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This Year, Tyler Perry was My Valentine

Daddy’s Little Girls / Jeremy C. Fox

Film Reviews | February 16, 2007 | Comments (145)


Never mind what Tyler Perry tells you; God clearly hates single people. Otherwise, why would I be sitting here alone, on my first uncoupled Valentine’s Day in years, soaked to the bone from the horrible slushstorm that hit Boston today, about to watch my third Tyler Perry film in as many Februarys? The circumstances that brought me here are complex mix of the professional, the personal, and the meteorological, but their confluence has created a situation so miserable that its root cause can only be metaphysical. Somehow or other, I’ve pissed off the Big Guy, and it’s time for penance.

I’m doing something a bit experimental with this review, in case you couldn’t already tell. Inspired by my colleague’s recent forays into real-time reviews of straight-to-DVD trash, I’m going to do my best to publish this review as a direct transcription of my handwritten notes. That’s right, what you’re reading has been (is being?) written down longhand in the theater before and during the 5:45 screening of Tyler Perry’s Daddy’s Little Girls (oh, how I hate the awkward double-possessive of that title) at the AMC Boston Common, so that what you get is my immediate, unmediated response to the film. I do this for three reasons: 1) to give you, the reader, a rare glimpse inside the thought process of a critic without the artificial primping and polishing of my reactions, 2) a Tyler Perry film seems the ideal venue for such a project, as his films work on the audience’s most immediate responses and can only suffer for deeper consideration, and 3) mostly because I refuse to sit down once again and spend hours reliving the experience of a Tyler Perry film just so I can generate scads of hate mail. Twice is quite enough, thanks.

And what’s all these goddamn M&Ms ads? Enough already.

I should note here, with just moments before the show starts, that I am sitting in the very back row of the theater, contrary to my usual practice. This is partly so that I can better observe the reactions of the audience — I am not part of Perry’s target demographic — but mostly because I have been frightened ever since the rabid response to my review of Diary of a Mad Black Woman that I would be recognized and berated — or perhaps beheaded — by one of my furious correspondents. (Also, it allows me to take off my boots and let my socks dry a bit.) As I seem to be the only Caucasian man in the theater — and certainly the only person furiously scribbling on a legal pad — I can’t help feeling slightly conspicuous.

Joy! The lights are dimming. Let the magic begin.

First, the trailers. The Ex: Is Zach Braff trying out for Ben Stiller’s career? My God, why? Amazing Grace: Of course. They’re going to include anything they can find that’s remotely religious or contains any black actors. God bless studio marketers and their literal-mindedness. But what the hell is Albert Finney doing in this movie? I Think I Love My Wife: Chris Rock takes on marital malaise. Given his previous forays into writing and directing, I’m not optimistic. Ratatouille: New Pixar. Looks cute. Delta Farce: Sweet Lord. Larry the Cable Guy, Bill Engvall, and D.J. Qualls invade Mexico thinking it’s Iraq. Fag jokes abound. Would it do any good to write my congressman? Does it help that he’s Barney Frank? Pride: Terrence Howard coaches an inner-city swim team. At least it’s not Hilary Swank.

Oooh, ooh! Feature presentation.

Perry has his own production company, Tyler Perry Studios. This is deeply troubling, but it does confirm what I immediately suspected about his ego when I saw Diary.

Inner-city Atlanta, the present day. A gratuitous shot of Ebenezer Baptist Church, for a cheap infusion of resonance. Hey, it’s Black History Month, y’all. Willie (Louis Gossett Jr.) owns an auto repair shop, where he employs Monty (Idris Elba), a gifted mechanic who wants to buy the shop.

Perry is credited with writing, directing, and producing. I think he also catered. Remind me to check the end credits.

Monty goes to see his three daughters — ages five, seven, and 12 — at the home of their maternal grandmother. Grandma tells him that their mother, Jennifer, hasn’t been to see them in months. Jennifer lives with Joe, the neighborhood’s biggest drug dealer, and she “don’t care about nobody but herself.” Grandma also mentions that she’s dying of cancer, which Monty has failed to notice, despite the persistent hacking cough, the dozens of pills she takes daily, and the turban she wears to hide her baldness. Monty’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

At Grandma’s funeral, Jennifer (Tasha Smith) shows up and makes a horrible scene, abetted by Joe (Gary Sturgis). She’s quite a hootchie. Heavy-handed “dramatic” music plays. Ugh.

The girls must move into Monty’s dingy one-bedroom apartment, which they apparently have never seen before (?). He takes on extra work as a chauffeur to help support the girls, and his first customer is an attorney named Miss Rossmore (Gabrielle Union). Union is a beautiful woman, and if that weren’t enough, we know from the movie poster that she’ll turn out to be Monty’s love interest. We’re only 10 minutes in — this is moving at record speed. Perry must plan to introduce a thousand complications to fill out the running time to feature length.

Complication number one: Miss Rossmore is an uptight bitch who treats Monty like shit. He’s too “street” for her tastes, and horrifies her with everything he does. Perry has not directed Union to underplay. We see her in court, where she’s clearly a skilled litigator. Meanwhile, in another courtroom down the hall, Evil Joe evades prosecution on drug charges because the cops conducted a warrantless search. The judge is hostile to the prosecutor and seems positively stoked to see a drug dealer go free. Because that’s how judges are.

Outside the courthouse, Jennifer and Joe see Monty and mock him for his chauffeuring and his poverty. They repeatedly invoke the word “slave,” which is probably more hurtful than “nigger” when coming from another black person. Jennifer makes a good point, though — how did she have three babies by him, since they seem congenitally incompatible?

Miss Rossmore comes out and behaves unpleasantly some more — we learn that she has first name, though: Julia. Her friends Cynthia (Tracee Ellis Ross) and Brenda (Terri J. Vaughn) are waiting for her and insist that she go on a blind date. Said date wears a striped, shiny, bright-blue suit and resembles Luis Guzman. Quite a catch. At dinner, he mispronounces every word on the menu, from filet mignon to “scrimps,” and announces that he’s between jobs and has decided to embark upon a career as a rapper at the age of 40. He offers an impromptu freestyle. I crawl under my seat. The audience goes wild with hilarity.

Is anyone in reality as rude and superior as Julia? I’ve known some cold bitches in my time, but really. She gets offended that Monty takes a personal call while driving, though she’s just hung up her cell phone, and is then pissed that he has to got to the hospital to see about his children. And the desk nurse is worse, ordering him to take a seat and wait for her to tell him where the girls are and if they’re OK. Perry can’t ever just let anyone have a kinda bad day; it has to be the worst day in recorded history.

It turns out that the girls somehow started a fire in his apartment. The oldest is 12, yet they couldn’t figure out that they should flee the fire until Monty’s neighbor Maya (Malinda Williams), who is also Julia’s personal assistant — that’s how Monty got the chauffeur job, broke the door down. I guess the apples didn’t fall far from the tree.

Why has Monty not gone after Maya? She’s cute as hell and clearly likes his kids. I guess dating the woman who lives right next door and doesn’t initially hate him would just be too simple.

A woman from Social Services arrives and blames Monty for the fire. She refuses to let him see the girls and immediately gives custody to Jennifer — can she even do that without a hearing or anything? Monty becomes violent and inarticulate. Well, more than usual. The important thing, though, is that Julia starts to notice that he’s a person and not just a servant.

Upon hearing Monty’s woes the next day, Willie observes that he needs help from God and two more white people. One of the better lines so far, but is he implying that God is white? This goes against everything I learned about Black Jesus from Nell Carter on “Gimme a Break.” Sound advice, though, and soon Monty is in church, where the minister advises that he’s on the verge of a change for the better. Hell, I could have told him that, and I don’t even have access to the script.

At Joe’s large, immeasurably tacky apartment, we see that Jennifer’s mothering skills make Joan Crawford look like June Cleaver. (Same initials — I never noticed that before.) Jennifer snaps at the youngest girl, China (China Anne McClain), for weeping and annoying Joe, then sends her to her room. A man in the row in front of me bellows, “Rip out her weave!”

Outside the church, Joe and his thugs are hanging out right across the street; we learn that he finds them at the local high school. And we thought military recruiters in schools were bad.

Back at Joe’s, Jennifer explains to the oldest daughter, 12-year-old Sierra (Sierra Aylina McClain — apparently the girls are all sisters in real life, too), that “it’s time for you to start your own hustle. … The number one rule to the game is Never Get Caught. Now, I’m about to go get a drink — you want one?” It’s nice how the characters are so simply and consistently good or evil. Thinking is hard.

Soon, Monty is called to the school because Sierra has been caught with a joint. Apparently Joe told her that he’d kill Monty if she didn’t take it to school and sell it. Monty, a flashback tells us, has his own prior run-ins with the law and can’t afford to risk getting arrested (this flashback makes no sense later when we learn what his legal problems were actually about).

Monty goes to see Julia to ask for her help getting custody of the girls back, and she tags him with several racist stereotypes, asking, for example, if he wants custody of his children so that he can get a check from the government. She’s pretty, but she’s disgusting.

She’s set up on another blind date, this time with Chris, a handsome, well-dressed lawyer. My friend one row up cries, “He’s gay!” Relieved that he’s not a loser, Julia flirts openly with Chris. All goes well until she’s about to kiss him good night, at which point his heavily pregnant wife rolls up in a minivan with their three other children and the family dog. Sorry, man, I don’t think he’s gay.

Monty and Jennifer’s custody hearing — Julia happens to pass by the open courtroom and wander in. Soon she’s standing up and volunteering to represent Monty. She gets a continuance and Monty is allowed one visit with the girls per week, though Jennifer retains custody. Afterward, Julia chats with Monty and learns how much he’s sacrificed for his daughters. I’m actually a little moved by his speech myself, though I’m a soft touch when it comes to parents and kids.

Monty attends a neighborhood meeting, where Joe seems to be the only subject. The entire community is terrified of him and won’t testify against him. They won’t even call the cops because they won’t come to their neighborhood.

At Julia’s office, she and Monty go over his tax returns and court records. She sees that he’s the rare “brother in the hood” who is devoted to his children. When she asks if there are any surprises in his past that she should know about, he briefly flashes back to a party scene, but her phone rings with a friend trying to set her up on another blind date. She demurs and winds up discussing her romantic problems with Monty, who lets her know that he’s available.

Back at Joe’s, the girls witness Jennifer and some of Joe’s thugs beating a man who owes her money for drugs. They protest, and she explains her duty to wise them up to the harshness of life on the street. The road to hell…

Monty offers Julia a ride home from the office because her new driver has left for the night, but it’s her birthday, so he insists on taking her out for some fun first. He takes her to a small neighborhood jazz bar where she’s intimidated by the clientele, though knocking back a few shots takes care of that. Soon they’re grinding on the dance floor, then they’re back at her place, where all looks promising for a hookup until she runs to the bathroom to throw up. I’m actually surprised that Perry didn’t have Monty explain that he’s a good Christian man and could never sleep with Julia before they were married, but he seems to be soft-peddling all that stuff this time. And good riddance.

At lunch the next day, her friends are pleased to see her in the glow of a new infatuation but appalled that it’s with someone poor. They assume that he’s a no-account who will only drag her down to his level. Later, when he drops by her office to see her, she’s awkward and embarrassed, but she still accepts his invitation to come to his place for dinner and meet his daughters properly. They, naturally, are skeptical and do whatever they can to make her uncomfortable, but the fire has been lit, and Julia and Monty wind up making out in the kitchen after the girls go to bed.

It’s around this point that I’d generally taper off from describing the plot any further for fear of revealing too much, but in this instance it’s a moot point, since it’s been clear from the beginning where everything was headed. Monty will get custody of his kids and Julia will win them over. The shocking thing from Monty’s past that he didn’t tell Julia will be revealed but then will turn out to have been a big misunderstanding. The neighborhood will stand up to Joe, and he’ll go to prison, either taking Jennifer with him or leaving her alone and destitute. Monty will buy the shop from Willie, and everybody will live happily ever after. (Actually, I have to go back in here and add that the way Perry reaches the predictable conclusion is entirely unpredictable and somewhat disturbing. Perry has implicitly advocated violence in earlier films, but the solution he presents for Monty’s problems is, I think, dangerously irresponsible.)

The thing is, as contrived as most of these situations are, Daddy’s Little Girls is like a Rossellini film compared to Perry’s earlier efforts. It certainly helps that there’s no Madea, but there’s also a greater emotional truth in this situation. Monty may be just a bit too good to be true, and Julia’s initial bitchiness is beyond excessive, but the issues of class are very real and are handled with what, for Perry, is subtlety. Surprisingly, I find myself rooting for Monty and Julia both as a couple and as individuals. It’s melodrama at the Lifetime-movie level, but even that is a step up for him. Perry will never be a great filmmaker, or probably even a good one, but he’s moved into the ranks of the mediocre. As Pajiba’s resident authority on his oeuvre, it’s really the best I could hope for, short of his retirement. Or a dry pair of pants.

Jeremy C. Fox is a founding critic of Pajiba and a member of the Online Film Critics Society.You may email him at jeremycfox[at]gmail.com.

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Comments

It's like you hate yourself...

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at February 15, 2007 12:22 AM

Oh, hell. I was actually looking forward to seeing this, based on the previews, because it seemed to be considerably tamer than his previous films (Madea is incredibly annoying, and I'm rather tired of black comedians/actors cross-dressing as seemingly the only way to amuse audiences - and yes, I'm a black woman). Although it sounds like one of the better ones, my desire to see this has decreased significantly.

Why did Idris Elba sign on for this? Isn't he critically lauded for his work on The Wire?

Anyhoo, Jeremy, you shall incur no wrath from me. I'm sure my comment on DOAMBW is long gone, but I completely agreed with your review of the film. And for what it's worth, I appreciate your foray into the "just-in-time" reviews. You have one of the most prolific writing styles on the site (no offense and much love to the others), but it's always cool to try something different.

Posted by: Daphne at February 15, 2007 12:29 AM

Damn . . . after that review and the disclaimer about the ending being somewhat irresponsible . . . I was hoping it would be said how Monty took care of it and what was so socially irresponsible.

It almost makes me want to see the movie.

Posted by: Rowen at February 15, 2007 12:35 AM

Jeremy do you know shorthand or something? How were you able to cram that much detail into your on the fly notes? I need you to teach my your technique so I can take better notes in class.

Posted by: Theresa at February 15, 2007 12:54 AM

You as the white man you are will never understand certain aspects of black culture. Humor, Swagger, Intelligence, Art, Language, Skin is beautiful and so many people want to have our feature our cultures and even our way of life. It is something,an experience you will never know and something you cant relate to.

Clearly you went into the movie with a biased attitude. So early on you already formed an opinion. Social Responsibility??? So now he is obligated to that? Or is that one of the very few things you could find that you could critique. How many movies out there now that are dedicated to that?

And to have the audacity to doubt his future filmaking capabilities...you buddy have a lot of nerve (but thats nothing new, you white guys destroy whole civilizations, right) :).. Everyone grows with experience and in time people master their art form. Its really "not a good look" for you to be judging something you dont understand or cant relate to. If you are going to walk into something and critique it at least do some research.

So your the only white man in the theatre? I bet no one in their cared. Its Valentines day. Your the only one paranoid and walking into a theatre with a preconceived notion. Do you know how many times a black person is the ONLY black person in a room, or a class, or Congress??????

Get over your complex and insecurities then judge someone else and what the future may hold for them.

Posted by: laughoutloud at February 15, 2007 12:58 AM

Wow, angry black person at 12 o' clock.

Posted by: Stephen at February 15, 2007 1:26 AM

holy crap, Jeremy is "THE" white man? not second in command white man or anything? why are you writing for this site, Jeremy? dont you have lots of big, oppressive, global things to do?

I'm still interested in this movie, although it sounded predictible. Predictable is fun sometimes, and I love Gabrielle Union. she brightens my day, even if she is always the super competitive, goal oriented bitch who turns out to be sweet underneath it all.
The advertising for this annoyed me though. I hate how one ad portrays it exclusively as a drama about a man fighting for his family, and the other as a pure, romantic comedy about two opposites who fall in love anyways. I didnt see any ad that showed both aspects.

Posted by: Hmmmm at February 15, 2007 1:45 AM

That episode about Black Jesus is Good Times, not Gimme A Break!

It's sad that out of the whole review, this is what I choose to focus on.

Posted by: molly at February 15, 2007 4:14 AM

I wasn't going to comment, but I saw the trailer for this and figured it looked like the kinda lame but sweet made-for-TV movie I'd enjoy nevertheless.

But anyway, to Ms (I assume) laughoutloud:

"to have the audacity to doubt his future filmaking capabilities..."

Come on! Have you not read any other reviews on this site!? It's hardly "scathing" or "bitchy" if he didn't criticise the filmmaker's ability!

Posted by: frannigan at February 15, 2007 5:51 AM

For fucks sake angry black person, attributes such as humour and intelligence and language are pretty much endemic to every culture. It's not racist to hate a black film makers work, especially if it's contrived and unoriginal. He has an opinion. Deal with it.

Posted by: J at February 15, 2007 6:07 AM

If anything, I think Jeremy was too kind and cagey. The cliche-ridden plot and the one-dimensional caricatures are enough to show that this movie is little more than pure garbage. Let's not start lowering standards for fear of mean e-mails from the ignorant and the crazy.

Posted by: Lilly at February 15, 2007 7:46 AM

Okay, so laughoutloud wasn't particularly eloquent, but I too felt uncomfortable that the reviewer felt it necessary to note his presence as the only white man and to elevate his position to that of commentator on audience reaction as well as on the film. This could be described as a bad film without dissing its - did you notice they're black everybody? - audience who had the audacity to - shock - enjoy it.

Posted by: Smith at February 15, 2007 7:48 AM

I seem to recall other reviews on this site where the reviewer assumed the role of observer of both audience and film (John Tucker Must Die was one, at least). Mr. Fox acknowledged from the beginning that he was not a part of Tyler Perry's demographic, just as other reviewers have done with the teenage girl demographic. So he was observing as an outsider. Nothing wrong with that.

Posted by: AM at February 15, 2007 8:38 AM

Fundamental Attribution Error -- when I sound angry, it's due to the circumstances in which I find myself. When someone else sounds angry, it's because he/she is "an angry person". Error increases with the amount of perceived dissimilarity with the party being judged.

Hence, a black person who disagrees is automatically bestowed with the name "angry black person". Congratulations, dopes.

Posted by: sansho1 at February 15, 2007 9:09 AM

I take umbrage to the notion that a white person can't understand a "black" film (or vice versa). Christ, it's not rocket science. We're all people, we all go through the same shit. Why can't someone criticize a film without it being relegated to a race issue? Tyler Perry sucks as a film maker, regardless of what color he is. Don't read racism into what is a valid criticism of someone's work. Would you prefer that black people were immune to criticism?

Posted by: mutterhals at February 15, 2007 9:54 AM

Would you prefer that black people were immune to criticism?

Presuming this was directed to me, of course not. But I find it instructive to note the tone and content of those posters who reply to laughoutloud by screenname, versus those who chose to go with "angry black person". One group welcomes a dissenting point of view and takes on his/her arguments at their merits, the other views the post as the work of an angry interloper.

Posted by: sansho1 at February 15, 2007 10:12 AM

Several thoughts:
1. Sansho1, you are absolutely and astutely correct in your statement about addressing laughoutloud either by name or as "angry black person". It does show a nasty little something about the poster.
2. That said, laughoutloud may need to calm down a little. Jeremy was not making any kind of sociological statement, merely pointing out that he's not the target demographic. And he's right - he's not. His criticism of the director's abilities have nothing to do with the color of the directors, actors, or audiences skill.
3. It's true, this is scathing reviews for bitchy people. What did you expect?
4. I confess that I'd rather see something like this than garbage like Norbit or White Girls or, god forbid, Big Momma's House.
5. Idris Elba needs to get more recognition, dammit. He's fucking brilliant in The Wire. Also, I just learned that he's British. Weird.

Posted by: TK at February 15, 2007 10:50 AM

Daphne, please be careful, or I might have to ask for your hand in marriage.
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Another fine review, my good sir. It seems people that like movies like this are what I call 'dramaphiles'. They like Drama, not in a classical sense, but more along the lines of soap operas and such. They need people to root for or against. But probably most important, they need to see good, hard-working, honest people (aka what the audience thinks of themselves) get out of the deepest, dankest hole anyone can be put in. Because if the guy in the movie can make it, then they can escape their humdrum existence someday.
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Now, this comment is about to get ridiculously long, so bear with me;

laughoutloud, and I am mean this with the upmost respect, you have no idea what the heck you are talking about.

True, Jeremy, as a white person, cannot fully understand black culture. But this movie is NOT black culture. It is a crappy movie. Try this: replace every black person in this movie with a white person. NOW defend it's merits. Just because a movie has a predominantly black cast and crew, doesn't mean it is great. Not once in your diatribe did you try to express your position on the actual movie. Did you like it? If the ONLY defense you can come up with for the movie is that the reviewer was white so he can't know what he was talking about, isn't that racist? Assuming that a particular movie was made for ONLY ONE skin color to enjoy? What next, segregated theaters that either show 'white' movies or 'black' movies?

As far as his 'biased attitude', that came less from him being white and more from him being unfortunate to have to take crap from people defending the last two Perry movies. Of course he was apprehensive; you would be too if a bunch of people filled your inbox with mail saying you were racist and ignorant.

The 'social responsibility' remark was just plain infuriating. Of course Perry has to show social responsibility: that is why it is called social responsibilty. If he is presenting this movie as a semi-realistic portrayal of someone solving their life's problems, then he has a responsibility to resolve it in a feasible way. This isn't a superhero movie he is making; it is a drama. Meaning these are supposed to be people going through things we the audience can relate to. To have these characters do something reckless and irresponsible out of nowhere destroys the dramatic credibility of the film.

Next, pick a side: either Perry IS a good filmmaker that the reviewer doesn't understand, or he is GOING TO BE a good filmmaker and the reviewer should not write him off. One or the other, not both. Either he is good NOW, or is bad but should be given a chance to get better. And really, you can't come up with a better comeback than the old "white man ruined everything" line?

Tell me this, when you aren't too busy: since when did you become such a credible judge on white culture? You based your complaint on the idea that he was a white man judging a culture he was not a part of. So, by your logic, what gives you the right to judge him and his critique? Or to judge any movie that doesn't have mostly black people in it? You cannot possibly understand the intricacies of white culture, so why should we listen to you?

And his nervousness about being the only white person there is not biased, it is instinctual. A person is more comfortable near familiar faces and surroundings.
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She refuses to let him see the girls and immediately gives custody to Jennifer -- can she even do that without a hearing or anything?

As I understand it, with my admittedly limited sense of the law, no. The case worker can remove the children from his home, but she can't just give them to another person without a hearing. The state would take over as temporary guardian, and they would most likely ended up in a group home. Also, it doesn't make much sense for a case worker to overreact in such a way. On one hand, you have an accidental fire that the parent could not have known about because he was working his ass off supporting those kids. On the other, you have the girlfriend of a known drug dealer who abandoned them in the first place. Even if she wasn't with Joe, I sincerely doubt that there was enough confidence in her parental abilities to just shunt the children there.
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sansho1, I am a bit confused by your comment. Are you saying that Stephen is a dope for calling laughoutloud an 'angry black person'? From what I read, it seems that laughoutloud sounds quite incensed by the review, and from the references to black culture as 'our', s/he is indeed claiming to be black. So wouldn't 'angry black person' be kinda.....accurate?

Posted by: Vermillion at February 15, 2007 11:24 AM

Laughoutloud is right...remember, the White Man is responsible for giving us Nic Cage.

Posted by: Nick Kage at February 15, 2007 11:33 AM

I saw DADDY'S LITTLE GIRL.It was a Great Movie, but once again a black directors, and film makers cannot do good enough for white critics like yourself. If it was Julia Roberts and Brad Pitt It would have a great love story, and your review would have be diffrent. Tyler Perry address issues In the Black Community. Things that we deal with, and things that you have no idea about,and why the hell we can't have a predictable feel good movie? Bottom line-you had a problem with Tyler Perry before you even watched the film whiched made you bias. Keep up the good work Tyler!!!!!

Posted by: cece at February 15, 2007 11:35 AM

I do apologize sansho1, I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification.

Also, I think I have had what some call an epiphany.

According to Tyler Perry movies, if you are rich, successful, and black, you are an abusive (verbally, emotionally and/or physically) asshole. If you are poor and black, God beams down mountains of blessings on you. Therefore, God hates rich, successful black people.

Now, Tyler Perry himself is now a millionaire due to the success of his plays and movies. He is now rich, successful and black. By Perry World Logic (TM), he is now an abusive asshole.

So the best thing you can do for Tyler Perry is to NOT see his film, because if you do, you make him more rich and successful, and thereby make him an even bigger abusive asshole. In fact, people should rob Tyler Perry of every thing he owns, because not only would he be poor (and therefore on God's good side), but he will have gone through the same crap he puts his characters through, thereby assuring he will live a happy (if broke) existence.

So get out there and jack his car, so we can save his SOUL.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 15, 2007 11:55 AM

Vermillion says: "According to Tyler Perry movies, if you are rich, successful, and black, you are an abusive (verbally, emotionally and/or physically) asshole. If you are poor and black, God beams down mountains of blessings on you. Therefore, God hates rich, successful black people."

FINALLY, someone else noticed! I saw Madea's Family Reunion, and what disturbed me most was not Madea, but the fact that the Blair Underwood character was a successful lawyer--and abuser. What the hell?? Abusers are both poor and rich, successful and bums. I'm definitely not going to see this movie if Perry's just going to propagate that idea.

And cece, if Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts were to star in this exact same movie, I WOULD NOT SEE IT. Crap is crap, no matter what color you are. I don't get this mentality of "you hate it because it's about black people." Please! The Civil Rights movement was over a long time ago. I wasn't even born back then. I don't get what's the big deal.

Posted by: bonnie at February 15, 2007 12:07 PM

[Revision]: I don't remember the Underwood character's occupation. But it required a degree!

Posted by: bonnie at February 15, 2007 12:09 PM

Disclaimer: I'm black.

I sorta liked DOAMBW (a little), although I couldn't relate. This sounds awful. If I were in a Tyler Perry movie, I'd be in one of his religious scenes, praying Gabrielle Union finds some good dramatic role sometime this century, because really, cute black women only seem to get to play the "cute black woman" parts.

Oh, and didn't anyone tell you? It's black history month. You are not allowed to say anything bad about anything black until March 1st.


Ya cot-dem cracka.

Posted by: that bees chick at February 15, 2007 12:24 PM

thanks, laughoutloud, for offering yourself up as a complete stereotype. i needed my dose of ignorance for the day.

"Humor, Swagger, Intelligence, Art, Language, Skin is beautiful and so many people want to have our feature our cultures and even our way of life."

i don't think i've laughed that hard in a while.

Posted by: wow... at February 15, 2007 12:33 PM

I don't know why I feel the need to comment on this but I feel I should.

Personally, I think that Tyler Perry has done a great job of living the American dream. He turned his life around and made great success for himself based on his plays and now his films.

With that said, I don't think his talent lies in film making. I think his movies would be much better if he collaborated with another writer. Someone who could help him fill out his characters and make them less stereotypes and more actual people.

I mean are all successful lawyers abusive asses or just the black ones? Are all blue collar workers kind Christians or is just the black ones?

Tyler Perry's strength as a writer is in the immediate response. His weakness is the fact that the characters and or the plot don't stand up to scrutiny.

There is a one demensional aspect to his characterization that leaves - for me at least- his films feeling unfinished and unsatisfying.

I think he should watch movies like Down in the Delta and Daughters of the Dust - just to name a couple- to get a sense of creating a fully rounded film. His initial plot points are strong but there is always a sense of them being underdeveloped. So we are left with a soap instead of a film.

This is where I think it would help him to collaborate. I think the reveiwer is right in Perry's ego being an issue for his films. I doubt he allows many changes or input from others. If he is collaborating with someone he should consider someone who will stand up to him or at the very least work more with the actors to get to the core of the character.

As for the race factor. I don't think race figures into this at all. I think if Tyler Perry were white, he wouldn't be reviewed any better because his films are fundamentally flawed in their presentation. Its like watching a movie based on a Saturday Night Live skit. Its great as long as its short, but without real characterization it just stretches on too long.

Oh and I guess I should go ahead and add the disclaimer that I am a black woman.

Posted by: cmoody at February 15, 2007 12:48 PM

Wow, the beginning of your review was so funny! It's the funniest thing I've read on Pajiba yet. The part about generating scabs of hate mail, and being frightened, hilarious! I can't believe so many were offended and angry about an unfavorable review of Tyler Perry's work.

His work and his Madea are quite beloved in the black community, and I've heard many a friend speak fondly of Madea (even quoting parts of "Diary of A..."). I read a Tyler Perry book, and found Madea to be superbly funny, however, I've never seen any of his films or plays.

With all of that said, I didn't read the rest of your "review" 'cause it was way too much of a synopsis. I'm not into play-by-plays, but I understand why you "reviewed" it this way (as you explained at lenghth).

For what it's worth, as a black female, I wasn't offended. It's neither here nor there with me. I could understand why others like laughoutloud and sansho1 were not pleased, but I think they would be less angry if they saw the humor in your previous comments about having wet socks, and coming close to a beheading!


Lastly, I have to say this, why is everyone so enchanted with Gabrielle Union? She is a TERRIBLE actress!!!!! I don't know why she gets work. As a black female, I think she is terrible and her smug face annoys me. Ever see her in "Deliver us from Eva", she can't act!(I'm yelling!) Give someone else a chance, please. There are plenty of black actresses in need of work. And if you have to go for the old standby, I'd much rather see a beautiful, talented actress such as Nia Long. Just my vote.

Posted by: Athena at February 15, 2007 12:53 PM

Judging by the previews, it would seem that the rapping blind date is Craig Robinson from The Office. Come on, give him some love -- he's a talented guy (despite this movie looking pretty bad).

I know that Tyler Perry had a lot of success with his stage plays before the movies, but in the world of film he's pretty new. I get it when Francis Ford Copolla sticks his name in the title of a film, but Tyler Perry? It just seems so obviously obnoxious to consider yourself a brand like that, right out of the gate.

Posted by: Stacy at February 15, 2007 1:19 PM

"Medea" is beloved in my community? Try tolerated. I accept that he/she has it's positive merits, but it's still too much minstrel show for me.

Posted by: ciji at February 15, 2007 1:25 PM

cece, at this point, are you just trying to start shit?

1) "Things that we deal with, and things that you have no idea about,and why the hell we can't have a predictable feel good movie?"

Just to clarify, do you mean that the reviewer has no idea about these things because he is white? Because in that case, you're an idiot. Do you think black people are the only ones who deal with poverty and violence? So, no white people, no latinos, no asians, only In the Black Community do these things exist?

As to "a predictable feel good movie", wouldn't you prefer to have a well-made movie? For instance, from a mostly black cast, and a black protagonist living in poverty and violence, what about "Hustle and Flow"? a fantastic movie!

2) "Bottom line-you had a problem with Tyler Perry before you even watched the film whiched made you bias."

No shit, he mentioned that in the first paragraph! But maybe the problem stems from Tyler Perry being responsible for some terrible movies! Pajiba is also biased against Paul Haggis, so, as a Canadian, should I take offence to that next time they review one of his movies? Hell no, I hated "Crash"!

The point of all my extended ranting being that you are welcome to disagree with the review, but don't suggest that it was given a bad review due to racial bias. I often like shitty movies simply because they are predictable and feel-good, but I am still aware that they are shitty.

Posted by: KDM at February 15, 2007 1:37 PM

I think I'm going to use the switching rule in all discussions of racism from now on. If we're in a totally equal society, switching the gender/race/sexuality/etc of a character would make no difference, right? And a misogynist/racist/homophobe would flunk the switching test, QED. So for those who claim that the reviewers would act TOTALLY DIFFERENT if the cast and crew were white, feel free to check out other reviews of bland, formulaic rom-coms on this site. Enjoy.

Posted by: eb at February 15, 2007 2:33 PM

It should be noted, before I even write anything, that I am a white male.

People who are upset by this review (or reviews of DOMBW) need to realize exactly what this reviewer typed, and that is that he is not in the target demographic. This movie isn't targeted to middle class white people like me, which is simply a reality. This reviewer, however, was given the task of reviewing a film that isn't intended for his demographic, and he has to simply do the best he can. However, I'd ask this: Would it be better if every movie targeted at African Americans was reviewed by an African American... or, for that matter, if every movie intended for teenage girls was reviewed by a teenage girl? That is an honest question: Would the people who are upset by Jeremy's review be happier if the movie was reviewed by an African American who wrote the same things he did (sans, obviously, the 'only white person in the theater' comment)... and if you say yes, isn't that slightly racist in and of itself?

Posted by: mrD at February 15, 2007 3:00 PM

As long as black people in the United States continue to defend crap just because its ostensibly "Black," we will continue to get crap. As long as we file out to see things that treat us like shallow idiots, we will continue to get treated ike shallow idiots. You can keep your "Soul Plane" and bitch about The White Man not Understanding Us while I go see the next piece starring Chiwetel Ejiofor. That is all.

Posted by: mac at February 15, 2007 3:06 PM

As long as black people in the United States continue to defend crap just because it's ostensibly "Black," we will continue to get crap. As long as we file out to see things that treat us like shallow idiots, we will continue to get treated like shallow idiots. You can keep your "Soul Plane" and bitch about The White Man not Understanding Us while I go see the next piece starring Chiwetel Ejiofor. That is all.

(Don't ask me how the typos got in there...*facepalm*)

Posted by: Mac at February 15, 2007 3:09 PM

I initially thought this looked OK from the first trailer I saw, where it was all, "parents and children and warmfuzzies YAY!" But it was the TV spot that made it look like some romantic comedy that turned me off.

Because, like eb, I hate those Julia Roberts/Brad Pitt/"Love is Nice" type movies. Which I think most Pajiba readers hate as well. Still, I do think that cece makes a good point. If we employed said "switching test," the movie would make ten times more and they'd hand Julia Roberts another freakin' Oscar. And here at Pajiba, the reviewer would still slam the movie. But the comments section would be free of all the white liberal guilt posts. (Full disclosure, self included.)

Posted by: Gudrun at February 15, 2007 3:12 PM

Can we use another example besides Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts?Because the one time the two of them played the romantic leads in a movie it was about as romantic as watching a brother and sister kiss each other. And as I recall that movie was universally panned as some of the worst tripe ever to hit the screen.

Posted by: cmoody at February 15, 2007 3:39 PM

Let met get some demographics out of the way first:
1. I'm Puerto Rican

2. Single dad with custody of two daughters

3. I'm 30 (but a dashingly handsome 30, if I do say so myself)

4. I have not seen this movie (but based on his track record, I can describe the plot with my tongue tied behind my back)

5. My fiance owns the entire Tyler Perry affliction, er, I mean collection.

Great Review, Mr. Fox. I think I speak with some authority when it comes to Tyler Perry. I was never a fan of his until my now fiance introduced me to the Madea character via the DVD of Madea's Family Reunion (the play). I can honestly say that I enjoyed the films comedic elements. It definitely smacks you over the head with a hot off the press copy of the Bible though. Nothing against organized religion, but I'll take my theology a la carte. I don't really need a spittoon full of "Amens" and "Praise the Lord"...I get it, they love them some Jeebus. Where was I headed with this? Oh yeah,....if you have seen one Tyler Perry play or film, you have pretty much seen them all. Black woman with low self esteem marries rich abusive black man, black man leaves/cheats on said black woman, black woman meets working class black Uber Christian with rock hard abs who wisks her away to a middle class life. You can sprinkle in some dysfunctional kids, cross dressing producers, and fugly co stars that can't act their way out of a paper bag, but it all turns out the same. And I have to agree, Tyler Perry hates him some successfull black men. Apparently the size of your bank account directly impacts the depravity in your soul. By my estimation Tyler Perry must keep a gaggle of retarded, starving Taiwanese children in his basement that he repeatedly assaults with copies of his plays as he proceeds to eat half of a meal and throws the rest into a garbage disposal. So, by all means, plunk down your hard earned money to see this film, but know this......for every ticket you buy Tyler Perry feeds a cute little bunny to rabid Koala bears.

Posted by: Manny at February 15, 2007 4:15 PM

Manny, that was great. I can't remember the last time I laughed so hard at something I read on my computer screen. Thanks for that.

Posted by: cmoody at February 15, 2007 4:22 PM

I'm not going to say my race or gender, because it has no bearing on what I'm going to say. But, when you call racism at every slight, you do in fact diminish the perception of real racism in the world.

For instance, Beyonce's dad claimed that the fact that she didn't win a Golden Globe was racist (depsite wins by Forest Whitaker, Eddie Murphy, Jennifer Hudson, etc.). Now does anyone believe that? Or is it more likely that she didn't win because she's a singer, not an actress, she was up against Helen freaking Mirren, or because, as this site so eloquently put it, Jennifer Hudson made Beyonce look like an old rag?


Crap is crap, no matter the color, and didn't you ever read the story of the boy who cried wolf?

Posted by: HSD at February 15, 2007 5:45 PM

Bravo, Manny and HSD.

Posted by: Lilly at February 15, 2007 6:09 PM

That's the problem with the rest of the world now, people don't want to focus on positive messages about God, family and successes of strruggles. If you have nothing positive to say then you should have stayed home because your ignorance about the message clearly shows, instead of spending so much time tearing it down try to draw what you can from it. If you know the Lord there are certain things you can get from it. I'm glad to see Tyler Perry's success and the beautiful path his life has taken since he was homeless, his films are inspirational and no matter how many imperfections there may or may not be the positive message is always there. Get some God in you and maybe you'll learn to appreciate some of the aspects of Perry's work and seeing the beauty in everything else in life despite color or creed!!!!! Have a good day.

Posted by: Shon at February 15, 2007 6:11 PM

judging from what you have on this site, you clearly don't know God, and you are extremely ignorant

Posted by: Dee at February 15, 2007 6:22 PM

Check out this song. It's great!
Should be on the soundtrack!http://www.thelittlegirlsong.com

It's by E. Walter Smith and Tatiana McConnico (American Idol)

Posted by: Terri Benson at February 15, 2007 7:16 PM

Thanks Lilly, I live but to serve the Pajiba. I don't know if the subsequent comment from Dee is directed at me, but I'll put my two cents anyway. As I stated earlier, I have no problem with organized religion (although that scene from Airplane with the solicitors gives me the warm and fuzzy). But I'll put this in as many monosyllabic words as I can (not counting monosyllabic)....... He no good film type guy. If someone wants me to, I'll be happy to send you my previously mentioned Tyler Perry "films". He conitinuously cross polinates the same jokes and plot lines in all his plays and, *cough*, films. Even my girlfriend, bless her heart, noticed this and she is a die hard TP (hee hee) fan. Now I'm in complete support of those who find happiness through their faith, church or hack director, but if you're going to take the time to put something on the silver screen, make sure it's something we haven't seen 6 or 7 times, m'kaaay? I'm pretty sure the lives of all African Americans (see, I can do politically correct)don't revolve around drugs, unemployment, and crack whores. Some of them don't even like crack. But I'm pretty sure they reproduce by laying eggs in the necks of the males and I think I remember something about having acid for blood.

Posted by: Manny at February 15, 2007 7:25 PM

Manny, I faithfully read the comments on this website, and they are almost all interesting and a lot of them are funny, but you get the prize for your description of what Tyler Perry must be like according to his worldview.

HSD, you are totally right about cries of 'racism' diluting the seriousness when there is actual racism at play.

Lastly, Shon, I do like to see uplifting, positive messages - I just don't like them told in a way that is insulting, and I don't think 'Drug dealers are bad for the neighborhood and their girlfriends who abuse their kids are bad too' is quite an uplifting message, anymore than a 15-second public service announcement. I don't want an uplifting message or a story about perserverance and triumph over adversity that whacks you over the head - I want one where the characters struggle a bit, have hard choices to make, and the right path is not always clear. You don't have to make a movie about kids ending up with their hard-working father versus a selfish girlfriend of a drug dealer for it to be 'uplifting.' In fact, it's the opposite for me - when I saw the preview for this movie, I was utterly depressed, and I threw up in my mouth a little bit.

Posted by: redhead at February 15, 2007 7:55 PM

I like to watch Tyler Perry's films for the campy good fun! The brother paints with such broad strokes, it's hard not to laugh.


But if you liked it a little better than his others I can wait to see it.

Posted by: Greer at February 15, 2007 8:23 PM

I knew when I came to the site and saw that there were 44 comments, just from earlier this morning, it was gonna be a good day. Pajiba commenters, particularly the random ones, are AWESOME.

Lastly, I have to say this, why is everyone so enchanted with Gabrielle Union? She is a TERRIBLE actress!!!!! I don't know why she gets work. As a black female, I think she is terrible and her smug face annoys me. Ever see her in "Deliver us from Eva", she can't act!(I'm yelling!) Give someone else a chance, please. There are plenty of black actresses in need of work. And if you have to go for the old standby, I'd much rather see a beautiful, talented actress such as Nia Long. Just my vote.

Athena, I do believe you're my long-lost sister. While I think Gabrielle Union is quite beautiful, I also think she's incredibly overrated. The reason she seems to get potentially "bitchy with a sweet heard of gold" roles? Seems to me that perhaps that's her niche? As in, I've never seen any particular range with her, not that I think she's a bitch (which I don't). I must agree that I find Nia Long the better actress. I realize it's difficult for minorities in the movie industry, particularly minority women. But that doesn't mean I prefer to see beautiful minority women with mediocre talent, either. Looking at you, Halle Berry.

Vermillion, I'll totally marry you! If only because I love your Pajiba comments! Though you may rescind your proposal based on my feelings regarding the talent of Halle and Gabrielle....

Posted by: Daphne at February 15, 2007 8:32 PM

"I too felt uncomfortable that the reviewer felt it necessary to note his presence as the only white man and to elevate his position to that of commentator on audience reaction as well as on the film."

Oh come on now, if the reviewer was the only black man in a theater full of white folks, don't you think they'd mention it, at least on this site?

This place is about honesty. I don't think he was putting himself above anyone. And if he was, it was because they were watching a movie he thought was dumb, not because they were black.

If you can't tell the difference between this review and actual racism, prepare for a lot of unnecessary static in your life.

I thought this review was one of the freshest in a long while.

Posted by: Vi at February 15, 2007 8:46 PM

I don't understand why people say that others just don't "get" Tyler Perry's humor because they aren't black. A terrible movie is a terrible movie is a terrible movie... you get the point.

For instance, I'm hispanic, but I don't find Carlos Mencia funny. For reasons I could write a book about, put simply, he's an awful hack that should crawl back in the womb and try again. I'm surprised black people are jumping to Tyler Perry's defense. Hey, let's make a movie including every formulaic stereotype of black people, same plot, same characters, same jokes. It seems he halfheartedly crafts his roles into caricatures of black culture. I liken it to the way Carlos Mencia creates caricatures of latin culture in an unflattering way.

I'm not saying Perry and Mencia are the same brand of humor, Perry is clearly the more talented of the two (that's not saying much.) They both exploit their respective cultures. Perry is trying to dupe the audience into buying his formulaic feel-good crap by tossing black stereotypes to what he knows are target viewers.

Posted by: Jessica at February 15, 2007 9:14 PM

I'm surprised black people are jumping to Tyler Perry's defense.

Hey now....let the record show that not ALL black people are defending his trite films. There are some of us, many I dare say, who have the sense to call a spade a spade. Some of them have made some fine comments. Just wanted to clear that up.

Posted by: Daphne at February 15, 2007 9:27 PM

Jeremy I'm so sorry you had to sit in a room full of back people just to review a movie. You can't go anywhere these days without some black people showing up. Just last week I took the bus into town and guess what, black people everywhere. My cousin had to go to the emergency room last week, and guess what. A black doctor tried to treat him. A black doctor, can you think such a thing. Next thing you know, some black person goin' to have the nerve to run for president.

Posted by: The Man at February 15, 2007 11:33 PM

Interesting review. I'll still see it. LOL.

Personally, I HATED Diary of a Mad Black Woman. I thought it was laughable, and the dialogue was terrible. I was disappointed, b/c it was a film I wanted to love and was looking forward to.

But Manny pretty much said it all. Perry has difficulty creating original characters. They all end up being stereotypes.
The religion aspect goes too far. Instead of it being a natural part of the characters lives, it's continually thrust in our faces and it feels more like a gimmick.

I think part of the problem is that Tyler Perry is so used to doing plays. I've seen a few of them, and they're very good. That melodramatic effect WORKS in that situation. However, in his films, it comes across as soapy and cliched. He has improved somewhat (Madea's Family Reunion was much better than Diary) but his plays don't transfer well to the screen.

Like I said, I'll see this film because Idris Elba is brilliant (yeah, I mean "The Wire) and Gabrielle Union does bring a certain charm to most films...except for Deliver Us from Eva. Shudder. That was painful.

This is a Black woman, BTW. ;)

Posted by: Brie at February 15, 2007 11:54 PM

Vermillion said: "So get out there and jack his car, so we can save his SOUL."

This made me laugh so hard my cramps went away. Thanks for that, seriously.

Posted by: Sharon at February 16, 2007 12:11 AM

To "The Man":

I think you're missing the point. If Jeremy had gone to a romcom and was the only male there, he would have made note. Same for a children's movie. The point is, the target demographic is not him.

I guess, having been born in the 80s, I don't get this black/white deal. Someone willing to explain?

Posted by: bonnie at February 16, 2007 12:28 AM

I am totally in love with manny. He make me lol

Posted by: Jamie at February 16, 2007 3:24 AM

This..is probably among the most entertaining lot of comments I've seen around here for a while. I have nothing to say that hasn't been said, and so Manny, Vermillion, I blame you both for mad gigglefits and I adore and thank you both..
With that, I resume lurking.

Posted by: the hel at February 16, 2007 5:30 AM

Bonnie I'm just trying to figure out for what reason does Jeremy have for telling us that he was the only Caucasian in the audience. I don't know how he would know this unless part of his job was to work the ticket counter. Even though he stated he set in the back of the movie theater. And please don't tell me about he was just saying he was not the target demographic. The reason the demographic line doesn't past the smell test is because fox assumes Perry strickly made this movie for black people only, thus the line about him being the only Caucasian in the theater. How insane would a black movie critic sound if in his review of a movie he wrote, looks like I'm the only black person here. On a personal note I don't even think Perry's movies are all that funny. I think I'm going to go online and read as many reviews of Perry's movie and see how many critics have the need to tell us what color they are. Bonnie do you have some black in you, would you like some black in...awww forget it.

Posted by: The Man at February 16, 2007 5:49 AM

To "The Man" - thanks for some great posts. To Bonnie - the problem here is a little thing called racism, which is often deeply internalised (especially by people who think people like me are worrying over nothing when it makes us uncomfortable that a middle-class white guy feels the need to point out that the people around him are not only black, they're stupid too). It wasn't over by the eighties, and it isn't over now - perhaps you should do some research on the history and the contemporary politics of your country.

Posted by: Smith at February 16, 2007 8:15 AM

So this is what Stringer Bell is reduced to? Sad

Posted by: Brian at February 16, 2007 11:15 AM

Vermillion - will Tyler Perry's apatment be replacing Mick Jagger's next season on ABC's "Lets Rob?"

Posted by: Brian at February 16, 2007 11:28 AM

To Daphne: I can forgive the Halle and Gabrielle remarks. May take a while, but I can forgive them. But Sharon did take note of my "jack his car" line, so you may have some competition.

To Smith, The Man, and the others who are uncomfortable with Jeremy's "white man in black audience" line:

I don't know how familiar you are with the site or Jeremy's previous forays into reviewing Tyler Perry movies, but that is the key to understanding why he felt the need to qualify his review with that statement.

The main complaint about his reviews (including this one) is that his race had something to do with his judgment on the movie. He did not make it an issue, commenters did. He was only trying to mollify the backlash he was going to receive (and did) by pointing this out, and showing racial bias as the BS excuse that it is. Maybe he was wary that the accusations were true, and his lack of color affected his relating to the movie. True, it shouldn't matter what color he or the audience was, but since previous dissenters brought it up as their main point of contention, he felt he had to address it. He felt he had to defend himself from people who would, from experience, target his skin color for assault. The sad fact is, the example of a black critic doing a similar action would sound insane, unless he was getting hate mail from white people saying how he shouldn't judge a movie because he couldn't possibly understand 'white culture'. Then it wouldn't sound so insane, would it? And as you can see in some of the comments above, there are those who rabidly jump to the defense of this movie, despite quality or lack thereof, just because of the race factor.

Also, I see no where in that review that he ever said the audience was stupid. While I myself may question the intelligence of anyone who actually buys into this film, I never got the sense that he was doing the same.

All in all, I don't feel that you are worrying over nothing. I agree that racism is still alive today, in many forms. I do not agree that Jeremy's line was racist, and in fact, was a response to racism perpetrated against him.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 16, 2007 11:52 AM

Well said, Vermillion, although I fear the subtleties of your explanation may be lost on some. Shame, really.

Posted by: AM at February 16, 2007 12:10 PM

To "The Man" and "Smith":

Perhaps I should clarify. I am not ignorant of racial issues in my country, but I was brought up to pay them no heed, and to treat everyone with respect. In fact, it wasn't until I came to my college (which is a mix of caucasian Americans/Europeans, Asians, African-Americans, Caribbeans, Hispanics) that I encountered racism. Sitting in chapel, a young caucasian woman began to speak about rap music (positively, mind you!) and the girl behind me muttered, "Shut up and start talking, cracker."

Gross. So, I guess that when I say I don't understand the black/white deal, I'm not being literal. I am just confused that it's STILL an issue and why some members of the urban demographic are quick to cry racism, when it's apparent within the ranks as well.

I'm not a hater, and I'm not a racist. I just think it's unfortunate that a movie should be defended solely because it's about black people and not because of its quality. Personally, I think some of the characteristics that Perry propagates are INSULTING to African-Americans, because they put forth the same stereotypes that we're trying to erase.

Posted by: bonnie at February 16, 2007 12:40 PM

Quote; "Perry will never be a great filmmaker, or probably even a good one."
Mr. Fox, comments like these is what makes Mr. Perry strive even harder to make critics like you look like a jackass. After all, he must of did something right, he got you to spend a dime on this "HORRIABLE" move. People like you are what make people like Tyler Perry strong and very successful. After all, everybody has heard of Tyler Perry, nobody has really heard of you except for this ridiculous website that you is allowed to have. "BOY, WHAT A WASTE!!!!!......"

Posted by: devette at February 16, 2007 1:57 PM

What I never understood about this film and it's ilk is that in order to uplift the black man, the black woman has to be utterly deplorable. The mother has to be a total witch in order for us to see a brother for the good man that his is? One or the other has to be bad, and two decent people cannot co-exist? When will there be a movie about black people where the people have layers, with both redeeming and less-than-stellar qualites, like movies with white people do? And by the way, there is a difference between movies about black people and 'black movies', but, unfortunately, too few filmmakers (black or white) have figured out the difference.

That is where Perry fails as a screenwriter for me. I agree with Brie that Perry has not yet learned to transfer his plays into screen plays. Broadness works on stage, when you have to reach the back rows, but in 2-D, sometimes less is more.

What's even more tragic is that more and more bad black movies are being written, directed, produced, and supported by black filmmakers. Many of them need to see "Dancing in September" and get a clue.

Posted by: ciji at February 16, 2007 2:06 PM

"Horriable" does sound a lot worse than just plain "horrible," doesn't it. I'm going to start using it.

Posted by: AM at February 16, 2007 2:18 PM

Well, first of all you've gotta know that when you see a Perry film, first off it is gonna be over the top. Over the top love, hate, drama, passion. That's Eau de Perry.

Secondly, to say that Perry will never write a good fim is a great pronouncement that is hitching your horse to the a little on the "over the top" bandwagon. It may not be your cup of tea, but he has the ability to connect with a fiercy loyal audience, critics be damned. And at the end of the day isn't that what entertainment is about?

This film lacked the spiritual message that I enjoy as a Christian, but it has some improved character development. I'm slightly annoyed that all the women are either Cruella Devil or Hail Mary Full of Grace -- but you gotta give Tyler credit-- he is consistent.

Overall I give the movie a B-. I enjoyed it-- was still a little hungry when I left, but certianly wasn't appaulled.

Posted by: ms mimi at February 16, 2007 4:39 PM

First of all, to any not African American stop trying to speak for black people if your are not black. That's rule number one, don't tell me what's insulting to a black race, because for some people its a reality, like the comment said earlier, if it were Brad and Angelina people would be raving about how inspirational it was. Second of all, I think Shon was calling the triumph of the struggles in the picture uplifting, if you weren't half as ignorant as you sound you would understand that for those of use who have gone through similar situations it is the reminder that GOD will come through in the end that helps us smile and realize and identify with having to go through darkness to get to the light at the end of the tunnel. Third of all, Manny, I don't know how to take your comments but you sound so IGNORANT, do yourself a favor and get some education, if you have some get some more, Lord knows you need it! You appear to embody so much ignorance that its scary, and I hope you don't have to learn the hard way that God is God and that will never change

Posted by: Tee at February 16, 2007 5:08 PM

Meanwhile he's stacking paper and you waisting your time bashing it, I'm sure he'll count your 2 cents at the end of the day...NOT

Posted by: Mike at February 16, 2007 5:14 PM

Tee, it is funny how you say someone should stop speaking about black people if they aren't black, yet in the next few sentences show your ignorance of not only the reviewer and this site, but for 'white' sensibilities as well. To say that Brad and Angelina would have made this picture an Oscar winner shows you really don't have much faith in the movie by its lonesome, and are only defending it because the characters are a few shades darker than normal.

As far as some people and their 'reality' is concerned, Tyler Perry left that behind long ago. In what 'reality' does a social worker give a hark-working man's three children to the girlfriend of a known drug dealer with no hearing? In what 'reality' does a successful black female attorney have to berate her male driver in order to make herself feel better? Please tell me what 'reality' this movie is supposed to show. It is theatrics. It is drama. It is emotion-manipulating, heart-tugging claptrap. It is soap opera level story on the big screen. To act like it is more than that, regardless of who is in it, is ridiculous.

If people find the movie uplifting, yay for them; but the movie should be uplifting regardless of who is playing in it. You make it sound like black people aren't allowed to be uplifted by a movie unless black people are starring in it, and that is pretty damn racist. Stop using your skin color to justify your own prejudices. Maybe you aren't racist; maybe you are just afraid to see that the world isn't as black and white (pun not intended, but welcome) as you or Perry would like it to be portrayed. In fact, in these very comments, there have been several suggestions for movies with similar messages about black people surmounting obstacles; have you seen them? Have you even noticed the referrals? Maybe there is something you are missing, but you are too close-minded to understand anything beyond what you are comfortable with.

Mike: Yes, he will be 'stacking paper'. But at least I didn't give him any to stack. I am not wasting my time, because I enjoy the bashing and the back-and-forth. It is therapeutic. And it is what this site is here for. And frankly, I don't care if he sees this. It seems to me that the only people here wasting their time are the obvious new readers who come here after Googling the movie and and beginning to rail against anyone who thinks the man is a bad filmmaker. It is apparent their attempts at 'conversion' to the Perry Gospel isn't working, but they try anyway. Maybe you should tell THEM to stop wasting their time here.

But really, do you want to support a director that doesn't care what his audience thinks, only takes their money and sits back, cackling at how he duped another million or so people into seeing his crappy movie?

Posted by: Vermillion at February 16, 2007 6:46 PM

I should amend the above comment: Tee never made a reference to the Oscars, so that line is inaccurate. I should say that her assumption that having white people doing the exact same movie would garner more critical acclaim is evidence that the movie by itself, race removed, is not that damn good.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 16, 2007 6:55 PM

".....The mother has to be a total witch in order for us to see a brother for the good man that his is? One or the other has to be bad, and two decent people cannot co-exist?"

You took the words right out of my mouth ciji. TP (hee hee) paints in such broad strokes it's like he doesn't think that his audience is smart enough to pick up on the nuances and deeper motivations of a character. They have to be spelled out in black and white (you like that one?) and plastered across the screen while Madea translates in sign language in a little bubble in the corner of the screen (rainbow, raiiiiinnnnbow). I swear to Jeebus this is going to be my last post on the subject.

Posted by: Manny at February 16, 2007 6:57 PM

okay. I'm white. And while I was reading this review, I thought, maybe I'm being paranoid, but it seems like he's judging it harsher because of the race thing. But seriously? Between this, the Norbit review, and the general smarminess of both of them compared to some other (truly shitty) movies reviewed on this site, I've come to the conclusion that there's definitely a superior undertone coming through. I would just like to know, to which "targeted demographic" do you find yourself in? I suggest American Pie 16: The Change. Please have someone else review the movies which you feel you don't understand in the future.

Posted by: eliza at February 16, 2007 9:08 PM

No Manny, don't leave!

Unfortunately, I think TP (LOL!) paints such broad strokes because those are the only brushes he has. And, even more unfortunately, he and other black men feel justified in their painting the black woman with one swish. Maybe because that's all they know, and those are the only type of black women they've encountered. But I can tell you, as a black, female, home-grown LA native, who's middle class, educated, and going pretty good financially, I see those images of angry, attitude-having, super-sassy, uppity, bourgie, stuck-up, and downright mean "independent black women" and I wonder (after I'm done shuddering) "Who *are* these women?" I'm not saying those women don't exist, but out of 20 million black women in this country, we can't all be the same angry bitch, can we?

TP (still funny!) and his work is symptomatic of either a massive media brainwashing (Good Times/Mama's Family/What's Happening/The Jeffersons/insert any black woman in a tv show/movie here anyone?) or a sweeping generalization based upon a traumatic adolescent experience. But then again, if I was dating Tyler and discovered he got his jollies dressing in drag as a gun-toting grandma at night, I might dump him, too. Sure, I'd be broke, but at least I'd have my dignity.

Posted by: ciji at February 16, 2007 9:36 PM

Eliza, I think Dustin actually did review the latest straight-to-DVD American Pie film. In a similar style. And he more or less ripped it apart. Sometimes, a bad film is just that - BAD. Certainly, what constitutes bad can be subjective. No one's fault that Norbit and this movie happen to fall into the bad category, of course.

Wait, that's not true - I blame Paul Haggis.

Posted by: Daphne at February 16, 2007 9:42 PM

But then again, if I was dating Tyler and discovered he got his jollies dressing in drag as a gun-toting grandma at night, I might dump him, too. Sure, I'd be broke, but at least I'd have my dignity.

I had to post a second consecutive time to give a big, fat AMEN to ciji's comment. I think a tear just came to my eye from the truthiness of this statement.

Posted by: Daphne at February 16, 2007 9:46 PM

I wanted to avoid prefacing this with an "I'm a black woman" disclaimer but since race was touched on in these posts I'm just gonna mention that I am black woman (who does not consider herself in TP's demographic...nothing against those who are) and I absolutely loathe Tyler Perry movies - my deep seated hatred however has less to do with his often flawed portrayal of of black men/women and situations and everything to do with personal taste. I am in complete agreement with those posters who said, a crap movie is a crap movie; I. don't. care. if Tyler Perry was poor and struggled and now he's a success or whatever. When I go see a movie it is with the hope that I will be reasonably entertained. The film maker's race, background, proclivities etc, mean squat to me. It is only if I have been entertained that the film maker becomes of interest to me in terms of making me want to see more from the same from him/her. - Cause it's all about me :). For those posters who thought Jeremy's review had shades of racism, I beg to disagree and please refrain from calling someone else ignorant just because their and yours do not mesh.

Posted by: rose no thorns at February 16, 2007 11:21 PM

Just because their and yours do not mesh.
Sheesh.

Posted by: rose no thorns at February 16, 2007 11:24 PM

Damn it - it happened again, I meant to insert "opinion"

Posted by: rose no thorns at February 16, 2007 11:26 PM

Tee's comment is REAL, racism and descrimination still exist, GET OVER IT

Posted by: dj at February 16, 2007 11:28 PM

Ignorance in case you didn't realize "ROSE" refers to Manny's prior comments, REREAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just got on this site and I can see that.

Posted by: Ten at February 16, 2007 11:31 PM

To Ten - Yes. Shon and Dee I believe, were responding to Manny's comments. Notice there's an and after I beg to disagree which is meant to denote two separate points. BTW *disapproving school-teacher voice* there's no need to yell.

Posted by: rose no thorns at February 17, 2007 12:07 AM

Well, I just have a few comments or observations.

Can us white boys understand black culture? Which one? If you mean black folks living in the US... why can't we? Sure, there might be some minutiae of the sub-cultural lexicon that we miss out on, but Jesus folks: this shit is not quantum theory. The truth is, in this mongrel stankpot of a country we call home, blacks and whites (particularly Southern whites) have way more in common culturally speaking than black Americans do with Bantus (and this is a very wide and diverse group itself) or white Americans with Europeans. We just see more differences because we are looking real close. Can the English understand Scottish culture? Are the Shona baffled by the Ndebele?

The discriminating factor in this country is money and while, yes, money is unevenly distributed along racial lines, it is the money and not the skin that is the real issue. Anyone who has ever lived in an area where people of various skin tones rub shoulders has experienced racism of one sort or another: so what. Welcome to the human fucking race. We are still the same butt-sniffing primates that started carving out an existence in Africa 2 million years ago, and our group instinct, which served us well for the vast majority of that time, has proven problematic now that we have grown larger... but haven't quite grown up. This is not to diminish our shared collective history of suffering and atrocity in the United States, but history is full of these stories: they are not special. Everyone feels that twinge of instinct creep up in us from time to time, but only the truly ignorant would base real decisions on it. There are many truly ignorant people, but a good bit are fairly bright as well.

Speaking of decisions, Jeremy decided, as a critic, that this film is not good: This movie is, in fact, bad, for all of the many reasons mentioned above, and not because the film-maker is black. For some rounded, complicated black American characters:
Denzel Washington in Inside Man
Samuel Jackson in Pulp Fiction
Laurence Fishburne in Deep Cover
Jamie Foxx in Collateral
Pam Grier in Jackie Brown
Angela Basset in several movies...
This could go on for quite some time. So I will stop here.

Posted by: Blue-Eyed Devil at February 17, 2007 6:56 AM

"A man in the row in front of me bellows, "Rip out her weave!""

Why are people in the audience consistently funnier than those onscreen? Hilarious.

Posted by: Samantha T at February 17, 2007 9:39 PM

Blue-eyed Devil, I'd also like to add nearly every performer in "Hustle and Flow" to your list of complex black characters.

Written by a white dude, by the way. John Singleton provided the financing.

Posted by: Samantha T at February 17, 2007 9:41 PM

Wow. What a thread. Many many brilliant comments have been made-- especially by Vermillion and Manny-- and by too many others to mention as well.

After reading through this thread all in one go, I am struck with one thing that stands out to me the most-- as the most racist series of comments in a thread full of irony.

These are the self-proclaimed (either through implication of context clues) black people who come on the thread, blast the reviewer for not understanding black culture, and call everyone who hates TP movies racist and ignorant. WOW. So evidently you folks speak for the entire black race? Black people, if they're black, must understand TP movies, right? Cause they're black. And all those black people think alike. Right?
Well I think that the numerous black people who have commented how much they dislike TP (either for his stereotypes or simply his BAD film-making abilities) must be very bad at being black then! (tongue firmly in cheek)
How dare you, Cece, laughoutloud, and the rest like you, claim to speak for the black race? (Pot, I think you know Mr. Kettle?) You speak for YOURSELVES. Just like I speak for -myself-, and Jeremy speaks for himself. And the black people who have posted their negative opinions of TP on this site also speak for themselves, and their opinions are fully as valid as your own. Moreso, in my opinion, as I find TP to be an utter hack who stereotypes and cheapens people because he is incapable of comprehending or reproducing complexity.
I'm not black, but I utterly despise it when people assume what I feel, believe, like and dislike based on my race, sex, religion, and taste. I imagine that if I were black, I'd still feel the exact same way. Cause, ya know, it's pretty much human nature.

Finally, for those of you who insist that if this movie had starred white people, it'd be a hit--if this exact same movie had been written, directed, and produced by a white guy, but everything else remained the same-- I think he'd be vilified as a racist. This is a shallow, one-dimensional, insulting take on religion and life.

Posted by: Ari at February 17, 2007 10:21 PM

is Tyler Perry insinuating that all successful women, including black women obviously, are bitches and all they care about is if a man has money and class? There's like no in between here, there's the bitchy successful lawyer "lady" and the ghetto drug dealer's girlfriend who's his ex-wife...and then there's the girls who adore their Daddy...who are innocent victims...

Posted by: paris at February 17, 2007 10:50 PM

there's nothing racist about my comment by the way, i just think the movie sounds more sexist then anything else...

Posted by: paris at February 17, 2007 10:51 PM

i just read all the goddamn comments and i have to say i am still laughing about "Eau de Perry"!!!
EAU DE PERRY thats fucking hilarious.

wouldn't it be fun to see what dave chappelle thought of the film (if he even saw it at all)?

Posted by: jessica at February 18, 2007 1:52 AM

"judging from what you have on this site, you clearly don't know God, and you are extremely ignorant
Posted by: Dee at February 15, 2007 06:22 PM"

Hey Dee, Religion or Intelligence. Choose one, because you can't have both.

Posted by: Candyapple at February 18, 2007 12:56 PM

Thank you Ari for putting those blacks in their place. How dare they speak their mind. You gotta love it when Ari tells black people that just because Jeremy didn't like TP's movie doesn't mean he's a racist. it just means that maybe TP needs to work on his game. By the way Ari, I love the line about Perry not being able to comprehend complexity,hmmm. See Ari, what you've just did is called signing someone's good white folk papers. But most of the time it's someone black who suppose to do the signing, thus the term signing someone's good white folk papers. Otherwise it's not much fun having two guys from the same race standing up for one another.

Posted by: The Man at February 18, 2007 3:15 PM

First, this site and the reviewers here, have proven that they can review films NOT pitched at their demographic. An review them positively.
See Winn-Dixie, Hustle and Flow, most of the animation stuff.

Second, the reviewers have disproved this silly idea that the only reason they thought a movie was crap was because the actors/writers/directors are black. And that had an Aniston/Barrymore/Garner starred in it, this would have been given a good review.
See Family Stone, Wedding Date, Music and Lyrics, et al.

Third, I actually thought this looked like a pretty good Lifetime movie. And I was going to look to TiVo it at some point.
It wasn't 'til I saw this review and it dawned on me that it was a movie movie.

(Sorry, I don't know how to make those movies "links")

Posted by: Sparker at February 18, 2007 4:38 PM

Shut up, Candyapple.

To the rest of you: I think it's legitimate to say that white people can't necessarily comment on black culture in America. Black culture is not the mainstream culture in this country (popular though lots of art made by black people may be), and white people are not immersed in black culture the way black people are in white culture. I also think it's a valid point to acknowledge that maybe if this film had been made with Jennifer Aniston and, I don't know, John Cusack, it might make more money than it has or will with black stars, as a story about black people.
One thing's for sure, though - it wouldn't have gotten a better review on this website. Pajiba hates the rom-coms. And there's nothing wrong with that, and certainly nothing racist about it. Those people who are calling Jeremy racist for (good lord) disliking a movie ought to be focusing their attention on a worthier cause.

For what it's worth.

Posted by: Miranda at February 18, 2007 8:18 PM

The Man?
It's not surprising to me that you utterly failed to comprehend a single thing I wrote, considering your own poor ability to construct a cohesive thought. I have a little time on my hands so I think I'll waste it (as I doubt you'll get this anymore than you got the first comment) trying to enlighten you.

The Man says "Thank you Ari for putting those blacks in their place. How dare they speak their mind."

Actually, if you go back and read what I said, I in no way shape or form say blacks shouldn't speak their mind. I clearly stated that some members of the race shouldn't pretend like they speak for -all- members of that race. Just like david Duke doesn't speak for the 'white man'. Then again, you probably think he does.

The Man said "You gotta love it when Ari tells black people that just because Jeremy didn't like TP's movie doesn't mean he's a racist"
Again, Pot, you HAVE met Kettle right? You two go way back, don't ya? So you're commenting derisively about me claiming that Jeremy isn't a racist while calling me one? This is called irony. That's your vocabulary word for the day. Write it on your hand.

The Man said "By the way Ari, I love the line about Perry not being able to comprehend complexity,hmmm. See Ari, what you've just did is called signing someone's good white folk papers."

HUH?

It doesn't matter to me what colour Tyler Perry is. What matters to me is that he -doesn't make good movies-. Not only that, but he exploits his alleged subject matter. Religion? Abused women? Family? He cheapens life by -sucking- the complexity from it like some kind of Hollywood vampire. If you like it, bloody fine, go love it for all I care. But don't go flinging the word racism at people who-- for reasons entirely unrelated to race!-- think he sucks.

Posted by: Ari at February 18, 2007 8:38 PM

This post is neither sarcastic nor in good fun nor, hopefully, prosyletising in any way.

I'm going to leave the review alone and speak directly to anyone who may have had a little fun mocking laughoutloud:

I recommend reading this essay by a dear friend and front page contributor at My Left Wing:

Young Black Male

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at February 18, 2007 8:47 PM

The Man, I seem to have some time to waste (and wasted I am sure it will be) so consider me baited. It comes as no surprise to me that you utterly failed to comprehend the things I said in my comment, as your own comment makes little to no sense. Still, I will do my best to address what you've said.

The Man: "Thank you Ari for putting those blacks in their place. How dare they speak their mind. "
I'd say you're welcome, only that's not remotely what I said. What I clearly stated was that no black person has the right to pretend to speak for all black people. Just like David Duke has no right to pretend to speak for 'the white man' (although I'd wager you believe he does). Plenty of black people have posted comments to this board, suggesting that they don't in fact like Tyler Perry. Maybe you should go argue with them about how they're not following your party line?

The man said: "You gotta love it when Ari tells black people that just because Jeremy didn't like TP's movie doesn't mean he's a racist. it just means that maybe TP needs to work on his game."

Uhm...your point? You don't...love...it? Oh I SEE! You must mean that anyone who doesn't like Tyler Perry has to be racist. Yeah I see where you're coming from now. We're not allowed to judge a man on his merit and abilities, we're only allowed to judge him based on his colour, and that also means that if he's black, we HAVE to like him...or else we're just a bunch of racists. Glad I understand you now.

The man said : "By the way Ari, I love the line about Perry not being able to comprehend complexity,hmmm. See Ari, what you've just did is called signing someone's good white folk papers."

Pot, you've met Kettle I think. You two go way back, don't ya?
See, 'The Man', this is called irony. That's your vocabulary word for the day. be sure to understand it well, because I think a lot of folks are going to be using it around you.
We have this thing called 'reverse racism' in this country. But I don't believe in it. To me, it's -ALL just racism-. And it's all disgusting.

Posted by: Ari at February 18, 2007 9:02 PM

Sorry about the double post, my browser did something bizarre and I thought the original didn't get posted, so I rewrote. @_@

Posted by: Ari at February 18, 2007 9:06 PM

I like that whole Pot you've met Kettle line, it's so witty. Not many people can pull it off. Ari did you really mean to say that in TP's movies he cheapens life by sucking the complexity from it like some kind of Hollywood vampire, easy big fella. Now TP also has the job of making sure that life and all of it's complexities are played out on screen. Now you see why Black film makers have to be twice as good as there counterparts just to be accepted. Then and only then will they win your approval,nice. Ari, I can't believe you went midevil on my ass and pulled out the David Duke card on me. Irony, does that mean something that's been ironed to much or something that has the quality of Iron.

Posted by: The Man at February 18, 2007 10:18 PM

Just a quick note-

I am the lucky woman that shares a life with MANNY, and thought that those of you who may deem him "ignorant" or "racist" in defense of TP (good one babe) might enjoy knowing that he-

1. PURCHASED the ENTIRE Tyler Perry collection for me--all on his lonesome.

2. Has viewed EVERY ONE of those videos...and laughed throughout each one of the plays (I'll admit it, in general- TP movies SUCK)

3. Has quoted TP productions on more than one occasion (but technically is actually quoting the movies that TP (never gets old!!!) took the lines from i.e. The Color Purple. I wonder if TP would even have a career if not for Miss Sofia getting the stuffing beat out of her?

4. Was just as star struck as I was when we were in line behind TP at Roscoe's house of chicken and waffles in Hollywood.

5. WILL ACCOMPANY HIS TWO YOUNG DAUGHTERS TO VIEW THIS FILM--I assure you of that.

6. Viewed (and enjoyed) Godzilla-Final Wars. A film produced sometime within the last ten years, but whos special effects really don't surpass the old Davey and Golliath show. So his taste in movies may be bit skewed.....or he could be a genius.


All of that said, I have to agree (and giggle) with this man-o-mine. TP movies are predictable, and tend to contain a bit too much Baby Jesus for even my taste.

Posted by: The Fiance at February 18, 2007 11:44 PM

I really enjoyed what Manny had to say, because I totally agree with him. My mom (a white German/Jewish woman) loves Tyler Perry (TP! Stop it, people!), and I've found myself sitting through his movies and plays even though I probably would not choose to otherwise. I find his plays to be very funny, and I really laughed hard at DOAMBW, but I totally agree that Perry's characters lack depth of any kind, and Madea actually totally annoys the snot out of me.

Also, if you look up Jeremy's other reviews, he rarely delivers a favorable review. He does not pander to white actors and directors just as he does not for black or Asian or any other race that you can think of. Anyone that would accuse him of being racially biased in his reviews is doing exactly what they're accusing him of and not researching their opinions.

Posted by: zambonigirl at February 19, 2007 1:36 AM

Again, for what it is worth:

"I think it's legitimate to say that white people can't necessarily comment on black culture in America. Black culture is not the mainstream culture in this country (popular though lots of art made by black people may be) , and white people are not immersed in black culture the way black people are in white culture"

This implies that black people as opposed to any other skin tone are special and that other folks are somehow too thick to comprehend another viewpoint or culture. As if a life is so far removed from our own that we can't possibly understand. It is this sort of bullshit (as in belief over reason) that perpetuates ignorance. We are all running the same operating system, we just have slightly different programs. I have lived Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Cambodia, Atlanta, Minneapolis, and Long Beach, California. I am a child of the South. Born in New Orleans, raised in Mobile and lily white, if that means anything: the assertion that I can't understand is offensive. I don't pretend nor have I ever tried to be an insider. I am a product of my upbringing, my genetic predispositions, and my experiences. I don't need to be an insider to understand: nothing is that complicated, different, or, again, special.

Posted by: Blue-Eyed Devil at February 19, 2007 2:03 AM

"...and are only defending it because the characters are a few shades darker than normal"
I think you just showed your true colors Vermillion.

Posted by: Ann at February 19, 2007 7:45 AM

The Man Speaks! "Ari did you really mean to say that in TP's movies he cheapens life by sucking the complexity from it like some kind of Hollywood vampire, easy big fella. Now TP also has the job of making sure that life and all of it's complexities are played out on screen."

Yep. I sure did. And here's where you go wrong again and again. You, as have a sparse few other people on this board, posit that we white folks just love all white folks movies. As long as they're white and star Julia Roberts or some such other good ol' white girl.

BS. Total BS. Let me explain it in very simple language, for you. For a movie to be -good-, whether is is made by a Japanese, Korean, Iranian, Frenchman, or American of any colour, it needs to have some value, to keep it from being vapid and empty, or worse still, life-sucking. Complex character portraits, complex issues, character depth, story depth, moral messages with depth. If Tyler Perry can't accomplish these things in his movies, I toss him right there in the huge pile of directors and producers of all ethnicities, races, nations, and backgrounds who also suck. So here is the simple point that I believe everyone, from Jeremy to every other person who has claimed to dislike DLG, has been trying to make.
The movie sucks because it is bad. Many of Julia Roberts's movies suck because they are bad. Titanic sucked because it was bad. It has nothing to do with the colour of anyone's skin, nor their ethnicity, culture, or any other factores beyond their understanding of how to tell a good story.
So while you seem to be pointing out that I/we are putting too much of a burden on Tyler Perry and requiring that he, because he is black, be socially responsible, complex, or posses some talent, let me explain to you one last time that that is pretty much what this site says about EVERY movie and EVERY director.
You've made some pretty despicable assumptions about the people who don't like TP, assuming again and again that it's because he's black that we do
so. For the last time, WRONG. If you still don't get it, I don't think there's much more I can say to you.
BTW, I'm female, big fella.

Posted by: Ari at February 19, 2007 12:08 PM

What's all this row over racism over ppl?

Posted by: Jean at February 19, 2007 12:35 PM

Ari, are you telling me that the only way you can enjoy a movie is that a movie has to have every single character showing every single human complexiety. Are you kidding me, wow, you sound like a barrel of fun to go to the movies with. So I guess porn is out of the question for you then.

Posted by: The Man at February 19, 2007 3:31 PM

Um...I, for one, am sick and tired of all this talk about 'black culture'. Excuse me, but drug dealers, gang bangers, dumb ass baby mamas and good men with past legal issues are NOT just 'black culture' folks. That. Is. Poor Culture. I'll let you in on something else too. There is no such thing as 'soul food' either. (smile) You're confused, I know. But um...ALL country folks eat fried chicken with lots of cheap seasoning like salt and pepper. Why? Cause damn it, it's cheap. Country folks eat chitterlings ('Chitlins') too, maybe not with hot sauce but country hispanic and white folks do. I've actually met real live ones that told me so! Geez, get out of your neighborhood and meet people other than those that look and sound like you. Broaden your sense of humanity. But I digress...I've never really been that fond of any of Tyler Perry's Madea plays or movies. They're only good for mindless entertainment, which is fine and has it's place. His successes are that he does strive for a positive morale or esteem in everything I've seen and his steadfast religious overtones. His failures are dealing with emotional subtleties, ridiculous stereotypes, predictable plots, imperceptible timelines, 'violence solves everything' ideology (I kept thinking --Call the police!) and underdeveloped characters. Mostly though, I think that his failures onscreen are because he is well versed as a playwrite and clearly doesn't understand the difference between delivering a story onstage vs onscreen. What is sad is that I think he's a smart man who is cashing in on making caricatures of his own people and probably won't strive for anything better. I'm tired of John Singletonish crap. I want good movies by good black directors about various stories that star good black actors and actresses. Something that doesn't scream 'Black Movie' from either it's title or storyline or worse...disgusting lines infused with the inevitable crappy racial/ghetto jokes. I mean damn, who's it gonna be when Spike Lee is too tired or dead? I don't know a whole lot about what non-mainstream directors are out there but I hope they exist and get to shine. That is all.

Oh..I'm an angry black woman...teehee

Posted by: Tamara at February 19, 2007 4:28 PM

I hope I'm not too late to jump on this thread here, but for starters:

Ari, I find it disheartening to see you attempt to dignify "The Man's" arguments again and again with posts that are consistently well thought-out, articulate and intelligent. I mean seriously, the best the guy could come up with is, and I quote: "Irony, does that mean something that's been ironed to much or something that has the quality of Iron." ?!?!?!?!?!

At this point, I really think he/she IS, in fact, baiting you. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be some bored person who thought it would be fun to fuck around with people and stir up trouble on the Pajiba comment threads. Really. His/her rebuttals are so incoherent, nonsensical, and just plain whack that try as I might, I can't take them seriously.



And Blue-Eyed Devil: Loving your posts. You sound hot, =).

Posted by: monkey_b at February 19, 2007 8:18 PM

monkey_b, what are you a narc or something.

Posted by: The Man at February 19, 2007 11:24 PM

To Ari: The missive left you by The Man ("Are you kidding me, wow, you sound like a barrel of fun to go to the movies with. So I guess porn is out of the question for you then.") had me giggling.

Ya know, I have friends who complain about me not being any fun, because I hate going to 99.95% of the romcoms/chickflicks in the theater. And guess what??? Almost ALL of them star white folks. I am a movie snob...but an equal-opportunity snob. I am just as unlikely to plunk down my $6.50 (or more) on a Julia Roberts/Jessica Alba or Biel/Lindsay Lohan flick as I am to a Tyler Perry flick.

I will concede this: I do not understand certain aspects of urban culture, and therefore, some of the humor is going to be lost on me. Touche. This does not mean, however, that I am entitled to like it or trust that it is a good movie, especially if I am to believe that all successful men are abusers and all working-class men are honest and God-fearing. It just doesn't work like that. Stereotypes are stereotypes.

One last point, if you'll indulge me: a man who dresses up in a fat suit and skirts is not likely to win my affections (this includes the Madea series, Norbit, AND Mrs. Doubtfire). Therefore, when said man cracks woman jokes, I think to myself, "What the hell do you know about being a woman?" It seems like there's some sexism mingled in there as well...but I'll save my rant. :)

Posted by: bonnie at February 19, 2007 11:30 PM

*and when I said "you" it was general and not just to Ari.* I hate being vague.

Posted by: bonnie at February 19, 2007 11:33 PM

I'm typically easy to bait @_@
In truth, I've gone to see one movie at the theatre in the past 2 years-- Pan's Labyrinth. So no, I don't think I qualify as a barrel of fun to go to the movies with either.
I'm going to stifle my verbosity and just say that I thought Tamara hit the nail on the head with her comment.
For those who think that a white person cannot comprehend a 'black movie', try watching "Farewell my Concubine" for a truly baffling cultural experience. The most awesome thing about movies, to me, is that they are capable of illuminating things that are completely foreign to their audiences. As I believe Tamara said, cultural differences do not depend on skin colour and race, in America, so much as geography, family, individual histories, finances, etc etc. I welcome movies that can enlighten me about things that are foreign to me, but race is often a correlation to differences, not a causation.
Well, I've already typed a lot when I meant to be brief, but there's one more thing I wanted to say. Tamara, I agree so completely with you. I too want to see movies that aren't 'black movies' but are about black people, made by black people. I think the day is coming when every culture in America will be able to have a voice through movies, thanks to the growing accessibility of the 'moviemaking' process. It's getting cheaper and easier, thanks to digital technology. Heck, recently I saw a movie made by Inuits! There's a great movie called "Smoke Signals" which isn't so much a Native American movie as it is a movie made by Native Americans, about Native Americans. Maybe it's a bit premature and idealistic to say, but Hollywood is losing some of it's grip.
I guess what it comes down to is there may be people who like Tyler Perry, but for those who want more from their movies, I think more will be coming.
Alright, I failed to stifle myself so I'll stop there.

Posted by: Ari at February 20, 2007 10:41 AM

Maybe I'm jumping in a little late on the "racism omgz" thread, but I *completely* agree with blue eyed devil. The idea that one person can't understand another person because of race (or, for that matter, gender or economics) is, in my opinion, just another way of perpetuating the "separate but equal" argument, but where the barriers between us are skin and assumptions about culture as opposed to institutionalized racism. (Although I realize that exists, still, too. I'm not completely naive.) When we start taking people as people, and not as what we see or what we assume they can (or cannot understand) about our own life, then I think we'll be a lot closer to understanding. I think Tamara said it first and a lot better, but it seems like what Tyler Perry is creating is caricatures rather than people.

(Although, from what I've seen of the movie, any kind of peace love and understanding wouldn't save Daddy's Little Girls from being utter and complete crap.)

quoting Tamara: "I want good movies by good black directors about various stories that star good black actors and actresses. Something that doesn't scream 'Black Movie' from either it's title or storyline or worse...disgusting lines infused with the inevitable crappy racial/ghetto jokes. I mean damn, who's it gonna be when Spike Lee is too tired or dead?"

Awesome. You hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Posted by: Jen at February 20, 2007 12:02 PM

First of all, today's discussion has been both engaging and entertaining, possibly moreso than the review itself (no offense to Mr. Fox, to whom we are indebted for prompting the topics of debate).

I have several rebuttals, but I've spilled enough ink in my day job this afternoon and lack the energy needed to defend myself from the inevitably wrath I'd incur from the likes of laughoutloud and cece.

(As an aside, I'm floored that laughoutloud chose to spell out what is possibly the most common of internet abbreviations - one that has virtually lost meaning in its fully-lettered form- after showing blatant disregard for, or ignorance of, syntax and spelling).

Oh, and Gabrielle Union was great once in her career, and her brilliant scene plays thusly:

Bianca Stratford: See, I think there's a difference between like and love, because while I like my Skechers, I [I]love[/I] my Prada backpack.

Chastity (Union): But I love [I]my[/I] Skechers. [furrows brow, genuinely puzzled]

Bianca: That's because you don't [I]have[/I] a Prada backpack.

Chastity: [without irony or sarcasm] Ohhhhhh.

Also, if my HTML tags didn't work, this post is going to look quite silly.

Posted by: Becca at February 20, 2007 5:05 PM

Also

Chastity: I know you can be under whelmed, and you can be overwhelmed, but can you ever just be, like, whelmed?

Bianca: I think you can in Europe.

Ten Things I Hate About You - one of my favourite movies.

Posted by: rose no thorns at February 20, 2007 7:05 PM

Rose- another great bit of dialogue. Picking a favorite exchange would be like choosing between my (proverbial, not actually in existence) children.

Also, I thought underwhelmed was more colloquialism or semi-ironic slang, as opposed to an actual term. Are you in the know as to its official status? I'm genuinely curious. Pressing question, right?

I'm totally bringing this issue up at my next bi-weekly grammar meeting.

Posted by: Becca at February 20, 2007 7:12 PM

*Cracking nuckles*

What the hell happened to this thread? It started off as some of the most intelligently written and hilarious commentary this side of me but then suddenly devolved into what can only be described as the blog equivalent of a bowel movement set to "bullet time"....I find it ceaselessly amusing that there are those out there that can't see a crappy director because of skin color. Crap comes in all colors people: green, brown, black (God I hate curry), yellow (don't even ask), green, red (I REALLY hate curry), and Tyler Perry. I think TP (yeah, i said it beeyawtch) knows that his directorial skills rank somewhere between an autistic child with a paintball gun and Uwe Boll on ecstacy. TP however, hides behind his plays, community involvement, and prosthetic boobs. I could accept his film efforts if he didn't try to pretend that his movies are anything more than extended episodes of a WB com-drom. Unfortunately, this is not to be. As long as his fans continue to praise his films as uplifting, heartwarming, makes me wanna go out and there and hug a crackhead feel good movies, he'll keep making em. Now don't get me wrong, as my loving fiance posted previously, I have watched his plays and enjoyed them when they were funny and frantically dove for the "skip button" on the dvd remote when they broke into song. Now those of you that take my comments to mean that I have something against gospel, so be it. I, however, do not. I simply prefer to spend my movie going experience doing just that: watching a movie, not a 3 minute vocal test done by a lady in a wig that has got to be the bastard child of Cousin It and that red haired monster from the Marvin the Martin cartoons. With that said, I take my leave of this thread and move onto more important issues: Oh my GAWD, I like totally just saw the new pics of Brittany Spears! She is soooo brave and some junk for rejecting her hair and stuff!!! I love you BS!!!! Hey, "BS" and "TP".....coincidence or divine providence? I'll take your calls next.....

Posted by: Manny at February 20, 2007 7:28 PM

The thing that I find the most interesting and disturbing about these comments is not that negative reviews of Tyler Perry's films generate hate mail. Plenty of hate mail has been sent by the fans of Clay Aiken towards people who dared to criticize their dreamy idol - a fact I find far more boggling.

What worries me is that criticism of a Black filmmaker's work imeddiately summons forth outraged accusations of racism. What about the American Pie films then? What about John Tucker Must Die? Are the Pajiba critics rabid teen-haters? As for hating the oevre of a particular director, I hardly think that Tyler Perry received one third of the vitriol that has been piled (partially unfairly, I think) on, say, Paul Haggis. Are the critics Scott-haters? Or do they despise sausage? (come on - Haggis?! Seems obvious to me).

Accepting the incontrovertible truth that Blacks are as capable of genius as Whites (or Asians or Latinos or...), we should also accept the unfortunate truth that all these groups, all people, in fact, are capable of incompetence, hackery and idiocy.

This is the biggest underlying problem of race discource in America today (and for the last decade or so). Louis Farrakhan is a hero (at least to some), but a white man who dares in any way to criticise anything or anyone black is a racist cracka. It's cheap, it's counter-productive and it offends thinking blacks and whites alike. As for Mr. Perry, it's entirely possible to address the numerous issues specific to the Black community without resorting to cheap melodrama and pan stereotypes. I might never fully understand the samurai code that has been imprinted on the national consiousness of Japanese people, but I know that Seven Samurai is a brilliant film. By the same token most people know crap when they see it. With or without sociological subtext.

Posted by: Lolly at February 20, 2007 7:39 PM

Well put, Lolly.....makes me wanna hug a crackhead.

Posted by: Manny at February 20, 2007 7:51 PM

Hey Manny, how about we hug a crackhead while stealing TP's car?

You know, to save his SOUL.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 20, 2007 9:43 PM

Cramps never came back. Glory, Vermillion, you put a healin' on me!
*raises palms*
Testify!

If there's a St. Vermillion icon air freshener, my rearview mirror is ready to bear witness.

Posted by: Sharon at February 21, 2007 10:22 PM

Ummm...I just would like to say that it has been a privelege and an honor to exchange missives with the extraordinary people on this message board. I regret to inform you all that I have just copied my original blog on Daddy's Little Turds, I mean Girls, on the Tyler Perry official webpage. I don't know how much longer I have to live, but I would like to say to Vermillion, HSD, Lilly, and Lanky that it has been a plea....Hello? Who's there? Hey man, look it's a free country all right!! Hey, no, come on man put that down, let's discuss this like..OW!! Hey! God damn sonofa- OW! Look, his movie's are crap man, crap!!!.... Oh yeah?! I did 6 years in Catholic school, bitch!! Hey, where'd you come from?? Damn, you're a big chick.....what are you? a deuce and a half? Hey!! What are you...MMFFGFFUKKKGGG.....I can't brea....YUGDDMSNVABSH********

Posted by: Manny at February 23, 2007 6:41 PM

Oh thank god you went to the Commons. I hate the Fenway 13.

Posted by: Christ[in] at February 23, 2007 9:18 PM

How did this go from a review of a shitty movie . . . to full on arguments about race? A shitty movie is a shitty movie . . . period. End of discussion.

Posted by: Just Wondering . . . at February 24, 2007 8:26 PM

I was going to comment on the movie, but then I began reading all the comments left by you Pajibans, and well, I became rather frustrated.

In concurrence with Just Wondering above me (and others), I don't understand why this becomes a race issue. To anyone who claimed that this review would be different had the movie been made by people of different color, I have a little message for you: Pull your head out of your ass. Wake up. If a movie sucks, it's not because of someone's COLOR. I would think that if you are a reader of Pajiba, you'd understand by now what makes a movie decent; I don't recall "race" ever being criteria. For Christ's sake, stop being so bitter toward "white people". It's sad that in 2007, we STILL can't try to let this race issue go.

Posted by: Alyssa at February 24, 2007 11:52 PM

"Humor, Swagger, Intelligence, Art, Language, Skin is beautiful and so many people want to have our feature our cultures and even our way of life."

'Lordy, it's jes wunnerful being black ya'll'. Sterotyping at its most ironic.

Perhaps some time spent in a more forward thinking country like mine would help - one where culture is shared. I'm grateful to not live in yours.

Posted by: WandringSoul at February 26, 2007 12:24 PM

Why do people use 'Latino' in a racial way? Bizarre.

Posted by: squog at February 27, 2007 2:37 PM

"Why do people use 'Latino' in a racial way? Bizarre.
Posted by: squog at February 27, 2007 2:37 PM"

That should be extremely obvious to you by now, squog. It's because so many people can't stop confusing culture with physical traits-- in other words, race.

Posted by: Ari at February 28, 2007 6:13 PM

I did have points to make (mainly the fact that it was the "male" part of "the only white male" line in the review that struck me most - not a sexism comment just that I feel bad for Jeremy having to review a movie that is essentially Valentine's Day sap) but they are mostly gone as while reading the posts above I gradually came to realise that I'm not qualified to comment on the movie or the review because I couldn't possibly understand it...

(I wonder, as a white woman am I able to understand it more or less than a white male? Hmmm maybe studies should be performed.)

Anyway, the comments section in general has left me with only one overwhelming (or maybe just "whelming" I am European) desire and that is this: That it were only possible to give high fives via computer. Ari and Manny: you are my new heroes.

That is all.

Posted by: Alex The Odd at March 1, 2007 9:08 AM

For a good laugh:

www.tylerperry.com

Check the message boards and amid the "Tyler, you so crazy"'s and "You are a tool (lol!) for God"...you'll find my special brand of tough love. However, be advised that any comments you leave on Daddy's Little Girls that do not include a mention of your parapalegic mother dragging herself to the theatre through broken glass in the rain to see the movie will qualify you as needing Jesus in your life. West Side!

Posted by: Manny at March 2, 2007 11:57 AM

I am not surprised by anything that comes out of this white boy's mouth or from his pen. The fact that he "had" to let us know that he was not part of the targeted demographic said enough for me. He went into the movie biased, plain and simple. I agree that the race of characters will not guarantee a good movie or review, but I can bet money that the review would not have been as DEGRADING if the characters were white. Please read between the lines of what this guy said when he started. He was dogging Tyler for stereotypes but was using plenty of them himself.

I saw this movie. Its no " Raisin in the Sun", but I was ok with that. Its entertainment- plain and simple. I would like for black folks in particular, to understand that its certainly okay to be serious and make films about issues that impact our community AND its okay to laugh at ourselves---hard sometimes. I have a Master's Degree and make over 150K a year, was raised in a middle class family, yet when I see a Tyler Perry movie I take it more for its intent than for all the cinematic concepts that "should" be in place. I did not sign up to be a film reviewer. Like with Pursuit of Happiness, I was happy to see a black man portrayed as a loving father. The horrible mother ( played by Tasha Smith) is real for many children in this country and abroad. Common sense should tell anyone with even a 2nd grade education that all black women are not bad, neglecting mothers, but there are some out there--black, white, latino, asian,etc. Deal with it.

I didn't hear this much bad-mouthing when Soul Plane or Hustle & Flow( a pimp with a dream, give me a break!!) came out and they should have been banned from all theaters and never seen the light of a later sold DVD--yet BET plays Soul Plane all the time.

I think some of you guys need to get a grip and get a life. It is really not that serious. We have MANY more pressing issues that need our energy and intelligience than fighting over some random white boy's racist rant styled as a film review. Remember what Martin Lawrence said about film reviewers in RUNTELDAT. ;)

Posted by: Candice at March 6, 2007 3:49 PM

Candice,

Thank you for taking the time to voice your opinion on this little slice of Heaven called Pajiba. I do however find it disturbing that you think the reviewer of this film is a racist. If I had been the only "latino" in a theatre full of black people, I would have made mention of it if only to emphasize the point that I was definitely not the target audience of the movie, and could present a more objective look at the film as a whole.....a whole piece of turd, that is.

In my humble opinion, Mr. Fox's review of the film is just what this site advertises...scathing. If a white, yellow, brown or red man had directed this film with the same half-assery that Tyler Perry is known for, it would have gotten the same treatment. Taken from a purely cinematic perspective and not taking into account any social commentary, Tyler Perry's body of work is largely derivitive, pedantic, and preachy. Coupling that with a flair for recycling the same racial stereotypes, marginalizing women, and the same message (yeah we get it, drugs are bad, blue collar workers are all Uber Christians, and the more money you make the bigger asshole you are)over and over again is a recipe for a crappy movie.

And come on, to site a Martin Lawrence bit about movie reviewers as a litany AGAINST racism?! The guy hasn't made a good movie since...well, ever.

As far as Soul Plane and Hustle & Flow go: Soul Plane was an abysmal piece of cinematic offal that should have been abored faster than Britney Spears' next kid. And Hustle was only saved due to the Herculean efforts of Terrance Howard.

Posted by: Manny at March 6, 2007 6:52 PM

There is a lot of things that come to my mind after reading this review. However, before I continue on with my memoires, I must tell some things about myself. I am a young interracial (black and white) female. I know and understand both sides of my heritage. Not only that but I am proud of it. I understand the simplicity, quality and luxury of "being white". With that, I know the struggle of "being black". This critic that wrote this is ignorant of both, and that is fine, but if he wants to have anything to say about anything that has to do with anything he has to at least understand that aspect. I understand his "points" to the sense that I can tell he is a republican.
I watched this movie last night and I enjoyed it completely. If you'd like to know why it is because I can relate. Now, what this critic has failed to miss when tainting Monty's mindstate. There are 'codes', in the "hood" that people with this knowledge and circumstance live by. 1) We DO NOT INTERFER WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSONAL ISSUES. Even if some would be interested in knowing, either interfereing could get you killed or you have more issues in your life that matter enough (like something as simple as surviving) would keep people like myself oblivious to others. Also, has this critic ever been in a state of shock? I doubt it. From personal experience, I know that shock can make anyone irrational. I for one tried to walk with my bones hangin out my legs. Back to my point, had he ever been in a state of shock, he would have witnessed or experienced true pain and/or struggle. And note, the comment about black history month- Let's not go there! (As this critic went through the movie with a pen and pad, so did I with his commentations). Is he trying to use urban slang such as 'Hootchie'? And about Perry adding "a thousand complications", thats how real life is for most of us! Let me remind you this is a movie! Scary ass! Did you really crawl under your seat when the crowd went wild in laughter about the 40 year old rapper? Hmmm... Is anyone ever as rude as Julia? You're lucky you're white or your feelings would be hurt! I've been treated that way and I can pass for damn near any race if I wanted to. Furthermore, one can easily tell by his comments about Social Services that he has never had any real domestic problems, I'm referring to the ones that exceed drinking. Or a broken home, for that matter. Of course, this critic wouldn't understand the comment about needing help from Jesus and two white people. No, he was not implying that Jesus is white, he was implying the control white people have. How do you like that? Oh my lord, he has probably never scraped his knee! Get this: "It's nice how the characters are so simply and consistently good or evil." Humh! Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly is to the bone! In Jennifer's mind, telling her daughter she had to come up with her own hustle was her way of preparing her for Jennifer's source of reality. This is the same reason why Jennifer can't understand how she could have ever been with Monty. You see, with whatever has happened in the past, the only thing she witnessed or experienced in her life as a good living was relating to dealing dope. Ever heard the saying "The nice guy always finishes last"? This is how she sees it, I know, I was this person, too. Her fairytale dreams were crushed with her reality and it changed her for the worst. Not the same woman that could possibly have made those babies with Monty, as one could tell by his character. I must also point out that Perry's movies are insipirational and motivational. They are meant to reach people. Honestly, it turned out to be better than I expected. The name made it sound sappy, but I knew it would be motivational. It is good because it gives people hope. For others, it is a lesson. It wasn't necessarily made for black people, it was made for who can relate. At the end of this review, he states that Terry will never be good. Well guess what?! The movie theaters are still packed and even though this critic doesn't think it will go far, I know it will.

Posted by: Nita at March 12, 2007 12:59 AM

Nita, I have got to assume that you must either be under extremely large doses of pharmaceuticals that are not out of the testing phase. Your arguments are poorly constructed, and lack the coherence that even a 3 yr old child can muster up while in the grip of a gummi bear sugar rush. So you are most definitely a fan of Tyler Perry, of that there is no doubt.


You speak of "codes" of behavior in the "hood" as it were something to be proud of. Not interfering in other peoples' business? Give me a God damn credit. Like being a blue collar ex con that can't even care for his own children is the ghetto equivalent of a samurai.

Oh, and "commentation" is not even a real word.

People like you scare me. I have no fear of an intelligent man or woman. They have the ability to use reason and logic to curb their behavior, and or speech. Ignorant people like yourself, on the other hand, especially those with the means to communicate their thoughts on a large scale, scare the living shit out of me.

First of all, the fact that you have to sit here, and make incredibly far reaching conclusions regarding the backgrounds of some of these characters says it all about Tyler Perry's use of stereotypical black characters. Apparently all the bad people in the "hood" are the drug addicts and pimps and everyone else is a super loving and understanding Christian. I call bullshit on that. Bullshit. Bad people come in all classes, colors, and faith. And if you take Tyler Perry's view of the black community as gospel, than nothing can be accomplished in the hood without the "white" folk to guide the poor, unintelligent blacks by the hand.

Is that how it is in the ghetto, Nita? Is no one capable of guiding themselves to the right choice without a sign post that says "this way to the right choice" ?

Posted by: Manny at March 12, 2007 2:09 AM

Nita,

I'm afraid your argument comes down to more of the same "you've never experienced X, Y and Z therefore you have no right to comment on a film that covers X, Y and Z". Even if that wasn't your intention it's still how the argument reads. I personally have never been unwillingly married to a dangerously overweight woman, nor have I made a pact with the devil to save my dying father's soul. However, I still feel justified in claiming that Norbit and Ghost Rider are cinematic dross.


Also, where does the review make Jeremy sound Republican? Did I just miss that part?

Posted by: Alex the Odd at March 14, 2007 9:31 AM

ILOVED THE MOVIE ACTUALLY I LOVED ALL THE MOVIES AND THE PLAYS THAT YOU'VE MADE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND CONTINUE TO LET GOD US YOU.

Posted by: Sotoria Gartner at March 14, 2007 12:13 PM

Sotoria: "ILOVED THE MOVIE ACTUALLY I LOVED ALL THE MOVIES AND THE PLAYS THAT YOU'VE MADE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND CONTINUE TO LET GOD US YOU."

WTF?! Apparently Tyler Perry is God's condomn as well. And all this time I thought he was just a tool....lol. I kill me.

Oh, and thanks ALex.

Posted by: Manny at March 14, 2007 12:26 PM

I told myself I wouldn't come back here, but I had to see if it was still going on strong.

Dammit, Manny. Why didn't you post the message number? Do you know how many pages of "Keep doing the Lord's work, by the way take a look at my script" messages I had to go through? Only to still not see the post from you? My eyes hurt so, SO much.

Candice: Um, what planet were you on where no one was badmouthing Soul Plane? D.L. Hughley himself said the movie was trash, and that he only took his role in it for the check.

And if you still doubt that the review would not have been as degrading with white actors, you need to take a look at the archives here. There are movies that get it much worse.

As for your obvious posturing: why do you feel it necessary to express that you have a Master's and make $150K? Are you somehow afraid that someone would think less of you for watching this movie, so you feel that you must shield your fragile ego behind such things? Or is it that you are afraid to admit that you enjoyed this movie because it boosted your own apparently fragile ego, seeing that there are people worse off that you? I really do hope it is not the latter.

If you like the movie, fine. But don't come here thinking that everyone shares your opinion and then try to justify yourself by showing that you AREN'T a crackhead in need of God, since that seems to be the new criteria for critics of this film according to some. It is funny that you tell others to get over it, that it is merely some "random white boy's racist rant" about such a trivial movie that "anyone with even a 2nd grade education" should be able to realize is filled with ridiculous stereotypes; and yet you STILL insist on the movie being entertaining, that we black people should be able to laugh at ourselves. Well, I am able to laugh at myself and my people, but the stuff in this movie isn't very funny.

Nita: Considering that you first and foremost considered 'white' as being equivalent to luxury, while 'black' is equivalent to struggle shows that you may have more issue with your heritage than you thought. And by the way, I am a black liberal Democrat, and I still agree with his "republican" points.

As far as the Social Services comment, I have had encounters with them, both as a child and as an adult. And no way in any reality is a social worker going to just jerk the kids away from a hard-working, honest man and directly hand them over to his junkie ex-wife, WHO LIVES WITH A KNOWN DRUG DEALER, without some sort of hearing. If they do, they need to be fired, plain and simple.

And maybe if some people did try to 'interfere' with the 'personal' issues of others, some of the problems in the community wouldn't be as bad as they are. Your little 'code' rant is nothing more than saying "Don't be a snitch", and I am sure you can tell how wonderful that little maxim has done for us as a people.

And just because Jennifer believed that "nice guys finish last" didn't mean EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE MOVIE had to believe it, which seems to be the case.

Posted by: Vermillion at March 14, 2007 6:17 PM

Vermillion, dude, you just made into my Same-Sex top five. Right below Jason Statham.

Sorry about the post #, but I didn't realize there were so many on there. You should see some of the stuff that was written in response to mine! C-o-m-e-d-y. I told myself I would stay away from this one too, but it was too much fun in the beginning. Now I feel like a blog cop, busting idiots. I'll try and find it again, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was deleted. Um, check out my blog why don't you?

http://manny-hispanicatthedisco.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Manny at March 15, 2007 3:21 PM

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Posted by: trevor campbell at April 6, 2007 7:51 PM

First of all, you all need to stop hating on a brotha!! He worked had and finally made it to the top. No one wants to see a Black man on top. Who cares if Mel Gibson made his own film, but let the Black man try to get ahead and he's not all that good. STOP HATING!!! White women are in love with Oprah and he is just doing the same thing she has done, let his money work for him. No one says anything about "white" people when you all are on street corners and on side walks all over town playing for spare change that people throw at you all. GROW UP!! Black people are tired of always coming out on the bottom and coming out last. Power to the Black people, they are making their marks in the world. I love you Tyler,

Madea's Sister

Posted by: Madea's Sister at April 24, 2007 12:24 AM

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I just spent about 2 hours reading through the comments, and I have some things to say.
First off I really don't understand why so many people are hatin on Tyler Perry, maybe his movies aren't the best out there, and maybe they don't depict exact real life, but they definitely achieve the goal of depicting issues real people face, and how faith in god helps pull them through. Tyler Perry was homeless for a while, and it was his faith in god that pulled him through and made him the successful man he is today. Love him or hate him, all he's trying to do is share this with the world in hopes that it will help other people turn their lives around the way he did.
Secondly, Everybody gets better with time, diary of a mad black woman was his first film he ever made, how could you possibly compare him to those who have been making movies for decades.
Thirdly, to Manny, Ari, Vermillion and all the other haters, if you hate Tyler Perry's movies so much, then don't watch them, and don't hate on other people for enjoying them. All your doin is givin him more publicity by talkin about him all the time. Manny I'm sure it probably made your life seeing people agree with you on this page, so much so that you thought it necessary to publicize your blog. Do you really think people care about your opinion that much. Lets see you make a movie, I wonder how many people will see it.
On the comment about the movie doing better with a white cast, I completeley agree. Nobody is saying it would be a better movie with a white cast, but it would have definitely done better in the box offices and got less bad reviews, bottom line, agree or not, its a fact.
Bottomline Tyler Perry is an inexperienced movie maker who hasn't learned how to fully capture the complexities of everyday life; however, his message and the way he presents it is both understandable and goodhearted. He gets you to laugh while at the same time gives guidance thats appliccable to just about everybody. Why hate on someone who's trying to better the world.

Posted by: Phillip at May 13, 2007 5:07 AM

I just saw the movie on DVD last weekend. And I'll say this:

First, I enjoyed it. I actually watched it twice (though, honestly, I really just wanted to ogle that gorgeous and insanely sexy Idris Elba some more).

Second, it wasn't good.

The characters were utterly stock and two-dimensional. Also, 1) the girls could not have possibly been the ages they were in light of the father's prison stint; and 2) the actions taken by the social services people were unrealistic, as Jeremy points out (I was watching with my brother and his wife, who are both social workers, and they had an extensive dialogue on the subject).

Jeremy's right about Perry's character being TOTALLY good, or TOTALLY evil. It's obvious that you're supposed to love Elba's character and his daughters. And you're supposed to hate the mother, the mom's boyfriend, and Gabrielle Union's girlfriends. And of course, Ms. Union herself is just frustrated and misunderstood.

I think all this is cuz Perry's a playwright. And in plays, its understood that the audience is supposed to suspend disbelief.

Nevertheless, the movie is entertaining. I, too, wanted to snatch out that lady's weave (seriously, she's EXTRA obnoxious) and I really did think that second blind date was gonna turn out to be gay. And I cheered at the happy ending.

Posted by: Ginger at July 6, 2007 2:19 PM

I would give this film 3/5 and I am a black man script writer from the UK. The screenplay is weak in areas and could have been a lot better. To answer the early argument I beleive Jeremys comments were very irresponsible as a writer. Why? because he diregarded the target audienece in whom the film was written for. The film is a true reflection of what happens in the "hood" black people watched this film and most of us know that Tyler still has alot more to improve on but non the less it's a decent film. No matter what colour we are we have all seen worse films that have received much more praise. I am only touching on this coulour issue because I was disturbed by Jeremys writing and was offended. I don't beleive his comments were meant to offened but I must point out why I was offeneded. 1. No matter how you look at it, the effects of slavery still live on, when you watch black people in the so called hood please remember that we have not had the same chances in life or upbringing that most white people have had. This is not an excuse to sell drugs or shoot people but remember white people, you helped lower our status in society don't you ever mock us when we are trying to rise up!

Well done Tyler, good film not the best I've seen but not bad

Posted by: Courtney at July 16, 2007 7:28 PM

I thought the movie was fantastic.I liked the three girls,Sierra,China,and Lauryn.Iam trying to send them a letter.

Posted by: alden arnold at July 20, 2007 9:54 AM

Again,this is Alden.If any of you who read this have China Anne McClain's phone number or adress please email me at alarnold@peoplepc.com

Posted by: Alden Arnold at July 20, 2007 10:03 AM





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