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Nevermind the Wiggles

Alternadad by Neal Pollack / Dustin Rowles

Film Reviews | June 26, 2007 | Comments (67)


Though the arrival of my first-born son is only a few hours, days, or weeks (?) away, I’m generally loathe to talk about it at much length in print, despite my almost out-of-body excitement. I don’t want to become one of those people — it’s bad enough spending a lunch hour with a “dog person” who, having not satisfied the itch to talk obsessively about the life of her Golden Retriever on her blog, bores co-workers to tears with stories about her pooch’s need to sleep in the same bed or eat from a high-chair at the family table. Honestly, I couldn’t care less. Quite often, parents are even worse, and though I generally find obsessive talk of babies, diapers and poo remarkably endearing in friends, it’s not what I want to read about when I come to a pop-culture site. There’s a time and a place (like the brilliant Offsprung), and while I fully intend not to expound upon my child-rearing experiences on Pajiba, I do expect that, in real life, I’m going to struggle to some extent with maintaining my pre-parent identity.

And though that is one of the themes running through Neal Pollack’s Alternadad, I think I might have left the wrong impression about both the book as a whole and Mr. Pollack specifically with some of our readers when discussing, a few weeks ago, Hollywood’s decision to buy the film rights to the book (I stand by my assertion that the book will make a horrible movie, however). Some of you took the label “hipster Dad” in a way that Pollack had certainly not intended it; in fact, it’s not the way he characterizes himself at all — it’s mainly the reviewers of his book who have unfairly given him that derisive label (most of whom, I imagine, are crusty old traditional parents who probably don’t give a second thought to pouring gallons of high fructose corn syrup down their child’s gullet). As Pollack writes in his book, he’s not trying to be “cool,” so much as he’s trying to raise his child, Elijah, in accordance with his and his wife’s values. And while some may deem those values “hipster,” a growing number of parents (including myself) readily identify with them, demeaning terminology be damned. Pollack doesn’t want to feed his son processed foods; he doesn’t want to expose him to McDonalds or Barney or commercial television; he wants to put his kid in a quality preschool; and yeah, he wants him to have decent taste in music. What the hell is wrong with that?

In Alternadad, Pollack writes about his struggle to implement his values as a parent in an unsettlingly familiar way. If you’re not wealthy, how do you afford to feed your family more expensive organic foods? How do you manage to give birth naturally if your health care providers are shoving epidurals in your face? Do you circumcise or not circumcise? If you can’t afford daycare, how do you preoccupy your child during the day without allowing him to watch too much television while also maintaining your own sanity? What might it mean to raise your child in a gender neutral manner? How do you isolate your child from mass consumerism? Why are The Wiggles and The Aquabats OK and not Barney? And please, for those who have moral reservations about shopping at Wal-Mart, why is Target an acceptable place to buy baby wipes? Pollack addresses all but the last of these concerns (which will always remain a mystery to me), but beyond simply raising his lifestyle anxieties, Pollack’s underlying concerns are fundamental: Ensuring that his son is healthy, lives in a good house in a decent neighborhood, and that he’s able to provide for him. He’s an Eisenhower-era father who just so happens to dig The Ramones.

If you’re not a parent, or soon to be one, there’s not a lot in Alternadad that’s really going to interest you (I can’t imagine how bored I’d have been if I’d picked it up a year ago), which is why you’ll find the book in the General Parenting section of your local bookstore, and not amongst the memoirs. And for current child-rearers, Pollack doesn’t necessarily provide a lot of answers or advice, but, to a certain type of parent (of which, I imagine, there are quite a few on this site), there is a lot in the book to which you can relate. I’ve read my share of the baby books that are popular now (Dr. Sears, What to Expect When You’re Expecting, etc.) and while they offer mostly common-sensical advice, Alternadad is the only book I’ve read that’s actually given me an idea of what it’ s going to be like to be a parent. And it’s not just a series of amusing child-raising anecdotes involving flung fecal matter — though, there is a lot of that — it also provides a glimpse into the day-to-day life of raising a child: The scheduling difficulties, coping with a fussy baby; what to do when your child starts biting other children; and, yes, how to maintain your own sense of self when raising a child becomes an all-consuming experience. Even if it’s not particularly informative, Alternadad is comforting, in a way, for would-be parents otherwise going into the experience blind. And it’s funny as hell, to boot.

As far as Pollack’s parenting philosophy goes, I think this passage adequately sums up the book’s main sentiment:

Upon this arrival Elijah immediately became the most important thing. Of course there would be changes. But we were here first, and we invited him. We would not succumb to the cult of child-rearing; our kid was not going to be our excuse to retreat from the wider world. He would be our passport, and we would be his.

If that’s what it means to be a hipster parent, then count me in.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. He lives with his wife in Ithaca, New York. You may email him, or leave a comment below.


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Comments

...bores co-workers to tears with stories about her pooch's need to sleep in the same bed or eat from a high-chair at the family table.

*hangs head in shame*

Posted by: litelysalted at June 26, 2007 2:51 PM

hee hee litely. my pseudo-interesting dog stories usually involve something being eaten and me going ballistic. I am not a dog-beater, I swear! I only talk about it all the time.....

Posted by: nexus 6 at June 26, 2007 2:59 PM

Well, if you don't want to be called a "hipster dad", you shouldn't call your book on raising your child Alternadad.

I'm glad we have reviews like these, though, to go beyond the title and see what it's all about. It's actually quite interesting, even though I'm far from expecting a child. I wish you, your wife, and the future alternakid all the best, Dustin.

Posted by: MJ at June 26, 2007 3:15 PM

Am I the first parent of a small child to respond? This book sounds great. The no-day-care-but-don't-want-to-put-them-in-front-of-the-TV dilemma is very real, but I've fought it so far. I'm going to buy it this afternoon. It sounds like something the hubby will like too. He'll find it refreshing to actually find a parenting book from a man's perspective.

Believe me, after having a child, the dog becomes (gasp!), just a dog.

Posted by: katy at June 26, 2007 3:29 PM

Believe me, after having a child, the dog becomes (gasp!), just a dog.

Maybe that's why I only have dogs...

That, and I won't have to pay to send them to college.

Posted by: TK at June 26, 2007 3:39 PM

You said it Dustin. I really related to what Neal had to say in the book.

I've also been checking out the Offsprung site, and hot damn! They've got some talented people over there. There's this one in particular, Hispanic! At the Disco (I think) that just rocks my world! I don't know who the writer is, but he looks pretty familiar, and I'm comfortable enough in my own sexuality to admit that he's damn good looking. I think any parent worth their salt owes it to themselves to pick up Alternadad, and regularly read and comment on my, I mean, that guy's column.

Posted by: Manny at June 26, 2007 3:39 PM

when you first mentioned this book, i wanted to go out and get it for my brother-in-law, who will be a first-time dad in a couple of weeks. then i started second-guessing it, what with all of the "hipster dad" stuff. but yes, i just realized that i'm a big dummy and will be going to amazon as soon as i stop typing this. thank you dustin! is it just me or are there an abnormal number of hyphens in this post?

Posted by: kb at June 26, 2007 3:39 PM

Heehee. We just saw "Knocked Up" last night at the local brew-n-view and I have to say, hubby and I got a little wistful for the inevitable offspring. We've been holding out, but lately hubby finds himself somewhat reluctantly letting go of our neighbor's kid when she scrambles over his lap to show off her latest wonder-find (a toad, in last week's case).
Now this book. *sigh*

and, Litely... i totally understand about the dogs. They ARE our children, the rest of humanity be damned!


"I don't know about you, but my biological clock is tickin' like this!"

Posted by: Stella at June 26, 2007 4:05 PM

Re: Target vs. Wal-Mart

My impression was that Wal-Mart has the unfortunate disadvantage of being primarily identified with rural, red-state "Middle America," while Target shields itself with marginally more upscale products featuring Isaac Mizrahi labels that are popular with college kids and hipster-types who want decent looking clothes and furniture on the cheap. There's your difference.

Both get their stuff from China. Neither has unionized stores. But Target isn't associated with rural, tragically uncool rural America, so it gets a free pass.

Seems kinda lame to me, really. But if anyone can offer a better rationale, I'd love to hear it.

Posted by: Chewie at June 26, 2007 4:09 PM

My husband and I are about to start a family, and I feel like this book would be a great gift for him once things get rolling.
Dustin - I have to say that you've managed to keep your private life private but still allow your readers small glimpses into the parts of your life that are most important to you. Your excitement over the impending birth of your son is palpable, and it's wonderful that you feel OK about sharing it with us. I really appreciate it, and your willingness to interact with your readers is what I love most about Pajiba. You're going to be a great dad. Best of luck.

Posted by: Kolby at June 26, 2007 4:16 PM

he wants to put his kid in a quality preschool..."

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That's a big ol' red flag right there. The thing is, I find that all these obsessed *new age* "power parents" are as bad as the lowest of the irresponsible trash/ghetto types.

AAAAAAAAAAll their kids are "gifted," they need to be "stimulated" and put into hitler youth 40k a year primary schools; pffffffft...whatever, just more annoying people to make life suck even more.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at June 26, 2007 4:36 PM

We're what you would call a hippie-like Christian couple. As opposed to what many people would assume I LOVED Pollack's dad stories and, yes, even the parts laced with left-wing material. Parents are parents and should appreciate ingesting the diversity of everyone's journey in parentage.

Posted by: bebemiqui at June 26, 2007 4:48 PM

Well, in my case I shop at Target rather than Wal-Mart because the Target is neat, well organized, and has a comprehensive floor plan and the Wal-Mart is the 5th circle of hell. Maybe 7th, the gun counter is one aisle over from the toy section. Also, I've had friends who worked at Target and they didn't report the same kind of blatent sexism and time card manipulation that Wal-Mart is notorious for.

I don't know how soon I'll have to make these decisions, probably in the next ten years, but I've always looked back on how my own parents raised me as inspiration. They were both paying off student loans (my mom was actually still taking college classes to get her BA) so my childhood featured a lot of Mac n' Cheese, Kool Aid and other not terrific foodstuffs. I was an avid Seasame Street watcher and Raffi listener, but I was read to every single night until I was 8 or 9. Starting with Dr.Seuss and eventually moving into Laura Ingalls Wilder's books and the Hobbit. I think that was the most important thing my parents ever did to make me who I am, and something I intend to do for my children.

Posted by: Genny at June 26, 2007 5:00 PM

corn syrup is dextrose, not fructose - I believe that actually makes it good for kids.

Posted by: lickitgood at June 26, 2007 5:02 PM

Re Target vs. Walmart:
As a seriously underpaid single parent getting no child support from the deadbeat ex, I've had to put aside my morality in exchange for cheap goods. The main reasons I go for Target are that the kid's clothes are cheap and hold up to very active play, and I don't have to wade through pallets of crap in the aisles and screaming kids running circles around their oblivious parents. I won't put up with that from my kid, but then again, I believe in discipline and personal responsibility.

And Dustin, congratulations - you're going to have so much fun. Just remember to relax and roll with it.

Posted by: pinkcheese at June 26, 2007 5:12 PM

High Fructose Corn Syrup is and was in much of my diet, and I turned out okay. However, that does not make it good for kids, especially since it's now in almost every packaged food product sold in the United States.

Dustin, your kid is not a dog. You can tell us about your kid, but please do so in moderation.

Manny, I love your shameless, yet humorous, self-promotion.

Target has less lawsuits against it, as well as better PR than Wal-Mart does. Target has also positioned itself as a slightly more upscale brand, and less gun friendly, unlike Wal-Mart's big screen cameo in Bowling for Columbine.

Posted by: Bianca Reagan at June 26, 2007 5:22 PM

Self promotion? Me? Bianca, I wholeheartedly take offense with...oh wait. Nevermind. Buy Alternadad! Read Offsprung! Buy foreign (beer)!

Shameless? Yes. Subtle? Not so much.

Posted by: Manny at June 26, 2007 5:51 PM

Dustin,

Expecting as well. I've read all the reviews but haven't bowed down before all that is hip and picked it up to read. The "ALTERNA" thing bugs the shit out of me. However, after reading your take on it, I may just buy it. Take another look at PARENTHOOD when you get the chance. A fine piece, if not a little sentimental.

Posted by: Slouchmonkey at June 26, 2007 5:59 PM

Ok -- far be it from me to tell anyone how to raise their children, but I have to add my two cents regarding the HFCS discussion.

Growing up, my parents were horribly, horribly negligent, and as a result my sister and I were weaned on junk food. I'm talking Pepsi in the sippy-cup, people. As a result, to this day I am repulsed by anything containing hydrogenated, high-fructose anything, and regard (non organic/natural) processed foods with a paranoia bordering on schizophrenia.

A friend of mine, on the other hand, was forbidden sweets as a tot due to his mother reading some book called The Sugar Blues and to this day he routinely kills off entire cartons of Ben & Jerrys in a sitting and eats Reeses PB Cups in single bites.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to dress my Australian Shepherd in her Sunday Best and parade her about the neighborhood.

Posted by: litelysalted at June 26, 2007 6:01 PM

Oh, I guess I was trying to make a point there. Well, don't forbid your kids from eating snacks they like, because they'll probably turn out fucked up. And for the love of everything holy -- DON'T make them eat nothing but junk food, because they'll probably also be fucked up that way. There, that's better.

Posted by: litelysalted at June 26, 2007 6:05 PM

Circumcision is barbaric and unnecessary. Please leave little Dustin intact.

My chapter of Hands Off Our Penises has not been shut down by the JDL yet.

Posted by: Bucko at June 26, 2007 6:22 PM

Good luck escaping those damn Wiggles. They are actually not nearly as bad as that Barney fellow.

At least the Wiggles aim for variety. The purple one is oddly narcoleptic, the red one creepy as hell, the blue one is the token butch, and the yellow one can actually sing. In addition, they have an aerobic instructor that resembles a coked up Lara Flynn Boyle. Good times.

Posted by: agent bedhead at June 26, 2007 6:23 PM

wait, wait... you're saying that there are people who take more than one bite out of a peanut butter cup? and furthermore, regardless of labeling, 75% of all carton's of ben & jerry's aren't eaten in a single sitting? I thought that that "serving size" bullshit was sort of equivalent to the warning on Q-Tips that says not to put them in your ear...

Posted by: Bucko at June 26, 2007 6:26 PM

Again, re: Target vs. Wal-Mart

"Target has less lawsuits against it, as well as better PR than Wal-Mart does. Target has also positioned itself as a slightly more upscale brand, and less gun friendly, unlike Wal-Mart's big screen cameo in Bowling for Columbine."

That first sentence just about sums it up. I would suggest that the first fact is largely due to the second one.

If the worst thing about Wal-Mart is that it sells shotguns (still legal, last time I checked) and that it plays shenanigans with the time clock (something most employers are guilty of at some point), then I don't see how it is much different from Target. I hope they pay their PR team well, though.

As to the quality differences, you won't get any arguments from me. Just pointing out that maybe the uneven public perception of the two places, in terms of their business practices, isn't really justified.

Posted by: Chewie at June 26, 2007 6:29 PM

I thought that that "serving size" bullshit was sort of equivalent to the warning on Q-Tips that says not to put them in your ear...

HA! Seriously though, this guy does those things on a daily basis. He's pretty much the biggest glutton I've ever met. Constance will back me up.

Posted by: litelysalted at June 26, 2007 7:05 PM

You know the dog-child thing works both ways. Those of us with dogs but no children are equally sick of hearing about other people's children. I am especially sick of being stuck in traffic having to stare at bumper stickers that scream the praise of a youngster for bothering to actually do his homework and get a decent grade. I mean really? "My son is an honor student at Hopelessly Self-Indulgent Middle School"? You'd be laughed off the road where I come from for having one of those. Actually, the kid wouldn't even let his parents put it on the car for fear of the widespread mockery that would ensue. Is it possible there are others like me who launch into really boring stories about my dogs just to let the parent-types know they are boring me after 20 minutes of hearing about "the amazing Jason"? I'm not a child hater, but that doesn't mean I want to go out to dinner and hear about them all night long.

Posted by: PaddyDog at June 26, 2007 7:09 PM

PaddyDog I especially love when said sticker is on a Hercules Class SUV being driven recklessly and without regard for other motorists while the driver yacks on his/her cell with the kids in the back.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at June 26, 2007 7:34 PM

that it plays shenanigans with the time clock (something most employers are guilty of at some point)

The hell? Most employers? Someone has a rather pessimistic view of companies. I work in HR for a well-known company, with a large population of those who punch the clock (i.e. not salaried) and we don't play that shit. At all. One of the quickest ways to land in the 7th circle of litigation hell is to mess with someone's pay. I can't speak for smaller companies, who presumably have less exposure, but I'm pretty sure most of the larger ones wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Thus, I'd venture to say that most employers, at least the big ones, AREN'T guilty of that.

Posted by: Daphne at June 26, 2007 7:37 PM

Also, I'd like to go on record as the one person who doesn't want to hear incessant chatter about children or dogs. It's one thing to express your love for them, it's a whole other matter when that's ALL you talk about every day. You would think some people were walking zombies with no absolutely no semblance of a life before children or their dog came into the fold.

Posted by: Daphne at June 26, 2007 7:46 PM

"My son is an honor student at Hopelessly Self-Indulgent Middle School"

I am so putting that on my car!

Posted by: pajibill at June 26, 2007 7:48 PM

I would hope most parents would strive to put their kids in a quality preschool. That doesn't make them new age or a power parent - it makes them smart. I'm not talking about stuffing your kid in a uniform and spending 40k/year, but if you want to help your kid develop emotionally, socially, and academically, preschool is a good place to go.

Also, all kids are smart and should be stimulated.

Posted by: Mowi at June 26, 2007 7:56 PM

Mowi:

1. I WAS referring specifically to the power-parent phenomenon. However I will state for the record that one their latent characteristics is an perverted obsession with a "good" pre-school, this people even put themselves on god damned waiting lists BEFORE THE KID IS BORN, puleeeeeaze get a fucking life. It's elitism and douchebaggery plain and simple.

2. All kids are born with potential and that should be nurtured. That does NOT mean that all kids are *gifted* and need special, extra expensive schools to turn them into smarmy little suits.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but young little "Lance" is probably just average.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at June 26, 2007 8:17 PM

I have to recommend Anne Lamott's Operating Instructions as the book that actually gave me an image of what having a baby would be like. Remarkably accurate and honest (at times painfully so).

Posted by: Jana at June 26, 2007 8:37 PM

Barbado,

It looks like we agree: I think putting your kid on a list before they are born & spending thousands of dollars IS elitist. I also agree that not every kid is gifted. In fact, I wouldn't tell any kid they were gifted, for reasons that are silly to go into here.

I took your original post to mean that, just because a parent wants their kid in a quality preschool they are a power parent; though that's *not* what you meant.

PS. I don't have a "Lance", but if I did he probably *would* be average :)

Posted by: mowi at June 26, 2007 8:49 PM

Paddydog...I'm still giggling!

Posted by: Michelle at June 26, 2007 10:13 PM

I think everyone ought to only spout one nugget of parental advice:

Love your kid

Everyone's so uptight about everyone else's parenting choices. If you see someone abusing (really abusing...not force feeding them organic cheese curls) their kid, step in and offer assistance. Otherwise...butt out!

Oh yeah, avoid parenting magazines...they'll just make you worry about everything!

Posted by: bebemiqui at June 26, 2007 11:06 PM

Hehehehe, please don't think I was referring to you, I'm extremely sorry if it came across that way!!!!

:)

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at June 26, 2007 11:28 PM

My 2 cents on target vs. walmart...

Target? HQ in my home state. Wal-Mart? HQ in Arkansas.

To heck with Arkansas!

Got to admit that the whole impending parenthood thing is looming upon me.. may have to give this one a look-see.

Posted by: Ray at June 26, 2007 11:40 PM

well...for what it's worth, my step father had a bumper sticker on his car reading "my child is an honor student at the polk county correctional facility (home of the fighting jailbirds. i was quietly proud.

also, if corn syrup is dextrose, i don't really understand the labeling high fructose corn syrup. an excellent read that discusses corn products in detail, as well as the current commercially accepted criteria for organic and free-range products is 'the omnivores dilemma,' which manages to explore the issues surrounding four meals without reverting to self-rightousness

Posted by: kat at June 27, 2007 12:25 AM

When this one came out it did stop me in my tracks for a moment...the black cover, the pierced bill reminiscent of a prince albert..I thought to myself, what the hell is this?
It is a great, fast read. If you come in your local bookstore and ask for the non-typical parenting stuff it is definitely out there. My favorite to recommend is "Pregnancy Sucks!", for each sex...It's not all dobson and baby whisperers.

Posted by: bookslut at June 27, 2007 2:23 AM

Anne Lamott, Ariel Gore, Bee Lavender; all good reading for parents-to-be.

Posted by: AdaHaze at June 27, 2007 3:43 AM

I shop at Target, on the vanishingly rare occasion that I shop at all, because they provide same-sex partner health benefits to a couple that I know and love since one of the women works there full time. It tips the balance for me.

Posted by: just me at June 27, 2007 6:38 AM

I think I just realized the true reason we homeschool...I NEVER have to deal with those horrible bumperstickers.

Posted by: karenann at June 27, 2007 7:26 AM

I think the problem w/ the incessant dog/children chatter is that after a 3 hour roundtrip commute, an 8-10 hour workday ... you aren't left w/ much time left over to experience anything but the dog/kid (dog in our case)....
you get home, eat, take the dogs for their 30-45 minute walk... and hey lookee! it's 10pm and 6am comes awfully quick.

There's a (sad) reason I live for my weekends.

Posted by: Stella at June 27, 2007 9:41 AM

Well, I'm a little obsessive about my kid AND my dogs. My favorite t-shirt reads:

(front)

"My dogs are not my children."

(back)

"At least, that's what their piano teacher tells me."


But, I don't expect anyone else to be as fascinated with them as I am. That would just be stupid.

And I do have an "honor student" bumper sticker on my minivan (I AM THE STEREOTYPE). Not because I want to impress the world with my kid's kick-ass knowledge of fifth-grade spelling and math, but because the school gives them out, the kids enjoy receiving the recognition, and who the hell does it hurt? She likes the fact that I appreciate her hard work in school. Big whoop.

Y'all just got to relax a bit. Sure, parenting is hard. But you can only guide your kids, not mold them into what you want them to be, whether that's child geniuses or hip little kids who eschew Barney and Disney pop. Once they start hanging with their peers, your influence is going to be SO much less important, believe me. I have the eardrum scars from the Jonas Brothers to prove it.

Posted by: Wednesday at June 27, 2007 10:52 AM

RE: Target Vs. Wal-mart

As previous posts have noted, Wal-mart being an evil empire aside, Wal-mart seems designed to get you lost so that you buy more stuff. I was given a gift card at Wal-mart for a baby gift and shopping there was still a miserable experience.

Target also seems to have a range of quality of products so you can go higher end or cheap-o.

Of course, I use cloth diapers and wipes so I don't have to buy baby wipes at all.

Posted by: chrysophyta at June 27, 2007 12:42 PM

As a liberal-book reading-punk rock listening-painter, I think this book looks awesome for me and my hubby. We are about to start trying to have a baby (we've been practicing for years) and we are a little worried about how to raise a child, we want it to be healthy, happy and non-conformist, lol, is that too much to ask,

ps. I do not plan to shove my punk veiws down my kids throat, I just want my kid to be open to all music, not just automatically like the crap mtv tells them to like.

Posted by: lea at June 27, 2007 1:28 PM

Dude, I was just over at Manny's page, Offsprung.

and on it they have a "Contest: Horrifying Moments In Parenting."

You have to read that, have to, especially the original post about the pocket, I just laughed so hard I was crying, it killed me , that was the funniest sh*t ever.

Posted by: lea at June 27, 2007 1:42 PM

While it is very sweet that the parents-to-be here are thinking hard about the way they want to raise their progeny (yay, participation!), I must say:

No matter how "alterna" you are, your kid will ALWAYS think you are a dork.

No matter how much of your favorite music you pump into his/her little ears, it is only background noise to them. The music they love will be the stuff you hate. If they start out loving The Beatles, you are LUCKY. The Ramones that you love may be like 38 Special to them.

Dustin may like Neil's writing, but the "alterna"-thing is annoying. Not too long ago, Mr. Neil blogged about being in a "cool dad contest" at his son's preschool that he was SURE to win. The thing is, other dads at the school included David Byrne and Dan Zanes!

Posted by: wavemaven at June 27, 2007 2:05 PM

"What might it mean to raise your child in a gender neutral manner?"

It means nothing good. Most of the psych literature is pretty explicit about that.

Posted by: Phaeolus at June 27, 2007 2:30 PM

"How do you manage to give birth naturally if your health care providers are shoving epidurals in your face?"

I don't know, AlternaDAD. Okay, sorry. Just went through a fierce, two-day labor (Dustin, this won't happen to your wife - promise!), much of it without anesthesia (not my choice - got sent home from the hospital). Am feeling some gender bitterness.

I think that hospitals may push the whole epidural thing, at least to first-time moms, because the pain for many women (including me) is unprecedented and excruciating. I knew it would hurt. I didn't know that I would pray for the sweet release of death at certain points. It's possible for a woman to have every intention of doing it without anesthesia and then decide it's just too much. If you put an epidural off for too long, it may be too late. That said, a dear friend of mine did it all without anesthesia and didn't regret a thing. Different strokes.

Posted by: Samantha T at June 27, 2007 3:19 PM

As to the merits of the Alternadad approach, I guess I'm just inherently suspicious of any parent who is seriously concerned about his or her child's musical taste. Who gives a rat's ass? Why don't you let them figure it out for themselves? I loved Michael Jackson when I was ten and loved The Smiths when I was sixteen. The feeling of discovery of "good" music was pivotal for me. Having my parents lead the way (the thought of that is, seriously, laughable) would've put a damper on the whole thing.

Posted by: Samantha T at June 27, 2007 3:35 PM

Thanks Lea! Your official Offsprung T-shirt, that we in no way offered to you in exchange for a ringing endoresement of the site, is in the mail.

Posted by: Manny at June 27, 2007 3:47 PM

Thanks Lea! Your official Offsprung T-shirt, that we in no way offered to you in exchange for a ringing endorsement of the site, is in the mail.

Posted by: Manny at June 27, 2007 3:48 PM

Dustin may like Neil's writing, but the "alterna"-thing is annoying. Not too long ago, Mr. Neil blogged about being in a "cool dad contest" at his son's preschool that he was SURE to win. The thing is, other dads at the school included David Byrne and Dan Zanes!

That was (clear) satire written by Gawker making fun of Neal. You know, make-believe.

Posted by: matt tobey at June 27, 2007 4:32 PM

Parenting brings moments of unbelievable joy and unimaginable confusion. For what it's worth this is what I have learned: Do the best you can.

Do not try to relive your life through your children. Help them to become the best person that they can be. Be a parent; you are not their friend. Children like boundaries. They feel safe knowing that someone is in charge.

Above all, be consistent. Set limits and enforce them. Discipline demonstrates vividly that you love them.

You will discover very early on that each is an individual with specific tastes and talents that almost surely will not reflect yours.

The best advice I was ever given came from my parents.

My Dad: "You know the rules." (And he made sure we did and we respected them even when we tried mightily to bend, if not break, them.)

My Mom: "My love is unconditional; my approval is highly conditional."

Posted by: rudy at June 27, 2007 5:06 PM

I hate what the word 'alternative' has become some sort of representation of the self through what music you listen to or what tv shows you watch. But I guess since entertainment is churned out for the masses, and the masses use their entertainment as a statement about themselves, then 'alternative' is a way to differentiate yourself from the masses. Just a newer, nicer way of marking a line between good and bad taste in popular culture. So I don't particularly dig on the 'Alternadad' tag.

To be honest, I don't particularly dig on the whole concept of parenting books. I'm not saying you shouldn't read it or that I won't read it, because I might. However, in the UK media there is a backlash against 'the nanny state', ie authors, lifestyle tv people, health organizations and the government constantly bombarding parents with ideas about how to raise your children, without encouraging parents to consult their own instincts. Can we not do anything for ourselves anymore? Do we need to be instructed and guided in one the most fundamentally animal and instinctual experiences: rearing our young.

I want to be a father and retain my sense of self, I want to raise kids who aren't shallow assholes with really bad taste. However, put the emphasis on not conforming to the taste of the masses and you could end up with a shallow asshole who appreciates nothing and no one that is not 'alternative'.

I'm rambling but my point is, what does any of pop culture, be it alternative or on mtv, have to do will raising a person. What's more important, their morals and principles, or their taste?

Posted by: Jamieson at June 27, 2007 8:07 PM

"how to maintain your own sense of self when raising a child becomes an all-consuming experience"

That concept will probably be the main reason I'll check this one out. I am seriously poorly equipped financially and have done the stay at home thing for 4 years now (!!!) It has been the hardest and most valuable work I've ever invested myself in. I've taught my boy to read at 3, and he is an artistic dancer and engineering enthusiast. My 16 month old knows her abc's and can count to 15 and will stand her ground 'till you cave or walk away...all very heady and prideful stuff.

On the flip side, though, my boy has completed Crash Bandicoot Tag Racing 6 times, Loco Roco about 20 times and told me how to play poker from playing Mario Brothers mini-games. He googled 'hot wheels' and pestered me to register him for premium content. My wee daughter knows the theme song to Dora the Explorer. She has yet to make a full sentence. A bit sick, I know, but to be a full time entertainer, teacher, counselor, maid, and all-purpose lifter of stuff is exhausting in every respect and degree. Sometimes sanity becomes worth a few cringes.

The worst, for me, is how lonely my son gets from not having a 'crew' of regular buddies despite having him out half the day, every day. That can be said for pre-school - it teaches socialization (i.e. that mommy isn't a cow but that all of society has rules) and provides continuity and companionship. If I had the money, we'd be there. I've been the main companion for so long that my brain and will-to-play-with-adults has atrophied and also my schtick has become tiresome to their refined palettes.

I'd be more worried about the food stuff if they'd actually eat more than 4 tablespoons at each sitting. Sleeping through a whole night would be nice too.

Dustin, you're in for the best ride of your life! I think that you never know who you are as a person until you are saddled with such a frightening responsibility.

And because I noticed the topic up above, I had both of my kids with no drugs (actually, just a bit of laughing gas, which technically counts). The first birth was a complicated, endless hell. After only 2 days it was over! I'd forgive any first-child birther for admitting she'd maxed out on tolerance and going for the epidural. Me too stubborn. However, the second one was easy! I had midwives and warm compresses and I really enjoyed it. Just remind Mrs. Pajiba-Hyphenate that it doesn't last forever (the pain) and that you truly do forget it so fast! You're too busy being happy to dwell on it.

Posted by: rebeccah at June 28, 2007 3:57 AM

The problem with fructose is that it enters the glycolytic pathway at different places than glucose, and in times of normal blood glucose (which for many Americans is almost always)and often is simply stored as fat rather than used more cellular energy. Most high fructose corn syrup sold in the US is only 50% fructose and 50% sucrose, pure high fructose CS is too expensive. So you can't really attribute weight gain to JUST HFCS...but you can to overconsumption of calories. Many of which come from sodas, juices etc...Fruit juice still contains fructose and calories, but at least it has vitamins and possibly soluble fiber!
I read this book...I got a kick out of some of the things the author and his wife worried about, like organic food, yet he still managed to get high regularly. I agree with a comment above,if you name your book Alternadad, what do you expect to be called?

Posted by: k8uiuc at June 28, 2007 12:36 PM

To me alternative just means a little different a little outside the norm. When used to describe people. To me it does not mean cool, or hip, or even what music you like, just that you are a bit different.

I also don't think you should be getting high when you have children, that part of your life is over, at least to me it should be, drugs and kids shouldn't go together.

And I hope I didn't come across as only caring what type of music my children listen to. That's asinine. I want them to be good well rounded people. Able to make decisions of what they like for themselves, to be compassionate and able to stand up for their own beliefs. Ethics are very important to me, I hope they have good personal ethics. I do not care what they like, only that they came to that but their own brains not because the media and consumerism told them this is now cool or hot or whatever.


ok rambling:)

Posted by: lea at June 28, 2007 5:20 PM

Words and stuff! Neal keeps it real!

Posted by: Zeezy at June 28, 2007 5:42 PM

Target vs Wal-Mart:

Target HQ is in my hometown also and they have a 50 year plus history of community involvement and enrichemnt. They donated hundreds of acres of land which the city turned into public parks back in the 50's.

A former colleague of mine had panic attacks in Wal-Mart. The store is one giant seizure. They should provide EEG's on-site.

And to the folks who diss the parental crusade for quality pre-school...WTF?!? The children of working parents need child care. Working parents need to have confidence in the child care they choose for their children. Yes, we shopped around when I was in my second trimester and got on a list. Of the three of us at my office whose children were born within the same 6 months, I was the only one who did thorough research. And I was the only one who didn't have to pull my baby from unsatisfactory child care settings within months of returning to work. Imagine the panic these families went through! You've just burned through all your paid time off on maternity leave and now you're marooned with a baby at home or send them back to Sketchy-Teachers-R-Us.

Competitive Childrearing (to borrow a Bridget Jones phrase) is frought with bat sh*t crazy priorities. Quality child care is not one of them. Mock us for that padded seat we put in the shopping cart, excessive spending on baby bath products worthy of a day spa, $30 jeans from BabyGap that will be vomitted/sharted/drooled on and burp rags that match mommy's outfits. But lay off the primal need to ensure that your child is receiving quality care in your absence.

Posted by: louise at July 1, 2007 11:16 PM

Walmart treats their employees like crap. Target treats them like people.

Posted by: jen at July 3, 2007 3:20 PM

Louise, I hear you. I put my little peanut on a waiting list for a place down the street during my second trimester, as well (incredibly, doesn't look like she's getting in!). I think the issue some people have with the pre-school thing is the definition of "quality" that some urbanites have - I'm thinking specifically of the tedious Park Slope set that this guy represents. Much of the hysteria (and some of it is hysteria) about pre-school has little to do with safety, etc. and more to do with ridiculous extras that justify $25K+ per annum. I'd be very bummed out if my daughter was attending a sketchville pre-school, but I could certainly live if she wasn't learning Mandarin Chinese at the age of two.

Posted by: samantha t at July 5, 2007 6:49 PM

My wife and I are expecting our first child in two months. At the begining of the pregnancy my wife got me Alternadad. It was a great read and really showed me that although our lives would change immensely, the rewards of parenthood are endless.

Posted by: Ben at July 10, 2007 1:32 PM

I just finished this book, and while I don't agree with their reliance on TV to entertain their child, I could relate to just about all their other concerns. We just had our first round of indignation over the way we choose to raise our daughter, from a good friend who couldn't understand our views on the importance of not over using the word "no" with a child. Long story short, it was very frustrating and a little insulting. This book reassured me that it is important to hold on to your child rearing principles, no matter how weird other people may view them.

If banning fast food and soda from my child's body, following the guidelines to not let her watch any TV until she's at least 2 years old, and making it a priority to get her to bed early so she is not sleep deprived make us "alterna" parents, then so be it.

Posted by: katy at July 11, 2007 5:29 PM

As a single teacher working in an inner city school, I can't help but feel a bit sick.

I urge you, please, not only to raise your child but donate or do work for schools for those kids who don't have such wealthy parents. Prove you are the best parent. Care about the generation your child is growing up with.

Posted by: sadness at July 15, 2007 10:13 PM