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Wow! That second paragraph might be the best rant EVER! I could actually feel your spittle as I read it.

BRAVO

I have a new found love for James Marsden. I am indifferent to Heigl. She's vanilla ice cream to me. He, however, is a banana split with extra hot fudge. YUM!

Sadly, I will most likely see the movie to cheer up sad friend who loves romantic comedies and thinks that the last movie she saw was the best movie of the year.

This review deserves a single slow clap culminating in a full on standing ovation.

Now this is why I love the site. Only Pajiba unleashes a level of vitriol usually reserved for films like "Captivity" into a review for a bland rom-com. Well fucking done.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Step away from the fumes, Dustin. It's Katherine Heigl in a romcom, not Franz Kafka in a wifebeater. We've seen this POS story a hundred bajillion times, yet the level of vitriol in this particular review seems amped up for some reason. Is it merely because a pretty girl has opinions? Don't worry, I'll never see the movie, but I guess I just don't understand the whole "Skank Cancer" gestalt or all the Heigl hate. What exactly has she done to earn the hate? She (kind of) broke bad on a (really good) movie she was in while doing a (typically puffy) interview in Vanity Fair, which is not quite as bad, to me anyway, as puking out of the door of your Escalade on Hollywood Boulevard OR endorsing anti-Semitic rhetoric in the Wall Street Journal. I see her as about as offensive as macaroni and cheese, and better to look at than most people who do what she does.

Where to start, where to start? What does it say about me that I was calmer and less motivated toward anger when I commented on the torture documentary than I am on this one? With the exception of The Philadelphia Story, wedding films leave me cold and yet I know for the next month everywhere I go, women will be asking me if I have seen this and telling me how great it is and hugging their children protectively to their breasts when I tell them I'd rather watch a C-Span congressional debate on offal tariffs. I'm sure this will be hugely popular, especially with the most evil day of the year (Valentine's Fucking Day) looming. Legally women used to be considered the same as children (i.e., unable to think for themselves) and honestly, when I see this drivel I wonder if that wasn't the right way to go.
And yes, that second paragraph was amazing.

Man, that second paragraph...beautiful.

As for Skank Cancer, remember: it's ok to be the chick flick stereotype when you're the lead in a movie with other beautiful people and it's going to "push your career" and not when you're fifth-banana to a group of ugly losers you'd never have given two shits about except for the fact that they're the new comedy kings of Hollywood.

It's all in the details.

OK, reality check. So in this movie, the wedding journalist is a good looking, heterosexual guy who loves writing about weddings? Yeah, right. All of a sudden, Clive Owen fucking a lactating hooker while shooting invading ninjas is starting to look plausible.

Dustin, sometimes the amount, and like, acidity of your vitriol kind of scares me. Take a couple deep breaths every now and then. And does everything have to be such extremes? Either the finest thing to grace the theaters in ages or steaming piles of whatever-loose-gross-out-analogy-you-can-come-up-with? Either hipster elitist or buck-toothed hillbilly? I think Claude made a thoughtful, reasonable argument with some perspective, and an appreciation for a middle ground. And while I realize you left some room in that intro paragraph for a "yeah, but I didn't say there wasn't middle ground", you sure didn't go out of your way to present it either.

And also, while I'm here, what is your DEAL with Katherine Heigl? A lot of actors are lending their celebrity to the writer's strike cause, and maybe the reason she's in so many pictures on picket lines is because the people taking the pictures know that they'll get more attention with photos of a recognizable face. SHE didn't write her character on Grey's Anatomy, and I don't see you crapping all over the names of every other actor in Hollywood that takes roles inconsistent with ideals they come out with in public.

The objection I have here is not to the rather irrational hatred of the bland Heigl, but rather to the justification of that hatred by pointing to her cheesecake photos and saying that any girl who's done that sort of work can't claim anything as sexist. The comments on Knocked Up on this very site suggest that the movie can be seen both ways. Heigl's not claiming to be the leader of the next feminist wave, as far as I can see. She just pointed out some stuff in a movie she wasn't entirely comfortable with, and the response has been to shame her with photos in which she displays her body. All pin-ups are sluts, and sluts can't have valid thoughts on whether sexism exists, apparently being the rational.

So, irrational hatred of celebs--good.
Using reference to suggestive pictures in order to shame a woman into silencing her opinions--bad.

nice one brtrisk. I have to complete agree with you.

Oi. I saw this debate coming from a mile away. Fuck, I could have written most of these comments without even reading them first.

And brtrisk, I must admit, I think you're reading waaaay too much into that one small phrase. The point was never about her posing in that magazine, that was a throwaway line. The point is what she SAYS.

And boo, there ain't nothing wrong with liking Mandy Moore. I actually like her as an actress too.

And Sam T - I believe "The Wire" Ed Burns is an ex-Baltimore cop... he might be a bit out of place. This Ed Burns is the once-promising guy who has been swallowed by Hollywood and spit back out as yet another bland, lame, stubble-chinned spare part.

Mandy Moo, coveredinbees? Ha ha ha, is that your little nickname for her?? :)

Sorry. As mentioned earlier, brains are mush.

It's the friggin' PR machine people - You wanna get your friggin' mug on the cover of some magazines and get talked about in blogs? Make a dumb-ass statement (at least in my opinion) about a movie that you were in and practically everybody liked, then strip down to your skivvies and appease all the people who need a few more files in thier masturbatory database. Then, logically, follow it up with a blatant chick-flick, a few more interviews about some "serious issues" then top the whole friggin' thing off with a crotch-shot at Cannes and hook up with Ellen DeGeneres when the career goes a little stale (Anne Heche, I'm talking to you).

Bottom line though, I'd do 'er. Sorry...

Jesus Christ. I can't believe my first comment on a site I generally enjoy is going to be so negative, but I seriously can't believe you chose to review this movie. Granted, this is Pajiba, and a formulaic chick flick that sells on the charisma of its leads is not going to go over well here. I expect that, and though I enjoyed the movie, I fully anticipated plenty of snark.

However, I would have prefered my snark without a side of ridiculous Heigl-hate. Honestly, I find the woman a little grating myself, but the level of vitriol she receives smacks of misogyny. If it's not someone critiquing her fat ass on some less pedigreed site, it's someone else ripping her to shreds for being ambitious (god forbid) or having an opinion. Any opinion at all. It's one thing to dislike her, another entirely to cram her into a female stereotype and hurl slurs at her. I'm pretty disgusted, and I hate this some petty vendetta is having such an effect on a site I used to respect.

Feminists come in a lot of flavors. Heigel might be a feminist who thinks that showing her skin is empowering, and perhaps that having women characters that are humorless adults in a movie where the men are charming infants, and that movie sides with the infants, hides misogyny. Like, the writer/director hates women and that's the subtext of the comedy. That was my strong impression of that statement, but I'm admittedly biased, as I'm kinda that kind of feminist myself. I haven't seen the movie or her tv shows, pretty much all I know of her is that quote.

I'm not humorless, y'all, I promise.

I don't feel strongly about Heigl either way, and the Heigl hate is a tad tiresome, but whatever. I don't watch her show, either. The ads for this movie actually make it look somewhat amusing, but not full-price ticket amusing. Maybe I'll shell out a buck when it hits the cheap theaters. Marsden is the one who kinda sells it, in the ads for it, at least.

I think the wedding/rom-com genre flicks are the female version of action movies. Incredibly dumb and unrealistic eye candy, showing the audience what they want to see, rather than the way things really are. The hero faces some contrived struggle, overcomes it, happy ending, done.

Hey, they can't all be "No Country for Old Men."

I do applaud this line: "... it's a lot easier to bathe in stupidity and call someone a close-minded, elitist assbag than it is 'suffer' through some high-minded pleasures, of which there is a scarcity these days thanks to the spending power of the deliberately ignorant."

It doesn't matter who stars in this movie, it looks stupid. I agree with PaddyDog--I don't want to see another movie about weddings that makes me feel like I should need a husband to be happy. I'm getting really sick of films like this and Sex and the City where women can't be happy without a man.

Also, this has been bugging me since I first saw the preview--how is it possible that anyone actually has 27 friends close enough to be in their wedding parties? If she really has 27 best friends then she probably doesn't even have time for a boyfriend anyway.

Alison- fucking well said. I don't get the Heigl hate either, and while I can understand the offense taken to her perceived hypocricy, I was so damn glad she at least RECOGNIZED Hollywood's institutionalized sexism. So she likes to have her photo taken, and can be self-aggrandizing. This just in: she's a motherfucking ACTRESS, for christsake, a profession that self-selects for attention-needy people. Since when does an actress have live in the image of Gloria Steinem to have an opinion about sexism?

And yes, I find her character on Grey's Anatomy as odious as the rest of the Pajiba legions, but a) I'm pretty sure she doesn't write the script, and b) I don't watch that piece of shit sho....

Oh. Oh God. Oh jesus in pajamas, Dustin. WE did this to you with out real-time review mongering. We put you over the Heigl edge, and now we're yelling at you. I get it. And I'm sorry.

But Heigl's still not THAT bad.

*our real-time review mongering.

Dustin, seriously, you have a problem. You should not have done this so close to your last one.

Screw "taking one for the team", now you are just suicidal. I refuse to encourage you anymore down this path. You are all complicit in the murder of Dustin's sanity, I hope you are happy.

Both brtrisk and Tammy made excellent points. Hell, I think Heigl is quite intelligent and sexy (I'd do her too, Skittimus), but I can see why a lot of the stuff she ways sounds hypocritical and infuriating. The Knight-Washington affair was one, and the Knocked Up/ thing was another.

I don't know about Dustin (frankly, I think he has lost it), but I feel that Heigl can pretty much do whatever she wants, whether it be rom-coms or photoshoots or protests or what have you. She should just stop trying to act like she is somehow above them. Just like Alba and her incessant "I hate being a sex symbol, but check out this movie where you might see my goods" spiel. They can't have their cake and eat it, too.

And no one should ever discourage a woman from wanting to look sexy, dammit!

::Spoiler?:::

I'm just glad my boy Marsden finally gets the girl. Why his fine ass keeps getting dissed in movies is far beyond me.

That is all.

While I could care less about Heigl or her dresses, I have a question for Pajiba...CLOVERFIELD review yet? I was sadly not impressed. Expectations were too high I guess. I felt like I was watching the preview to the actual full movie, which guarantee they'll make next year. Left the door wide open.

Dammit, I need to start proofreading my posts: "by"= "buy"

Oh please. "soccer moms, academics, greasers, stoners, jocks, band geeks, hipsters, and anti-intellectualists alike can all follow the rainbow to the same meadow, hold hands, and dance around the same pot of gold, because Skank Cancer's first headliner is neither smart nor entertaining"? I guarantee someone (a depressingly high number of someones, most likely) will like this movie, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it do pretty well, because while smart and entertainig are not mutually exclusive, stupid and entertaining pretty much are, but the people who can't spot the stupid are also too stupid to spot the not-entertaining.
Also, regarding Dustin's vitriol, I have a theory: remember when we were all slamming him for liking The Great Debaters et al? This is no descent into madness we're witnessing; it's simply a return to scathing form.

I dislike Heigl because she's a priss and covets attention, but the hate and invectives she inspires on this and other sites really makes me feel uncomfortable. I agree - who are the males who are so villified for similar 'crimes'. And I am also tired of all reviews always piling on romantic comedies, when buddy, sports, and action flicks are the same kind of popcorn fare for men, catering to similar feelings of being the underdog, valiantly struggling, and heroically overcoming and getting glory/love/fame. How is a romantic comedy any worse? Not to say that this movie actually isn't worse. There are bad, bad movies out there. *shudder* I won't take issue with the review of this one because I haven't seen it. I'm responding more to a feeling on this and other sites that female stars and chick flicks get both more scrutiny and more hate.

The Filthy Critic does this kind of thing much better than you do, Dustin.

I mean, really: Massengill Mouth?!

Pretty weak.

Fourth Starletard of the Apocolypse: J.Simp.

Isn't it obvious?

Bree, while J.Simp is definitely retarded, she's not a drunken, junkie, slutty disaster like the other 3. Besides, I don't think it's politically correct to call real retarded people retarded. Oops...shit, there I did it. Mentally handicapped. Or whatever.

Oh James Marsden, how far you've sunk since Sugar and Spice (dammit, I love that movie).

Oh, Paddy . . .

With the exception of The Philadelphia Story, wedding films leave me cold

Generally agree, except I'm assuming that's an unintentional omission of 4W&aF? John Hannah's reading of "Funeral Blues" alone puts that one in the pantheon.

I'd rather watch a C-Span congressional debate on offal tariffs.

This is why you're hot.

I'm sure this will be hugely popular, especially with the most evil day of the year (Valentine's Fucking Day) looming

Yes, we were meant to be together.

Sam-T, though I'm a secret-shame fan of Edward Burns the actor/director, I had to chuckle that "The Wire"'s Ed Burns has eclipsed The Brothers McMullen's Edward Burns in name recognition with someone as plugged-in as yourself. There's hope for our world!

While I love reading the reviews on this site and I generally trust the opinions stated therein, I've actually started to dread occasions where I think Katherine Heigl might be mentioned. She's just an actress, no more or less. She's not a symbol for the feminist values of America. The hatred for her is honestly quite ugly and all of the rationalizing about why everyone should hate her is insulting to your readers. You've clearly taken a personal dislike to her, which is fine. I can't stand Zac Efron, for no good reason. But being so repeatedly, crudely unpleasant about her over and over is unnecessary.

I think WAY too many people confuse Katherine Heigl with Izzie Stevens. The dislike for the actress really seemed to start when her character went off the deep end. Again, she's just an actress, and maybe she's opinionated and hypocritical to an extent, but she's in movies and on TV, not running for office. Lay off for a second, take a deep breath, and be thankful you only had to see this movie once. Last I checked, you do this voluntarily.

Okay, let's round it out:

NR = Famine ("You've lost some of your stuffing, Scarecrow!")

PH = Pestilence (STDs, people. STDs will be the fall of Man)

BS = War (at war with the legal system, at war with the good sense god gave a goose, at war with herself (Thank you, Dr. Phil!))

LL = Death (the death of culture, or death by heavy coke use; could also choke to death on a penis or her own vomit)

Banana cake would be delicious. Golden spoon should make banana ice cream. Who says she'll be a naggy wife? From where I'm sitting, she's done the gross-out, man-centric comedy, and now she's solidifying her status as generically hot blonde by doing a traditional romcom. She may very well think that this movie is sexist, and for all I know she'll call it so the next time she's interviewed by GlamoVaniMopolitan. She has already said in the press, "this isn't a particularly intelligent film," and I think it's kind of funny that as long as she keeps selling tickets, she can keep on biting the sexist hand that feeds.

Anyway, I don't love the Heigl or anything and I certainly don't have anything invested in defending her, specifically; I just don't think a woman who made an offhand comment (in a fucking VF interview) about sexism in Hollywood needs to be as principled as the president of NOW. Call me crazy, but I wasn't looking to Heigl to define feminism for me, and while I found her sexism comments amusing, I don't hold my generistarlets to particularly high social and moral standards.

I don't like her, but I find the seething hatred misguided.

Wow, talk about misplaced anger: PissBoy, really, go slam into a gas truck? Really? I mean, it certainly evokes an image, but come on, man. That's low.

No...trust me. I can go a lot lower. Shall I?

Dustin is damn funny and KH is an annoying bitch.

First of all, amen to that first paragraph.

Secondly, this movie looks like a bowel movement.

Well, I guess it's time to add my two cents to the bunch.

It's nice to see so much support for Heigl... or at least some backlash against the Skank Cancerness of the site. I agree with most of what everyone said in favor of Heigl. Seriously? Where did such hatred come from? If you don't like her, don't see her movies, and don't watch her show. It's as simple as that. And comparing her to other celebutantes and tabloid targets is a cheap shot, and a dumb one, too. Is anyone going to mention Heigl and Lohan/Britney/Paris in the same sentence? I doubt it. She's allowed to her opinion, and as she's been anointed an heiress to Julia's throne, tough cookies, 'cause we're gonna have to hear it.

I just really don't understand it at all. I doubt the film's any good, but I'm sure Heigl's charming in it. It seems like the tagline for the site should be "Scathing Reviews, Bitchy People. P.S. Katharine Heigl can suck it."

"Scathing Reviews, Bitchy People. P.S. Katharine Heigl can suck it."

I don't care about her one way or another, but... I kinda like that. Got a nice ring to it.

Anyway, I think becca's theory is right. Y'all have no one but yourselves to blame. You drove the man to this, with your incessant Greys requests.

You called down the thunder, now you've got it.

Meh, Heigl doesn't bother me too much. I thought her comments about Knocked Up after she garnered so much attention in its wake were childish and bratty, but nobody's perfect. How many celebrities don't shoot their mouths off once in a while? They all think they are more important than they are, and they all think their opinion matters. And they all think they are more intelligent than they actually are, especially ones like Heigl with half a brain cell, because they are comparing themselves on a daily basis to the truly retarded, like J Simp and Paris, instead of normal people who have...oh, I don't know...a real job and maybe even an education.

About the wedding-obsessed leading lady issue...I dislike it. It's sending an awful message to young women and too much of that crap can make a person feel less than adequate for not having a man. However, that attitude is unfortunately a reality. I think I'm right around the age when women start flipping the fuck out about their single status. I cannot tell you how many of my single friends (talented, successful, attractive women) think all is lost and they might as well go out and purchase a cat and start ordering from the home shopping network every evening. Or how many of my coupled-up girlfriends are in constant fights with their boyfriends because he won't propose. And these are all women who, a few years ago, were having the time of their lives moving around, jump-starting their careers, and reveling in singleness. So while it is disgusting, there is a sick truth to it. But I guess you might say these movies are adding and perpetuating the problem.

sarafrances: We have to see Juno first.

You're goddamn right you do.

I love you.

Socalled: YAY!!

I have nothing to add to the Heigl discussion other than 27 Dresses looks like ass but I will probably rent it via Netflix since I have a weakness for Judy Greer. That is all.

But why should the blonde actresses get hated on so much? Come on now. I disliked Julia Roberts and Sandra Bullock during their prime earning years and they were both brunnettes. It wasn't so much that I HATED them and wanted them to die in a pool of their own skank, I just knew the movies they were in tended to be ones I don't want to watch - RomComs that make you want to light a torch to society and watch it burn. My hatred wasn't for the women themselves, but the movies they were in and the tired stereotypes they usually reinforced. I try to separate that hatred from the actress, because their career choices shouldn't necessary be political choices. It would be nice if women in Hollywood took a stand and refused roles they believe reinforced gender stereotypes instead of paying lip service to feminism and then cashing in the big check anyway, but who am I to judge.

I get the distinct feeling that somebody wants Cloverfield reviewed...

Sometimes people just rub other people the wrong way. Vermillion had it right - there's always a Dunst, a Johannsen, a Cage, an Alba - Heigl's just one of many, many, many to come. I just hope Dustin and her never meet at a Sizzler... Jesus, it'd be a fuckin' warzone.

Like I said, some people just rub other people the wrong way. To see someone rubbed the right way, please visit my website www.skittimusmaximuscaveofforbiddenpleasuresandknittingtips.com

TK- I would have seen Juno weeks ago, but I promised her that I'd see it with her. It's killing me, but she has a really good reason not to go see it and I can't even be pissed at her about it.

Oh, and please be eighteen...

One more thing for Vermillion: I was running a race this past weekend, and at or around mile three (aka before I was delirious), I passed Vermillion street as well as a building of the same name. With many, many miles to go, it was a nice Pajiba distraction.

To all of those arguing for the sake of argument:

If you don't want to read vitriol directed at Heigl (and I'm assuming if you've been 'round these parts in the last, hell, few weeks, you would at least be unsurprised at said vitriol) then I would recommend not reading a review about a movie with Heigl as the lead.

I mean, what the hell is the point of reviewing a movie like 27 Dresses if you aren't allowed to bitch about it, or the people in it? No one complains that Eddie Murphy gets too much hate after a fat-suit movie.

Also, have to agree with PissBoy. Just because you hate one woman doesn't mean you hate them all.

So next time, whoever dares to bring out the "M" word should know ahead of time that you are getting jumped on.

But then again, you are probably just arguing for the sake of argument, as I mentioned, so there is never lack of fodder for you here!

Welcome, arguers of the world!

Pajiba!

Okay, I haven't read all the comments, but I want to say something about sexism in hollywood.

Knocked Up was definitely slanted from the male point of view, but I think it is a hell of a lot better than most other films. I really didn't think either woman was that naggy (at least compared with most of the shit out there.) And I loved that whole "you think that because you don't yell, you're not mean" thing. God damn is that true, and my mother has said that to my Dad a million times.

What is really sexist is not that women characters are "naggy" or "sexy" or "slutty." And it isn't even the fact that those are pretty much the only options. What really sucks is that whether it is action, drama, hell, even a stupid slit my wrists with paper cuts crapfest like this, men always have more character development, and better lines.

When will a woman get a "Yippie ki yay motherfucker" or perhaps a "you can't handle the truth" or even a lame ass "show me the money"

No, we get mother fucking "I'm just a girl, standing in front of a boy..."

*slits wrists and dies*

I'm just glad my boy Marsden finally gets the girl. Why his fine ass keeps getting dissed in movies is far beyond me.

A-fucking-men. That was some seriously shitty phenomena I didn't understand, and I have a renewed sense of hope in this world now that this has occurred on film. Marsden = vaginally obligated (or obliged, to avoid the wrath of grammar nazis). Except for this movie.

Gamma? EXACTLY.

It would be nice if women in Hollywood took a stand and refused roles they believe reinforced gender stereotypes instead of paying lip service to feminism and then cashing in the big check anyway, but who am I to judge.

Posted by: JanetFaust at January 18, 2008 2:33 PM

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The reason women don't do this is because there is always another younger, prettier actress willing to take the cash and the bad script and doesn't give a flying fuck what all the Pajibans think.

So... I lost my rule book link- how drunk should I be right now? Three shots? Four? What's the "m" word drinking rule? Do we have a rule about Socalled and PaddyDog virtually hooking up in spite of the chaos? We should.

I have managed to avoid 90% of what KH has been in, but what I've seen as annoyed me, and when she opens her mouth in interviews I cringe. So I get that she trashed her character in Knocked Up because it didn't wind up being the character she (supposedly) THOUGHT it would be... but what's the excuse now? Seriously- it's a movie about wanting desperately to be married. Did they give her a bad edit? Was she shoved into ANOTHER switcharoonie with the plot lines? Nope. So yeah, she can suck it.

Tammy's math was the best on the topic. Off to find the booze... once BSlim gets here, I'm sure we'll have even more shots to do.

Thank you Mr. Boynton for properly labeling the 4 Horseman

wow, Vermillion, if I had ever known I was your she-ro, my feelings might be hurt.

Was it the Mandy Moore comment? Gah. I knew it.
Still, I'm not taking it back!!! Hey, at least I'm a pseudo-straight chick with a crush on another chick! THAT HAS TO COUNT FOR SOMETHING, VERM!!!

Don't quit me.

joker: Actually, I do. I made a banana cake for my kid's first birthday last year, and everyone went ape-crap for it.

Am I seriously this domesticated?

Okay, here's the thing: I appreciate you. I really do. I'll be using "Torture Corn" everytime my mother brings up another movie she wants me to watch. But this last review was ricockulous. KH may annoy you, and we're sorry you had to see her movie, but I think the hate campaign might be just a leeeeetle bit overkill.
Especially here.

Cleanse your soul with a separate I Hate KH thread if you must, but here in this movie I'm certain more of it sucked than just her, and her hypocritical risque mag covers were not under review here. Let's be fair.

For what it's worth, joker, I've been daydreaming (and probably night-dreaming, too) about banana ice cream at Golden Spoon for at least a week now.

Lilianna28: In the curious absence of drinking game rule master Alex The Odd, I propose that every time the "M" word is used, an entire bottle of rubbing alcohol should be consumed.

About Socalled and myself, our publicists have issued hasty denials and will be doing the rounds of the entertainment shows to insist that your claims are unsubstantiated. (You'll destroy the negatives after you get the pay-off, right?).

some have mentioned their love for james marsden, and i just want to tell them about a movie called "interstate 60"....
he stars along side gary oldman, kurt russell, chris cooper, ann-margret, amy smart, and many more. it's a funky little movie, but i love it as have all i have shown it too. i found it in my quest to watch every gary oldman movie.
just sharing.....

Paddy, we'll see how things go... k?

Do we need a new category for being politically incorrect re: cancer? Hey, it's Friday, I'll drink for anything.

TK / Vermillion:

Yes, you are both tottally correct (and I too
LKGN. Why would you apologize?)

Anyway, maybe I'm an idiot, but my only point was that it seems that you have to look a lot harder for a strong female character in a film. Even in your (very awesome) suggestions, I find a problem, both of them are a few years old.

However, I am just so happy someone responded. Two people! Damn, I wish I were more coherent today...

Great review. I'm passing on the movie because I'm tired of seeing the successful woman care so much about marriage to the point where they look crazy and a happy ending translates to her being successful in landing a man. Ridiculous.

I don't like Heigl because she's a bad actress. She overacts in my opinion.

I can understand your hate for her because she has that capability to just rub people the wrong way. For sheer entertainment value, I don't think your review was over the top at all.

I'm taking a break from the article:
"After the weddings, Jane leaves her day planner in the back of a cab, where Kevin (James Marsden) -- a wedding journo (ha!) -- recovers it and decides to run a story on her. However, Jane doesn't know that Kevin is her favorite wedding columnist, so she doesn't yet know that she should be in love with him."

What are you talking about? Is there such thing as a wedding columnist? Should I have a favorite one? What's the deal?

Oh, the wonder that would be BSlim's contributions to this board, but alas we are left wanting.

I should have mentioned in my first post that I do not like La Heigl, not because of her opinion regarding Knocked Up, it is the inherent hypocrisy within it. Although, I do find her attractive and would not hesitate to, how do you say, "hit it"?

My theory: people hate her instinctively because of her kraut-sounding last name and the fact that she's blonde. HI-GULL. Say it with me... Sounds German, doesn't it?

RE "how is it possible that anyone actually has 27 friends close enough to be in their wedding parties"

I actually don't find that so unrealistic. At one point in my life, I worked in a photo processing lab that did a lot of wedding pictures. I couldn't believe how many bitches - sorry, women - had numbers of bridesmaids in the double digits. Not 27, but one of them must have had a dozen, at least. I think a lot of them had delusions that they were the next Princess Di and rounded up as many bridesmaids as possible so as to give the effect of queen and her courtiers. The whole idea of a bridesmaid is kinda retarded, if you think about it. And making your closest friends shell out a lot of money for a fugly dress is unforgivable. And I saw some fugly-ass dresses.

I kinda thought Heigl's remarks about "Knocked Up" were refreshing. Most "stars" act (some none too convincingly) like the latest movie they're pimping is the bestest, funnest, most thought-provoking ever. And considering how sub-standard many of these movies are, it actually increases my respect for someone who will say, publicly, "well, there were some difficulties" or (usually much later, after the movie has come and gone) "Yeah, I know it sucked, I did it for the money." I don't care when people sell out, just be honest about it, you're cool by me. If people only worked on good movies, well, that'd be awesome, but there'd be a whole lot of people out of work.

If you still wanna hate on the Heigl, go for it. I don't really care.

Heigl-hating aside, do we really need another mindless wedding movie where the actor(s) karaoke some random song so show how humble/nerdy/attractive he or she or they is or are?

If you're really itching to see a wedding movie, I'll second Four Weddings and a Funeral. I'll also strongly suggest you go out and rent Muriel's Wedding, a true gem of a movie from Down Under. Only outside of America will you see a film which turns the wedding romcom on its ass. And only outside of America will a film realistically show that life and love (and the vast majority of people, for that matter) are not always pretty.

Muriel's Wedding

Yes, Toni Collette in all her hot, bucktoothed, Aussie glory. And Rachel Griffiths to boot. Mmmmmm, kangaroo threesome with Toni and Rachel. Mmmmm, donuts . . . .

KELSEY: Good point, what about a female lead in a non-romcom?

Also, I hate these movies because they reiterate the stupid idea that no woman is a success unless she has a man. As a fiercly independant young woman, I thought I had it all, but between my relatives, my girlfriends and DVT inducing movies like this, I was always brought down a peg since I was "alone". Now I have a man, and everyone's soooo proud of me, but it's hard work being as successful in my life as before. Still,
I was really hoping that this movie wouldn't be so bad, because I quite guiltily wanted to see the 27 dresses and because my bf has an inexplicable boner for this connasse. I guess I'll just wait for the montage to appear on Youtube and save my money. Sorry hun, no movie night boners for you this week.

Daphne, I have a boundless amount of virile cyber-love held just for you, not to mention my disturbing crush on 'bama.

For the next two days, my "Women of Pajiba" calendar will be turned to your page, and I don't give a damn whether it's August. It's HOT in here.

Oooooh! Can I be Miss April? Can I? Can I?

And "Muriel's Wedding" is too awesome for words. Leave it to our kinfolk in Oz to completely smack the American rom-com around and call it Sally.

By the way, Toni Collette's the only celebrity I've been told I look like. I don't really sit, but whatever. I'll take a compliment, no matter how weird the form, any day.

Correction because I am sofa king retarded:

"By the way, Toni Collette's the only celebrity I've been told I look like. I don't really SEE IT, but whatever."

On rom-coms: I think about the genre like hypnosis - if you're dealing with a weak-minded or particularly suggestible person, sure, they might buy into the whole 'you need a man to be happy' concept. But - really - reasonably intelligent women who watch these don't buy into that whole idea or believe for a second that the marshmallow-fluff 'relationships' would happen or even function in the real world any more than an action movie fan believes they're about to be tapped by the CIA to foil a dastardly plot or a cubicle worker dreams about finding out that we're all living in the Matrix. The idea that these movies perpetuate emotional handicaps among the female members of the population grossly underestimates the intelligence of our gender.

Take it from a girl raised on the damn things.

We're willing to spend the money to watch these because we know how sticky and complicated real relationships, work, school, bills, life, etc. can be and like to have 90 minutes where we get to watch a relationship with a sure-thing happy ending. Sure, I can appreciate a film with multi-dimensional characters with a layered plot that speaks to the human condition. But I work hard, and sometimes I just want to take a break from dealing with all the crap in my life, check my brain at the door, and watch a frothy movie where the good people get good things and bad people get bad things.

That being said, there are certainly different levels of quality when it comes to rom-coms - even those that are 90% derivative -, and 27 may be on the low end. I don't know; I haven't seen it yet. (But I'm totally going to.)

On Katherine Heigl: Personally, I think you're being unnecessarily whatever-the-male-word-for-bitchy-is (currly?) towards her. She probably didn't think that Knocked Up would be as huge as it was (if it was supposed to be that big, they probably wouldn't have hired an actress who isn't even the lead on a TV show), thought it might be the defining role of her career, and didn't want to be type-cast as the hot girl in slacker-guy movies any more than Seth Rogen would want to be forever typecast as a perpetual adolescent.

Alabama, how do I get the recipe then? Oh, I have an irrational dislike of all vague measurements like "a pinch" or "a cup". I spend way too much time agonising on the size of a cup/pinch/finger/fistful.

LKGN sequel?! YAY! I love that film. *scurries off to IMDB do check this out* I tried to get my brother to watch it, but he's a moron and said he doesn't like female action heroes. He may have said it to piss me off. Brothers are idiots.

To wsapnin - Exactly, there is always the next big thing just waiting to swoop in. That's one reason why I don't think Hollywood career choices can necessarily be political ones, unless the actor is just willing to take some financial hits and risk losing the all-important "star power". Some actors may actually care about how their choices appear - hypocritical or not - to their viewing public, but most do not give a flying fuck and just want their paycheck like everyone else. I can't fault K.H. for that, but she can't have her cake (be in the blockbuster rom-com that reinforces gender stereotypes) and eat it too (later decry said movie for reinforcing stereotypes.) It will be interesting to see if anyone questions her about 27 Dresses and its content RE: feminism.

I'm just that depressed that . . . I'm not in the Pajiba calendar inner circle. I hope to one day be objectified in the name of high-minded yearly planners.

Well, becca, I'm still looking for someone to take the Trinity spot in my Matrix-themed October 2008 layout. Or, if you're blonde and can speak with a British-trained Spanish accent, I still have the Barcelona/Tushka Bergen spot in May, though that's a bit esoteric for some. That's also my birthday month, so I hope you're limber.

Mmmm . . . Tushka Bergen. Along with Iben Hjejle, headlining my obscure foreign actress "mm-mm-good" pantheon. Out of Barcelona, we get Mira Sorvino, England somehow keeps Tushka.

Finally, someone who doesn't see the point in bridesmaids? What the fuck purpose do they serve?

Humiliating all of the other women in your social circle, crushing their spirits and forcing them to bow to you for (at least) one day. What else is there?

socalled- I'm flattered, but unfortunately for both of us in this particular situation, I'm a brunette. I am, however, very flexible.

That does make me eligible for the Trinity spot, right? I can wing a resemblance to Carrie Ann Moss, especially if she's as tall as she appears to be on film.

*Just checked, she is tall. Yippee. I can't believe I'm imdb'ing in the name of a fake calendar; or that I just verbed "imdb".

Amen, Pookie.

I don't like Heigl. Some of us have disliked her as an actress for a very long time. I remember her from Roswell (shut up) and I always thought she was a bad actress. Gray's Anatomy did nothing to change my opinion, nor did Knocked Up.

Then the scandal on the G.A. set and she popped up in the news, first showing support for her costar (not bad, not bad). But *then*, it was all "I'd throw down" blah blah blah. It seemed, to me (and this is totally my thing), like she was sort of taking advantage of the situation, really throwing herself in where she didn't belong. Then there was the ass-kissing with People and all those trash rags, feeding them crap about her wedding (selling the photos to OK magazine). The name thing at the Emmys. Claiming she wants to be known for her versatility and nothing else (because she's a REAL ACTRESS, see?) but then she lunches at the Ivy and posed with the paparazzi.

Then there's this movie. I HATE actors that make movies like this one. I hate actresses who, like Gwyneth Paltrow before Heigl, go brown to portray the character as mousy/frumpy. It's friggin' insulting.

Let me make my self perfectly clear so no one comes at me with that lame "it's not like she's the ONLY one who does this, and there are others who are much worse" excuses- first off, I dislike all of the actors who do this, and secondly- "at least she isn't like Lohan"? Is that ya'll paying her a compliment or something? That's a really low standard to have.

I like opinionated, ambitious women. I *don't* like talentless fame-whores. And, imo, that's what Heigl is.

I can't remember the last time someone called me "Homeskillet". Thank you. I thought I was the only one who used that word. Let's bring it back.

I'm a little concerned that you think the decision to go brown is made by the actress, Sara.
You do know how movies work, right?
Right?

Ever since I watched those couple episodes of Grey's Anatomy last year I've wanted to hit Heigl in the face or drop kick her ass. She is so...I don't know, she's not a great actress either and she lucked out with getting that role in Knocked Up, which was probably perfectly suited for her anyway, because she seems stuck up and full of shit for no reason. Maybe cause she's blonde and looks like a million other actresses in Hollywood. Whatever, 27 Dresses looked heinous anyway...

Paragraph one was the greatest thing Ive read in weeks.

why can no one think of another word besides "vitriol"?? seriously, it is in every other comment. I mean, I know its a smart kid word guys but how about venom, virulence, hostility,contempt or malevolence? anything else!

No replies?

Huh.

As a person who used to defend The Heigl before and hates her with a fiery passion now, I can easily explain why she's so deplorable.

At first it was Roswell, and her public dissing of the show that she auditioned to be on, while it was still in production. Now I defended this, because some of the shit that went down was shady and it was really the first time I knew anything about her and sometimes you get stuck in a shitty job and want to bitch, that's fine.

Then came Grey's Anatomy. Yeah, I watched it. It was okay until Isiah went homophobe, all of the sudden she's talking shit and trying to be the center of attention and bitching because she doesn't get paid as much as the main actor and actress and whenever she does something it smacks of self-promotion more than honest to goodness belief in it.

I was fine with all that, it was something I could explain away.

Then she dissed Knocked Up. Knocked Up pretty much made her more than some TV supporting cast star and I've heard nothing but good things about Seth Rogan, but even in a film like that she has something to bitch and moan about. As if she was 'forced' to participate in the film. And that's when I said 'fuck this bitch'.

And the reason is this: Everything she does is solely to get attention. And even when it helps her she finds something to complain about. Whether it be money or alleged misogyny, it's always one thing or another from her, and it gets tiring and annoying and it's like Jessica Alba and her 'woe is me it's so hard being so hot' and it makes me hate anything that brings her publicity.

So yeah Dustin, keep with the Heigl hate because I'm right there with you man.

Okay.

I am not a particularly big Katherine Heigl fan, I disagreed with her about Knocked Up, I don't watch Grey's anymore, and there's no way I'm paying to see this movie.

What bothers me isn't that you dislike the Heigl, even if it's totally irrational. She's a celebrity, whatever.

BUT you don't get to call her a hypocrite because doing a romcom is so unfeminist and then call her "skank cancer" and refer to her as "Satan's vagina" in the same review. Because, you see, insulting a woman you disagree with by calling her a whore? That is not witty or edgy or clever. It doesn't make you some kind of maverick.

It is demeaning to women. Not just Katherin Heigl. WOMEN.

Honestly, it is really not that hard to express a negative opinion about a woman without using the word "skank."

For a site that regularly links to the feministing.com site, I find this review pretty deplorable. I can be as bitchy and scathing as the next girl, and I usually LOVE Dustin's reviews, but I started reading this and immediately felt really uncomfortable.

I forget which commenter said it above, but I also wonder why you can't hate Heigl and find a way to express it that doesn't involve calling her a 'skank', 'shrew', talking about her 'whorish, drunken crazy' and whether or not she should or shouldn't own it...I mean...sorry, I've been reading the site for a couple of years now and turned my husband and brother onto it because I usually love it, but this'll be the last time I read it and the last time I post. I'm not saying this to be petulant or to make you feel like 'woaaaah, better watch out, bluestar's not gonna read us anymore!' but more to just let you know I'm sad that I can't come back here because what you just did was so misogynistic that I'm totally and completely turned off.

By the way, I thought the movie sucked too.

I didn't realize there was a link to Pajiba on ILoveKatherineHeigl.com.

Feminism must not be used as a tool against a progressive people. It is at best a quick fix for the impatient and dogmatic. Feminism must grow from a organic mind set and not be taken as a temporary fad. As far as an ideology goes it must be woven into our nations consciousness from a pragmatic stand point. For far to long Feminist have relied upon a adversarial approach which in our nations past has proven to be unsuccessful. Education is the only tool proven effective to end all social ills that hinder our growth. Inside of every Feminist is a woman that didn't get hit on, that didn't have the door held open. A pretty bitch knows the power of her twat.

Well, socalled, when you comment religiously enough on a site that you are part of its (moderately amusing, I admit) drinking game, I'd say agreeing with everything the reviewer says is, in fact, tantamount to licking his proverbial balls.

Is it not possible to agree with someone's opinion without immediately being a sycophant serena? A lot of posters have made their distaste for Heigl as an actress known in the past (as well as their reasoning for that dislike); does the fact that the reviewer also shares that extreme dislike equate to them virtually fellating him? And what if, for example, socalled had made his dislike of Heigl known before the reviewer started posting about it? Would re-stating his initial opinion still inspire the same assumptions? Whether or not the assumptions are valid they are personal opinion and two people are perfectly capable of sharing the same one.

Should everyone on the site immediately disagree with the reviewer? Or should all those who actually agree with their scathing and bitchy comments (take a shot please, kids) stay quiet and not "religiously comment" on a site which essentially represents a community that they are, and have long been, a part of?

Yet again people are getting up in arms about a piece of hyperbolic language written for a comedic purpose. I personally have no problem with the woman, or the comments she's made in the media, but even I can see the Christian Bale comparison is a flawed one. Essentially: you're giving me a fucking headache.

Maybe I'm not being clear: it's not hard to keep the hyperbolic language away from her worth as a sexual person (or lack thereof).

Calling her a skank and questioning her sexiness is just kinda skeevy.

And next up in Pajiba news, commenters get angry when there is scathing bitchiness on the site for scathing reviews for bitchy people.

Break out the floral background and put away the swears, it's time to make Pajiba sensitive to people's feelings.

I think people are taking a lot (A LOT) of liberties with the word bitchy. Granted I just ranted against using a narrow definition for the word misogyny in the shit list thread, but labeling hateful and-- yes!-- misogynistic speech "bitchy" is a tad of a stretch, no? (Not to mention ironic!)

You know, I'm a pretentious hipster dickwad who likes movies like Juno and steers clear of movies like this one. And I like to read Pajiba's reviews, scathing bitchery and all. But this is way too much vitriol for a fluff movie.

Criticize the blandness of rom-coms or wilted writing, fine, but dumping this much bile on an actress goes too far. Yeah, I know, she's playing both sides, trying to have her righteousness cake and eat it too, but she's an actress, not a UN representative or president of NOW or whatever elevated role you have in mind for her.

Grab a martini and fucking chill, man.

I can most definitely doubt her passion. Pookie, I hate to break it to you, but just because she's a star doesn't mean her success is warranted or justified. The people who decide those things are no better at it than you or I would be. So forgive me if I don't buy the fact that because she's successful, she's passionate about what she does, or that she's anything beyond passable as an actress.

Admittedly I could be wrong. I have been before. But until I've got some evidence to the contrary, I think I'll stick with what logic tells me.

Smokin, are you trying to tell me that an actor took a role for the money?! Well I NEVER!

I think this is an appropriate time to say "bitch, please."

I have no problem with Dustin's dislike of Heigl. Hell, I don't care for her as an actress myself. What I do have a problem with is how he chose to express that dislike- this is not idontlikeyouinthatway or thebastardly.
Some posters simply expect (a hell of a lot) more from Pajiba than this "whore/slut/skank" drivel.

Yep, people searched Katherine Heigl hate on google and decided to come here & defend her. Again: bitch, please.

"She's an actress, not a UN representative or president of NOW or whatever elevated role you [had] in mind for her." Quite.

oh fuck hillary just won, damn. I need a drink.

Boy oh boy. What the hell is going on around here? Can someone please explain to me what exactly inspired THIS level of vituperation amongst us? Katherine Heigl? I'm telling you people, SHE IS NOT WORTH IT.

Pookie - I adore you. 9 out of 10, you and I are generally on the same page. I just find her acting and her public behavior abhorrent. The stash, break out the stash.

Serena - I don't think she's a skank either. See above. But you piss me off, and I'll tell you why. You can expect more from us, but we can't expect more from her? Oh wait, she's just a regular person like you and me, out there just making a paycheck? BULLSHIT. She's a fucking public figure. If she didn't want her every move publicly analyzed, she should have been a fucking accountant. I'm sorry, but I won't be held to a socio-intellectual standard that is biased and ridiculous. THAT, my dear, is cultural eliteism at its finest. Why should I not hold her to the same standards of expression that you apparently hold all of us to? Because she's famous? Or, because she's a regular person who doesn't have to think about what she says? Bitch, please.

Brtrisk - My personal belief is that Dustin falling back on that argument was more in the way of a literary device and less about what he actually thought. I'm guessing here, but I think his use of such a specious argument was meant to bring to light the superficiality of her comments about Knocked Up in light of her choice to do 27 Dresses. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit (Love you DR!), but knowing how intelligent he and the rest of the people on this site are (generally speaking), I have a hard time believing that hate like that doesn't have a basis in critical thought.

And if I'm wrong, so what? Since when has Pajiba EVER not been about universally pissing on bad films and bad actors, not to mention their convictions?

Smokin - I can only speak for myself, but I have been a Pajiba reader for a LONG ass time (since before the big deletion + resurrection), yet I only comment on reviews if I've actually seen the movie and feel compelled to contribute to the discussion. This doesn't happen often, which is probably why you don't recognize my username.

I've always found the Heigl-hate questionable and irritating, but I stayed out of its way and it gave me the same regard. However, it has slowly grown and grown, and this review was just the last freaking straw; I think the other posters coming out of the woodwork can agree with me here. The moment I opened up Pajiba's homepage and saw the picture and header for this review, my brain practically screamed, "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME."

Enough is enough. First off, the hate just seems entirely unwarranted and baffling. And the fact that it didn't just seep in, but DOMINATED the entire review? Christ. I found it really distasteful and mildly alarming. Look, this is 27 DRESSES. It's not named "The Feminist's Manual to Life". It's a mash-up of How to Lose A Guy In 10 Days and My Best Friend's Wedding, Goddammit. I realize we all come here for the scathiness and the bitchiness, but this particular case left a really bad taste in my mouth.

I take issue with this review and the whole Heigl-hysteria on two points. ONE, I find it sexist. My head hurts so I don't feel like explaining why at this very moment, but I'll gladly come back and expand if I must. However, I'm sure that others can articulate it, and have, much better than me. TWO, I fear that this whole spiel is marking Pajiba's gradual descent into the vile cesspool that is the Celeb-blog and culture.

I'm beginning to find that reviews are focusing more and more on their actors' personal lives. Also, the Pajiba love section has increasingly become muddied with random celeb bullshit. I don't know about you, but I have a deep, unmitigated contempt for those sites and all who frequent and contribute to them. It just pains me to think that Pajiba may be going down that road. When I first found this site, it was smart, witty, and ever-so-slightly snooty. You all pride yourselves on being above the fray, and I love that, so you must realize that stooping to tabloid fodder and celebrity obsession is THE LOWEST of LOWBROW. Don't DO IT! I BEG OF YOU!

P.S. SarahNu: A-FUCKING-men.

P.P.S. I also find it ironic that Dustin used THAT particular photo to illustrate his point, seeing as how it came from an episode of Grey's Anatomy where some douche coworker found a photo from the lingerie spread Heigl's character had done to pay for med school, and plastered it all over the hospital in an effort to humiliate her and shame her into thinking that she couldn't be a respectable doctor AND the girl in that photo at the same time. Hmm.

I've been an avid reader of old and new pajiba articles since I came across this site a month ago. Until this review, I've loved at least a little bit of everything I've read. Maybe I've been misled. This is the most negative review I've read here (and that includes the review of "Captivity"). Hollywood pumps out a lot of crap (especially in January) and I have a hard time believing that "27 Dresses" is the worst of all of these films and deserves such a diatribe. I think ya'll have let your dislike of Heigl (or the desire to make your dislike of Heigl a defining-pajiba-theme) cloud your ability to do anything remotely resembling a movie review. That's why there are so many new commentors on this string - this review is a whole new level of vicious and is not mere "bitchiness". It made me embarrassed to have reccomended this site to friends. Next time, save yourself from what you've portrayed as two hours in your personal hell, write a separate hate-list for Heigl, and let someone with more objectivity review the movie.
To the more experienced posters: Maybe I'm wrong and this review reflects the level of 'intellectual' 'bitching' that pajiba is really about. If that's the case, I have to deal with enough of that shit at law school; I'm out.

So this is what hell looks like.

Yes, TK, yes it is.

Ya know Vermillion, you're being all together too sensible - I really feel you're bringing down the tone of this review's comments section.

I'm not down with the "skank cancer" terminology, but everyone on both sides of this debate should take some deep breaths and realize that this argument stemmed from one actress' role choice in one (probably) vapid, extremely silly paycheck movie. Hell, I know we all love movies and love getting fired up over them, but the amount of energy being expended here that is a direct result of 27 Dresses amazes me.

Anyway, it seems like level heads are now prevailing. I just wanted to give my general impression.

Joker I found these:
http://southernfood.about.com/od/bananacakerecipes/Banana_Cake_Recipes_and_Cupcakes.htm

The sprecht-shit flows freely through these parts. I've only taken one nap today, so I'll catch you kids on the flip-side.

I didn't know Heigl criticized knocked up, she's nothing but a no talent cunt. Please disregard by previous post in which I defended her.

In regards to my post concerning Vermillion, they stand.

So I'm a long time lurker and a long time reader. Go back to a few sections and you will see my name here or there. But that doesn't make the question I ask any less valid.

Why her?

Yes, she does shit. So does half of hollywood. Yes, she's full of herself. She's a PROFESSIONAL ACTRESSES.

I just want to make it clear that in no way am I defending this woman. I hate grey's anatomy and all it stands for. And while she was mildly amusing in Knocked up, and yes, she did hate on the movie that basically made her career, I just don't get -

why this one? Why this particular blond self-absorbed bimbette? Why not a desperate house wife? What did this one do to deserve it.

Once it's explained to me, I'll be happy to help chip in for a bag of flaming poo.

Tolerate, oh you tolerate me? you're like Joaquin Phoenix's character Commodus in Gladiator. Please I hope you give me a thumbs up. Listen honey I was just making a observation about the length and scope of your annoying and pious speech. Maybe you're practicing for your reality show. My point was that you are not the arbiter of what is considered good speech, Claude. Ragamuffin? oh ok.

See, that is what I mean when I say sarcasm isn't easily picked up in text. You sound honestly offended by my remark. Funnily enough, you say nothing about the assertion of dead goat fucking on your part, but that is neither here nor there.

If you are quite honest in your assertions, then fine. I will respond in kind.

Vermillion you are a scab, a union buster.

That makes no sense whatsoever, in or out of context. There is no union for me to bust. There is no anti-Dustin organization, and if there were, I would not be a member of it.

If the masses want to call out anyone that agrees with Dustin a ball licker, well then let them.

And if I want to call them out on being hypocrites, then let me. They complain about the foul language and spiteful remarks, but they are supposed to be immune from the same? Bullshit.

Your long winded speeches are a bit much.

Thank you. I do try very hard, which with my ADD is quite a feat. It is a wonder I lasted this...oooh, grapes!

I like how you accuse people of being vile if they agree with the ball licking comment.

It is quite nasty, if I do say so myself. Why is it if someone defends another, there have to be all these sexual connotation to it? Can't a person be supportive without it being considered a form of sexual gratification? And why would such a thing be considered bad? I would think stimulation of the genital area would be a good thing in most cases.

You were vile when you evoked the names of O.J. Simpson, Michael Vick, and R. Kelly in your accusation that black people will defend anything black.

See now, that is apples and oranges. I made an observation based on the reactions from the public during those cases. Unless somebody has evidence that folks here have been performing fellatio/cunnilingus on the Pajiba staff, I doubt their claims somehow have equal basis. Besides, if the Pajibans have been getting head, I am sorely missing out here.

Also, if you really want to convince me that black folk don't defend their own, then see if you can get Al Sharpton, Whoopi Goldberg, and nearly every black person in their 1990 mindsets (with the exception of Clarence Thomas) to say otherwise. Or you could condemn Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock for making THE SAME EXACT JOKES. I never claimed to be original.

By the way, thanks for letting me take up even more space.

Oh, hell. I go on a roadtrip for a day and look what I miss. I'll catch up tomorrow.... (wanders off to fetch wine glass)

Awwwww shit, Clarence Thomas, I thought so. You couldn't hold that shit in any longer, huh? Listen V, you need to let that self hate and anger go. I'm also sure you're a fan of the Cos, when he's not getting caught up in those untoward sexual peccadilloes (allegedly), from time to time.

How can I honestly respond to dead goat fucking? I mean, I'm sure people in some parts of the world engage in that sort of thing.

As far as the sarcasm statement goes, and me being offended, please. I get offended when people DON'T use sarcasm. I think you got offended when I mentioned your long winded speech, V, I was being sarcastic.

And finally I don't believe you are missing out in getting head.

V, this is great, I've never had this much fun on a Saturday night that didn't involve that chronic.

Serena-

::sighs:: Yes, sweetie, I know how the film industry works. I also know that hair dye doesn't make or break a deal; actors have refused 'minor' things like this before. I've heard of television actors getting the pass on changing their appearances for a film role because of their television role.

I don't really see how I'm supposed to, what, qualify my opinion on this with you? It bugs me that she didn't just refuse to go brunette.

Dustin, aside from all the disdain and Skancer hate and Pajiba board debates and all that jazz, I agree with the rest of the crowd that demands you take a break. I am worried about your health after watching such trite films. Watch some Ingmar Bergman.

PaddyDog: I was all aboard with you on your first review, until...

Legally women used to be considered the same as children (i.e., unable to think for themselves) and honestly, when I see this drivel I wonder if that wasn't the right way to go.

Frankly, it is one thing to comment on the general audience of RomComs, whose consumer patterns dictate Hollywood make more of such drivel. It is another to sound like a bitter prepubescent boy, attempting to sound like a man by reducing half our population to a single brainless undeserving mass. Grow up, kid.

By the way, any straight male who claims that he would not fuck Katherine Heigl, given the opportunity, is lying. There is not a man on this planet who has not considered fucking a jar of orange marmalade just to get off. That's how high male standards are. If any hetero man were faced with KH on the sofa in her skivvies, all this "I don't even find her that attractive" would go away -- pronto.

I can't fathom why sanctimonious hypocrisy in the entertainment industry is more thought-provoking than a child star turning to drugs or why a female with unresolved daddy issues turns out sluttier than thou.

For those prone to sanctimonious hypocrisy, such as repeat offenders "Skank Cancer" and Jessica Alba, my personal belief is the condition can be boiled down to a simple concoction--Combine 1 part hypocrisy provided by human nature, 1 part "Selling of the soul" (literally or metaphorically speaking), 1 part all-consuming denial after said act, added to a prevalent lack of insight and introspection, and finally 1 part provided soap box..... That said, my personal Heighl Hater Meter is set at a pH of 7. Soooo in a word, meh?

I don't get it, are we not allowed now to comment and say that we felt like Dustin's review sort of surprised us with all the whore/bitch/you're not sexy shit as being kind of over the top and actually really not the point?

I don't like Heigl either, she's a fucking awful actress and frankly if I have to even SEE one more commercial for this movie I'm going to gauge my eyes out - talk about over promoting it. Despite the fact that I think she can't act worth a damn and that I think it wasn't terribly smart of her to bite the hand that fed her (Apatow) in such a flip way, I still don't need to resort to putting her in her place, or just expressing my dislike by calling her a whore or a skank. Why would I do that? It has nothing whatsoever to do with how she acts, or how she makes her choices, or even what she says.

So some people are uncomfortable with that, so sue us. I'll still come back and I'll still read Dustin's reviews because you know what, I didn't like his language and I'm hoping I don't see much more of it in the future, but it's his blog and his right to write whatever the fuck he wants. If I find it offensive to a point I can't take then I'll leave.

BUT

It's still my fucking right to say all that shit and to have my opinion, just like it's Dustin's right to publish what he wants here, and just like it's the right of the snobby, elitist, frequent commenter's club people around here to be total shitheads about other people dropping in to say what they think.

Ahh, now that i have had some rest, I am raring to go again. Let's see if we can hit 300 before the day is done!

It is another to sound like a bitter prepubescent boy, attempting to sound like a man by reducing half our population to a single brainless undeserving mass. Grow up, kid.

I find that amazing, since I was under the impression that PaddyDog was an adult female with a sense of irony.

The vitriol should be aimed at Paris, Lyndsay , Jessica S, etc. Not for a lass that seems to have actual talent, despite any 'hypocritical anti-feminist actions' this girl seems to've committed..

Are they really any better targets? Seriously? People completely shit on them for no good reason. Blaming a woman for your football team losing? What the fuck is that? Why don't you burn her at the stake to appease the gods while you are at it? They're not my cup of tea, but I don't see how their actions make them more deserving of hate than Heigl. Especially when taking into account all the defenses mentioned here. So can someone explain to me why Heigl gets to be protected, but the women with obvious issues don't?

I would never fuck a jar of orange marmalade.

grape, on the other hand...

why can't we all just get along?

seriously. reality-check time everyone.

am i the only one who has noticed that this discussion has become saddly comical?

it's like we bypassed light speed and ridiculous speed and went straight to ludicrous speed.

Pardon me for playing the fairly egotistical i'm-above-this-childishness card but, seriously dudes. when i saw the review posted for this film i thought to myself:

"oh, poor Dustin got stuck reviewing another shitty film. it probably sucked. i'm gonna have a sandwich."

and that was it. i didn't even bother to read the review. but then i come back a few hours later and...what. the. fuck?!

do you guys realise that we have wasted more time and posted more comments (and more heated comments) about a fucking Katherine Heigl rom-com than we did for charitable organisations and non-profits? dudes, i think we need to step back and re-evaluate our priorities. i'm actually a little ashamed of us.

in the interests of making nice with everybody so that we can go back to being a united snarky'n'bitchy front against all that ails this world could we try to agree to the following and call it a day?:

1. 27 Dresses is a shitty movie
2. Katherine Heigl isn't a good actress
3. but she is kinda hot and if i didn't know who she was and saw her in a bar i'd probably try to pick her up
4. as funny as it might have been back in November (when Dustin originally "coined" it, and i have some issues with him about this, but more on that later) the phrase, skank cancer and the other dysphemisms used in the review, are actually kinda low-brow, high school level at best, and at worst can offend. i'd like to think that we can be wittier.
5. Katherine Heigl is a bit of a hypocrite
6. i don't think she herself realises this
7. our collective hard-on for Judd Apatow, Seth Rogen et al might be getting out of hand.
8. it's kinda sad that we have spent so much time and effort defending, offending, degrading, upholding a group of people that probably has never heard of Pajiba and in truth couldn't care less what we say or get worked up about.
9. the boil on my ass is also getting out of hand. i should probably lance it but i can't reach it and i doubt i'll find anyone to help me with this. this seriously sucks.

so? whaddya think? -nervously waits for the onslaught
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Are you alright, sir?

Fine. How've you been?

Fine sir.

Good.

It's a good thing you were wearing that helmet.

Yeah.

What should we do now, sir?

Well...are we stopped?

We're stopped, sir.

Good...well why don't we take a five minute break?

Very good, sir.

...Smoke if you got 'em...

Ah shites, see what you've done to me people? You've FRIED MY BRAIN! Sorry, Seth.

I finally find a movie review site I enjoy reading and 8 months after my discovery, it all turns to shit. This review, and about 80% of the responding comments, are so so so disappointing. I expected more of you, Pajibans. I'm surprised the photo of her above doesn't have poorly Photoshopped cocaine coming out of her nose and WHORE written across the front a la Perez Hilton.

Skank, whore, slut, etc. are all terms used to oppress women, and I'm surprised that a site such as this, which frequently links to Feministing, makes lists of kick-ass heroines, and seems to be all-around female friendly would stoop to this level. And SKANK CANCER? Seriously? That is just appalling.

Also so ironic that you are all using these terms to criticize her for not being a good enough feminist. But it's totally ok to use these sexist derogatory terms, because she's just a dirty skank anyway, right?

If I replied to a review of Norbit and said "Eddie Murphy is a damn n-----," could I then defend myself by saying, "Oh, I'm not a racist! I don't hate all black people, just this specific one. He's a waste of a human being. Plus, it's just bitchiness guys. That's the whole point of Pajiba!" Because that's basically how the majority of you are defending your hateful, misogynistic language.

I know nothing about Heigl, and don't care about her either. You can hate on her all you want, I'd just hope that Pajiban criticism would be a bit more witty and articulate than 'skank cancer'. Let's leave petty name calling to Ohnotheydidnt and D-Listed.

Please? I'd hate to have to go searching for a new movie site.

"Dearie," "sweetie," AND "my dear"?
It's like I won the condescension jackpot.

Rainbow Assassin?

you are an evil-hearted sadist, Dustin. my family has been persecuted and slaughtered by colourfully dressed ninjas for generations and now you mock my pain with this.

i hope you rot in hell.

Thanks for the apology, Dustin. Ah, what an adventure this site is!

hmmm...i see that after my post you ammended Rainbow Assassin to be "killer of rainbows", not "colourfully dressed ninja".

are you just trying to placate me?

well it worked, you scoundrel. you can placate me any time.

A truce sounds wonderful, Smokin.

For the record, I understand why the quote can be read as more than "wholly inoffensive." I think I defended her critique of the movie so vehemently because (though I absolutely loved Knocked Up) I felt a bit squeamish about it's portrayal of women myself. But that is, of course, a whole 'nother issue.

And I wish I could explain my own behavior. I was unrepentantly bitchy throughout this thread, yeesh. Reading it over is giving me a lovely shameful feeling.

ain't nothin' like America's good ol' freedom of speech.

Mr. Rowles, I find life is a lot simpler if you don't go around apologizing for any little incident that might be construed as assholery.

Just a thought.

I like Rainbow Assassin! S.C. made me a little sqeamish, more for the S. part than the C. part, though I can see how the latter might hit close to home for some.

Unrelated note, just saw Juno on Friday, and it really, really lived up to everyone's praise!!

Gotta go, about to take a nation-wide trivia test...wish me luck!

BSlim, that's all you got? I check here, read ALL these comments, waiting for your scathing bitchiness and.. that? Talk about no pay off. I'm better off watch Patty and SoCalled get in on.

Well BSlim as many were quick to point out Pajiba does link to Feministing a lot and more than a few there do like to pull out the misogyny card at the slightest whim.

misogyny is a hatred of women in general. if you just happen to hate a certain woman, that's not misogyny. if throughout your life you show nothing but disrespect and hatred for everyone woman that's come your way, that's misogyny. cant people be allowed to hate one another freely in this day and age?

You've completely demonstrated my point, Jordan.

As far as I can tell, I don't think anyone here took issue with the fact that the reviewer hates Heigl. Most of the people who took issue with the review didn't seem to like Heigl either or didn't really know who she was. However, it is possible to write a completely scathing review and express your hatred for Heigl without using slurs.

See my Eddie Murphy reference above. Say I hated the movie Norbit, and called Murphy a N------. Is this acceptable? Can I say, using your own argument, that I don't hate any black man that comes my way, just Murphy, and therefore using this term does not make me a racist?

Like it or not, skank, whore, and slut are all slurs used to OPPRESS women. Using these terms not only insult Heigl, but any woman reading this site. You can hate Heigl and insult her all you want, I don't think anyone is taking issue with that, but using this type of sexist language to do so is what makes someone a misogynist.

Besides the offensiveness of the language used, I come to Pajiba for a more witty and clever review of a movie than the average film site. Petty name calling is neither witty nor clever, and is more suited for a site like Perez Hilton than Pajiba. I want a more high brow hatefulness for Hollywood bullshit!

P.S. Thanks for the apology and new hilarious Heigl nickname, Dustin. I am 100% back to my Pajiba-loving ways.

Having had the opportunity to read all the comments:

There's no way anyone can convince me that most of those that came out the woodwork to defend SKANK CANCER are just all the way up SKANK CANCER's ass.
They find her pretty, they find her witty they love Grey's and they love this pile of shit movie.
And, as far I'm concerned, if Dustin Rowles is gonna be a pussy and retire S K A N K C A N C E R from the Pajalexicon it doesn't mean that I am. I'm so adamant about ragging on Skank Cancer now that you are going to think it's a career.

Can someone explain "Massengill Mouth" to me? I like how it sounds as an insult, but I admit I don't get what you're going for. Ta muchly.

**pokes head in**

Ducks to avoid the flying spittle. Shakes her head.

Quietly closes the door, but not before snickering quietly.

Rainbow Assassin, i.e. Killer of Rainbows

And in one fell swoop, in an attempt to soothe the hurt feelings of those who by now should know better, you have offended Skittles lovers eveywhere.

Suck to be you Dustin

Go Big Blue!!!!!

And as the exact other extreme of what he used to be.

And aged fairly quickly.

Stephanie, as much as I appreciate your argument, comparing terms like Skank Cancer to N*****, it is misguided. Putting aside Chris Rock's argument that there are indeed black people and N*****, you are mixing apples and oranges. Whore, skank, slut, et al. are terms used to describe a certain type of woman. These terms have never been adopted by an entire nation to describe all women in conjunction with kidnapping these women from another country and forcing them to be slaves, etc. I dont think that Heigl deserves to be called Skank Cancer, nor most women for that matter, but I have met a "lady" or two in my time who were 1. Skanks and 2. Cancers. Just like I am sure you have met men who are dicks, assholes, pricks, tools, asswipes, wankers, jerkoffs, bastards...

"Like it or not, skank, whore, and slut are all slurs used to OPPRESS women. Using these terms not only insult Heigl, but any woman reading this site. You can hate Heigl and insult her all you want, I don't think anyone is taking issue with that, but using this type of sexist language to do so is what makes someone a misogynist."

But what if the particular woman in question actually *is* a skank, whore, or slut? I may be alone here, but I don't find any of those words to be equatable to the n-word. (I'm black and female, not that it matters... although I mentioned so somewhere in the back of my pea brain, I must think it matters.)

Sometimes shit is just funny. Dustin's original review was full of hyperbole and was funny. And, I didn't feel insulted by the use of these words, so either I'm too stupid to know that I've been insulted (and somehow, I think I'm smart enough o know when I have or have not been insulted, so that's not it) or the use of the words do not, in fact, insult any woman reading this site. The words insult particular women reading this site.

I had just read the shit list about the use of the word misogyny and read through all these comments and thought to myself, "here it comes." Sometimes shit is just funny. Full stop.

There. I have officially delurked myself. I don't know shit about html tags or any of this, so I apologize for the arcane use of quotation marks.

Dustin, when I shoot my love juice and it hits a bitch in the eye. I don't apologize to the bitch, that's the price she pays for doing business with me.

But what if the particular woman in question actually *is* a skank, whore, or slut? I may be alone here, but I don't find any of those words to be equatable to the n-word.

These words are meant to repress a woman's sexuality, and are therefore words of oppression.

The question I ask you is, what makes a woman a skank, whore, or slut?

It just all goes back to the idea that sexuality is sin, and a woman should be ashamed of her sexuality and her body.

Well considering this is a website that thrives on scathing and ranting I don't know how you expect people not to use swears here.

I mean, for you and others skank might be oppressive but for others like me it's just an insult.

Basically, I don't want to see Pajiba castrated so that no one is offended because everyone is going to be offended by something and it's a losing battle to censor it all. I'm sorry that you feel skank is oppressive but I just don't agree. There's a limit to what should be okay to say (like not using the N word) and there's a limit to where you can't censor everything (like dickcheese). Where that line is differs of course but I would think the standard opinion is that Skank isn't a no-no word nor should it be.

And that's my two cents.

Those playing the Pajiba drinking game ought to be dead now due to alcohol poisoning. Farewell, dear friends, tis a much better place that you begin your next journey anew. Amen.

When should women EVER be called skanks?

Answer: When they are!

Exhibit A: Paris Hilton. She is the textbook definition of a skank/slut/whore.

And to those who cried foul after reading the review: I'm happy that someone has at least had the backbone to call Mrs. Heigl for what she is. As a twentysomething woman, I've never felt more insulted or condescended upon than when I watch trailers/movies aimed at women (aka chick flicks). How could the makers and actors of these movies think that they can pit smart, successful, beautiful women as depressed and neurotic unless they find a man? Which leads me back to why my venom is directed at Mrs. Heigl, she has chosen to represent (and therefore cement) this view of women WHILE also complaining of how sexist Hollywood is. Hypocrite much?

In the times of 27 Dresses, Fool's Gold and many such wondrous absurdities, I mourn my V. Mars and Buffy.

i've always found it rather amusing that people (including myself) say "n-word". i thought about typing it out in my previous comment, but couldn't do it.

also, i find the word not only offensive, generally, but also aurally. it sounds dirty.

kind of like moist.

and panties.

You know what I find more offensive to womens are commercials for kitchen appliances or dish soap or laundry detergent that always make women the homemaker.

I mean, that seems more oppressive to women as a whole since it enforces gender roles.

It doesn't matter if, 100 years after the name entered the lexicon, that we choose to say that there was no such dinosaur as a brontosaurs, and they all shall now be called apatosauruses. It doesn't matter if the new one is factually correct -they will always be brontosauruses.

She will always be Skank Cancer. No matter how much you try to call her Rainbow Connection or whatever her new fucking name is.

My only wish, after a long and embittered existence that I can only hope to end by my own hand, is to have the last thing I say be: "I hated Skank Cancer and I'm glad that after 2008 Hollywood came to its senses and relegated her to the Hallmark Channel..."

In exactly that order, and then I'd die.

I feel your pain. I had to see this twice this weekend on the same day, in two adjoining theaters simultaneously while juggling dates with both of my fiancees. While I was there I struck up a conversation with the popcorn counter girl, who it turns out is a quirky romance novelist. I told my analyst that I just can't seem to get her out of my head and I don't know what to do about it. He told me to grow up and commit to at least ONE of my fiancees and he suggested hypnosis to help me make up my mind. However, right before he was supposed to wake me out of my suggestible phase of the procedure, he got an emergency phone call from his wife (who had been framed as a shoplifter by their out-of-control teenage daughter who slipped a diamond bracelet into her mother's purse in Manhattan's most exclusive jewelry store, no less!) and he had to leave.

I waited for an hour, but finally I did decide to leave. On the way out my head was a little foggy I guess, since I stepped out into the street and was hit by a unicyclist with her arms full of wrapped presents for two upcoming weddings she was to attend. Turned out it was that same romance writer from the popcorn concession!

Whew! What a day! And that movie sucked!

I'm fisting myself with rage, Vermillion! I'll have my revenge on you and the house of Vermillion!

I guess if a person lives long enough, he or she will see and hear all kinds of shit. Case in point, the battle between the word Nigger and Skank Cancer. I do not use the word Nigger lightly, I just get a kick out of people using the phrase "N-word" as though that will lessen the intensity of the word. I guess whatever word a person wants to choose as their own personal Vietnam is their business. It has now gotten to the point that white people are more upset than black people when the N-word is used, guilt, who knows? if I were a woman with any self respect, I would certainly get upset if I were called skank/whore/slut. I'm surprised the law firm of freedom of speech and Censorship hadn't jumped in this debate.

All this over a waste of a movie and and "actress." Dustin, I am disappointed that you caved to the pressure. What's the point of Pajiba continuing to exist if a reviewer/commenter cannot freely be bitchy and scathing with reviews and remarks? Everyone seems to have a sort spot, but please don't let the PC police establish a foothold here. If you water things down to try to please everyone, no one will benefit.

As a woman and a cancer survivor, I was in no way offended by your review. I was quite entertained.

It won't be a common practice to offer up apologies, Marianne. But, in this instance, I think the criticism was valid. While going all out on the bitchiness, I do nevertheless try very hard to be sensitive to women's issues in my reviews and, one of the points I was trying to make was how this particular movie contained some anti-feminist themes that didn't sit well with me and how Heigl undermined her own statements about her character in Knocked Up by taking this particular role. So, I can certainly see where I might sound hypocritical myself when using the term "Skank Cancer" to describe woman I felt was being hypocritical about feminist issues. Does that make sense? -- DR

Pook, that is a fascinating topic, and I think it springs from a couple of things, including a healthy sense of self-preservation, born of in-person discussions where one can never be sure that each and every participant will react to the term as an academic expression for purposes of debate. LOL

I can understand your point socalledonlycousins, unfortunately maybe the only place in society that the N-word can be debated is in a academic environment without having to endure any unhealthy entanglements.

TWoP fan, work through it honey. Please don't let those feminist tell you it's not lady like to want to screw your brains out.

I know it's a little late in the game, but I just have to say I completely, %100, agree with Dustin;s review and find KH annoying not because she speaks up, but because she doesn't back it up.

If she wants to be all righteous then she should stop choosing such cliched and offensive female character leads.

As for the term "Skank Cancer" I didn't take offense, but only because I knew Dustin was joking. However I will admit that if anyone called me that I'd be pissed. So there ya go.

It's great that he apologized and realized the term was offensive, but I think everyone should chill out because those that know Dustin, and have read his reviews before know that he is in no way sexist.

"Well, that'd be a moral call and pretty damn judgy of you. Why can't she use her sexuality any damn way she wants? What about the guy? What, 'cause he sees pussy and can't help himself, she's a skank and using her sexuality inappropriately? Bullshit moral calls suck."

Hahaha ... sorry, I don't let the guy off the hook. That guy would come in for plenty of name-calling too. But it's not really a bullshit morality. Cheating and disrespecting relationships are bullshit moves that hurt people, and I would feel free to disapprove of both men and women who engage in such activities. I really don't know anyone, feminist or not, who would disagree with that. All insults are "judgy"; some insults are used primarily for one gender or the other (as I mentioned before, "dick" or "skank"), but all insults are used to deride people for actions or traits that others judge to be inappropriate in some way.

Whatever. I can't remember the first or last time I called another girl a slut or a skank - I don't think I ever have. They're very nasty, charged words, and I've never run across a girl who I thought was worthy of such an insult. I don't make a practice of running down other girls for having sex or dressing provocatively, etc. However, I stand by the idea that they are legitimate insults that apply to specific women, not terms that "oppress" women as a collective group. And I stand by Dustin's right to use such terms in his reviews, and I stand by his decision to retract such terminology in order to present a clearer message and prevent offense to his readers. And now I'm done.

bev rage could you be more specific about which of my previous post left you with the impression that I'd rather deal with a bitch rather than a woman who I considered my equal. Because to be honest with you I'd rather deal with a woman who I considered my equal. In my feeble attempts to be funny I sometimes write silly/demeaning/stupid things. I apologize if I've offended you.

Pookie, you said:

"I'll take a regular bitch over a Feminist any day of the week."

-- effectively qualifying a feminist as worse than a bitch (don't even get me started on that word.)

Maybe you didn't mean that, but I'm sick and tired of the belief that feminists automatically are mean and hate men, or have been rejected by men. Bad attitudes, hate, and bitterness have nothing to do with feminism.

"I'll take a regular bitch over a Feminist any day of the week."

bev rage, how can you take a stupid statement like that serious? Please don't take me so serious, I'm just an asshole living off of my brother down in Miami. I assure you I have the utmost respect for women, even the cunty ones.

*eyes bleeding*

Help me. I just lost hours. Can't find them anywhere.

TK, you shoulda warned me.

I still can't believe that this discussion is going on. It just goes to show how Pajibians feel about the Polychromatic Temptress. Were she more powerful I would call her Tamex, the False Metal or possibly She of the Many Faces.

Is this where sanity and rationale go to die?

Holy crap! I thought it was bad when I left on Friday. I don't think I have enough Advil on me to wade through what obviously became a shit storm of troll-goodness, so I'm out of here...

This is great! I mean, it's Katherine Heigl and over 300 posts. This is what Al Gore should have won the Nobel Peace Prize for. The Internet.

Mrs. Heigl, is that you?

"....Freedom of speech does not give you the right to insult and degrade an inocent woman..."

Au contraire my dear... lady(?), freedom of speech is not only so you can hear only the shit you like. It's so you can read/listen to OUR shit.

This post deserves it's own web site.

And by "world" I mean word. I'm so distraught that now I can't even type.

Dear God...

Someone needs to put a bullet in the back of this thread's head. It's turned into some sort of weird, lawless, "escape from new york" shit.

I mean, how did it get to -

Oh. Hey, B-Slim. I guess that answers my questions.

Oh, and tessmar8, sweetheart, you need to a) look up freedom of speech before you start waving it around, and b) think about your words a bit. I mean, criticizing the writer for being a jerk by calling him a "vile, abhorrent, shit-eating reviewer"... kind kicks your point in the ass, don't you think?

Oh, and c) Learn to fucking spell.

Alright guys, I'm out. See y'all back in non-bizarro Pajiba.

Seriously, the fuck happened here? Do actors really troll these sites to defend themselves?

TK, I agree- this is bizarro world.

But do we get to drink if people start using the "n word?" now? and oh, if I pop BACK into a comment section, do I start drinking all over again? And could my obsession with wanting to keep drinking have something to do with me being unemployed today?

And Lainie, et al, as a feminist myself, I vote we still continue to use skank for the rock of love chicks, especially the one who barely speaks English. yeah, I'm coolio with that.

... I submit these definitions as reason to reinstitute 'SkankCancer' as the nickname for she who will not be named anymore by me since these definitions offer support of the term's inoffensive, descriptive nature.

Posted by: PissBoy at January 24, 2008 1:06 PM
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I'll drink to that. Seriously, though...enough is enough. I'm pretty sure everything that's been needed to be said has been said. I cannot believe this thread still exists. I support another commenter's suggestion to post this to its own site and let the vultures have at it...because, my friends....this here is a dead horse. And it's been very thoroughly beaten. To death. Again. Just...stop....it hurts to breathe the air in here.

hmmm.....I thought this site was about movies, not senseless blabber....there seems to be a lot of anger and hatred in here. Anywho.. I DID see this movie with my mom and we had a great mother/daughter day out (which is something we don't do very often). Katherine Heigl was funny and the chemistry on-screen between her and James Marsden was fun to witness. My only complaint was the actress who played the sister..she seemed to be a bit out of place. Call me a "simpleton" or whatever label you label-lovers want...but I quite enjoyed the movie and all it's girly glory. It was a 'twee bit predictable...but it was cute.

"Juno" is better than "Knocked Up" for EXACTLY the reasons Heigl stated. Juno let me like everyone, even when they were difficult, even when their POVs opposed one another. I even liked Bateman (SPOILER: hey, if the guy was not ready for a kid he was not ready for a kid. Sometimes people have differences and it's not anyone's "fault.") All the women in "Knocked Up" grated on my double-X-chromosome having nerves like the proverbial chalkboard nails, and I am not friends with any women who act like that, singleton, coupled, or otherwise.

(Not to mention the idea of shacking up with a well-meaning pothead, getting into a sexual relationship with him when you have nothing in common with him and don't even like him very much JUST because you got pregnant off a one-night stand is no less ridiculous than the "you have to have a man, NOW" nonsense of 27 Dresses and its ilk. It's like forcing a shotgun wedding on yourself, and how is that not one step away from Puritanism? -- I haven't read anybody seeing this point, which is the only reason I'm posting at this late date. But yeah, that aspect of "Knocked Up" is NOT better than "27 Dresses.")

This is not to say I didn't laugh my ass off at both films ("Juno" and "Knocked Up." I wouldn't see 27 Dresses if you tortured me with fire ants). I did in fact laugh my ass off, probably MORE at Knocked Up, and so for that they were worthwhile, But Heigl's comment was completely accurate and not even all that harsh. (And I don't even like her. I nothing her.) So I side with the get-over-it crowd.

There now.

Whoops, sorry about that. Er... emphasis?

Seems to me the author either has mental issues or tried to be funny a bit too hard. Dunno man, maybe you should consider getting some help? I'm being serious about this.
Hopefully it's just about the thing that the net brings the worst out from people and hate humor is so damn easy.
Made me wanna defend Heigl but I cant. Not really familiar with her work or public image. For all I know she could be the new Hitler. Given the chance, I'd most propably fuck her. Gotta give her that much.