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Your Favorite Independent Films

An Afternoon Comment Diversion / Dustin Rowles

Comment Diversions | February 25, 2009 | Comments (131)


We’re going to return, tomorrow, to our Best/Worst of the Aughts comment diversions, but today, we’re running a special comment diversion to help a reader out. Emily is heading up Baylor University’s Independent Film Festival. Independent Film is kind of a foreign notion to folks in Waco, where they think Indies are sequels to Harrison Ford archeology films. I’ll let Emily explain her predicament:

“I need to find 5-8 awesome independent films to present to the student body in a festival that will raise awareness to the fact that there are other movies than those that involve explosions or chicks with problems finding men. While my school is conservative in some areas, I want to press the envelope with what these folks have seen and perhaps change their opinion on what a “good” movie is. I also need a couple of more family friendly movies to show to actual families (we’re presenting movies during the student-parent day thingy).

If you could please present this request to the wonderful, beautiful and loving readers of Pajiba in an ‘Afternoon Comment Diversion’ I would forever be grateful.”

So, your mission: Name some great independent films, as well as some that wouldn’t offend the parents too terribly. That means, Spanking the Monkey is out. My suggestion: Half Nelson.









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Comments

Is Emily looking for strictly American indies, or are foreign ones acceptable as well?

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at February 25, 2009 3:37 PM

Amelie

Run Lola Run

Secretary

The Sea Inside

Posted by: annoyingmouse at February 25, 2009 3:40 PM

Hmmm...Mine are Waitress, Little Miss Sunshine and Shelter, the only gay movie nit named "Brokeback Mountain" to never have sucked.

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at February 25, 2009 3:40 PM

All the Real Girls
Junebug
Once
Rocket Science
The Station Agent
Raising Victor Vargas
Waitress

Not sure if all of these count as indie...I think they should.

Posted by: Julie at February 25, 2009 3:41 PM

Lars and the Real Girl

Also, second the love for Little Miss Sunshine. Those are the first two that come to mind; could probably come up with more if I had time to give this any thought at all.

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 25, 2009 3:45 PM

Work some Wes Anderson in there.
And most importantly BRICK.
Brick Brick Brick.
Do it.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at February 25, 2009 3:45 PM

This is tough because I keep wanting to name movies that would cause people who don't watch indie films to never visit their local art house again...

Any of Wes Anderson's films, however, seem like a good introduction to the idea that kooky stars like Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller can actually be in something intelligent. I guess Rushmore is the best bet?

Posted by: Macafee at February 25, 2009 3:46 PM

Speaking of the Gosling... United States of Leland, Junebug, or Imaginary Heroes... all great films.

Posted by: Tbone at February 25, 2009 3:46 PM

Is Once an independent flick? If it is, I'd say that's a really good one. I don't know how family friendly it is. I think kids would be pretty bored, but it's not all sexified or violent.

Posted by: Lainey at February 25, 2009 3:47 PM

I know Miyazaki films probably aren't strictly "independent" now that they're distributed through Disney, but I find that a lot of folks in East Texas have never heard of them so for the family friendly films I would recommend "My Neighbor Totorro" and "Sprited Away". I recently watched "Kiki's Delivery Service" for the first time ever and while I enjoyed it, I doubt the folks at Baylor would get behind the whole witch thing. I think "MNT" and "SA" might even be a little too out there as far as Japanese "sprituality" (for lack of a better word) goes, but I own "MNT" and both my kids (5 and 9) watch it regularly. I don't know if "The Iron Giant" qualifies an an indie film either - it's probably more of a commercially unsuccessful mainstream film - but it is one great film that no one should have a problem watching.


I, personally, really like "Gerry" with Matt Damon and Casey Affleck. It's very slow and admittedly starts off boring but I really got in to it quickly.


Other than that my mind is drawing a blank although I usually love indie and foreign films. I'm sure others will have much better selections than me anyway.

Posted by: elsie at February 25, 2009 3:48 PM

Indie Film vs "Indy" film. Know the difference.

Otherwise you might get trapped in the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Fuck.

Posted by: Odnon at February 25, 2009 3:51 PM

Recent good ones:

Brick
Bottle Rocket (the most indie of Wes Andersons films and still great or sub Rushmore if you want higher quality)
Junebug
The Station Agent
Run Lola Run

Those are some good recent ones.

Posted by: BAM at February 25, 2009 3:52 PM

Ooh, ooh... Seconding "The Station Agent", previsouly mentioned above. I will watch that movie anytime it's on and have seen it at least 4 or 5 times. Also, I really liked "The Believer" with Ryan Gosling where he plays a skinhead that is really a closeted Jew. Absolutely one of my favorites.

Posted by: elsie at February 25, 2009 3:54 PM

freeway (best reese witherspoon)
idiocracy
donnie darko
royal tenenbaums
big trouble little china
the jerk
beetlejuice
v for vendetta
i heart huckabees
drop dead gorgeous
easy rider

not sure they're all indie....

Posted by: maxpurr9 at February 25, 2009 3:58 PM

I really can't add anything but a third or whatever we're at now for Brick and Little Miss Sunshine. The broken horn on the VW kills me every time.

Posted by: admin at February 25, 2009 3:59 PM

well off the top of my head I'd go with:

Brick
Thank You for Smoking
Memento
Primer (can't get any more indie than this and I think it might have been made in Texas. But I'm too lazy to check right now.)

Posted by: the other kafka at February 25, 2009 4:00 PM

I am limiting to only English Language Films:

Comedy:

Waiting for Guffman (fave)

Eagle vs. Shark

Being john Malkovich

Relationship movies ( I mean human relationship, not romance):

All the real girls (fave)

The Station Agent

Me and you and everyone we know

TransAmerica


Intense Dramas:

Ghost Dog

Breaking the Waves (fave)

Pi

Blue Velvet

Family Friendly:

Little Miss Sunshine

The Visitor (my fave)

Happy Go Lucky

Frozen River

Posted by: MissSmilla at February 25, 2009 4:01 PM

Primer.

Posted by: Sean at February 25, 2009 4:02 PM

Un Chien Andalou or better yet, L'age D'or (as a kind of way to tell your audience, "Fuck you, we're going on a ride here..." Chien is short but Gaston Modot is deviant in L'Age D'Or. It's your call though as they are silent films.

Definite home runs:

Once Were Warriors
The House of Yes
Memento
Bananas
Blue Velvet

Depending on the artsiness of your audience

Barton Fink
American Splendor
The Squid and The Whale
Primer
Hard Candy

It seems a shame to exclude Cassavetes, Jarmusch, Winterbottom, Bottle Rocket or Henry Fool; but they'll get those rewards the deeper they go on their own.

Also consider having an indie comedy fest. There are plenty out there. I only exclude them because they are a little too perfect to highlight the strengths of indie film. Say Super Troopers, Office Space, Election, Saved!, Best In Show.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at February 25, 2009 4:03 PM

Whatever you do, regardless of any recommendations, ignoring anything you might hear otherwise...

DO NOT SHOW GUMMO.
DO NOT SHOW GUMMO.
DO NOT SHOW GUMMO.
DO NOT SHOW BUFFALO 66.
DO NOT SHOW BUFFALO 66.
DO NOT SHOW BUFFALO 66.
DO NOT SHOW THE BROWN BUNNY.
DO NOT SHOW THE BROWN BUNNY.
DO NOT SHOW THE BROWN BUNNY.

Posted by: Skitz at February 25, 2009 4:04 PM

"The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" is a very good foreign film if you want to go that route.


I think I will give this a rest now, as this is my third post, and I really need to get some work done.

Posted by: elsie at February 25, 2009 4:04 PM

I think when giving recommendations for this, we have to keep our audience in mind, not just name our favorites. Am I wrong in that Baylor is a private, Baptist University? Not that Baptists can't enjoy independent film, but for these recs I'd say we should keep content and "appropriateness" in mind maybe moreseo than we would for a general audience. The idea is to draw them to independent film, not scare them away.

That said, my favorite movie that I've always considered an independent film but that may not actually be is Muriel's Wedding. Is it? I guess I've always just thought of it that way ever since I had a friend refer to it as, "You know, that weird movie tinmo likes."

If we're going to start them out with Wes Anderson, it's gotta be The Royal Tennenbaums, his most accessible (and in my opinion, his best) film. Bottle Rocket is good but is not the way to introduce Anderson to people who are new to independents.

Posted by: tinmo at February 25, 2009 4:07 PM

River's Edge - 1986
The Waterdance - 1992
Killing Zoe - 1994

Posted by: Skitz at February 25, 2009 4:10 PM

I'd say:

Lars and the Real Girl
Brick
Waitress
Pan's Labrynth
The Return

Posted by: zygomatique at February 25, 2009 4:12 PM

Initially I started this comment to disagree with Little Miss Sunshine, but as I mentally prepared my argument, I found that as I listed things, I kept saying to myself "well no, actually that was a positive aspect." And it had enough of an impact on me that I remembered stuff from the film to make a list, which I think is a mark of a good film. I just think it's overhyped.

Anyway, my list (though some of these I wouldn't consider "Indie"):

-Clerks. but WILL offend the parents.
-In America
-Trainspotting
-Shallow Grave
-Garden State
-Resivior Dogs
-Usual Suspects
-Lost In Translation
-Grosse Point Blank

Posted by: UnlesstheMoonFalls at February 25, 2009 4:13 PM

Freeway
Lars and the Real Girl
Amelie
Brick
Delicatessen
City of Lost Children
Waitress
Legend of 1900
Run Lola Run
Waiting for Guffman
La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc(1928)

Posted by: dammitjanet at February 25, 2009 4:14 PM

Maybe my list was more part indie, part foreign? For your purposes, probably the same thing.

Posted by: zygomatique at February 25, 2009 4:14 PM

Oh, and Happy, Texas

Posted by: dammitjanet at February 25, 2009 4:15 PM

P.S. I don't care how many people recommend it, do not show Brick. They, especially if they are a popcorn/blockbuster crowd, will hate it. They will run away screaming from independent film if you spring that one on them.

Posted by: tinmo at February 25, 2009 4:15 PM

I forgot to add Whale Rider

Posted by: UnlesstheMoonFalls at February 25, 2009 4:15 PM

I'm confused on what "indie" means in this case, but I'd add "The Constant Gardener". Also "Cube" unless you are shying away from thrillers.

Posted by: TylerDFC at February 25, 2009 4:16 PM

Junebug
Love Liza
Brick
Ghost World
Rushmore (if that counts as "Independent")
Green Street Hooligans

Posted by: dmo at February 25, 2009 4:19 PM

Hmmm...many things with Jeremy Renner or Rory Cochrane in them =D

Good luck with the fest

Posted by: Nadine at February 25, 2009 4:19 PM

My Life As A Dog

Spanking the Monkey

Shallow Grave

Raise the Red Lantern

Metropolis

Posted by: Cindy at February 25, 2009 4:20 PM

Shit, Skitz. I forgot about Buffalo 66. Definitely!

Posted by: dmo at February 25, 2009 4:21 PM

being john malkovich
little miss sunshine
memento

Posted by: figgy at February 25, 2009 4:22 PM

Or they can walk out, tinmo.

Family friendly is usually, though I'll give you not always, antithetical to independent film. Independent filmmakers shouldn't consider whether people are gonna walk out of their movies. This also means that they shouldn't make crap, but so far as subject matter goes, the Waco film fest should have challenging films. I think it would be a mistake to show just what fits most households.

Though I do think its a good idea to stay out of foreign languages. We are talking about Texans here. It doesn't matter that they're in school!

Oh, jeez. Why don't you go over and slow pull Eric Stoltz if you like him so much, Skitz.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at February 25, 2009 4:22 PM

'Waiting for Guffman,' 'Lars and the Real Girl,' and 'Being John Malkovich,' are all good movies.

I'd suggest 'Love, Liza' or 'Before the Devil Knows You're Dead,' just because Phillip Seymour Hoffman is my favorite actor in the whole wide world. Love, Liza is probably the most heartbreakingly sad yet unintentionally funny movie I've seen in a while. You feel so badly for the guy (the movie is about a man whose wife committed suicide) but can't help but laugh at his gas huffing antics (oh, he huffs gas to cope.)

Weird, but made me want to buy a model airplane.
"Do you know who I am?! I'm a BIG fan of remote control!"

Posted by: Porkchop at February 25, 2009 4:24 PM

Dark Star circa 1974 directed by John Carpenter. I'm pretty sure that was an indie and will certainly be one of the few sci-fi comedies in these comments.

Posted by: ed newman at February 25, 2009 4:25 PM

I will second Pi. I just watched it for the first time a few weeks age, and it's amazing. It reminded me a lot of La Jetee, which is another good one. It's very different, non-offensive, but really really good. (That actually refers to both of them...)

I also loved City of Lost Children, any of the Guest oeuvre, Run Lola Run, Brick, Waitress, Being John Malkovich, alot of the other titles listed here are great. I will add that I loved Buffalo 66 despite Skitz' recriminations.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at February 25, 2009 4:26 PM

The Visitor
Son of Rambow
Saved!
Harold and Maude
The Graduate
Reality Bites
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
Do The Right Thing
Before Sunrise
Before Sunset
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Hard Candy
Bend it Like Beckham
Benny and Joon
Iron Jawed Angels
Royal Tenenbaums
The Big Kahuana

Excellent Docs
The Business of Being Born
Riding Giants
My Kid Could Paint That
No End in Sight
Jesus Camp

Posted by: Katie at February 25, 2009 4:26 PM

scotland, pa

Posted by: melia at February 25, 2009 4:27 PM

People seem confused about the premise behind this list. "Family friendly" and accessible don't immediately spring to mind when I think of Memento.

Christopher Guest films (Waiting for Guffman and Best in Show particularly) seem like another good bet.

Posted by: Macafee at February 25, 2009 4:27 PM

brother from another planet

down by law

secrets and lies

pink flamingos

do the right thing (indie?)

raising arizona (indie?)

harold and maude

eraserhead

and many others i love that have already been mentioned, like guffman, real girls, station agent, lars, etc...
i'm assuming you want english language. if not, then i could expand the list greatly.

Posted by: celery at February 25, 2009 4:32 PM

I agree with so many of the above films, but Dummy has a special place for me: Andrian Brody being a total but endearing weirdo, Vera Farmiga, Ileana Douglas, and Mila Jovovich singing punk-rock-klezmer.

Posted by: foursweatervests at February 25, 2009 4:34 PM

Wristcutters
Sideways

both deliciously good.

Posted by: Colin at February 25, 2009 4:35 PM

But Jackseppelin, we're not talking about the filmmakers here. Of course they shouldn't pull any punches when they're doing their thing. We're talking about the intended audience: a very conservative, Christian environment, in Texas, no less. I've been to the Baylor campus and I live in Missouri. I know whereof I speak. If I'm trying to get a certain group excited about independents, I'm going to choose carefully. I'm not gonna start out with the "hard stuff," so to speak. I'm going to try to draw them in with quality flicks that might just be a hint more accessible and less "off-putting" than others. The hopefully it'll spark an interest and they'll find other stuff on their own. There's nothing wrong with attempting not to alienate your audience right from the start. I mean, Trainspotting? Love Liza? Have ya'll ever been to Waco?

Posted by: tinmo at February 25, 2009 4:35 PM

perhaps i stretched the notion of "family friendly", but my parents exposed me to mature themes (minus graphic sex and violence) and i'm grateful for that.

i think that kids can handle more sophisticated topics than those to which they're usually exposed. but if you're talking about *really* little kids, then... i'm sorry for you!

Posted by: celery at February 25, 2009 4:36 PM

perhaps i stretched the notion of "family friendly", but my parents exposed me to mature themes (minus graphic sex and violence) and i'm grateful for that.

i think that kids can handle more sophisticated topics than those to which they're usually exposed. but if you're talking about *really* little kids, then... i'm sorry for you!

should probably at least mention cassavetes, even if you can't show him... faces, shadows, a woman under the influence.

Posted by: celery at February 25, 2009 4:37 PM

Friends With Money
Amelie
Sideways
I'm Reed Fish
Saved

Posted by: Nanook at February 25, 2009 4:38 PM

So far, I think Katie's is a very good and thorough list that would appeal to a wide audience such as you might have at your festival.

(She's a good girl, and thorough)

Posted by: tinmo at February 25, 2009 4:42 PM

I don't know if I would agree with Pink Flamingos... I mean, I loved that movie, but John Waters has a ... special audience. For his earlier work, anyway. Polyester might work.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at February 25, 2009 4:44 PM

Definitely Rushmore, definitely Being John Malkovich. They both approach indie from very different perspectives, I've always thought.

Aside from those its a personal choice...your choices if you want to keep it relatively clean are, well, relatively few. I never thought about it, but most of the indies I like all deal with something nefarious, or shocking, or uncouth.

That being said, here's my short list, including the two films above:

Amelie
Drugstore Cowboy
Memento
Secret Ballot
Gods and Monsters

There are more, and perhaps better indies out there...I left off Little Miss Sunshine and Election, two of my personal faves, just because of their level of exposure.

Posted by: Smokin at February 25, 2009 4:45 PM

I love, love, love Alejandro Amenabar's "Thesis"--absolutely fun thriller.

Posted by: Baby Friday at February 25, 2009 4:46 PM

Damn, Clerks has become so embedded in my psyche I'd forgotten it was an indie. Is it just me or was that movie always on in the background in every dorm room/college apartment from at least 1998-2004. Anyway, non-offensive indies:
Amelie
Little Miss Sunshine
Saving Face

Posted by: s. pisaster at February 25, 2009 4:48 PM

Gummo.
When it was screened in my university's senior level class full of FILM STUDIES MAJORS, half the class walked out.

That being said, I love it and have had many deep conversations about the possible meanings of duct-tape on the nipples.

Posted by: Annie at February 25, 2009 4:55 PM

Oh and The Apostle...man that was a good show.

Posted by: Smokin at February 25, 2009 4:59 PM

"Why don't you go over and slow pull Eric Stoltz if you like him so much, Skitz."

Well maybe I already have, Jackseppelin... And maybe, just maybe, he let me wear the Rocky Dennis prosthetics the whole time...

Posted by: Skitz at February 25, 2009 5:08 PM

I'd add
Blood Simple
Paris, TX
as accessible to this audience

And Emily, please do let us know what you actually decide to show.

Posted by: Drake at February 25, 2009 5:27 PM

Let it be said again and again and again:::

ALL THE REAL GIRLS


There may no better indie film out there, it's David Gordon Green's masterpiece.

Also, someone mentioned River's Edge. That movie is a freakin' masterpiece as well. Those two should definitely be shown. And of course, the greatest film of the 1980s, Blue Velvet.

ALL THE REAL GIRLS
RIVER'S EDGE
BLUE VELVET

Posted by: William B Roy at February 25, 2009 5:29 PM

The obvious answer:
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

Though you can't go wrong with Amelie, The Royal Tenenbaums, Fargo, Lars and the Real Girl, Little Miss Sunshine, Blue Velvet and my personal favorites Lost in Translation and Me and You and Everyone We Know. And there you go, a list of independent movies/my list of personal favorite movies. Wow, funny how they coincide.

Posted by: Kamikaze Feminist at February 25, 2009 5:33 PM

I'm going to leave off foreign films because they're indie by dint of US parochialism, not distribution or finance (face it, half the studio pictures of the last twenty years have been financed out of Germany, so finance doesn't count. It's all about distribution).

Plus, y'all need to distinguish between indie and cult.

Anyways, in roughly chronological order:
Detour 1945, directed by Edgar Ulmar, released by PRC. Low budget, nasty noir. Really exceptional.
The Shooting 1967, Monte Hellman directing Jack Nicholson, financed by Roger Corman. About as indie as it is possible to get.
Pink Flamingos, 1972, John Waters's most memorable early effort. Waters is probably the best example of someone consistently successfully working outside Hollywood.
Eraserhead, 1977, David Lynch's piece of exceptional weirdness. Can you think of any film that better deserves the title "Indie"?
Return of the Secaucus Seven 1982, not because it's a particularly good movie, but because it was early Sayles, and he pretty much wrote the book on indie in the 80's. Plus, it spawned studio imitations like The Big Chill. So, obvs it was influential.
Blood Simple 1984. The reason the Coen's became indie darlings in the first place. Still one of their best films.
Do The Right Thing, 1989, Spike Lee's most coherent film.
Drugstore Cowboy, 1989, Gus Van Zandt's real claim to fame.
Bottle Rocket, 1996, Wes Anderson's first full-length feature.
Citizen Ruth, 1996, Alexander Payne's seldom seen first feature for the Weinsteins, which is the best film about abortion ever made.
Pi, 1998, Aronovsky's best workBeing John Malkovich, 1999, one of my all-time favorite films. Read the first draft script and see how it was almost a disaster - saved by Spike Jonze.
Memento, 2000, Chris Nolan's exceptional film distributed by Newmarket.
The Station Agent, 2003. I hesitate to suggest this although I love it, because it was distributed by Miramax late in the piece, after they were acquired by Disney, which sort of makes it not Indie. But it was started before the acquisition, so I think it counts.
American Splendor2003. Berman/Pulcini. Innovative, charming.
Thank You For Smoking, by Jason Reitman, 2005. Near perfect first film.

Yeah, I'm a snob and a pedant.

Posted by: rocky at February 25, 2009 5:36 PM

jeux d'enfants
not sure if it's independent.
amores perros.
don't care if it's independent.
lars and the real girl. lars and the real girl. lars and the real girl.
and memento. god i need to re-watch that.
el laberinto del fauno.
la habitación de fermat.

and clue! is clue an independent film?

Posted by: pitufina at February 25, 2009 5:48 PM

oo! and i 5th (7th?) the station agent.

Posted by: pitufina at February 25, 2009 5:51 PM

Half Nelson!! for realsie.

Garden State
Scotland, PA

Posted by: Dre at February 25, 2009 6:05 PM

Party Girl (you have to include a Parker Possie movie)

Posted by: TST at February 25, 2009 6:09 PM

was Babe independent? i saw that a couple months back, and you really cant appreciate the pure genius of it as a kid. way better when youve grown up a bit.

Posted by: farik at February 25, 2009 6:58 PM

i second whale rider. or The Fast Runner. or Yeelen, but good luck finding that one.

do NOT show brick. the dialogue in that... es demasiado, man

Posted by: farik at February 25, 2009 7:01 PM

-gypsy 83
-the reflecting skin
-female trouble

Posted by: guiltypartner at February 25, 2009 7:24 PM

I'd just like take a minute to plug my own Indie film:

"Writer's Block 2: The......"

Posted by: Odnon at February 25, 2009 7:27 PM

Brick is great but don't forget The Lookout,another of Gorden-Levitt's great indie movies.
More recently, Frozen River epitomizes what "indie" films are all about.

Posted by: clocker at February 25, 2009 7:27 PM

1. Brick
2. Memento
3. Donnie Darko
4. Rosencrantz and guildenstern are dead
5. The Station Agent
6. No Man's Land

Posted by: Codger at February 25, 2009 7:37 PM

Just chiming in to agree with tinmo. Waco/Baylor is incredibly conservative even for Texas. There was a time in the not to distant past that the school's morality code banned homosexuality. Last year during election season, someone hung a noose from a tree outside a student building. And DANCING was banned on campus until a few years ago.

I wish I were kidding. Challenging is good...but seriously, baby steps people.

Posted by: Koolickle at February 25, 2009 7:40 PM

rocky definitely hit on something with the Sayles rec. I think that's a much better direction for this audience than a lot of the mindfucks. Give them some identifiable human drama, populated with strong characters who are also usually decent people, in settings that Hollywood doesn't bother with. That's what Sayles is all about. Lone Star would be an absolute slam dunk there in Texas, and The Secret of Roan Inish would be a great family film.

Another great indy family-friendly film is The Straight Story.

Posted by: sansho1 at February 25, 2009 7:58 PM

Umm, whoops on the boldness....

Posted by: sansho1 at February 25, 2009 8:00 PM

Oh thank you all so much! It is great seeing Pajiba helping me out with my problem, I knew ya'll were a caring people! Haha, who am I kidding.
So yeah, I know Baylor is conservative and everything, but we're still going to try to push the envelope with some of our movies. While we're not going to show Gummo or the Pink Flamingos (OHMGOD GUMMO- the scariest thing I have ever freaking watched and it isn't even a horror film!), we do want to show a couple of more "edgy" independent films. For example- while it isn't the most "indie" thing out there I really want to present Chasing Amy. It's by Kevin Smith, and anything to get more people to watch him is getting in God's good graces, and it deals with homosexuality in what I believe to be an intelligent and grown-up way. And I really want to show a gay movie at Baylor. The main thing I want to do is show the gambit of indie movies- or as much as I can with only the weekend I have to show them in. Everything from white bread to rye, I want people to know there are other things out there.
So far I only for sure know we are showing either The Texas Chain Saw Massacre or Night of the Living Dead at a midnight showing. I really want to show Brick, even though as some have said the dialogue is ...... Also I completely second the Whale Rider love- but I'm trying to decide if it is independent or foreign. After first looking into doing this and thinking, "I'm not going to be able to find a lot of good independent movies," (this is when Gummo was one of the only indie films I had seen) I'm now trying to narrow the field and cut away some of my favorites. Like Lars and the Real Girl- Oh, how I love you Ryan Gosling, our babies would be beautiful- might give way to Blood Simple. The decision is becoming almost too hard to make.
Thank you all for your help, and I will keep the wonderful, beautiful, and alcoholic community of Pajiba updated.
Emily

Posted by: Emily at February 25, 2009 8:09 PM

Oh thank you all so much! It is great seeing Pajiba helping me out with my problem, I knew ya'll were a caring people! Haha, who am I kidding.

So yeah, I know Baylor is conservative and everything, but we're still going to try to push the envelope with some of our movies. While we're not going to show Gummo or the Pink Flamingos (OHMGOD GUMMO- the scariest thing I have ever freaking watched and it isn't even a horror film!), we do want to show a couple of more "edgy" independent films. For example- while it isn't the most "indie" thing out there I really want to present Chasing Amy. It's by Kevin Smith, and anything to get more people to watch him is getting in God's good graces, and it deals with homosexuality in what I believe to be an intelligent and grown-up way. And I really want to show a gay movie at Baylor. The main thing I want to do is show the gambit of indie movies- or as much as I can with only the weekend I have to show them in. Everything from white bread to rye, I want people to know there are other things out there.

So far I only for sure know we are showing either The Texas Chain Saw Massacre or Night of the Living Dead at a midnight showing. I really want to show Brick, even though as some have said the dialogue is ...... Also I completely second the Whale Rider love- but I'm trying to decide if it is independent or foreign. After first looking into doing this and thinking, "I'm not going to be able to find a lot of good independent movies," (this is when Gummo was one of the only indie films I had seen) I'm now trying to narrow the field and cut away some of my favorites. Like Lars and the Real Girl- Oh, how I love you Ryan Gosling, our babies would be beautiful- might give way to Blood Simple. The decision is becoming almost too hard to make.

Thank you all for your help, and I will keep the wonderful, beautiful, and alcoholic community of Pajiba updated.

Emily

PS. Ok, so we are showing two outdoor screenings on Saturday when the parents are coming- those are the only for sure movies that have to be rated PG-13. Other than that we're fine.

PPS. Yeah, I really don't understand how to post : ) I hope this second post comes out right.

Posted by: Emily at February 25, 2009 8:16 PM

"Bubble," if you're still taking suggestions.

Posted by: mere at February 25, 2009 8:19 PM

Orgazmo.

Posted by: Lucas at February 25, 2009 8:19 PM

Memento was awesome. And Clerks was pretty damn good.

Oh, and a shout-out for the lowest budget good film ever made, Primer. Check it out, it's amazing what a couple of computer engineers can pull off when starting with a $7,000 budget and no training in film-making. Someone ought to give Shane Carruth an actual budget and see what he can do.

"You're talking about making a bigger one."

Posted by: NF at February 25, 2009 8:27 PM

Hey, I don't wanna sound like a queer or nothin', but I think unicorns are kick ass!

Posted by: tinmo at February 25, 2009 8:28 PM

For a conservative Southern Baptist audience I recommend The World's Fastest Indian. While being foreign/indie it has good ol' boy popcorn-crowd pleasing features such as:

Anthony Hopkins
A semi-sport (or at least things being raced)
Based on a true story
Can be classified as feel-good
Shows the value of hard work

It cannot be said enough: as much as I adore Brick, I don't think it's a starter film for the blockbuster crowd. It's dialogue is challenging and it has themes of drug use, murder, premarital sex, teen pregnancy, and drug dealing. NOT family/religion friendly.

On a similar note, Saved! may rub people the wrong way. Pan's Labyrinth will make them cry in a bad way.

Posted by: TryScience at February 25, 2009 9:03 PM

I agree with The Station Agent and Sunshine State.
Also:
The Claim (Winterbottom)
Dead Man
Tully (very small town, mid-Western)

Posted by: melete at February 25, 2009 9:07 PM

Haven't seen anyone mention Hoop Dreams.

Posted by: bucslim at February 25, 2009 9:11 PM

Or The Evil Dead

Posted by: bucslim at February 25, 2009 9:13 PM

Or El Mariachi

Posted by: bucslim at February 25, 2009 9:15 PM

The Straight Story - is that independent?

Posted by: samantha t at February 25, 2009 9:33 PM

Sweetie
Desperate Living
Evil Dead
Down By Law
Drugstore Cowboy

Those are the ones that immediately came to mind

Posted by: imk at February 25, 2009 9:39 PM

Why not pair Brick with Double Indemnity ? Show the influences,and ease them into the dialogue. Plus, an introduction to Billy Wilder-it's a win/win.

Posted by: MrCreosote at February 25, 2009 9:42 PM

Psycho Beach Party.

Seriously. Check it out.

Posted by: popejenn at February 25, 2009 9:57 PM

ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND!

It's not just my favorite indie film, it's my favorite film of any kind. And if you're going to teach about film, and unique film techniques, you can find no better choice!!!

Posted by: AudioSuede at February 25, 2009 10:04 PM

The Straight Story - is that independent?

I think so -- it debuted on the festival circuit and won some Independent Spirit Awards. It plays like an independent flick, at any rate.

Posted by: sansho1 at February 25, 2009 10:15 PM

Ooh, Tully! Good one. I had forgotten about that movie. I thought I was the only one who'd ever seen it.

Posted by: tinmo at February 25, 2009 10:30 PM

Emily - if you want to show people a sweet film that deals with homosexuality then I double my recommendation of Saving Face. It's a really adorable romcom that just happens to be about a lesbian Chinese-American, and freakin' nobody has seen it, which is a shame.
And I don't wanna sound like a queer or nothing, but Depeche Mode rocks.

Posted by: s. pisaster at February 25, 2009 10:36 PM

Ooh...I think "Waiting for Guffmann" would be a great intro to indie film. It's hilarious, not weird and universally appealing.

Posted by: figgy at February 25, 2009 10:41 PM

Safe bets (in that they'll be able to understand everything without subtitles)
The Lookout (I think this one is particularly good - a midwestern morality play)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Donnie Darko

Harder:
Brick
Memento
Shallow Grave

If you want to blow their minds:
Anything by Peter Greenaway, esp:
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover
8 and 1/2 Women
The Pillow Book is beautiful but challenging

Posted by: southwer at February 25, 2009 10:42 PM

OHMYBABY! Depeche Mode is in Saving Face. I have been meaning to see it, the story looks amazing and now that I know fucking Depeche Mode is in it- just rock the boat! Thank you for that tidbit of information s. pisaster, I will be forever grateful. And while I understand everyone's concerns about Baylor=Baptist=conservative Baptist, I still want to show films that push the envelope. Maybe I should give the student body a little bit more credit than what I do. For example I had an interesting conversation with a sorority girl today regarding old black-and-white films.

Emily

Posted by: Emily at February 25, 2009 10:50 PM

oh...actually the Depeche Mode line was from Orgazmo....I was following up Timno's Dave the Lighting Guy quote. But you should still see Saving Face, it's really good.

Posted by: s. pisaster at February 25, 2009 10:57 PM

Oh damn, I missed a diversion. Oh well -- I did a search and no one has mentioned Last Night. It's not my *favorite* independent movie, perhaps, but it's so original and disturbing and stark...I just wanted to be sure to mention it.

Posted by: Louise at February 25, 2009 10:59 PM

In My Skin. Always goes over well at festivals.

And by over well, I mean people passing out, throwing up, and leaving in hysterics. My kind of indie cinema.

And to think, there's nothing overtly violent on screen; just a really great sound design. A very powerful, relevant film. Beautiful to watch, and difficult to forget.

Posted by: Robert at February 25, 2009 11:17 PM

I didn't see anyone mention the post-apocalyptic action-comedy movie "Six String Samurai". I always thought it was screwy harmless fun. It oozes "Indie movie"; A Buddy Holly-esque swordsman hero, bowler hitmen, killer cosmonauts, a bankrupt Red Army, The Angel of Death plays heavy metal, a surfing soundtrack by a Russian band called the "Red Elvises", and a mad dash to Lost Vegas to see who gets crowned the new "King of Rock N Roll".

Posted by: bleujayone at February 26, 2009 12:34 AM

Definitely show The Visitor - that movie was amazing and i first read about it on Pajibes. it's the same director as Station Agent which was also great.

a few others i agree with/add

Easy Rider, Kids, Junebug, Half Nelson, Mysterious Skin (so much), Dead Man (my favorite movie of all times), and i second Shallow Grave, maybe even Trainspotting as an alternative, Memento is awesome, so is Waitress... pretty much I want to hijack your responsibilities here and choose the pictures i think will be most effective on that kind of audience because it could really have a big effect on the way they see things and come to appreciate art. good luck!

Posted by: akr at February 26, 2009 1:13 AM

sorry a bit more 2 cents... american splendor... yes... and Ghost World if that's indie, i think it is. and yes Me and You and Everyone we know - best.

Posted by: akr at February 26, 2009 1:17 AM

- Half Nelson
- Lars and the Real Girl
- The Station Agent
- The Visitor
- George Washington
- You Can Count On Me
- A Slipping Down Life
- Adrift in Manhattan
- The Lives of Others and Whale Rider if they fit the bill

Posted by: Ever at February 26, 2009 1:21 AM

"Dazed and Confused"- This one hasn't been mentioned yet (unless i missed it in comments) but is easily accessible, fun AND set in Texas. Richard Linklater made it after the also great but not as accessible "Slacker". Added bonus of a cast made up of some soon to be very famous folks.

Posted by: wooderson at February 26, 2009 1:28 AM

Hats off to popejenn for the Psycho Beach Party shout out. Truly a fantastic film. I have a few others to add, since gay cinema is being sorely underrepresented here:

Big Eden (family friendly)
Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss
Jeffrey
Girls Will Be Girls
Chasing Amy

And in the realm of non-gay indie cinema:

Junebug
Waitress
The Blair Witch Project
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
House of Yes
Bad Education
Vicky Cristina Barcelona
Cry_Wolf
(eat me...it was a stunning job on such a limited budget)

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at February 26, 2009 1:41 AM

And one more, from the 80s, though I'm not 100% sure it's independent (the production company certainly was)...

Agatha Christie's Evil Under the Sun

Brilliant movie. Brilliant novel. Brilliant acting, especially by Maggie Smith. If studios insist on remaking films, I would love to see a rebirth of Agatha Christie films.

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at February 26, 2009 1:53 AM

The Fast Runner

good call, Atanajurat is a fantastic movie.

others:

dazed and confused
before sunrise
rushmore
living in oblivion
triplets of belleville
city of lost children
man on wire
waltz with bashir
thin blue line (since it's about texas injustice)

Posted by: Soylent Green is Sheeple at February 26, 2009 2:45 AM

Any Troma film.

Posted by: Adam C at February 26, 2009 4:09 AM

Whale Rider - family friendly
Millions - family friendly
My First Mister
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Amelie
Little Miss Sunshine

Posted by: nutmeag at February 26, 2009 8:32 AM

Welcome to the Dollhouse and Little Man Tate

Posted by: it's not Valerie at February 26, 2009 8:32 AM

Suburbia and Rabbit-Proof Fence

Posted by: slip at February 26, 2009 10:09 AM

FUBAR

Posted by: grinder at February 26, 2009 10:28 AM

Eep! Emily said she asked Pajiba for recommendations...not gonna lie, this is awesome.

- another person in the Baylor film club

P.S.: I have a list of favorites. I guess I'll post them here...the second I have two extra seconds to do so.

Posted by: Stef at February 26, 2009 10:37 AM

Shaun of the Dead!!!!!!! Or Fido!!
(I think zombie movies go over well with any crowd)

And while "Brick" is great, I agree to stay away from it. I'm from a small Midwestern town, and every time I recommended this movie, the people HATED it. Take it slow with this audience, and not because they're too stupid to appreciate deeper movies, but because the love of indie films can be an acquired taste.

"Manic" might be a good JGL one to show. I didn't really like "The Lookout."

Gosling is sure to please, so I'd say "Half Nelson" or "Lars and the Real Girl."

As for Wes Anderson, "The Royal Tenenbaums" or "Rushmore" are the way to go.

"Waitress" would certainly be a hit.

Posted by: lucy at February 26, 2009 11:23 AM

Too whomever mentioned "Muriel's Wedding," GOOD CALL! That may have been one of my first small-budget films I ever saw and I absolutely loved it.

Oh, and is "Layer Cake" indie? That movie was BADASS, so I'd throw that in. And "Hot Fuzz" too.

And good family-friendly ones: Rocket Science, Millions, Little Miss Sunshine, Whale Rider.

Posted by: lucy at February 26, 2009 11:28 AM

Optimus Rhyme pretty much said it for me. Brick, and a bit of Wes Anderson. Otherwise, Lars and the Real Girl, Little Miss Sunshine, and because it was my very first, The Adventures of Sebastion Cole. Adrian Grenier all New-Wave'd out- it's a beautiful thing. Also, one of the most sensitive portrayals of transgender parenthood I've ever seen.

Posted by: Sweetie Dahling at February 26, 2009 11:41 AM

george washington
junebug
this is england
northfork
jackpot

Posted by: bree at February 26, 2009 12:04 PM

KISSING JESSICA STEIN. Emily, if you're looking for a movie that deals with gay/lesbian themes, this is PERFECT. It's sweet, funny, and light-hearted. It's less about being a lesbian than it is about being open to love in whatever shape or form it comes in. And yet it still made my conservative, religious friend squirm the whole way through.

Posted by: lucy at February 26, 2009 12:05 PM

the wind that shakes the barley.

i had to check to make sure it was independent, and it is, and it's great. centers on the beginning of the troubles in ireland. beautiful and heartwrenching. and has cillian murphy in it, which automatically makes any movie beautiful and heartwrenching in my book.

Posted by: bree at February 26, 2009 12:13 PM

Metropolis
Waitress
The Station Agent
Right At Your Door
Fido
Subject Two

Posted by: Sharopa at February 26, 2009 1:27 PM

re: Baylor and film content--there are ways we deal with it. IIRC, the last film-related club at BU got thrown off for showing A Clockwork Orange, which is...ouch. So we're a little careful. We almost got in trouble at the beginning of the year over Scarface, but we got around it by having attendees sign a waiver for us (this is for educational purposes/views expressed in films are not necessarily the views of BU/by signing this, you agree not to be offended enough to sue us/really influential films have naughty actions and language sometimes, so deal/etc./etc.). Also, there's the issue of venue. If we end up showing one outdoors on a big inflatable screen in the middle of campus, it probably can't be Zack and Miri Make a Porno. Just sayin'. We'd be off-campus quicker than you could say "fleshlight." Thus, a few of the ones we pick should be pretty family-friendly in case we have an outdoor showing, but if we can push the envelope on the ones we show inside (because good films do sometimes deal with subjects Baylor doesn't always approve of), we will. If the school says no and we can't get them to budge, that's a no. But that doesn't mean we won't ask. ;o)

Emily--Check yer e-mail.

Posted by: Stef at February 26, 2009 8:33 PM

deal with subjects Baylor doesn't always approve of

Nobody mentioned The Basketball Diaries yet in this thread, and it's a damn shame given the illustrious recent history of the Baylor basketball program. Yeah, I may be straining to make a point and New Line isn't an indie anymore, but there still could be a justifiable exception lurking. After all, these paragons of virtue tolerated recruiting violations, extortion and drug abuse in the name of sport...and landed themselves a nice little murder scandal as a result.

I guess my indignation got fired up reading Stef's post about pandering to the puritanical provost.

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 26, 2009 9:55 PM

Baylor University may be "the puritanical provost" but their requests should be respected. Otherwise, how will change ever happen? Showing indies that fit their requirements is stifling, but it's a small step that will hopefully lead to bigger steps. This film festival IS for the students of Baylor, afterall, not for us.

And anyway, shoving artsy movies down their throats and getting all pedantic and making them feel stupid with "you just don't get it" statements isn't going to make them love indie films.

I wish more conservative towns had these festivals! So many small towns just aren't exposed to this sort of thing.

Posted by: lucy at February 27, 2009 9:57 AM

24 Hour Party People
All the Real Girls
Bottle Rocket
Don't Come Knocking
Election
F for Fake
The Foot Fist Way
Frozen River
George Washington
Henry Fool
House of Games (Mamet)
Kicking & Screaming (the Noah Baumbach film)
Lonestar (YES!)
Me and You and Everyone We Know
The Proposition
Quiet City
Red Rock West
Safe Men
Sexy Beast
Shadows (dir. by Cassavetes)
Slacker (since you're in Texas, why not show some Linklater)
Stranger Than Paradise
The Sweet Hereafter
Swimming with Sharks
The Thin Blue Line

Posted by: Harmonov at February 27, 2009 10:14 AM

Secretary ??
really?
you would watch THAT movie with your whole family?

The family-friendly concept is the biggest problem here.... I guess "eternal sunshine...",
Little miss sunshine
The boy in the striped pajamas
Harold and maude??
Lars and the real girl???
I'm not family-friendly

Posted by: mario at February 27, 2009 10:41 AM

YES!!!
The station agent!!!
Guinevere
Away from her ("the notebook" in a less cheesy version)

Posted by: mario at February 27, 2009 10:44 AM

I think things are getting better here in regards to being able to show what we want and have people actually be interested in it. For one, there was a foreign film fest earlier this year that had a pretty nice turnout. And a lot of people complain that the "good" movies never stay for long in Waco. If we show some good movies on campus, people will come.

I don't see how anyone's pandering to anything here--if we really want to show something, we'll fight to be able to show it. But there's got to be something worth fighting for there--as in, it's got to be a good film, not something we're just showing to shock people.

Posted by: Stef at February 27, 2009 4:37 PM

Alright already -- as the instigator of this little eruption I feel compelled to rein in some of the rhetoric.

Unless the event is billed as "Shock Fest" (or the organizers are closet sadists), the stewards of a film festival should absolutely take into consideration the sensibilities of both the audience and the surrounding community (to the extent that the two might differ). So I'm not critical of either Emily's or Stef's efforts here, in spite of my rather pointed barbs at the Baylor administration. Hypocrisy in all its varied forms just really sets me off, though, and I feel awash in it hearing about "them in charge" claiming the moral high ground in banning a film club for showing A Clockwork Orange while tolerating in real life much of the same behavior depicted in that movie within their own Athletic Department. There's my ax, and I'm done grinding it.

I do hope you follow up with a post about what you show at your festival and how it goes over.

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 27, 2009 7:49 PM

I doubt anyone is still reading but for for all it's worth I'll give my t'uppence worth. These are not necessarily my favourites but three which immediately come to mind:

Honeydripper (deals with black America issues and development of the elctric guitar. Very interesting and family friendly)

In Search of a Midnight Kiss (a relationship movie but different not like the stuff Hollywood churns out every week)

A Complete History Of My Sexual Failures (not family friendly but definitely very entertaining)

Posted by: barf at February 28, 2009 6:22 AM

Hey everyone,

Just in case any one decided to come by I just wanted to send in one last thank you. All of your thoughts and suggestions are being considered. I will especially chew over the dialogue regarding "shoving artsy films down folk's throats." We don't want to do that- but I know that I want to slowly expand people's views on what a film is. Believe me I'm probably the least pretentious person you'll ever meet, mostly because my accent doesn't allow me (but if you mix a Prada wallet and a Louis Vuitton bag together I will call you out on it : ) And while I understand that Baylor is a conservative Baptist college and that their ideas should be respected, I still think that we should show at least a couple of "pushing" films- for example something that deals with homosexuality, or maybe even Life of Brian. Maybe we could consider these films to not be an affront to Baylor morals but instead an attempt to tell the students who go to Baylor that do not fit the mold that there are others like them out there, which believe you me is something that a lot of people need to hear. I believe that if we show a variety of films (which is hard to do with only a weekend festival) we can reach a variety of people, and to be quiet honest I do not want to show a completely white bread event.

I want to thank everyone again for their thoughts and considerations, it has been more than helpful and now I have a crap load of movies to add to my ever increasing list. We will keep you informed about our attempt to bring independent films to small town Waco.

Emily

Posted by: Emily at February 28, 2009 12:51 PM


















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