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Stop Whining

By Figgy | Posted Under Eloquent Eloquence | Comments (73)



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Ahoy there, gang!

Are you recovering from your Supra Bowl Sunday Festivities? Are you regretting eating that 15th cheeseball accompanied by that entire side of bacon dipped in mayonnaise? Are you miserable because your team lost and you drowned your sorrows in a vat of lukewarm beer? Cheer up, the world goes on and at least the Puppy Bowl was adorable, right?

Obviously, as I’m writing this at 3pm on Sunday I don’t know who won yet. I don’t like football very much so I’m not terribly excited. All I know is that there’s a team whose fans like to wear giant cheese wedges on their heads, and because I am a fan of both stupid hats and cheese, I’ll be rooting for them. In the battle of life, cheese should always win.

Now, I’m gonna take a minute to actually be serious. Sit down. Look me in the eye. Look at me. I’m gonna tell you (you know who you are) something very serious.

Stop. Whining.

OK? Listen, I don’t know what’s been put into your morning milk lately, but just about every single post these days has some person (usually the same troll or two) whining about the article, or about the writer, or about the comments, or about the font we use or how the air is too airy or the sun is too bright. I mean, Jeebus wept. I know the writers here can take it (they’ve heard way, way worse before, probably from like, their moms), but if I have to read another whiny comment about how a certain post doesn’t cater to your exact specifications and needs, I’m gonna scream into your ear for an hour. And I’m usually pretty good at skipping the whiners, but lately it’s just getting ridiculous. Just have a sense of humor, people. Don’t take things so damn seriously. I, and the rest of the community are begging you to just have some fun.

I know I sound like an old, annoying lady (whining about whining!), but it’s for your own good, really. You’ll live longer if you can learn to laugh things off and not whine so much. I’m trying to do it myself. It takes self-control, but I know if I can do it, so can you. Let’s all just try to take things a little more lightly in ‘11, hmm?

Except when it comes to Ashton Kutcher, because seriously, fuck that guy.

And since I’m getting things off my chest, let’s retire the word “Overrated,” huh? I know you guys are smart enough to think of a better way to describe your dislike for a person or thing than using that stupid, near-meaningless word. You did it with the “bunk” thing, so make me proud.

OK, I’ll shut up now and let you whine away in the comments, because I know you will. But before you do that, read this choice list of great comments and remember what Pajiba is all about: being really, really disgusting (not really, but, you know). And you get an extra 5 for being tasty.

15. Dustin, I have nothing against you, really, in fact I’m sure you’re a lovely guy, but dear god I love nothing more than when you watch a horrible film. Your misery brightens my day, your despair makes me cackle with glee and every tear you shed in boredom is like the Gods’ nectar. I’m sure you’ll be rewarded for your suffering in the next life. You’ll be reborn as The Mighty Smiter of Witless Fucks. —Joker

[I think we all feel the same way, no? Dustin’s pain is our joy.]

14. I find that I find that endgame [a troll] needs some fun in their life. Ride a pony!! That will get the stick out of your ass. Or impale it further. Either way, the Joanna wins. —Julie

[I find that a lot of people could benefit from that advice…]

13. As far as I am concerned, Brian Wilson can go an suck on Tom Arnold’s asshole. The guy is such a douche. He’s come to think that he’s so cool he always has to be ironic or random. I never thought a hipster could play baseball. I thought they were always too busy trying to collect old pairs of Pumas, or trying to develop a pillow fighting league in some shitty squatter’s apartment in Brooklyn.

This guy has become a caricature of himself. Sure hope his shoulder doesn’t explode like a pigeon filled with alka-seltzer…cuz gosh-oh-me-oh-my that would be tragic. —PissBoy

12. Does anyone else like to think of dazed and confused as the childhood story of Tim Lincecum? —Mike

[Confession: I have no idea who Tim Lincecum is. But I was threatened with something or other if I didn’t put this on the list. I assume it’ll be funny to some of you.]

11. Director: Don Dickhausen

What, was Sam Schlongmaison busy? Craig Cockabode not around? Jim Johnsonranch?
I’ll go away now. —D-Day

[Don’t, D-Day. We’d miss you.]

10. Report: Everything can and will kill you. If it feels good, tastes good, or looks good it will kill you that much faster. The most harmless looking object you can think of can kill you. Anything that looks benign is really just lying in wait for a moment of weakness to pounce upon you and kill you. Your pet rock will kill you, that sprig of broccoli will kill you, that rainbow over there yonder will kill you, even your sleeping infant Will. Kill. You. In fact, even your own body is out to get you. In other words, it’s a kill or be killed universe, we are all at the top of everything’s list and no matter what you do something will eventually succeed.

You can sit around in fear of everything worrying about the inevitable or you can beat everything else to the punch and take your self out of the equation first- coz that’ll show ‘em.

Or you can say, “Fuck it”, and just try to to hang around for a while letting the ride take you where it may enjoying every minute of it. Oh sure, you can deny everything out there that might bring you an ounce of pleasure in the hopes of hanging on for a few more collective minutes, but rest assured it won’t be nearly as fun.

PS- Remember kids, Steak & a BJ day is coming March 14th. —bleujayone

[ I just loved the eloquence and truth of this. Also: STEAK DAY!!!]

9. indiscriminate sex is still way less likely to give you cancer than sunbathing.

Just to be on the safe side, I’ll only be using condoms with an SPF rating of 30 or higher. Oh, and be sure to reapply, kids. —branded

[=====* That’s supposed to be a shooting star, but it looks like a pixie stick.]

8. i’m not feeling the brie. i like her on community, but there’s a tiny part of me that wants to punch her in the face a little. i loves the bullock. i just do, goddamnit!

i’m straight as a motherfucker, but i would touch kate winslet where she pees, or, to be grammatically sound and olde englishe “i would touch kate winslet in the area from whence the urine doth floweth.”

sounds classier, i think.

—stopthemadness formerly and currently known as Angry Black Lady

[You’re as classy as your name is long, dear lady. I also love that people will hurt after your lack of capitalization. I like giving.]

7. A parsec is a unit of distance, not time. See, the Millennium Falcon’s navicomputer is its real secret weapon. Traveling through hyperspace is all herky jerky and not a straight line, but the Falcon is very good at plotting out a relatively short route. —Jay

[The nerdiness makes me all tingly!]

6. The lives of several couples and singles in New York intertwine over the course of New Year’s Eve.

I would see this. Yup. I would go out my way to a theater where there’s never any street parking and pay seven bucks to use their underground lot. I’d skip the matinee and leave my old student I.D. at home, just so I could pay full price for a ticket. I would forgo sneaking in a delicious purse burrito to instead pay twice the price of my ticket for a gigantic soda that I won’t drink a third of, a KFC-sized bucket of popcorn that I’ll stop eating after a few bites because a kernel will get lodged in my throat and I’ll spend the rest of the night trying to cough it up, and even some Reese’s Pieces because, dammit, I don’t have enough cavities.

I’d do every last one of those things if they promise that the film takes place on December 31st, 2011… and all of those interconnected asshats (especially the impossibly cute kid that’s always in these shitfests) die at the stroke of midnight on January 1st, 2012 in a symphony of sweet, sweet Mayan apocalyptic destruction.

Hell, if they can promise that Nice Cube and Kutcher’s characters get sucked into a sinkhole filled with fire ants, I’d even bring a friend. -jM

[I’ll supply the fire ants. There’s loads of them in Dallas!]

[This next one’s about poor, maligned Orlando Bloom, from this terrible news post:]

5. The man is a dick. A plank. A dickplank. A useless waste of breath, screen time, bandwidth, gigabytes and wood. —zeke the pig

[Poor Orly. Though that insult is just fantastic.]

4. Poor Scully, he was dead the minute he mentioned retirement. Adding in his daughter’s upcoming graduation and his plans to sail around the world just made it worse…

So remember folks: if you suspect you may be living in a 1980’s action movie and have a close friend who is a one-step-from-suspension supercop (or a retired special forces operative trying to forget his violent past, or a professional thief who’s about to pull one last score before getting out of the game) it’s important to act world-weary and downtrodden. Make comments like “I’m too old for this shit.” Work to become the plucky sidekick, or the comedy relief.

At all costs, don’t let Ret-irony happen to you. Every year 12,740 police officers are gunned down within a week of their retirement, and every year more than 200,000 mooks are killed by their partners in retribution.

—-

This has been a message from the Society for the Preservation and Education of Plot Cliches. —Wintermute

[Another long, but good one (That’s what she—no, sorry.).]

[This one is a…conversation…thing…that came out this post, and I imagine that the snow didn’t help maintain anyone’s sanity. But nevermind where it came from, just enjoy]

3. The proximity of a LHOTP [Little House on the Prairie] reference and “petrol” just made my brain go a little covered wagon. —Ian

Mary was blinded by a velociraptor that wandered into their barn one night in a storm. She tried to give it some old bread crusts and fresh milk and the velociraptor clawed Mary’s eyeballs out of her head with its huge back claws.
Right? —Pinky McLadybits

Silly Pinky, everyone knows it was the dreaded Snow Chupacabra that blinded Mary. —Ian

NO, IAN. The Chupacabra destroyed the livestock and caused the people on the Prairie to start burning witches. Starting with that bitch Nellie Olsen. —Pinky McLadybits

I have an advanced degree in Chupacabra Husbandry and Study of Its Insides. So, you know. That’s why I know Alot about them. —Pinky McLadybits

Cutting one open with your Prairie Lightsaber and curling up inside it does not a degree make. Nice try. —Ian

[…And it went on for a while. Do yourself a favor and read the whole thing, hmm?]

[This next one’s regarding the news—nay! The impossible DREAM of a Con-Air Sequel]

2. I suppose you could just recycle the same plot but put it on a boat or a bus or a train

Do you want Con Air 2: The Speedening? DO YOU? Maybe we should check with Jason Patric’s people*.

* Let’s be honest. Jason Patric doesn’t have people. —branded

Mr Patric has people. They are called creditors and they would like to talk to him about an unresolved matter of 1285.00 remaining on a set of hair plugs from “Glamazon’s house of Chinchilla hair”. —mrcreosote

[Poor Jason Patric. Sandra Bullock should be eternally grateful to him for being the one whose career was destroyed by that movie.]

[Our #1 this week is funny as well as beautifully eloquent. It was actually posted a couple of weeks ago, but I didn’t get a chance to put it on a list last week, and it deserved a list as good as this one. It came from this post (which was pretty eloquent itself and you should read it), and I think it’s the best response to a troll I’ve read, even if the troll will never bother to read it]

1.

:: pushed to the front ::

[muttering] Okay, I said okay! I’ll do it. [clears throat]

Good afternoon [insert name here] the Internet Troll(s).

We here a Pajiba welcome you and your ability to track down websites on which to be inflammatory as well as to type opinions to which you feel we are all entitled. We are an occasionally capricious, but generally consistent bunch. Inclusive of both persons willing to express their opinions and to politely listen to those of others, whether contrary or not, to our own, we quite enjoy witty ripostes and displays of verbal dexterity. If you read carefully, you may even notice occasional literary or film references incorporated to delight the reader. Feel free to reply in glorious verbal technicolour!

By consulting your program, you will find that we have certain banned words here at Pajiba and respectfully ask that you refrain from using them. If you accidentally incorporate one, or all, of them, the Post Comment button has a convenient feature to let you know your error and gently redirect you to an editing station.

We reserve the right to eviscerate your opinions, grammar and syntax with ruthless efficiency.

Should any of the commentary mention a “basement,” I respectfully suggest that you retreat to safe distance.

Thank you and enjoy your stay.

Kisses,

Mrs. Julien

*****

Huzzah!

Congratulations, Mrs Julien, you win for being awesome. It’s easy to dismiss the trolls with a simple “fuck you,” but you did it most eloquently and scathingly. Bravo. You can celebrate as you see fit, so long as you invite me and there’s plenty of Hamm.

So there you go. Don’t forget to wait til next Tuesday to buy all your cheap Valentine’s candy, and don’t forget that even if your team won or lost, you do have to keep on living. Have a good week and try not to have too many nightmares of men in tights with long, flowing locks.

And don’t whine so much, please.

Figgy is a displaced Honduran living in Dallas, TX. She is not Mexican, and chooses Cake. You can read more of her ramblings at her blog or follow her on twitter.









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Comments

Puppy Bowl, I love love love puppy bowl! Shoot I forgot to whine.

Posted by: JuiceinLA at February 7, 2011 3:33 PM

I know the writers here can take it

Yeah they can!!!

Posted by: Fredo at February 7, 2011 3:35 PM

First of all, figgy, my darling. You made the right choice. branded was super ready to steal your Hamm and never return him.

Timmy Lincecum is a pitcher for the San Francisco Giants who got busted for pot possession. Dazed and Confused is all about possessing the drugs. Little Mitch from the movie looks EXACTLY like Timmy. Here's proof:

http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/d1847dcb-418f-4f86-bb4e-9a8bc932a22d.jpg

Posted by: coveredinbees at February 7, 2011 3:38 PM

Mrs. Julien is not American, and chooses Butter Tarts.

Jeff Daniels est deja mort!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 7, 2011 3:39 PM

You're not American?!

Ohmygod, what have I DONE.

Posted by: Figgy at February 7, 2011 3:44 PM

This is a plot, right? A foreigner picking a foreigner for number one? How do I get in on the deal? I have a green card and an accent.

Is it just me or does anyone else love when the fonts go wrong and we all look bold?

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 7, 2011 3:46 PM

Can I whine about how you forgot to close your bold tag?

Posted by: An Atlantan at February 7, 2011 3:47 PM

YOU WILL CATER TO MY NEEDS AND YOU WILL THANK ME FOR THE PRIVELEDGE!

Posted by: superasente at February 7, 2011 3:48 PM

Can I correct your spelling while I'm at it?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 7, 2011 3:51 PM

The nerdiness makes me all tingly!

You ain't the only one.

Posted by: Has a crush on Jay at February 7, 2011 3:53 PM

SCORE, Jay!

Posted by: Figgy at February 7, 2011 4:02 PM

"Inclusive of both persons willing to express their opinions and to politely listen to those of others, whether contrary or not"

You know when I read this the first time, I thought "shit, why is she admitting there are only two people in the Pajibaverse who will listen politely to contrary opinions?"

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 7, 2011 4:27 PM

There is a store off the 401 in Toronto called HIKRAM'S CAR PETS and every single time I drive past it, I think, "Car pet? What the hell is a car pet?"

I guess I could have just said people.

Posted by: Mrs. Jocelyn at February 7, 2011 4:44 PM

AACK! My cover has been blown. Abort! Abort!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 7, 2011 4:46 PM

Mrs. Jocelyn - A car pet is clearly a small pet one keeps in the car--you know, for company on short and long trips. Clearly, these special pets can withstand extreme hot and cold temperatures, as well as, survive on whatever food and beverage scraps they can scavenge from the seats and floor of your car.

Also, please to take a picture and share the link with us?

Posted by: tamatha at February 7, 2011 4:47 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That made my day, little Mrs. J.

Posted by: coveredinbees at February 7, 2011 4:48 PM

Later, if you eat all of your vegetables, I will tell you the story of the stupidest thought I have ever had. It involves Pingu!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 7, 2011 5:04 PM

Clearly, these special pets can withstand extreme hot and cold temperatures, as well as, survive on whatever food and beverage scraps they can scavenge from the seats and floor of your car.

No no, my daughter has already laid claim to that food for when she's waiting in the car while Daddy gambles the mortgage money at the casino. I don't want Child Protective Services snooping around due to concerns about malnutrition.

Posted by: branded at February 7, 2011 5:11 PM

"No no, my daughter has already laid claim to that food for when she's waiting in the car while Daddy gambles the mortgage money at the casino."

Dammit. I knew Mr. PaddyDog had a second family hidden from me. At least now I know why he sometimes comes home at 2 am with soggy Cheerios stuck to the seat of his pants.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 7, 2011 5:15 PM

Ahem! Could we NOT call her "Mrs. J" I am getting disturbing pictures of the lunatic judge from America's Next Top Model winning Eloquent Eloquence and it's freaking me out.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 7, 2011 5:17 PM

Ahem! I was USING the initial in order to cover all her noms de plume.

Posted by: coveredinbees at February 7, 2011 5:24 PM

"Listen, I don’t know what’s been put into your morning milk lately, but just about every single post these days has some person (usually the same troll or two) whining about the article, or about the writer, or about the comments" . . .

Mila is overrated, but not as overrated as Natalie Portman, so if the media has to celebrate someone I'd rather it be Mila who seems cool than that stuck up twat.

Posted by: stump at February 5, 2011 5:25 PM

I think the word 'overrated' is overrated and we should stop using it. It means absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Figgy at February 5, 2011 6:56 PM

Overrated means someone who is given a lot of praise without doing anything for it. I think it's pretty simple and has its place.

Posted by: stump at February 5, 2011 10:06 PM

It's a stupid fucking word and by overusing it, like you do, you're taking away any meaning it might have.

Posted by: Figgy at February 6, 2011 1:26 AM

Oops, feeding the troll. Sorry, Dustin. I blame the tequila.

Posted by: Figgy at February 6, 2011 1:27 AM

Haha, not trolling, just don't think it's a legitimate comment. If you wanted to be constructive, you could probably suggest other words or explain why I might be wrong about those two ladies being overrated. But I think a slightly misguided, bitchy comment fits better with this site's mantra of not having anything intelligent to write and thus acting cunty.

Posted by: stump at February 6, 2011 2:50 AM

So, Figs - CONTRADICT YOURSELF MUCH? Or do you "blame the tequila" on that also?

And this is the Lady in charge of 'Eloquent Eloquence', folks.


Posted by: NOT 'stump' at February 7, 2011 5:45 PM

Well Not 'stump', no soup for you!

Posted by: Pookie at February 7, 2011 6:08 PM

Ah, Pookie, you make me laugh.

Posted by: Jadine at February 7, 2011 6:12 PM

Haaaaa OWNT!

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at February 7, 2011 6:12 PM

FOISTED BY MY OWN PETARD!

*Harakiriintheface*

Posted by: Figgy at February 7, 2011 6:20 PM

Or is that 'hoisted'? I can never remember. Probably because of all the tequila and sobbing into my teacup (yes, tequila in teacups because that is KLASSY) because of meanie trolls. WOE.

Posted by: Figgy at February 7, 2011 6:24 PM

Did Stump even read my letter?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 7, 2011 6:24 PM

Disgusting AND tasty!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skjPUp37HhU

(please don't ban me)

Posted by: snapnhiss at February 7, 2011 6:36 PM

I don't think it can read :(

Posted by: Figgy at February 7, 2011 6:39 PM

Just because you disagree with them, or with how they express their opinion, doesn't mean a commenter is a troll. As far as I understand the term's usage, at least, it's supposed to be used for people whose only intent is to rile another poster (or posters) up and start a flame war.

In summation: Complaining or being honestly contrary do not a troll make.

Posted by: RobP at February 7, 2011 6:44 PM

Listen snapnhiss, what that guy did in that video is no worst than smelling your own farts or admiring that deuce that you dropped after a big meal. I will admit I’m a fan of my work, as I’m sure most people are fans of theirs.

Posted by: Pookie at February 7, 2011 6:52 PM

I'm trying to create a romantic atmosphere here, you jackasses.

*wanders off muttering to herself*

Posted by: Has a crush on Jay at February 7, 2011 7:04 PM

I'll set up a little table for you, with Blue Drink, Wookie centerpieces and Ewok servants.

Parsecs are sexay.

Posted by: Figgy at February 7, 2011 7:10 PM

Agree with RobP.

The only trolls I know of are 8 foot tall with vomit-colored, mottled green flesh who suffer a deadly alergy to fire and acid (but who doesn't these days, amiright).

I submit that Mrs. Juliens letter (though perfect in wit and tone) be adjusted to read:
By consulting the holy book of Pelor, you will find that we have certain banned activities here at Pajiba and respectfully ask that you refrain from murdering our children for your nightly meals. We reserve the right to eviscerate your bulbous, monstrous stomaches with a flaming longsword +2d6.

Obviously it doesn't have the strength of wit that the original letter boasts (and I have yet to meet a Troll who can read common proficiently enough to know the word "respectfully") but it is more befitting the challanges ahead.

Can I get a "Huzzah?"

Posted by: superasente at February 7, 2011 7:12 PM

Thanks, Figgy. Can I get some extra Blue in that Drink?

Posted by: Has a crush on Jay at February 7, 2011 7:15 PM

Listen, and understand. Trolls will kill you. Be it under a bridge, with Sonny Bono, online, in your garden, or in the house while eating chocolate chip cookies. They are deadly. In fact there is no cure for trolls. They spread like a rash, get under your skin, stay with you for life, and never, ever, go away.

The next time a troll come by don't feed it- regardless of time of day, don't get it wet (it easily gets its ego and libido stroked by addressing it), and never get in a fight with it because it can't be bargained with. It can't be logically reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, accountability, intelligence, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you and your thread are dead.

Posted by: bleujayone at February 7, 2011 7:31 PM

Can I give a random compliment? Will anyone notice? Well, here goes:

I really like when the titles of articles are song lyrics. As weird as it sounds, I feel like it gives it a certain depth, another layer. One recent one was "We're Only Human After All" after a great '80s song that I cannot think of right now. I think one of my favorites was one that I don't even know the song or artist to, nor the content of the article. Maybe Dustin wrote it, but the title was "What It Feels(Means?) To Be Real". I wish someone would let me know where that came from.

Anyway, I know this seems off-topic, but when it's a nice off-topic, I figure folks don't mind. Particularly since this is the opposite of whining.

Now off to look into grad schools and senior thesiseses and all of this is just stressing me out and I've got gray in my whiskers now and... d'oh!

Posted by: JAC at February 7, 2011 7:31 PM

I really love this place, I love being able to come here and talk about movies and t.v. and everything else that we talk about. But slowly this place is drowning out the voices that have different opinions than the group as a whole. Dissent is the enemy of groupthink, and groupthink has never advanced anything other than its own shortsightedness. To label someone a troll simply for disagreeing with your point of view is at best arrogant, and at its worst it shows vividly a close mindedness.

Posted by: Pookie at February 7, 2011 8:04 PM

Huzzah!

Am I doing that right?

Posted by: RobP at February 7, 2011 8:10 PM

Hugh Laurie has a very deep philtrum.

Posted by: snapnhiss at February 7, 2011 8:18 PM

Well said, Pookie and Rob P.

Posted by: TWoP_Fan at February 7, 2011 8:34 PM

Just to clarify, trolls are not people who simply disagree with your point of view, they are the ones who come out of nowhere and say the most tactless things and in the most inflammatory way possible for the sole purpose of getting a cheap rise out of people and to get attention for doing little more than being a pest. They offer no real thought behind their arguments- other than wanting to be the ones to start the argument in and of itself. A real troll is not concerned with actually winning an argument, but rather to keep the argument going for as long as possible. Basically, they're troublemakers, shit-disturbers, and just outright annoyances. Y'know, kinda like Amway salespeople.

As for the ones who disagree with you, they are not trolls, but rather something we like to call "wrong".

Posted by: bleujayone at February 7, 2011 8:59 PM

JAC, I don't know about anyone else, but I don't title my recaps, I assume Dustin does. I suspect TK titles him, because they all seem very TK like. And there's the nothing that I don't really know about that subject.

Posted by: TWoP_Fan at February 7, 2011 9:22 PM

Eh, trolling is overrated, don't ya think? Snarky differences of opinion are totally where it's at!

Posted by: meaux at February 7, 2011 9:22 PM

RobP: Needs more arm-waving and "STEVE HOLT!"ing.

JAC: Dustin does my headlines as well. I admit I don't know anything about music.

Posted by: Figgy at February 7, 2011 9:39 PM

Well.....thank you!

Posted by: Jay at February 7, 2011 11:17 PM

you're so right, meaux/Julie. This coming from someone who once shared a blissful ignorance with you in regards to us both not having seen the all-important theatrical releases of 'Dark Knight' and 'Iron Man', choosing instead to indulge ourselves in watching them on plain ol' DVD - I still regret not being able to watch 'em with you & your guy and your cats and turtles and bird books when they finally came out.

But that was before I became a full-time troll, so I hope you appreciate my no longer associating myself with you after being condemned as such by people much more important than the both of us.

For your sake, I remain anonymous.

Posted by: No Meaux Fo' Me at February 7, 2011 11:34 PM

I've been lurking around for a while and, though I see that there are genuinely witty, funny and obviously eloquent people here I've seen something bordering on a mob a mentality start taking over the site.

It seems that when anyone dares to disagree with something a writer says or takes him/her to task then suddenly all the "regulars" jump on them and get all petty and then term troll really is thrown around very loosely. This Eloquent Eloquence made me even more certain that it's not worth it to try to "join" the already established community of folks who spend their time trying to one up each other with their respective comedy routines and who, worse yet, have started to gang up on others who are simply trying to engage in conversation with opposing viewpoints. As inviting (or not) as the Pajiba manifesto was supposed to be what I've seen going on around here makes it ironic, at best.

But I'd better stop lest indirect shots are taken at me in a future EE.

It's like high school all over again, except now The Breakfast Club is the "cool kids" crowd.

I like the writing on this site, mostly and as long as I remain in lurker mode I'm relatively unscathed by the bitchiness/pettiness so I guess I stay for the reviews and not necessarily for anything else.


Posted by: TheLurker at February 7, 2011 11:58 PM

I knew this day was coming when Rowles relinquished his EE duties. EE is more than about who can come up with a witty comment or two. EE is about being able to understand the essence of Pajiba, unfortunately EE has become a private club of insiders hell bent on jerking each other off. EE has become a perversion, a bloated diseased Frankenstein if you will. EE now sits behind a veil.

Posted by: Pookie at February 8, 2011 12:24 AM

I can't have cheap day after Valentine's Day candy. Or cake. I miss cake most of all. Thanks for supplying a space where I can be bitter about this. And I'm a displaced Guatemalan who somehow cannot get these goddamn rednecks to understand why I don't speak Mexican. There, I feel better now.

Posted by: Az at February 8, 2011 12:31 AM

EE now sits behind a veil.

Posted by: Pookie at February 8, 2011 12:24 AM
---
It used to sit behind a velvet rope, but for some reason some irony-proof people had a big problem with that, made Pajiba sound clubby (as if it's not), they said (or so I heard), while I was only trying to get a few laughs by mocking myself for once having been EE #1 and then appointing myself the doorman of "The Club."

So be reeeeeeeal fuckin' careful with that veil, cause I enjoy your comments and would hate to see you get you-know-whatted again.

Posted by: , at February 8, 2011 1:15 AM

I think utilizing a Dickfilter™ would prevent some of this friction that's going on. Take a second before you post, read over what you've written, and ask yourself, "Do I sound . . . like a dick?". Because, although you are likely not a dick, and you have no dick-ish intentions, your tone or choice of words might be dipped in dicksauce. If you come across as dicktorial, other people are naturally going to get defensive, or snappy, or what have you.

Disagree at will, just don't be a dick about it. It's been said before, much better than this, I suspect. I just wanted an excuse to write "dick" a bunch of times.

Posted by: Lauren at February 8, 2011 1:33 AM

thanks figgy! first i meet aasif mandvi at whole foods and now this?

i think there's a bottle of whisky that has my name on it.

celebrate good times, bitches. come on!

Posted by: stopthemadness aka Angry Black Lady at February 8, 2011 2:39 AM

Huh; first time I've made this list. Glad I decided to stop my years-long lurking campaign. Thanks Figgy.

Posted by: zeke the pig at February 8, 2011 4:30 AM

"No Meaux"! Buddy, I'm glad to know you're still hanging around these parts--and I shan't divulge your secret identity, but I well remember that discussion. And while I find it hard to believe you've become an actual troll, from now on I will look out for a well-spoken dissenter in the comments (on the increasingly rare occasions that I get to read them...stupid work).

Posted by: meaux at February 8, 2011 6:08 AM

Meh, EE has always been pretentious and self-congratulatory. I commented about it nearly two years ago and had a flock of harpies try to eviscerate me. I've learned to mostly avoid this column since cliques have annoyed me ever since high school back in the Taft era but here I am. Masochism is my middle name.

Posted by: snapnhiss at February 8, 2011 6:53 AM

It seems that when anyone dares to disagree with something a writer says or takes him/her to task then suddenly all the "regulars" jump on them and get all petty and then term troll really is thrown around very loosely.

Agree 100%. And I say that as a "regular." Judging from the way some people react to a little polite dissension, you'd think they were witnessing actual mutiny on the high sea.

Posted by: superasente at February 8, 2011 7:55 AM

As a long-time lurker who's just starting to post, I have to agree with Pookie, Rob P. and others. Sometimes it seems to be forgotten that some people simply read a post, then comment on it. Trolls are trolls, and fair enough. I've seen a few of them (one who came on ripping on all the "Liberals" on the site comes to mind), but I've also seen people called trolls when they fail to have read the last 57 posts by the writer, and haven't done their Pajiba-search (which is the Pajiba version of research, in case you couldn't guess).
It does come off sometimes as "hey, this isn't our opinion, where does this guy get off?". I think taking the higher ground in this case would be to ignore the person... act as if the comment isn't there. Either that, or respond to the commenter in terms that they can understand. Otherwise, it's like the cool just-turned-21 kids in their favorite bar, elbow-nudging and all, saying "hey, get a load of this loser. Watch me be all clever and witty and make a fool of him, all inside-jokey-like".

I love this site, community included, but it's very daunting to try to comment when you know that there's a chance that instead of being part of a discussion, you'll be decidedly excluded from the discussion if you have an unpopular opinion.

If you don't agree with someone, explain why. Using words like "troll" or "whiner" are just ways of attacking credibility as an alternative to dealing with their comments through actual discussion. In lieu of that, maybe we could have a Pajiba citizenship exam where posters earn their usernames.

Posted by: JohnnyBee at February 8, 2011 8:33 AM

I can't help but see
An unfortunate lack of
Haikus on EE

Posted by: Kargoyle at February 8, 2011 8:55 AM

OK I wanted to clear up a couple of things (if anyone's still catching up here):

1) I apologize for calling spud a troll. It was immature and reactionary. I dismissed him/her in the dumbest way possible. I admit that I was just exhausted and frankly annoyed at that point, as I'd been reading post after post of people complaining about the articles or the writers. So, I am sorry and won't do it again.

2) On that note: I still stand by my point that whining about the quality of the article, or whining about how something or other doesn't meet your exact expectations is incredibly annoying. It smacks of a sense of entitlement, and no one likes that. People complain if Dustin's reviews are too short, that Dan's reviews are too "mean" (Yes, people have said that), that Pajiba Love is too dirty, that's it not clean enough, that the list is too dumb or too serious, and on, and on, and on. It's exhausting.

3) On that note, of course the regulars are going to rise up and fight you on it. This is a community that stands up for their own, and though it would be better if we could ignore it and leave them to stew in their own hatred, sometimes it can't be helped. Obviously, I did it myself. I think it's just a natural response from any internet community, and this one is particularly defensive of its people.

4) I really, really hate the word "overrated". Have I mentioned that yet?

Posted by: Figgy at February 8, 2011 10:13 AM

I love you, Kargoyle.

Posted by: Smokin at February 8, 2011 10:59 AM

Now that Figgy has survived the attempted coup last night. I think that we should all come together and make Pajiba a more open environment.

Posted by: Pookie at February 8, 2011 11:31 AM

2) On that note: I still stand by my point that whining about the quality of the article, or whining about how something or other doesn't meet your exact expectations is incredibly annoying.It smacks of a sense of entitlement, and no one likes that. People complain if Dustin's reviews are too short, that Dan's reviews are too "mean" (Yes, people have said that), that Pajiba Love is too dirty, that's it not clean enough, that the list is too dumb or too serious, and on, and on, and on. It's exhausting. - Figgy

I'm going to go ahead and assume at least part of this is referring to me, specifically in regards to my lament that Dustin's review of The Roommate lacked substance. It wasn't "whining" on my part, simply a critique on that particular review which I didn't think lived up to this site's, or Dustin's own, standards and abilities. I was merely saying I thought he could have done more to evisercate the movie, and more successfully. For me, the review itself was a let down, that's all. If expecting greatness from this site is a crime, then lock me up and throw away the key. I demand consistent radassitude because I know this site is capable of it.

"Whining" would've been me disagreeing with the content of Dustin's review, which I didn't. Because I haven't seen the movie. "Whining" would have included statements like, "I wasted my time for this?!" Or, "This review was so unhelpful, I feel like I have to spend all my hard earned cash to go see this puerile crap -- thanks for nothing!"

As for a sense of "entitlement?" I'd argue the shoe is on the other foot when the one making that claim witlessly berates others for dissenting.

Posted by: RobP at February 8, 2011 11:34 AM

Is this like high school? YES/NO

1. Thinking I was one of the cool kids and it turns out I'm a complete asshole. YES.
2. Self awareness about #1. NO
3. Bitchy. YES
4. Hormonal. YES, but just this week.
5. Drinking a vile concoction for $10. NO, but I’m not a guy.
6. Defending people. YES and NO. A rare breed, but my beyond wonderful nephew broke a kid’s jaw for picking on the “weird” girl last year. Lucky punch, but still.
7. Wasting time that should be spent getting work done. YES
8. Being not as funny as you think you are? YES

In other news, it turns out you can go home again.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 8, 2011 11:40 AM

Is anyone still reading this? My opinion echoes that of Lauren, except I'd call it a jerkbag filter. There are dissenters (RobP, for the record, I have never once seen you state an opinion in a less than constructive, or at least well supported manner), and there are definitely capital-T Trolls (FatHead Todd et al), but there are also some sort of middle of the road Jerkbags who just kind of do drive by negs, some of a more stinging variety. Maybe once to come by and say "I liked Feist better" or "EE is a major circle jerk" without any expansion on that, got it. But I see some people who consider it their internet cross-to-bear to come by EVERY Pajiba Love or every EE and say the same things. It's not trolling per se, but I can understand Figgy's and some others' reaction, because for some of us here a lot, on a tired day those drive bys just kind of jump out at you as pointless and fatiguing. It's not wrong to have opinions, but if you're going to be negative, at least mix it up a little. "Is this really what needs to be said, or am I just Jerkbaggin' it up?"

Posted by: Ian at February 8, 2011 12:07 PM

Figgy, I appreciate that you might have a different perspective on the comments than most of us (after all, your assignment is to read every one of them), but it feels like your complaints about whining are somewhat exagerated. For every comment lamenting the failure of a review, there are half a dozen comments championing it. It's not as if the comments are overwhelmingly negative. And if they are, maybe you should consider that the commenters have a point.

Some of us didn't like the "review" for The Woman; many of us expect more than expletives when reading a review. I understand they were churning out reviews fast and furious that week, and I understand that Dustin was disgusted with the movie (though his reason for viewing something he must've known he would hate still eludes me), but for those of us who are used to the typically thoughtful and poignant reviews, it was a sharp disappointment. Even worse, Dustin actually did have quite a bit to say about both the film-maker and the film. If he had just taken a few hours, he might not have had that (self-admitted) knee-jerk reaction.

So what is whining to you? Look at my comment; is this whining because I don't agree with you? Should the readership just mindlessly support whatever the "overlords" put in front of us? Should we change our expectations to better align with the site's capabilities? Maybe the comments portion of the page should be eradicated all-together if an open forum and a free exchange of ideas aren't actually welcome.

Maybe we should just go to another website and read their intelligent and poingent reviews.

Is this place a community? Absolutely. But should it be a walled community? Should we be a xenophobic community? Or should we open the gates and develop an appreciation for dissenting opinions? I'd rather be a part of a community that promotes an intelligent exchange of ideas than one that ostracizes others by calling them whiners and trolls.

Posted by: superasente at February 8, 2011 12:59 PM

Smokin, thanks for that.
A lot of free time at work.
I'll stop now. Maybe.

Posted by: Kargoyle at February 8, 2011 1:46 PM

I still love the puppy bowl. Don't ban me.

Posted by: JuiceinLA at February 8, 2011 2:41 PM

Did you deliberately use House to get me to read this post? You did, didn't you?

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at February 8, 2011 2:58 PM

It's like the Mad Hatter and the Hare are fighting over the organization of the crazy ass tea party and Alice is having a shit fit, threatening to throttle the door mouse and drown his flea laden body in honey tea if it continues - maddening awesomeness.

But everyone has made crumpet finger licking good points.

P.S. - I imagine the pronounciation of "Mrs. J" to sound something like Harley Quinn from Batman when she calls the Joker, Mr. Jay.

Posted by: TVConnoisseur at February 8, 2011 3:52 PM

"In the battle of life, cheese should always win."

The cheese stands alone.

Posted by: dahlia6 at February 9, 2011 12:38 AM

Ian, apparently I'm a part time jerkbag. I've done a few hit and runs here but I don't have the time or inclination to expand on "I miss Feist" because really, that doesn't need any explanation. In any case, I accept my assholiness, it's part of who I am at this point. Hopefully I don't come across as a troll but the definition seems to be very elastic here so I'm not going to fret about it.

Posted by: snapnhiss at February 9, 2011 7:37 AM