path my screenplay took and the zombie is going to end up getting free. Which is also a big duh.

It just saddens me...guess I'm going to have to go back to my man vs. man route in my screenplay.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at September 22, 2009 3:26 PM

...and yes, snarky post did play Christine on Night Court.

Posted by: laredo at September 22, 2009 3:29 PM

I think 'shit slurper' needs a hyphen.

Posted by: twig at September 22, 2009 3:30 PM

Ugh, another rape movie--along with the Eli Roth-style mutilation movies, this seems to be a growing trend among "horror" filmmakers who can't seem to build a decent sense of dread and unease without giving in to cheap exploitation. Bring back the psychological thrillers!

Posted by: Bd at September 22, 2009 3:31 PM

Has anyone seen The Girl Next Door? Its based on a true story and it was directed by Gregory Wilson and it is by far the most horrible thing ive watched. Its so disturbing i couldnt finish it. Catherine Keener starred in a movie based on the same incident but i bet its nowhere near as fucked as this one. If you can stomach it try it out.

Posted by: sad rockstar at September 22, 2009 3:31 PM

sad rockstar, are you talking about "An American Tragedy"? It's based on the true story of Sylvia Likens here in good ol' Indy. Sick, sick shit.

Posted by: dammitjanet at September 22, 2009 3:36 PM

dammitjanet you are my hero!

Posted by: L. Atwater at September 22, 2009 3:38 PM

People people, don't feed the trolls. I've said it before, and I occasionally ignore my own advice, but seriously, if you engage with certain people, it just encourages them to be offensive. Ignoring them may not make them go away, but it will eliminate the joy they get out of believing they know how to push your buttons.

Posted by: s. pisaster at September 22, 2009 3:44 PM

lolcatz: Oh Hai! Plez make a horror movie where people are tickled by monster, because that would be not so much horrible.

Posted by: laredo at September 22, 2009 3:46 PM

That's some impressive alliteration there, mrcreosote. Bravo!

Posted by: ariadne at September 22, 2009 3:47 PM

There was zero chance I'd see this, as I don't go for the horror porn, but now there's less than zero chance. Rape ain't entertainment.
Actually, if this one comes to my local multiplex, I think I'll take care not to be around when it lets out. I don't fancy meeting the crowd who'd want to see this movie!

Posted by: Tarn at September 22, 2009 3:51 PM

lolcatz: Oh Hai! Plez make a horror movie where people are tickled by monster

Isn't that Where The Wild Things Are?

Posted by: MM at September 22, 2009 3:52 PM

This review alone has been enough to send me into paroxysms of rage. I really thought this torture porn business had burnt out - it's not escapism, it's not social commentary, it's just a miserable excuse for some Fangoria-contributing reject to...I don't even know what one might get out of a movie like this. I'm beyond disturbed.

Great review, though - you really drove your point home, because I've got to tell you, I feel downright sick to my stomach right now.

Posted by: KittyKitty at September 22, 2009 4:02 PM

This discussion would be so much more involved if Pajiba weren't the only movie site on the web that DOESN'T seem to attract necrophiliacs and rapists.

Posted by: laredo at September 22, 2009 4:02 PM

DeistBrawler, sweetie, then you're just as fucked up as these screenwriters. The logic that it's not rape because she's a zombie is so twisted, it's actually disconcerting and disappointing.

Because what you're conveniently ignoring is the clear and obvious objectification of women as nothing more than sex objects, and of men as nothing more than animalistic psychos who, if all societal restraints were removed, would actually willingly engage in such a thing.

That is to say, is the film (or your "script") positing that the conscious participation of the subject the only thing that prevents men from fucking every woman they come across, consent be damned? Or is it saying that women are nothing more than fucktoys, and oh, how lucky, we found one that won't put up a fight!

Either way, it's a shitty idea. It generalizes and marginalizes both men and women. If you ask me, this is the absolute worst kind of film-making, all the more so because I'd be willing to bet that the director and writer are trying to convince people that they've done something important, when in truth they know they've done nothing more than use rape as entertainment.

Posted by: Skewicide Blonde at September 22, 2009 4:12 PM

I just watched this movie last night and had the same exact reaction. And the ending? Kind of appalling, even though in a better movie it might've been a horrific twist. Apparently the moral of the story is it's okay to rape a girl after all, as long as you really really love her. Wait, what?

I heard good things about this movie, so I was all the more disappointed when I finally saw it. I was like "That's it? 90 minutes of gangrape and smug self-satisfaction? That's really it?"

Posted by: Nat at September 22, 2009 4:30 PM

Check out this preview clip, presumably narrated by the director(?):

http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=18330

I had to post this because in introducing his protagonists as "ne'er-do-wells" he pronounces it like "near-do-wells." Which, I guess might be salvageable as some sort of pun if it was in print and intentional. As is, it's just mildly amusing.

Posted by: Dur. at September 22, 2009 4:31 PM

Skewicide Blonde your hyperbole is noted, but I don’t believe DeistBrawler condones rape nor necrophilia. Usually when a movie comes out that shows a woman in any sort of sexual situation that she isn’t in total control of, all of the usual suspects tend show up from the feminist crowd all the way up to the kink crowd.

This movie seems to be nothing more than a Rorschach test.

Posted by: L. Atwater at September 22, 2009 4:37 PM

Thanks L. Atwater.

What I would also like to address is this. Everytime there is a rape in a film it is automatically being looked at from the feminist/men are pigs attitude.

My question then would be...how would you look at a man who is raped by a woman? Explain that one to me. Say this movie was reversed and it was women having sex with a male zombie? Say during rigomortous the penis is hard and they can have their way with it. How would that be looked at?

Another thing is. To get under the skin of a moviegoer there are two easy tricks. One, rape or assault. Two, kill a kid. Because no one likes to see someone who can't defend themselves (don't even get started with anything you want to throw out about women defending themselves) get abused and/or killed.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at September 22, 2009 4:53 PM

Several people have made this point but I must comment.
A movie that tries to make violence and rape "okay, because she's a zombie" is one that doesn't deserve a single set of eyes viewing it or one penny of anyone's money going to the makers of this misogynistic cinematic crapfest.
That is that.

Posted by: Spender at September 22, 2009 5:22 PM

I've seen a movie (can't remember the title right now, but it will come to me in a moment) where a gay man and his friends were approached in a dark alley by a group of would-be homophobic gay bashers. They have a confrontation and one of the gay men is attacked by one of the homophobes. The gay man physically overwhelms the homophobe, and the rest of the homophobe's friends run off. The gay man then proceeds to rape the homophobe as some kind of punishment. It was just as disturbing and fucked up to watch as any male-on-female rape scene is for me. But the scene served a purpose: it advanced the storyline for the rapist and his friends, who were appalled by his actions. Rape and other types of assault can service the story by advancing the plot, giving us more information about characters and their motivations, etc. As uncomfortable as I find such scenes to watch if they have some POINT it doesn't necessarily ruin the movie for me, depending on the length and the graphic nature.

The horror of zombies is not only that they are the walking dead that can infect you, but that they were once people. People who once had souls, and now do not. I'm a huge zombie movie fan, but I won't be seeing this one. It sounds like they just used zombies as a device to showcase rape and torture within the premise that if the person being raped is a zombie, it's not *really* rape. Just like if you kill a zombie, it's not *really* murder. Well, morality within the context of the Zombiverse may allow for that statement to be made, but that doesn't mean I'll want to see it played out.

I think the point of this movie is: stupid high school boys will stick their dicks into *anything*, living dead or no.

Posted by: janetfaust at September 22, 2009 5:27 PM

This says a lot about our shock culture. I mean, where is there left to go from here?

Oh, I know, I know! Here's a premise: We take our natural love for fucking dead people (necrophelia) and couple that with our natural love of abortion (dead fetus', or is it fetii?), and we'll call it necrortion. I guess you technically can't rape the fetii, since they are already dead, but shit! NECRORTION SOUNDS FANFUCKINGTABLIOSO! I need a script, a crew, a cast, some minimal financial backing and I too can be a Hollywood Scumbag filmmaker!

But I'm much too bourgeois for any kind of venture like that...

Posted by: John Denver's Wingman at September 22, 2009 5:30 PM

Spender you are a feminist wet dream, you are a man that actually uses the word misogynistic. Sir you are a modern day Lloyd Dobler, you aren’t one of the guys, oh no. You are “The Guy,” you’re the one that all feminist have been waiting for.

Posted by: L. Atwater at September 22, 2009 5:59 PM

Deist, you seem like a nice person, so I'll go ahead and ask this; Why, when women object to clear instances of women being objectified and sexually abused in depraved ways, do some men say "Well you'd feel differently if it were a man!"? No. We wouldn't. Any forced sexual intercourse is rape. It doesn't matter if it's man on woman, woman on woman, man on man or woman on man. It's all rape and it should all be punished that way. I know certain laws aren't written that way, but I think that's wrong and the laws should be changed to reflect the fact that yes, men can be raped and yes, women can be rapists.

We're not on two different sides here. It's just as disturbing to say that all men want is something warm to stick their dick in without the pesky issue of consent as it is to say that all women want is a warm phallus to get off with regardless of the feelings of the individual it's attached to. I'm always disturbed at the implication that what one REALLY wants is a partner who cannot or does not need to consent, because I think sexual interaction requires just that: interaction.

And honestly, I do think creative screen writers can come up with better gut punches than killing a child or sexually assaulting a woman. I've been deeply affected by movies that featured neither of those things, and not at all affected by movies that did.

Posted by: Rusty (formerly Genny) at September 22, 2009 6:01 PM

I suggest you plan a field trip to the local museum so we can protest the latest viewing of some starving artist’s depiction of a naked Virgin Mary, DR.

Posted by: L. Atwater at September 22, 2009 6:09 PM

dammitjanet, not to split hairs, but it's actually "An American Crime". "The Girl Next Door" is based on a Jack Ketchum novel which is in turn based on the true events. All of them are deeply upsetting, largely because of the truth behind the story.

As to the review, this site has a hate on for horror, and more specifically, horror fans. Examples from this comment section alone:

"I anticipate that several of the mouthbreathers that love Pajiba will get a great kick out of it." - Melanie

"I don't fancy meeting the crowd who'd want to see this movie!" - Tarn

The implication being that if you like movies depicting these acts, then you must also like these acts (also, you're a terrible person). Now, I'm not defending the uptick in rape scenes in horror movies at all. Throw all the gore and violence you want at me, but rape scenes make me squirm and look away. But as my Director of Theatre in college once told me, "do not confuse depiction with endorsement." The same people who call horror fans sick would probably be up in arms at yet another attempt by public leaders to blame all youth violence on video games.

I've seen the movie, unlike many of those making negative comments about it. Yes, it made me wildly uncomfortable, because regardless of the woman's state of being, what the one boy and his friend do to her is appalling. But the movie never steps back and says "Hey there sicko! Isn't all this zombie sex hot?" In fact, it actually encourages you to judge these boys for their acts. The one who chooses to keep the woman slowly slides into a complete nasty mess, while his friend, whose crime is silence, loses all his friends and the girl of his dreams. So it's not like the "villains" escape unscathed. And the movie is effective at what it aims for: it shows you a twisted coming-of-age tale, and the negative effects of lust uncontrolled.

On November 12 of last year, TK reviewed the Molly Parker movie "Kissed", about an isolated young woman who is in love with the dead. The movie depicts her consummation of this lifelong obsession with a recent arrival in the funeral home at which she works. Both the review and the comments extolled it as a beautiful love story, depicting a love not understood by society. But ultimately, it's a movie about necrophilia. There are comments in this thread proclaiming the acts in "Deadgirl" as rape, while the comments for "Kissed" extol the beauty of the act as an expression of pure love. But they are, in essence and in reality, the same thing. The fact that the dead person in this movie is animate (albeit falsely) and a woman is what seems to hang everyone up. But do you think the family of the dead man Molly Parker's character "seduces" would be happy if they knew what happened? Would they care that she's in LOVE with the dead, or would they simply see it for what it is, an aberrant sexual act?

It simply seems a little double-sided to laud one movie about necrophilia while debasing another, regardless of the circumstances. Both involve a living human having sex with a dead person against his or her "will" (though whether the dead have a will and therefore the ability to consent or deny is another topic entirely). But since a large number of 'jibans have the aforementioned hate on for horror, obviously "Deadgirl" gets dragged through the coals.

Whether I agree with them or not, I feel the majority of the reviews on this site are thoughtful and well-written. But the ease with which a large number of commentors denigrate fans of a particular genre is depressing. As a lifelong horror fan, I look forward to the reviews, but not the comments. Nothing makes me feel more unwelcome here than horror movie comment threads.

Posted by: JustBill at September 22, 2009 6:11 PM

Deist, ask yourself why is it that all of a sudden Rusty is talking about women being objectified when just last week she was crowing about what she would do to Jeffrey Dean Morgan?

Posted by: L. Atwater at September 22, 2009 6:22 PM

There are no sympathetic characters in the film. Only DG gets close as we see her doing chompy zombie things and fleeing the building in zombie glee. Even the live girl who ends up as DG2 is rendered unsympatheric by the easy manner in which she's manipulated by the dumbasses surrounding her. Like a lot of horror movies, this was a series of stupid events that could only have occurred if the characters, at every turn, did the stupidest thing possible. I could imagine a movie with people screwing zombies that might be interesting, but this wasn't it.

My dislike for it stemmed from it being a bad horror movie (hell a bad movie period) rather than from it being a bad feminist movie.

For some of you, however, who are voicing a more generalized disenchantment, might I suggest that perhaps you ah, shouldn't maybe be watching horror movies? There's violence and stuff in them. Sometimes people fuck corpses. Even in the "Suspense" and "Psychological Thriller" films, sometimes a scary bad man in a hat will dart around a corner suddenly.

Posted by: laredo at September 22, 2009 6:22 PM

Deist it's still rape. Why would woman-on-man rape make ANY difference whatsoever? It's always seemed disturbing to me that some people pretend like that would be ok, or laughable, or hot. But it isn't. It's still rape. Still fucked up. Still wrong. I wouldn't want to know you, or anyone, if you or they looked at it any different.

Posted by: figgy at September 22, 2009 6:25 PM

It is so unfair for some you to make DeistBrawler out to be some sort of monster simply because he voiced a different opinion. Shame on you.

Posted by: L. Atwater at September 22, 2009 6:33 PM

Wow, JustBill. You don't comment often, but when you do, it's as eloquent as anyone could ask for.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at September 22, 2009 6:40 PM

Because I know — I understand — that hardcore horror fans probably liked Deadgirl.

I hated it.

I constantly need to remind myself that I am in the minority even over at the IMDB horror boards. What those sickos claim is high art, like Deadgirl or Inside, I find to be sick and exploitative in the worst sense of the word.

Perhaps we're not so different after all, Dustin. Is it too much to ask for a horror film with some brains and competent filmmaking? I'm not even asking for good anymore, just merely adequate. Godtopus knows Hollywood is perfectly content to swing for the infield and take that single.

Posted by: Robert at September 22, 2009 6:42 PM

To Rusty & figgy
I was actually in a situation similar to a woman on man rape. While not technically under the definition in a law standpoint...in a mental standpoint it was kind of fucked.

What ya'll are not looking at and I believe someone else has said this, is look at a "horror" film. In the typical slasher films who dies? The people who do drugs and those that have sex. Who gets objectified? Women. Why? Because look at the general demographic for a horror film. Do you think it's young women? Or even older women for that matter?

I'm also going to go back to the point of "torture porn" I got in an argument with Drew Morton on this one on another movie and while he proved a good argument he was going on the definition of the word "porn." I was saying there is torture porn...its called a snuff film. I am a personal fan of the Saw films and while not a big fan of Hostel I still watched it. I like a genre (because typical horror films can't scare me at all) that can at least gross me out, make me sick to my stomach, or make me thank christ I wasn't the party involved in the movie. Do I actually like to see women raped and beaten? No...that's why I like the style of film. Anything that can make me leave a theatre going "Holy fuck," was in my opinion a good film.

For all those who think the people who write this are "sick fucks," I disagree. There were two things I liked in my creative writing classes. Those people who would read my work and praise it, and those that would tell me they couldn't read it because they found it too brutal, vulgar, or disgusting. To me, both of those were a compliment. I can tell, just from the decription of the movie, that the screenwriter did not tackle the issue in the right way. In a recent short story I wrote I had not one, not two, but three rape scenes and an implied future molestation of a little girl. It wasn't to shock. It was to tell the reader what a bleak reality the "world" had become in my story, and to show why the main character transforms himself. Look at The Road, he has a pregnant woman give birth and then eat the baby because the group she is traveling with is starving.

Don't automatically look at something and take a "feminist" perspective. Maybe if you looked at it another way first you can see what the story is really about. Maybe this story isn't just about gangraping/torture/mutilation...maybe its a story of the future of the world given the right circumstances...maybe it is just about gangraping/torture/mutilation.

If you can't stomach it...don't watch it. That's all that has to be said.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at September 22, 2009 6:54 PM

why is it that all of a sudden Rusty is talking about women being objectified when just last week she was crowing about what she would do to Jeffrey Dean Morgan? - L. Atwater

Apparently, because I have a sense of humor, other than some people around here. There's a big difference between joking that I'd like to have sex with someone (and as regular commenters will know, I don't take the male commenters to task for similar comments about, say, Christina Hendricks) and saying that an individual, regardless of gender, is only good for sex.

I don't think Deist is a monster. I've had conversations with him, and I think that he's a nice person (hence "you seem like a nice person") who just happens to hold some viewpoints I disagree with. I was questioning those viewpoints and offering up my reasoning as to why I disagreed with them. I don't see why YOU insist on stirring the shit. There's a decent conversation to be had here about sexual politics and whether or not we can ever un-gender sexual assault, but you're turning this into some sort of "us against them" fight. And what are you defending, exactly? Or are you just here to pick on people?

Posted by: Rusty (formerly Genny) at September 22, 2009 6:58 PM

Deist, I posted my last comment before your most recent comment went up. But I can understand that. I mean, some people look at Damien Hirst's work and see nothing but someone who's out to make something completely depraved and devoid of artistic value, and some see genius commentary in a shocking form.

I don't like movies that depict extreme torture and violence. I think a lot of them skip past social commentary and head straight into sadism, which I'm not interested in at all. But I can also understand that my tastes are not "correct" anymore than anyone else's are, and that's why it's a free country.

Posted by: Rusty (formerly Genny) at September 22, 2009 7:11 PM

Say this movie was reversed and it was women having sex with a male zombie?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0643106/
It's probably a sign that I watch too many horror movies when I read something like that and immediately think "seen it." Deist - apparently it's okay because of course male zombies always want sex. (incidentally, that attitude is unfortunately similar to how many people react to men being raped. Patriarchy has downsides for men too.)

Posted by: s. pisaster at September 22, 2009 7:14 PM

JustBill, thanks for the correction. I was on my way out the door and work, and wasn't sure if that was the correct title. I'm torn, because I want to see the movie, but at the same time, I have read about the true case, and am leery of it.

And your comment was the very definition of eloquent. See, what took a very ugly turn because of 2 trolls who shall remain nameless has turned into a very compelling discussion. THAT is why Pajiba is so brilliant. We can talk, cuss each other, vent, give our opinions freely, and still all board the MurderTank together, with Guinness in hand, to storm Hollywood and decapitate Michael Bay. *sniff* This is so beautiful! I love you people!

Posted by: dammitjanet at September 22, 2009 7:16 PM

I don't think he's a monster at all.

But...yeah I've bigger things to worry about right now, so I'll just go with 'what Rusty said'.

Posted by: figgy at September 22, 2009 7:17 PM

I've read the review and glanced over the comments. And I'm disturbed.

Whether she's dead or not is not the point. The point is that a woman (and, it seems, eventually women) are being systematically raped and tortured as entertainment. Not just for the characters, but for the entertainment of the audience.
And though the word misogyny is tossed around cavalierly, it's hard to not use that word when the ones getting raped in films are overwhelmingly female. And when women watch these kinds of things on film, I think it's hard not to identify, to a degree, with the female characters.
I've said it before in comments and in discussions, but there is a difference between a rape scene occurring in a movie because it's part of the story and because it's just a way to get a sensational reaction from the audience. If it weren't allowed anywhere, that would be the same as pretending it doesn't exist. That is just as dangerous as using it gratuitously and irresponsibly.
The fact that there is an entire movie built around this theme is sickening to me. Because when I think of something like this, I'm not automatically thinking "Oh yes, this is a character/sociological commentary on the depths to which people will go." I'm thinking "Christ, women don't seem to be worth more than what's between their legs." That is the message that screams a little more loudly for me.
All audiences look for reflections of themselves in movies, books, television. It is equally dangerous for women to constantly see themselves portrayed as victims as it is for men to constantly see themselves portrayed as victimizers. It's fair to no one.
But I think Bill makes an excellent point, to say that this is merely a horror film, and then to extend that to say that all (or most) horror films share this view, and by that logic all (or most) horror fans must uphold and share the views of the films they enjoy is a gross generalization.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at September 22, 2009 7:24 PM

I guess I'll just never understand the kind of mentality that enjoys watching films that are heavy on the torture, senseless violence, or rape, simply because I can't stand to watch those sorts of things. I can barely even stomach short torture scenes in movies. Anything that shows a person completely helpless in the hands of another makes me cringe, and rape even more so. I don't understand why or how they keep writing Saw films, or why so many people watch them. It's a genre that I simply can't stomach. But hey, it's just my opinion, and you have your own, so go ahead and enjoy it. I don't get it, but I also don't get the appeal of Hannah Montana, so what the hell. But I will never, ever find the depiction of rape, in any way or form, anything but disturbing and wrong. I'll just stay away.

Posted by: figgy at September 22, 2009 7:31 PM

I normally wouldn't get involved in this kind of thing, but...

In case y'all haven't figured it out, it's worth noting that obvious troll L. Atwater is actually Guess Who/Pookie.

I guess what I'm saying is - don't waste too much energy on him.

Posted by: TK at September 22, 2009 9:00 PM

I have nothing to add to this brilliant discussion other than to say that I am enjoying reading all the comments. It's rare to have a civil discussion between people with differences in opinion and even more so on an online forum or comment site.

Also, dammitjanet, when I have children you can be their Paji-godmother.

Riddle me that, fuckwad.

I love that. A few months ago I said the exact same words to my manager after asking him about something that made me particularly hot under the collar....only without the "fuckwad" (my manager is a nice guy).

Posted by: stardust savant at September 22, 2009 9:17 PM

I heard about this movie long before it was reviewed on the site and thought it was the most fucked-up premise for a movie I had ever read (this was, of course, in the halcyon days pre-Human Centipede). Glad to hear my gut reaction wasn't wrong.

Aw... you mean Obvious Troll flounced out of the comments swearing never to return, only to IMMEDIATELY return under a new name? Again? Color me shocked.

Posted by: Craig at September 22, 2009 9:53 PM

Apparently the moral of the story is it's okay to rape a girl after all, as long as you really really love her.

General Hospital did that BS thirty years ago. And it sucked then as much as it does now....when an otherwise good boy pays for his rapin' and silence by "losing the girl of his dreams."

Posted by: Stacy D at September 22, 2009 11:58 PM

TK, I was just thinking that. I don't visit the site as often as I used to but had noted the absence of Pookie and an obvious similarity in comments made by GuessWho.

Posted by: Dexter Morgan at September 23, 2009 12:12 AM

Oh, and I saw this film and the most offensive thing about it was how boring it was. Really, more than one Dead Girl? I fell asleep after 30 minutes.

Posted by: Dexter Morgan at September 23, 2009 12:15 AM

What bothers me, to try and put it succinctly, is that the depicted situation has become suspect because the rationale for it has not been adequately explored.*

In a weird way, this is a similar theme to District 9's aliens. What rights do 'beings' with dangerous ailments/diseases/lack of any communicative touchstones have? Who represents them, and who advocates? Based upon what values/theoretical concepts? Who will stop the basest among us from exercising control over those who cannot/will not defend themselves?

It could be brilliant.

But it goes for the $12.94/ticket, plus $13.52 Mega Corn Combo, and a side of shame.

There's your problem.

*I have not seen it, add grain of salt, to taste.

Posted by: replica at September 23, 2009 2:23 AM

(About DeistBrawler's script)

If you are going to write about 'triggering', abhorrent, taboo or otherwise uncomfortable subject matter, you will get a reaction. Often extremely negative ones. That's okay, because shit needs to be talked about and evaluated in a free society.

Chances are, though, you'll lose a lot of your audience because you chose a sledgehammer over a scalpel.

I LOVE Charles Bukowski for example...but I have never once opened one of the many books of his in my collection since I read the short story about the little girl in the garage. Yes, that's my loss, and it would be my loss to continue to avoid difficult content, and yet - I don't think I have to.

I despised reading the Road also - but I read the damn thing through on a summer vacation because it was about far more than - 'Eek! Baby eaters! Ewie-ew-ew-ew! How COULD they?!'.

As long as you're putting those powerful themes to absolutely sound psychological exploration and thoughtful, nuanced social commentary - you shouldn't feel defensive at all.

Posted by: replica at September 23, 2009 2:38 AM

Late to the party but what the hell, shit like this brings out my inner finger wagging moralist. Ordinarily I keep try to keep him occupied by writing letters to the editor that never get posted but fuckit, he needs a walk

So there’s an audience for anything if you pitch it right- puppies and sunshine, Katherine Heigl and Speidie, Faux News, torture porn and now female zombie rape (a flavour I was previously unaware of). Seeing it once out of morbid curiosity I can understand, but becoming a fan of this sort of shit is something I just can’t wrap my head around. If my worldview became so jaundiced that simulated depravity of the kind described becomes the thing that tweaks my pleasure centres, I hope I’d start to question where and how I got my thrills.


The difference between simulated death and simulated rape and torture is that one plays on the fear of dying whereas the other revels in the prolonged infliction of cruelty and pain. The first one I can handle- death is at least final- but with rape and torture, I just can’t put away the fact that the true scars on the victin would be worn well beyond the final frame. It's not that torture and rape have no place on film (think Syriana or The Accused) it's more that horror, at least of the exploitation ilk described here, is incapable of doing justice to the whole truth of what it is trying to depict.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at September 23, 2009 3:41 AM

In case y'all haven't figured it out, it's worth noting that obvious troll L. Atwater is actually Guess Who/Pookie.

Trollin', trollin', trollin',
Asshole keeps on trollin',
I wish he would get goin'
Rawhide! Bye-bye!

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits at September 23, 2009 8:57 AM

I highly suggest watching the movie "The River's Edge" before watching this film. The teens in Deadgirl seem to come from that movie.

Posted by: Steve at September 23, 2009 10:35 AM

replica and Squirrelgripper,

I appreciate your posts. They both sum up the feelings I have about this topic really well.

Posted by: MM at September 23, 2009 11:57 AM

No probs MM

I realise this is a long dead thread, but want to add a coda just for the record. I stand by part 2 of my statement, but JustBill's comment made me at least rethink part 1.

I had friends in my teen-young adult days who gravitated towards shocking material- slow-mo/rewind/replay vids of bestiality, real life execution vids (eg the famous footage of the Vietnamese sergeant executed a "Vietcong" soldier), not to mention every horror film under the sun.

It was not because they were sicko's or bad people: the attraction was basically an "OMG WTF?!??!?!" in watching someone cross a line, any line. I never quite got it myself, but I could appreciate that the guys I hung with weren't emotionally deranged mutants. It was more like bungee jumping into pit of depravity that you would never hope to actually get stuck it.

As I have gotten older, education and experience have sensitized me, making it harder to tolerate rape and torture as a mere shock tactic. As I said before, the true horror of these acts last far longer than the acts themselves and this fact has to be respected. They have their place in art, but not simply as a cheap trick by a lazy storyteller.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at September 24, 2009 6:18 AM

I hate RAPE! I can't stand it when people put rape in movies... I usualy have to turn off the T.V or walk out of the theater when a rape scene takes place. Though, because she was dead, I was able to watch it. I was expecting a hero in the movie and it turned out there was none. Seems like J.T did know exactly what his friend wanted... Hate this movie.

Posted by: Hatethismovie at October 3, 2009 3:04 AM

its a shite film.

Posted by: a.person at October 4, 2009 7:49 PM

The thing that disturbed me most about this film was that if those boys had found a live girl chained up, they would have done exactly the same thing. Whilst the zombie aspect of the film added a layer of creepiness, it was a distraction from the real horror.

Posted by: JK at December 13, 2009 4:16 PM

If you can get past your feelings of repulsion -- and you will have those feelings when viewing Deadgirl -- you'll see that the extremity of the situation is critical to the story the filmmakers want to tell. It's a story about how far people will go when they are not accountable to anyone. That's the crux. And if the story were about something that is palatable to everyone (like, oh, say, murder), then the point can't really hit home.

Everyone hopefully *does* have a visceral reaction when seeing the brutality and contempt that most of the boy-men show the zombie woman. Let's face it; modern audiences have become numb to murder, even when the murder is brutal. So, when a filmmaker wants to say something about the depths to which someone can plunge when they believe they won't be held accountable for their actions, murder just doesn't cut it anymore.

When the two teens find the woman at first, I'm fairly certain most viewers would identify with Ricky and want to get help for the woman. (BTW, Rowles' review is clearly biased despite waiting "a full week" after seeing it. Ricky obviously felt more than "a little guilty" about the victim's situation -- he tried to free her fer crissakes.) If not for his presence, then I might be more inclined to think this film was just plain old exploitation, but he is so obviously the voice of reason/morality that it seems, frankly, silly to think this movie is just pure exploitation.

*** SPOILER ALERT ***
The film isn't perfect, but it asks important questions about morality. We think Ricky is the moral compass of the film, but his choice at the end shows that even he feels a certain kind of desperation (not quite the same as JT's) that drives him to make an extreme choice. I'm not sure that it was the path his character would have truly taken, but then it becomes a question of how desperate he felt about Joann. Given his final choice, I think the film should've spent more time on his feelings of isolation and rejection (they basically crammed in a brief dialogue where he expresses, not in so many words, those sentiments to Joann. We knew he had the hots for her, but...).
*** END SPOILER ALERT ***

The degree to which Deadgirl was successful at confronting its central theme is arguable, but I think you're missing out if you just think the film is shock for shock's sake. Accept that the extremity of the situation is necessary to expose the depths to which some of the characters are willing to go, and then you can appreciate this movie for what it is rather than merely rejecting it based on your discomfort with the images you see.

Posted by: Sean at January 17, 2010 3:09 AM

To Sean (above poster)
You're disgustingly jaded if you think this is a reasonable method to depict "a story about how far people will go when they are not accountable to anyone."

It takes Ricky 90 mins of necro-rape to draw the line on the situation! His first method of action was to ignore the problem, every day human atrocities solve themselves, of course. Next he just starts to check in on it, not for the sake of the sex-slave, but because his best friend now prefers his rape fantasy over their friendship. Now the beatings are getting visibly gross, but he thinks he should sit on his thumbs just a bit longer. FINALLY, after the football team has gotten in a go around, Ricky thinks maybe he should act. This isn't "deep," it's just a filmed rape fantasy.

Posted by: katie at February 21, 2010 6:23 PM

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Posted by: Marlys Corak at September 16, 2010 6:19 PM

i just have 2 say that i AGREE with all of it i felt exactly the same way after watching this movie and like ive seen some really messed up shit and hey some how i can take it, but, this movie is insanely brutal its i dont even know how to describe it..... some sadistic rapin movie bout a zombie sex toy i mean not even zombie streaoers is even close to this i mean WTF, was the filmmaker in a bad meth trip or smthn??? srsly WTF?!?!?!?!

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Posted by: online marketing bureau at December 29, 2010 5:32 AM

Yeah this movie was totally disgusting I skipped through huge chunks and will never watch it again, however one thing I noticed that may redeem it a little if I could ever stomach watching it again to check for more of the theme is that the only guy that didn't rape the poor dead girl is also the one that she also didn't chew on when she escaped. Kind of says to me that rape is something even an undead zombie is uncool with, and ends with bad results as it should. Just saying maybe there is a little something more there.

Posted by: Sassy at January 23, 2011 10:58 PM

Yes, I agree with the above poster although I suppose you need to put the matter into context of wht is actually being asked for here

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