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The Dark Knight / Daniel Carlson

Film Reviews | August 28, 2008 | Comments (215)


If Frank Miller reinvigorated the seriousness of the comic book character with 1986’s The Dark Knight Returns, then Christopher Nolan gave him new life on screen by erasing the memory of Joel Schumacher’s abysmal films and rebooting the entire storyline from scratch three years ago with the bleak, daring, and completely engaging Batman Begins. Tim Burton’s Batman and follow-up Batman Returns were themselves overrated, overheated, and almost suffocatingly stylized, but their biggest sin was that they played up the absurdity of the character without making him believable. Burton once said, “Anyone who knows me knows I would never read a comic book,” and that air of mild condescension came across on screen. But Nolan clearly respects not only the possibilities in the source material but also the very real pain that would drive a man like Bruce Wayne to the edge. Yes, it’s patently absurd that a young man attempting to deal with the death of his parents would channel that rage into karate classes and building a rubber suit shaped like a bat, but Nolan grounds that action in a world that’s palpably real. As a director, Nolan takes the story seriously, and that makes all the difference, transforming his films from good to great. They’re the best superhero movies ever made because they embrace the character on a gut level and not as some pop artifact. The Dark Knight is a harrowing, frightening, uncompromising, flat-out great superhero movie, wonderful in sad ways, hitting the perfect mix of characterization and humor, bouncing between phenomenal action set pieces and the brutally human moments that place the film in a recognizable world even as it soars into comic book fantasy. Put simply, Nolan just gets it. He’s a believer, and he’ll make one out of you, too.

The film opens with a spectacular heist sequence in which Nolan lays the groundwork for what will turn out to be a sprawling, stronger tale than the first film. A group of men in clown masks descend on one of Gotham City’s mob-controlled banks, each criminal discussing with the others the rumors about their unseen employer, the Joker, before turning on each other once their given task is done. It’s swiftly executed, none of the shots lasting more than a few seconds; cinematographer Wally Pfister, working with Nolan for the fifth time, never keeps his camera still for long, preferring slow pushes in or around instead of a static shot. The result is a subtle but constant tension, waiting for something (probably something bad) to happen, or waiting for the hero to show. When the heist team is down to its last man, the villain strips off his mask to reveal stringy, greenish hair, a face smeared with pancake make-up, and streaks of garish black around the eyes and red across a mouth that features scars extending outward to hellishly extend the smile. The Joker (Heath Ledger) is a thing of beautiful terror, a psycho willing to slaughter civilians and bomb banks and stuff grenades into the mouths of those who cross him. He does this not because he’s paid to, or even because he can; he just does it, and Ledger imbues the Joker with such casual menace and believable strength that he instantly owns the character forever. This isn’t a cartoonish fop or a giddy prankster; this is someone truly beyond repair. In six short minutes, Nolan has upped the stakes from his earlier installment by introducing a villain whose existence questions the very nature of what it means to fight, and why.

Things aren’t going much better for Batman/Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale), either. Enough time has passed since the events of the first film for Batman to have become a menace to criminals, a target for police, and a dangerous icon for the brain-dead amateur vigilantes rushing to follow him into battle. Batman’s first appearance involves not just putting down a few hoods but also saving the lives of wannabe Caped Crusaders, wearing catcher’s padding and hockey pants and homemade cowls, running around and trying to fight evil. One of the faux Batmen protests that he’s just trying to help, and demands to know what gives Batman the right to be the one and only hero on the streets of Gotham. Batman gives a pithy answer before entering the Batmobile and driving off, even though a real response — money, training, the whole bulletproof-suit thing — would have sufficed. But he’s ultimately not willing to engage the issue, and it’s a question Nolan uses as a basis for the entire film: What gives this guy the right? What makes him different? More important, what happens when a hero appears; does it send villains packing, or does it just draw forth a greater evil? Batman is the city’s great protector, its dark knight, but the love he feels for the city comes at a high price.

For now, Batman is running his operation out of a makeshift hideout underneath an empty lot owned by Wayne Enterprises, since Wayne Manor was destroyed in a fire. The first part of the lengthy, complex script deals with Bruce’s attempts to investigate a Chinese businessman that Batman is pursuing from the other side, eventually tying the man to most of the organized crime in Gotham. The only trustworthy cop is still Lt. Jim Gordon (Gary Oldman), who wants to do good but is willing to work with dirty police to do it. “I don’t get political points for being an idealist,” Gordon says. “I have to make do with what I have.” Everyone in Nolan’s Gotham is compromised, even if they’re upright. But Gordon and Batman begin to see light at the end of the tunnel with the arrival of Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart), the new district attorney and the first man in the office to really stand up to the criminal kingpins ruling Gotham. Harvey, meanwhile, is dating Rachel Dawes (Maggie Gyllenhaal), the object of Bruce’s affection who told him they could never be together until he gave up being a superhero. Nolan does a great job showing Bruce work through the conflict of how to handle Harvey, juggling his feelings for Rachel and his desire to finally give Gotham back to the few good people left in town. But all along, Nolan keeps planting the seeds of destruction in the lives of the central characters, showing them not as blameless do-gooders but as people who daily deal with the choice of whether to do right or wrong, and where the line between the two even lies, and whether human weakness can ever be countered. As Harvey says, “You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain.”

But the bulk of the film deals with the ascendance of the Joker as he lays siege to Gotham’s criminal and civil underpinnings, offering his services to the mob and then slowly accruing power while stacking the bodies ever higher. The Joker quickly sees that Batman is more than his nemesis; each man is the other’s bitter reason for living. “This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object,” the Joker says to him. “We’re destined to do this forever.” He doesn’t want to kill Batman, he wants to push him so hard he breaks his one unbreakable rule — thou shalt not kill. These outcasts are fighting a battle of ideologies, and Batman goes down some dark roads in his attempts to live up to the better angels of his already bruised nature. The script from Nolan and brother Jonathan (The Prestige, and the short story that inspired Memento), with a story credit from Batman Begins’ David S. Goyer, never flinches from asking the tough questions of its heroes; hell, it practically lives there. But it doesn’t suffer under the weight of that darkness, either, often turning to Alfred the butler (Michael Caine) for comic relief to distract from the ongoing chaos in the streets.

Batman and the Joker wage war across the city, and Nolan engineers some breathtaking action sequences that never feel less than real. A whole slew of artists worked on the CG effects, as well as legions of stuntmen to aide in everything from an 18-wheeler flipping through the air to a ridiculous amount of explosions, fires, and collateral damage. But Nolan’s skill is such that these scenes never call undue attention to their artifice, and in fact are so energetic and jaw-dropping that they become a seamless part of an already broad and all-encompassing story. I guess what I’m trying so poorly to say is that the action in the film is consistently amazing but always serves the bigger picture. Everything’s dazzling, but nothing is extraneous.

And that includes the performances. Gyllenhaal is, predictably, a vast improvement over Katie Holmes, who played Rachel in the first film. While Holmes could do little more than alternate between pouting, squinting, and smiling that crooked little smile, Gyllenhaal is at once stronger and more relatable. Her Rachel is willing to stand up and fight even if it means losing people she cares for, and that kind of nuance is vital to an action film this questioning and reflective. Eckhart, too, executes a spot-on slow burn as Harvey Dent, driven to the edge by the Joker. And of course Bale is still the ideal Bruce Wayne, able to put on airs as the suave but ignorant playboy, take charge as the international businessman, and transform into a physical manifestation of his own unchangeable rage as Batman, a hero so dark and terrible that he’s often no less than a moral villain. He’s likable, empathetic, and still believable under a rubber cowl, which is no small feat. But it’s Ledger who steals the film, and deserves every minute of it. His performance is riddled with tics, these little grace notes that subconsciously communicate the Joker’s personality without ever making it obvious: He walks with a forced shuffle, and whenever he talks his tongue occasionally darts out to lick the lips he keeps smacking every few seconds. He loses himself in the make-up and mayhem to become an animal, a scorching villain that transforms everything about the world Nolan has created and makes the defeats that much darker and the moments of spiritual triumph that much sweeter. As Ledger’s last performance on film, it’s destined to be remembered as his James Dean song, a howling tornado of energy that tears across the screen, reshaping everything in its path. He’s perfect.

“The approach we have is to take the tropes and iconography of the action-hero genre and ground it in a reality,” Nolan said. “Real life is more tactile, more threatening, more emotional.” He’s not wrong. By crafting another superb movie that’s as believable as it is entertaining, he elevates the entire film and achieves that most unattainable of goals: A believable superhero movie. Even the nameless citizens aren’t caricatures but actual characters, and that makes their pain that much sharper and their decisions to do right that much truer. The Dark Knight is all about what it means to fight a losing battle knowing the outcome in advance, and why. For Bruce Wayne and Christopher Nolan, the answer’s simple: Because you believe in it.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Comments

Finally!

Posted by: ashleymarigold at July 18, 2008 6:44 PM

This was a really solid review for a really solid movie. Ledger's Joker was the first villain I've ever been terrified of and I wish to heap nothing but praise on Ledger and Nolan for finally turning the villain into something so much more than a campy guy in a weird looking suit. The Joker is a monster and Ledger makes you believe and fear it.

Posted by: 12minds at July 18, 2008 6:46 PM

dammmnnnn!!!

Posted by: chaz at July 18, 2008 6:47 PM

Nice. I can't wait to see this. Bale is even more smoking hot than RDJ.

Posted by: grinder at July 18, 2008 6:50 PM

Great review....AMAZING film. Saw a midnight showing last night and going to a IMAX showing in about an hour.

Posted by: Luke at July 18, 2008 6:50 PM

Aw, shit. Wish I could see this sooner, then.

As a sidenote, I really liked your use of "the better angels of his...nature". It's a phrase that could use more love.

Posted by: Just Joe at July 18, 2008 6:52 PM

I guess I just don't understand the Batman films. This one was certainly pretty good, but I found all the non-Joker parts to be a little saggy. And the whole cell phone sonar thing was hokey and unnecessary. Still, though - solid popcorn flick that approached greatness overall but didn't quite get there. It was hard not to watch Heath Ledger on screen, be wowed here, mentally compare it to the complete-opposite Ennis Del Mar and realize what a great actor we lost.

Posted by: whatBENwatches at July 18, 2008 6:56 PM

Woo-hoo! And even though I have been looking forward to seeing this film for months, I will wait until Sunday so that I don't have to fight hoardes of Bat-a-loonies for stadium seating and greasy movie theater popcorn.

On a side note: yesterday a friend and I were discussing seeing the movie and she stated that she and a few others had been talking about dressing up. Was I wrong to warn her that if I saw her in anything even approaching costumage I would happily commit assault and battery upon her person?

Another side note: BAAAAALE!

Posted by: shiningstar at July 18, 2008 6:57 PM

Katie Holmes was so bad in Batman Begins. Like distractingly bad. Like spoon-death bad. She just grins her little grimace and plays cute and coy in everything I've seen her in. I'm very glad that Maggie Gyllen-gorgeous took over.

Posted by: JJ McClay at July 18, 2008 6:58 PM

Is anyone else imagining a crazy, sweaty foursome with Heath, Maggie and Christian?

Posted by: Zoe at July 18, 2008 6:59 PM

Dan, awesome review. I'm seeing The Dark Knight tonight with the boyfriend, who I think may be The One(*fingers crossed*), because he threatened to feed my cat to ravenous hobos if I do anything to stop him from seeing it, like running out of gas or dying.

I'm also under orders to postpone any zombie/environmental apocalypses until after the weekend. So, TK, if you could use the deadbolt on the basement door this time and everyone else try public transportation for a few days, that'd be great.

Posted by: jM at July 18, 2008 7:09 PM

I simply could not start reading the comments after I finished Daniel's review that I wanted to go on forever.

I think Dan the Man has given such an excellent overall view of what to expect from the movie - no spoilers that I saw- that I feel all revved up for lack of a better term at this time just reading this excellent review, which was certainly worth the wait.

While I'm here, I want everyone to remember not just Heath's performance, but Michael Caine as the best Alfred ever translated to the screen (with all apologies to Michael Gough). I haven't seen this movie yet, but the Alfred character was one of my favorites in 'Batman Begins', and I hope he gets at least as much screen time on this one.

And I can finally admit to the PajibaWorld that I've collected Batman comics, exclusively, since I was 6 years old, which would make it- ohhh, more or less- definitely over 30 years & counting

sorry to ramble, y'all know I'm bad at that, going to read the other comments now

Posted by: TMax at July 18, 2008 7:24 PM

OK, so I can't read this review yet because I haven't seen the movie, but I'm still so excited I had to post: YAY for BATMAN!!! And, I'm sure the review is awesome, too.

Posted by: LB at July 18, 2008 7:33 PM

All this and my sweet home Chicago in all its glory. I can't wait to see this film!!!!

Posted by: Lori at July 18, 2008 7:35 PM

LB,
Daniel's review is just informative enough as to not give away anything you probably already know, and he's only giving just enough info to satisfy all of the bloodthirsty Pajibans howling for details.
Go ahead & read it, you'll only enjoy the movie more.

Posted by: TMax at July 18, 2008 7:41 PM

Damn international releasing schedules. A whole week! Awesome review Dan, as always.

Posted by: Gumble at July 18, 2008 7:48 PM

I don't comment often, but I just have to for this review. Great work, Dan. I think it's some of the best writing I've read from you, ever. Kudos.

I was giddy as a little boy waiting to go see this movie today. I had to go to an early morning show (no way I was going to a midnight showing and, as a freelancer, again, I have a pretty flexible schedule, so 11:30 a.m. movie shows work just fine, thank you). I couldn't believe how quickly the two and a half hours went by!

Heath Ledger: what can one say but I wish we could get more work from him. Life is unfair that way. Maggie Gyllenhall: so much better than Katie Holmes! From the first moment she comes on screen she just exhudes strength and confidence where Katie Holmes was hard to buy as a hard working A.D.A. driven by her ideals.

My one complaint? Like whatBENwatches I found the whole cell phone thing a bit preposterous, but it did raise a question that no other superhero movie has ever raised (and an obvious one for, say, Superman to come up agains), that of the fine line between great power and fascism and the drive by those in power to sacrifice freedom for the sake of security. All in a movie about a guy who dresses up like a bat fighting a guy who dresses like a clown. Wow!

Posted by: Armando at July 18, 2008 7:50 PM

At the same time, I'd like to point out that Katie Holme's performance in the first film wasn't really anything near "bad," as one might describe, since she was merely a utility character that said the right lines in the right way that the director wanted.

I think Maggie will be just fine here, and I really hope this movie lives up to all of our Pajibexpectations! Ha ha, me make funny!

Okay, so now I'm really gone for the night

Posted by: TMax at July 18, 2008 7:51 PM

I love you Daniel...marry me. You write such beautiful, beautiful words.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakron at July 18, 2008 7:55 PM

saw it. liked it. very intense and dark. couldn't help but feel a little depressed afterwards--a combination of the movie story and the heath factor...almost heartbreaking.
i think i'll need to see it again to truly be able to take it all in--a lot going on!
my only problem was that more than once the music/score was so loud that you couldn't hear what the actors were saying--particularly at the end with jim gordon/gary oldman.
i also have to confirm all the praise for heath...i was almost expecting it to be blown out of proportion, but he really is that good and i could see how he let this character get under his skin--as i said: very intense and very dark. excellent film, one that will grow in its brilliance as i'm able to fully digest it.

Posted by: maxpurr9 at July 18, 2008 8:00 PM

Saw it a few nights back, haven't stopped raving about it since. Loved the James Dean reference Dan, spot on. I quietly choked at a couple of points in the movie when I remembered we would never see a reprise of the most perfect Joker ever committed to screen. The entire hospital sequence, the magically disappearing pencil...ahhh equal parts comic relief and psychotic meltdown.

A couple of reviewers have put in a vote for a posthumous Oscar- forget it, the academy's memory isn't that long and besides "its a comic book film" (and besides, it's the Oscars I guess) Instead, perhaps the ultimate mark of respect would be to bury the cinematic role alongside its actor, because it will never be done better.

Posted by: Dave Shepherd at July 18, 2008 8:04 PM

Zoe - I would kick Bale out of that four-way and ask Maggie to bring her hottie husband instead. Mmm.

Also, Katie Holmes in the last Batman served the same function as Gwyneth P. in Iron Man - Stock Female Character Placeholder In Comic-book Film. You'll find it's an honorable Hollywood tradition. You don't do much, look pretty and scream. And run a lot while wearing incredibly impractical shoes.

Posted by: Anne (in Reno) at July 18, 2008 8:13 PM

Awesome review!

Me and hubby are going to see this tomorrow night at an IMAX theatre here in Vegas. It's the first night it's not sold out...yikes!

RIP Heath. From what I just read you deserve a posthumous OSCAR...

Posted by: Les~ at July 18, 2008 8:16 PM

Y'know what, Mr. Carlson? Between Mr. Boynton's earlier Boozehound and your review (which was, in my opinion, one of your finest), I've gotta say that I'm pleased as a motherfucking peach to have stumbled across this site. Honestly. No snark involved. This joint has got a team of some of the best goddamed reviewers around, hands down. It's nice to read a review where the contributer isn't throwing around a shitload of "I'm a critic" jargon and whatchamafuckit (?) that leaves you asking at the end - "Yeah, but did you dig it?" (i.e. the Onion AV Club). Yeah, the topic at hand flies wildly of base at times (actually, quite often), but bottom line is - I dig the 'Jiba because of great reviews, excellent writing all around, and the fucking looniest peanut gallery this side of the Hoboken County Fair...

Beautifully written.

As far as the movie? Meh... I'll wait for DVD. Minimus got tickets for Mama Mia, and given his love of musicals, I think we'll be seeing it many times over the rest of the summer...

[...okay, that was a joke...]

Posted by: Skitz at July 18, 2008 8:18 PM

I didn't think any review would make me want to see this more than I already do, but, I have been proven wrong.

Thank you.

Posted by: Wednesday at July 18, 2008 8:25 PM

this movie slapped me in the face, punched me in the gut and kicked my ass - and i just want more.

next up: IMAX.

Posted by: kristin at July 18, 2008 8:35 PM

Hey you lucky ones, I've convinced ladyhelmet to see this (granted it wasn't that hard) but here's the question: hold out for an IMAX showing or live with a conventional screen?

Posted by: lordhelmet at July 18, 2008 8:46 PM

Thank you for a great review Dan - I was looking forward to it all day! I'm so excited for this film.

Posted by: b at July 18, 2008 9:04 PM

Wow, never in my life have I've seen a film that was soo dark and haunting it scared the shit out of me of how realistic "The Dark Knight's world is. Will see again... There's just so much shit to take in, especially the end needed sum subtitles yo~!

Posted by: Andy at July 18, 2008 9:21 PM

The film is relentless, there are some light moments; like Wayne buying up the entire Moscow opera, to one tick off Rachel, and provide cover for an operation. But the opening is like Heat, crossed with parts of the Untouchables (this being a Chicago film. Heath's demonic
characterization of the Joker, is so dark,
that it probably did contribute to his death to plumb such depths of utter depravity. The story
somewhat collapses as his exclamationsof insanity,
run across his methodical, relentless plan of attack. His goal is to tear Gotham apart, into a real Hobbesian storm of mob rules and paranoia. He mines everything from the tradition Colombian
kingpin 'plastique or plata' to a police firing squad out of the Sadat assasination, to an assault upon a police convoy, more brutal than SWAT on steroids. Ras Ghul is a kindly old taskmaster compared to the joker, who devastates
everything and everyone in his path. Including
everyone in Bruce Wayne's social circle. The Joker is something like a serial killer or a grand guignol spree; or a plague of zombies.

Posted by: takeshi Kovacs at July 18, 2008 9:38 PM

hold out for an IMAX showing or live with a conventional screen?

In these cases I generally do both, but back off the IMAX for a few days since, at the Mall of Georgia anyway, those high backed seats don't let you lean your head back, which makes having to sit near the bottom almost a waste of money. That's in a stadium seating theater, mind you. I saw "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" at the Oregon planetarium and the dizzying distortion *almost* worked with the movie but sure wouldn't anywhere else.

So yeah, odds are there's only one IMAX screen in your area, do yourself a favor and let it wait (or get there an hour early).

Enjoy it all!

Posted by: Jay at July 18, 2008 9:55 PM

I agree on every point except the Tim Burton hate. Am I the only one who adored Batman Returns? I liked it more than Batman Begins. (though that may have been because of Katie Holmes, or whoever played Batman's lust. God, I hated her)

Posted by: Mila at July 18, 2008 9:55 PM

My god this movie was good. Ledger was oscar-worthy. Your review lives up to the film dan, great job. Love the Evening with Kevin Smith reference.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at July 18, 2008 9:56 PM

Writing as an amorphous blob, I must admit that this movie rocked not only my face, but my entire body off.

Posted by: marty at July 18, 2008 10:11 PM

*somewhat of a spoiler*

Hey everyone! I just learned a cool magic trick. I'll need a pencil and a volunteer!

Posted by: Matt 2.0 at July 18, 2008 10:37 PM

Great review, Dan. I've never been geeked up on the Batman franchise, but I have to see this one; if nothing else for Ledger's & Bale's performances. I'm also dying to see Harvey Dent's evolution into Two-Face.

Lori, I couldn't agree more. One of the best things about the first one (Batman Begins, that is) was the downtown scenery. I'm a Chicagoan; I can't help it.

Posted by: Brie at July 18, 2008 10:45 PM

I am going to Chinook Centre on Sunday. I will stab a nerdy fanboy if it means I get into the IMAX showing.

I will eat more popcorn than is healthy, and I will use real butter on it. I will order a diet coke to go along with this purchase.


"And I would especially never read anything written by Kevin Smith". Oh, Bumble Ward.

Posted by: Mara at July 18, 2008 10:57 PM

ZOE:

Yes.

I'm seeing this tomorrow after work. I don't get off until 9:30- I don't care. I'll go alone, just like I went alone to see Hellboy II. I don't anyone to entertain me, I just want to watch the movie.

But it's always fun to have a snarky whisper-partner... Anyone going to be in the Freeport/Rockford area tomorrow night?

Posted by: Jaci at July 18, 2008 10:59 PM

As someone who has worked as an ER nurse and has come off shift, staggering away from the hospital, all I can say is THAT WAS MY FAVORITE SCENE IN ALL OF MOVIE-DOM! I want a remote like that! And where did I put that make-up???

Posted by: Debbie at July 18, 2008 11:01 PM

i've been reading Pajiba for months and i'm breaking my comment cherry for this review (although the Reign of Fire/Deep Blue Sea threads almost got it). I just came back from this film, this review is spot on, especially this "The result is a subtle but constant tension, waiting for something (probably something bad) to happen". I held my breath everytime Heath was on screen, it was deliciously awful, a few scenes had me watching through my fingers. I didn't care for Katie and wasn't too impressed with Maggie but everyone else WORKED IT! If Heath is nominated, at least we can only pray there's no Crash like fuckery to happen this time around

Posted by: Hot Sauce Watch at July 18, 2008 11:13 PM

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, I'm just giddy about this movie! First thing I did when I got out of the theater tonight was text my friend and call my sister to spread the word that it lived up to the hype. I found Batman Begins a little tedious, but this one is truly the perfect superhero movie. Heath Ledger - wow. Just wow. The perfect villian. Maggie G. was the perfect leading lady, the sidekicks were perfect, and Batman himself - pretty damn perfect. Wow.

Posted by: Kristin at July 18, 2008 11:17 PM

Brilliant review. For anyone else who saw it, did anyone find the last scene between Rachel and Harvey just heartbreaking?

Posted by: Ashley at July 18, 2008 11:18 PM

maybe it's because I saw this with my kids but I thought the movie kinda sucked.

It's got a lot of good action scenes and Ledger is phenomenal, but after the first hour the movie becomes way too serious, way too wrapped up in its own importance. It actually became preachy and I found myself wishing that the Joker was a little more campy, a little less chaotic. Yes, it was unnerving to watch this maniacal beast waging a war of terror on the citizens of Gotham, but it is just a movie based on a cartoon character. I don't need a comic book to preach about good and evil. I want Batman to kick ass like no one else can.

I was disappointed. Really a lack of story. Freeman and Caine are wasted, as is Maggie (the only female character really in the entire movie). A lot of smoke and mirrors. Bummer.

Posted by: duane at July 18, 2008 11:23 PM

This is how you juggle multiple villains, Spider-man 3. You just got served.

Posted by: kelsy at July 18, 2008 11:41 PM

Loved it loved it loved it...and seeing it again on Monday with some friends who missed tonight's outing. Fantastic performances all around, but damn if Ledger didn't offer the most riveting comic-book-movie villain ever.

Posted by: Roads at July 18, 2008 11:56 PM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Maggie Gyllenhaal is NOT attractive in this film. At All. It seriously looked like someone simultaneously beat her with an ugly stick while she fell off the ugly tree and hit all the branches on the way down.

And while she is a good actress, I think some devotion towards her is misguided. She was as wooden as a Native American Cigar Store advertisement in Dark Knight. If Suck>suck, then suck still ='s suck.

The movie rocked though. All I didn't like was some of the editing and the fact that it looked as if the mayor spends his free time getting fashion advice from Pete Wentz.

Posted by: Some Guy at July 19, 2008 12:03 AM

I've been waiting all day for this review.

I'm glad that the Pajiba-nation agrees that this movie exceeds everyone's expectations. Nolan and crew somehow made something as silly as a superhero film into an actual drama. Not a forced drama, where the subtext and emotional depth were literally forced into the doleful eyes of Tobey Maguire. But drama that builds gradually and so subtly that you can't even tell what is happening until it's too late. I appreciated the length because it gave me time to understand the characters. It was a journey rather than an escape. This is the first superhero movie I've seen (first summer blockbuster I've seen), where I felt like I needed a second viewing not for the special effects, but to pay more attention to character development.

Excellent review. Nolan made me believe.

Posted by: mc at July 19, 2008 12:04 AM

Great stuff Dan. God has certainly blessed you with talent.

Posted by: Samuel Bagby at July 19, 2008 12:27 AM

I know everyone is out enjoying Batmania, and since it's Friday night and some people are out looking for dates and things of that nature I'll be brief. I just have a friendly reminder, listen ladies if you sign up as a member of a dating site and you state that you are looking for a man. Don't get mad if a man send you some tastefully done erotic portraits of himself. A lot of you ladies get all mad and want to get the guy kicked off the site. You shouldn't go to the extreme, he's just looking for a nice lady like you that enjoys discreet pleasures.

Posted by: Pookie at July 19, 2008 12:52 AM

The reason why I wrote my last comment is because I met this lady tonight on a blind date, I'm sitting at the bar and she walks up to me and we start talking. She goes on and on about her friends telling her she looks like Julia Roberts, so she puts me on the spot and ask me does she look like Julia Roberts? and I say I don't remember Julia Roberts having a mustache. She gets all upset and storms out of the place, and left me by myself. WTF! I'm giving it to a bitch raw, it's 2008.

Posted by: Pookie at July 19, 2008 1:08 AM

Fucking unbelievable...Way too good. Just saw it on an IMAX tonight (awesome) and I'm gonna have to see it at least one more time in theaters. Ledger was out-of-control good. By far the best performance I've ever seen in a comic-book film (which this really is in name only) and definitely up there overall. He straight up owns it.

Eckhart was really fantastic, too. A few lines (The "die a hero or..." in particular) seemed a bit off on the delivery, but he was SO good in that second half of the film.

Posted by: Joe at July 19, 2008 1:11 AM

dan, i'm delurking from over 3 years for patronship to commend your review and writing. i'm a HUGE pajiba reader and have turned on many a friend to your reviews over the years. amazing review, for a movie that i have yet to see, but every walk down 2nd ave seeing giant heath billboard above Cosmo's Diner, has me jonesing to see this movie like a freezing cold bottle of vodka after a week at my bullshit job. (And my lord if it doesn't break my goddamn heart when my iPod shuffles to Letters to Cleo's "Cruel to Be Kind"). i hate superhero bullshit but if my girl Maggie (top 5 of ALL TIME actresses), Christian, Morgan, Michael and Heath as the Joker...just give me a cigarette. I've come."

Posted by: supermeg at July 19, 2008 1:21 AM

The reason why I wrote my last comment is because I met this lady tonight on a blind date, I'm sitting at the bar and she walks up to me and we start talking. She goes on and on about her friends telling her she looks like Julia Roberts, so she puts me on the spot and ask me does she look like Julia Roberts? and I say I don't remember Julia Roberts having a mustache. She gets all upset and storms out of the place, and left me by myself. WTF! I'm giving it to a bitch raw, it's 2008.

Pookie. Real Talk. REAL TALK.
it is 2008.
Also, I hope that really happened.
Cause it's funny.

As for the review:
dark knight dark knight dark knight dark knight

I loved this movie. Plus, I'm here to give the Aaron Eckhard love.
Cause he was pretty tremendous. And attractive. And really just good. He brought Harvey Dent to screen. I Believe in Harvey Dent.

Everything about Ledger was true, I always like Christian Bale, and MICHAEL CAINE is pretty much the reason that I've seen Miss. Congeniality more than one time, because he's always tops.
Oh and Muppet Christmas Carol.
He killed it in that.

This movie was a smidge long, and probably the most tense 2 and a half hours of my life...
...this week.
But I'm going to see it on IMAX, I think.

Posted by: Rica at July 19, 2008 1:30 AM

The Dark Knight stands tall in the face of evil, but can he stand the horror of Dr. Horrible?

Posted by: Lucas at July 19, 2008 1:39 AM

nipped out on an absolute whim after class to see if I could finagle a seat, got a ticket for a showing an hour and a half later than when I arrived, got a beautiful seat and just about died of geek-gasam induced dehydration and and subsequent cardiac-arrest.

I don't think I can add much of anything that the review didn't beautifully cover already, but just out of curiosity; was anyone else really gratified that they actually got Cillian Murphy to reprise his role as Scarecrow for that little cameo? I just feel like it says something about the quality(if the picture, the director, the actor) when they could have just left his mask on and fudged it, which is actually what I expected to happen when he first climbed out of the van.

Just one of many superb touches that made it so great. Five or nine more viewings at least are a must. Damn I miss having a boyfriend who rips tickets.

Posted by: darwinfox at July 19, 2008 1:57 AM

Damn. Just...damn. (And yes, those are good "damns.")

darwinfox - I, too, loved that Cillian Murphy was brought back as Scarecrow, even for just a brief time.

Some Guy - To be fair to Nestor Carbonell, his eyes naturally look like he's wearing black eyeliner. I think he just has really thick, dark lashes. Or else he's had some permanent makeup applied.

Posted by: Whitney at July 19, 2008 2:18 AM

Just got back from seeing it. I also am a bit down because I'm thinking of Heath Ledger. What a performance, definitely not overhyped. His ownership of the role reminded me of Javier Bardem in "No Country for Old Men" - a performance so unpredictable that it really is terrifying, without straying into camp. At least, not enough to take away the scariness of the performance. I can't help but think of Ledger in "Brokeback," which I count up there with Emily Watson in "Breaking the Waves." He was so good...

Posted by: booboo at July 19, 2008 2:26 AM

Just came back from seeing it. My brain hurts. I am so incredibly overwhelmed. I was literally twitching in my seat for most of the film.

The Joker is insane. Like, literally out of his mind and incredibly unpredictable. I will see this movie at least 2 more times with separate groups of people. :)

Posted by: NotBlonde at July 19, 2008 3:00 AM

This was a well done essay on a great movie. I say essay because this is not a review. I understand that you cant give insight on certain issues without bringing up the plot but if your target audience is people who havent seen the movie then you are giving way too much plot detail (specifically killer joker lines). If your audience is for people who have seen the movie and this is just something to stir debate then my apologies.

Posted by: Brendan at July 19, 2008 3:26 AM

I've never been so happy as I was when I stepped out of the theater not half an hour ago.

Posted by: Victor at July 19, 2008 3:30 AM

Won't see this 'til Monday (IMAX! WOOO!), but hot damn Daniel, you sure can write. I am consistently impressed by your contributions to Pajiba and I hope you stick around for a good long time.

Posted by: Another Jen at July 19, 2008 3:53 AM

Great movie. So Memento back to Nolan's psych thriller forte but I also think its pity that gets many so carried away for Ledger. Bale looks ok and a bit Bateman on this one. He was hotter in BB and sorry to say I find Downey Jr.more well rounded and fascinating than actor Bale.
Maggie is not all that except her character and the lovey dovey lameness is more fleshed out.
Katie is hot and also a great actress but she got a doggy bone script and had little scenes with Bale.

Posted by: Ethel at July 19, 2008 3:53 AM

The movie should have been called Joker begins not Dark Knight. I concur Michael Caine,Freeman and Oldman were wasted(serves their paychecks I bet). Shame about Katie Holmes not part of this sequel.

Posted by: narnian at July 19, 2008 4:05 AM

Its one good film and thanks for the review. The only thing Marvel can topped this is their Avengers movie. With Robert Downey Jr., Ed Norton and Capt.America rumored actors being courted Brad Pitt or Leo DiCaprio. Of all Batmen its still a tie between Kilmer and Bale for me.
With a bulk of male and female viewers wondering what Bruce Wayne is doing with Mags is proof she's an unpleasant distraction. At least I can stomach Katie Holmes.
Batman deserves better than this:
http://www.celebritysmackblog.com/2008/07/10/i-think-we-found-the-next-joker/

This is the ideal Rachel Dawes:
http://www.coutureinthecity.com/2008/04/02/katie-holmes-a-new-style-icon/

Posted by: Yale at July 19, 2008 4:39 AM

*looks at comments*

Wow, someone actually regrets that Katie was not in this movie? Shocking!

Posted by: AD at July 19, 2008 4:53 AM

I'm glad I saw this before it opened in Perth (Ledger's home town), the cinemas have been packed to the rafters. And I'm happy that for once a movie opened in Australia before it did in America, that we didn't have to wait forever.

People, beware of the fanboys (and girls). When I remarked that I thought the movie was a smidge too long, I thought I was going to get stabbed. Very angry people, very angry sexually frustrated nerds.


But, this is favourite Batman cast, favourite comic book movie, and I'm going to see it again soon.

Posted by: Chantelle at July 19, 2008 4:57 AM

I am taking my little brother to see this in IMAX on Monday. I expect TOTAL WORSHIP for the rest of our lives for this act, because DAMN this review confirmed all of my hopes and dreams.

Posted by: Smithy at July 19, 2008 5:01 AM

Oh my FUCKING God.

Posted by: the_wakeful at July 19, 2008 5:47 AM

Yale...

"Of all Batmen its still a tie between Kilmer and Bale for me."

That's so full of crazy, it's almost charming. Kilmer! Ha! Good one.

Regarding the Maggie/Katie "debate." Can we just ignore the looks for a sec and remember that Holmes can't, you know, FUCKING ACT?

Posted by: I Love Beets at July 19, 2008 8:17 AM

Wow, someone actually regrets that Katie was not in this movie? Shocking!

No, just a spam campaign that's been going on for months.

Posted by: Jay at July 19, 2008 8:18 AM

Loved it loved it loved it LOVED it.

This is definitely one of those movies you can watch over and over again, not only just to grin with sadistic glee at every mumbling madness that pours out of the Joker's mouth, but also because the story is so rich and textured.

Something that disappoints me, however, is that with all the love being sent Heath Ledger's way (and he does deserve the praise, yeah) Aaron Eckhart isn't getting much props. And he was FANTASTIC. I can honestly say that Harvey Dent, and his build up (or down) into Two-Face, was the part of the movie I was looking forward to the most. And it was balls-out fantastic. There's something about becoming so beaten down, so broken over trying to do the right thing and constantly losing, that when they abandon all morality to the flip of a coin it makes it particularly chilling.

I like my psychos to have a reason for their descent. I'm a sucker for a tale of tragedy and madness.

Joker gives the madness, but Two-Face gives both.

Posted by: spideychris at July 19, 2008 9:26 AM

Nice going Tom, you've effectively fucked your old lady out of what will no doubt be one of the most entertaining and highest grossing films of all time. Oh wait a minute, she does have Scientology.

Posted by: Pookie at July 19, 2008 10:54 AM

"That's so full of crazy, it's almost charming."

-- I Love Beets

I'm stealing that line.

Anyway...

Someone above defended Holmes's Dawes as serviceable by drawing a parallel between the function of Rachel in Batman and Pepper in Iron Man. While the roles do share that "girlfriend" function, the similarities end at performance: Holmes didn't act; she recited dialogue and made faces.

While Pepper wasn't the apotheosis of Paltrow's CV, credit must be given for her conscious decision to build a character and eschew phoning in her performance; as written, she certainly could have put less into the role and escaped criticism for it, but Paltrow obviously relished the opportunity to flesh out her archetype, and succeeded.

As for The Dark Knight, unfortunate scheduling conflicts prevent me from seeing it until tomorrow afternoon. I expect nothing less than a transcendent roll in the cinematic hay, and the reviews here and elsewhere have done nothing to diminish that expectation.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at July 19, 2008 11:32 AM

So, uh.

Was I the only one who found the Joker to be incredibly fucking sexy?

Does that make me a bad person?

Posted by: lise at July 19, 2008 11:47 AM

Just to echo some of the comments, I too believed that while Maggie G. was an upgrade over Katie Holmes, Maggie still had the weakest performance in the movie. Thankfully Nolan did not ever focus on her.

Of course, she was acting alongside Christian Bale, Gary Oldman, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Aaron Eckhart, and oh yeah Heath The Fucking Joker Ledger.

Be it enacted that no actor can ever play The Joker again. That's Heath's role damnit.

Posted by: Brett at July 19, 2008 11:57 AM

Saw it last night. I'm still hyped up over how fantastic it was; can't wait for the next installment.

********************SPOILERS**********************

Who were the 5 people Harvey Dent killed that Batman took the fall for? The guy in the bar; Eric Roberts' character and his driver; and...? Also, was that the Chinese guy Lao(sp?) who was tied up on the stacks of money that the Joker burned? The movie was so fast-paced that I lost a couple plot points.

********************END SPOILERS******************

Posted by: Nika at July 19, 2008 12:13 PM

Lise --

It probably doesn't make you a bad person, but it might make you sorta twisted and sick. But no, you're not alone. I wanted to dry hump the Joker's leg through pretty much the whole movie. To the point that my roommate actually got annoyed and told me to stop squirming in my seat.

Posted by: Lauren at July 19, 2008 12:18 PM

O'Connor I agree with all of your assessments as it relates to the female love interests. I believe that Gyllenhaal posses the chops to take Dawes to new and exciting heights, whereas Holmes didn't even have the ability to mail it in. As far as Paltrow is concerned she can usually give a lights out performance when she gives a damn. I purposely avoided going to see Batman Friday and Saturday, I'll go see it Sunday morning so I can sit back and enjoy it.

Posted by: Pookie at July 19, 2008 12:21 PM

"Be it enacted that no actor can ever play The Joker again. That's Heath's role damnit.
Posted by: Brett at July 19, 2008 11:57 AM"

Sounds like anyone would be crazy to try. They'll never achieve his heights.
I absolutely can't wait to see this! I'm hopping about with the jitters. I loved your review Dan, it got me all revved.

Posted by: Loob at July 19, 2008 12:45 PM

best.movie.ever.

I can't stop thinking about it. Everything surpassed my already highly-inflated expectations and, although I loved Batman Begins, this film blew its predecessor out of the water.

Seeing it again tomorrow!

Posted by: lux at July 19, 2008 12:54 PM

just delurking here to say:

dark knight comments = 80+

mamma mia! comments = 0

hahaha!

Posted by: banana at July 19, 2008 12:55 PM

I've now seen this movie three times in three days. It's now one of my all-time favorite movies ever made. "We're destined to do this forever!" Holy fucking shit.

Posted by: itsadrian at July 19, 2008 2:01 PM

It's a shame Maggie Gyllenhaal gets flack for not being leading lady gorgeous in the traditional sense. I'll take talent over botox and silicone any day.

Posted by: Jessica at July 19, 2008 2:12 PM

"Be it enacted that no actor can ever play The Joker again. That's Heath's role damnit.
Posted by: Brett at July 19, 2008 11:57 AM"

Jack Nicholson owned it for over a decade and that was a nice long run. If no one else dares touch it after Heath for another twenty years, that will be fine.

Mark Hamill, however, owns the voice work, just like Kevin Conroy owns the Batman's voice work.

Posted by: Meander at July 19, 2008 2:22 PM

Also, to all the people saying that they didn't enjoy it because it was too serious, or too dark: The Batman mythos has always been rooted in darkness. This is as close to the original intended idea of the Batman universe as it is likely to get. Even the (rightly) acclaimed animated series had ominous undertones to it.

Besides, if it's a more light-hearted Batman you're looking for, there's always the 60's TV show and the Schumacher movies.

Posted by: itsadrian at July 19, 2008 2:43 PM

It's not that Katie Holmes was bad, per se, it's thats he wasn't good. She was up there with Bale and Caine. Most actors say that working with great actors helps them to achieve greater performances. Katie Holmes? She achieved 'okay'.

As for this movie, I actually felt that the Harvey Dent descent could have been it's own movie. I felt that his storyline was rushed in the end. Other than that, goddamn awesome.

Posted by: TWoP Fan at July 19, 2008 3:19 PM

Sorry about my previous comment. That's what happens when my brain fucking breaks.

VAGUE SPOILER

I think Maggie's superior acting talents are best shown in the very last shot of her last seen. Holmes could never have pulled off that mix of emotions.

END SPOILER

Posted by: the_wakeful at July 19, 2008 3:37 PM

The main problem I had with Katie Holmes's Rachel is that she just wasn't believably smart. She was cute, but dull, and the idea that she was a hard-working D.A. was ridiculous - the only thing more ridiculous was that someone like Bruce Wayne would be captivated by her. Maggie G. is phenomenally better - completely believable as the smart, driven professional AND as the captivating woman - because being smart and driven is part of what makes her captivating.

And spideychris, I'm with you on the Eckhart love. I knew Heath Ledger was going to be phenomenal, and that Christian Bale would be amazing - but Aaron Eckhart really blew me away, and I was not expecting that from him, at all.

Also, that was a HELL of a makeup job on Two-Face. Yikes!

Posted by: Edith at July 19, 2008 4:24 PM

I found Maggie Gyllenhal very distracting because she was not a believable ADA and she looks like a bulldog.

SPOILER****** Her death scene was really well acted though.******

Posted by: Liz at July 19, 2008 4:41 PM

I saw this last night and was completely wowed, it was definitely everything I'd been hoping for. The review is beautifully written and totally spot on.

I don't have much to add to what everyone else has said other than my opinion re: Katie vs. Maggie, which is that I think Rachael Dawes is just a shitty character and there's no actress out there that would have been able to rise above that.

I love Maggie Gyllenhaal and her acting is on a whole other plain than Katie's, but even she couldn't elevate the character to someone I actually cared that much about. Maggie at least was able to make her a more believable attorney (and someone that two powerful and charismatic men could conceivably fall in love with), but I still found the character almost as annoying as she was in the first movie. I blame that on the writing and not on either of the actresses playing the part.

Posted by: Emily at July 19, 2008 5:33 PM

everything about this review is just so predictable.

Posted by: dandy at July 19, 2008 6:48 PM

I thought I was going to have a heart attack while watching the movie, my heart was pounding so hard during the whole thing! and i watched it with my hands to my face the entire time. it was so fucking awesome!

but the sonar thing was annoying because i just felt so confused and disoriented.

but that's my only complaint. everything else was FANTASTIC.

Posted by: dene at July 19, 2008 7:02 PM

Caught it yesterday afternoon (only damn showing that wasn't sold out when I bought tickets and it was still packed).

The movie is everything we've been hearing. Long, dark, thrilling and a geek's dream. If you're a Batman fan, this is the movie you have always wanted. The Dark Knight is Nolan by way of Adams and Miller.

Bale continues to be the best Wayne/Batman combo. Caine is funny and warming as Alfred. Freeman retains all his charm as Fox (AKA Batman's Q). Maggie Gyllenhal rescues the character of Rachel Dawes and manages to make you care for her.

But this movie belongs to 3 characters most of all. First is the Joker, who is portrayed by Heath Ledger as the most insane terrorist you'll ever have the pleasure to never meet. He's Hannibal Lecter's genius mixed with Anton Chigurh's heat and plenty of dash of Freddy Kruger.

The other characters are Harvey Dent and Jim Gordon. Aaron Eckhart gives you a Harvey Dent you want in your courthouses, fighting the good fight. His "fall" is tragic and you feel for him. As for Gary Oldman, not once did I see Dracula or so many of his monster/mad men roles. This is Jim Gordon. A good man who knows he's probably the last good man in town. But he doesn't let that get to him.

The best I can say is: I have no idea where they go from here...but I can't wait to go there.

Posted by: BFFredo at July 19, 2008 7:18 PM

BTW...meant that to read "a dash of Freddy Kruger"

Posted by: BFFredo at July 19, 2008 7:21 PM

i really liked it. heath is unrecognizable and intensely believable as the joker.

(not really spoiler below)

however, in the last scene with the mayor, wtf is up with his mascara use?

fantastic regardless

Posted by: dnflood at July 19, 2008 7:35 PM

i thought that his joker was half jack sparrow, part mickey from natural born killers.

Posted by: dnflood at July 19, 2008 7:37 PM

i thought that his joker was half jack sparrow, part mickey from natural born killers.

Posted by: dnflood at July 19, 2008 7:37 PM

Probably will see this tonite. I love me some Bale! HOT!

Posted by: pa at July 19, 2008 7:43 PM

Scarecrow was wasted. Watching Ledger was painful hitting that the role must have really gotten to him. I remember how the media and batfans reacted to his casting harshly the same way Daniel Craig painfully recalled his days of shooting that he wanted to go away.He couldnt handle how the media treated him so badly.What a turnaround. Bale is good too but his coming films seems to be the same anal intense personnas he's playing. Zzzzzz. My excitement for Maggie has waned off and switched to Katie Holmes.

Posted by: knight at July 19, 2008 7:46 PM

TMax, I still held off on reading this review (and all other reviews) until after I saw the movie this afternoon. I'm even not sure what to say about the movie - it completely blew me away. I really avoided hearing anything about the plot - didn't read any reviews or watch any particularly long trailers. It's different than Batman Begins but is at least as good. (It may be better - I haven't decided yet.) Probably reading this review would've helped me catch more in the film, but all it means now is that I'll have to go see the movie again (and again, and again).

I agree with most of what the review said. I think this is the most impressed I've ever been by Aaron Eckhart. I liked Maggie Gyllenhaal in the part, but I didn't think she had a lot of chemistry with the male leads. And Heath Ledger -wow. I mean, I expected his performance to be amazing, and it was. I hope he gets recognition for his work in this film, but I think his work in Brokeback Mountain was just slightly more impressive because it seemed so unlikely (to me, anyway) that he'd be so dead-on and subtle. He should've won the Oscar that year. Hoffman's performace in Capote was good, but you could almost see him thinking through his mannerisms and you never saw that with Ledger's performance. Anyway, melancholy soapbox: Done. Back to Batman: I was kind of worried they'd screw it up, but it was better and way more complex than I'd hoped.

Posted by: LB at July 19, 2008 8:54 PM

"As Ledger's last performance on film . . ."

I thought Terry Gilliam's "The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus" is Heath Ledger's last performance on film? It comes out next year.

Posted by: BWeaves at July 19, 2008 9:12 PM

Thank you for not posting a picture of Heath Ledger along with your review. Thank you thank you thank you.

Posted by: iguanodonna at July 19, 2008 9:52 PM

Great points, LB, valuable to me especially since I haven't seen the film myself- so good for you that you avoided this review until after your own viewing. It seems this is a film that's gonna be virtually bullet-proof to any real constructive criticism, and it's opinions like yours that are as valuable as any other reviewer's opinions here, though some just know how to articulate them better than you or I.

I'm just glad you liked the movie - I want EVERYONE to like the movie, because Batman is the greatest (super)hero invented in the 20th century, someone that we can all aspire to be, even if only in our own minds, and the character deserves the big-screen treatment he's finally been accorded, through talents that made sure the image would only be more profound, and not the silly trademark it carried for so long.

I myself always thought the Two-Face character was much more interesting in the comics than the Joker ever was (and before Tommy Lee Jones' shitting the scenery out of his ass when he was Two-Face- my god, the man was in 'maniac' mode the entire time - quite exhausting to watch, actually)

and I'm gonna quit now while I'm waaayyy behind. Just wanted to increase the number count on this review (we're over 100, right?)

Posted by: TMax at July 19, 2008 10:01 PM

Like TK said in his Crow review, just as Brandon Lee IS the Crow, Heath Ledger IS the Joker, and will be forever. He owned that role in a way I can't compare to any other actor in a role. It's sad and tragic that he is gone, and makes me almost wish that there was no way another Batman will come out with another actor as the Joker. Although I know it's inevitable, of course.

Posted by: RichieRich at July 19, 2008 10:02 PM

Who wants to see a magic trick?

Posted by: schrome at July 19, 2008 10:04 PM

Four words: Dark Knight. Imax.

Awesome.


I really hope they actually do some of the villains from the Shumacher films. It'd be cathartic to see the Riddler as something more than a knockoff of Ace Ventura (and, with rumors of Anthony Michael Hall or David Tennant taking the part in the next film, that could very well be), the same way Eckhart purged the thought of Tommy Lee Jones. Now I just need someone to banish the bad memories of Uma Thurman and the Governator and I'm all set.

Posted by: Kevin at July 19, 2008 10:07 PM

I'm really interested, people, and I certainly don't want to spread any 'Heath-hate' on this thread; but having said that, and NOT SEEING THE MOVIE MYSELF, I want to ask: was his performance really remarkably better than Eckhart's, Caine's or Freeman's? That much more remarkable? Just for the sake of clarification here, since I want to see this movie knowing there isn't a single character that absolutely dominates the film.
From waht I've read so far, I don't feel I have to worry...

do I??

Posted by: TMax at July 19, 2008 10:11 PM

TMax - you asked if Heath's performance outshines Eckhart's, Caine's, and Freeman's? Yes, it does. Without at all meaning to detract from the job Heath did, that's in part because Caine and Freeman's roles are much smaller. Eckhart's performance was good, and I enjoyed it, but Ledger... man, he is just amazing. Totally immersed in the mad genius of his character.

I've heard interviews by members of the cast who said that even the film crew people for whom filming is just a daily grind became electrified every time Ledger started acting on set. I too was a bit skeptical before seeing the movie thinking that people always tend to exaggerate the greatness of victims of recent tradgedy, but Ledger's performance is the real deal. If he wins an Oscar, its because he totally deserves it. It will have nothing to do with false hype or pity.

Posted by: DW at July 19, 2008 11:52 PM

In the voice of Will Ferrel in the funeral scene of Wedding Crashers: Damn you Heath! Damn you!

Man I wish he was around to get all of the deserved praise for his performance. Just brilliant.

Posted by: Dave at July 20, 2008 12:09 AM

This was a really fantastic review, and one of your finest for sure.

I'm extremely relieved to hear that you enjoyed Gyllenhaal's performance. She is, hands down, my current favorite actress. However, The Globe and Mail was less than favorable towards Ms. Gyllenhaal. The reviewer said something along the lines of Maggie not being attractive for the role as to garner the attention of two males like Eckhart and Bale. I guess it's a good thing that I think The Globe and Mail is the biggest, most pretentious, piece of shit, scum-sucking, newspaper.

Posted by: citizen_cris at July 20, 2008 1:31 AM

I haven't wanted to go back to the movie theater to see a movie this badly in like .... hell I can't even remember.

Saw it in IMAX first at 3 AM, feeling tired but excited. Heath's entrance with the mob bosses woke me the FUCK up. Crowd was going nuts. By the end, I was absolutely blown away, I couldn't even remember 2/3 of the movie.

Saw it again like 7 hours later. Was a tonnnnn better the second time, I caught so much more shit that links it all together.

"Why so serious?"
"Let's put a smile on that face!"

Jesus christ, Heath, are you fucking kidding me? You made Hannibal Lecter look like the fucking Energizer Bunny.

Heath - on another level. It's not even fair to compare his performance with everyone else's, since he wasn't acting, he was simply being the Joker.
Eckhart - acted his ass off. The last scene was amazing to watch. **SPOILER**

When he put the gun to his own head, you KNEW he was pulling that trigger if that coin came down on the wrong end. You knew it.

**END SPOILER**

Finally, Chris and John Nolan. What a fucking script man. As engrossing a movie as I've ever seen. The last several lines of the movie .... damn son. Damn.

Posted by: Mick J at July 20, 2008 1:39 AM

Such abnormal Joey Potter adoration in the comments. So weird, and so blatantly out of place. Waitaminnit...wait a gosh darn minute!

Tom, is that you and your Scientolopals, spamming the site again?

Posted by: CreepyGroovy at July 20, 2008 3:34 AM

Is anyone else imagining a crazy, sweaty foursome with Heath, Maggie and Christian?
Yes, if by "Heath" you mean "Aaron Eckhart."
Also: I saw this on Friday with a packed house, and the whole crowd was going NUTS. Like, clapping, stomping, cheering: I've never seen fans this rowdy, not even at the last Harry Potter film. Speaking of which, does anyone else find it amusing that Gary Oldman's American accent gets shot to shit when he starts shouting?

Posted by: lizling at July 20, 2008 11:02 AM

Everything everyone is saying about Ledger is true. He's fucking incredible.

I really wasn't into Two-Face though. I don't know if it was Eckhart (who was fine as Dent), the script, or both, but I just didn't believe the transformation. The makeup didn't help -- it was cool at first, but I would've liked it be a bit more gruesome (I didn't find it believable enough, particularly during extended periods of being exposed to it). Gyllenhal was a massive improvement over Holmes.

What do people think about villains for the (hypothetical) third film? I'm hoping for Catwoman.

Posted by: Brian at July 20, 2008 11:09 AM

ya know this movie was excellent. But these Batman movies always have to turn one ordinary household thing into some sort of extravagant menacing weapon. First it was the death microwave in the first one and now the glorious sonar cell phone machine. Or Wayne Manor being a route on the Underground Railroad...no that wasn't relates but it still annoys me everytime I see it.

Posted by: Shai at July 20, 2008 2:00 PM

Isn't it nice to be proud of a movie for breaking a ton of box-office records? It really speaks to the amazing quality of Nolan's Batmans that they can be ginorious blockbusters and still feel so personal to everyone.

Posted by: AHR at July 20, 2008 2:16 PM

But these Batman movies always have to turn one ordinary household thing into some sort of extravagant menacing weapon. First it was the death microwave in the first one and now the glorious sonar cell phone machine.

I don't understand what you mean. Microwave radiation can indeed be dangerous (which is why you can't just stick whatever you want into your microwave oven), and the cell phone machine wasn't a weapon, but a tracking/mapping system. As far as the Underground Railroad thing, that bit is in the comics and not really that crazy.

Posted by: Vermillion at July 20, 2008 2:20 PM

Gary's Jim Gordon looks just like my dad. If his moustache was slightly bushier then I'd be convinced I was being haunted. But in a nice way.

All this talk of talen and looks and whatnot...but what about that vest pantsuit? It seems odd for some reason but I like it. Am I wrong?

I was going to go the IMAX tonight but the shit's sold out. Well, phooey. Only the first two tomorrow are still open. Better be a little earlier than my usual tardy self and bring a little book. Now that frees up my night to building my new apartment out of this disaster of boxes!

Great.

Oh and dialup still sucks, if anyone was wondering. Can't get cable installed for ten more days. I said "GOODBYE", twentieth century! Go away!

Posted by: Jay at July 20, 2008 2:47 PM

Thank god for Pajiba, where the reviews are better because you people just get it. My local paper (boo, hiss) reviewed this a day or two ago and got it SO totally wrong-in seven paragraphs, all they said was that Heath Ledger is dead and Gary Oldman was great. Both true, but Jesus, it's all a little more complex than that, yeah?

Reviews like this are why I come here. Thanks for the sanity boost.

Posted by: shel at July 20, 2008 3:42 PM

eckhart is amazing as dent. i know ledger is going to get all the accolades. Perhaps he should, but in thinking about the movie in the days after seeing it, the joker isn't what's sticking around for me. it is dent, and the other non-super characters, along with batman-rachel-triangle that seem to me as the most heartbreaking parts of this gut-punch of a movie.

Posted by: ... at July 20, 2008 4:54 PM

I just can't help but giggle how much this movie is not what was advertised ("Oh I can smile about it now, but at the time it was terrible"). I was going on faith but getting feelings of something more like a movie that would have tie-ins with Fruit Roll-Ups and Golden Grahams and a bunch of "with 'Sunburst Bat Armor'" endless toy variations and be consistent with all that. And yet, it's got all that nutty promotions and merchandise and it's not a kids movie at all.

Sure, it's not unique in being more adult than its marketing, but I think it's a new level. It's ugly, which "Watchmen" is too, but that doesn't have a friendly In, so we'll see how they do. No Comedian Coco Puffs I guess.

David Tennant as the Riddler, you hypothesize? Oh man. We know he can do batshit-wily all day long. I'll now be sad if that doesn't happen in...well 2011 I guess. Damn you modern world and your years between albums and movies!!

Oh, but I already ejected the twentieth century for its slow internet technology. Well, damn, I'm stuck.

Posted by: Jay at July 20, 2008 4:58 PM

The makeup didn't help -- it was cool at first, but I would've liked it be a bit more gruesome (I didn't find it believable enough, particularly during extended periods of being exposed to it).

That's interesting to me, because one of the first things I said to my husband as we left the theater (at 3am Friday, natch) is how much I loved the two-face makeup job. It was a raw and painful physical representation of his mental and emotional state. The man he was was still there, but there's no way those wounds are healing. I really liked that pushed the injuries as far as they could go without becoming cartoonish. He could possibly live like that, but it wouldn't be much of a life.

I agreed with the person upthread who said that Maggie G. was really no better than Katie H. as Rachel Dawes, because the character of Rachel is a boring, sanctimonious little turd. Gyllenhaal was more believable as a contemporary of Bruce Wayne but she wasn't believable to me as compelling enough to land two powerful men on charisma or chemistry. Totally agree that it was impossible to believe Holmes as smart enough to be a D.A. Intern maybe.

Posted by: Skeggjold at July 20, 2008 5:14 PM

My childhood Batman - Micheal Keaton
My adulthood Batman - Christian Bale
Best Batvoice still belongs to Kevin Conroy.

But I must say that Eckart and Ledger easily stole the Batsignal from Bale's Batman.

Where is Katie Holmes when you need her and what happened to the days when Batman's women were babes? Truthfully the only actresses I liked in this superhero movies were Margot Kidder and Michelle Pheiffer but their characters can be so cartooney too. Katie is still a step up over Maggie and a better match for the handsome men.Why do you think its called X-Men not X-Women because Hollywood is clueless when it comes to lady in perils for superHEroes and SHE-ro films.

Posted by: gretchen at July 20, 2008 5:48 PM

gretchen
you'll find a decent amount of people here that would argue that Maggie G is a babe. I am glad that we are not haivng a repeat of nicole kidman/ella Macphearson couplings for Bale. I was talking it over with my Husband and that this new franchise is too smart to throw in someone just based on looks. If they did choose to have Catwoman as the next villian then it cannot be someone based purely on looks. My vote was for Natalie Portman.

Posted by: natmusk at July 20, 2008 6:08 PM

Why do you think its called X-Men not X-Women because Hollywood is clueless when it comes to lady in perils for superHEroes and SHE-ro films.

I thought it was called X-Men because that was the name of the comic book, which Hollywood didn't create.

The rest of your comment makes no sense either, really.

Posted by: Vermillion at July 20, 2008 6:49 PM

Yeah, it was good, but not as good as Batman Begins. I agree with all the comments about atmosphere. However, one big caveat: There is no good reason for the this movie to have a PG-13 rating. I let my kids see PG-13 movies, including things like Lord of the Rings - but The Dark Knight was just way over the top of what I want my kids to watch. It was a bad experience. I think they should have cut back on the nasty stuff (of which there was plenty to spare) or given it an R rating.

Posted by: bluebird at July 20, 2008 7:02 PM

@natmusk

I don't think Natalie Portman has the right look for Catwoman. My vote is for Eva Green.

Posted by: Brian B at July 20, 2008 9:34 PM

When will you guys stop spending 2/3 of your reviews talking about the plot / setting of the omive; and start critiquing for the majority like you're supposed to.

Posted by: Blahed Pajiban at July 20, 2008 10:18 PM

Maggie Gyllenhall is terrible. (As was Katie Holmes.) Why didn't Nolan just cast someone beautiful? Could anyone actually believe that either Christian Bale or Aaron Eckhart could possibly be interested/in love with her. She is so incredibly unattractive, it makes for an unlikely and unbelievable scenario for two very believable characters (Wayne & Dent.) At the very least, her skin/face/hair/voice needed some serious touch up in post production that was horribly overlooked. Otherwose, the movie was spectacular. And I'm sure you can guess my favorite part was when I realized MG wouldn't be aroudn for the sequel

Posted by: mrmister at July 20, 2008 10:31 PM

Just saw it. Good God was it incredible - possibly even made it to #1 on my top comic book movies, though a couple more viewings will be necessary.

And since I just saw it, I also just read the review - I think you nailed it, DC. Nice work.

Posted by: TK at July 20, 2008 10:55 PM

I said to my friend after we watched it that Katie Holmes as Rachel D was-- as a character--a weakling, acting strong. Maggie G was actually rough and tough. Much better, even though maybe I might kind of actually think I like to look at Katie better. Maybe.

Also, I wrote a song

(sung to the tune of "Iron Man" by Black Sab, or as I like to say BS )

I am Batman
My movie was way fucking better than Iron Man

That's all I got so far, but it's the melody I tell ya that really carries it, and those lyrics ... oh ! those lyrics ... they really latch the proverbial bat-hook (his trademarked grappling hook) into your newly bat shaped testicles.

Posted by: Evan at July 20, 2008 11:24 PM

*looks at comments again*

-That- many people find Katie Holmes attractive? Really? To be honest, I couldn't believe she'd ever earn the affections of Bruce Wayne, since she was so irritating and condescending (Oh! I mean, "serious") that I kept wanting to smack her.

At least Maggie sounds intelligent when she talks, and not like she's borrowing terms and rules from a dictionary she studied *that* morning.

Katie is a dud, and this movie completely convinced me of that. Even with the somewhat flat character that Rachel is, within five minutes I happily replaced her actress.

And hey, I find Maggie attractive. Very attractive. To each his own, honestly.

Posted by: AD at July 20, 2008 11:43 PM

Just got back from seeing the Dark Knight, alls I can say is Damn! How do you top it? I have no idea where the story can go from here. On a side note, the movie theaters should start selling beer. I was sitting in my truck with some of my friends drinking waiting for the lines to get shorter. We usually sneak beer into the theater, but the cops were all standing in front checking people. Son of a bitch made me pour my shit out.

Posted by: Pookie at July 20, 2008 11:55 PM

"Where is Katie Holmes when you need her"

Being de-bugged and rebooted. Possibly varnished.

Posted by: Loob at July 21, 2008 1:20 AM

I don't see it mentioned anywhere, so I have to say this for those that haven't seen it yet...

THE MAGIC TRICK IS THE BEST 10 SECONDS OF FILM EVER!

Posted by: ty at July 21, 2008 2:28 AM

Most of the cast were top notch and the merciless depiction of the joker by Heath Ledger really proved he was a dangerous opponent for Batman.
I still think the action on Transformers and Iron Man exceeds that of the TDK. What TDK had was a dark heart plotline that's sadder than sad.As history proves even to the present that romantic interests are mindless roles and even Maggie is no different. She cheapened Rachel Dawes and fanboys are right that her face is really weird and how she walks too. Even with a limited role Katie brought softness and soul as Rachel and you buy the romance with her and Bale's Bruce Wayne.

Bale seems to be less buff than BB and his Batman voice comes off like a grunt.

Posted by: socom at July 21, 2008 2:41 AM

This movie was so good in so many ways that it's going to take a few more viewings to wrap my head around it all. It was so layered and deftly handled on all fronts that I felt unable to talk about until a few hours after seeing it.

But seriously people, what the fuck? This whole Maggie Gyllenhall/Katie Holmes debacle is a little jarring. It seems out of left field for this group. Both are good actresses. I was actually excited when Katie got the role in Batman Begins. I always felt she was one of those actresses who just needed the opportunity to show what she's capable of. Did she? No. But she was serviceable enough in the poorly written role. Do I think Maggie did a better job? Yes. But the role was slightly better written and allowed for a little more emoting than being scared/righteous and having hard nipples. Maggie did a good job of showing the strength and intelligence that would attract these men(and also felt more realistic in age and in portrayal of an ADA).

What's really weird to me is how many people are saying that Maggie did a bad job because she's not as pretty as Katie Holmes and not hot enough to warrant the affections of Bruce or Harvey. Really? Like, seriously? Did this thread get raided by supermodels or self-hating C.H.U.D.S? Is it really that much of a mind-fuck to think that two decent intelligent men could possibly be interested in a woman for more than how she fills out a cocktail dress? Bruce has been in love with Rachel from CHILDHOOD. I don't think that's going to change because she didn't make the Maxim Hot 100 list. It doesn't matter what someone looks like when you love them. It's like Helen Keller with beer goggles. Godtopus, if you really miss Katie and her sweater puppies that much, go rent The Gift. I hear Mr. Skin gives it two nips up!

Posted by: jM at July 21, 2008 3:39 AM

Jay - I agree with you re. Batman Returns. I LOVED that everything about that movie. Walken as Max Shrek is SO under-rated and then DeVito, Keaton, Pfeifer..oh my. I liked The Dark Knight. Didn't love it. I miss the humour of Burton's Batmans but Heath was scary-good.
And everyone needs to lay the fuck off Maggie. She rocks.

Posted by: amy at July 21, 2008 4:09 AM

This is the first movie I've contributed theater money to in two or three years. Worth every penny.
It's been fun ladies & gents, see you around.

Posted by: Stew at July 21, 2008 4:48 AM

Maggie may look like a sad turtle but she's still way better casting than Holmes.

Posted by: RoboPanda at July 21, 2008 8:14 AM

This movie doesn't interest me at all. Batman has always seemed kinda cheesy, ever since Adam West. I haven't liked any of the big screen versions, so I'll skip this one.

On the other hand, I've been watching Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog over and over until it finally disappeared from the Web. I like my cheese with a whiff of Whedon.

Posted by: BWeaves at July 21, 2008 8:25 AM

I did a review too. Clicky my namer to read it. In brief; great film. Rich world populated by absorbing and entertaining characters. Good story, but the whole is really greater than the sum of its parts.

Posted by: Ben (The Harry Potter-Bashing Troll) at July 21, 2008 8:31 AM

got to see it Saturday with my dad of all people (we haven't seen a movie together since Saving Private Ryan)... heading back tonight for an IMAX showing. Thank you cinemark for finally giving us something enjoyable to watch at our IMAX (aside from the last harry potter).

There's really nothing I can say that someone else hasn't already. I just loved the fact that this movie was very complex but did not come off as confusing, which can be a hard thing to do...

maggie was pretty much forgetable, which really doesn't say much for her, her character is just sorta boring, she did fine with what she had, and anything is better than holmes.

Re: harvey dent's face (***Maybe Spoiler?***)
I think they did a perfect job not going over the top with it. I think his left eyeball was a little much being in such good condition and all. I couldn't help staring at it is probably why I'm saying this, could actually be a good thiing I guess...

Posted by: Colin at July 21, 2008 8:55 AM

Saw this on Saturday with friends, and I was awestruck.

Ledger took Jack Nicholson's Joker and chewed him up. You could see some of Nicholson's facial tics in Ledger's Joker but here they were more pronounced, more believable, and much less gimmicky. The "why so serious" scene made me squirm.

Before I saw this, I couldn't really understand what all the hype was about. People are talking about an Oscar for Ledger's performance. The guy who did Ten Things I Hate About You! (I love that movie, but even die-hard fans will admit it's not a masterpiece). And A Knight's Tale. I'm not even defending that one.

Now I get it.

Ledger out-scenery-chews both Bale and Caine. A feat.

Posted by: Pea at July 21, 2008 9:03 AM

I agree on every point except the Tim Burton hate. Am I the only one who adored Batman Returns?

No. I loved it. The characters were grotesques, isolated from humanity by the choices they made and who they were. It sounds like an entirely different movie from the one reviwed above, but Batman Returns was fantastic in its own way.

Posted by: twig at July 21, 2008 9:06 AM

And A Knight's Tale. I'm not even defending that one.

Knight's Tale was entertaining as shit.

Posted by: twig at July 21, 2008 9:09 AM

I have never read the comics but a 'friend' of mine had a mild obsession. He tried to teach me the psychological fuck-ness of these stories, specifically the Joker, and I had trouble getting past the silly Jack Nicholsan version. Thank you, Mr Ledger, for teaching me what it means to grip my seat with terror and ecstasy simultaneously.

Posted by: Shredded at July 21, 2008 9:10 AM

Hear hear jM

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at July 21, 2008 9:22 AM

Actually that was Mila right after me who brought up "Batman Returns, but I do like it too. Tim Burton got to be Tim Burton as all get out and it really excels as a fantasy depiction of comic stories, improving on the first one a lot. "Batman" didn't have a slinky Siouxsie Sioux either. I guess it's a world that matches that Batsuit, whereas the Nolan movies try to make the suit match the world and they're both pretty successful at it.

Posted by: Jay at July 21, 2008 9:52 AM

Very nice review Dan. The Joker was so far from what I remember from the other movies. It will take subsequent viewings to get used to it. I did enjoy every minute he was on the screen.

The most impressive performance of the movie, for me, was Eckhart's Dent. He played a man slowly losing everything, including control, so well. It was a stunning transformation to watch. I look forward to watching his Dent in the next installment.

Bale is Batman. It was a fantastic movie.

Posted by: Melody at July 21, 2008 10:09 AM

I am not a superhero-movie kind of gal. I went to see this this weekend with my husband as a favor and I was floored. I thought it was fantastic.

Posted by: samantha t at July 21, 2008 11:19 AM

I love the criticisms, by the way, that Maggie isn't pretty enough to snag Bale/Eckhart. Seeing as PETER SARSGAARD is the father of her child, it seems to me some pretty fine Hollywood dudes think otherwise.

Posted by: samantha t at July 21, 2008 11:31 AM

Katie Holmes was badbadbad, but Rachel Dawes just isn't an interesting character.


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When she blew up, I thought, "Well, she won't be in the sequel." And that is not what I should be thinking when that character blows up. I feel that Maggie Gyllenhaal did everything that could be done there; Rachel was just not all that substantive, IMO.

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Heath Ledger was amazing, and I was really impressed with Aaron Eckhart, who is sometimes really good and sometimes pretty wooden. I'm not at all sure I'm going to be able to watch a whole movie about Two Face, though.

And while there were plenty of things I liked about this movie, too much of the script was weak. Gordon's last speech (besides being hard to hear under the booming soundtrack) was a string of cliches, and it wasn't the only speech like that in the movie.

On a completely trivial note, Mr. Nonymous and I turned to each other and whispered, "That woman is not a ballerina." And if you've seen the movie, and have ever seen a ballerina, you know what I mean.

Posted by: KateNonymous at July 21, 2008 12:05 PM

12:05: Well, the ballerina in the movie was consuming food, for one thing.

I kid, I kid. Eating disorders and having to weigh 45 pounds are no joking matter.

Posted by: samantha t at July 21, 2008 12:43 PM

Samamntha T,

Peter Sarsgaard is not even comparable Aaron Eckhart and certainly no Christian Bale.

Posted by: mrmister at July 21, 2008 1:04 PM

"Samamntha T,

Peter Sarsgaard is not even comparable Aaron Eckhart and certainly no Christian Bale."


This post was also full of charming, delightful crazy.

You people are some shallow, insipid motherfuckers.

Posted by: I Love Beets at July 21, 2008 1:50 PM

My take on the film

With apologies for blatant whoring, I simply cannot bring myself to reprint the entire thing here in the comments section...

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at July 21, 2008 1:53 PM

On a completely trivial note, Mr. Nonymous and I turned to each other and whispered, "That woman is not a ballerina." And if you've seen the movie, and have ever seen a ballerina, you know what I mean.

I believe my exact response after Bruce Wayne introduced her was "Not with that rack"

Posted by: Skeggjold at July 21, 2008 2:22 PM

Um, 'nonymous?

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There can't be another movie about Two Face. He's, like, dead.

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Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at July 21, 2008 2:28 PM

Ah, but Maryscott, in the world of comic books - anything is possible.

Posted by: TK at July 21, 2008 2:40 PM

Full disclosure: I'm writing this before reading other comments, so I don't forget what I want to say in case I'm brought to a frothing fury by anything previously said, so if I repeat someone else, so be it.

Also, quite possibly spoilers, but if you haven't seen it yet, you're probably not the type who is too worked up by spoilers. Also, I don't really care.

#1 thing that was dumb: Batman didn't let the Joker die; in fact, he outright saved him. Batman was more than happy many times to put people in peril, yet he doesn't just let the most psychotic current baddie die? Whatever. I'm actually glad that the Joker didn't die, because by the end his perspective was the one I most agreed with--I'm sick of the "shining moral compass" type of Superhero. You may be a cynic if...supervillians are the characters you most identify with.

#2 thing that was dumb: Maggie Gyllenhall's assistant DA (or whatever she was). Too flouncy, too flip, too cutesy. And I generally don't dislike her as an actress. Katie Holmes was as convincing as a log in a dress, but Gyllenhal was straight-up obnoxious.

#3 thing that was dumb: That the joker's boat dilemma wasn't more complex. Through the whole movie, he was weaving these incredibly twisted, complicated plans to kill as many people and wreak as much havoc as possible; then at the end, he actually trusts the people to blow eachother up? Not that by pushing the buttons, they'll blow themselves up? Not that automatically at 11:58, they blow up? Not that by arguing or angrily shouting, the ignitor mechanism would be tripped, and the bottoms of the boats would fall out, dropping the panicked passengers into a somehow pirhana-stocked river? His plans were far more carefully laid than that, despite his insistence that he didn't plan things; would he really ditch the insane creativity and leave that kind of loophole?

#4 thing that was dumb: the Gotham City license plates looked like Illinois license plates. Not that there's anything wrong with Illinois license plates, but they're not the most Gotham-y license plates ever.

Overall, it was quite good. I liked the sly Catwoman reference (side note: some debate over which, if any, female character in this one might be the next Catwoman--the boyfriend said the ballerina, which is ridiculous; I'd like to see the female cop--Ramirez, was it?)

I liked Ledger's Joker, though he didn't scare me as much as nicholson's did (of course, I'm no longer 10 years old, either), that he had no backstory, and that his motive wasn't money or power or revenge, but just total bat-shit crazy.

I liked the fact that the Scarecrow popped up briefly. I liked the convict boat vs. non-convict boat dilemma (despite glaring problem noted above.) I liked that, though I'm sure CGI was heavily used, I couldn't SEE it. I liked that this wasn't as slap-sticky as Iron Man.

Posted by: frumpiefox at July 21, 2008 2:58 PM

Never mind re. the license plates. Just read Gotham IS Chicago. Still think the license plates are less than intense.

Posted by: frumpiefox at July 21, 2008 3:10 PM

maryscott, how, exactly, would one be sure about that? Not to mention that there is absolutely no reason to set everything up as they did if that's the case.

Posted by: KateNonymous at July 21, 2008 3:33 PM

KateNonymous - how exactly did they set that up? I didn't notice. If anything, the set up was for the next villain to be Catwoman, even if it was a very slight comment that you had to pay close attention to catch.

I'm just curious, like others, about what will be done with the Joker character. There's no way they'd dare bring someone else in...

Posted by: Kolby at July 21, 2008 4:16 PM

Kolby, I don't see the point of introducing the character at all if that's all there is (and why go to the trouble of developing the makeup?). And I agree that there was a nod to Catwoman, but I don't know that it means that she's the major villain in the next movie.

Posted by: KateNonymous at July 21, 2008 4:53 PM

I thought the movie was awesome. I forgot about the world outside for two and a half hours which very few movies have been able to do. At the end, when the Joker said they were destined to do battle forever, something in mind was excited about the next movie and how I would love to see them battle again. Then when the movie ended, I came back to the real world, and I was saddened when I realized that it couldn't happen. RIP HEATH LEDGER

Posted by: Randy at July 21, 2008 9:58 PM

Was anybody else disturbed by other moviegoers fucking laughing at the joker? Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Ledger's performance IMMENSELY (the man was unrecognizably transformed into the joker, dammit!), but there's nothing funny about a sociopath like that. The part was certainly well-written and well-acted, and I can appreciate the the Joker sees humor in some of the things he says humor in the things he says and does, but for the audience to think his "magic trick" was funny? Is it just me, or are those people sick? Anyway, that's just a slight side note. I thought the movie was fantastic, the other main actors were all fabulous, and I can't wait for the next one.



Oh, and I have to second (or whatever) the Batman Returns love. I saw it in the theater (I was 7) and absolutely HAD to be Catwoman for Halloween that year. Caught it on basic cable a few months ago, and for me, it hadn't lost any of its appeal.

Posted by: *penny* at July 21, 2008 10:49 PM

Skeggjold, you must have been sitting next to me, because I muttered the exact same thing!

As for the Maggie-hate... I liked her best out of all the Bat-girlfriends because she *wasn't* a "babe". I mean, it's so like a Hollywood movie to cast a stereotypical beauty that you'd never buy as a DA. But Rachel was not supposed to be dumb arm-candy. As limited as Rachel Dawes role was, Maggie kicked Katie's ass.

The woman is far from ugly. If she showed up in your bed naked right now, admit it, you'd hit it.

Posted by: Ciji at July 21, 2008 11:31 PM

I know everyone is all lauding Ledger but I think Oldman and Bale deserves some credit too. I favored Liev Scrieber and Guy Pearce for Harvey Dent but Eckhart was pretty good. Superhero films today really are going sophisticated thanks to Spiderman,Iron Man and now The Dark Knight sets the golden standard on superhero noir.

Katie leaps and bounds over Maggie.Not only Katie is lovely but she had infinite grace. There was helpings of innocence and sweetness with Katie's Rachel. Imposter Rachel looked like a hippie and Gotham is like hell but she acts so happy and saucy sex overkill like her characters in Mona Lisa,Secretary,Sherrybaby. Sorry Maggie but Rachel Dawes is not a ho.

Posted by: azrael at July 22, 2008 1:18 AM

I agree with what "whatBenwatches" said early on:

"This one was certainly pretty good, but I found all the non-Joker parts to be a little saggy. And the whole cell phone sonar thing was hokey and unnecessary. Still, though - solid popcorn flick that approached greatness overall but didn't quite get there. It was hard not to watch Heath Ledger on screen, be wowed here, mentally compare it to the complete-opposite Ennis Del Mar and realize what a great actor we lost."


Yup.

Posted by: Nathan at July 22, 2008 3:07 AM

I dunno *Penny*, I thought the pencil trick was fucking awesome. And yes, the Joker was funny - that's part of the appeal of the character - that dark, grim, gallows humor. It's not real, so perhaps we shouldn't take it too seriously.

Posted by: TK at July 22, 2008 7:51 AM

kudos to the makers Dark Knight for their record breaking opening weekend... it's no wonder there's talk of another one coming out ASAP

Posted by: patrick at July 22, 2008 2:27 PM

This movie wasn't that good. The fight scenes were hard to see, the dialogue wasn't anything special, it was an hour too long, the entire Two-Face plot felt rushed, the 'Death of Jim Gordon' sub plot was completely messy and unnecessary. Yeah, Heath Ledger was a good Joker but mainly because it was different. And Nolan's Bat-world does not capture the source material. He gets the grit and grim but he does not get the giant Penny. He doesn't get Robin. Batman is equal parts darkness and absurdity. Nolan understands it better than Tim Burton, but I have yet to see a faithful depiction with the exception of 'Batman: The Animated Series' and arguably the '60s TV series. You can't beat the Bat-Dance.

Posted by: mark at July 22, 2008 4:28 PM

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Posted by: Julia at July 22, 2008 4:50 PM

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No, the boats did not blow up. Batman threw him off the balcony before he could push it.

Posted by: johnny at July 22, 2008 5:05 PM

yeah, TK, i think i must be being too serious about it all, 'cause i'm the only person i know who thought that. so...lighten up, self.

and for the record, i thought the pencil trick was fuckin' awesome, just not, you know, funny.

Posted by: penny at July 22, 2008 7:07 PM

Batman is cool but Bale in RL isnt. Maggie should have been Clayface perfect to put the bag over her face. Not a Katie fan but she made a good Dawes.

Posted by: Walter at July 22, 2008 7:15 PM

There is something funny about the Joker, if you enjoy a dose of dark humor. There's a difference between "hehe that is fun!" and "omg wtf!" laughter. Mine amazement at the joker tended to lean towards "omg wtf", and to be honest, the Joker is pretty much always a somewhat comedic character. It's intentional to make him morbidly funny.

Oh, and...

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I found the ferry scene to be absolutely perfect. Of course it's not some "complex" scheme. That's the entire point. The point was to prove that even such a small, basic trap could work and ensnare people. Joker purposely was not the "mastermind", because he was testing the common man to see if he could become the villain. Had Joker orchestrated it perfectly from start to finish, he would've robbed the Common People (that is, the ferry passengers) of their element of chance, and free will to decide their own fate. His goal was NOT to kill them. His goal was to make them kill each other. Killing them was Plan B, NOT Plan A. This is noted in Batman's commentary to him, where he says that Joker was proven 'wrong', because the people did not turn wicked in the face of great terror.
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Er.
Lol, Bale isn't cool IRL? What?? I wasn't aware that you knew him. Give me his number, will ya?
Sheesh.

Posted by: AD at July 22, 2008 10:20 PM

By the way...

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Two-Face is not necessarily dead. Keep in mind, we see him *passed out* after the fall, and we see a funeral. At no point do we see a body in the coffin, put IN the coffin, or even taken to the morgue. It is completely possible that he was simply in a coma, and secretly incarcerated in Arkham along with Joker somewhere. The key was to keep him out of the public eye, dead or alive. And whether he really is *or not*, to get rid of him, his body needs to be in the ground or locked up somewhere. And from Arkham, no one really knows who's in there, among the citizens of Gotham. The news would be easy to keep quiet.
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Posted by: AD at July 22, 2008 10:25 PM

AD, I guess that was my problem (which I obviously didn't articulate very well). Like, I understand the character of the Joker, with the dark humor and whatnot, and my reaction was more of the "omgwtf," as you said, and I felt like the audience reaction was more of the "teehee," bros giggling to their girlies type reaction (there were a lot of teenagers there... not to offend any teenagers here, because obviously Pajiban teens are gonna be a lot different than the rest).

Posted by: penny at July 23, 2008 12:22 AM

Wow! Just wow! Just came back from the 9:41 showing - the 9:40 was sold out in advance when I bought my tickets online. Sat 3 rows from the screen - last time that happened I made the mistake of showing up late on opening night. It was amazing (and The Watchmen and the Terminator movie look cool).

Posted by: Brian at July 23, 2008 1:23 AM

What a fragging rush! Brilliant spectacle, taking its audience serious.

2 cents:

1) Why the heck would anybody want to live in Gotham?

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2) Biggest crowd cheer: Batpod wall parking.

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Worth all the overadvertising.

Posted by: Adere at July 23, 2008 3:38 AM

OK, hate to be the dissenter here, but I didn't love the movie. In fact, I liked Hulk better, which i liked better than Iron Man. Go figure. I will say that Heath Ledger was simply amazing. He was really great and scary--but in my opinion, he's the only one that lived up to the hype. The high action scenes were downright head-spinning--and not in a good way. The best scene of the entire movie was the bank heist at the beginning, and it went downhill from there.

Also, it was totally bizarre how they didn't actually show any violent "money shots"---i know they were probably trying to preserve the PG13 rating---but it was just plain bizarre.

And all the coin flipping? I get it, I get it, but wow. Did that slow the pace, or what?

I will also say that Christian Bale is liquid sex and I would happily listen to him use that gruff voice on me anytime.

I'm a little blue. I had such high hopes for this one.

Posted by: michelle at July 23, 2008 9:03 AM

I saw it last night, and I'm still having problems catching my breath today. I have today off from work and I'm going to go see it again, this time on my own. Best superhero movie ever. The gravelly Batvoice didn't even bug me. You know what did? The mayor. He was the one overly madeup fly in the awesomeness ointment. It was like 'SQUEESQUEESQUEESQUEESQUEEomgMaxFactorwtf?SQUEESQUEESQUEESQUEE!!!!'

Posted by: Kris at July 23, 2008 1:58 PM

Just two words to sum up my viewing experience: LOVED IT!!!

****SPOILER ALERT****
The only scene which I felt wasn't true to the movie and to the moral premise(s)presented was the ferry scene. There is no way that one of those ferries would not have blown up the other to save their skins. If given an opinion on which one would have used the detonator, I would say the Prisoner's ferry. After all they're all thieves and murderers who have little or no respect for life and that's why they are in Prison, duh! (To bad that Noland did not have the cojones to write that scene realistically.)

Other than that the movie was terrific, and mucho accolades and kudos to all involved.

Posted by: marie at July 23, 2008 3:33 PM

marie,

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Chances are high that the ferry scene would have resulted in one of the ships being blown up. Truth be told, I found it to be very realistic. Watching it, I guiltily even thought, "Well, the prisoners should be the ones to die", like the man that took the detonator on the 'regular' boat. And like him, I wouldn't have had the balls to do it, because of moral conscience.
And with the prisoners, yeah, chances are very high that one of them would have hit it, if that big scary dude hadn't actually been a good person. Come on now, let's not pretend Every Single Prisoner in the World is wanting to kill everybody. They may be in jail, but they're not all malicious pigs. Your prediction coming true would have made it UNsurprising, and too predictable, imo. It's too common a stereotype (and that's what it is, a Stereotype) to assume that every prisoner is going to kill everybody in a desperate attempt to save their own skin. Some of these guys are in jail for totally different reasons, and many DO have a moral compass.
So where's the problem? I saw none.
And frankly, Nolan's "cajones" have nothing to do with it. He clearly was capable of showing many people die, People Die through the Entire Movie. He was trying to prove a larger point, which is about the moral value of the people involved, a complex message which I found to ring true.
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Re:
The Mayor...
Dude, Google him. He always looks like that. I don't think he can help looking MaxFactor-ish xD

Posted by: AD at July 23, 2008 4:31 PM

PS:

The coin flipping sequences didn't slow the pace at all for me. I could hardly breathe!

Posted by: AD at July 23, 2008 4:33 PM

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I actually liked the ferry scene, and the way it played out. But they never would have evacuated that hospital in time. Also, it did not look like Gotham at all.

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Posted by: KateNonymous at July 23, 2008 5:19 PM

You blow Ebert's review out of the water. That last few sentences of this review is overwhelmingly powerful-- fitting with the epic scope of this film. Wow, just wow.

Posted by: onesexybeast at July 23, 2008 6:42 PM

The best part was Heath Ledger's performance, and I really enjoyed it. I felt Batman was unnecessary, and it would have worked out better if the Joker had been the only fantastical element.

Comic book fidelity aside ( Batman figths aliens and zombies in some), Batman had no charisma. The Bruce Wayne persona, developed as in a sentimental drama, is the only one left. Deciding both Bruce Wayne and Batman are masks for the third 'real Bruce Wayne', Nolan hollows both out, in favour of a bland, Tom Cruise-type, lead. In the Burton movies Batman and Bruce Wayne were twistedly similar opposites, and both possibly a bit crazy. Here Batman comes off as a lout (Joker interrogation scene: could 'the greatest detective on earth', and a man who goes out at night dressed in a bat costume, not understand the Joker to that extent? Believe him to yield to physical violence?).

Batman is Arsène Lupin, the Red Pimpernel, Zorro, Dracula. If all he can do is beating people up to make them 'confess', there is no point in being Batman. Batman cannot be a lesser demon than Joker. How could Joker otherwise treat him as an equal ?

Posted by: 90sbat at July 23, 2008 9:17 PM

"Was anybody else disturbed by other moviegoers fucking laughing at the joker?"

me too, hearing people laughing was pretty disturbing, it makes me think that people doesn´t really get the story, they just react to certain patterns as if there wasn't a context, and that's scary.

Posted by: goldend at July 23, 2008 9:35 PM

I ain't fucking batman awright.

Posted by: Christian Bale at July 24, 2008 3:37 AM

gylenhal is a good actress but she is a miscast here. her trying to look sexy is annoying as hell and putting her face so close to joker's is a great joke - they look alike except she's not using joker's makeup. im sorry, but one of the best parts in this movie is when she got blown up.

Posted by: anon at July 24, 2008 10:46 PM

Was anyone else dissapointed by the lack of prettiness, layered, dark cinematography in this one? Gotham was different. In the first, it was more purple-fantasy and in this one, it was Chicago. It was a completely different backdrop. I don't get it. It was two different types of movies. That made the first one for me, and the gratuitous batman emotional turmoil scenes. Too much action, not enough character in TDK. I could've done with more Joker and certainly more batman. There wasnt even shirtless Bale! Sorry, a little tipsy, lacking proper grammar here.

Posted by: jacq at July 24, 2008 11:24 PM

this movie sucked ass, big hairy fucking ass

Posted by: Michaelia at July 25, 2008 1:55 PM

Okay, is it just me or did anyone else find Batman's voice really annoying? I feel as if the animated tv series portrayed the B-man better or maybe it's just because Bale's acting was dwarfed by Ledger's Joker. Both Harvey Dent and Commissioner Gordon were excellently depicted as well but again, the Joker out-did them all even though his scenes were far too few.

Posted by: DirtyBird at July 25, 2008 1:58 PM

You lost me in the first paragraph when you said Batman Begins was a "the bleak, daring, and completely engaging [film]."
I watched this four nights ago, to catch up and get ready for The Dark Knight (I'd missed it first time-around: toddlers, you know?), and was pretty unimpressed...lots of good stuff going on in there, but nothing gelled (Katie Holmes was woefully mis-cast, and Cillian Murphy was wasted in his little screen time)...
My hopes for this film are pinned on the advance word of Heath's performance as The Joker.
I saw a cellphone-captured recording of the trailer months ago (from Cannes?) on YouTube, and the slim bits of Ledger's performance in that trailer utterly created my desire to see the current film.
It better be a fuck of a lot better than Batman Begins is all I'm trying to say...

Posted by: bud at July 25, 2008 2:36 PM

"me too, hearing people laughing was pretty disturbing, it makes me think that people doesn´t really get the story, they just react to certain patterns as if there wasn't a context, and that's scary."

those are the same idiots who watch A Clockwork Orange then go out the next day and buy some suspenders and a bowler hat...fascinated by the surface violence and style, they completely miss the point...
sigh.

Posted by: bud at July 25, 2008 2:41 PM

I finally saw this last night, and made the mistake of going to the theater in a (for lack of a better discription) "ghetto" neighborhood. I could sugarcoat it and say "lower income," but this was the same theater that once had a line for 'Welcome Home, Roscoe Jenkins.' I rest my case. I go because it's a decent and never too crowded theater.

Jesus I hate stereotypes, but the one about ghetto people never being able to shut up in a movie theater is true. And it ruined the movie for me. The girl behind me kept having her boyfriend explain every scene to her, while her friend bitched non-stop about how long the movie is. The kid two seats down was texting the entire time, which wouldn't have bothered me except his button sounds were on, so boop boop boop for two hours. One guy even answered his phone. To me that's the biggest movie sin. "Oh yeah dawg, I'm at the Batman movie...naw son, it's boring as hell." That's a real quote. Maybe if they'd paid attention they would've, you know, enjoyed it. And as much as I hate stereotypes, I was 5 seconds away from getting latina on all their asses, hand on the hip with the 'oh no you di'int' finger waving in their faces. Alas, I'm polite so I asked them to "please be quiet," a few times. And it didn't work.

Maybe it's just me being uptight, but I'm going to see it again, at 9am on a weekday when no one would think to be at a movie.

Posted by: Jessica at July 25, 2008 6:23 PM

Jessica has the ghetto to deal with an I've got teenage boys to deal with. I dunno what the cinema etiquette is in The States but in London, people are too polite. It is only the older folks that tell anybody to shut up! I saw this film with my much older cousin with a row of testosterone filled 13-15 year-olds behind me. I still enjoyed the film and was astonished by the performances, themes and darkness of The Dark Knight. I even told the kids to "be quiet" and I felt like an uptight old man! I'm only 26 but the thought that I was some uncool moviegoer irritated me throughout the picture! I'm gonna see it again though!

Posted by: C Stars at July 25, 2008 8:58 PM

Why did it have to end I just wanted it to keep going..............

Posted by: MrShit at July 26, 2008 1:38 AM

Did NO ONE have a problem with the Batman Voice? It made for some major laughter at the screening I attended. It made me think of the Michael Keaton parody on SNL's Celebrity Jeopardy years back: "IamBatman."

Posted by: jambalaya at July 26, 2008 12:56 PM

Rarely do I wish I was back home in the states, but in the past week I've wished huge that I was stateside for just a few days as there is NO posted release date for this in mainland China and little chance of it showing up on DVD for weeks because of the Olympics. Grr...

Despite the abounding sadness over the film's absence, I'm delighted to at least have access to this Stunning Review.

Yea for you!

Posted by: Li Ya at July 26, 2008 2:49 PM

Jessica, I've had that happen in suburban theaters, "ghetto" theaters (seriously, could you be be MOREcondescending and ignorant. Jesus), theaters in the country. The problem isn't black or poor people, the problem is assholes - and they are everywhere, every race, every class and creed. Don't think that it's somehow based on people's income level, or you become an asshole too.

Posted by: I Love Beets at July 26, 2008 3:03 PM

The Joker (Heath Ledger) is a thing of beautiful terror, a psycho willing to slaughter civilians and bomb banks and stuff grenades into the mouths of those who cross him. He does this not because he's paid to, or even because he can; he just does it, and Ledger imbues the Joker with such casual menace and believable strength that he instantly owns the character forever.

Written like a true 13-year-old fanboy. Let me know when you people graduate to movies for grown-ups.

Posted by: twaddle at July 27, 2008 12:03 AM

Wow. Nolan really swung for the fences here. The ambition, moral ambiguity and multiple engrossing storylines more than outweigh the clunky, rushed feeling of the third act. Heath Ledger's performance is so indelible and BIG that really great performances by Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart are likely to be overlooked, which is a shame.

I love how Chicago is such a character in the film. Unlike previous Batmans (Batmen?) so much of the story plays out in broad daylight. The idea of these characters living and dying in a real, tangible Gotham as opposed to an overdesigned Tim Burton soundstage make some of the more ridiculous elements of the superhero story more believable.

Speaking of ridiculous...

SPOILER..............

My one big gripe with an otherwise untouchable film had to do with Dent/Two Face. His fucking face is melted off, and 24 hours later he's on his feet, shooting whiskey and speaking with no impairment, even though he has a baseball-sized hole in his cheek and no fucking lips? If he wasn't dead or comatose, he'd be in such ungodly pain he wouldn't be cogent enough to refuse the morphine they'd pump into him, obliterating all thoughts of lost love or revenge or whatever other bullshit he was spewing while he held Gordon's family hostage. Two Face is a fascinating character who deserves his own story, not the second banana role in a film dominated by Ledger's Joker. His overnight transformation from crusading white knight to petty cop killer just rang false. Nolan & Co. should have left Dent to convalesce and recuperate in time for the next film instead of killing him off as a tidy device to end the movie.

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Otherwise, damn. What a ride. And what a swansong for Heath Ledger.

By the way, I'm really sick of hearing about how playing such a twisted, dark character drove Ledger to drug abuse and an untimely death. The man was an actor, and a great one. Plenty of actors play sick characters without resorting to substance abuse. Isn't it possible that Ledger's death was just a tragic, sad consequence of abusing prescription drugs that he and many like him assumed were "safe" because they come in labeled bottles instead of plastic baggies or brown paper bags? Explaining away Ledger's death as The Curse of the Joker is a foolish notion which shifts the blame from the real-life epidemic of drug abuse and does disservice to the man's memory. End o' rant.

Posted by: Meshuggah at July 27, 2008 2:05 AM

Did NO ONE have a problem with the Batman Voice?

Obviously Batman wants to be the new CEO of GE and knows what's required.

MG had a good point in the box office comments in that Batman probably just talks a little too much here. Thus you can lose a bit of "no unnecessary words" raspy menace and have it swing towards Seth Galafianakis "that thing where there's a silhouette of the person and you give them that monster voice".

It probably does work better on "Backup" than "well, it turns out the ghost was no other than Old Man Farley who'd hired some goons to help scare people away from his amusement park so Mr. Slugworth wouldn't try to buy it out from under him".

Posted by: Jay at July 27, 2008 12:51 PM

Argh I FINALLY got to this last night, and had to come and re-read this review.. And Oh Meshuggah I couldn't agree with you more! It felt so half done, and I feel that the Two Face character deserved so much more time, it just felt really unfinished.. Or finished way too quickly maybe... That being said I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, although I wish they hadn't tacked on the extra storyline at the end, really unnecessary. Ledger was, of course, incredible. Every time he was on screen I would find myself whincing and tensing up, and feeling a real sense of relief as soon as I wasn't looking at him anymore. BUT OH MY GOD(topus) I wish Batman would have kept his mouth closed!!!

Posted by: BrisVegasBec at July 29, 2008 9:03 PM

TDK was superb but it does have its share of problems like the dialogue and some subplots that didnt quite work.But the searing performances by the cast erased some of its blemishes. CBale is still good but Im far more impressed by Ledger and Eckhart and Iron Man's Downey Jr. For Golden globe nominee Gyllenhaal she was so bad in this movie. She got even more fugly on IMAX too. I wonder if this was the battle of the uglies? Ledger's Joker is more fascinating than her and every scene she's on most vomit blood. Holmes is worlds better with her Rachel,flying sparks with Bale and beauty.

Posted by: o'neil at July 30, 2008 3:08 AM


As long as they keep Angelina Jolie(Catwoman) Im still a happy fanboy. More villains and do away with the unnecessary love dovey crap.
The actors for the Riddler should be: Guy Pearce,Tom Cruise,Casey Affleck or Daniel Day Lewis. With Bale close to the TomKat camp it would be so good to see a Cruise and Bale teamup onscreen. Video here:
http://media.putfile.com/Post-Wedding-Party-LA-2006

TMZ also showed Holmes lending one of their SUV and security team to escort Bale,wifey and baby safely out of LAX airport.TMZ took aim that Bale has anger issues and is a cheap skates Bruce Wayne.

Posted by: Noah at July 30, 2008 11:10 PM

Actual conversation overheard at nail salon yesterday:

Random lady: I mean, Maggie Gyllenhaal is just...she is so much the INDIE genre, she just throws off the whole movie, she doesn't belong in a mainstream film. She's way too indie to be in a Batman movie.

My friend: Um...I mean...I think...

Random Lady: Katie Holmes is just prettier! I mean, I guess her crazy husband kept her out of the movie, but Maggie, I'm sure she's nice and everything, but she doesn't belong in a major film.

My friend: Well, Katie is kind of...

Random Lady: And Two-Face is supposed to be, like, UGLY. Why did they choose an actor who was handsome?! He was just TOO handsome.

My friend: ...

Random Lady: You know, I don't know why they make actors change their accents, you know? If someone's an Aussie, they should be allowed to have an Aussie accent in the film! Like, if Toni Colette had been Rachel Dawes, then Rachel Dawes should be an Aussie! That's not so hard to work into the plot. I mean, you could totally make it believable.

My friend: ...but Toni Colette isn't in Batman.

Random Lady: Ok, maybe it's a bad example, but I think actors should be allowed to be themselves in movies. Hollywood is just so fake.

My friend: goes back to reading People magazine

Posted by: Catherine at August 4, 2008 1:32 PM

TO Catherine: if i was your friend i would have said... if they were allowed to be THEMSELVES in movies... it wouldnt be ACTING!!!!

Posted by: scott at August 4, 2008 6:38 PM

Soooo I know this thread is pretty much dead, but I had to let you all know that my boy is finally back in the country (see earlier post), and after the obligatory swooning and loving we ran out to see The Dark Knight. And it was awesome. *Settles into post-Batman bliss*

Posted by: b at August 8, 2008 9:58 AM

um...batman massively sucked. BORING!

Posted by: Jang Woo at September 2, 2008 3:11 PM

i said it once and i'ma gon say it again:
"DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!"
i'm witcha jang woo. dat movie wack!

Posted by: Flava Flav at September 2, 2008 3:14 PM