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3:10 to Yuma / Daniel Carlson

Film Reviews | September 9, 2007 | Comments (55)


“It’s about time we had a Western,” said the woman in front of me at the concession stand. She’d turned to ask me which theater 3:10 to Yuma was screening in, so I pointed over my shoulder at the open door, at which point she offered up her opinion about the lack of Westerns in modern cinema. In fact, could there be a more American story than the Western? Character dramas and thrillers are universal, and even something as soaked in Americana as baseball only goes so far, because everybody has sports movies. But a good Western, a chance for two men to square off with guns on a desert plain in some great big unholy shootout, damned to hell and joylessly grinning as they ride off to face destiny — that’s unbeatable. And that’s what director James Mangold brings to 3:10 to Yuma, a violent, sweaty Western that inhabits the genre’s melodramatic hallmarks while also functioning as a modern-day drama about a dysfunctional family. It’s a big, sprawling, believable story, and the plot’s few stumbles are balanced by the scope and skill of the whole thing.

Dan Evans (Christian Bale) is a poor Arizona rancher struggling to keep his cattle alive and his family fed through a miserable drought. He’s in debt to businessman Glen Hollander (Lennie Loftin), who’s dammed the river ahead of Dan’s ranch and is slowly choking him off from the water supply. Hollander even sends men out to burn Dan’s barn as a threat of impending foreclosure (the Old West was less than kind when serving eviction notices). Dan is beat down from the outset, and Bale excels at haggard characters like these. Bale’s performance is in some ways reminiscent of his work as Dieter Dengler in Werner Herzog’s Rescue Dawn: Both men are noble, and true, and doing their best to hold their worlds together with two hands and empty prayers. Dan is out one day with his young boys, Mark (Benjamin Petry) and William (Logan Lerman), trying to round up the herd when they come across actual highway robbery. Ben Wade (Russell Crowe) and his gang are holding up a stagecoach manned by men from the Pinkerton Detective Agency, including Pinkerton bounty hunter Byron McElroy (Peter Fonda), and have hijacked Dan’s herd as a roadblock. Wade spots Dan and his sons and lets them go, but not before Dan is forced to turn over his weapons and horses in a moment of humiliation that further ruins him in the eyes of 14-year-old William. William throws around considerable angst for a kid his age, in part because it’s been 50 years since the original film version of 3:10 to Yuma, but also because the script is a little too eager to set William up as the externalization of Dan’s fear of failure. It’s not enough that he has a family to provide for; that little nagging devil in his ear is given a voice, and a body, and a chip on its shoulder way too big for a boy whose father has done him so little wrong. But that’s the nature of turning an old tale — Elmore Leonard’s original short story was published in 1953, and the movie followed 4 years later — into a new one; there’s a necessary hybrid of old and new, of straight-ahead action and pseudo-psychological introspective exposition. Though based on the original screenplay, the new one was rewritten by Michael Brandt and Derek Haas, who previously teamed on the spectacularly awful 2 Fast 2 Furious and Catch That Kid. It’s a blessing that their presence is blessedly counterbalanced by the remnants of Halsted Welles’ original script. I shudder to think what kind of godforsaken cowboy picture would be unleashed by the team who wrote a movie Vin Diesel passed on.

After Dan and his boys make their way home with the injured Byron, Dan heads for the nearest town, Bisbee, in the hopes of setting his debts to right, though he winds up encountering Wade again at the local hotel and gets the drop on him, leading to Wade’s arrest. Dan is then forced to make the first of what will be many bad, bad choices in the film: Broke, thirsty, and up against the wall, he agrees to help escort Wade to Contention, some 40 miles away, for $200 and the hope of getting out of the hole he’s dug for himself.

The transporting of Wade takes up the bulk of the rest of the film, and that’s what sets it apart from many other Westerns. The drama here largely comes from the battle of wills between Dan and Wade, who hold a grudging respect for each other even as they loathe what the other man stands for. Ben, Byron, the local doctor (Alan Tudyk) and a couple of lawmen set out with Wade for Contention with the goal of putting Wade on the 3:10 train to Yuma, where he’ll be hanged at the prison. It’s a simple plot, almost elegant: Move the man from point A to point B in X amount of time. But that simplicity is the source of the film’s tension, as Dan deals with Wade’s mind games and the entire gang tries to stay one step ahead of Wade’s gang, who want their boss back and would happily slaughter any who stand in their way. And more than a few men, good and bad, do get slaughtered, but the body count is never ridiculous, nor the bloodshed extreme.

There’s a believability about the film that borders on the low-key, even in the multiple shootouts between the posse and Wade’s gang, and a big part of that comes from the central dynamic between Bale and Crowe, who are so perfect in their roles that they at times seem to be in another movie altogether, something dark and weird and Shakespearean, where two men face off against each other not out of need or desire, but out of some twisted sense of fate. Crowe’s Wade is a ruthless killer, but never once loses his composure; hell, he never even gigs his horse or yells at it, just makes soft clucking sounds to guide the animal down the path. His eerie calm grounds the character, making him that much more formidable an opponent for Dan. Bale, meanwhile, brings the right note of desperation to Dan, who’s weary and heavy-laden enough to do anything to save his family. Wade tempts Dan throughout the film with offers of a cash reward if Dan will let the killer go free, and the legitimate conflict between a burdensome right and an easy wrong is played out beautifully on Bale’s face. The rest of the cast is also fantastic, though none as much as Ben Foster, who plays Wade’s second-in-command, Charlie Prince, and whose amazing supporting turn here could finally be the young actor’s breakthrough. After solid work in everything from Liberty Heights to Alpha Dog and “Six Feet Under,” Foster explodes across the screen here as a psychotic gunslinger, all mincing gestures and crazy eyes and cold-hearted murder. Foster more than holds his own when he’s sharing the screen with Crowe and Bale, and carries his own scenes with a confident swagger.

“No one will think less of you” if you let Wade walk away, Dan’s wife, Alice (Gretchen Mol), tells him. He gives a sad grin and says, “No one can think less of me.” Taking Wade to justice is Dan’s chance to finally be recognized not for finally doing the right thing, but for doing the right thing all along. He’s not a warlike man, but he’s willing to become one if that’s what it takes to do his duty and save his family. Mangold’s tightly focused film is a good example of the glorious possibilities of mixing a compelling character story with a richly detailed genre setting, as well as the latest in a series of modern Westerns — Unforgiven, The Proposition, “Broken Trail” — that herald a comeback for the field. It’s about time, indeed.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.









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Comments

I was cautiously optimistic about this. I'm happy to hear I may not be disappointed. I'm curious, though, how you thought it compares to the original?

Also, totally irrelevant, but I had no idea Ben Foster was in this. I completely agree; he's terribly underrated and deserves some recognition.

Posted by: Sarina at September 7, 2007 8:36 PM

Daniel,

glad you enjoyed the film.

Posted by: Derek Haas at September 7, 2007 8:41 PM

This is the first movie I have been genuinely excited about in a looooong time. Looks like it will be worth the wait.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at September 7, 2007 8:47 PM

Fine review. You've made me even more excited about this movie, which I didn't think possible.

Thanks. Nice job. Kudos. Bravo. Clap, clap.

Posted by: Alabamapink at September 7, 2007 8:52 PM

Sounds like a modern remake might actually do the original justice.
It's about freakin' time.
Hollywood has just been sad, lately.

Posted by: Rykker at September 7, 2007 8:52 PM

This sounds amazing. Bale, Crowe, Foster and Tudyk...I could wet myself with joy.

Posted by: Brie at September 7, 2007 9:00 PM

Great Review, Dan.

I've also been cautiously optimistic about this film, and I'm glad to see that it delivered. Oh, Doc Potter. Catching it tomorrow night, I believe.

Tonight: Shoot `Em Up

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at September 7, 2007 9:04 PM

I've read some stuff about some possible homophobia associated with the Ben Foster character. You know the typical effeminate villain to make the leads seem more masculine. If anyone has seen the film yet, is there any truth to this, or is it just an overreaction?

Posted by: Piato at September 7, 2007 9:11 PM

Dammit, I am kicking myself for convincing the husband to see this tomorrow instead of tonight! Great review, as always, Dan.

Posted by: Kolby at September 7, 2007 9:12 PM

i was a little shocked to see luke wilson in this..weird that there's absolutely no mention of that in any publicity...granted, it was pretty much a cameo, but still, there was a weird "is that luke wilson? whaaa?" moment that came with it.

Posted by: jim at September 7, 2007 9:27 PM

I'll watch just about anything with Bale, but my respect for Crowe has been waning for years. Glad to know he stepped up in this role.

I remember seeing Ben Foster in an otherwise sucky film with Bruce Willis as the lead. His performance was surprisingly nuanced and creepy despite the stupidity of the plot and otherwise mediocre performances. Liked him ever since.

Posted by: Daphne at September 7, 2007 11:47 PM

why does everyone neglect "Open Range" when mentioning modern westerns that are actually great filmmaking.

this is the second time i've commented about this here.

jeez.

Posted by: ian at September 8, 2007 12:13 AM

Great review....I have been looking forward to this!

Glad that Russell Crowe is doing a legit western -- lest we forget the abomination that was "The Quick and the Dead"?!

I really think Christian Bale can do no wrong. Even "Newsies" kicked serious ass.

Posted by: Finn at September 8, 2007 12:41 AM

This was such a satisfying movie, but did anyone else get the nagging feeling that Russell Crowe was so good in his role mostly because he's probably this much of an asshole in real life?

I mean, this is the man who punched another guy in the face with a phone.

Posted by: Faye at September 8, 2007 1:06 AM

"Even bad men love their mama's"

AWESOME!

Posted by: QT at September 8, 2007 1:11 AM

Just saw it. Loved it. Amazing, I can't really put it into words. It was a little slow halfway through, but really picked up as the relationship between Bale and Crowe developed.

I am just sighing now in relief that it was as good as I expected. It is giving me goosebumps. No one was really a good guy or a bad guy, it was so poetic and beautiful, especially the end.

Everyone should see this movie. Even my friend who doesn't like violence said it was an excellent movie.

Posted by: Rachael at September 8, 2007 1:53 AM

Saw it in a sneak. Some gorgeous moments. Great acting as to be expected from Bale and Crowe. An impressive movie. Is it wrong that I was thinking ... "too bad this isn't the movie where cowboys kiss?"

Great authentic riding by the way.

Posted by: katiekate at September 8, 2007 3:45 AM

Piato, I didn't get any sort of homosexual vibe off of Ben Foster's character. Maybe I'm wrong, but he just seemed like a sociopathic loon to me.

Posted by: canology at September 8, 2007 4:16 AM

katiekate--I feel you on the "cowboys kiss" line. I couldn't help but feel I could write a giant slash story about Ben/Dan.

That aside, I thought it was a beautiful film. The ending was excellent, and slightly unexpected for me, since I refrained from watching the original before I saw this one.

Posted by: bettie bloodshed at September 8, 2007 9:58 AM

OK, saw it! Loved it! I admit I was surprised at the ending, too, though the husband says he knew what was going to happen.

Every little detail in this film, from the forks they used at dinner to the weaponry - so dead on. And the score was amazing - beautiful and scary and haunting. I really, really loved this movie.

And of course, Christian Bale and Russell Crowe were both extraordinary.

Posted by: Kolby at September 8, 2007 3:19 PM

I've read some stuff about some possible homophobia associated with the Ben Foster character. You know the typical effeminate villain to make the leads seem more masculine. If anyone has seen the film yet, is there any truth to this, or is it just an overreaction?

I'd go for overreaction. Ben's character wasn't effeminate at all: he was just fiercely loyal to Wade. I can see how that kind of faithfulness could be misconstrued as sexual love when viewed with modern eyes, I took it to mean he was just 'ride or die' for his boss.

Posted by: ciji at September 8, 2007 6:01 PM

Canology and ciji, thanks, that's what I was hoping. Those sites tend to overreact.

Posted by: Piato at September 8, 2007 6:32 PM

Dang, I saw this with two friends and we all thought it was pretty horrible. I agree that Bale and Crowe are skilled actors..actually, reading this review gives me more appreciation for the acting, which was indeed very interesting and well done. I guess I don't pay as much attention to that stuff when gaping yaws in plot and logic are around every corner. Byron took a bullet to the stomach, couldn't stand, had it yanked out without anesthetic in two seconds, then rock and rolled the rest of the movie? The railroad men worked for the railroad tycoon, yet they didn't follow his orders, necessitating that battle?

And the sense of ethics was retarded and horribly inconsistent, in all characters. It made no sense. Beware of spoilers!

The son laughs mirthfully when Wade said he dynamited a train load of people, then emotionally whines about "there's still some good in you!" later in the movie.

Wade's men do their damndest to save his hide, acting purely loyal, following his "code" of action all throughout, and then as repayment, he guns them all down? He seems to feel that just because he had a life changing experience, he suddenly has the right to judge and execute every one of them. This is not honorable, nor is it explained. I could understand if he told them to get the hell out, he'd kill them if he ever saw them again, or something, but to just kill them in the act of saving him?

And the issue of Dan finally doing something right...he complains that there was no glory or honor his Civil War service, nor in his injury, and yet he gratefully accepts Wade's offer to HELP TAKE HIMSELF TO PRISON, just so Dan can, what, feel like he did something cool and impress his son? Wade could have pwned him at any time; he didn't accomplish jack shit. Wade just took pity on him and let him play the part of hero. Is his son supposed to be proud of this?? This doesn't seem to bother anyone.

And finally, in old school westerns we had some realistic portrayal of gunslinger type reactions. No single person could draw and gun down six people, poised and ready for action, before one of them even gets a shot off. And then wade goes ninja style on the Indians? What the hell was that?

Anyway, that's my mini-review. I'm sure you'll all read it.

Posted by: Ricky at September 8, 2007 8:09 PM

"....And finally, in old school westerns we had some realistic portrayal of gunslinger type reactions. No single person could draw and gun down six people, poised and ready for action, before one of them even gets a shot off...."

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I'm assuming that you are not including Sergio Leone's work under the "old school" moniker.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at September 8, 2007 10:40 PM

First act: Really good.
Second act: Fantastic.
Third act: Jeeezus Christ, what the f**k am I watching? Did they really do that? I'm not familiar with Leonard's original text, but this is ri-goddamn-diculous.

Posted by: Erin at September 9, 2007 1:27 AM

Spoilers ahead as I try and reply to Ricky's problems with the movie.

Byron took a bullet to the stomach, couldn't stand, had it yanked out without anesthetic in two seconds, then rock and rolled the rest of the movie?

Maybe the bullet missed his actual stomach (which would have been a mortal wound back then) and instead just was buried in the muscle. I just assumed that he was a tough old son of a bitch.
The railroad men worked for the railroad tycoon, yet they didn't follow his orders, necessitating that battle?

What railroad men and which battle? I'm not sure what you are talking about here.
The son laughs mirthfully when Wade said he dynamited a train load of people, then emotionally whines about "there's still some good in you!" later in the movie.

I assumed that Wade was exaggerating for humorous effect.
Wade's men do their damndest to save his hide, acting purely loyal, following his "code" of action all throughout, and then as repayment, he guns them all down?
Well, he did yell at his second in command to *not* shoot Dan. I think that he knew that Dan's son would try and avenge his father and get himself killed, so he had to kill Ben Foster's character, and to do that he had to kill the others because it's unlikely they would just stand there and let him do it. Earlier in the film he shot one of his own gang just for fucking up and letting a Pinkerton man take him hostage, so I'm not sure what "code" you are referring to.
No single person could draw and gun down six people, poised and ready for action, before one of them even gets a shot off. And then wade goes ninja style on the Indians? What the hell was that?

If they weren't expecting it, I bet you could kill five men before they could shoot back, if you were quick, as we know Wade is pretty fast.
How is sneaking up on someone in the dark going "ninja style"? He flanked their position in the dark (using their gun flashes as a way to see their location), and then shot two and stabbed the third. That seems pretty believable to me.

As for "letting" Dan play hero, I figured that Wade was doing it to allow Dan's family to get the $1000, since he had developed a grudging respect for Dan during their acquaintance. Wade didn't "want" to kill Dan.

Posted by: canology at September 9, 2007 3:22 AM

The only thing that could make this better would be if Alan Tudyk were playing Steve the Pirate.

Aaarrrr!

Posted by: theFatMan at September 9, 2007 9:54 AM

YaaaaaAARR!

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at September 9, 2007 10:10 AM

Ricky, keep in mind this is a remake of a classic western, so if there are plot holes now there were the same plot holes then.

Posted by: ciji at September 9, 2007 3:31 PM

"as well as the latest in a series of modern Westerns -- Unforgiven, The Proposition, "Broken Trail" -- that herald a comeback for the field"

Umm....Tombstone?

Posted by: Renee at September 9, 2007 5:10 PM

Great review Dan. Loved the movie and will buy it as soon as it comes to HDDVD.

Posted by: Weck at September 9, 2007 5:22 PM

'Move the man from point A to point B in X amount of time."

I always hated word problems. Who wants to see a movie that requires math?

Posted by: Jeremy, but not that Jeremy at September 9, 2007 8:24 PM

Hey canology, thanks for humoring my analysis to such an extent..allow me to respond!

Byron's wound was debilitating one moment, forgotten the next. It just stretched the limits of believability for me.

As for the son, he seemed to appreciate Wade's depravity, at least to me, then cry about his goodness later. His actions were just all over the board.

I was talking about the railroad men that were torturing Wade...how closely did you watch this movie anyway? Also I was talking about Foster killing their "posse" in the statement about reaction times. They WERE expecting it, their hands were twitching at their holsters, which was my point. He draws both guns, shoots the one guy with both, crosses arms and shoots two others, then fires twice more (I think), without any reaction whatsoever. Lame!

Haha the scene were Wade, still in handcuffs, dominates three Indian warriors was simply very reminiscent of..ninja style, with the dexterous movements, camera cuts and slashing sounds, while the victims gape bewildered. Again, those chosen in this movie to die seem to have a very limited skill set relative to the protagonists. Where's good ole "Angel Eyes" when you need him?

Your interpretation of Wade killing his crew is valid, I guess, it just doesn't feel right to me. The "code" would be..follow the rules, I'm in charge, loyal to the gang, I presume. It seemed more an emotional decision to kill them, rather than a logical one based on circumstance like you say. That's why Wade walked up to Prince, looked him coldly in the eye, put his gun to his heart and squeezed; Prince was already wounded badly, that was unnecessary except for moral satisfaction. So if he's suddenly ethical and seeing that they are evil, he should surely also see that he is a member of that same evil and has no right to judge and punish them, at least not now. Anyway, I'm ok with disagreeing on these issues..I realize many see the movie differently than I.

Posted by: Ricky at September 9, 2007 11:07 PM

I think McElroy's wound wasn't forgotten, but the man felt he had a job to do and was going to do it no matter what. He wasn't about to lay in a bed while everyone else got to bring Wade in. Remember that this was a time when men were supposed to be, well, manly - a little bullet hole in the belly ain't gonna stop an old gunslinger...y'know?

Posted by: Kolby at September 10, 2007 9:48 AM

I thought the movie was fantastic. I also didn't find the son's actions inconsistent or overwrought. He's a 14 year old boy who is embarassed by his father & who has romanticized the life of the outlaw before even meeting Bed Wade. He believes his father to be weak and therefore is more than willing to look elsewhere for a role model. Ben Wade is confident, charming & free. However, as Dan says, William has already started down a path of being a good man so William wants to believe his new hero to be good. It doesn't enter his head that all of Ben's actions are based in his own selfishness and desire for self preservation. I think that it wasn't until Ben showed Dan some respect that William started to notice there was more to his father than he'd originally realized. My underlying point is that William is 14, which makes him both impressionable and fickle.

Posted by: Smello at September 10, 2007 11:16 AM

In response to some above comments regarding homophobia and the like:

I think the reason why some people would think that Ben Foster's character was effeminate was because he was a snappy dresser with the fancy clothes. I mean, I can see it but I've also got my slash goggles on and that interpretation would make me happy.

Anyway, Russell Crowe doesn't need anyone to make him look manly. (Yes he's an asshole but he's a good actor and he's hot so unless I start work as a concierge I don't really care.)

I think what really made this enjoyable was realizing and spotting all the supporting actors; I hadn't heard about anyone else except Crowe and Bale. Hey, it's Ben Foster! Is that Peter Fonda? Alan Tudyk! Luke Wilson? The gay guy from A Home at the End of the World!!

Posted by: Christ...in at September 10, 2007 12:18 PM

Christian Bale is a great actor, and can play these roles with ease. My boyfriend loves Westerns and probably will make me see this one. Sounds pretty good though...

Posted by: paris herpes at September 10, 2007 3:53 PM

saw it. loved it. i heart ben foster.

that being said, whoever mentioned up there that the riding was "realistic" is off their rocker. that was my one little tiny bone of contention (contention, he.he.) in regards to the film. i heard tell of these young men attending "cowboy camp" to improve their skills, but what jackass at this alleged camp taught them to post in western tack?

that is all. also, never really liked russell crowe, and kind of loved him in this.

Posted by: Sarah at September 10, 2007 11:55 PM

I wouldn't be so fast to blame Elmore Leonard for the excesses/holes.

Haven't read this particular story, but his westerns are notable for their grit, restraint, and being way, way ahead of their time -- see "The Tonto Woman" and many others. EL has a very fair claim to being the US's best writer.

Okay, except for the last couple books (although I'll go the the mat for Pagan Babies.) But give the man a break -- he's about 80.

Posted by: Janis at September 11, 2007 4:35 AM

Is there a book of Leonard's short stories that contains the story this was based on?

Posted by: Brian at September 11, 2007 2:06 PM

I hope I'm correct in this, but isn't the title a reference to some dialog from NFL films? If so, that might be the coolest thing you've ever written, Mr. Carlson. And I'm glad I was here to catch it.

Posted by: Indiebass at September 11, 2007 2:16 PM

Brian: I believe the story is available in several Elmore Leonard collections, including this one.

Indiebass: The headline is actually from verse by Hamlin Garland, which was subsequently adapted into song and has been sung by men's choruses for decades. I know; this is probably the most disappointing answer you could have hoped for, and certainly not the NFL Films reference you'd expected. Sorry.

Posted by: Daniel Carlson at September 11, 2007 3:08 PM

Saw this last night and loved it. You're absolutely right about Ben Foster - he stole every scene he was in. I can't believe the guy from Get Over It turned into such a good actor.

Posted by: Johnny at September 13, 2007 10:53 AM

"I've read some stuff about some possible homophobia associated with the Ben Foster character."

I saw the film yesterday and did not feel that Charlie was in any way homophobic. I cannot see
even where that could have surfaced in the film given the storyline.
If anything he seemed to be a sociopathic in personality...totally devoid of anything but an obsessive need to carry out each and every order, indirect or direct, of 'the boss'...........and kill anybody or anything that gets in his way.
I think Foster deserves an Oscar nod for supporting. He certainly is in third position in the film and holds his own with Crowe and Bale.

Posted by: Rosalee at September 15, 2007 2:47 AM

I just saw this movie last night and was so terribly pleased. Sad that it takes a remake to make a good movie these days, but the overwhelming sense of nostalgia I feel for old westerns subsided for a solid two hours. Bravo, and schweet jesus is christian bale ever hot.

Posted by: meredith at September 28, 2007 3:42 PM

I didn't read every single post, so sorry if someone already mention this but.... THE REAL REASON WADE KILLED HIS GANG AT THE END-
Was because they killed Dan, with whom he was obviously in love. Duh! If you see the person you love get killed right in front of you, you kill whoever did it. And well, you'd do that even if you didn't see it happen right in front of you.
Anyway, that's it. Sorry about spoilers, but there are already a billion of them on here anyway.

Posted by: Leeria at September 30, 2007 11:03 PM

i saw it last night with my mother, who had seen the orginal as a little girl (around 7 or 8 yo at the time), and both of us were blown away. i wish more movies had this kind of depth...

Posted by: thatgirlshines at October 5, 2007 10:36 AM

im a lil confused as to why Ben would kill his posse and get on the train at the end?

Posted by: chiris at January 11, 2008 2:23 PM

The ending to this film was RIDICULOUS and it completely ruined it. Absolutely stupid beyond belief and anyone who thinks different is completely retarded. I feel cheated that i sat through it, really enjoyed it and then watched in disbelief as it turned into a farcical joke before my very eyes.

And as for this homophobic nonsense, am i missing something here? What are you people on? Talk about one person reading something into something that doesn't even exist and then everyone jumping on the bandwagon and giving it credence as though it has some sort of basis in reality.

So to sum the ending up - He's about to strangle him and he says something about wanting to look a hero in front of his son and the next thing he's stopped strangling him and they now form some kind of doubleact jumping across rooftops to get him to the prison train. "Slight change of heart, i was a cold hearted bastard but now i'm going to help you take me to prison so your son doesn't think your a loser, then i'm gonna kill my whole crew who've just moved heaven and earth to save me and then i'll get on the train of my own free will" What a complete joke.

Posted by: MB at January 14, 2008 6:23 PM

alright, i absolutley love this movie. i thought ben foster did an amazing, AMAZING job... ive watched this movie 5 times since i got it 5 days ago. crowe and bale are good too, but i have a new found apreciation for foster... he's hot!

Posted by: shelby at January 22, 2008 8:42 PM

We saw this movie in the theater, and I need to see it again. I thought that William was too expressive in his disdain for his father--in that day and age, even the most tolerant of parents (and I include that awful actress Gretchen Mol) would have cuffed him for insolence.

And the real reason Ben killed the gang was that it was becoming clear that their loyalty might be strong now, but wouldn't necessarily be so forever. If he kills them, that issue never arises, and he is known as the man who killed his own gang. It's not like that detracts from his image.

Also Open Range was just awful. So much cliched dialog in one movie...

Posted by: Kate at January 28, 2008 3:07 PM

I thought the real reason Ben killed his gang, was he was disgusted with himself and all of them. He wiped the slate clean.

By the end he had true respect for Dan. He understood Dan's truth about not being a hero and not wanting his 14 year old son to know the true story of his service in the Army. He had enough respect in Dan, to let Dan die a hero in his son's eyes. He got on the train too, so the boy would know that his father had won.

But you just know Wade hasn't changed, when he clucks to his horse and his horse gallops off behind the train. Ben ain't going be on the train for long. And he'll go back to his stealing, murderous ways, and I do not doubt, build up a whole new gang to lead.

It's the son's life that has been forever changed.

Posted by: fish at February 1, 2008 1:22 PM

I thought Ben killed his gang because he was angry. He's not a super complicated guy; he gets angry, he shoots them all. Crowe does a good job of showing that he's not attatched to anyone, ever; it's how killing is so easy for him. The whole thing is sort of a game for him, anyway, since it's obvious he can escape so easily. For the moment, he wanted Dan to win. His posse spoiled the game.
As for Dan's son, he's a teenager. Or course he's conflicted, confused, indecisive, changeable and doesn't know what to think. It's like his job in life at this point.
I took the last third or so of the movie to not be complete realism, but that it dealt more in the absolutes and mataphors that stories are made for. They illustrate things that can't otherwise be articulated and are meant to make you think, not just to present a completely realistic account of some people who never existed. That's why it's called fiction.
I thought it was an amazing movie, well written, well acted, enjoyable, entertaining, and slightly heartbreaking (particularly when Dan sets a price on his own life, dictating the amount he's willing to trade his life for). It's hard to make Westerns these days, and this was a good one.
Plus Christian Bale is awesome. I mean, come on. He just is.

Posted by: BiblioGeek at February 2, 2008 7:13 PM

"As for Dan's son, he's a teenager. Or course he's conflicted, confused, indecisive, changeable and doesn't know what to think. It's like his job in life at this point."

True, but here's the thing: teenagers 130 years ago or so did not express that the way they do today. The kid was just too modern, and distracted and detracted from the rest of the movie.

Posted by: Kate at February 4, 2008 2:42 PM

That's true, he was pretty expressive and...what's the word...a 'little shit' about it, and it was kinda annoying after a certain point. I think it would have been more effective to make his disdain for his father less spelled out but just as painfully obvious. The secrets that everyone is aware of are the most uncomfortable.
What distracted me was why the heck they didn't just shoot at Ben's gang from the hotel window? There's seven of them, they all want to kill you, you're a sharpshooter, and for the moment you have a higher position. Shoot them! Even if they immediately scatter, they could have at least gotten one or two. It wouldn't even have changed the movie much, as long as they didn't shoot Prince. It bugged me. And for that matter, why did they even go to the hotel? Why not just go straight to the train station? It would have made the ending kind of suck, obviously, but was that the only reason, or was there something I missed?
I do still think it's a good, smart movie, despite all of its flaws.

Posted by: BiblioGeek at February 7, 2008 6:45 AM



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