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The Counterfeiters / Phillip Stephens

Film Reviews | February 28, 2008 | Comments (58)


In 1942, the Nazis culled together a motley crew of prisoners from Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz — men who were formerly artists, financiers, and counterfeiters — and secretly launched Operation Bernard, a mass-production scheme of forgery meant to undermine the British (and later, American) economy. Stefan Ruzowitsky’s film, The Counterfeiters, is a semi-fictional account of this enterprise and its human architecture.

Salomon “Solly” Sarowitsch (Karl Markovics), a Russian Jew and artist living in 1936 Berlin, earns his living as a proficient forger of currencies and passports. Solly is thoroughly unlikable even before the film parses him out — he’s an arrogant misanthrope, mewling phrases like “Why earn money by making art? Earning money by making money is much easier,” through a thin-lipped sneer. His life is, by definition, a series of falsehoods, and he constructs his own means and beds beautiful women without seemingly trying. But reality comes knocking, as it’s wont to do, and Solly’s charmed life is ended in the form of police inspector Herzog (David Striesow).

Busted, Solly is sent to the Mauthausen labor camp, where he likely would’ve ended up in a few years due to his heritage anyway. Having the dubious distinction of being a Jew and a career criminal, Solly should’ve been doomed, but even this situation he turns to his advantage. Impressing a guard with his drawing abilities, it isn’t long before Solly is living in comparative luxury, painting portraits for the prison staff and eating well. After five years of this, he’s mysteriously whisked to Sachsenhausen, where his old nemesis, Herzog, now an SS commandant, is heading the counterfeit project. Solly, due to reputation, is placed at the head of a disparate group of inmates who have experience in printing or finance. Herzog orders these men to reproduce the British pound; in exchange for the their skills, Solly’s crew lives in relative comfort - they have soft beds, decent meals, even a ping-pong table - a far cry from the horrors visited daily on the other inmates.

It would seem that Solly, amazingly enough, has again managed to spin gold from straw. He and the others have safety and comfort, under the circumstances, and, after successfully forging pound notes, the favor of Herzog. But one prisoner, Adolf Burger (August Diehl), threatens to derail the entire operation. Burger is an idealist and former political agitator who, along with his wife, fought the Nazis in print before being sent to Auschwitz. Burger finds it morally inexcusable to aid the Nazi war effort in any way; after increasingly strong protests, he actually begins sabotaging the process, ignoring the pleas of his fellows and incredulous to the doom he threatens them (and himself) with. Burger is Solly’s antithesis — he places ideals above his own survival; Solly places nothing above survival, willing to peddle obsequiousness and immorality if it means his neck is out of the noose. The world can burn.

But strangely, Solly finds he cannot turn on Burger, even when his actions place them all in dire straits; Herzog is now demanding the dollar, and doing so with increased ferocity. Solly has to juggle his own will to survive against Burger’s undeniably good intentions, and this makes The Counterfeiters pretty interesting. There’s impressive irony at play here: Solly finds it excusable to aid monsters if it means saving his skin (and the skins of those around him) while Burger is willing to kill himself and his fellows in service to morals which may not exist and the welfare of people he’s never met. And if Solly is right, shouldn’t that excuse Herzog, a cherub-cheeked evildoer who also claims he’s doing what he must, as well?

The problem is: Counterfeiters is a bit too interesting without enough of anything else. Ruzowitsky, who also co-wrote the script, crafts an engaging debate without giving enough life to the debaters. Solly is an intriguing character, even impressive, but, as a man who cares for little save himself, never sympathetic. The film is bookended with scenes of him gambling away the money he forged (and probably continues to forge) in Monte Carlo, so we know he’ll outlast the war. Ruzowitsky is less interested in his survival than what it cost him to survive. Perhaps if the film had given an equally balanced portrayal of Burger the dichotomy of these two characters would have been more compelling. As it stands, The Counterfeiters, with its notable production and fine acting, paints an interesting portrait, but never an enthralling one.

Phillip Stephens is the lead critic and book editor for Pajiba. He lives in Fayetteville, AR.


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Comments

Hmmm sounds like one of those European flicks that are left with an ambiguous masturbatory ending. I'll check out, but I have serious doubts.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at February 28, 2008 12:52 PM

Jesus on a pogo stick, Slim, do you have an implant in your jaw that alerts you to new articles here?

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 28, 2008 12:55 PM

"Jesus on a pogo stick"

That is my new favorite exlamation right there

Posted by: Bethy at February 28, 2008 12:59 PM

Actually, I should have said "jumping Jesus on a pogo stick." And I'm still not clear how Slim teleports in every time something new goes up around here.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 28, 2008 1:02 PM

Hahahahaha it's my Pajaydar Socalled.


OT: Upon further consideration, the Herzog and Solly characters are representative of my big issue with Germans of that era and their contemporary apologists: THEY GOT OFF EASY. These despicable people/nation committed the most atrocious of acts and they got away with it by blaming it ALL on.... ONE guy.
Hitler was a douchebag yes, but the German nation acted just like this Solly character, they put their conscience and humanity on hold to get ahead and I don't think they've ever been properly punished for it (now it's too late). They certainly didn't pay the same price the Japanese paid that's for sure.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at February 28, 2008 1:04 PM

BS They certainly didn't pay the same price the Japanese paid that's for sure.

True, but having your country split in half, and one half living in poverty must not have been fun.

Also, unlike the Japanese, Germans are acutely aware of what that generation did. Germany has the strictest anti fascist laws out there. See also how they treat the Scientologists

Posted by: cockroach at February 28, 2008 1:18 PM

B'Slim:
Agreed, one of the, if not the, most atrocious acts in history and yes the overwhelming majority of Germans at that time were complicit, but what would you have had happen to them? After WWI, the Germans were punished to extremes and it only led to an environment rife for the introduction of super-nationalist ideals and anti-semitism to come out in the open. Would you have had the N-bomb dropped on Berlin or Hamburg? Wouldn't that have subjected millions of refugees, surrounding allies and the few remaining European Jews to the punishment also (assuming one agrees, which I don't, that the N-bomb is ever justified)? At least WWII deliverd the concept of a War Crimes Tribunal (useless though that has proved to be in recent years) and shamed most anti-semites in the western world into a black hole where they can't push their hateful crap around. Where on earth would some devastating national punishment have led to?

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 28, 2008 1:18 PM

also

Posted by: cockroach at February 28, 2008 1:18 PM

Slim, in comparison to the Japanese, you're probably right. There was an interesting phenomenon in post-war Germany, however, of national self-flagellation in the educational, social and political systems. I don't know enough about it to really comment on how deeply it dealt with the silent majority that actively or tacitly assisted the Nazis, but my understanding is that the ostracization (is that a word?) of that generation, combined with the schism caused by the Soviet takeover of East Germany, caused some really deep social dysfunction that still shapes the country. It actually led to the banning of certain kinds of political movements and even religious orders.

It seems that only in the most recent generations did the Germans begin to be able to assert a national "voice" with any confidence, a minor by-product of which was a small neo-Nazi movement in reaction to decades of "we suck"-ism. To your point, Slim, it seems that the majority of the punishment was self-inflicted. To the West's credit, the Marshall Plan seems to have created a Germany where (fingers crossed) it would be incredibly difficult for that history to repeat.

Anyone enough of a 20th Century history expert to wax rhapsodic on this issue? My history major was Colonial America through Reconstruction, so I'm working with limited knowledge here.

Pajaydar: Love it.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 28, 2008 1:21 PM

First! Pwned!Oh ye....awwww, crap. Damn you, BSlim.

Posted by: Manny at February 28, 2008 1:24 PM

Where on earth would some devastating national punishment have led to?

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 28, 2008 1:18 PM
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I admit I don't know, it probably would have been worse. Still I can't shake the feeling they'd do it again.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at February 28, 2008 1:24 PM

"....To your point, Slim, it seems that the majority of the punishment was self-inflicted. To the West's credit, the Marshall Plan seems to have created a Germany where (fingers crossed) it would be incredibly difficult for that history to repeat...."
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The East-German era was very revealing, didn't anybody else think that the East-Germans were BETTER than the Soviets at being totalitarian oppressors. They had like, 50% of the population spying on the other, it boggles the mind.

Well here's hoping.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at February 28, 2008 1:30 PM

BarbadoSlimI admit I don't know, it probably would have been worse. Still I can't shake the feeling they'd do it again.

If you mean, not fight against it if another fascist regime took over, there was a test conducted, where people were asked by scientists to torture an innocent person(actually an actor) and to keep on doing it, even if they where writhing in pain. only something like thirty percent resisted, so being supine in the face of malicious authority is pretty close to being a universal, not some freak quirk of the 'German character'

Posted by: cockroach at February 28, 2008 1:33 PM

And there was that study they did with the students assigned to be prisoners and guards, and they had to discontinue it because the guards were mistreating the prisoners so badly. There was a documentary made about it, but I can't remember the name of it.

Here we go again with a Pajibatheme: If people's hands are in it, it's probably going to turn out badly.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 28, 2008 1:40 PM

B'Slim:
I know the feeling. But I'm not sure it has to be the Germans next time. When I was a child there was a series on WWII that ran every Sunday afternoon called The World At War and it spared nobody (these were the days before sensitivity warnings) in terms of showing graphic coverage of what was done in the camps and a lot of Germans saying "they had no choice". I used to get very angry and declare hotly that I would never have gone along with it, turning in neighbours, looking the other way, etc. When I grew up and started working in the corporate world, I noticed that every day people look the other way when an employee who has fallen out of favour is being trashed by management or snitch to their managers about someone in the hope of getting ahead. I'm now convinced that most large corporations are organized on Nazi fear principles and they work. If the average person will look the other way just to ensure his bonus is secure at the end of the year, it's not hard to see why thousands of people did it when their lives were at risk. I'm not giving a free pass to the many who willingly went along because of their anti-semitism or greed, but I've come to realize that people are base. Very few have the balls to stand up (I include myself there) and say something when they might suffer some negative repercussion.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 28, 2008 1:40 PM

I suppose to keep Wex happy over at the Round Up thread, someone should jump in here are claim that the Nazis were okay and very misunderstood? Well, it won't be me.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 28, 2008 1:44 PM

Hee, Paddy, I'm loathe to take joy in this fact, but if there's not a Human Unpleasantness Misanthropy Perusal Society (HUMPS), we need to found one.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 28, 2008 1:47 PM

And there was the prison experiment where middle class American pysch students become sadist prison guards within days. The experiment had to end early as the fake prisoners had also totally broken down. Scary how fast it all happens. I would like to think I could resist power or survive punishment but would rather not find out for sure.

Posted by: jenn at February 28, 2008 1:48 PM

Wex can't be bothered -- he had to go over to the alcoholics anonymous website to complain that everyone was in a "herd-support" mentality and none of the commenters was calling the writers and commenters "Drunky McShitface."

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 28, 2008 1:53 PM

Hey Paddydog: All this time I thought the N-bomb was that offensive word that refered to black people. Did you mean the A-bomb? Because when I read your post I got a visual of Allied soldiers walking around Berlin calling all the Germans the n-word.

Posted by: BWeaves at February 28, 2008 1:53 PM

Jenn = jinx!

bweaves, in the words of our esteemed presimident, I think she meant "noo-kyoo-lur." But I like the image of 1945 GIs exporting one of our primary national resources, racial enmity.

By the way, what do you weave? Ever since Spencer Gifts stopped selling those penis-sock-crochet thingies, I've had a chill.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 28, 2008 1:56 PM

Very few have the balls to stand up (I include myself there) and say something when they might suffer some negative repercussion.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 28, 2008 1:40 PM

Usually only people who have nothing left to fear will put up resistance to inhuman conduct while their well-being is threatened. People who have already lost what matters to them, or who have faced their worst nightmares and survived. There are exceptions, but as you said, they are rare. Sad, but a simple truth of human nature and the instict for self preservation.

Posted by: Sarina at February 28, 2008 1:59 PM

Bweaves: Sorry, it comes from years of the NYT crossword addiction (pauses for someone to accuse the site of elitism). They like to swap out N-bomb and A-bomb just to confuse the regulars. Oh the nights I have spent planning the torture of Will Shortz!

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 28, 2008 2:02 PM

[/leprechaun pokes head out of Sarina's ass, looks around, says "Lairds o' clover, it shur got dark in here, not the usual rainbows we're used ta' seein'! Where's me lucky charms and shillelagh?"]

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 28, 2008 2:03 PM

I think the Germans have suffered a lot for their collective actions. The current generation has had a lot of time to look back to see what their forefathers did. I don't think there's much risk of a rise of nationalism and militarism in Germany. They're ambivalent towards any sort of military action now.

Posted by: vadmspartan at February 28, 2008 2:04 PM

Saw it at SBIFF, had almost the same reaction you did. Good, but not great. Also, I have a really low tolerance for the "let's sacrifice ourselves symbolically" shit. Dying symbolically does nothing. No, that's not a spoiler, just something someone keeps on and KEEPS ON suggesting in the movie, because he's a one sided character.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at February 28, 2008 2:06 PM

I saw this movie last night and must say I thought it worth seeing. The lead character is full of contradictions, but still totally engrossing. The film itself successfully makes you consider at what point would you sacrifice yourself to the horrors, if it meant a chance of saving thousands of others.

As for the ending, it is not 'ambiguous' and 'masturbatory' - it is concise and crystal clear. You are not left in any doubt at all.

Posted by: Simon B at February 28, 2008 2:07 PM

Sweet nookyooler Jesus, socalled. Must we discuss my ass amidst all this talk of prison experiments and torture and human tragedy? If you absolutely insist, you could at least have the common courtesy to get a girl drunk first. Honestly.

Posted by: Sarina at February 28, 2008 2:11 PM

Ahh, the Milgram Experiment...I loved learning about that and the occurrence of group think in my social psych class. I remember the class gasping in shock as the one participant kept administering the voltage despite the "victim" having apparently passed out.

Posted by: Julie at February 28, 2008 2:11 PM

Very few have the balls to stand up (I include myself there) and say something when they might suffer some negative repercussion.

Sadly, very true. It certainly happened in every country that the Nazis invaded during WWII, including a small part of the UK (- they got as far as occupying the Channel Islands).

Also, I expect that a dig through the history books would show that it's happened to virtually every race and country over the last few thousand years.

The problem with the Germans in WWII is that they were just as human as the rest of us.

Posted by: Simon B at February 28, 2008 2:17 PM

how exactly did the japanese get punished more than the germans?
two nukes droped versus a country reduced to rubbles, thousands of refugees and raped women fleeing from the soviets, then being split appart and having half the country living in poverty and being suppressed by another totalitarian dictatorship?
i don't think you can weigh one up against the other

besides: it was sixty years ago and you're talking about the germans as if they would unleash a third world war any time now

Posted by: Capo at February 28, 2008 2:18 PM

Having lived in Germany for 6 years I was part of this discussion many times. Many people my age (now early 20s) resent that they cannot feel any pride for being German without being labeled a Nazi. These are people whose grandparents survived the war and post-war Germany and they will be the first to tell you that they regret what happened.

Posted by: Draya at February 28, 2008 2:23 PM

I have to agree with Draya - I took German in college and one of my instructors was a twenty-something German guy who explained to the class one day that the kind of nationalistic pride we feel and display in America doesn't exist in Germany. People don't hang flags from their houses or put bumper stickers on their cars. He said the collective guilt of the nation is almost palpable at times, as if they'll never quite live down what their granfathers did.

Posted by: Kolby at February 28, 2008 2:29 PM

I should add that the World Cup changed alot of that last summer. Between having a team that went to the quarter finals and hosting the event flags were EVERYWHERE! It was the break in the dam they had all been waiting for. They were able to show the world (granted the most of the US barely glanced) how much fun they really are.

Also, someone recently replicated the Milgram experiment, which further proves how far we as humans can go when we can shove the blame onto another person.

Posted by: Draya at February 28, 2008 2:35 PM

Kolby:

Interesting that you bring that up. I've been out of the country for the past few days on a business trip and had just that same conversation with a bunch of people. I've always been amazed at the flag waving in the US. Everytime I hear a politician say the the US is "the greatest country in the world", I cringe a little. It may or may not be true, but isn't that sort of like annuoncing "I'm the prettiest girl in the room"? It's just so arrogant. Anyway, I was wondering if I feel this way because displays of nationaliztic fervour generally tend not to end well for the nations involved?

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 28, 2008 2:40 PM

Socalled:

Since I assume you're President, may I be Treasurer of the HUMPS group?

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 28, 2008 2:42 PM

Paddy - I don't know. We've been doing it for so long. I'm more inclined to wonder how much longer we'll last at 'the top' since our democracy is pretty damn old.

But on the subject of patriotism, I don't find anything wrong with it, and it doesn't bother me when people from other countries say that theirs is the best. I think people should be proud of where they come from.

Posted by: Kolby at February 28, 2008 2:48 PM

socalledonlycousins: I weave everything from wool rugs to linen handkerchiefs, to yardage for clothing, towels, scarves, shawls, etc. I did once knit a penis warmer for my boyfriend, and I made it look like me (pink yarn, a face, arms, legs, my haircut and pubes). He tried it on once and we both agreed it made him look like Humbert Humbert and he took it off immediately. He eventually married me anyway.

Posted by: BWeaves at February 28, 2008 2:50 PM

it made him look like Humbert Humbert

Hmmm, maybe I wasn't as dashing in that thing as I thought. All the kids on the schoolbus seemed impressed; they all disembarked and ran away as fast as they could, I assume to go to Spencer's for their own. Oh well, please disregard.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 28, 2008 3:00 PM

The only thing I can say with confidence is that the United States has, to my mind, the best legal system I've come across. I know people bitch about "frivolous" lawsuits and the like, but plaintiffs here have far more access to relief than other systems I've seen. Also, even though it's not necessarily implemented as it should, the Constitution provides protection to criminal defendants that I haven't seen in other countries (of course, we have the death penalty, but that's another story).

The thing about the Japanese is that their people suffered mightily at the end of WWII, but I feel like the country's reputation didn't suffer as much as Germany's did, despite the fucked-up shit Japan pulled in China.

Posted by: samantha t at February 28, 2008 3:00 PM

Re: Patriotism and "the greatest country in the world".

I think there's possibly some sort of line to look out for.

Proclaiming your country to be "great" just shows patriotism and national pride.

Declaring it to be "the greatest" would seem to indicate arrogance at worst and naiveté at best.

Let's face it, wherever we come from, we all have much room for improvement.

Posted by: Simon B at February 28, 2008 3:09 PM

Let's face it, wherever we come from, we all have much room for improvement.

Posted by: Simon B at February 28, 2008 3:09 PM

You, sir, are wise. Plus, my cat's name is also Simon, and though he is evil I am terribly fond of him. I am usually fond of anyone named Simon, simply by association.

Posted by: Sarina at February 28, 2008 3:30 PM

Simon B:

Great comment.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 28, 2008 3:49 PM

Saw this last year at the Toronto International Film Festival, was extremely impressed with it. I don't agree at all with Phillip that it isn't involving and engrossing; Markovic's steady, even-handed portrayal of a man fighting off his own self-loathing, and Striesow's of a man desperately trying to delude himself with the belief that maybe everybody else is a shit but he is just an okay guy caught in a bad situation - these are absolutely fascinating performances.

The movie just grabs you by the throat and doesn't let go, and I liked it for that.

Posted by: mightygodking at February 28, 2008 4:35 PM

Bweaves: Sorry, it comes from years of the NYT crossword addiction . . . They like to swap out N-bomb and A-bomb just to confuse the regulars. Oh the nights I have spent planning the torture of Will Shortz.

Paddydog: What do you expect from a guy who can't even spell his last name right?

Posted by: BWeaves at February 28, 2008 4:37 PM

Unbridled "patriotism" makes me nervous. Or I should say, what often passes for patriotism in this country makes me nervous.

I have this whacked out idea that I am an excellent patriot because I believe that we should defend the constitution and civil liberties and civil rights. But weirdly, those who are considered more stereotypical patriots think I should "love it or leave it." Fuck them. They don't even get that this country was founded (in part) on defended peoples' rights.

And they don't get that if we give up our civil liberties to be "safe" from terrorism, we have already lost, because without our freedoms, this country stands for nothing

Ok, I have to stop, or I'll be ranting for days.

Posted by: tamatha at February 28, 2008 4:53 PM

Oops. That should say defending peoeples' rights. See what happens when I start ranting?

Posted by: tamatha at February 28, 2008 4:56 PM

Ah, BWeaves:

Thank you for the sympathy. If you knew the pain that man and his evil cohorts, Cox and Rathvon, have put me through. I say, forget the waterboarding, stick the crew at Guantanamo down with a Saturday crossword or an Acrostic with no scratch paper and after an hour, they'll be telling the interrogators everything they know just to make it stop.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 28, 2008 5:27 PM

Right on, Simon.

The thing I've noticed about Germans in general is that they're STILL terribly ashamed of what they did. It really is a very big part of them. I have a lot of German friends, my brother in law is German, and they all visibly cringe when it's mentioned. Also they're almost apologetic of their patriotism, if they have any at all. So yea, I think they've paid the price. Still paying it.

Re: patriotism. I don't have any, I'm originally from Rwanda and I feel very ashamed of what we did to each other. For a long time, I hated my country, but now I'm starting to see things differently. As for my second nation, Norway, well...it's just hard to feel at home when every time people look at you, they see a stranger.

Posted by: joker at February 28, 2008 5:36 PM

OK, I'm a little late to the party here, but can I say, in terms of Germany not being 'punished' like Japan...Dresden, anyone? I was fortunate enough to go to Dresden late last year and a lot of the rebuilding is only just (ie last 5-10 years) completed and the scars are still very obvious.

I have to say I'm intrigued by this film but I won't see it because the only theatre I know that shows these films have allocated seating, and so I am boycotting them until they realise that is a ridiculous idea. DVD it is...

Posted by: rach at February 28, 2008 6:55 PM

I know I've seen this storyline before. On TV, no less. For some reason it strikes me as Masterpiece Theater material.

Posted by: Wednesday at February 28, 2008 8:54 PM

This is a little late but the review and the comments reminded me of a movie I saw while in college: The Nasty Girl, directed by Michael verhoeven.

Posted by: Bosco migh at February 29, 2008 2:52 AM

When it comes right down to it (for the average person) I'd say the real problem in cases like living within the Reich or wherever is accepting what you see and hear and whether you really allow that to inform your view of yourself within it. Such as: They are murdering, and if that is really so, it is 'they' not 'I', as I am not the 'we' that would do that, unless I had to for reason X.

The group gets you too - that strange effect where you are looking around even if you have a perfectly good opinion of your own most of the time. It works for patriotism and riots just the same.

Groupthink is a tricky bitch, fer sure.

Posted by: replica at February 29, 2008 3:27 AM

Thank you Sarina, PaddyDog & Joker - you're too kind.

Posted by: Simon B at February 29, 2008 7:16 AM

I have to agree with Samantha. In terms of global reputation and actual casualties, the Germans suffered more than the Japanese. The Japanese have been treated in history as victims whereas the Germans have been treated as villains. The atrocities that the Japanese committed against the Chinese are as horrific as anything else out there, but when we think of WWII and the Japanese, all we think of is that we bombed them with the H-bomb. This is, of course, not to say that the Germans weren't extremely culpable for their crimes, just that they have had to own up to them much more than Japan.

Posted by: Chrissi at February 29, 2008 4:42 PM

Quoting Chrissi: "when we think of WWII and the Japanese, all we think of is that we bombed them with the H-bomb."

That's part of the problem -- a lot of shit happened to Japan after WWII. The Americans completely took over the country, rewrote their constitution, forbade them a standing army (to this day they're not allowed to declare war, and Germany is, I think), and basically infantilized them. There was a kid's anime show from the seventies that ended every show with vanquished bad guys and a mushroom cloud. Do you think we might have screwed with the Japanese national psyche, just a little?

Not to mention that here in the United States, we rounded up everyone of Japanese descent and put them in internment camps. Nothing like that happened to people of German or Aryan descent.

I'm not saying that the Japanese had it worse, just that the Germans didn't.

Posted by: Becca at March 2, 2008 12:28 PM

I'm a bit late to this discussion, but meh.
I've finally decided to de-lurk, because I think the topic is really important.

Coming from a family that suffered a lot from the nazi regime (I'm Jewish), I'd say that none of their acts can be excused, whether it was based on idealism or "just following the orders".
I do think it is wrong to condemn today's generation because of what happened 60 years ago. We have quite a few German friends and they are well aware of their past or of what their family did at the time, but at least they face up to it. It is true that Germany has experienced such a trauma as a consequence of WWII and the later splitting of their country that I don't think it's very likely that they'll ever come close to comitting those atrocities again.

As to whether you can resist such authority and brainwashing that you wouldn't be able to behave in a human way, I'm not at all surprised. When you've seen the sort of propaganda these people were subjected to and the situation they were in, you can start understanding- understanding being a big word here- how it could all derail up to that point.
I've often found myself wondering whether I would have acted differently and critically, risking my family's and my own life in order to just try and inject a little bit of humanity into that hell; or basically try and save my own ass for a piece of bread and betraying someone. I hope I never have to find out what the answer is...

Anyhoo..end of rant.
I just wanted to say I loooove Pajiba & the Pajiba-ites, the snark here makes my day :)

Posted by: silvia at March 2, 2008 6:02 PM

Becca - nobody's contending that there weren't long-term effects on Japan. We're simply contending that Germany looms larger than Japan does in the collective memory as the "bad guy" of WWII (at least here in the United States).

Posted by: samantha t at March 3, 2008 10:00 AM