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Citizen Kane / Dustin Rowles

Film Reviews | July 25, 2007 | Comments (136)


Citizen Kane is generally understood to be the Greatest Film of All Time, and was officially recognized as such by both the American Film Institute (in 1997 and 2007) and the British Film Institute. It’s got a 100 percent over on RT’s Tomatometer, and it’s the 23rd ranked film on IMDB. As far as cinematic innovations go, Kane is unparalleled. Though it didn’t invent deep focus, low-angle shots, brilliant special effects makeup, overlapping dialogue, flashback storytelling, abrupt cuts, or breathtaking visual effects, Citizen Kane was the first to use these techniques all together in one film. Moreover, with Citizen Kane, Orson Welles — who, at the age of 24, co-wrote, directed, and starred — revolutionized the studio system, which at the time controlled every aspect of filmmaking, by taking the reins away from the monopolistic studio honchos and procuring creative control, becoming one of the first directors in the sound era to craft a film on his own terms. Indeed, if you asked every movie critic to give you his or her top ten list, you might end up with 500 different films, but Kane, inevitably, would be on damn near every one.

But it wouldn’t be on mine. Despite the fact that I can respect and appreciate its significance in cinematic history, based solely on entertainment value, I hate Citizen Kane. Given its importance to the future of film, it’s hard to argue that it’s overrated, but from the standpoint of a guy who wants to sit in front of a movie screen, chomp on nachos, and feel something — scared, adrenalized, intrigued, warm and fuzzy, or moved to tears — there’s absolutely nothing redeeming about Citizen Kane. Narratively, it’s inert. A slow-moving, scattershot storyline that meanders for two hours and offers a motherfucking anticlimax of epic proportions. The fact that it is noted for having the most popular ending of all time is confounding to me. It’s shit, people. If I’d told you that you could sit through 120 minutes of mind numbing tedium, enduring one belabored flashback after another, all the while suffering through screechingly painful musical numbers (Dorothy Comingfore: Shut the hell up) and that the only reward you were going to get at for all that suffering was a goddamn flimsy metaphor for loss of innocence and the corruption of the American Dream, I’d hope you’d take me out behind the woodshed and put the strap to my ass, redneck-Granny style. And that’s what I want to do, not to Orson Welles (who went on to create a few movies that are among my favorites), but to the dullards who’d suggest that Citizen Kane is the end all be all, the cat’s pajamas, bee’s knees, or the sardine’s whiskers. Clearly, these are the same people who insist on putting Silas Marner and A Separate Peace on high-school English syllabi, not because they’re entertaining reads, but because you might learn something inconsequential from them (“sarcasm is the protest of the weak”! Ha — Suck it, John Knowles).

Granted, I have nothing against those who might sing the pollywoppical praises of Kane (I suspect a couple of my colleagues here at Pajiba would do so), if only because of their respect for film history. But I am slightly stupefied by others who brag that they find something new in Kane every time they watch it, if only because I find it amazing that anyone could stay awake through it once, much less on repeat viewings (I’ve watched it four times now, but only made it through twice, fighting sleep the entire time). Moreover, I have a difficult time understanding how anyone could suggest that Kane really stands the test of time. Granted, there are movies that are less relatable — it’s not as dated as miscegenation statutes, but the reason you’ll rarely find it on any of your 198 cable channels is that there are quite a few films predating Kane that feel as fresh and alive today as they did when they were originally released in the 1930s and 40s (Howard Hawkes’ and Frank Capra’s ‘30’s earlier works, for instance). Indeed, there’s a reason that Hollywood studios haven’t bothered to remake Kane, and it’s not respect; they’ll remake anything that has even the slightest whiff of profit. But Kane would do no better in theaters today than it did in 1941, when William Randolph Hearst successfully managed to keep it from being seen, both to save his own reputation and, I presume, as a public service to the people.

For those of you who haven’t been subjected to it by intro to film courses or pedantic ex-boyfriends with wispy Ethan Hawke facial hair trying to look impressive, Citizen Kane is about the life of Charles Foster Kane, a bazillionare newspaper tycoon “inspired by” William Randolph Hearst. In the film’s opening sequence, Kane’s moustache utters, “Rosebud,” before the man keels over, dying alone in his unfinished mansion, Xanadu. Flash to a news reel, exploring the life and death of Kane, after which a group of old white newsmen dissatisfied with the superficial highlights of Kane’s life decide to get to the bottom of this whole “Rosebud” thing. So, journalist Jerry Thompson (William Alland) is sent out to interview those who were important and close to Kane, including business colleagues and ex-wives, tracking Kane’s life from birth to death. The story begins when Kane was essentially sold by his newly rich parents to the bank, sent back east to learn the ways of wealth and privilege. Most of the rest of the film is told through these flashbacks, which are meant to be a psychologically probing study of a complex figure who rose from nothing to become one of the most powerful men of his time. Ripped from his unsullied life of innocence, where he enjoyed long walks on the beach, building Lego castles, and playing with his goddamn sled in the snow, Kane is set up as a reluctant power player, a champion of the little guy willing to lose a million dollars a year if that’s what is necessary to get the story out there, to give the truth to the masses. Kane is so powerful that at one point he appears to be on the cusp of the presidency (before an affair with a “singer” ruined his political hopes) — but along the way, he loses his soul, represented by “Rosebud,” a memory rekindled on his deathbed by a fucking snow globe.

The irony of Kane, at least in my estimation, is that for all its technical achievements, from a narrative perspective, it’s not a particularly smart movie anymore. While the story may have seemed to have more “teeth” at a time when trustbusting, scrappy journalists held popular appeal, contemporary Americans tend to approach all public figures with a significant amount of skepticism. The idea of lost innocence just doesn’t resonate like it used to, and in itself, it simply isn’t enough to carry a film. The fact that Kane loses himself to wealth and power, forgetting his original aims and beliefs is, if we’re being honest, not particularly surprising to a modern viewer, so the tension and tragedy of Kane’s descent into selfishness, and ultimately, irrelevancy, seem a foregone conclusion — a cautionary tale we’ve heard (and maybe even seen) 1,000 times before. Like the Wachowski Brothers or Michael Bay, Welles conceals the lack of story, the weak characterization, and the horrific excuse for metaphors with special effects and technical wizardry that we’re supposed to be impressed by today. But, to me, movies are about stories, and to be considered the Greatest Film of All Time, the substance of the film should hold up as well as the style.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. He lives with his wife and son in Ithaca, New York. You may email him, or leave a comment below.


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I'm with you on this one, Dustin. The first (and only) time I saw this was on the big screen at my local arthouse cinema.

I can see why some might consider it great and I can appreciate the technical achievement. But as a movie, it leaves me cold.

Posted by: Simon B at July 25, 2007 2:28 PM

And here I thought I was just missing something.

I lived with a film major who made me watch Citizen Kane, and raved about how it was a revolutionary film. I had to fight to keep my eyes open.

I guess I can understand why it's so historically important in the cinematic history realm, but as far as classics go, I'll take Arsenic and Old Lace or Bringing Up Baby over this one every time.

Posted by: Siege at July 25, 2007 2:29 PM

There's more to the film than the idea of innocence lost or reclaimed - even Kane, who wrote it, admitted that "rosebud" was merely a cheap gimmick to enable the plot to advance in the style and manner he wanted to advance it in. Kane gives the viewers a puzzle to put together to answer a question, but not about rosebud - about what makes a man great, what drives a man, specifically one who has everything, to take any kind of action, etc. Kane is using this film to ask some fundamental human questions - the answer is not necessarily contained in the film, but it does provoke the questions and gives the viewer adequate material from which to craft an answer as applies to Kane. I show this in my English class often, and my college freshman students jump to the idea of "what makes a man a man" rather than "loss of innocence" every time.

Posted by: vivian at July 25, 2007 2:33 PM

Well this is one of your Pajiba colleagues who's 100% on board with what you're selling. I've always considered it a secret shame that I was relatively bored with Citizen, despite being able to recognize its importance in film and Hollywood history.

Posted by: Seth at July 25, 2007 2:37 PM

Does anyone else find this movie creepy? But not in that Sunset Boulevard way. I don't know what it was, maybe the overpowering, thundering soundtrack or just the self-importance that comes through in every frame, but I just couldn't stand watching it. It just felt weird to me.

This isn't a very articulate critique, but it just left me unsettled. Xanadu is still my idea of what hell is like. And even though I LOVE Orson Welles (and even sat through the horrific Jane Eyre just because he's a cute Rochester), I can't get behind this movie.

I thought I was the only one!

Posted by: Rachael at July 25, 2007 2:37 PM

Oh no you di'n't!

Posted by: TL at July 25, 2007 2:37 PM

Thank you, thank you, thank you. My husband and I both tried to sit through the movie and couldn't, it was so boring, but if you say that to people they tell you that you just don't get it and then blather on for 1/2 an hour about its importance. We get movies, we own more than some stores, and we both have English Literature graduate degrees (so we understand story and rhetoric a fair bit), and it drives us mad that people just blindly accept that it is the greatest movie ever. The story behind it is great, but that is about it. So thank you so much for writing this article.

Posted by: amanda at July 25, 2007 2:41 PM

I've only seen Citizen Kane once, and enjoyed it for what it was, but ultimately it's one of those movies that is required viewing mostly so that you can better understand Simpsons references.

Posted by: Cassie at July 25, 2007 2:41 PM

While I don't agree with your assesment of Kane, I do agree the a younger audience might find it slow and boring. If you know little or nothing about the man it's loosely based on ( William Randolf Hearst) then I can understand your opinion about Kane's perceived tedium. In his day Hearst was was of the world's richest men and he controlled a large network of daily newspapers and magazines. He was Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch, and Warren Buffett all rolled into one. Kane was cleary meant for a 1940's audience that knew Hearst and his history. You take Kane out of it's time and place and it does lack the impact it had originally.

Posted by: Dano at July 25, 2007 2:43 PM

I sat through it, only out of sheer fortitude. I was bored to death, and I'm not anti-B&W (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is one of my favorites).

Posted by: Johnny at July 25, 2007 2:45 PM

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Dustin for finally saying what I've been thinking for years. I have tried many times to watch this movie without falling asleep, and I just can't do it.

A good story makes a good movie. Sometimes it's not enough, but it's where you need to start.

Also, in the end of your second to last sentence you typed were and you mean we're. Sorry, thought you'd wanna know.

Posted by: Brian at July 25, 2007 2:49 PM

Hey, I LIKED A Separate Peace! If you're down for some real fun, you should check out the semi-sequel, Peace Breaks Out.

As for Citizen Kane, I was forced to sit through it during Intro to Cinema and jesus christ, it almost killed me.

Question to ponder: Who heard him say Rosebud? Nobody was in the room. This film was built on a house of cards!

Posted by: Sarafina at July 25, 2007 2:50 PM

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The story behind the making of Kane is probably even more interesting than the film itself. "Rosebud" is actually a reference to the nickname that William Randolf Hearst gave to the genitalia of his mistress Marion Davies.

Posted by: Dano at July 25, 2007 2:50 PM

Strange. I thought you already established that Sister Act was the greatest movie

Posted by: Brian at July 25, 2007 2:50 PM

That's the Gods Honest Truth. And I thought it was just me who though Citizen Kane was a *bit* overrated.

Posted by: shyestviolet at July 25, 2007 2:51 PM

I am currently making my way through the movies listed in a book called 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die (I've got around 400). Of course, Citizen Kane is on there. I saw it around 15 years ago, when I discovered the Turner Classic Movies channel, and remembered it bored me to tears. I was wondering if I should give it another shot, but I won't waste my time. Thanks!

By the way, the book is pretty interesting. They don't just summarize the plot - they give an explanation as to why (in the authors' opinions) the movie is a must see. Movies are rated for critical acclaim, influence, and cultural significance.

Posted by: Wendi at July 25, 2007 2:52 PM

I'm currently in my "finally watching 'classics' which I had never seen" phase. After viewing Kane last week, I have to say that I mostly agree with Dustin. My biggest complaint was how they treated the death of his first wife and child in a car accident. I can appreciate the idea that he abandons his wife and child like his parents did him, but why not leave it at that? I think Welles just forgot to finish that arc in the story and when someone said "Hey? What happens with his first wife and kid?" Welles panicked and said "Uh, they die. They die in a car accident." Bullshit.

Posted by: X at July 25, 2007 2:55 PM

I feel you, mah nigga. Now where did I put my HD copy of Underworld 2?

Posted by: Manny at July 25, 2007 2:57 PM

I like Citizen Kane, but that might be a result of my crush on Orson Welles. In fact, I have to second Rachael's opinion about him being a cute Rochester, although that version of Jane Eyre is one of my favorites. Sure, Joan Fontaine was far too pretty to be Jane, but it has a whole slew of great character actors, as well as a young, uncredited Elizabeth Taylor as Jane's best friend Helen.

Of course, all of my opinions might be rendered moot by the admission that I really like A Separate Peace.

Posted by: pinkcheese at July 25, 2007 3:08 PM

I guiltily must concur, though I think I liked it more than you. But I also think it's a brilliant film that I watched once, and will most likely never see again.

Although (and this will be even less popular), I also feel this way about The Seven Samurai. Truth be told, I'd rather watch The Magnificent Seven... but that's just me.

Posted by: TK at July 25, 2007 3:10 PM

Yes! I totally agree! And while we're at it, let's knock some of the other sacred cows down--I don't see the charm in Gone With the Wind or Casablanca, either (seriously). Both bored me nearly to tears.

Personally, the only old movies I really like are the really terrible ones (Faster Pussycat, Kill Kill is right up on my list of really great old movies--yes, I am a MST3K fan).

Most old movies are pretty boring--back then, the fact that there were moving pictures on a screen was impressive enough to hold people's attention; call it being jaded, having lost innocence, sophisitcation, or whatever, but I'm not wowed by hand held calculators and telegraph lines, either.

Posted by: frumpiefox at July 25, 2007 3:12 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who loved him in Jane Eyre. I grew up on that movie...still one of my all-time favorites. I don't know how many times I've watched it. I saw Citizen Kane in Grant Park in Chicago a couple summers ago. I enjoyed it. Best movie ever? No. But it wasn't awful. Now Annie Hall? I thankfully was able to walk over to Millennium Park and hung out by the Bean while that atrocity was playing.

Posted by: Rebekah at July 25, 2007 3:19 PM

Totally agree. I actually saw this movie for the first time about a week ago, because I had stumbled across it online and had heard of its greatest movie in the world status. It was clear to see that for its time period it was really well made, but the story is indeed quite dull. I'm just surprised and pleased to find a review for it here so soon after watching it. Seems like a large coincidence.

Posted by: Andy at July 25, 2007 3:21 PM

THANK YOU! You've described the way I feel about this movie better than I ever could... yes, knowing a thing or two about film, I recognize its importance, all the innovation, but I never found anything remotely interesting about it. All my film-nerd friends are appalled, just appalled, to hear such sacrilege, but the Greatest Movie Ever needs more than "importance" to earn its title. "Casablanca" has emotion and complex characters, "The Godfather" a stunning story, "Psycho" is still suspenseful, and this snoozefest is #1 over and over? Does anyone REALLY like this movie?

Posted by: Sputnik at July 25, 2007 3:22 PM

FINALLY! Someone who finds Citizen Kane as boring as I do.

Posted by: Tanner at July 25, 2007 3:26 PM

I was very young when I first watched Citizen Kane and I remember that I didn't get the "rosebud" thing (I was young and naive), with time I learned the story behind the making of Citizen Kane and to me that is the really fascinating part, William Randolph Hearst was bigger than life, if you have the chance go and read "Citizen Hearst" or watch the documentary "The Battle Over Citizen Kane" and you will have a context to watch and enjoy the movie despite its flaws.

And of course without Citizen Kane we couldn't have the "Rosebud" episode in the fifth season of the Simpsons.

Posted by: goldend at July 25, 2007 3:32 PM

Also forced to watch CK in a college class - snore! Although I agree that it is important to see so as to understand references in things like The Simpsons and for pub trivia purposes.
But what I'd really like to do is give a shout out to RKO 281 - a good movie about the making of CK and starring tall dark and yummy Liev Schreiber.

Posted by: fenchurch at July 25, 2007 3:34 PM

Aw, poor Citizen Kane. If anyone else ever says, like they are some kind of iconoclast, "I'm the only one who thinks Citizen Kane is boring!" I can point them to this thread.

I'm one of the few people I know that actually likes Citizen Kane, and I'm including a bunch of really smart film profs in this count. It's a great film to show a first-year class because there's so much stuff in it: stylistically, narratively, thematically, historically. It's such a rich text and I find it really compelling. The "going around and getting pieces of the puzzle from various characters" thing wasn't really done in movies up until this point, and while it did have the structure of a mystery, it's certainly a frustrated one. The whole point of "Rosebud" is that even if the reporter did find out, it wouldn't really answer any of his questions. It's pretty modernist for a studio-funded movie.

I get that maybe it seems like a tired story now, but at the time (and this was in 1942, when studio movies had spent 10 years glamourizing the rich and carefree) it was powerful and I wonder if it just seems less impressive because of its influence.

Also: the argument that Citizen Kane is bad because it doesn't make you feel something or that the story isn't totally satisfying takes a pretty limited view of what movies are supposed to be. I'm not saying "You're dumb if you don't like Citizen Kane," I'm saying I fundamentally disagree with your privileging of emotional engagement and traditional narrative structures over complexity, stylistic innovation and ambiguity. If Orson Welles is Michael Bay, I'd hate to hear what you think of Fellini.

Posted by: Brenda at July 25, 2007 3:44 PM

Bravo Dustin. Kane is a must-see--but only once--and only just for its historical and artistic importance. The plot is unrelievedly boring to modern audiences who do not associate the main character with W.R. Hearst. That combo does not a number one movie of all time make.

Bravo again for putting Silas Marner and A Separate Peace in their proper place. Yeah, I was able to spin the BS beautifully and earned As on each on my "analyses" of these so-called modern classics. But, whoa baby, were they ever painful reading and worse screen adaptations.

But I am mystified that someone could not like Gone With the Wind or Casablanca. They truly are masterpieces of cinematic art and storytelling. O.k., o.k., IMO.

Well, to each his/her own (wow does that (sentiment and construction) take me back to freshman year second semester of undergrad). That's what makes an audience.

Posted by: rudy at July 25, 2007 3:49 PM

God, SERIOUSLY. Thank you, Dustin, for being a film reviewer who's willing to say that Citizen Kane is not The Greatest Film Ever, You Philistines. Maybe it's because William Randolph Hearst no longer has a hold on the public imagination, but the movie (and it is a movie; fuck the use of "film" as a movie's snottier cousin) is just not that compelling. I couldn't tell you what is the best/greatest movie ever, but I agree wholeheartedly that it's not Kane.

Posted by: Heqit at July 25, 2007 3:52 PM

Colleague, here, who loves CK but who can't fault Dustin for this great piece. I get impatient about CK being continually heralded as "the best-ever", too, and it's time to get a little more creative. Plus, the whole "best-ever" attempt at categorizing film is such an intentional fallacy, it makes me cry.

I couldn't appreciate CK on first viewing (I was 17, in film class)--but when Criterion came out with its restored version, my eyes popped. What a moving picture that is. It probably helps that I have a very high tolerance for paint-drying type movies (e.g. 2001, Solaris, Stalker, Russian Ark etc), a love of old movies as well as new, and an obsession with visuals...

I'm just such an Orson fangirl, I can't help enjoying CK--though, admittedly, it's Touch of Evil and The Trial which slightly bore/irritate me, much to my shame (sometimes there's such a thing as too much overlapping dialogue). BUT I still love them for plot, structure, and certain incredible scenes. He did a great job on all of them, but then again, I think even F for Fake is a standout.

My favourite Welles: CK, Othello, The Third Man, The Stranger and The Lady from Shanghai which I'm convinced could well be the first-ever onscreen funhouse-mirror action sequence (anyone know?), and it's brillo.

Posted by: Ranylt at July 25, 2007 3:55 PM

Oh, and one more thing:

Yay for reviews of old classics! More, please? (F'r example, a review of a '30s or '40s movie that has stood the test of time -- *cough*His Girl Friday*cough* -- would be lovely.)

Posted by: Heqit at July 25, 2007 3:55 PM

I don't know that CK deserves the #1 seat, but it's still a top 10 for me. I've probably seen it beginning to end 5 times since I was 15. I see different things every time. Great performances, and a cinematic work of art.

frumpiefox, bite me. Old movies rule.

Posted by: Cris at July 25, 2007 4:03 PM

Never have seen Citizen Kane, however, I do know plenty about W.R. Hearst. Thank you for reinforcing my theory that it should only be seen for technical and historical achievements.

I love Casablanca. Hell, I own it. The original Psycho terrifies me to this day. I still think that Gone with the Wind will always classify as my favorite movie of all time (the full length edition, not the tv shortened version). As for The Godfather, certainly one of the best movies of all time. I feel that most any older movie (1960's prior)is generally going to better than 98% of the stuff made today. There are very few actors and actresses who could match people like Bette Davis, Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart, etc. today.

Posted by: Melody at July 25, 2007 4:07 PM

I love this damn movie. I love the ending. It gives the central idea of the whole movie in a single image, a heartbreaking truth of life that movies almost always ignore.

After Kane died, the reporter was sent around to interview those who knew him best to decipher the man. He spoke to everyone who knew Kane well, and none of them knew what "Rosebud" meant. The movie is a mystery story, and the mystery is "who is Charles Foster Kane?"

In the end, we find out that nobody knew him at all. The secret heart of the man would always be a mystery. The movie's central idea is, at least in my interpretation, that nobody really knows anybody else, nor can we.

My guess is that the movie is interesting if you get sucked into the mystery of "who is Kane," and dull as crap if you don't. I saw the movie in high school and was totally mesmerized. Lots of "classics" suck ass. Not "Kane."

Posted by: Soulless Merchant of Fear at July 25, 2007 4:10 PM

Pile on? Sure! I'm in the "I liked it okay but never understood the hoopla" camp; I understand why it's a classic, but the idea that it's the GFOAT is simply not plausible.

Major props to Casablanca, His Girl Friday, and others that still accomplish today what they intended to and did accomplish initially -- just about anything with Bogie or Cary Grant (let's not talk about the painfully inappropriate Gunga Din).

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at July 25, 2007 4:11 PM

Citizen Kane may be boring but you cannot refute its impact on the cinematic world. Watching CK is like reading a Flaubert story, it's boring as all hell but damned if he didn't revolutionize literary subjects forever. I think it's fair to be annoyed with the hype surrounding this film but I still believe we should give it credit where it's due. And that may be why it lands itself on so many lists, because of its impact rather than its content.

Posted by: Starbuck at July 25, 2007 4:12 PM

Thanks Dustin, Thank you.

Reason #45 Why I love Pajiba.

Posted by: wrighteous1 at July 25, 2007 4:19 PM

Sarafina, thank you! I've been asking that question for years. He's completely alone in the room, and you can see the nurse in the shot, down the hallway, out of range to hear him. I've asked the half dozen film professors I had, who all felt the need to show it, no matter what the focus of the class was, and the requisite film major "pedantic ex-boyfriends with wispy Ethan Hawke facial hair trying to look impressive" (aka Starbucks barista),and no one has even tried to come up with an answer. They just brush it aside, and start talking about the lighting.

While I won't say I completely hate Kane, it absolutely needs to move out of that number one movie of all time spot. I'll even go as far as out of the top 10. There have been far better movies since.

Posted by: audrey at July 25, 2007 4:25 PM

I can understand the lack of impact that Kane has to modern viewers. I find myself completely underwhelmed by all of the "classics" from that pre-1960 era in American filmmaking, with the possible exception of Wizard of Oz. There are too many "classic" movies from back then that are way too talky, with nasty music, excruciating pacing and uninteresting plot lines -- and I think this is just because moviemaking still hadn't shed it's formulaic conventions as to what you expected to see. At least Welles tried something inventive and, I think, he inspired many others to break out of the Hollywood convention -- I think a lot of the film's lasting legacy is because it was so incredibly different in form, from its contemporary US films, loaded with creativity, unique touches, interesting effects, and so on. But as a product of the era, and despite Welles' gifted vision, Kane is still infected with all the things that bore me to tears with American movies of that era.

Posted by: Eddie Walker at July 25, 2007 4:32 PM

I find it kind of funny that literally 90% of these posters are all, "WOW! I thought I was the only one! Thank you for admitting it finally!" Personally, as someone who is a fan of Citizen Kane, it seems more shameful to like the movie these days than to dislike it. Every single time I've admitted I enjoy it, I get jumped on. It seems like everyone pretends to 'get it', but they really don't, and we all know we don't 'get it' and we all talk about how we hate it but it still seems to be hailed by some people somewhere that we don't know.
I'm by no stretch of the word a movie snob; I am a film major but I do enjoy me some 'robots go boom' movies, too, in addition to classics like Citizen Kane.
I do agree that Citizen Kane is overrated, but gosh, I do love it. I know the whole 'scrappy reporter becomes corrupted' idea is cliche today, but I really enjoy the way it's set up in this movie. I could go on for a while listing reasons I like this movie, and why I find it entertaining (and, yes, moving, in a way - no crying, but it at least makes ME feel...emotions besides boredom). But like I said, I agree that it's overrated, and is unfairly set as the gold standard while there are much more warm, relatable films like His Girl Friday or You Can't Take it With You (my personal favorite classic) out there much more deserving of attention.

Posted by: Dora at July 25, 2007 4:33 PM

You can add me to the list of people that saw this at a young age and never really got why it makes so many people cream their pants.

I think the movie's current lack of effect on so many audience members is partially due to the fact that so many of the cinematic innovations piloted by CK have been used and reused so many times since that we've become insensitive to them. If you listen to my dad, who is edging in on his 70th birthday, it was a whole different experience seeing this movie for the first time sixty years ago.

Posted by: antoinette.jeanine at July 25, 2007 4:45 PM

I DO like CK, but I don't think the story holds up, just the technique. I really appreciate the shout-out to RKO 281. It was brilliantly done and far more exciting that CK could ever hope to be (plus Liev Schrieber is luscious) I LOVE old movies, anything Cary Grant, Bogie, Katherine Hepburn (African Queen anyone?) and lots of others. Second the vote to review some classic films here, too. Hell, we can only bitch about how much Adam Sandler now sucks so much, can't we?

And OH BOY, do A Separate Peace and Silas Marner blow!!! Oh, Emily Dickinson, anyone????

Posted by: dammitjanet at July 25, 2007 4:48 PM

Might I suggest RKO 281 as a more entertaining and thought-provoking alternative?

Posted by: ciji at July 25, 2007 4:50 PM

Dustin,

For (however briefly) slamming A Separate Peace, I think I just went a little gay for you.

Posted by: Lee at July 25, 2007 4:52 PM

Melody, how can you develop a "theory" about why Citizen Kane should be viewed when you've never seen it? Theories should be based on something more than opinions that aren't your own, shouldn't they?

Personally, I love Citizen Kane. The performances are very engaging, especially Welles- it's unbelievable how convincingly he carries himself as a man decades older than he really was at the time. That, to me, is even more impressive than the technical merits of the movie.

Posted by: Sheri at July 25, 2007 4:52 PM

goldend, I agree that Citizen Hearst is a great book and I'm much rather read it than watch the movie. But I have to say I felt the same about the Aviator - all I wanted was a really good Howard Hughes biography to sit down with instead of being beat over the head by the movie. Hearst was fantastically larger than life at the time (similar to Hughes, my dad wouldn't see the Aviator b/c he grew up in Hollywood right around that era and HH was a hero to him) and whether the movie does him justice or not is something I'm not certain about.

However there is a funny light comedy about a shooting that occurred on Hearst's yacht called Cat's Meow which interestingly dances around the idea that Hearst attempted to shoot Charlie Chaplin for putting the moves on his mistress. And it has Kirsted Dunst in it as Marion Davies and I don'd hate her in it! The rest of the cast is great, Edward Harriman as Hearst and my beloved Eddie Izzard as Chaplin!

Posted by: Anne (in Reno) at July 25, 2007 4:58 PM

This would make an excellent afternoon diversion! What are the most over-rated so-called "classic" movies of all time?

Posted by: Joe P at July 25, 2007 4:59 PM

First, Serafina & Audrey: The butler was in the room with Kane when he died although we don't see him. He mentions hearing Kane say it when he's being interviewed by he reporters, and he references "that other time too".

Second, I watched this movie twice in a row the first time I rented it. I still adore it. Maybe it is slow, and maybe the metaphor is weak, and there are surely movies of the same and earlier era's I enjoy more,
BUT
I can't help but get caught up in the marvelousness of the execution of the movie itself. The sets, the lighting, the shots, the make up, the editing, it's all so incredible. I may be a bit of a tech nerd, but I am totally willing to sacrifice a little bit of the narrative to old age, for the sake of the overall excellence of the film (although I think comparing it to a Michael Bay fiasco is a pretty cheap shot). And you know what? I get challenged for this stance all of the time, so really I'm not surprised by anyone's opinion here.

Posted by: mimssmle at July 25, 2007 5:12 PM

Finally! Someone else whose first word of description for this film is also "boring". I agree wholeheartedly. As a matter of fact, my mind has now been conditioned by this film, and I found myself nodding off just trying to read your description of the plot!

Posted by: staylor at July 25, 2007 5:14 PM

Lotta lemmings on this comment board, so I've got to say: Kane is one of my favorites. Watched it the first time at age 16 and was riveted. Still love to catch it whenever I can.

Posted by: bizzbo at July 25, 2007 5:16 PM

Agreed. I like another movie with Orson Welles much, much better: The Third Man.

Posted by: Ryan at July 25, 2007 5:33 PM

Liked CK, kinda sorta liked Silas Marner, loathed A Separate Peace. Does that give me eclectic tastes, or just a short attention span?

Posted by: rlr260 at July 25, 2007 5:36 PM

Thank you Dustin!! That needed to be said and you said it beautifully.

Posted by: SCG at July 25, 2007 5:46 PM

I remember being disappointed the first time I saw Citizen Kane--it had been built up so much--but the images and parts of the dialogue stick with me like few other films.

Posted by: ecp at July 25, 2007 6:03 PM

LOVED CK. Saw it for the first time about three months ago. Not being one of those educated cinemaphiles, I figured I wouldn't get it, but thought it'd be worth a shot.

The most moving part for me was after whats-her-face left him and he started just destroying her room. For the first time ever, he's showing a real emotion. I think he's just enraged because she TOTALLY called him out -- he didn't love her; he loved having her.

I would've loved that scene even more if my mom hadn't entered the room and said, "What is he doing?? Why is he doing that? He is making such a mess."

I liked A Separate Peace and never read Silas Marner. I love Casablanca and cry at the end every time -- and sometimes even rewind it so that I can cry again.

I second the idea of an ACD w/ favorite old movies or most overrated old movies!!

Posted by: Jelinas at July 25, 2007 6:19 PM

Fuck, I wish I could have watched this in my Study of Film class, but my teacher was a blithering idiot. We watched classics such as Poppeye (no I'm not fucking kidding) and Robin Hood (Kevin Costner is the worst fucking actor ever). That was a fluff class I could have done without...

Posted by: Vctoria at July 25, 2007 6:27 PM

I (now) loathe Gone With the Wind. The first time I saw it (in HS), I thought it was great. I loved the costumes, and thought there was quite a bit of humor in it. I tried to watch it again, and realized that it was nothing more than a horrendous bodice-ripper dragged out over four torturous hours. Added to that, Scarlett O'Hara is the single most obnoxious heroine I've ever had the misfortune to endure. And I love Vivien Leigh.

Posted by: pinkcheese at July 25, 2007 6:34 PM

And here I thought I was just missing something. I love me some Orson Welles (nice shout-out from Ranylt to The Third Man and The Lady from Shanghai...my personal favorites) but gosh darn it if I can't get into this one.

Casablanca should totally have ranked #1.

Posted by: elle dee at July 25, 2007 6:54 PM

I've seen this movie twice. The first time I hated it and only watched all of it to see what Rosebud was. The second time was at the end of a film class and I kind of like it, if only because I was made aware of all the stuff Orson Welles puts in there. The story is not engaging on its own, but if you want to see it once just to say you did, please take a film class and nerd it up.

Posted by: Chesnut at July 25, 2007 6:59 PM

Ha, I love it! I have been waiting for someone else to voice this forbidden opinion, one which I have also secretly held for so long. I have never understood why Kane always has to be rated the absolute best film of all time.

I love film, and I don't make any bones about holding to an "elitist" standard where quality counts for more than popular appeal. That said, historical landmark firsts mean nothing to me when it comes to rating a film. That's strictly the domain of the film historians, not that of the film lovers. Two completely different things.

I don't come away from Kane with anything but a sense of boredom and disappointment, either.

Posted by: DW at July 25, 2007 7:00 PM

as someone who taught the history of French film to undergrads, and who had to hear umpteen cries of "ANOTHER black and white one?!", you touch upon an interesting point about old movies in general--that they contain so many inaccessible qualities. however, i think it's somewhat lazy to just write it off as a lousy story and thus an overrated film. you must feel the same then about the 400 Blows, and many other similarly dated-but-important films. Is it worth losing a sense of the cinema as it used to be in order to avoid the "work" of putting ourselves in the place of an audience in 1941 or 1959? I don't know...

Posted by: ev at July 25, 2007 7:12 PM

Thank you for the 'Singles' referece in the title. It made my day:)

"I was walking down the avenue hoohoo, hoo hoo
And I was looking at the garbage cans hoohoo, hoo hoo"

C -- I'm simply elated that someone caught it. It's sort of a triple entendre. -- DR

Posted by: Constance at July 25, 2007 7:23 PM

Personally, I preferred Saturday Night Live's ending to the movie...

I have never been able to get through the original - I remember the first attempt was made with my mother visiting, and we kept asking "but when does the good part start?" We turned it off and watched Auntie Mame with Rosalind Russell instead.

Posted by: funtime42 at July 25, 2007 8:51 PM

Brilliant! Now please do Casablanca.

Posted by: greer at July 25, 2007 8:59 PM

Speaking of hype: Gone with the Wind. Maybe it's because I'm African American, but the racial stereotypes made my skin crawl. Butterfly McQueen made me want to cry. Yeah, it was made before people knew better, but whenever I watch those scenes I'm so easily reminded of "Birth of a Nation".

Posted by: cijic at July 25, 2007 9:12 PM

THIS WEEKEND, WE ROCK PORTLAND!

(and thank you, Mark Arm, for facilitating)


I was forcefed Kane at an early age (beginning the stacking of mental notes for when *I* was Arty Uncle down the road. ie. "Make the goodies available, don't make them detention") and didn't bother with it for many years. It *is* slow, and you can certainly poke holes in the plot, but I still like to look at it, and I think it's wittier than some others here might think. Kinda like The Third Man, I don't often get a jones to put it on, but once it's going I'm paying attention. It's not especially *fun*, and I do want fun from my movies and novels, I pretty much demand it, but I just love that Gregg and the Mercury rapscallions actually made the outlandish damn thing.

Plus, we also wouldn't have innumerable MST3K references, "The Union Forever" OR the end of "The Homecoming Queen's Got A Gun". So there ya go.

Posted by: Jay at July 25, 2007 9:15 PM

Constance, that was a sick catch. When I saw your comment, I looked to my immediate right, where my ten-times viewed copy of Singles was resting among the others, and thought, "WTF is she talking about?"

Ev, the thing is that a lot of those old b/w films stand up with no special consideration for when they were made; where does that rank as a factor for judging those films today? No allowances need be made for Casablanca, for example. Some folks here don't like that film, but the strong sentiment seems to be that it's better than CK and holds up better. Despite being a child of the 70's and having a strong sense of 90's and 00's film as my taste, I maintain that Bogie and Ingrid bring it strong every time.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at July 25, 2007 9:32 PM

Thatcher: What would you like to have been?

CFK: Everything you hate.

I really liked CK, I saw it on TCM one night. I had only intended to watch a few minutes, but was quickly drawn into it and ended up watching the whole thing. I don't get that people think it is slow-moving. As I remember it (I've seen another time since then, about a year ago) many of the scenes and transitions were fairly brief - one of the things that surprised me about it was the fact that the pacing seemed more like contemporary films than other older movies.

Posted by: Dignan at July 25, 2007 10:50 PM

I love you. I fell asleep toward the end, and I was happy about that.

Posted by: Cindy at July 25, 2007 10:51 PM

I've never seen CK, but I can honestly say that I believe that Casablanca was gypped. It certainly may not have the technical stylings, but it's sexy as hell, entertaining, and oft-quoted.

And I'm really sad about the lack of love for Silas Marner. I heart that novel.

Posted by: bonnie at July 25, 2007 11:25 PM

Although we disagree about what a great film CK is Dustin, I still love you. In fact, if it wasn't for Mrs. Pajiba-Hyphenate and the little Pajibambino, I would track you down and make you my man.
Is it the greatest film of all time? That is such a subjective question, why bother asking (to compose lists and get several three hour shows from the AFI on CBS, I guess). Everyone has their own opinion and to each his own.
When I saw CK for the first time I was mesmerized and loved every bit of it from the technical aspects to the story itself and I say this not because I am a film snob either. This film just did it for me. And for those of you who found it severely lacking in all aspects, that's fine too.
If we all agreed on everything at this site there would be no joy in coming to it. So please, keep the scathing reviews for bitchy people coming. I would not want it any other way.

Posted by: jen310 at July 26, 2007 12:16 AM

"But it wouldn't be on mine. Despite the fact that I can respect and appreciate its significance in cinematic history, based solely on entertainment value, I hate Citizen Kane. Given its importance to the future of film, it's hard to argue that it's overrated, but from the standpoint of a guy who wants to sit in front of a movie screen, chomp on nachos, and feel something -- scared, adrenalized, intrigued, warm and fuzzy, or moved to tears -- there's absolutely nothing redeeming about Citizen Kane. Narratively, it's inert. "

Dustin, I have to say, I've lost a little bit of respect for you for having typed this. This is the first time I've given up on one of your reviews without finishing it.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but that opinion, in MY opinion, is wrong. :-P

Posted by: Armando at July 26, 2007 12:39 AM

Oh, and before you show up at my house with some kerosene and a match (thanks, Quizlaw!), I am, indeed, engaging in some hyperbole. I still respect you, Dustin. You're wrong about Citizen Kane and you probably have no soul, but hey-nobody's perfect. :-P

Posted by: Armando at July 26, 2007 12:42 AM

It's shit, people. - Dustin Rowles on Citizen Kane -

Very well put! It's about time all of us WTF is so special about CK people can socialize together without(too much) flak from the weirdos who think it's the shiznit.

The Fifth Element is on my top 100 list* along with 12 Monkeys. Where's the Pajiba 12 Monkeys and Fifth Element review?

Final Fantasy may have received bad reviews, I loved it and it's 10x the movie Citizen Kane is.

Citizen Kane is the most boring movie I've ever seen and I walked out of The Thin Red Line in the theaters(I'd rather watch TTRL over CK again). I gave CK a chance because of all the hype... CK isn't even on my top 500 list.

Dr. Strangelove is way way better than CK. Ghost Rider is better than CK!

To defend The Fifth Element to all of you who just got their panties in a bunch...

How many times have you seen it? My first viewing was in the theater, with all the hype surrounding it I HAD to see it. I left thinking, meh, what was so great about that? The soundtrack is AMAZING!
I watched it again in the theater, and LOVED the movie! I've recommended it to others...many love it, the ones who don't I tell them, well watch it again and get back to me. It's neat that every so often one of those people contact me and say hey, so I watched The Fifth Element again, and you're right, it's much better on the second viewing.


*get real, top ten in movies is too difficult to do, barely passable if you do top ten from a certain genre.

Posted by: WhoWhatWhere at July 26, 2007 1:13 AM

Saw it once, a pretty long time ago, and remember it as pretty slow and boring. My reaction to it was the same as to "GWTW" - it's hard to empathize with rich people. If that makes any sense.

Posted by: LL at July 26, 2007 1:36 AM

If I'm gonna read another one of those "THANK YOU DUSTIN, YOU'RE MY MAN/HERO/TWIN, ETC" comments, I'm gonna blow my brains out. Thank you for what? For making you feel good about your lazy asses? I don't mind the article, actually from the 136778 lectures I ever got on why CK is boring, it is probably the most articulate and sorta funny- I mean comparing Welles' storytelling skills with those of M. Bay?! LOL But it's almost like these comments are the reason people that like CK are way cooler (than ever). Not snobs and wierdoes. CK is in my top 10 greatest movies ever made and in my top 20 favourites. Good gawd, what will you say about my no. 1, La regle du jeu? My husband said the women in it are ugly. I heard numerous times that I should't watch The Philadelphia Story as it is for preadolescent whiny girls and everyone in it talks funny and can't act. Fuck you. I agree with the comment that saying CK is great became the embarassement instead of the opposite. That's really sad. I say you should be embarassed and not me.

Posted by: jana at July 26, 2007 1:51 AM

THANK YOU DUSTIN, YOU'RE THE MAN/HERO/TWIN, ETC

Posted by: WhoWhatWhere at July 26, 2007 2:25 AM

oh sweet jesus, thank crap i'm not the only one who thought citizen kane was about as useful as a tineless fork.

Posted by: betsy at July 26, 2007 3:02 AM

Not that there's that much wrong with what you wrote, but please don't turn this site into another Slate. For the love of imaginary God, please don't.

Posted by: Piato at July 26, 2007 3:17 AM

Specifically in the field of entertainment, why is it so goddamn common that the definitions of 'important' and 'good' get conflated? Yes, Kane is important. No, its not that good.


Cork sniffing artsy farts are very, very good at recognizing and lauding important works; they also seem to suck to an equal degree at recognizing and lauding good ones. That seems pretty ironic to me, given how mind bogglingly subjective the entire domain is.

Posted by: obregon at July 26, 2007 3:17 AM

My God! I'm agreeing with Dustin!!!

I've always thought that "Touch of Evil" was a far better Welles film then"Kane" ((Even with Charlton Heston), but was far less well known. I hope more folks look it up.

Posted by: Adam C at July 26, 2007 3:31 AM

Yeah, Dustin's the man for saying what everyone has said for years. Yipee. This film has had just as much unwarranted backlash as it has praise. If you don't enjoy the technical genius of this film that's your loss. Recognize it for what it is and nothing more - which is why so many people see it in film classes in the first place. Both Welles and Toland did an utterly amazing job with CK and I find myself plenty entertained just watching them in action. If you're looking to eat nachos and FEEL, well, maybe it's not quite that kind of film?

Posted by: markus at July 26, 2007 3:45 AM

You know I totally understand why peoiple don't like it - as a story structure its grossly un-calssical. Ignoring virtually every precept of Aristotelian dramatic structure that makes so many of the classics so watchable and re-watchable.
But boring, never.

Transformers was boring, as was Spiderman 3. The Star Wars prequels were some of the most arm-chewingly boring films ever produced, as are the Saw movies and most poor horror/gore flicks.

I like it. Just for all the bits it does so perfectly that quintillions of films have done so badly. And for anyone who ever goes woah at the way a scene is edited, or a shot is constructed its a fascinating film. I don't heart it the way I do something like White Heat, or Bringing up Baby, or the Big Lebowski but its definately a top 50 for me.

And I shed a silent tear for the Pajiban who dusnae like 7 Samurai.

Posted by: PyD at July 26, 2007 5:02 AM

I probably would have liked CK a lot more, were it not for the fact, that damn near every scene brought to mind flash backs of when The Simpsons parodied it

Posted by: loathable cockroach at July 26, 2007 5:54 AM

Thank fucking God. I'm the only one in my little circle of people/friends that fucking hates Citizen Kane. Glad there's others that feel the same way.

Posted by: Dita at July 26, 2007 6:22 AM

Melody, how can you develop a "theory" about why Citizen Kane should be viewed when you've never seen it? Theories should be based on something more than opinions that aren't your own, shouldn't they?

I understand your question and will elaborate. I have formed by theories about CK through attempts to watch it with others, articles about it, other people's reviews, and a relatively true theory that most films that highly rated tend to suck be it visually or the storyline. Either way, CK has never just been my cup of tea. I will recognize it technical achievements, but there are far better stories and equally far worse to me.

Hope that this clarifies my opinion.

Posted by: Melody at July 26, 2007 9:31 AM

Too many comments to see if anyone else is of the same opinion....but if I had to makie a top 100 list CASABLANCA would shit ALL OVER citizen kane and rest squraely at number 1. I have seen that movie dozens of times and i'm still enthralled every time. Fuck CFK!

Posted by: PissBoy at July 26, 2007 9:39 AM

Greatest movie ever? The Passion of Joan of Arc.

Posted by: wealhtheow at July 26, 2007 9:48 AM

Oh, wealhtheow, I am with you on that. I finally saw that movie after reading about it for years. No wonder Maria Falconetti went a little wacky after making it. It is an incredibly intense film, with great techniques, and it is still hard to believe it is a silent made in the 1920's in Denmark. My daughter and I watched it, and it really freaked her out.

Posted by: dammitjanet at July 26, 2007 10:01 AM

Blasphemy! That is all that I can say. It is not only the greatest TECHNICAL FILM of all time but it is one of the timeless stories about what it means to be American. I COMPLETELY disagree with you this. If you want tear-jerking go see "The Notebook" and leave CK alone.

Posted by: Blackcapricorn at July 26, 2007 10:11 AM

When I saw Citizen Kane in the context created by film class it was amazing; the only other film that had the same WOW effect on me was Clockwork Orange.

If you are a film person, and clearly this site is a mecca for us, you see films repeatedly and it is only the very best of them that always impress or have elements you can discuss or an emotional impact on your umpteenth viewing. Whenever I watch Casablanca, I get choked up when they sing the Marseillaise and when I watch Citizen Kane I marvel at the technical accomplishments. Gregg Toland is a GOD. This is not to say that I do not react to the narrative aspects of the film and I think that Orson Welles gives a stunning performance that manages to be at times unbelievably charismatic and at times repellent. That is quite an achievement.

It's funny how groundbreaking films do or do not stand the test of time, especially if their most ingenious aspects are linked to film history.

Posted by: Henry at July 26, 2007 10:37 AM

Hmmm... watched Kane once, never had the urge to see it again. I'd rather enjoy a film than appreciate it.

Posted by: Craig at July 26, 2007 10:47 AM

The wife mentioned this point about CK: if he dies alone, how the hell does anyone know his last word was 'Rosebud?'

Posted by: ZEROOO at July 26, 2007 10:52 AM

TK! you liked Magnificent Seven more than Seven Smaurai?!?!? WTF??

(Hee hee, kidding. I love Seven Samurai, but I saw it only after having a history lesson, and reading The Last Samurai, by H. DeWitt. Great book.

Anyhoo, I like Citizen Kane, but then again I watch more movies pre-1950 than I do contemporary, so I'm a bit biased. Yeah for the only good thing Ted Turner has ever done: Turner Classic Movie channel. No commericals! :)

Posted by: boo a.k.a. nexus 6 at July 26, 2007 11:42 AM

"pedantic ex-boyfriends with wispy Ethan Hawke facial hair trying to look impressive"
hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahah! i had one of those. good times.

i thought i was the only one that hated this movie.

Posted by: judy at July 26, 2007 11:45 AM

Nice to read the text and the comments, cause I always thought I was alone in that. Let me add that I really don't hate Kane; the only time I watched it, all I could say was "Well, nice" and moved on. Many other films left way better impressions.

Like Dustin, I can (kinda) see what's the appeal to a lot of people, but we're living in 2007 and some things just get old, no matter what. And it seems to me, always have, that this movie has been revered by mere formalism (genius in that) rather than for being some really good story (interesting enough, but dull) or some fantastically-conduced direction (apart from the formal aspect, it's just the usual). Huge then, big later, regular now.

Anyway, congrats on pointing this out publicly.

Posted by: Gargumma at July 26, 2007 11:45 AM

I don't agree with the posters saying that you can't be young and enjoy Citizen Kane. I was born nearly a half a century after it was made, and it's still in my top 4.
It seems that among cinema buffs, its experiencing a kind of belated backlash. I do not think it is overrated at all, nor will I say as much because that happens to be "in" at the moment

Posted by: katjenlily at July 26, 2007 12:09 PM

Great idea for an "unconventional" review.
Do some more classics! And cult classics!

Posted by: Natalie at July 26, 2007 1:05 PM

I heartily agree with other posters in this forum--review more of the classics!

Posted by: Rebecca at July 26, 2007 1:34 PM

Speaking of hype: Gone with the Wind. Maybe it's because I'm African American, but the racial stereotypes made my skin crawl. Butterfly McQueen made me want to cry. Yeah, it was made before people knew better, but whenever I watch those scenes I'm so easily reminded of "Birth of a Nation".

Okay, before I launch into a diatribe: Birth of a Nation != KKK propaganda, which is where I assume your comment was going to go, if it was longer. I honestly think it was a great, albeit highly controversial (an underestimation), movie.

And Gone with the Wind was made in 1939, while Birth of a Nation was made in 1915. In between those times, you were considered black via the "one drop" rule (if a black person could be traced in your genealogy, then you were black, too), and, at one point, it was considered a disease and a form of mental retardation to have dark pigment to your skin. Think on it, and tell me if it would be normal for directors to cast black people in any roles outside of servants / slaves, etc. Some of the best pieces have come from such casting, however (see: Paul Robeson's "Ol' Man River" from 1927's Showboat, which YouTube seems to have taken down, sadly). The serving woman in Gone with the Wind, Mammy, also won an Oscar for Best Actress in a Supporting Role.

Posted by: duckandcover at July 26, 2007 1:43 PM

Gee, can someone pass me the kool-aid. I must have gone to the bathroom or something when it was served. "Citizen Kane" is remarkable on many levels, not the least of which is the impact it had on the studio system in place at the time. Maybe storytelling isn't it's strongest suit, but it's moviemaking at it's very finest, an example of the possibility of film. The fact that we live in an age of secular cynicism does in no way detract from my appreciation for Welles and his great achievement.

Posted by: James S at July 26, 2007 2:36 PM

You have yourself another wannabe Mrs. Pajiba-hyphenate, sir.

...though I suppose my husband might object a little bit, not to mention what your wife would say...

Posted by: Janet at July 26, 2007 3:10 PM

Transformers > Citizen Kane.

If CK were released today it would have the scathiest review on Pajiba and have 0% on RT.

It's shit, as previously stated and defending it only makes the defender look pretty pathetic. Storytelling not it's strongest suit? Isn't that the entire point of a movie? The story???

So the story sucked, but the moviemaking was fine?

You CK lovers love Gigli too, don't ye?

As oft quoted...what a maroon!

Posted by: WhoWhatWhere at July 26, 2007 3:16 PM

Kane>colonoscopy>Transformers

Posted by: pyd at July 26, 2007 3:58 PM

I don't think that the comment about taking Citizen Kane out of its original time period renders it unwatchable (as per Dano's post). If that were true, then pieces of work could only be accessible by people alive during that time period and that's certainly not true; if it were, I would not be reading "Moby-Dick" in class and crying at the end.

And finally, thank you so much for posting this article. I was always made fun of for not liking this movie--like it meant I was illiterate or something. Psssh. Whatever. Now I have a smart article to wave in their faces. Do more classics!

Posted by: Twaingirl at July 26, 2007 5:08 PM

man youve just fueled the idiot fire. "alright, finally, its ok to ignore classic films because they ARE boring!" granted, im not a fan of citizen kane by any means...im a film school student...film school students generally hate that movie...but i think that your reasons or disliking it aren't all that valid. youve got to appreciate the movie for the era it came out in...movies you probably think are amazing now will seem ridiculous 60 some odd years from now due to changing values, so to hit at a movie for something like that seems ridiculous. so i guess what im saying is, i agree with your general opinion of the film, but not in how you've presented it. now, if you'll excuse me, i have a wispy moustache to groom.

Posted by: laughingman at July 26, 2007 5:26 PM

Ah, you darn kids.

Dustin, you lost me with this one. I agree that Kane is sometimes slow, sometimes erratic, much contrived, but it is also glorious in oh, so many ways because it isn't JUST a film, it is a parable, a satire, an epic tome to the American Dream. It is mesmerizing in ways still untouched by modern film-makers. In my opinion, only Fellini on occasion and maybe Spielberg have come close to such transcending perfection.

You limit your critique essentially to story-telling. That is insulting not only to the movie but to yourself as a critic in that you can't see what this movie does and has done.

This movie is to like jazz, fine wine or older women, the young won't truly understand or appreciate it until they mature.

Now Dustin, don't misunderstand me. I like your reviews. I come here first before seeing any movie. Sometimes I come here after I see a movie in order to validate whatever tripe I had just seen (Spidey 3, ick!) But I think you are narrowing your views with Kane. Applying low-brow contempt to counter the high-brow elitists. I get that, but beg you to consider Kane with a more worldly approach.

The film, even with any and all flaws (Joseph Cotton is a god-awful actor!) is a work of genius.

Posted by: me at July 26, 2007 5:33 PM

Several of the reasons why I love Citizen Kane:

-It was ballsy to take on Hearst. I'm not sure that we have an appreciation these days for the kind of power a man like Hearst had. As much sway as people like Murdoch and Turner have held on the media, they're not powerful enough to start wars. (Only cover them poorly.) I'm also on the RKO-281 bandwagon. It's an HBO movie, so it's fairly down and dirty, with a great pathetic John Malkovich performance. You feel bad for Marion Davies, Hearst's mistress. Kane portrays her as weak and troubled, not to mention untalented, which was not the case. A flaw in an otherwise pretty great script.

-Orson Welles was 24 when he made this. What were you doing when you were 24?

-Joseph Cotten as an old man in the hospital begging the reporter to go buy him a cigar. I could listen to that for hours.

-It's the first post-modern movie. It was so ahead of it's time that post-modernism was a generation late in catching up, when people like Kubrick and Fellini and Bergman picked up the torch for weirdness.

-Every frame is rich with detail. It can be fun to watch, if you're in the right frame of mind, or have an eye for design, art, architecture, production value, craft, drama, language, talent or genius.

-It captures Welles in his prime, and it's a great performance. He doesn't try to make Kane likeable: Kane is so charming in the early years that you feel more and more for him as he falls into the familiar patterns of power, and wastes all that promise.

Unless you're an unfortunate film major, or the unfortunate girlfriend of a douchebag, no one is forcing you to watch Citizen Kane. There's always Transformers.

Posted by: goofusiscool at July 26, 2007 8:27 PM

I read A Separate Peace when I was in seventh grade, and I loved it. What, you're going to get down on English teachers, now? Dammit.

Posted by: Ariel at July 26, 2007 10:21 PM

"...but along the way, he loses his soul, represented by 'Rosebud,' a memory rekindled on his deathbed by a fucking snow globe."

The ending would have been better if it turned out that the snowglobe was actually being held by an autistic child! Yeah, that would have been sweet.

Family Guy on Citizen Kane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzJpxJcmAuc

Posted by: Geetch at July 26, 2007 11:09 PM

I first saw Citizen Kane in my humanities class senior year of high school. And the teacher built it up for days and days, so I didn't have the guts to stand up afterwards and say: "That's it? That's the big f-ing deal?"

I, too, respect its historical significance, I just don't happen to think it's a good movie.

Posted by: Chris at July 27, 2007 9:47 AM

Like anything else its best to put it in the context of the time the movie was made. A film which looked so deeply into the vestiges of power, corruption and peccadillos of the rich and wealthy was a novelty and explored daring new territory. Of course, as stated above, its normal now in our more skeptical society to accept these things as they are, but new and daring then. The pictures which we think of as daring and cutting edge now will probably leave folks cold and indifferent to the reviewers and audiences nearly 70 years from now, just as Citizen Kane leaves folks today.

Posted by: Sam at July 27, 2007 11:29 AM

I'm in the CK-is-amazing camp. Fine, it's not many people's cup of tea plot-wise, but the movie did so, so much cinematically and technologically with so, so little (compared to today). I couldn't take my eyes of Orson Welles - he is fantastic. Placing Welles in the same camp as the likes of Michael Bay? C'mon. Ridiculous.

The anti-Kane commentary brings to mind my many, many attempts to read William Faulkner. I have tried - mightily - to finish his books and just can't. I see this inability, however, as my own intellectual shortcoming. I don't turn around and say "William Faulkner is soooooo overrated. He couldn't hold my attention for a second." I don't have the hubris to dismiss out of hand critical acclaim by hundreds of critics/scholars with far more education and expertise than I'll ever have who deem Faulkner among the greats.

Posted by: Samantha T at July 27, 2007 11:50 PM

LOL! I was just getting ready to write a blog post about seeing CK for the first time recently, and how boring I found it to be. Instead, I'll just link over here. You say it so much more eloquently than I, Dustin.

Posted by: Natalee at July 28, 2007 2:04 AM

Thank you, Laughing Man. Dustin, I get that this review is good publishing in the sense of creating controversy. However I disagree with your rationale.

It's a great film. It's still a great film.

Posted by: Dot at July 28, 2007 9:38 AM

Hated Citizen Kane, loved A Separate Peace. Of course I read ASP in middle school, so I have no idea if it would hold up to an adult re-reading. I watched CK as a grown-ass woman and hated every minute of it.

Posted by: Becca at July 28, 2007 11:14 AM

Oh thank the LORD. I always felt pretty inferior because I JUST didn't get the appeal of this movie. Hell, I fell asleep within the first 45 minutes the first three times I tried to watch it.

Then a couple of years ago, in desperation, I drank a pot of coffee and forced myself to watch the whole thing.

I was so disappointed, I figured I must have missed something essential. After all, it's THE NUMBER ONE MOVIE OF ALL TIME. I figured the fault was within me.

Posted by: Kathy at July 28, 2007 7:49 PM

Ah, I love the smell of Citizen Kane-bashing in the morning. (Guess what my fave film is. And yeah, I use the word "film." I'm a jerk.)

It was a film of its time, so of course it's boring now in this MTV, ADHD, jaded age. Rich people behaving badly is now the bread and butter of journalism but back then when PR machines had their people on tighter leashes, it was a big effing deal when a public figure was taken to task.

I like CK's technical tricks, because Welles was a mad genius of sorts who threw a lot of stuff at the wall to see what would stick. So what if the story isn't ripping? It was different and daring at the time.

Posted by: polite jerk at July 29, 2007 1:37 AM

I'm 21 and I LOVE old movies. The Philadelphia Story and It Happened One Night are 2 of my fvorites. I have only seen Citizen Kane twice. I had heard about it for years, and then when I read about it I kind of became obsessed with seeing it. I wasn't disappointed or bored to tears at all. I'll admit that it takes a while to get into to. The older Charles Foster Kane gets, the more unlikable he becomes. But there were some funny parts in the movie, especially the whole giant jigsaw puzzle thing. Joseph Cotten was great I think, and he and Orsen Welles worked together alot. So if you don't like Citizen Kane I suggest The Third Man. I do wonder though, if this were made today or remade, would it still be recived the way it was when it was first released. It pretty much bombed, thanks in large part to William Randolph Hearst.

Posted by: B at July 29, 2007 4:21 AM

I've always felt like I respected Citizen Kane rather than liked it, so I definitely see where you're coming from. I didn't find it terribly boring, however. Then again, I was far more willing to sit through Tideland than either of my parents, so maybe I'm just freakishly patient sometimes.

And whoever said they didn't like Gone with the Wind, thank you. I hate, hate, hate that movie. Not in the least bit romantic to me, and Scarlett's delusions were possibly the most infuriating things put on screen. Okay, I'm done now.

Posted by: kalexal at July 29, 2007 5:27 PM

Citizen Kane is great. To read this thread I'd have no idea how it attained the reputation it has.

Transformers sucks.

Colonoscopies suck.

Touch Of Evil is the overrated Welles film.

And A Separate Peace? Overrated as all hell.

Posted by: Rob at July 30, 2007 12:34 AM

I've just been to the imdb checking up on Ingmar Bergman since he died today and it seems like he beat Dustin on this matter:


[on Orson Welles] "For me he's just a hoax. It's empty. It's not interesting. It's dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of- is all the critics' darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it's a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie's got is absolutely unbelievable."

Posted by: Daniel L. at July 30, 2007 6:23 AM

Okay, CK is existential to the industry and all that but so was penicillin respectively which, in the end, was just mould!

Posted by: Nxx at August 1, 2007 2:53 AM

CK has a special place in my heart because my best friend's grandfather, George Coulouris, played the Guardian. George was a character actor for most of his life, and this was probably the most important role he ever played. He was also a marvellous man, as warm and friendly as the character was cold.

It's also worth seeing CK at least once so one can fully enjoy the parodies. SNL's version would not have been nearly as hysterical to me otherwise.

Posted by: elsworthy at August 1, 2007 11:04 AM

My local revival theater is showing Citizen Kane this month and I can't wait to see it again. I try to see it on the big screen, in a pristine copy, every time it plays. The cinematography (ok, fancy word, sorry) is remarkable even now.

It is a film that yes, may be dated in some respect, but has some moments that will always get me. Joseph Cotten's performance as Kane's best friend for example. His starry-eyed admiration of Kane in their early days together, and his stark disappoinment in his behavior later always get to me.

Posted by: usernoodle at August 1, 2007 7:53 PM

I've only been reading film reviews on Pajiba for a few months now and have absolutely loved every single one. They have been insightful, lol hilarious and, yes, scathing. I came to actually look forward to reading each week's new reviews.

And then I read this. All I can say now is, I feel sorry for you.

Dustin Rowles, you may portray yourself as a lover of films, but alas, I think you may not have the heart for the business. Trashing classic films of the past for not being, in your mind, timely? That's just sad. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. Farewell, Pajiba, farewell...

Posted by: Shawn at August 6, 2007 3:10 PM

You suggest citizen Kane is outdated and boring for today's audiences. However, never have I seen a more fascinating film that so skillfully deals with the unscrupulous thirst for power and the psychological complexities of a powerful, national tycoon.
Simply because you are not able to relate to 1940's society or actually stay awake during the film, does not turn it into a bad movie.

Posted by: Dave at August 7, 2007 3:17 AM

I think that "Citizen Kane" might come of as stodgy to today's filmgoers but despite it's content it is the form in which Citzen Kane was structured which makes it exceptional. From the Robet Wise's editing to Bernard Hermann's score Kane is throughly modern in every sense of the word.

I have a little anecdote about Bergman via Cassavetes' "Faces." John Marley comes home from a day at the office and his wife asks him what to do for a night out.

"How bout we go see that new Bergman movie?"

"Why would I want to get depressed?"

Posted by: Mr. West at August 12, 2007 4:30 PM

Blimey - am gob-smacked. Now while I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the best film of all time, far from it, but it certainly deserves to be in the top 100. Not just for the techniques Welles used, or how way ahead of his time he was, not even because he basically took on not only the studios but the most powerful man in America - but because it's a good flick. Obviously it's lost all the impact now that it had when it was first released, but the story is cracking, the acting top notch and the narrative legendary.

I had the misfortune last night to catch "War of the Worlds" on cable. bleh. Anyway, thought I'd tap into the review database and see what Pajiba had to say about it. This is why I'm so gob-smacked: how can you give that piece of crap a glowing review and then tell us that Kane is shit and you hate it?

Posted by: Lise at August 16, 2007 9:07 AM

Dustin...YOU MY MAIN MAN! You had the balls to say what I dared not speak...and thanks to all the guys who admitted that Citizen Kane bored the crap out of them! I thought I was the only one. Now I know I'm not alone.

Posted by: Jaideep at August 18, 2007 2:06 PM

Well, my jaw still drops to the floor whenever I see this movie.

Technique aside, (impossible of course, since the
flick is an organic whole, but for sake of arguement...)-

-Can it be possible that the memory of a pretty girl in a white dress on the ferry from Hoboken, means so little to people now?

If the answer is 'yes', then Citizen Kane is an even better film than I thought.

Posted by: robot monster at August 20, 2007 4:42 AM

I can't believe my eyes. I, the girl who slept through half of my intro film class (including Jaws) and who usually disagrees with the Pajibans because they appreciate movies I find fucking boring - I loved Citizen Kane. Yes, I had to watch it for a film class, and no, I didn't find it boring at all. I'm not sure why, but watching his life slowly blossom and then unravel was incredibly gripping to me. I'm not sure why it couldn't still be considered relevant - the question of how a man is made and broken seems universally relevant to me.

Posted by: Claire at August 27, 2007 10:21 AM

this movie suckedd ass

Posted by: Berry at November 16, 2007 2:43 PM

HAHA i have to give 2 presentations on this stupid fucking movie today and i fell asleep sitting up the two times i watched it

Posted by: katie at November 27, 2007 11:38 AM

this was a goood movie and the group of people are creative and they need to make more movies like that. the 1990 and the 30ths are nice to know about and the things it is a fact about durning the movie.

Posted by: Miguel Avelar at January 17, 2008 2:35 PM