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Brideshead Revisited / Ranylt Richildis

Film Reviews | August 4, 2008 | Comments (71)


There are artists out there whose personalities or philosophies we might deplore, but whose works we cherish. Evelyn Waugh is exactly that to me. If I could resurrect him and sit him down to roast beef and pudding, the meal would devolve into hair-pulling and china-smashing before the gravy got cold. We’re that different, and I’d be that impatient with his insular conservatism, his nostalgia for an England that never existed for most of the population, his snobbery and his misogyny. The sentiment, of course, would be mutual; Waugh would hate me. I’m a New Woman with fangs. But even if his works express views I can’t support, I love Brideshead Revisited and A Handful of Dust, and read them with pleasure, and envy Waugh’s ability to turn a phrase and weave a theme. He’s one of the most significant and talented of the English Modernist writers, and his novels get to me. He may have been looking back with longing on Past Times while many of his peers were leaping forward, but he captured one half of the early twentieth-century Western zeitgeist so perfectly that his books are essential to our understanding of his era — more so the more time passes.

Given this, adapting Brideshead Revisited for the screen is a daunting task. Film adaptations of classic literature are squabbled over heatedly, I think, because many of us anoint those adaptations with a didactic duty we don’t foist on other types of movies. You gotta teach the novel, some would say, every time you film it, so you better get it right; novel adaptations are still more book than film in the minds of many. I’m not sure where I sit in that argument, but I know it’s a red one, and that it’s pretty much unavoidable. Not only did Julian Jarrold and his screenwriters have to do justice to one of the most vital (late) Modernist texts ever written, they also had to compete with one of the best literature adaptations I’ve ever seen: the 1981 BBC miniseries starring Jeremy Irons, John Gielgud, Laurence Oliver and Claire Bloom, which gave itself 10+ hours to feed on a book that, at barely 300 pages, is a lot richer than its length suggests. Because of the greatness of the novel and the extraordinary quality of the miniseries, comparisons of a new movie to its source or predecessor are even less fair than usual, here. As the Pajiba staff is so fond of braying, the book-to-film transfer almost always means the eliding of characters and the collapsing of story and the shifting of focus, and complaints on those points are both tired and irrelevant to the medium in question. All of those changes work their way, corrosively, into Jarrold’s movie. His movie doesn’t have 300 pages or 10+ hours to go deep, so the only sane thing for a reviewer to do is to look at his film as a stand-alone piece of cinema.

Brideshead Revisited — the film — opens during WWII but focuses on the salad days between the Great War and the rise of Hitler. Charles Ryder (Matthew Goode), a painter turned soldier, is stationed at an English estate owned by a family he once knew. The estate — Brideshead — is deserted now, its splendors choked by dust-covers, its gardens filled with military tents, and its façade commented on laconically by Ryder’s fellow soldiers. We barely have time to take in the scene before we’re launched backwards into the past — to Ryder’s vernissage on a transatlantic liner — then launched back again, to Ryder’s first days as an Oxford student. Despite the best efforts of Ryder’s father and officious cousin Jasper (Richard Teverson), Ryder pals up with Lord Sebastian Flyte (Ben Wishaw), a fledgling alcoholic who hangs around with a group of “sodomites” and a teddy-bear named Aloysius. Ryder, whose upbringing was sterile and not quite uppercrust, is smitten by Sebastian’s Wildean world of epigrams, boutonnieres and champagne at noon. He’s smitten by Sebastian’s family estate and by his sister Julia (Hayley Atwell), but he’s not quite smitten by the idea of man-sex per se, which leads to a standoff between Ryder, his best friend and his best friend’s sister. It leads to Sebastian drinking himself sick, which is helped along by the absence of his dissipated father (Michael Gambon, who makes anything better) and by the Catholic hand-wringing of his tyrannical mum (Emma Thompson, who really shifts her gears downward for her role as Lady Marchmain). It leads to loveless marriages, adultery, and to a generalized melancholy characteristic of eras in which class and religious lines were distinct, divorces were verboten, and sexuality had a single sanctioned dimension.

I could go on at length about Jarrold’s problematic take on Waugh’s novel but, as promised, I’m not going to focus on that here. I don’t have to. For one, I trust our commentators are only too happy to do that for me. I also have plenty to gripe about cinematically; there’s something about Jarrold’s period pieces that stoke my bitch and scathe at the expense of reason. They leave me irritated and dissatisfied in an inarticulate, unproductive kind of way, and make me lament film trends at large. When I got home after Brideshead and IMBd’d the director, the fact that Jarrold is the same guy who plagued us with Becoming Jane explains a hell of a lot, but it doesn’t inspire me with erudition. Jarrold is a void of a filmmaker who constructs half-decent pretty around missteps, when he isn’t serving up a total vacuum of a scene. He’s like the midatlantic bastard of Haggis* and Minghella; Minghella may have been a better filmmaker than Haggis, but I also hold him partly responsible for a certain kind of hackery which has infested British filmmaking since every BBC-funded ponce with a lens decided they wanted to make the next The Talented Mr. Ripley. Minghella helped bring Hollywood to Dover Beach in the sense that, more and more, even British adaptations of classic novels seem to be getting dumber. For instance, Jarrold plays up Brideshead’s love interests, and not in the way they deserve to be played up (embedded as they are in the text), but in a way that elbows Waugh’s story into Nicholas Sparks territory. I blame Minghella — fairly or not — for the Julian Jarrolds’ and the Mira Nairs’ and John Maddens’ ooh shiny! approach to meaty narratives that evaporate in their hands. There’s just no heart beating under all those expensive costumes, and Brideshead — while better than Becoming Jane and while not particularly awful — just seems to be going through the motions.

Those motions are mainly technical. There are lots of sweeping shots of Oxford, Venice, Morocco, and whatever estate passes for Brideshead, and lots of good costuming and set dressing, but Jarrold is too fond of backlighting (even if backlighting might work metaphorically in a story about the preeminence of the past — had that preeminence been properly developed, here). The half-shadowed faces and black backgrounds look like the products of a malfunctioning light-meter, or of a rookie with a limitless budget and no self-control. I’m a fan of dark films — and darkly lit films — but, once again, Jarrold has managed to irritate me in a way I can’t pinpoint for readers. What works in the hands of other filmmakers just grates here, for some reason. There are generally two kinds of production design for period films: the traditional bright, gauzy look and the more recent look with strong delimitations and lots of murky corners. Good movies emerge from both traditions, but as dedicated as Brideshead is to the latter, it displays an absence of know-how. Jarrold also needs an attention span; the camera is almost always moving in dollies or pans — more restless than demonstrative — and the editing compounds this restlessness (an odd choice for the material since, in Jarrold’s version, the speeding up of the modern world isn’t really visible here). Jarrold’s camera doesn’t know what to do with itself and constantly has to fiddle, the way an amateur actor fiddles his hands at his hips. He tries to evoke swells of emotion with his sweeps, but he only evokes melodrama. He tries to conceal his lack of confidence with techniques rather than use those techniques to enhance his story and showcase his abilities. He even trots out the costume drama clichés to make sure we know he’s made us a costume drama — like the slow-motion pulling off of dust-covers from furniture, or the heaving vintage-clothes sex scene.

What’s left is the story and the performances. The story, in its original form, is about the decay of tradition, but we’re treated to The Notebook version with this go-around. If that’s up your alley, you may find Brideshead engaging. The performances are workaday and without surprises, but for one exception: Wishaw, who looks like an emaciated Lothaire Bluteau, makes for a downright lugubrious Sebastian. Goode’s Ryder is not only a blank slate of a character (which could work for the narrative in principle); as an actor, Goode spends the movie blinking at objects like a stunned ram. He’s not particularly flexible onscreen, and Sebastian and Lady Marchmain aren’t particularly charismatic; we aren’t convinced that either of them could suck Charles into their world or religion. I hesitate to mention the role of Catholicism in the film, or class snobbery, or the mistrust of progress, or even sexuality, because to bring those up will lead me inevitably back to Waugh and his novel. But they’re essential to the story and to character motive, and they make appearances here in inconsistent arcs. In Jarrold’s sweaty grasp, they get punted around and a little bruised — some thematic elements are stifled under barely perceptible cues when they need to be broadcast, while others are whored out in neon when they ought to be more furtive. If you don’t mind a confused, stink-handed approach to seminal literature, or a pungent love-story in sweater-vests, Brideshead will serve its purpose. There are plenty of doe-eyed lovers staring hungrily across rooms at each other, plenty of (dark-edged) architectural panoramas, and just enough soulless competence to pull the film together as a series of images that evoke a certain era. That’s about as much as I can accord this one.

* Yes, I went there again, and I’ll continue to go there until “Haggis” stops being shorthand for everything wrong with Serious American Filmmaking (Canadians are hard on each other that way).

Ranylt Richildis lives in Ottawa, Canada. She can usually be found sneezing in college libraries or dropping chalk in lecture halls, but she’s somehow managed to squeeze in a film or two a day for the last decade.


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Comments

This movie licks dead pig taint.

It's an abomination worse then the fucking Holocaust.

Posted by: The Dude at August 4, 2008 2:44 PM

Well, that's a...statement.

Fantastically written review Ranylt, separating the book from the movie is never an easy task. I've never read Waugh and have no interest in the film, but I may have to pick up the novel sometime soon.

Posted by: Julie at August 4, 2008 2:49 PM

Sounds exactly as I expected.

I've been pessimistic about this ever since the announcement, but it was after I spent the entire length of the trailer shaking my head and silently repeated the word "no" that I determined that everyone* associated with this film must be destroyed.
Can I requisition the Murder Tank for this purpose?

*Okay, except for Gambon and Thompson.

Posted by: Alice at August 4, 2008 2:50 PM

I dunno..."Brideshead Revisited" sounds too sequel-ly. Did Waugh ever write a prequel? "Brideshead Episode I: The Phantom Menace", perhaps? Or just "Brideshead", or even "Brideshead Previsited"?


(boy howdy this is good cough syrup)

Posted by: brownribbon at August 4, 2008 2:56 PM

I have exactly the same feelings about Waugh. On top of that he was quite a strange individual. Had a very weird obsession with his mother and they devised a special language to communicate with each other based on repetitions of "O"s and "G"s, i.e. instead of siging his letters to his mother "love Evelyn", he would write "Evoggles goggles moggles" (as in Evelyn loves mother). And yet, in Brideshead, he created a book that one wouldn't think would come from such a man. His short stories are also very entertaining with a dark twist. "Mr. Lovejoy's Little Outing" is a lovely little "Tales from the Crypt-esque" story.
I have no interest in seeing the film since no-one will ever replace Jeremy Irons as Charles Ryder (everybody in my class at schoolmwas in love with him, including the boys and the nuns and the Christian Brothers).

However, Ranylt, can't you admit that Mira Nair delivers amazing visual feasts? I really don't think she deserves to be relegated to Haggis status.

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 4, 2008 3:01 PM

braying?

Hee haw!

a confused, stink-handed approach to seminal literature, or a pungent love-story in sweater-vests

I'm not sure that I fall into either camp, but I do take a confused, stink-handed approach to love in sweater vests.

And I'll second the notion of Brideshead Previsited. Get Haggis on the phone, stat!

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at August 4, 2008 3:03 PM

Ah gah, my mom and I are supposed to see this in a couple of days. I've got a free ticket to use from my Regal points, plus I miss seeing the awesomeness of Emma Thompson, and I've got narrow windows within which to see movies nowadays. So I'll see it anyway and enjoy the costuming.

Minghella gets a free pass from me for Truly Madly Deeply, one of the only cinematic love stories that doesn't inspire violent diarrhea of the soul. Not to mention it features the incomparable Alan Rickman.

There are artists out there whose personalities or philosophies we might deplore, but whose works we cherish.

My feelings about a one Ms. Tori Amos, exactly. Lawdy, is she nut and berries. After five minutes with her in a room, I'd probably have my hands around her neck, trying to throttle the crazy out of her. Love, LOVE, her music though.

Posted by: Alabamapink at August 4, 2008 3:07 PM

Julie,

You have a problem with me or with what I said?

Too fucking bad.

It's called "having an opinion," and guess right, an opinion can't be right and it can;t be wrong, it just is.

The movie fucks the book in the ass in so many shriekingly painful ways I lost count, especially with the movie completely and utterly buttfucked the relationship of Charles and his father. In bot hthe book and tv miniseires, Ryder's father was the very epitome of the hands off parent, who at his best ignored Charles and at his worse played cruel little games on him.

As I said before, this movie is an abomination worse then the Holocaust.

You don't like that, too fucking bad.

Go cwy wike a widdle baby to mommy.

Posted by: The Dude at August 4, 2008 3:09 PM

By the way, just in case anyone cares, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is dead. Another icon gone.

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 4, 2008 3:09 PM

I should add (hastily) that I meant in terms of literature, not as a man or his views.

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 4, 2008 3:14 PM

guess right, an opinion can't be right and it can;t be wrong, it just is.

Actually, in my opinion, I think you meant "guess what," and my opinion is unequivocally right. Also, in my opinion, you should use an apostrophe in the contraction "can't," not a semi-colon. Once again, my opinion is inarguably right.

One more: In my opinion, your response to Julie demonstrates a boorish disregard for your own dignity and indicates a strong desire to be viewed as a complete and utter jackass.

Third time: Right again!

To borrow a phrase: You don't like that, too fucking bad. Go cwy wike a widdle baby to mommy.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at August 4, 2008 3:14 PM

Somehow I get a sense that seeing Atonement make all that money got the producers of this movie excited.

And why is it that I see the trailer and can only think of Eddie Izzard's description of English films? "The room with a view of a staircase and pond" types of film where people are always just opening doors and staring out large windows and melancholy pianos play in the background.

Posted by: BFFredo at August 4, 2008 3:16 PM

The Dude...she wasn't attacking you or your opinion, she was merely commenting on the briefness and language. Having an opinion is fine and dandy, but you don't have to give a terse, two-sentence statement full of vulgarities with no explanation or elucidation...and you definately don't have to fly off the handle and get defensive when you think you're being attacked.

I haven't seen this or read the book, but I might agree with you or disagree. It's called a discussion. It's hard to have a discussion with someone who spouts baseless insults to the topic, the people in the conversation, and bystanders without any real discourse. We respect all opinions here...but learn to defend them well and/or have a good reason for them.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at August 4, 2008 3:20 PM

It's called "having an opinion," and guess right, an opinion can't be right and it can;t be wrong, it just is.

Punctuation usage, on the other hand, can be terribly wrong.

Proofread your vitriol before spewing it, asshead.

Posted by: Alabamapink at August 4, 2008 3:20 PM

Wow, Ranylt, again. I love your writing so much. Your reviews have this way of leaving me breathless.

I remember my mom loving the mini when it came out. I was around 12 or so, I guess, and had zero interest in period films at that time, so I never cared one way or the other. Don't know if she read the novel or not, it's entirely possible. I never have, though, but I think I might have to now. And, if I need to see it on film, perhaps I can find the mini on DVD somewhere.

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen at August 4, 2008 3:25 PM

An emaciated Lothaire Bluteau, Ranylt?

I'm so delighted that the internet has given people like The Dude a forum for their vitriolic and hyperbolic little rants. Instantaneous, anonymous communication isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Posted by: Girlnone at August 4, 2008 3:29 PM

Anastasia, the mini is incredibly popular, so I'd imagine it can be NetFlixed easily.

Julie (and anyone else now considering reading Waugh), may I also recommend his Vile Bodies which is just a fucking delightful read?

Posted by: Alice at August 4, 2008 3:31 PM

Looks like somebody had their Surly-O's for breakfast.... or maybe some nice Scorn Flakes.

Thanks, Alice. I guess I'll have to join that one of these days... I'm so lazy. They have a great selection of harder to find docs too.

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen at August 4, 2008 3:36 PM

I love it when the stupid continue to comment just to prove what others may think of them based on prior comments.

Also, a note on proper usage of internet rants. When ranting on the internet, proper usage of the language of said website is always a good way to look more intelligent when making your point. Improper grammar is a fantastic way to look like a moron, no matter how well thought out the argument in question is.

Posted by: Melody at August 4, 2008 3:36 PM

Once again, why I don't understand why no one's adapted any Heyer novels to the screen. Unlike this, or Austen, there is no greater meaning to be underdeveloped or overlooked - they're just crazy adventure 'romance' as in 'crazyadventure crazyadventure crazyadventure' and 'let's get married ok!" on the very last page.

What this really makes me miss, being only minorly Lit Geeky and not having read any Waugh, is my 'Movies and Books of E.M. Forester' class. *sigh*

Great review as always.

Posted by: twig at August 4, 2008 3:38 PM

*Sigh* Guess I'll be renting/buying the BBC version sometime soon. I figured this version would get completely massacred. Damn it to hell.

Posted by: nutmeag at August 4, 2008 3:39 PM

Yeesh. Apparently this Dude doesn't abide, he just screeches on. There are rules Dude, this isn't 'Nam. Score it a zero.

Posted by: MrC at August 4, 2008 3:48 PM

The aftermath of this review is going to lead to some seriously drunk people via the Pajiban Drinking Game (as if any of us really need an excuse).

Posted by: branded at August 4, 2008 3:50 PM

I almost didn't watch the original 1981 miniseries "Brideshead Revisited" because I thought I'd missed the first part and it was the sequel. I did watch it and hated the story, but loved Jeremy Irons and Anthony Andrews. I then read the book, because I thought the book is always better than the adaptation, but hated the book even more than the miniseries. I guess I'll be skipping the movie, too.

Also, every time a movie has a very Christian theme, I find I don't understand it. I always feel that I'm missing something that everyone else is getting.

Posted by: BWeaves at August 4, 2008 4:03 PM

Can I just take time out and recommend another BBC miniseries, The Line of Beauty, which is like an *actually* gay Brideshead (or response to Brideshead), but set in 1980s/Thatcherite England. It's all there: the big house as a kind of character, the family dynamics, the intrigue, the politics, rich people losing their shit in nice clothes, even Hayley Attwell (and she's great!)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/lineofbeauty/

Wait, this comment really looks like Very Specific spam, but I swear it's not. I just loved this miniseries and all the ads for Brideshead lately reminded me of it!

Posted by: BeRightBack at August 4, 2008 4:04 PM

Micheal Gambon does not make Harry Potter better.

Meanwhile, does anyone know why the estate is called Brideshead? Is that the same as maidenhead? If so, ewww. The only other thing I can think of is a reference to an actual bride's head, and that seems worse.

Also, since the BBC version is 3 discs, my DVD rental queue just hit 250. This plus my 100 hour Tivo being full means I don't have to worry about being broke this winter - I'll have plenty to do.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at August 4, 2008 4:14 PM

BFFredo: yeah, I can't wait for the Hollywood-ized remake "Room with a View of HELL, Staircase of SATAN, Pond of DEATH".
That would be infinitely more watchable, I'd wager.

Posted by: Jess at August 4, 2008 4:28 PM

Jess;

Did you fuck my wife?

Posted by: twig at August 4, 2008 4:46 PM

HA! Thanks Jess! Now all I need is a tub of popcorn!

Posted by: Arbincita at August 4, 2008 4:51 PM

And access to a spacebar

Posted by: Arbincita at August 4, 2008 4:54 PM

I love the book, as well as Vile Bodies and Scoop, but I've only seen the first 2 or 3 parts of the mini-series. Even if this isn't very good there's something in me that still really wants to see it. Maybe just because Matthew Goode is a cutie.

Posted by: lola o at August 4, 2008 5:13 PM

I also disagree with your placing of Mira Nair with the likes of Haggis, Ranylt. However, I have not seen "Vanity Fair," which is probably where you were going with that. If not, I might be going ballistic in your face, screaming about how "Salaam Bombay!" and "Monsoon Wedding" are incredibly good films.

Posted by: vic at August 4, 2008 5:37 PM

Oh, Waugh. As good as Brideshead, Scoop, Vile Bodies, and Handful of Dust are, though, I do think The Loved One is his very best. A tiny, shining, polished, twisted, fucking hilarious little jewel of a novel.

In fact, Brideshead isn't even one of my favorite Waugh books (and thank you, Ranylt, for so neatly encapsulating the ambivalence I feel about loving him as a writer and being profoundly uneasy with him, at best, as a man and a thinker), so I'm kind of torn as to whether to see this adaptation. On the one hand, it doesn't do justice to the book. On the other, I'm not all that deeply attached to the book, so this might be a rare chance for me to watch a mainstream BritLit adaptation without sputtering in a futile rage at what's been done to the original.

And WTF with the Mira Nair denigration? What did she do to deserve that?

Posted by: Heqit at August 4, 2008 5:41 PM

re: vic:

oh crap, Vanity Fair. I forgot about that one. All right, Ranylt's ding of Nair minorly conceded, although I'd still have to agree with vic that Monsoon and Salaam, as well as Mississippi Masala and even The Namesake, keep her WELL out of Haggis territory.

Posted by: Heqit at August 4, 2008 5:45 PM

BeRightBack:

The Line of Beauty is an excellent book (of course it could be a pile of santorum and all it would have to do is vilify the Thatcher years as it does and I would love it anyway). I only caught one episode of the miniseries and didn't see enough to determine if it did it well. But you're right there are strong echoes of Brideshead there (sort of what Rebecca is to Jane Eyre).

And Ranylt, my dear:

You know how fond I am of you: I warned you about the Nair/Haggis comparison. You'll have to take your punishment now that you've started it.

BWeaves:

I know there are characters in Brideshead with strong Catholic beliefs, but would you really say this book has a Christian theme? I sort got out of it that Ryder as the resident agnostic admired that they could believe so strongly in anything, yet saw through what their faith drove them to and as such, the prevailing theme was faith as an opiate, and quite negative on religion overall. Of course, most of me feels that Waugh was taking a shot not at Christianity in general but at Catholicism in particular. I think most of the English aristocracy who had turned Protestant during the Reformation knew deep down that they had gained by being cowards and had a very uncomfortable need to find fault with the few aristocratic families that had retained their Catholic origins.

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 4, 2008 6:19 PM

PaddyDog,

I think you're right that the novel doesn't have a religious theme as a whole and that Ryder as narrator isn't in the least religious himself, but considering Waugh's own previous conversion to Catholicism and notorious infatuation with its pre-Vatican II aura of glamour and mysticism, does the point hold that he's criticizing the Catholic church or Catholic belief in BR? IIRC correctly, Ryder is magnetically drawn to Sebastian's (and, later, Julia's) ethereal, unbearably aristocratic beauty in just the way that Waugh is drawn to the Catholic Church and its rituals, making the book itself a misguided (IMO) elegy for elitism and esoterica. It seemed to me that Waugh was saying that Ryder could never Get It or really possess, in any sense, any of the Flytes because he was Just Too Middle Class and therefore doomed to a certain ineradicable stolidity. Since Waugh was himself upper-middle-class and trying continually to rise above it, that certainly makes his depiction of Charles, um, psychologically complex, but I'm not at all sure that Waugh is advocating Ryder's disinterest in the Flytes' religion.

Then again, it's several years since I read the book, so I could well be recalling incorrectly after all.

Posted by: Heqit at August 4, 2008 6:43 PM

Darn it, I was going to see this. And now it sounds like a drive-by adaptation. I hate movies like that, where they base the scripts off of Cliff Notes and miss virtually everything that makes the story interesting in the first place.

Posted by: Wednesday at August 4, 2008 7:14 PM

Heqit:

I don't think you're recalling it incorrectly. I of course placed my own prejudices onto what he wrote as I read the book (at the time I was a practising Catholic, these days, not so much). What I was getting at was that I (subjectively) felt that Waugh really held that inate sense of inferiority that all English aristocracy vehemently deny of no longer belonging to what many of them believed to be the true church. The problem with Protestanism for many of them was that it was so lovingly embraced by the peasants: hence the need to identify oneself as high church as opposed to low church. Forgive my prejudice against Waugh (whose works I love), but I always felt he converted more out of an attraction to ritual and ceremony than vocation and that in Brideshead he was writing his way through the attraction to the baubles of Catholicism while still fighting the fact that he could never fully believe as they did. Again, totally my opinion: so I don't think he's advocating a disinterest. I think it's like a child lashing out at a club that he will never fully belong to. But either way, not a Christian-themed book.

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 4, 2008 7:14 PM

Micheal Gambon does not make Harry Potter better.

Word. But I think I bitched about him in another thread just a few days back, so I'll hold my tongue now.

Topic: Meh, had no plans to see this, ever, so my opinion remains unchanged. Helluva review though.

Posted by: Shay at August 4, 2008 7:24 PM

brides...."head"


Oh boy, ...what a disappointment...


Maybe it's just me but, I was expecting a completely different movie.

NOT. COOL.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 4, 2008 7:47 PM

Micheal Gambon does not make Harry Potter better.

Posted by: Shay at August 4, 2008 7:24 PM

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The role that should have gone to either Patrick Stewart or Magneto whatshisgay.

Anyone who doesn't agree should be beaten to death with a first edition of....mmm..The Half Blood Prince....AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!...no arguments.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 4, 2008 7:54 PM

PaddyDog:

I think in large part I agree with you, especially as regards Waugh's reasons for converting, and I really like your point about the English upper classes retaining a lingering dissatisfaction with Protestantism and its democratic tendencies. I'm pretty sure he'd already converted by the time he wrote Brideshead, though, so I always felt more like he was pitying Charles and doing his best to identify himself with the Flytes -- some serious wishful thinking and identity-spackling on his part, there. I remember coming away from the book with the sense that Waugh was almost writing an ode in prose to his own brand of Pretty Catholicism(tm) and that in so doing he wasn't also wrestling with his beliefs and how truly he could adopt the tenets of the Church, but had in fact missed them entirely and was completely focused on the vestments, incense, and ancient ritual.

Damn, that was a long sentence.

Thinking about what you said a bit more, though, your point about Waugh using Ryder to write his way through his own ambivalence is a rather more nuanced interpretation of Charles's attraction to yet alienation from the Flytes than what I said in my first comment. Now I want to re-read the book with that in mind and see if it impresses me differently.

However muddled, ambivalent, or dazzled Waugh's feelings about Catholicism were when he wrote BR, though, I definitely agree that the book itself not Christian-themed or at all inspirational in the sense that BWeaves seemed to find unappetizing. (...despite Sebastian being Too Good And Noble For This World.)

Also, lapsed Catholics represent!

Posted by: Heqit at August 4, 2008 7:57 PM

Thanks Ranylt, for everything.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at August 4, 2008 10:39 PM

What a terrific review. I almost want to see the picture just to validate the beauty of your prose. If that makes any sense.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at August 4, 2008 10:58 PM

I have not read any of Waugh's works.
What I would love to see is a decent adaptation of Oscar Wilde's books. I have a real soft spot for The Picture of Dorian Gray, but would love to see something done with Lady Windermere's Fan.

That being said, are we talking about the Matthew Goode from the Matthew Goode Band? Or am I hallucinating with the wrong spelling again?

If it is the musician in the film, methinks I shall pass.

Posted by: popejenn at August 5, 2008 1:23 AM

Popejenn - Nope, he's "Good", no 'e'. Matthew Goode is the guy from Match Point (and doubtless other stuff).

Barbadoslim - God, I'd love if they had cast McKellan before Rowling's big Dumbledore reveal. I'm perpetually confused about what actually counts as "irony", but I'm relatively certain that would qualify.

Posted by: Shay at August 5, 2008 4:47 AM

If i saw this at allit would be for Ben Wishaw.

I've loved him since Perfume, and he was very recently in a BBC original Drama over here in the UK and good GOD he was....he was goooooood y'all


Find it if you can, called...Criminal...shit...Criminal Justice, i think, he played a young man who spends the night with a mysterious and enigmatic young woman only to wake up the next day and find her stabbed to death and him the only suspect, though he doesn't remember doing it

It ran for only a week and that was all it needed, it was Superb and Ben is...I stress, he's goooood

so if he is, apparently, the only good thing in it, I might check it out.

Also, yes, Shay...who is Matthew Goode? He was in Total Film as one of britains new hot young things and I'm much with the 'Who now?' I know the name and feel like I should know the face but I got nothin!

Posted by: name at August 5, 2008 6:46 AM

Ahhhhh. Match Point.
I feel I should Imdb him because he must've been in other small roles before that massive breakout thespian experience.

On the note of Dumbledore (I just re-read book 7) I think McKellen would have been really good in that role. Unfortunately type-cast, but still very good!
The definition of irony is (according to Mirriam Webster): the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning OR incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result.
So since the expected result would be McKellen taking this role, I'm unsure if irony exists in this scenario...?

Posted by: popejenn at August 5, 2008 8:33 AM

Heqit:

I had to log off yesterday and get some actual paid work completed, but thank you for the discussion. I haven't had a good old book-related natter for ages on Pajiba. Here's to many more.

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 5, 2008 9:30 AM

popejenn - I meant from the perspective of hiring an openly gay actor to play a (theoretically, at the time) straight character, only to have the author subsequently turn around and announce that the character was, in fact, gay. It strikes me as being funny either way (in the context of the difficulties some gay actors have in getting roles as straight characters), and possibly ironic too (it would be an incongruous outcome, I guess...) I dunno; the more I look at it, the less funny it seems. Stupid book-learnin', taking away all my fun...

Posted by: Shay at August 5, 2008 9:39 AM

I think that it would have been ironic if McKellen had been hired and people protested, saying that hiring a gay man would give the character subtext that Rowling never meant in the books. And then JKR could have said, "Well, actually..."

Posted by: Three-nineteen at August 5, 2008 9:53 AM

Not to reopen a closed discussion, but re: religion in Brideshead - the first time I read that book was for a class in college called "Catholic Arts and Fictions." Take that as you will.

Posted by: elizabeth at August 5, 2008 10:32 AM

PaddyDog,

Thanks; I really enjoyed it, too (not that it has to be over, elizabeth!). I agree, it's been too long since we've had a good literary discussion here. *clink* Many more.

Posted by: Heqit at August 5, 2008 11:14 AM

Paddydog: No, I don't think the book has a Christian theme, either. It's just that certain characters have very Catholic beliefs, and I knew very little about any of the Christian religions, so I had a hard time understanding where characters like Lady Marchmain were coming from. As an adult, I have learned a little more about various Christian religions, but I read this way back in the early 1980's when I did not, so I kept feeling like I was missing some point in the book and the miniseries.

Posted by: BWeaves at August 5, 2008 11:31 AM

Thank god I wasn't the only one who thought that Ben Wishaw looks exactly like Lothaire Blutheau.

I thought it was interesting that 25+ years on, the shift in the protrayal of the relationships changed so much. I understand that with a shorter running time you have to shove Julia to the foreground much earlier than normal, but I thought it odd that the miniseries made it clear that Sebastian was the one Charles loved all along and he simply transfered his affection to Julia after Sebastian destroyed his life; while the film veers in the opposite direction, saying that he only stayed with Sebastian after he met Julia because she was unavailable. (Yes, yes, I haven't read the book, bad commenter no cookie.) Mainly it comes down to: who would have thought that the 2008 story would be less tolerant of homosexual love than the 1981 story?

I also feel like the portrayal of Charles' religious views made them more extreme. As an agnostic, I really identified with Charles in the miniseries, but wanted to scream at him in the film. Couldn't he see how offensive he was being?

Posted by: Sarah at August 5, 2008 11:51 AM

Micheal Gambon does not make Harry Potter better.

He keeps me from walking out due to Emma Watson's ever-moving eyebrows and tearful eyes and the fact that Alan Rickman is so underused.

Posted by: duckandcover at August 5, 2008 12:59 PM

I completely missed the whole gay thing! I'd forgotten that Rowling had outted Dumbledore.

Goodness me, I should open my eyes and read a bit deeper into the irony! Thanks to Shay for bringing to light the possible irony and then destroying it with book-learnin'.

I also agree with duckandcover that Alan Rickman is sorely underused. There's something about his voice...

Posted by: popejenn at August 5, 2008 5:36 PM

My pleasure.

And there's no way that the last three films can't feature a decent amount of Rickman; this is the first time that Snape has played a truly pivotal role in any of the books' main plotlines, so he's got to get some build-up before that.

Posted by: Shay at August 5, 2008 7:05 PM

Oh just you wait, Shay.

What with all the script editing, shooting, then film editing and a movie's inability to last for 8 hours, I would wager they'll have Snape/Rickman's role and soliloquy cut down to "Bleck, I hate you Harry - you're dead Mr. Old Man and guess if I'm good or bad, Harry - whom I still hate."
Man, I should be a screenwriter.

Posted by: popejenn at August 5, 2008 8:16 PM

wow, i'm glad everyone feels the same way as me in regards to michael gambon as dumbledore. he's the reason i don't watch the movies anymore. from day one, after richard harris died, i always thought sir ian mckellan would have been a fine choice. gambon is too gruff and doesn't have that playful spirit, twinkle in his eye or significant relationship with harry that dumbledore should have.

anyways, i digress. what i wanted to say is i'm glad you separated the movie from the book. though it didn't seem to make you enjoy it anymore that's precisely what i did with memoirs of a geisha. i looked at it has a separate entity and enjoyed the movie so much more.
i'm supposed to go see this with my mom, and now i'm not so sure.

Posted by: citizen_cris at August 5, 2008 9:06 PM

Marvelous review Ranylt. You eloquently describe what I surmise to be a wrongheaded attempt to adapt my favorite novel.

PaddyDog and Hequit, I've also enjoyed you comments on religion. I counter that religion and redemption is a major theme of the book, but it doesn't come to a pat sentimental ending the way most middlebrow Christian writers would design.

In the Flyte family, Waugh presents a wide spectrum of Catholic belief and practice. Mom is devout but strict, Bridey is well-informed but a tool, Julia doesn't give a shit and rebels, and Sebastian believes but stubbornly sins. Only Cordelia really exhibits a healthy combination of steadfast faith and genuine compassion.
Some statements by Waugh's characters reveal doubt and dissatisfaction that I am sure he and every other Catholic has felt. Catholic guilt drives a lot of Sebastian and Julia's actions.

Yeah, Waugh was attached to "pretty Catholicism" (Cordelia's tenebrae description gets me every time), but the novel maintains a trajectory of finding religious solace amidst ugliness. Our newly converted Charles, admittedly still a snob, bolsters his courage in a very tacky chapel. Despite the "beaten copper lamp of deplorable design", he finds solace in the hidden, silent vigil of the sanctuary lamp.

Posted by: Empress of All the Russias at August 5, 2008 11:49 PM

More Alan Rickman, please! Especially when he teams up with Emma Thompson.

You should all go read The Loved One and Helena after you finish Brideshead.

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson's Underwear at August 5, 2008 11:55 PM

TJ's Underwear:

Helena? Really? Damn, I had no idea that book even existed (nope, I'm not a Waugh completist). Would you say it's on par with, although obviously different in tone from, The Loved One? Because I agree with you that everyone (or at least everyone who's interested in Waugh, or satire, or early/mid 20th-century lit, or supreme snarkiness, or morbid amusement) should read The Loved One; like I said upthread, I think it's his best. And seemingly lesser-known.

Empress of All the Russias (how many do you have?): Argh, I really do need to re-read this book! I'm loving this discussion, but I feel I'm on shaky ground talking over the book's subleties with only a ten-year-old memory of it.

That's a really good point about the spectrum of belief and reaction to it among the Flytes and Charles. I tended to think of Lady Marchmain as the only "real" Catholic amongst the characters, but this point of view was probably influenced by my own Catholic upbringing.

Which touches on a question that's always intrigued me, actually: Waugh converted, of course, and BR is supposed to be his expression of and apologia for the Catholic faith. Do you think it would it have been written rather differently if he'd been born into a Catholic family instead of coming to the Church later in life? Classic Catholic guilt does play a huge role in shaping Julia's and Sebastian's actions, but I almost feel that the guilt itself is somewhat romanticized within the novel, and I wonder how his depiction of it or other aspects of their faith was influenced by his status as a convert.

Posted by: Heqit at August 6, 2008 9:29 AM

Ian McKellan should not play Dumbledore because he's already been Gandalf, and it would be too confusing. I still can't tell the difference between Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone because Fess Parker played both roles, and played them the same way.

Posted by: BWeaves at August 6, 2008 12:13 PM

Hequit, in the spirit of Catholicism, I have a confession to make. I am both the Empress and TJ, but I felt stupid reposting the items I forgot.

Helena is pretty obscure, perhaps deservedly so. It's a bio of Constantine's mother, and overflows with the Catholic sentiment that repels so many from BR. And don't get me started about the wandering Jew scene...
But that aside, it is a creative saint biography that deals with Roman Britain, what happens when the state gets too involved in the Church, and conversions late in life.

Aha, the conversion theme again. That's a good point - how would Waugh have written the Flytes if he were a cradle Catholic? Did he romanticize Catholic guilt? Perhaps Julia and Sebastian's stories were influenced by dismay at the number of Catholics who do leave the faith of their youth - did Waugh wish everyone would have an epiphany of guilt at a fountain in the moonlight?

Being a convert, Waugh does a good job of showing how foreign/legalistic Catholicism can seem. Rex's conversion always cracks me up, when Cordelia convinces him there are sacred monkeys in the Vatican.

Posted by: Empress of All the Russias at August 6, 2008 7:18 PM

Sacred monkeys, you say?

This gives me an idea...

Does anyone have an extra pope-hat laying around? Mine is at the cleaners. As a hypothetical aside: do you think people would notice if the real pope were switched with a sacred monkey in a pope hat? Purely hypothetical. No possibility that I may be planning something...evil...

Posted by: popejenn at August 6, 2008 11:00 PM

Wow. The Dude has issues. Comparing a middling peiod piece of cinema with the Holocaust? Now, had he compared the new trio of Star Wars films with the Holocaust, he may have had a relevant comparison. Nearly put me off reading everyone's comments.

Posted by: Lori at August 6, 2008 11:32 PM

I posted the other day andit came up as 'name'

I was talking about Ben being in Criminal Justice over here

very odd

but...just my two cents(or pence since I'm terribly british old chap) on Harry Potter...

Nothing under the power of God, Man, Satan, Tentacley Demons, Aliens or Robots (I think that covers all bases for who could be in charge)could make Harry Potter, the books or films, good.

The adult cast makes the films....bearable....but thats it.

Thats only my opinion though.

I just think JK is a horrible, horrible writer and while I commend her sort of...making reading cool again for kids...she just....she's awful

the books are awful

(and totally ripped off)

the films are awful

just....just terribleness all around.

that is all.

Posted by: nadine at August 7, 2008 11:02 AM

The movie was a disgrace.At the end of the book, Charles has become a Catholic(Waugh was a convert) and he celebrates that the light next to the tabernacle is still lit.(God is still with us).
This was a deeply religous book where Charles the atheist goes from that stance to belief.It is subtle.
Charles says:
"There was one part of the house I had not visited and I went there now.The chapel showed no ill-effects of its long neglect......I said a prayer,an ancient ,newly learned form of words ....;"(next to last page.)
Charles goes from disbelief to belief because of the faith of Cornelia,Julia,Bridey and Mrs.Marchmain and the monks who care for the alcoholic Sebastian.Read the book.
The movie was like trying to understand Mother Teresa without her faith.I knew they would take faith out of the movie...they don't get it so they drop it.Terribly disappointing.

Posted by: S Graham at November 6, 2008 5:35 PM

I am I right in assuming that the film ends without Lord Marchmain dying in the faith and without Charles converting? - you have to be joking - how can you miss the point so completely.

For those who think the book did not have a religious theme,I would suggest reading Waugh's introduction to the second edition "This is a simple story of a small group of people touched by divine grace".

Posted by: Sanctuary Lamp at December 16, 2008 2:33 AM

Lord Marchamin does make a sign of faith and even in this terrible movie,it was touching.
But at the end,no sign of the cross by Charles, no prayer, no mention of the burning lamp, just Charles looking at a candle and then the faces of Julia and Sebastian appear and off he goes.A disgrace.
I bought the anniversary edition from Amazon for 25 dollars.Has more scenes than the T.V. version.Magnificent!Gave me chills once again.

Posted by: s Graham at January 4, 2009 10:32 PM