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Not Enough Muchness

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (75)



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Thematically, Alice in Wonderland is an ideal adaptation for Tim Burton. It allows him to continue his career-long obsession with exploring the squishiness between fact and fiction, imagination and reality. The problem with Alice, and the problem that has plagued so many of the director’s films lately, is that — unlike Beetlejuice or Edward Scissorhand — it’s not the imagination of Tim Burton. It’s a recreation of someone else’s imagination.

As far as recreations go, you could hardly ask for more than what Burton brings: Alice in Wonderland is Lewis Carroll’s mind come to life. There are a few Burton gothic flourishes, obviously, but this is Carroll’s Wonderland, only a little more grotesque and a little less surreal. It’s magnificent to look at. It is all those storybook illustrations come to demented life and given the perfect voices. It’s a marvel to gaze upon, and though it’s obviously not on the scale of Avatar, the distinctive lush colors and eye-dazzling visuals are more fun to inhabit, all the more because you feel at home with the characters, even if there is a certain detached familiarity.

But, Burton’s Alice in Wonderland is very much akin to visiting the Mayflower that’s now docked in Boston. For $15 a piece, you and your family can walk around a boat that looks every bit like the ship that carried 130 some-odd Pilgrims from England to Massachusetts back in the 17th century. But no matter how faithful it is to the original, and despite the fact that no detail is spared, it’s hard to get over the feeling that you’re walking around in a replica. It doesn’t evoke any of that wonder; you get no sense of the hardship or the disease that those English Separatist felts on their 66-day journey. It’s a giant elaborate money-making toy: Cool to look at, but it’s got no soul.

That’s Tim Burton’s Alice in Wonderland: Pretty on the outside, but soulless on the inside. Like Ann Coulter, if Anne Coulter was pretty on the outside.

In this sequel to Caroll’s fairy tale, a 19-year-old Alice (Mia Wasikowska) — who has just been proposed to by a man she doesn’t love, and who was arranged by her family to be her husband — spots a rabbit in the bushes and takes after it before she can offer an answer to the proposal. The rabbit, of course, leads her down the hole, returning her to a Wonderland that she’s all but forgotten — it’s less a distant memory, and more an ever-present dream that she’d never allowed herself to believe in the interim.

There, after some growing and shrinking difficulties, she’s greeted by the Tweedles — Dee and Dum — and her identity as the “real” Alice is immediately questioned. The Blue Caterpillar (Alan Rickman) also shows her an oracle, which reveals that she is to face off against the Jabberwocky to save the Wonderland Kingdom from the Red Queen (Helena Bonham Carter) and return it to its rightful owner, The White Queen (Anne Hathaway). In a state of disbelief, Alice wonders around until she finds the Mad Hatter (Johnny Depp), still awaiting her arrival at a tea party, and still frog-shit crazy.

This time around, the Hatter figures heavily into the storyline — he is kidnapped by the Red Queen and her loyal henchman, Stayne (Crispin Glover). Alice decides to embark on a mission to work her way into the evil Red Queen’s kingdom, rescue the Hatter, steal an enchanted sword, and reluctantly fulfill her destiny, all the while wondering when she’ll awake from her Wonderland dream.

There’s no arguing with the splendid and fantastical world that Burton has created — it’s hard to imagine anyone other than Burton doing justice to Wonderland. It’s a well-cast movie, too — Mia Wasikowska has the feel of a young Clare Danes; Burton may overuse his wife, Bonham-Carter, but she’s excellent in this role, over-sized head and all; Hathaway does a fine job as the nice queen with something of a bitchy backbite; and Johnny Depp is good as the Hatter, though his character is not too far removed from Jack Sparrow in a different outfit. I’d have liked to seen the Hatter a little less restrained and more unhinged — Micheal Keaton, in his prime, would’ve served the character better. He might have also been a little too intense for what is supposed to a family movie.

But it’s hard to get over the notion that Burton’s Alice in Wonderland is less a re-imagining than a very faithful cover song. The lyrics have changed quite dramatically, of course, but in “American Idol” parlance, Burton doesn’t make it his own. He’s borrowing someone else’s ideas and recreating them. Consequently, Alice feels detached in a way that a concept would if the person executing it didn’t have a sense of ownership over it. It’s fabulous to look at, but there’s not a lot of joy in watching it. Alice is less frabjous, and more just frab.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. He is forced to run obnoxious ads in order to remain so. If you would like to point out a spelling, factual, or grammatical error, please have the courtesy to email him. Otherwise, comments are very welcome below.









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Comments

Expected this to be meh, so I'm not terribly surprised as most of Burton's "big" films these days seem saddled to a (very) 90s style checklist of Burton-isms that he needs to get away from.

Depp? Check.
Elfman? Check.
Hot Topic style? Check.

Oddly enough, the times that I really love what Burton does seem to be exactly the times that the crowds dont show up. Ed Wood, Big Fish, Sweeney Todd.

So maybe it's the idiotic public's fault. They are gonna turn up at this thing in droves.

Posted by: renaldo at March 5, 2010 3:27 PM

A fine review, Mr. Rowles.

I'm still undecided if I want to see this movie. Burton is a bit stale for me since Big Fish. Depp seems to be capable of only 2 characters now: Jack Sparrow and Willy Wonka. I liked neither.

The visuals look fantastic and, well, Rickman is in it so, yeah it's on my maybe list.

Posted by: monkeyhateclean at March 5, 2010 3:27 PM

she is to face off against the Jabberwocky to save the Wonderland Kingdom

She's gotta battle the Jabberwockyz? Is this Step Up 3 or something?

Posted by: Fredo at March 5, 2010 3:47 PM

I believe you mean Ann Coulter, unless there happens to be another lying sack of shit with nearly the same name.

Posted by: malta at March 5, 2010 4:09 PM

I just don't like Johnny Depp's "mad" characters. Sparrow/Sweeney not included, they always seem mousy and very yorkshire-terrier like. He either goes off or he just goes on some kind of Edward Scissorhands riff, and the latter just doesnt work for me.

Just watching the trailer, there wasn't any bombast or physical presence to the Mad Hatter that had me interested.

I don't want to make the obvious Joker reference, but even from the TDK trailer you can just feel something palpable coming from the character. There's just something more to even half-assed Hannibal Lecter, or Brad Pitt when he goes flying off (Fight Club/12 Monkeys) and lots of other examples.

Now I might be wrong and he might be better than I make him out to be, but if you're gonna rope me in you gotta show me something better in the trailer. Mrs. Burton however, looked deliciously camp.

Posted by: D-Day at March 5, 2010 4:28 PM

I got so irritated at the NYT review because they absolutely LAUDED Helena Bonham Carter's performance saying it was such a GENIUS take on the character and how CLEVER she was to tap into the childishness of the character when, and I griped about this before on Pajiba I know, she's absolutely mimicking Miranda Richardson's awesome Queenie from Blackadder. A not unknown role or performance.

It would be fine if people said something like, "Bonham Carter, channelling Miranda Richardson's Queen Elizabeth, blah blah blah" but I've yet to see that and it makes me stamp my foot. My proverbial typing foot. So my hands really.

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 5, 2010 4:42 PM

p.s. In regards to reading another review, Pajiba, honey, it was just that one time and it didn't mean anything. I mean it was just lying there, begging for it. I was WEAK! I'm sorry! Do you like diamonds?

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 5, 2010 4:43 PM

I never much liked Tim Burton the story-teller. I love his films because of how adequately he can make me see what's in his head (key word being see). I will be part of the "droves" because the only thing I ever expect from him is resplendence and from what I hear he's delivered that much.

Posted by: ThunderSacTriumph at March 5, 2010 4:47 PM

I have higher priorities this weekend. That French film A Prophet sounds like mandatory viewing, and I want to finally track down Hurt Locker, lest this be the first Oscars in many years for which I haven't seen the Best Picture prior to the ceremony.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 5, 2010 4:50 PM

Also, JD's Mad Hatter is what North (Elijah Wood) would look like if he chose clown parents.

Posted by: ThunderSacTriumph at March 5, 2010 4:55 PM

She's gotta battle the Jabberwockyz? Is this Step Up 3 or something?

I'm gunA fyt d Jabberwocky n kik its (_!_)

n d mome raths 2!

Posted by: mswas at March 5, 2010 4:57 PM

dat froomeyous Bandhersnatch bst wutch h3r bAk

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 5, 2010 5:10 PM

It is no wonder that Burton continues to fail us in reaching an emotional resonance. His stories are hand-made to be unrelatable. Wonderland (as well as Wonka's Chocolate Factory) are fantastic places, and you're a victim of the fantastic people they contain. But none of them are REAL (deliberately so) so you don't feel any emotional connection to the characters or story. At best, you feel like Alice (or Charlie): lost and confused, but delightfully marvelled.

He's easily one of the best filmmakers out there if you're looking for imagination, style, tone and setting. But if you're looking to find an emotional core somewhere, he's not the guy you go to. He CAN (i.e. Big Fish), but it doesn't seem to interest him.

And y'know, both Tim Burton and I seem to be cool with that. He has no delusions about who he is and where he fits in the zeitgeist. He is hungry to bring his imagination to life, to film his "cover song" as you said; and nothing more.

Posted by: superasente at March 5, 2010 5:11 PM

By the way, for your trivial enjoyment:

Christopher Walken's loan-out company is called Gyre & Gimble, Ltd.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 5, 2010 5:12 PM

Now I'm hearing the Jabberwocky poem in my head as read by Christopher Walken. And it's AWESOME.

Did GYRE and GIMble in the WABE. All MIMSY were the BORogroves, and the MOME raths out GRABE.

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 5, 2010 5:17 PM

Walken has a loan-out company? Like a payday loan place? Can you imagine not paying that man back? And the creepy speech after you default?

"I'm sorry, I'm going to have to take your leg and speak to you in this creepy voice for a few hours. You understand."

Posted by: TWoP_Fan at March 5, 2010 5:30 PM

I'm obsessed with Jabberwocky. So much so that to prevent Tim Burton from beating me to another grand theme for Halloween (previously beaten to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Sweeney Todd), I did my yard haunt themed after the poem this past Halloween. Other than the torrential downpours and the creature finally succumbing to the elements a little past 10PM, it was a resounding success.

I can't wait to see Burton's Jabberwocky look nothing like I expected the creature to in eye popping 3-D. Then, only then, can I say I'm proud of my last minute switch to a theme I hadn't fully developed.

Aping someone else or not, I'll probably love HBC in this. It's just how I roll.

Posted by: Robert at March 5, 2010 6:00 PM

Walken: "You're paying me back all wrong. It's the wrong pace. You do it to me again...I'll burn out your eyes with a soldering iron."

Posted by: Name: at March 5, 2010 6:08 PM

coveredinbees, at least one critic got it: http://www.theage.com.au/news/entertainment/film/film-reviews/alice-in-wonderland/2010/03/03/1267291899452.html

Burton's later work is has been heavy on style but light on passion. Might see it if there's nothing else on- or maybe I'll just watch Sleepy Hollow instead.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at March 5, 2010 6:12 PM

"But no matter how faithful it is to the original, and despite the fact that no detail is spared, it’s hard to get over the feeling that you’re walking around in a replica. It doesn’t evoke any of that wonder; you get no sense of the hardship or the disease that those English Separatist felts [sic] on their 66-day journey."

Yeah, if I don't come away from a historical tour with at least a raging case of the scurvy, I demand my money back.

Posted by: Craig at March 5, 2010 6:25 PM

Although I do very much find the idea of Walken as a creepy loan shark amusing, the "loan-out" company is just Walken's official conduit for payment. Literally, the company is loaning Walken's acting services for production, but the company is one and the same as Walken. The majority of writers, directors, and actors and Hollywood have them for tax purposes.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 5, 2010 7:37 PM

You know who they should have gotten to play the Mad Hatter?

Steve Buscemi.

Posted by: Jelinas at March 5, 2010 7:39 PM


why the gratuitous shot at ann coulter? i agree she is not pretty
but neither is katrina vanden heuvel ... and does she have soul?

Posted by: snake at March 5, 2010 7:59 PM

@ThunderSacTriumph You have perfectly captured everything I love about - and expect from - Tim Burton far more succinctly than I could have. Well done.

Posted by: K at March 5, 2010 8:16 PM

I'm not sure it's possible to make a "gratuitous" shot at Ann Coulter.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 5, 2010 8:17 PM

This is a Pajiba handjob.


Save your money folks, DO NOT BE FOOLED, I post this from a bunker deep inside the Appalachian countryside.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 5, 2010 8:19 PM

i can always count on burton for a gorgeous work of cinematic art. and this film delivers in spades!! i'm there for the visual experience and hope that the actors or script isn't so annoying it takes away from that experience. not only was there nothing annoying about it, i really enjoyed myself, as did my 6 year old.

Posted by: maxpurr9 at March 5, 2010 8:30 PM

Walken's getting rave reivews on Broadway right now, coincidentally (?) as a guy who's hand was taken.

Nice review Dustin - the movie sounds as expected, and it's just one of those I'll have to see for the visuals and performances. Soul sold separately.

Posted by: Cindy at March 5, 2010 8:42 PM

BSlim, what are you doing up there with the lost tribes of cannibal hillbillies?

Oops, sorry, the Lost Tribes of Cannibal Hillbillies won't be seen until after the Zombie Apocalypse.

DarthCorleone, there is one gratuitous shot to make regarding La Coulter. It's called The Donkey Punch - and no, I ain't the one to do it, neither.

Posted by: The Wanderer at March 5, 2010 9:05 PM

I'm no longer in Appalachia, shit's gonna happen, soon, shit's gonna get REAL, I thought it wasn't but it will.

You gonna squeal like a pig boy...

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 5, 2010 10:10 PM

why the gratuitous shot at ann coulter? i agree she is not pretty
but neither is katrina vanden heuvel ... and does she have soul?

Posted by: snake


This is par for the course here Snake. While I am a conservative, she is my least favorite on this side of the fence and I have little use for her.

But I do not come here for the politics, I am here for the Pop Culture world that is Pajiba, and as usual, fantastic review Dustin. How many days to IM2?

Posted by: richmac at March 5, 2010 10:48 PM

"He left it dead, and with its head went gallumping away" This line from the Jaberwocky poem pretty much sums up the entire feel I got from Alice in Wonderland. Sure, its pretty and has a ton of actors in it, but Burton is taking a hollow film and playing with it instead of letting it lie down in peace. It's not bad or totally worthless, but it just isn't very memorable to say the least.

Posted by: Kamikaze Feminist at March 5, 2010 11:11 PM

It was good. It wasn't great or epic. I've walked out of films saying 'Wow!' and nothing else for an hour. This one, I said, 'That was good.' My husband said it was better than he thought it would be. It needed more muchness indeed.

Posted by: TWoP_Fan at March 6, 2010 12:12 AM

As I said on twitter and will echo here:

How much does Johnny Depp get paid to phone in these roles?

Posted by: michaelceratops at March 6, 2010 2:58 AM

I've never been a big Burton fan ... I enjoyed his Batman films (yes, even Returns ... an army of killer penguins is always awesome) and I really like Big Fish ... but that's about it. I can appreciate his style and realize that artists tend to revisit themes they've explored in previous works, but I can only take so much of the pop-goth vibe he brings to his films. that said, I was sort-of looking forward for this because I had a small hope that this would be a bit more Big Fish than Edward Scissorhands ... turns out it's neither so I'm not sure what to make of it now ...

also, I disagree that Burton is the only one who could do justice to Carroll's vision ... give David Lynch enough happy pills, and I bet he could do one better (definitely edgier than anything Burton will ever come up with) ... and I'm willing to bet that Guillermo del Toro and Alfonso Cuarón could create something equally impressive

Posted by: lelnguye at March 6, 2010 3:16 AM

Maybe I didn't go into this with the proper Alice in Wonderland expectations, but I thought it was a really excellent movie. Not Oscar worthy, perhaps, but somehow I don't get the feeling that is the goal toward which Burton ever aims. He makes movies for entertainment, for fun, to explore imagination and possibilities, and here I think he completely succeeded. I loved spending two hours with Alice and company, and don't really see what it did or failed to do to earn such a barb-filled review.
Also: you compared this movie to Ann Coulter?
Good day to you, sir.
I said good day!

Posted by: BiblioGeek at March 6, 2010 5:09 AM

May I just say that the theme song is sung by Avril Lavigne.
I don't really know where we can go from there...

Posted by: Squeeziee at March 6, 2010 6:43 AM

A lot of times there is a great movie that is just as good on a TV as on the big screen. But sometimes there is an okay movie that if you are going to watch, you should watch in a theater. I am going to the theater for this one.

also, "Like Ann Coulter, if Anne Coulter was pretty on the outside", typical. Can't attack someones arguements so attack the person.

Posted by: EricD at March 6, 2010 7:25 AM


to richmac :

i don't have much use for coulter either but it just seemed that
the reference in a review of " alice in wonderland " was misplaced.

Posted by: snake at March 6, 2010 9:00 AM

You summed it up perfectly! I was trying to explain to my friends afterwards and couldn't, you're right, not enough muchness! I thought the most interesting parts weren't touched on, seeing as Burton is so good at dark and gothic stories I wish the film had been more about the Red Queens take-over, as seen briefly in the flashback.

Posted by: Ana at March 6, 2010 10:10 AM

Okay Pajibans, I have an inquiry.

Why is it okay for Tim Burton to make an empty movie solely for eye candy and action, but when it's Transformers, it's everything that's wrong with the industry today and we should shun all those who saw it (for the record, I didn't, so I'm not coming at it from a position of "OMG don't attack Transformers now you guys!" I just really don't understand the difference here)?

Genuine query. What's the difference, exactly? If all Alice has going for it is the visuals, and all Transformers has going for it is the visuals...?

Posted by: Nat Kittyface at March 6, 2010 10:12 AM

Oh, lelnguye, now you've gotten me all excited. Guillermo Del Toro would make an amazing Alice in Wonderland. It would be dreamy and delicious, but dark at the same time. I just want to see someone add new life to the old story, not some sort of Narnia-esque battle between good and evil etc.

Burton always kind of pisses me off. I feel so strongly about him (ie...hate him) because I can feel his vision so strongly. I can see where he's going, and it resonates with me, but then he takes it all too damn far. He has no sense of subtlety. Well, he used to and then he lost it. The last 6 or so movies have been brilliant with an extra armload of camp/faux gore/pop-goth (as someone else said) shit that wasn't needed. Such as Sweeney Todd. I would have loved that movie, except for the horrible, trashy blood fountains. You have to give it that campy, horror feel the whole way through or not at all.

Plus, every time I see him, I want to give him a nice shave, comb his hair, break his glasses and give him a hug. God.

Posted by: Biscuit at March 6, 2010 10:14 AM

He chortled in his joy.

Posted by: , at March 6, 2010 12:02 PM

Now I'm even less interested in watching this.

I don't know why it's taken people so long to realize that Burton's movies all look, sound, feel exactly the same. He came up with this visual idea about 30 years ago (OOH LET'S TAKE A TREE AND MAKE IT LOOK SPOOKY! NOW TWIST EVERYTHING! MAKE IT GOTH COLORS) and he's been dragging it out in everything he's done since.

And Johnny Depp? Every Burton movie he does, it's the same character, only wearing different (CLOWN) makeup and a funny hat. Just stop it already. I know you're better than that.

Posted by: figgy at March 6, 2010 1:02 PM

Nat: to me, Transformers didn't HAVE visuals. You couldn't tell what the fuck was going on, ever, so I don't know what you're talking about. It wasn't about visuals at all, it was about things going BOOM and looking very confusing. Burton, even though I'm completely sick of his style, makes everything about the visuals, so that every single detail is bizarre and makes you want to keep looking. Transformers is about confusing the hell out of your eyeballs, and getting you excited about things moving really quickly and exciting music. I don't think anyone goes to watch Transformers for how pretty or cool everything looks. Because you can't see anything clearly.

Posted by: figgy at March 6, 2010 1:10 PM

Easy, snake/richmac/EricD, Lefties are just mad because they have to keep pretending Hillary, Nancy and ... yeah, I'll go there ... Ruth Bader Ginsberg are hot. Coulter isn't beautiful (and for that matter, neither is Palin), but she's young(ish) and blonde, and while the Left may have locked up most of the Hollywood chicks, they don't have anyone (I don't think) who is actually IN politics who is even in the same city, much less the ballpark. They badly wanted Caroline Kennedy to fill that role, but, you know, we, you know, see how that, you know, turned out.

Posted by: , at March 6, 2010 1:52 PM

saw it and loved it. was going to see avatar but i picked this instead.

Posted by: Utah Dynamo at March 6, 2010 2:30 PM

how many of you know Lewis Carrol was a member of the Freemasons club.

Posted by: Utah Dynamo at March 6, 2010 2:31 PM

"how many of you know Lewis Carrol was a member of the Freemasons club."

I hear they rig every Oscar night...oh, wait, never mind.

I saw the movie today and really liked it (except for Avril Lavigne screeching over the credits).

Posted by: Patti at March 6, 2010 2:39 PM

What did anyone who's seen it think of Anne Hathaway? I felt she gave the weakest performance. I saw stilted mannerisms that were trying to convey lightness, but I felt that it was a shallow performance, that there was no depth to the white queen. Give me Carol Channing any day.

One thing this movie did well is make me want to re-read the books.

Posted by: TWoP_Fan at March 6, 2010 2:52 PM

Jaaaaaaaaaaam tomorrow, jaaaaam yestahday, but nevah evah jaaayum todaaaaaay.

TWoP_Fan, that embarrassing Carol Channing impersonation was for you.

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 6, 2010 4:17 PM

Well, I was disappointed. I really didn't expect to hate Johnny Depp's Mad Hatter, but I did not like him one bit. He was alternately playing lisping fairy or Braveheart-Lite, and while I get that was completely intentional, it just didn't work very well.

Some of the art was really well done (loved the Red Queen's frogs) and some of it was just jarring. Not sure what Burton was getting at with the White Queen.

The five teenagers I took all enjoyed it, however.

Posted by: Wednesday at March 6, 2010 6:33 PM

Did you all forget that this is, before a Burton film, a Disney film? One thing I feel everyone has overlooked is that this is not a purely Tim Burton creation. Yes, I partially agree with Dustin, but I randomly had the chance to see this film twice yesterday and enjoyed it immensely both times. I felt that Disney had a bit too much to say in this film, because I think if Burton had done this on his own it would have been even darker. Sweeney Todd is one of my favorite Tim Burton creations and I think in all honesty Alice could have benefited from a bit of gore and some more graphic violence. All of which Burton would provide on his own, were it not for the whole Disney thing.

I never really "got" Johnny Depp until Sweeney Todd, and now I will watch anything he does. HBC is an idol of mine and she was wonderful, and I worship Anne Hathaway. That bitch is fierce!!!!

If I may venture to say so, Mr. Dustin, I feel that "not enough muchness" is actually "too much Disney."

Posted by: Jessica at March 6, 2010 6:48 PM

Battle for the throne of Wonderland? Sounds like that children's novel by Frank Beddor, The Looking Glass Wars.

Posted by: Four Eyes at March 6, 2010 9:14 PM

@ Utah Dynamo: "how many of you know Lewis Carrol was a member of the Freemasons club."

Hopefully no one knows that, because it's not true.

Posted by: Mike Bevel at March 6, 2010 9:44 PM

its the tim burton we've all come to expect-throw in johnny depp,promise of some dazzling visuals,his wife-I don't like how prepackaged his offerings seem. Maybe just once he could cast someone who isn't a "People's Choice" and be a bit more Tarantino about his style and method.

Posted by: unevan at March 7, 2010 12:19 AM

@ Jessica really? because from what i have heard it is plenty dark (i hear from a reviewer we see severed heads floating in the stream) and considering the darkness of the 3 pirates of the carribbean (i mean, hanging all those people and all) it may not have been as dark as you would expect from Burton but it sounds like Disney did give him more freedom than you think.

Posted by: Amy at March 7, 2010 1:14 AM

Utah Dynamo: "how many of you know Lewis Carrol was a member of the Freemasons club."

Mike Bevel: Hopefully no one knows that, because it's not true.

Oh, Mike, people know all sorts of things that aren't true. Just ask some of Ann 'Devil in a Blue Dress' Coulter or Glen 'Why Don't You Go Fall Down a Hole' Beck's fans. They think they're both sane, informed, and have the public's best interests at heart. And while I am a fan of believing in six impossible things before breakfast, ridiculous and damaging delusions just aren't my cup of tea.
Ok, ok, I'm sorry. I'm sorry! I won't do it again! Please don't throw me in the Pajiba basement of exile.

Posted by: BiblioGeek at March 7, 2010 1:48 AM

TWoP_Fan,
I generally like Anne Hathaway but I'm not sure how I felt about her performance - I just didn't get the impression that her character was particularly good - it seemed like she may have been an improvement over the Red Queen but I also felt she was much more evil and plotting than her reputation would have had her be - now I can't tell if that was because of Anne Hathaway not doing the character justice, making her more sinister on purpose or me reading way too much into it. But I didn't particularly care for the character. I can't remember the cartoon movie and have never read the actual story so I'm not sure what the character is supposed to be like.

Posted by: Jen K. at March 7, 2010 2:21 AM

@Amy, there was one severed head in the moat, yes. The rest (spoiler?) were all statues. Sufficiently creepy, definitely, and I think Disney did give Tim Burton his freedom on a lot of things.

But it was still a PG-rated movie, which is Disney's marketing decision. None of these kids' stories ever actually end like the versions we're told (the Hans Christian Andersen "Little Mermaid" story has Ariel commit suicide at the end, something Disney ain't never gonna show, but something Burton would), and Disney is first and foremost a business that's looking to make money. Therefore it has to be accessible to everyone, and the world is a big place. That's a lot of inoffensiveness to cram into one film. I feel as though Tim Burton isn't about the inoffensiveness but rather the story and telling it according to his twisted take on life. He's more faithful to original and sometimes much darker plots of familiar stories than Disney ever will be. I think TB will always be a director that appeals to a specialized audience (like Christopher Guest who is deeply hilarious but not everyone gets it), and while a lot of people might like his films, that requires the ability to sit through a lot of blood and human failings, and that's a hard thing to do.

Shame about all that Hot Topic shit, though. I know it's about money, but eugh.

Posted by: Jessica at March 7, 2010 11:45 AM

Saw the film today. Loved it. It's not great, but it'll do. The cast is strong, the visuals lovely, and the adaptation very interesting and accurate in off-beat ways. Sure, it stole a few things from The Looking Glass Wars books, but that's no big surprise. The fact that the whole film was locked into the language and imagery of "Jabberwocky" did wonders for a very old story.

Ok, maybe they could have not had the Mad Hatter's refrain be "Why is a raven like a writing desk?" There are oh so many glorious poems and riddles and this is the focus? Really? No "How doth the little crocodile?" And the bandersnatch was most certainly not frumious enough.

Posted by: Robert at March 7, 2010 6:37 PM

I had fairly low expectations going into this movie, and I have to say I left pleased. On a whole, far less Burton idiosyncrasies than I had anticipated, and it was well cast and very entertaining. A recurring thought I had was "At least he's not holding down my fond childhood memories of this story and ass raping them, the way he did with Charlie And The Chocolate Factory."

Posted by: Gore Motel at March 7, 2010 7:25 PM

Aside from a couple of his films, I've never been a fan of Burton. Not in the least.

He's a man in love with his own genius/hackery/shit

I've never been able to suspend any sort of disbelief, much less suspend my disdain for half-ass work. Maybe it's because he uses the same well known actors almost every time and it's hard to see Depp as anything more than Depp. Maybe it's because his stories all have the same vibe. That "I got beat up in junior high but look at me now" ego trip.
Or maybe it's because I can see every damn seam and hot glue gun drip on his crap sets that he can't bear to NOT light in trippy blues and reds. Might as well be Lazytown.
Or the mediocre effects strewn like July Mardi Gras beads all over his films. Seriously. Does anyone think Helena's head looks right or does it not look like some kid's cereal commercial effect? Did she just eat some Fruit Gushers?

And a sequel? Might as well rent "Return to Oz". Fail.

Yeah yeah, his fantastic fucking imagination. Time to graduate from film school already.

Posted by: Protoguy at March 7, 2010 7:28 PM

AND WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT MAKE-UP?!

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Posted by: protoguy at March 7, 2010 7:30 PM

man if they let this man near Oz...

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Posted by: Cern at March 8, 2010 8:41 AM

Saw it and loved it. Maybe others are expecting too much from a Disney/PG version of Lewis Carroll. The young woman playing Alice was fantastic.

Mickey

Posted by: Mickey at March 8, 2010 9:04 AM

Johnny could have taken the crazy farther, I felt as though he was restraining...then again, he was only half mad.
It felt like a Disney movie. It did. And I liked it! Then again, TB can do very little wrong in my eyes, the world needs a little more madness.

Posted by: Kelly at March 9, 2010 4:02 PM

Saw it yesterday and enjoyed it. Didn't LOVE it but thoroughly enjoyed it. And want to re-read the books more than ever.

Posted by: Stella at March 15, 2010 12:50 PM

If this movie doesn't have George Jefferson dancing around in a mouse suit, I want no part of it.

Coveredinbees: I almost peed my pants laughing and reminiscing over your Carol Channing impression. Thank you.

Posted by: Ihatedogsandcats at March 17, 2010 5:39 AM

Chiming in late, but my god what a travesty. The story/script were awful and the exact opposite of compelling. Cheshire Cat was done well but that's about it.

Posted by: Mick J at March 22, 2010 6:25 AM

Well I liked it.

Refused to read any review before going into the movie, cause I'm that big of a dweeb. I saw a 3d version of it, and I was very pleased. Upon reflection however, I think I may have been ignoring the plot for the most part and treating it kind of like a ride at disney land. The visuals were jaw dropping and that's all I really wanted out of it. I felt a strong urge to rewind certain parts just to look at the scenery again -- perhaps shall be an excellent film for turning down film's volume and listening to music with?

But having caught up with the conversation here, I had the unfortunate bad luck to run across someone referring to an Alfonso Cuaron or (worse) Guillermo del Torro version of same and I felt that proverbial icy fist closing round my trembling heart.

I suppose there are significant parallels between this film and El Laberinto del Fauno -- enough that perhaps del Torro need not make his alice after all.

In retrospect, I would like the Hatter to hold his own against El Fauno, but I believe that it is clear he does not. Even being such a cultural heavyweight (perhaps because), Burton's Hatter inspires (for me) none of the sense of wonder and dread mixed together in my first encounter with El Fauno.

I also agree that Brad Pitt in Monkeys did crazy waaay better than Depp manages. That guy would have made a great Hatter: intelligent, malevolent, filled with wrong and dangerous ideas. I guess its wrong to hope for something as powerful as Ledger's Joker, but if that's wrong, I don't want to be right. Compared to Depp's own Sparrow or even Todd, his Hatter felt hollow and thin. The film sets the Hatter up as one of the few survivors of a literal holocaust, but the character just doesn't have any emotional weight.

In terms of Burton's back catalog -- a more wacked-out crazy/dangerous version of Jack Skellington maybe (possibly with an army of killer penguins in tow)?

sigh


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