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An Afternoon Comment Diversion / Dustin Rowles

Comment Diversions | March 18, 2009 | Comments (105)


This week’s diversion looks beyond our normal purview. One of our illustrious readers, Todd, suggested we do a comment diversion on people and artists outside of what we normally cover around here. I like that idea. Photographers, painters, sculptors, poets, economists, playwrights, historians, talk-radio hosts, etc.

Todd offered up Arthur Rackham, a book illustrator, which I only know because I have access to Wikipedia. In other words: Here’s your chance to show off, folks. Not only is it allowed, but today, we encourage pretentious name-dropping. Perhaps you can bond over the shared joy of someone the rest of us have never heard of. Put those upper-level grad courses to good use.


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Comments

I'm confused - tell me again how I can wrangle the comment to consist about nothing other than my sexual prowess?

Posted by: Skitz at March 18, 2009 4:09 PM

Brian Friel's heartbreakingly beautiful plays.
Henry Moore's abstract sculptures.
And whoever makes the hot cross buns at Tag's Bakery in Evanston. Makes you wish it were Lent all year round.

Posted by: PaddyDog at March 18, 2009 4:13 PM

Alphonse Mucha, the Czech artist, is pretty much my absolute favorite artist. Also Klimt, but he's much more well known.

I could go really obscure in terms of music (Ligeti or perhaps Hildegaard von Bingen, anyone?) but I actually like Dvorak and Berlioz the best and they're pretty well known.


Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at March 18, 2009 4:20 PM

Genny:

I assumed we don't have to be totally obscure, just not "oh wow Ben Folds is awesome" obvious. Okay, now that the obligatory Ben Folds comment has been made in an arts-related Pajiba diversion, we can get on with it.

Posted by: PaddyDog at March 18, 2009 4:22 PM

Japanese art-deco. The MFA in Boston has a great collection. It's around the time a lot of US artists were first using Japanese images and styles in their art, and it's interesting to see how they were influenced as well.

Posted by: twig at March 18, 2009 4:23 PM

As far as artists I'm a big fan of Michael Parkes. I have 2 of his prints framed, one of them above my computer ("Mars"), the other above the fireplace ("Gargoyles"). Also dig the photography of David Lorenz Winston.

Posted by: TylerDFC at March 18, 2009 4:24 PM

David Caruso's pitch-perfect use of cadence as Horation Cane.
Michael Bay's use of fire and noise as a metaphor for life.
The comedic timing of Jim Belushi.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 18, 2009 4:24 PM

Jerome K. Jerome. Victorian era author of "Three Men In A Boat, Not To Mention The Dog." It's the funniest novel in the English language. It's been made into a movie about 5 times, but you just can't capture the funny writing on film somehow. The last time it was filmed was in the 1970's and it starred Tim Curry and Michael Palin. I wish I could find a copy, but it's disappeared off the face of the earth.

Posted by: BWeaves (from a different IP address) at March 18, 2009 4:25 PM

I'd like to namedrop PissBoy aka John Wiz.(Commandment 4: Thou shalt not reveal your full name on the internets.)

When he's not working his 40 he's an accomplished sculptor, painter, and Special Make-Up Effects artist. He like to tinker with all things creative and happily exploits the lusts of fanboys with his craft. Case in point: A fold-out Hellraiser Chess Set. All pieces (cenobites and such) sculpted, molded, and hand-painted. The board folds up into a large version of the puzzle box. Days and Knights gladly pays ol'Pissy plentiful amounts of money per board and then marks them up to a ridiculous price.

But if i want to be only semi-pretentious instead of bathing in my total "Iamawesomeness" then I will reveal my obsession with James Jamerson and his influence on music and his abillity to generate hit after hit for Motown records.

(and fuck all you bass snobs who think it's wrong to play the instrument with a pick. Mr. Jamerson went both ways and dropped the funk no matter what)

Posted by: PissBoy at March 18, 2009 4:25 PM

I also like Thomas Kinkade. The fucking dude paints light!

Posted by: PissBoy at March 18, 2009 4:27 PM

Well, as a cegep undergrad, I'm at a loss here. So I'm gonna second PissBoy here, if only because I totally wanna name-drop someone who I think may or may not be into watersports.

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at March 18, 2009 4:28 PM

While I am wholeheartedly serious in my love for the three aforementioned things, in order to at least play by the rules, I will now name drop Dean Young.

That dude writes poems like Philip K. Dick writes thirty page non-sequitur acid trips.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 18, 2009 4:28 PM

I met Don Herdzfeldt during the 2005 Animation Show tour, and I thought he was a dick. And kind of pretentious.

Posted by: annoyingmouse at March 18, 2009 4:29 PM

Bweaves: You should check out "To Say Nothing of the Dog" by Connie Willis. It's not based on "3 Men in a Boat" but they do show up and are reference quite a bit. It's a time travel Victorian comedy. Hard to explain but pretty great.

Posted by: TylerDFC at March 18, 2009 4:31 PM

El Greco. Particularly seeing El Entierro del Conde de Orgaz in person was unforgettable. Modern art just doesn't cut it for me.

Posted by: branded at March 18, 2009 4:32 PM

I doubt I know anything obscure anymore, I left all of that knowledge in the hallways of Chestnut Hill College and at the bottom of a pint of Guinness.

René Magritte's The Lovers is my favorite painting, I saw it at a Surrealism exhibit at the Met...he's obviously insanely famous. I adore the Greek and Roman exhibits at the Met, and the Egyptian artifacts at the U Penn Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology. I could spend days there.

My favorite poet is Gerard Manley Hopkins. He was a Jesuit who used sprung rhythm to depict his constant wrestling with his faith, and most of his stuff is incredibly religious. I'm not a practicing Catholic anymore, but somehow his poetry negates the eye-rolling cynic and really moves me.

My favorite playwright is Athol Fugard for writing "Master Harold and the Boys," which touches on race and apartheid.

Posted by: Julie at March 18, 2009 4:32 PM

Our cafeteria used to have a guy named Carl who worked the omelette bar. Never have I seen such mastery of eggs and cheese. Then one day he just disappeared, replaced by mere amateurs. I stopped going to breakfast that day.
He was an Omelette Wizard, had to be a twist, an omelette wizard, had such a supple wrist.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at March 18, 2009 4:33 PM

True Story.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at March 18, 2009 4:34 PM

Michael Bay's use of fire and noise as a metaphor for life.

HA HA HA!

Branded, I loved that one painting by El Greco, View of Toledo...I think I learned about that in high school.

And don't lie PissBoy, you like to tinker WITH fanboys. Sinner.

Posted by: Julie at March 18, 2009 4:36 PM

In my opinion, Michael Giacchino is the finest modern film composer this side of my Ipod. He's come so far in the past couple years he's been working, mainly gaining exposure through the Medal of Honor video game series and JJ Abrams' projects, and goddamn can he crank out a tune. He's a musical chameleon who's work has mimicked John Barry (The Incredibles has a score heavily borrowing influence from Bond themes) to John Williams (Besides Medal of Honor, get your hands on his score to the game "Secret Weapons over Normandy" if you can. I dare you to tell me I'm wrong). He's gained quick traction being adopted as the unofficial third in house composer at Pixar, and is in good company with Randy and Thomas Newman.

Also, Brian Tyler seems to be working himself into a fervor. (Again I'll mention, I'm a fan of his Eagle Eye score.) However, it was unforgivable when they used his music to replace the late Jerry Goldsmith's final score for Timeline. If kept, it would have been the only good thing about a truly shite movie. Still, he did kinda make up for his slight to Maestro Goldsmith by turning out an amazing rendition of his classic Rambo theme in the latest installment of the series last year.

Finally, I think Carter Burwell goes widely unrecognized in the film community, even though he's the freakin' go-to guy for the Coen Brothers! Sure, most of his music for Twilight sucked, but some of it actually convinced me that my mind wasn't being sparkled to death. (Though, for my money, his In Bruges score is MUCH better; and I've always had a soft spot for his Hudsucker Proxy score.)

Posted by: Mike R. at March 18, 2009 4:36 PM

The Kasai Allstars, a band from the Kinshasha region in the Congo. Their album was my favorite of 2008. I'd also plug the Futurians, Tinariwen, The A-Frames (my "mainstream" fave at the moment), The Dead C, Skullflower and Kemmistadt Ysvelt. Oh, and of course, my pseudonym comes from Peter Laughner, the late guitarist of Rocket From the Tombs.

And for artists, I'll name drop Tim Hawkingson, an LA based artist who is almost unnaturally focused on his own body. His "self portrait" opens and closes its eyes and mouth, and extends its ears based on signals it receives from a motion sensor. He's created working clocks out of his hair, fingernails, toothpaste bottles, etc., consructed tiny bird skeletons with his fingernails, and rejiggered an old phonograph player into a Tim Hawkingson signature maker -- the belt turns an arm (attached to a pen) and spits out the artist's signature every twenty seconds (I commandeered one such signature, just so I could say I own an "original" piece of his art, though I've never had the opportunity to brag about that particular accomplishment until now). I later learned one of his pieces (a pen holder shaped like a giant bloodied thumb) was used on a Beck album cover.

Posted by: Laughner at March 18, 2009 4:36 PM

Grayson Perry—ceramicist and transvestite (Claire).

He won the Turner Prize in Britain in 2003.

Awesome!

Posted by: Mrs Smith at March 18, 2009 4:36 PM

To paraphrase:

Francis Wolff!
Francis Wolff!
Francis Wolff!
Francis Wolff!
OOOOOH SHIT!
Francis Wolff!

(Pennie Smith, Robert Doisneau, Anton Corbijn. They're why I've got a camera and black & white film)

Posted by: Jay at March 18, 2009 4:37 PM

Guilty. But only if they let me punch them in the kidney as I climax. The convulsive muscle lock is like a farmer's firm hand on a veinous udder.

Posted by: PissBoy at March 18, 2009 4:38 PM

I spread the gospel of Billy Cobham, one of the premiere jazz/funk fusion drummers. Please ignore everything he did in the 80s, it all comes down to the glorious Total Eclipse album (and the title track) and Funky Thide of Sings.
Freakishly brilliant, perfectly syncopated, and completely amazing. Listen to "Total Eclipse" and tell me when you see God.

Posted by: Sharon at March 18, 2009 4:38 PM

I hope I don't have a pretentious side.

There was a great Cuban singer I used to love seeing live in Fort Lauderdale - Nil Lara. He's the most outside of the norm I can think of at the moment.

Posted by: Cindy at March 18, 2009 4:39 PM

I'll offer up the expressionistic landscapes of late-period George Inness, particularly Sunset at et retat. And the early master of Japanese existential fiction, Kobo Abe.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to make a call. I forgot my mantra.

Posted by: sansho1 at March 18, 2009 4:39 PM

And Grant Green, who Francis Wolff photographed. I don't even pretend to aspire to his guitar playing though (nor almost anyone's, really).

Posted by: Jay at March 18, 2009 4:40 PM

To achieve maximum pretentiousness, I'm going to mention three people I actually know who are doing cool things.

Thom Satterlee -- He's a poet who taught my undergraduate writing classes, and I really like the guy. Plus, his book Burning Wycliff got all kinds of great reviews.

Ray Boltz -- This is my dad, actually. Used to be a famous Christian singer, but he's been totally slaughtered by the Christian music industry because he came out of the closet last September. If you grew up in the church of the 80s and 90s, maybe you remember him. Now that just about every mainstream churchgoer in America has blogged about how hell-bound he is, he could use some positive attention from non-assholes.

Lebowski Podcast -- This is my husband's project, and I'm pretty proud of it. Even if I didn't help plan and record the episodes, I would still listen to what Chalupa does with this podcast all about the Big Lebowski.

Posted by: Liz at March 18, 2009 4:40 PM

architecture, bitches!

past: louis sullivan, turn-of-the-20th-century architect of the marshall fields store in chicago and a string of midwestern banks that captured something undefinedly "american", in the same way that gershwin or copland would later do.

present-ish: fay jones (died a couple years ago) picked up wright's bat of "organic" architecture and hit home runs...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Fay_Jones

frank gehry can suck my dick.

Posted by: matty boy at March 18, 2009 4:45 PM

Art-wise I absolutely love JMW Turner's later paintings of fire and water. The ones that look impressionistic, until you realize he was pre-impressionist and was actually just a trying to create a static image of elements in motion. There's also Joel Peter Witkin who made some seriously freaky staged photos. I can't even describe them, you should just google him. But probably not if you just ate.

Posted by: s. pisaster at March 18, 2009 4:47 PM

TylerDFC: OOOOh!

RE: To Say Nothing Of The Dog.

The author dedicates the book to Robert Heinlein who in "Have Space Suit, Will Travel" first introduced me to Jerome K. Jerome's "Three Men in a Boat, To Say Nothing of the Dog."

I'm going to have to buy this one. Thanks for the heads up!

Posted by: BWeaves (from a different IP address) at March 18, 2009 4:48 PM

I love photographers Edward Weston (especially that insanely sexy bell pepper) and Imogene Cunningham (her work was so dreamy).

Posted by: Lee at March 18, 2009 4:49 PM

Not a "favorite" per se (on account of the weird), but I recently saw the Henry Darger exhibit at the American Folk Art museum in New York, and damned if that wasn't fascinating and haunting (on account of the weird).

Posted by: elizabeth at March 18, 2009 4:51 PM

Ben Allison of the Ben Allison Quartet is quite the badass little jazz dude.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 18, 2009 4:52 PM

Christ, you people are uncultured assholes. Learn a little about art and true beauty, and you'd know there are only two words you need to know:

Anne Geddes.

You know I'm right.

Posted by: TK at March 18, 2009 4:54 PM

I find Ansel Adams to be quite quaint in a black and white kind of way.

Posted by: nordick at March 18, 2009 4:55 PM

She might actually be popular around these parts, but she's pretty obscure among my group of friends - Joanna Newsom. One of the most brilliant lyricists and composers making music right now. She makes me think the harp is worth listening to.

Posted by: kayla at March 18, 2009 5:01 PM

Neil Rogers is my favorite person, for those of you that don’t know he has a radio talk show that is based out of Miami. I started listening to him in high school and never stopped. He is one of the main reasons for me wanting to move back to Miami. He talks about politics, people, sex, sports ( he’s a big horse racing fan).

Art Bell would be my second most favorite person. For those of you that don’t know, Bell is a radio talk show host that talks about government conspiracies, Aliens, and shit like that.

Posted by: Pookie at March 18, 2009 5:05 PM

The architecture of Santiago Calatrava. Breathtaking, spectacular, and inspiring.

The novels of Italo Calvino (Most especially--If on a Winter's Night a Traveler.)

The designs of Gabrielle Bonheur "Coco" Chanel.

And, the music of Juan García Esquivel. Esquivel has been called "The King of Space Age Pop" and "The Busby Berkley of Cocktail Music," and we cribbed the hell out his tunes for our comedy bits on the morning radio show I used to do.

Get to Googlin', bitches!

Posted by: gforcetwo at March 18, 2009 5:11 PM

Anne Geddes

So true, TK. The composition and form that she can create with simply a baby in a bunny costume is breathtaking.

Brava!

Posted by: branded at March 18, 2009 5:12 PM

Brian Friel's heartbreakingly beautiful plays.

Effing right. I was thinking of Translations yesteray, it being St. Patrick's Day and me listening to Blackthorn. Now PaddyDog's mention makes me think that I'm going to dig out the old copy I have upstairs and re-read it.

I don't think I have a highbrow side. I can drink tea with my pinky out, though.

Posted by: Nicole at March 18, 2009 5:15 PM

Paddy, the "absolutely obvious" is why I didn't name Dalí as my favorite. I love his work, it feels like looking at my dreams, but when casting rumors have you played by the same guy who was the sparkly vampire dreamboy of every tween in the country, you're not even a little obscure.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at March 18, 2009 5:15 PM

Ah - missed gforcetwo's comment there. I have tried three times to slog my way through If on a winter's night a traveler and never could. Does that make me a bad person? I was lucky enough to be assigned a paper on his life when we studied him in Modernism class in college, so the prof never knew I didn't read the book.

Posted by: Nicole at March 18, 2009 5:17 PM

See, Branded, I think Geddes' children as animals commentary is pedantic and wholely uninspired. I much prefer her observations on commercialism and the environment as seen in "Smirking Baby Wears a Fucking Cabbage."

Posted by: Julie at March 18, 2009 5:18 PM

Adrienne Kennedy: for her deliriously shattered identity mess of plays.

Hiroshi Mori's Mystery Novels. So intellectual and macabre. Wish they were translated in English or are they?

Parasite: 寄生獣 the Hitoshi Iwaaki's manga about parasitic life form that takes over human head and eat humans and the high-school boy who's right hand turns into one such parasite, albeit an hyper intelligent one. Its truly dark and moving.

Posted by: yocean at March 18, 2009 5:18 PM

Pshaw! If you want to talk illustrators, Rackham's nice, but Harry Clarke's far better, and much darker. Check out his work for Poe's "Tales of Mystery and Imagination." It's perfection.

Not to mention Edmund Dulac (his Arabian Nights is simply divine, as is his Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam), and lest we forget the women, Anne Anderson's spectacular fairy tales.

And Aubrey Beardsley's simply wild!

Posted by: frumpiefox at March 18, 2009 5:21 PM

Art: I went to Barcelona one summer and saw a lot of Gaudí's work. Fucking incredible. He's semi-obscure if you don't live in Spain, I think.

Also, I'm a fan of the Vorticism movement after seeing an exhibit at the Met.

Neither of those were name-dropping, so now I'm going to get into people I know. Derrick Comedy does fantastic stand-up, and they do a weekly free show at a place where I know the guy who does sound and get to sit in the box with him. Whew, that was a lot of words just to sound pretentious and connected about a little-known comedy group.

Also, my parents are friends with Romero Britto, who does super-fun, bright paintings. He also painted a portrait of me for my birthday. Top that, name-droppers!

Posted by: SaBrina at March 18, 2009 5:41 PM

Since that is my only area of quasi-expertise I'll name a bunch of great musicians/bands that more people should listen to: Bohren & der Club of Gore, William Basinski, Earth, The Drift, Maserati, Jacaszek, Gas and Neurosis.

And I'm gonna go with a bunch of names in the field of painting here, even though I don't know that much about fine arts: Victor Safonkin (batshit nuts Russian surrealist), Zdislaw Beksinski (Polish painter/scultpor who created apocalyptical paintings), Neo Rauch (a really vibrant mixture of realism, pop art and some surrealism too) and Caravaggio (I'm not a fan of baroque anything, but his photorealistic, shadowy paintings fascinate me to no end).

Posted by: Popcorn. at March 18, 2009 5:57 PM

@Matty Boy

Fay Jones houses are the best things in Arkansas

Posted by: Arkansan at March 18, 2009 6:05 PM

Damn it, someone stole my thunder with Calatrava, so I'll go wth Luis Barragan and Antoine Predock, both architects in the modernist tradition but with a feel for materials and regions that goes far beyond the stripped boxes of Richard Mier and that bastard Philip Johnson. AAlso the music of El Vez. If you listen to only one activist Latino Elvis impersonator, make it him.

Posted by: MrCresosote at March 18, 2009 6:08 PM

Genny, I do enjoy me some von Bingen, but I have a thing for Gregorian chants (and Latin masses. Agnus Dei, anyone?). Klimt and Mucha are fine, but I prefer Erte, Escher, Gorey, and Frank Lloyd Wright.

If you want some beautiful cinema, you simply must watch Carl Theodore Dreyer.

Posted by: Nadha at March 18, 2009 6:41 PM

I didn't read all the comments, and this may be me being unfashionably late to the party, but the deeper I travel into Steven Sondheim's world the more impressed I am. His compositional elements are obviously impeccable; I don't know many other musical theater composers whose work is regularly performed by opera companies. However, what I'm really digging about his stuff is the way he writes lyrics along with the music that are not only deft, witty, and meaningful, but often rhyme. Like, the whole sentence.

Posted by: Ian at March 18, 2009 6:53 PM

Buildings Breeding's Polish Barely Holds is the most beautiful love song in the world and Voxtrot's The Start of Something is the world's best unknown song. Coby Whitmore is god

Posted by: edo8 at March 18, 2009 6:54 PM

As a photography hobbyist I'm always on the lookout for good photowork. My favorite is not necessarily obscure - she was downright famous back when people got most of their info from print - but nowadays most people have never heard of Margaret Bourke-White. Back in the day, Bourke-White took the photo for the first cover ever of Life Magazine, and most of you have probably seen at least one of her photos documenting the dustbowl region in The Great Depression. And just to tie her into some modern pop culture: the cover of They Might Be Giants' album Flood is a Bourke-White photo from the Ohio River Flood of 1937.

Posted by: Bistro at March 18, 2009 7:18 PM

Nadha, I am glad that another appreciator of Von Bingen visits this site. A very overlooked musical innovator, in my opinion, and an fascinating woman overall.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at March 18, 2009 7:19 PM

I much prefer her observations on commercialism and the environment as seen in "Smirking Baby Wears a Fucking Cabbage."

Julie, I kind of want to marry you a little bit right now.

Posted by: meaux at March 18, 2009 7:29 PM

@Pissboy
Jesus wept! A Hellraiser chess set??????? I'd buy a ridiculously marked up one, but grad students are poor. But seriously, that is just the coolest thing I have ever heard of and I must confirm its existence on the interwebs to satisfy my fangirl lusts.
As for the point of the thread, I love Gregory Euclide's paintings.
Rachmaninov's piano arrangement of The Ruins of Athens: Turkish March is fantastic.

Posted by: osmate77 at March 18, 2009 7:34 PM

Italo Calvino is not really obscure. But he is one of my favorites, too, though my choice for his best work is Invisible Cities. Love that book. It's one of two books I read when I need to calm down for some reason and need a serious distraction to settle my mood.

In the realm of music, I nominate Cristina Branco. Her first album was my introduction to fado, and it's still my favorite. She's not got the most technically amazing voice, but the feeling she puts into her singing is breathtaking.

(I also like Connie Wills' writing, but she's better at short stories than novels, especially comic novels. She just tries too hard in long form.)

Posted by: Wednesday at March 18, 2009 7:46 PM

My tastes aren't generally terrible pretentious - just the way I discuss them is. :-) But I LOVE the illustrations of Kinuko Y. Craft. She does the covers of all of Patricia McKillip's works and they are stunning. So many little things hidden in her lush drawings.

Posted by: KatSings at March 18, 2009 7:50 PM

Nicole, of course that doesn't make you a bad person.

But, we're deducting some serious goddamned pretentiousness points from your total score.

Posted by: gforcetwo at March 18, 2009 7:57 PM

Writer: Gerald Durrell. He was a naturalist first and foremost, but also a heavy-drinking, large-living dynamo of a man. He was a prolific writer, in part because the book royalties kept the zoo he founded in the Channel Islands afloat, writing about animals as well as his dysfunctional family and childhood in Greece. (His older brother, incidentally, was Lawrence Durrell, who is probably more famous as a writer for the Alexandria Quartet.) Loved him since I was a kid: his prose is elegant, rich and devastatingly funny in a bone-dry way.

Music: A lot of people (rightfully) know who Jeff Buckley is, and fans of "world music" might know Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, the Pakistani master of the Sufi musical style called 'quawwali.' I'd recommend either of them in a heartbeat, although quawwali is an acquired taste - I love it because my family is Indian Muslim and I grew up listening to it. But what I specifically wanted to highlight is Jeff Buckley's cover of a Nusrat classic, 'Yeh Jo Halka Halka Suroor Hai,' from the Live at Sin-e tapings. It's a little piece of magic: this American kid singing in PERFECT, pitch perfect Urdu and Punjabi, hitting the ululations and pronunciations perfectly, infusing this melancholy and beautiful song (it's about losing love, drowning your sorrows in wine, among other things) with as much life and verve as Nusrat ever did. I've listened to it a million times and it gets me every single time. Never gets old. That, to me, was Jeff at his pinnacle, and it is INCREDIBLE.

Posted by: lareigna at March 18, 2009 7:59 PM

Also: I second the love for Imogen Cunningham and Margaret Bourke-White.

Posted by: lareigna at March 18, 2009 8:01 PM

Hey! Can we do a thread where everyone writes down their age? Their real age? I mean, who the fuck are these people, really? Undergrads? Nanas? I ned to know!

Also, Tom Stoppard forever and always.

Posted by: Kiki at March 18, 2009 8:09 PM

All of this Margaret Bourke-White love, but nothing for W. Eugene Smith?


/got an "A" in Intro to Photography

/preens

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at March 18, 2009 8:12 PM

August Wilson. Mmm, baby.

Posted by: Lucas at March 18, 2009 8:18 PM

Oh, and Keith Malley/Chemda Khalili (since talk radio hosts is on the list).

Brumski.

Posted by: Lucas at March 18, 2009 8:19 PM

JakesAlterEgo:

I'd completely forgotten about W. Eugene Smith! Thanks for the reminder. A photography teacher of mine LOVED him, and her enthusiasm was infectious. I actually bought a friend of mine a print of 'Dylan' for his study/music room (he plays violin and sometimes wishes he could play electic guitar.)

Posted by: lareigna at March 18, 2009 8:22 PM

Wait just a minute Wednesday!

I get no credit for Calvino, 'cause he's not obscure enough, but douche-garglers are throwing around Geddes, and Bay, and Thomas Effing Kincade, (that's his Christian name), and they get a pass?

If the nuns hadn't beaten me until my spirit was broken, I'd get a smitch huffy about that!

Posted by: gforcetwo at March 18, 2009 8:26 PM

s. pisaster , I'm totally with you about Turner.
Pookie, I used to love driving in my convertible, with the top down, late at night, listening to Art Bell. Good times.

As for music, I have two: Gentle Giant's live Album, "Playing the Foole". Maybe one of the most perfect live albums ever. Those guys were nuts!
And I found a recording of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring that had the ending segment played at pretty much twice the speed we're accustomed to hearing it at. Orchestras of the day couldn't play it that fast, so it just got slowed down. But played at speed, it's a brain ripper!

That's all I got.

Posted by: Odnon at March 18, 2009 8:45 PM

Dorothy Dunnett's Chronicles of Lymond series. Toughest reads I ever enjoyed. Wow. An author that doesn't translate her 16th-c french quotes.

Second toughest read I ever enjoyed: Richard Emerson's two articles "Exchange Theory" parts I and II.

The room of netsuke at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art. Exquisite. Have spent hours in there, putting nose prints on the cases.

Posted by: Gavin at March 18, 2009 9:00 PM

I get no credit for Calvino, 'cause he's not obscure enough, but douche-garglers are throwing around Geddes, and Bay, and Thomas Effing Kincade, (that's his Christian name), and they get a pass?

Aw, c'mon, you just happened to mention one of my favorites.

Now, if someone had mentioned the minor modern masterpiece that is Les Chiens Jouant au Poker, I'd have chimed in on that one, too.

Posted by: Wednesday at March 18, 2009 9:07 PM

francis bacon. dude was fuuuucked up, so naturally i love him to pieces. he has a piece in the moma thats one of my favorites of all time.

also, adrienne rich. she's not particularly obscure (is she? i first learned her in a lit class) but she does have a way with the words.

Posted by: mermily at March 18, 2009 9:09 PM

I always liked the artwork of the gorilla who expressed herself through "sign language."
KOKO you were a genius.

Posted by: c.j. at March 18, 2009 9:09 PM

Scott Smith makes wonderful beers as a one-man operation dba East End Brewing Co. in Pittsburgh, and is a fine and upstanding gentleman as well.

Posted by: bucdaddy at March 18, 2009 9:11 PM

Wait, how can my husband be a fine upstanding gentleman if he is running a brewery in Pittsburgh and I don't know anything about it?

Oh, and add Jean Prouvé, architect and furniture designer. He practically invented pre-fab housing.

Posted by: Mrs Smith at March 18, 2009 9:46 PM

Music: The Avett Brothers and Nickel Creek are great bluegrass bands. John Butler Trio is amazing live. I love The Dirty Three's instrumentals. Rachael Yamagata is a very talented lyricist, as is Anais Mitchell, and their music is lovely. I'm also going to give a shout-out to Club Passim, in Harvard Square, and The Stone Church, on the seacoast of NH, as small venues who deserve love.

Literature: Robert Bly's poetry, in particular his book The Night Abraham Called to the Stars, which I have signed, and Mekeel McBride, an amazing poet who also happened to be my undergrad faculty advisor. I ADORE Jhumpa Lahiri's prose. Suzan-Lori Parks' Topdog/Underdog is a Pulitzer-winning play about race, history, class, and fraternal love in modern America.

Art: Maxfield Parrish has been my mom's favorite painter since I was little, and Augustus St. Gaudens is a fantastic sculptor whose work is famous, even if his name is not (think relief of black Civil War soldiers). I also enjoy Magritte's paintings (Stoppard's got a great one-act that circles around his art).

Posted by: Ariel at March 18, 2009 10:17 PM

How did I miss this? Oh, right, I was busy as hell today.

Well, here's some stuff I love: the glass art of Dale Chihuly. It's amazing, and almost alive. Seriously, check his stuff out if you like glass sculpture. He's not obscure in the glass world; he's rather famous for his chandeliers, one of which hangs in the Victoria & Albert Museum and I got to see a few in person in Atlantic City, in the Borgata hotel.

Poetry's never been my thing, but in a lit class I read Christina Rossetti's Goblin Market and was blown away by it.

Also, as Genny mentioned, he's really not obscure at all but Dali's Metamorphosis of Narcissus is one of my favorite paintings. Also, I love some of Picasso's line drawings (Owl, Grasshopper). Kandinsky's pretty cool, I love some of the Compositions.

Oh, and whoever said Erte? Sweet. Love me some art deco style.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at March 18, 2009 10:17 PM

I just saw Edgar Meyer this weekend and he blew my face off. I have never seen a double bass player who can do the things this man can do. He has collaborated with everyone from Yo Yo Ma to Mark O'connor to Chris (annoys the shit out of me) Thile to Mike Marshall to Zakir Hussein. He has a habit of performing pieces written for other instruments and playing the shit out of them.

And for another semi-esoteric musical one, Mike Marshall did a collaboration with a Brazilian mandolin player named Hamilton de Holanda and they do a great mix of traditional bluegrass, traditional Brazilian music, and even throw in the occasional classical lick - point is, their duets are a fantastic collaboration and it is the weirdest, grooviest, most virtuosic mandolin duets you will ever hear.

Posted by: Anne (in Reno) at March 18, 2009 11:17 PM

AvB, I just saw Chihuly's installation in the Phoenix Botanical Garden and it is absolutely fantastic. I was always a moderate fan of his but out in the bleak sun among the insane cacti, his stuff is perfect, in that alien, technicolor way he has.

Anybody in Phoenix, go see it while it's there!

Posted by: Anne (in Reno) at March 18, 2009 11:21 PM

Ahhhh, the cultural elite class is among us. And then the next goddamn post you guys will be talking about anal, so spare me your fucking hypocrisy. The Champs-Elysees my fat grotesque ass.

Posted by: Pookie at March 18, 2009 11:53 PM

Since I am a big foreign policy wonk, I go with William Appleman Williams. His book, The Tragedy of American Diplomacy, is a must read for those fed up with our direction on the world stage.

This man while a contemporary of Howard Zinn, really set the stage for for his book, "A People's History of the United States." Those of you that have not read this, it is an alternativer version to the stale, classroom history texts.

Music wise, I know I have thrown this guy out there a few times but if you are looking for a man that knows how to write songs look up Derek W. Dick, aka: Fish.
He used to be the front man of Marillion, and has been around since 1981. He kicked out his 9th full-length release, 13th Star last year and it is great. Other titles: Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Sunsets on Empire, Raingods with Zippos are fantastic. Try Misplaced Childhood from the Marillion days, written in the throes of an acid trip in the shadow of the Berlin Wall circa 1983/4.

Posted by: richmac at March 19, 2009 12:02 AM

Gerhard Richter? You know, the candle painting from Daydream Nation?

I got nothin'.

Posted by: Mattfactor at March 19, 2009 12:19 AM

Michel Foucault.

Discipline and Punish
Madness and Civilization
Archaeology of Knowledge
History of Sexuality

If this isn't the thread to expose my French philosophy fetish, I don't know where to turn.

Posted by: Steven Lloyd Wilson at March 19, 2009 12:36 AM

Penderecki's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima

If you're not familiar with it outright, parts of it were featured in both The Shining and There Will Be Blood.

I played it when I was in an orchestra. Though I must have played it over a hundred times, I always got spooked out during the first few bars and my palms would get sweaty (which is not what you want when playing the violin.)

It's what I imagine would be playing in your head as you go slowly insane.

Posted by: Groovekiller at March 19, 2009 12:43 AM

*sigh* ... all these comments, not a single mention of the greatest sculptor ever, Bernini? I'm ashamed of all of you!

Posted by: seth at March 19, 2009 1:31 AM

Ooh, I'm bookmarking this thread for a time when I can give more attention to the suggestions. Nice pretentious-ating, everybody.

And Liz, I knew that Ray Boltz's name sounded familiar-- totally remember his music from my contemporary Christian music-listening, Southern Baptist-believing days as a kid. I'm imagining the judgment he's had to deal with since coming out, and...just, ugh. But good for him for being true to himself.

Posted by: Sycamore at March 19, 2009 2:52 AM

Klaus (Claus) Ogerman - a more experimental Brian Eno, who works with larger groups. Also Brian Eno.

I listened to a recording of Ogerman's "Bohor I" in the sonic center of an absurdly beyond my economic class listening den, properly - um - fueled to appreciate the experience. I freaking saw Atlantis. I was there, all invisible man on the alien streets through the rise, bustle and fall of that civilization.

Starving students, and still we had a Carver Cube amp, Bose speakers and an HK reciever / preamp. It's all about priorities.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at March 19, 2009 3:01 AM

Pretentiousness II - Music Recap.

On several of the music threads past I've been a total elitist. Recapping briefly, without apology. (Pretentiousness does not apologize):

Charles Mingus also Mingus Dynasty. Gotta love a tribute band to an artist almost nobody's heard of.

Jaco Pastorious (bass), Jimmy Smith (Wurlitzer), Al Vizutti (jazz / big-band trumpet, modern), Maurice Andre (classical trumpet - heard him live several times.) Stan Kenton (jazz lab bands), Don Ellis (insane, psychodelic jazz lab bands)

Also Tom Lehrer, P. D. Q. Bach and John Valby

Posted by: BierceAmbrost at March 19, 2009 3:10 AM

Pretentiousness III - Go With What You're Good At / Authors

Brian Aldiss - kind of Michale Moorcock crossed with Harlan Ellison by way of Aldus Huxley. Also Aldus Huxley. Also Milton Erickson, especially his interviews with Aldus Huxley.

Gregory Bateson for his essays, especially Steps to an Ecology of Mind.

Julian Jaynes for his batshit insane but somehow compelling book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind."

Francis Bacon's work on the cusp of alchemy & modern science.

Martin Heidegger and Fernando Flores - oddly related.

R. Buckminster Fuller and I mean Synergetics not his antic rabble-rousing crip-crap.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at March 19, 2009 3:23 AM

So, there's this website that I frequent. It's called Pajiba (www.pajiba.com) and I love it. Over the last 3 years or so it's become one of my most trusted sights for media critique. And the commenters are awesome. I assume it's obscure and I must be pretentious to read it because whenever I bring it up in casual conversation, which I do constantly, no one's ever heard of it. But I love it so much that I'm constantly checking it, even when I know nothing new will have been posted(like at 4am central time... right about now). It is constantly my first source for new movie press, I've read several books thanks solely to their recommendation (I love The Time-Traveler's Wife!), and I'm constantly bringing up items from Pajiba Love at work. If any of you get the chance, you need to check out Pajiba (pronounced to sound like vagina, tee hee!). Sure you've never heard of it, but it's worth the read.

...

Forgive my gushing, I'm drunk. Time for bed, as I have to be at work in 6.5 hours.

Posted by: Bistro at March 19, 2009 4:52 AM

Audrey kawasaki...paints scary looking girls on wood. Brilliant stroke though.

Posted by: Gamal at March 19, 2009 5:40 AM

Gerrit Dou (1613-1675)Dutch painter, "Dentist by Candlelight" at the Kimball in Fort Worth

https://www.kimbellart.org/Collections/Collections-Detail.aspx?prov=false&cons=false&cid=8563

I saw this the first time I went to the Kimball, and was transfixed.

-Ralphie

Posted by: Ralphie at March 19, 2009 8:14 AM

Also, check out the Project Gutenberg.

http://www.promo.net/pg/

The aforementioned "Three Men in a Boat" is available for free download, as is just about everything else Mr. Jerome wrote.

Great resource!

-Ralphie

Posted by: Ralphie at March 19, 2009 8:18 AM

Posted by: Kiki at March 18, 2009 8:09 PM

I see your Tom Stoppard, and raise with the David Hare/Michael Frayn combo! When abroad, I was lucky enough to see a play from each of these amazing authors.

I highly recommend Hare's The Permanent Way, which was about the [d]evolution of the British rail system and how it was so screwed up at one point that you had one company owning the trains and a separate company owning the rails. I also highly recommend Frayn's Democracy about the rise and fall of West German Chancellor Willy Brandt after his right hand man Gunter Guillaume was outed as an East German spy.

I kick myself for not seeing The Pillowman, both in London and in New York, because after In Bruges I've kinda developed an obsession with Martin McDonnagh's work. I also kick myself for not seeing Frost/Nixon on stage in NY before seeing the movie, simply because Peter Morgan seems to have the rare ability to make history interesting, while maintaining a respectable degree of fact. One final kick...I should have seen His Dark Materials, the SIX HOUR LONG two part play that was probably the only true adaptation of what's more commonly known as "that trilogy with Northern Lights The Golden Compass." (Since Americans need a complete trilogy with entries named according the the format of The [descriptor] [object].)

Posted by: Mike R. at March 19, 2009 9:42 AM

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at March 19, 2009 3:23 AM

I've only read "Super Toys Last All Summer Long" from Aldiss. Any recommendations? Also, seconded on the Jazz love, and Tom Lehrer's comedic stylings. "Who's Next?", "The Vatican Rag", "The Elements Song", and "Poisoning Pidgeons In the Park" were all staples of my high school life.

Posted by: Mike R. at March 19, 2009 9:45 AM

Recently discovered Joan Didion. My librarian almost tried to adopt me when I asked if she could find Slouching Towards Bethlehem.

Posted by: Sweetie Dahling at March 19, 2009 12:12 PM

Quiet desperation, Sweetie. Quiet desperation.

Posted by: Jay at March 19, 2009 6:28 PM

Ray Boltz -- This is my dad, actually. Used to be a famous Christian singer, but he's been totally slaughtered by the Christian music industry because he came out of the closet last September. If you grew up in the church of the 80s and 90s, maybe you remember him. Now that just about every mainstream churchgoer in America has blogged about how hell-bound he is, he could use some positive attention from non-assholes.

No way?!? Really? Truly?? Liz, your dad is awesome!! I'm squeeing like a fan girl over here!

True story - right now on my MP3 player I have a track called "Thank you" by Ray Boltz. Your dad was, without a doubt, my most favourite Christian singer in the 80's and 90's. I grew up listening to his music and his voice soothed my soul. "Thank you" is one of my all time favourite songs and he sings it so beautifully, I still get teary eyed when I listen to it.

I actually hadn't heard that he came out of the closet but you tell him that, as a Christian, it doesn't make one damn difference to me. Love is love and while certain asshole Christians might care about what gender you love, I really don't believe God does. There's a spot in Heaven for your dad and rich will be his reward when he gets there. :)

Oh and um...when you relay my message to him could you cut down on the fan girl geeky gushy-ness of it all? I don't want to come off sounding too much like a loser stalker. Hee!

Posted by: Kelly at March 19, 2009 6:42 PM

Music- Pine Box Boys, they are a little like Slim Cessna's Auto Club or id describe it bluegrass that's all about violence. They are based out of San Francisco and do a lot shows at Cafe Du Nord.

Artists- KILL PIXIE look him up hes got some pretty cool shit. Cant really describe it.
HENRY LEWIS is a great painter and an even better tattoo artist.

Posted by: sad rockstar at March 19, 2009 7:15 PM

I always wanted to have sex with Bukowski. Then get out fast, before the glass splinters ruined my feet. Mind you, he is rather Totem to the 20 year old.

Bill Sienkiewicz.

My hero.

Posted by: replica at March 19, 2009 8:03 PM

Aww, Kelly, thanks for the sweet words! I will pass along your message to my dad. He'll appreciate it!

Posted by: Liz at March 19, 2009 10:08 PM

Hey, Mike R

Apologies for my tardy reply. My schedule is bizarre and my workload of late large - long & thick, turgid even (Sorry, possessed by a bit of the local color there for a moment.) I am thus reduced to the intermittent drive-by snarking.

Neanderthal Planet is high on my Aldiss list, but really, anything of his. Unfortunately I've never since been satisfied with anyone's take on an "alien" perspective. Aldiss nails it, exactly the way Niven, for example does not.

Alas, these days noone has heard of Tom Lehrer. We could use a bit of his political incorrectness in these oh, so, unfortunately sincere days:

"Ohhhhhhhhh,
We are the folk-song army.
Every one of use cares.
We all hate poverty, ware and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares."

Would make wonderful background music as the hopes of a briefly inspired nation crash into the reality that running anything more complicated than a three-way circle-jerk is way, way, way beyond the capabilities of any collection of grandstanding US Representatives. Certainly more subtle an enterprise than can be managed by spasms of populist apeasement, one upon the other.

Meanwhile, the Chinese, having secured a poison-pill on our national policies one McMansion loan at a time, are now buying outright great swaths of the US economic engine because . . . wait for it . . . we don't actually do any work any more. Haven't for years.

So, for that little rant, god I wish there were more of Lenny Bruce, you want to know what's going to happen next, go read some Von Mises, and for sheer exasperated bile, the essays and correspondence of late in life Mark Twain and of course ... Ambrose Bierce

Then read some Saki, pen name for H. Munroe, sort of O Henry tinged with fantasy and darkness. Sweet.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at March 20, 2009 5:30 AM

Good god, I'm in full rant. Picked the wrong lifetime to cut out moderation, it seems.

SXSW - sort of Burning Man with more plumbing and less sand. Fair enough. But before Burning Man there was The Cacophony Society. Look it up. Then read The Dice Man - nothing to do with that ridiculous microphone-chewer. Then, maybe have an opinion about being "unconventional."

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at March 20, 2009 5:38 AM

Dammit, I totally missed this thread since I was on vacation, but I'm adding something anyway.

I've recently become enamored of Steve Reich's compositions--saw some of his music, including "Music for 18 Instruments" and "The Daniel Variations" performed, and it was a mind-blowing experience. It may try some people's patience--"18 Instruments" goes on for a full hour--but even my non-musically inclined friend thought it was brilliant and moving in a way that a lot of 20th century compositions aren't. Watching it is half the fun too--the performers move about the stage in a dance to switch instruments, and the sheer endurance required is astounding. It's very easy to get caught up in the sheer wall of sound, even when it's difficult to tell what precisely is going on harmonically.

So, if anyone's interested in minimalist avant-garde classical music, I highly recommend checking him out.

Posted by: kalexal at March 22, 2009 6:19 PM





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