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Baby Mama / Daniel Carlson

Film Reviews | April 25, 2008 | Comments (78)


As Liz Lemon, the neurotic hub in the chaotic wheel of NBC’s “30 Rock,” Tina Fey exudes a kind of scatterbrained confidence in a persona aware of how her status in life — single in her late 30s — is perceived by some to be a failure. But even as she fights gamely to resist the stereotype, she also wants everything she’s told she should have. As such, Baby Mama is the most natural extension of Fey’s onscreen presence into film and the easiest way for her to continue to mine the comedic ground she’s been successfully tilling for years. The film is about a woman who chooses career placement over starting a family and decides to have a child before it’s physically too late. It’s in the same general ballpark of painful self-examination milked for humor that Fey excels at, but unfortunately, first-time director Michael McCullers doesn’t have the storytelling skill or precision to turn a good idea into a good film, and the only reason the whole thing doesn’t feel like one horribly drawn-out sketch is because of Fey’s inherent charm and timing. The film has all the ingredients of a serviceable comedy, right down to the romantic subplot and the annoyingly predictable betrayal by a secondary character, but the tone never gels for longer than a handful of consecutive scenes.

Baby Mama starts out agreeably enough, with Kate Holbrook (Fey) narrating a rapid sequence of events detailing her rise through the corporate ranks at a health food store and her subsequent decision to focus on work instead of starting a family. “Other women got pregnant; I got promotions,” she says, and she manages to sum up and discard in one sentence her frustration at the fact that her gender required her to delay childbirth in order to get ahead at the office. And just like that, an entire field of dramatic conflict and comedic potential is shut off, as if McCullers, who also wrote the screenplay, decided he had too much on his plate to broaden the comedy to sexual politics. Kate has a typically reliant sister, Caroline (Maura Tierney), and overbearing mom, Rose (Holland Taylor), and the best exchange of the whole film comes (sadly) in the first 15 minutes, when Rose says she accepts Kate and her “alternative lifestyle.” Kate fires back, “Being single is not an alternative lifestyle.” Rose just shrugs and says, “It is when you’re 37.” It’s the kind of pain-fueled joke that makes the comedy just a little more biting and would have gone a long way toward turning the film into a sharp examination of Kate’s later decision to hire a surrogate, but soon enough, McCullers dials down the insight and is content to coast along, settling for wacky when he could have had witty.

Kate’s decision to pursue surrogacy is caused a doctor’s report that her uterus is in bad shape and that Kate is most likely unable to bear a child on her own. She turns for help to an agency that puts her in touch with Angie (Amy Poehler), a dim but sweet woman who “discontinued” high school and lives with her common-law husband, Carl (Dax Shepard). Angie decides to have Kate’s baby, and after a hilarious but brief hospital scene of fertilization set to “Endless Love,” the two women enter into a friendly partnership to see the pregnancy through. Angie breaks up with Carl because she has to; McCullers needs to get the women together enough for their opposite personalities to cook up the aforementioned wackiness, so Angie moves in with Kate and begins to eat better, exercise, and attend birthing classes.

In addition to all that, Kate’s also been flirting with Rob (Greg Kinnear), the owner of a local smoothie store, and soon finds herself juggling Angie, Rob, and a work project to find and develop a new flagship market. On their own, the ideas aren’t too bad, but McCullers’ script isn’t tight enough to provide the requisite energy to keep the disparate storylines advancing in a timely or enjoyable manner. Kate’s blooming relationship with Rob is given short shrift: They go out once, and suddenly they’ve been dating a month; Kate jokes about her age, but no sign is given that their relationship is headed toward anything more serious than making out on a park bench; Kate spends so little time dealing with work and suffers so little when she’s late or absent that her efforts to oversee the new store are pointless distractions to the core plots dealing with her life, baby, and boyfriend. It’s almost as if McCullers was afraid to let the main story carry itself or didn’t know to how to let that happen; either way, the legitimate humor and chemistry between Fey and Poehler is often buried under a mound of poor editing and lazy writing. The mere fact that Carl continues to show up and do his best to ruin things proves that McCullers couldn’t figure out how to have Kate and Angie grow together or apart on their own.

The rest of the film plays out in often regrettably predictable ways, and it’s tough to see such blunt and unpolished material handed to gifted comedians like Fey and Poehler. Granted, the sheer force of their personalities provides the film with a likeability that few other actresses could create, and the best scenes in the film are when Kate and Angie are finally allowed to interact on a genuine level and let the action be guided by natural extensions of their characters and not the story points McCullers feels he needs to hit. That’s the greatest disappointment about Baby Mama. Despite a respectable comedic pedigree among the cast and crew, the finished product doesn’t hold up. Fey’s former “Saturday Night Live” colleagues Fred Armisen and Will Forte breeze through in a couple of easy supporting roles, and Steve Martin gives a subtly absurd performance as Fey’s hippie boss. Kinnear is affable and kind, but he’s more of a placeholder than anything else; it’s revealed later in the game that Rob has a 12-year-old daughter, but she never appears because Kate was never going to meet her boyfriend’s kid. She just needed to deal with the possible complication in the abstract, and once she embraced the idea, the conflict disappeared. McCullers didn’t want Kate to grow, just to think about it.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Posted by: greer at April 25, 2008 6:57 PM

I remember when Mean Girls came out, it had very similar reviews to the ones I have read for this movie...lots of people sorta liking it, but not completely. The most on target comment was that there was enough of a story for an extended SNL skit, but not extended to a full-length movie.

This sounds like more of the same and based on that, I think I'll pass. Thanks for a good review.

LHN

Posted by: LHN at April 25, 2008 7:08 PM

well damn

I really wanted this movie to be good

sigh
[goes back to watching her Firefly and Arrested Development DVDs]

Posted by: Bethy at April 25, 2008 7:09 PM

uh... Second?

I'll still go see it... sigh... I was hoping for a better review though. Me and mister flask...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at April 25, 2008 7:09 PM

Bummer. Was holding out a lot of hope for this one but thought I'd be disappointed. Fey can still do not wrong in my eyes though.

Posted by: Monica at April 25, 2008 7:12 PM

Shame, I was kind of looking forward to this. I figured the talent of Fey and Poehler would be able to carry any movie.

Posted by: Jessica at April 25, 2008 7:14 PM

Hmmm.

Your feelings are like what I feared based on the trailer, but I went on good faith and found that it had found a middle ground between romantic comedy made funny by being an R comedy from Apatow, and PG laaaaame. Thus, funny and no one said "fuck". Not that I don't like vulgar comedies, I just thought it was a good accomplishment. Plus it all just felt nice, I was pleased that all these people had shown up for the party, and there were much better jokes than what had been in the trailer--mostly delivered by Amy Poehler, but Tina's good at pitching and catching with crazy. I was very pleased to hear Greg Kinnear explaining his store and its plight, having relatable experience in the coffee monkey world.

Yeah, I wasn't surprised that it all worked out, not as expected but not badly, in the end, nor was I disappointed.

Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the adorable is out conGODDAMNtrol. I can barely stand to see the two of them together being so...so......oh it's almost painful. Did that cloud my mind to a thin movie? I don't care if it did. But I was disappointed when the suede platform slingbacks Tina was wearing a lot in the first third were abandonded for those pointy heels with that kind of flat vamp that just doesn't look good to me. I guess that's my biggest complaint.

Posted by: Jay at April 25, 2008 7:17 PM

I never know if the 'first' people on this forum are joking or if they actually are misguided souls who stumbled onto Pajiba from Perez. I'm going to go with joking.

I wanted this movie to be good. So badly. I have an unnatural love for Mean Girls - I thought Tina Fey wroite an awesome script, and it was back when Lindsay still possessed a modicum of talent, when she was still Lindsay "red-headed, totally-cute, husky-voiced, freckle-faced, I-can't-believe-that-slimeball-Brandon-Davis-called-her-Firecrotch" Lohan. [Of course, now she's just Lindsay "thrice-rehabbed, twice-razzied, one-time-lesbian" Lohan, which is just not as endearing.]

Why would my beloved Tina appear in something that doesn't rock? She clearly knows how to construct a good story, and she knows what's funny and what's not. Dammit Tina.

Posted by: JJ McClay at April 25, 2008 7:24 PM

Well, I loved "Mean Girls", so I don't know what to think.

Posted by: june at April 25, 2008 7:25 PM

Eighth!!! I'm fucking Eighth. So Fuck Off. 'Cause I'm Mother Fuckin' Eighth. In your face Nine. You loser. You Douche Backwash. You Ass Clown. Yee Hah!!! I'm Eighth.

Posted by: JP at April 25, 2008 7:25 PM

Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the adorable is out conGODDAMNtrol.

This might be enough for me to see. I kinda sensed it would be lacking, but I have the biggest girl crush on those two.

Posted by: jM at April 25, 2008 7:27 PM

I mean I'm Tenth. Tenth is what I wanted to be in the first place. So suck it. And Eleven can blow me!

Posted by: JP at April 25, 2008 7:27 PM

Fuck! Will you people stop posting. Now I gotta go blow myself. *walks to company bathroom... checks stalls... walks into third stall from the right... unzips pants... pulls down pants... bends down...bends some more... injures back... falls to ground writhing in pain with ass sticking out of stall...boss comes into bathroom... he agrees to call 911*

Posted by: JP at April 25, 2008 7:30 PM

I LOVE the crap out of Tina Fey, but the trailers for this do not thrill me. It'll probably be a Netlifx. Just for Tina.

Posted by: Gabs at April 25, 2008 7:38 PM

I don't care if it adheres to the Ten Commandments for Good Film-Making (now there's a diversion idea); if it has Tina Fey, I'm watching it. (Mean Girls was excellent, especially if you've read the Queen Bees & Wannabes book from whence it came, and especially especially if you have raised evil teenage females [I know, that's redundant -- they're all evil]).

And Amy is a bonus: I'd pay to watch Tina and Amy read the news. Well, you know what I mean.

Posted by: Pajibill at April 25, 2008 7:47 PM

I have recently discovered that, when it comes to female comedians, my sense of humor is inexorably linked to my libido. I don't care who it is, if a woman makes me laugh, I instantly want to be her love slave. I had bad thoughts about freaking Lisa Lampanelli once, for goodness sake.

I think I should stay far away from the theaters while this is showing. I don't want to end up on QuizLaw as the crazy man who was arrested not-so-dry-humping 20-foot-high Tina Fey face.

Posted by: Vermillion at April 25, 2008 7:54 PM

I'm finding it impossible to read this review, because someone is getting their Achilles Tendon cut in my peripheral vision. What the hell?

Posted by: Lannie at April 25, 2008 7:56 PM

HOLY CRAP Lannie! I didn't focus enough on that stupid ad to see what was going on, and now the sight is burned into my retinas.

waahhh

Posted by: mswas at April 25, 2008 8:15 PM

Lannie, seriously... WTF?
Sounds like a good airplane movie.

Posted by: courtney at April 25, 2008 8:19 PM

Steve Martin gives a subtly absurd performance as Fey's hippie boss

Really? Was that in the trailers? If so, I totally missed it.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at April 25, 2008 8:28 PM

I was hoping this would be good, but most of the reviews say the same thing: that it has a great premise but it just doesn't add up in the end.

I'm curious to see how Poehler does in this. I was turned off by her role at first, thinking that she was playing basically the same skit from SNL (the one legged woman who farts all the time) but I guess it doesn't matter since the movie is only OK.

As for Tina Fey...she's cool and all, but I don't get the big deal w/ 30 Rock. It's hit or miss for me. I think I've only see 2 episodes and was bored most of the time.

Posted by: Brie at April 25, 2008 8:35 PM

Hey "The Hottie and The Nottie" are being advertised on Pajiba. That means it must be good, right?

Posted by: wsapnin at April 25, 2008 8:42 PM

I don't get the big deal w/ 30 Rock. It's hit or miss for me. I think I've only see 2 episodes and was bored most of the time.

you take that back Brie!

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

sorry....bit harsh, but I just finished watching the lastest episode, and they incorporated Mozart's Requim into a quest to make video game porn
I really don't think it gets better than that
(
plus I have a soft spot for Mozart's Requim, sang it in high school. 55 freakin minutes long, my feet the whole damn time and in the most godtopus-ugly choir dress you've ever seen in your life. but it is a damn fine composition)

Posted by: Bethy at April 25, 2008 8:45 PM

kiss her, i` would destroy tina fey`s vagina!

Posted by: PASADENAMIKE at April 25, 2008 9:17 PM

Just came back from watching this, and I agree with Dan's review. The stars definitely elevated the source material, and it was an enjoyable movie even if it didn't meet expectations. Liz Lemon's...er, I mean Tina Fey's character was totally likeable. Steve Martin was a hoot. Amy Poehler's reaction when she was told her water broke was pretty frickin' hilarious!

It was funny seeing Maura Tierney and Tina Fey in the same movie...my Thursday night all over again...kept waiting for someone from The Office to pop in....

Posted by: MO at April 25, 2008 9:32 PM

Sorry to disappoint, Bethy.
There's so little quality TV these days, (besides those masterpieces like Grey's Anatomy and Survivor 1012, of course...gag) so I'm on the lookout for decent shows. I tried to watch it, but 30 Rock just didn't hold my interest. :(

Posted by: Brie at April 25, 2008 9:34 PM

I saw an advanced screening in a packed theater, and people laughed their asses off throughout. The movie has its flaws, but it well worth it for Fey and Poehler's chemistry.

Let's face it, the reason that the movie has male 'placeholders' is because Hollywood can't get behind a true female buddy movie. It feels forced because it probably was.

Posted by: Ginger at April 25, 2008 9:44 PM

Ted, no, Steve was a complete surprise, and a pleasant one for me. I liked that it wasn't advertised, he just happened to also be in the movie, just like Maura Tierney and Romany Malco, and did, I thought, a nice job with what could've been a much schlockier character.

No, Amy's character isn't a dumb trashy hick like, say, Ronnie Dobbs' wife, but the trailer makes it seem that way. She's crass but she's not Cousin Eddie. Again, it's a funnier, smarter movie than the trailer. I can't say Dan's wrong, it's his opinion, but I think it's better than one might think based on its marketing.

There's also a nice coincidentally Pajiba-related line but I won't say what.

Posted by: Jay at April 25, 2008 9:51 PM

Oh, Jay, I'm racking my brain and can't think of the Pajiba-related line that you mentioned! Argh!

Loved Romany Malco's character.

Posted by: MO at April 25, 2008 10:03 PM

I wasn't sure about this movie, but I like the comments you're making about it, Jay.

Sounds like a dollar theater/rental when 30 Rock goes back to reruns.

Posted by: LB at April 25, 2008 10:12 PM

MO, it dealt with a cat. Just a little thing but it made me giggle.

But yeah, now or later, I think a Liz fan could have a good time with this movie. I actually feel like it wanted to be a really bad movie and failed as it's got lots of the trappings.

I can't make that make sense. I'm sorry.

Oh weird, I just saw a "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" that basically said "there's lots of funny things that haven't been in the commercials!". True but...odd.

And boy is "The Soup" good this week! (just cause I happen to be watching it)

Posted by: Jay at April 25, 2008 10:23 PM

I think I'm going to watch this anyway, just because it's Tina Fey and Amy Poehler. Kind of like how I will skip Forgetting Sarah Marshall, just because it's more Judd Apatow. (40 Year Old Virgin was fine, Knocked Out annoyed me, and after Superbad I was like I've had enough)

Posted by: bons at April 25, 2008 10:29 PM


Every time I signed in __ Bigblackconnect.com __ and there were always many women would talk to me ... It is a funny and interesting place to talk to these thoughtful women.

Posted by: hot at April 25, 2008 11:02 PM

I reluctantly saw this tonight and have to say I wasn't completely turned off by it. The easiest way to describe the film is cute. Nothing quite adds up right and lots of things are dropped along the way, but it felt right.

It's great to play name that actor during the film. I turned to my friend halfway through and asked her "Who isn't in this film?" Seriously, toss in Parker Posey and Patricia Clarkson and you would have had the who's who of supporting actors in quirky/questionably-indie films appearing.

If you turn your brain off, it could be a good film to kill some time. Plus, it's Tina Fey being Tina Fey. Bonus points for a great Steve Martin performance with physical shtick that doesn't feel forced. Double bonus points for having Sigourney Weaver play a character hinging on the conceit that old people like her are funny.

Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2008 11:11 PM

Saying "it's kinda cute" doesn't make me want to murder the trailer any less.

What's weird, is that this deals with the "weird" concept of women who put off child-rearing to further their careers. See, all the women I know aren't going to have any, and it has nothing to do with their careers. They just don't want any of those freakishly small humanoids who are selfish and cry all the fucking time. When is anyone going to make a movie about that? (Sorry, but I've heard every female I know point this out, and I think it's a legitimate complaint. So many were sad to see Tina Fey attached to this project.)

Posted by: Jon at April 25, 2008 11:29 PM

"Other women got pregnant; I got promotions,"

Ugh. Because as every woman knows, it's always either one or the other.

Posted by: Ciji at April 25, 2008 11:57 PM

"Other women got pregnant; I got promotions."

Yikes, that hits a little too close to home. My biological clock has a serious snooze alarm but I really don't want to think that'll be me in 8 years.

Does anyone else see this new spambot as being kinda unusually pathetic? "There were women there who would talk to me! Really, it was a miracle, cause that NEVER happens! I don't understand why not; I can tell girls anything they want to know about World of Warcraft or Dungeons and Dragons for hours on end. I even wear that super-hot Star Wars T-shirt with the Family Guy characters on it and still - nothing, until now! Thanks, Bigblacknerdconnect.com!"

Posted by: Kris at April 26, 2008 12:36 AM

I;ve got a pokret fula poo

am I drunk? yes Suck it bitches. It's friday.

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at April 26, 2008 1:46 AM

I haven't ever had a sexually transmitted disease, but i'd let amy poehler give me the clap any time she wants.

Posted by: Jamtastic at April 26, 2008 1:47 AM

Bethy: agreed. Frank's description of the valley made my jaw drop as I'd read about it not long ago via Neil Gaiman's journal. "Hey! They're talking about that thing! Ha ha ha!!" And then it just got better.

The shot of Kenneth peeking out towards the end. I don't know why but it just KILLED me.

(I'm being vague for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, I just watched it myself, but that was definitely a good episode)

Posted by: Jay at April 26, 2008 2:26 AM

41st!!!

Just started watching 30 Rock, good stuff so far, but this I shall pass on.

Posted by: Mick J at April 26, 2008 4:26 AM

I just recently got into 30 Rock and I love the fuck out of it, so I will watch anything Tina Fey's associated with, but if this film were starring any other two actresses, I'm sure it wouldn't even cross my mind to ever watch it.

A few people have been talking about 30 Rock's most recent episode... brilliant as usual. Frank's explanation of The Uncanny Valley and Tracy's obvious observations ("He acts like he doesn't care but he does!") was particularly funny to me.

Posted by: Ana at April 26, 2008 8:09 AM

I think the hightlight of that epidose was when Dr Spaceman starts running down the halls in the huge bilowy cape in slo mo to the Mozart

almost lost it

(and no, I am not usually up this early on a sat morn, but I got tricked into helping a friend move and figured I would check out what was going on in Pajiba-land on my way to Google maps)

Posted by: Bethy at April 26, 2008 8:17 AM

"I never know if the 'first' people on this forum are joking or if they actually are misguided souls who stumbled onto Pajiba from Perez. I'm going to go with joking."

I was joking. Manny did it last week and I gave him grief over it, so I couldn't resist when I logged on to Pajiba and saw zero comments. I usually think people who do that un-ironically should be flogged. So, I will never do it again.

And I will watch this movie because I love Fey and Poehler. I watched "Blades of Glory" for Arnett and Poehler and that didn't kill me.

Posted by: greer at April 26, 2008 9:46 AM

I've got nothing to say about the movie except the entire time it was advertised on this site I kept seeing Tina Fey's name as Tiny Fetus. I thought it was part of the tagline for the movie until I finally looked at the ad and realized it was her name.

Bethy -- 30 Rock really is funny. I guess you just have to be the kind of person that appreciates parodies of 25 year old movies that almost no-one under 30 years old has even heard of, let alone seen. Kind of like on the Office this week where Michael Scott is hitting on a girl and tells her that Back to the Future is his second-favorite movie, and the girl says, "I've never heard of that".

(And yes, I know I'm using punctuation outside the quotation marks -- that's where it belongs, no matter what the "rules" are.)

Posted by: Three-nineteen at April 26, 2008 10:36 AM

OK, with the punctuation and the quotation marks, I think it depends on what career you're in. Having periods and commas inside the quotation marks is the standard in some fields (ie, law), but I think other fields use the everything-outside-the-quotation marks method. So, everyone wins and I continue to be the most boring person on the planent. Scrabble anyone?

Posted by: grammarnazi at April 26, 2008 12:35 PM

Crap. I meant planet.

Posted by: grammarnazi at April 26, 2008 12:36 PM


I watched "Blades of Glory" for Arnett and Poehler and that didn't kill me.

I didn't kill you? What then? Did it just repeatedly slammed your face against a 6 foot concrete replica of Will Ferrell's pingding to the beat of "My Humps" while stabbing you in the kneecaps with a broken blade of an ice skate, masturbating into you ear, and laughing hysterically? Oh. Well, I guess some things are better than death.

But you know what, I can't judge. The only thing I remember about that movie is my best friend struggling to take my pocket knife away from me while I repeatedly whispered to myself: "Oh. God. Kill everyone in the room."

Posted by: J_Capri at April 26, 2008 1:01 PM

Greer-- Sorry for mocking you. I should've given you the benefit of the doubt. My bad.

Posted by: JP at April 26, 2008 4:38 PM

I saw this movie yesterday, and I can't say that I didn't enjoy it. It was predictable, but definitely had its funny moments. Fey and Poehler have great chemistry, and I enjoyed Steve Martin's previously mentioned character.

My only complaint is one that I shouldn't even bother to complain about because it is expected... but why can't a single woman have a baby on her own without ultimately having to have a love interest to end up with/start a family with at the end? Can't she be self sufficient and happy being so?

This complaint may be compounded by the ad that aired before the movie showing Jenny McArthy telling two teens about to consummate their relationship in the back seat of a car that the only thing that will come out of their tryst is a baby. And the she handed them one. No mention of birth control or safe sex or anything.

Fucking absinence only agenda. Now I hate Jenny McArthy even more than before, and I didn't think that was possible.

/rant.

Posted by: Britni at April 26, 2008 5:11 PM

*abstinence

Posted by: Britni at April 26, 2008 5:14 PM

My only complaint is one that I shouldn't even bother to complain about because it is expected... but why can't a single woman have a baby on her own without ultimately having to have a love interest to end up with/start a family with at the end? Can't she be self sufficient and happy being so?

See Juno...

Posted by: NDR at April 26, 2008 8:28 PM

I notice that Sigourney Weaver is listed in the cast credits for 'Baby Mama' on IMDb (yes, I do have a life... I just like the IMDb... WHAT??) and I have to know what she does in the film. Is she even in it? And to what end? Anyone? ...Anyone?

Posted by: VampireNomad at April 26, 2008 8:44 PM

I notice that Sigourney Weaver is listed in the cast credits... Is she even in it? And to what end?

Key grip (best boy).

Posted by: J_Capri at April 26, 2008 8:48 PM

@ J_Capri: *snicker* "... king of wishful thinking..."

Posted by: VampireNomad at April 26, 2008 10:02 PM

Yes, Sigourney Weaver's in it, but I don't want to say what she's doing as I didn't even know she was going to show up so it was a nice surprise. Steve's already been blown after all. I enjoyed the role more than hers in "Be Kind Rewind", but I enjoyed the whole movie more for that matter.

Posted by: Jay at April 27, 2008 2:01 AM

"They just don't want any of those freakishly small humanoids who are selfish and cry all the fucking time. When is anyone going to make a movie about that? (Sorry, but I've heard every female I know point this out, and I think it's a legitimate complaint. So many were sad to see Tina Fey attached to this project.)"

I don't know, I've always been extremely fucking annoyed by people who hypocritically complain about something they were once. Their moms put up with them when they were selfish and cried all the fucking time; who do they think THEY are, to be too awesome and important to have to do that? If you're too self-absorbed and independent to be a mom, say that. At least it's honest.

"(And yes, I know I'm using punctuation outside the quotation marks -- that's where it belongs, no matter what the "rules" are.)"

I think in Britain, punctuation goes outside the quotation marks, and in America it's vice versa. Just say you're from Europe or something.


As to the actual movie, I imagine I've already seen worse, so I might as well lend some support to Hollywood for putting out a female buddy comedy. Maybe that will encourage them to make more, and maybe to make some higher quality ones next time.

Posted by: Claire at April 27, 2008 2:23 PM

Claire- "I don't know, I've always been extremely fucking annoyed by people who hypocritically complain about something they were once. "

.......You do realize that people don't get to chose if they're born or not? That's stupid.

"If you're too self-absorbed and independent to be a mom, say that. "

Too self-absorbed? I knew this shit was going to start onece people started that Being A Mom Is The Hardest Thing In The World stuff. Women who don't want children aren't self-absorbed, women who have children aren't selfless saints. Spare me that shit.

Posted by: Jon at April 27, 2008 4:19 PM

Hooray for Jon. As a woman who does not want children (except for my vitual Internet daughter, Alex The Odd) I am impressed that someone finally stood up for my type. I really hate the whole "career or baby" line and the "not compete without children" line. I wish Hollywood would just once portray a woman who is content in the choices she has made regardless of what those choices are.

Posted by: PaddyDog at April 27, 2008 7:15 PM

"...to mine the comedic ground she's been successfully tilling for years...."

Mixed metaphor! Arg!

Sorry, carry on....

Posted by: frumpiefox at April 27, 2008 8:45 PM

With my new credo of assuming every commenter is female I'll accept that Jon has a completely valid argument. Otherwise I'd wonder why this guy is the shouting spokesman of childless women.

(oh, calm down. I just don't think this movie's something to get upset about. I think Claire also had a good point but implied a complementary judgment. Not that I'm the referee. Nor do I want to wear vertical stripes.)

We were all pain in the ass babies. We don't have to make our own. The market's well supplied anyway. But as The Doctor said, "They're just children. They can't help where they come from". So be nice to them if you can. Meanwhile it's part of my job to get Mom or Dad back on task, cause they ain't our kid.

It would be an interesting challenge to write a comedy wherein the protagonist says "dammit, I'm not gonna have kids!"....and she doesn't. I guess it'd just have to be about something else where the woman just happens to not have children and therefore it would probably barely be mentioned. It makes me think of Patton Oswalt's history of Burbank otherwise.

Pregnancy itself is an arc so it certainly lends itself to stories. I don't think there's anything wrong with not having children nor should it raise eyebrows. But I know some women get baby urges too. So do I. And there you have a story, a woman who's neglected her personal life and gets a giant maternal urge. It's not everybody's story, but I don't think it should be taken as offensive either. Tina Fey's not single, but she is a successful mother, so there's evidence that you don't have to have one or the other. It's not common that a movie has a woman who's perfectly fine with her life, that's definitely true. I think "Chasing Amy" was a nice look at everybody else not being fine with it. Meanwhile Liz Lemon, while she does worry about most things, had a maternal crisis for about one episode. She doesn't work too much for a woman though, she just works too much. I suppose TV lets women live their lives continuously a bit more, rather than having a three act Woman Crisis. But maybe Tina'll write another script.

Posted by: Jay at April 27, 2008 9:31 PM

"gifted comedians like Fey and Poehler"

Are you kidding? I was sure I would never see such a phrase in a Pajiba review...but hey, life is full of little disappointments.

In my opinion, these two are just a couple more in a long line of slightly talented performers who came through the ranks of SNL...a vehicle that continues to amazingly coast along on whatever fumes are left in the gas tank that has been wavering around "E" since the early eighties.

Sad that this is what movie audiences go to see. And willingly.

Oh well...

Posted by: Marty at April 27, 2008 10:59 PM

"Otherwise I'd wonder why this guy is the shouting spokesman of childless women. "

Not shouting. Not a spokesperson. Stating an opinion, which I hadn't realized I required ovaries to have.

As for the comments regarding the behaviour of infants: it's called sarcasm people. And the reality is: babies are fucking annoying sometimes. And there's nothing wrong with recognizing that. Cute, but the crying can be a bit much and the projectile vomiting is disgusting. And that's just where it's at. (Like how puppies can be cute, but them pissing on the carpet isn't.)

"And there you have a story, a woman who's neglected her personal life and gets a giant maternal urge. It's not everybody's story, but I don't think it should be taken as offensive either. "

Yikes. It's not being taken offensively. We're just lamenting how every film that has anything to do with women and babies has to do with them wanting one. Unless the woman is the kicky bestfriend, who's usually "sassy" and a drinker.

Personally? I don't have ovaries, and I don't get "baby urges" whatever the hell that means. I just run with a particularly LARGE group of women who aren't into the pregnancy deal. It rubs off.

Posted by: Jon at April 28, 2008 12:17 AM

Fair enough, you just read as disproportionately angry in your first comment and then seemingly putting a few words in Claire's mouth, and I just thought a guy saying "well, all the women I know hate it!" and possibly wanting a fight about a little comedy was kind of a funny image. That's just me and my perception and you can definitely say whatever you want. Hell, I talk a lotta nonsense about nothing. But of course I don't know these women. Maybe you and they (or is it 'you and them'?) are that fed up with the rugrats. Anyway, I'd hate to think this movie would stir up a bunch of resentment here. That's Judd Apatow's job!

A baby urge is an urge to have a baby. Comes and goes in some people.

Posted by: Jay at April 28, 2008 12:41 AM

Dear Jay,
As your love of Patton Oswalt, 30 Rock and Doctor Who indicates, you are clearly me from the future. This both intrigues and delights me. I am delighted by that fact that my collegic lifestyle has not lead to an untimely alcohol-poisoned demise and intrigued by your certain knowledge of my life. Will I ever hook up with that asian girl who sat behind me in English? Will this growing my hair out experiment ever amount to anything? Will this rash clear up? Answers and insights will be much appreciated.
Sincerely,
TyranThesaurus Rex.

Posted by: Tyranthesaurus Rex at April 28, 2008 2:39 AM

Oh, Spambot...as if Yahoo Answers is a good reference for anything. You are so woefully misguided.

Posted by: Sarina at April 28, 2008 2:41 AM

Ummmm.

At one point in college I said, "naw, I'm too short for hair this long" (it was about chin length). I've moved towards shorter and shorter these days. It feels a bit nice to simply wipe your hair into place. That rash is probably nothing, but seeing a professional can have such a good psychological effect. For life after school, I can try to save you some time and say work/intern/volunteer before you graduate. Just get it on paper that you've been in the correctly named type of building. If you find you're really supposed to do something else and go to grad school, repeat the process.

As for romance, Stevie Jackson is the real sage, though neither of us are married. I'd just say it's better to be single than to be lamenting having rushed into what's turned out not to be the right fit. But it's also good to not be so damn uptight. Oh and avoid doing too much of your drinking in bars, people tell me it sponges up an awful lot of money. I'm really just getting my act together now, so I hope it goes more smoothly for you. Good luck!

(I haven't watched the rest of Torchwood 1 myself but I must to see what Martha's been up to prior to the Sontaran invasion. Good thing I'm taking time off in a few weeks)

Posted by: Jay at April 28, 2008 7:19 AM

I saw them on "S e e k i n g R i c h . c o m",too.Maybe they want make more new friends.You can contact them on that site.

Posted by: Nick at April 28, 2008 11:22 AM

Up with Jon! What's wrong with NOT wanting children? There are many more factors other than being "self-absorbed". How about you just KNOW that kids are not for you? Happy as hell to be an aunt or godmother, why isn't that enough for some people (i.e. the breeders or would-be-breeders judging you).
Sometimes I think that whole "eek, I'm 30-whatever and don't have time" is something passed around to women who are otherwise happy with their lives. Did you put off having a baby to work? Maybe you didn't really want one in the first place.
/rant too.

Posted by: happycat at April 28, 2008 12:22 PM

"See, all the women I know aren't going to have any, and it has nothing to do with their careers. They just don't want any of those freakishly small humanoids who are selfish and cry all the fucking time. When is anyone going to make a movie about that?"

I think that's already been made - it's called "The Bitter Pain-in-the-Ass Who Makes You Feel Like an Asshole for Having a Child." Or something like that.

I completely appreciate and respect the decision to remain child-free, but I really hate the "fuck breeders" sentiment here. It's just stupid. I don't think I'm morally superior for being a parent and I don't those who decide not to have children have any moral high ground, either.

Posted by: samantha t at April 28, 2008 3:35 PM

Why does everyone have a chip on their shoulder regarding kids, you want 'em or you don't. Either is fine, just don't be so gosh darned defensive folks.

Posted by: alli at April 28, 2008 5:16 PM

"I think that's already been made - it's called "The Bitter Pain-in-the-Ass Who Makes You Feel Like an Asshole for Having a Child." Or something like that. "

Well, that would be your issue. Never mentioned women who *wanted* kids, only the ones who don't.

Posted by: Jon at April 28, 2008 9:22 PM

Greer-- Sorry for mocking you. I should've given you the benefit of the doubt. My bad.

Posted by JP

What is this. Such niceness on the "scathing reviews for bitchy people" site? JP are you trying to start a trend? Are you trying to soften up my beloved Pajibaland?

Well stop it, just stop it. I am just not ready.

Posted by: Phat girl at April 29, 2008 5:25 PM

Hmm. Can't figure out why anyone thinks Fey is funny or talented or whatever it is she's supposed to be.

She strikes me as not as smart or edgy as she thinks she is, nor as ironic or cutting as she'd need to be to pull some laughs out of her BANAL world.

She's a lot like mainstream America: too hypnotized to have any vision and too nervous to have any soul.

Posted by: Gadzo at April 30, 2008 2:01 AM

"gifted comedians like Fey and Poehler"

Are you kidding? I was sure I would never see such a phrase in a Pajiba review...but hey, life is full of little disappointments.

In my opinion, these two are just a couple more in a long line of slightly talented performers who came through the ranks of SNL...a vehicle that continues to amazingly coast along on whatever fumes are left in the gas tank that has been wavering around "E" since the early eighties.

Thanks, Marty. I was thinking it was just me.

Posted by: QueBarbara at May 1, 2008 11:12 PM

Hey, I swear when I previewed that comment, the italics were on the entire quote from Marty. Sorry.

Posted by: QueBarbara at May 1, 2008 11:14 PM

I may be buzzed and I may have just watched the newest 30 Rock...but I think Tina Fey is one of the funniest women out there. That show has me howling almost every episode, and she has my eternal support for that. I understand that not everyone finds her funny and you are of course entitled to that opinion (the world would be a boring place if everyone agreed), but her work on Weekend Update (which granted, SNL usually has 10 minutes of hilarity and 45 minutes of tedium), Mean Girls, and now 30 Rock to me is an indication that she's extremely talented.

I just love her. 30 Rock has given her my eternal devotion.

Posted by: Julie at May 1, 2008 11:30 PM

Oh, QueBarbara...for some reason the italics don't quite work when there's a paragraph break in the lines that you are quoting. To remedy that I put the italics tags at the beginning and end of EACH section :)

Posted by: Julie at May 1, 2008 11:33 PM