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I have an admission: I’m terrible at telling scary stories. It’s not that I wouldn’t be able to given the appropriate subject, the problem is that I don’t have any. Almost everybody I’ve met has a creepy, scary, terrifying tale to be told and yet, I’m shamefully lacking in this regard. I suppose that the closest that I can come is my story of going to an old Hebrew cemetery on the outskirts of town with some friends and running betwixt the headstones and mausoleums for a time. It was dark, and a bit creepy but unfortunately there were no strange sounds, ghosts, or anything that could be remotely described as paranormal. My buddy was blessed with a particularly violent case of flatulence but that’s as close as any of us got to running in fear that night.

I would think that this might have contributed to my fondness for horror movies later in life. As I so rarely encountered anything supernatural or scary in my thirty-three years on the planet, I have to turn to other avenues to get my kicks. Live vicariously through others, if you will. Upon typing that last sentence it sounds exceedingly similar to one that a person would type as an explanation for their particular zeal for German schizer porn or feltching but I suppose it is accurate. For me, there’s nothing more titillating than those feelings of tension, fear and expectation as when listening to or reading a well-told tale of haunting or the unexplained. The feeling of gooseflesh, the tingle of the hairs on the back of your neck standing on end, the fibrous knot in the pit of your stomach as you’re anticipating what may come next; that’s what I’m looking for in a good ghost story. So help me out here, denizens of Pajiba, tell me a creepy or scary or terrifying tale of the paranormal that’s happened to you and help me get my fix.









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I work with a women whose husband had passed away. A few years after he died, she went to a nail salon in the town we work in, which is not the town she lives in. As she tells it, she was just killing time and stopped by on a whim.

While she was there, she was seated next to a woman from San Francisco, which is about 45 minutes south of us. They started talking and the woman told my co-worker that she had a message from her husband. My co-worker replied that her husband had passed away and the woman said she knew. She told her that her husband wanted her to be happy and had sent someone for her. That night my co-worker met her now-husband.

Posted by: Jeni at October 21, 2010 6:43 PM

By 2050, white people will be a minority in the United States. Okay, that my not be scary to you but it damn sure keeps Lou Dobbs up at night.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at October 21, 2010 6:59 PM

Okey dokey, you know how the girl in Paranormal Activity was followed by the ghost/demon/spirit/what have you? Well, I'm a Katie. (Sorry for the length but these are my experiences.)

The house I lived in in grade school, and we were the original owners, had a young man, around 24 or so with longish hair who wore jeans and white shirt with the sleeves rolled up 3/4. He was relatively benign and just stole stuff and made noise, like throwing things down the stairs or slamming doors and you'd go and look and the doors weren't shut and nothing was at the bottom of the stairs. He also liked to fuck with visitors by walking past their room or moving their stuff, ruffling curtains, etc. Other than the prankster stuff there was no problem.

I lived in three apartments where there was constant people noise overhead like walking or water running even though I didn't have anyone living above me. My pets would all turn and stare at the same spot and there was nothing there. Those places weren't too bad.

There were other places I moved and whatever is attracted to me manifested again but the worst was my house in Philadelphia.

In 2007, we bought a refurbished, totally-redone-from-the-basement-up row house in South Philly near Naval Square. Man, it was beautiful house and haunted as fuck.

The master bedroom was on the top floor. We put the bed directly across from the closet because basically it was the only place the bed would fit. Not long after we moved in I saw the prisoners that lived in the closet. I saw the three of them, dressed in rags, behind the bars. They were dirty and skinny and looked sick, like they had TB or something. One of them was hunched over, holding the bars, and the other two were pressed up against the bars and all three were screaming. And the monk appeared. That is all I can call the man that walked past the foot of the bed, wearing a cloak. He was bald and wouldn't look at me. He would just walk from one side of the bed to the other to disappear.

My boyfriend never saw the monk or the prisoners but was subjected to poking and prodding. They would pull his hands at night and push his legs. Things would walk across his side of the bed. They also liked to open the wardrobe. And cackle at you.

Add all of the regular haunting shit like cold spots and let's-fuck-with-the-new-owners noises like huge loud crashes that sounded like a picture fell and broke, which of course a picture didn't fall, and fucking with the animals, and then when you see how a compass would start spinning when you put it in that prison-closet and you get some freaked out people. (I even did the same thing Micah did in Paranormal State, but remember in 2007-early 2009, PS hadn't been released yet.) I yelled at the spirits/ghosts/whatever and said that I was sick of their shit and for them to do their best/worst, and they did. It was a really bad time, lots of crying, lots of bad juju.

We even called Paranormal State and they came out and interviewed us to make sure we weren't fame hounds and to see if we were crazy. They wanted to do one of their episodes about our place but we decided to put the house on the market and didn't feel that it was in our best interest to sell it when it was filmed as haunted. We sold that fucking place and moved the hell out. I'd like to ask the new owners if they have seen anything but...

Posted by: Shonda at October 21, 2010 7:26 PM

Tracer Bullet, I am chortling about your post right now. If you think that demographic prediction keeps Lou Dobbs up at night, it must be giving Tom Tancredo the Fear Shits.

Posted by: The Wanderer at October 21, 2010 7:39 PM

The morning my father died, I was lying in my old bedroom and thinking back when he was first diagnosed with cancer, how he suffered and how his death finally brought a bittersweet relief.

It was then I heard the closet door open and clothes hangers being shuffled; because my bedroom adjoined his, I could hear this sound very clearly. Getting up, I entered his bedroom (the room in which he died and where I viewed his body) and found no-one there. Thinking perhaps it was the wind, I checked the windows but they were firmly closed.

Different species but same experience: shortly after my beloved german shepherd, Ripley, died of a sudden heart attack at the young age of three, I was lying on the couch downstairs watching some late night TV. Behind my head I was hearing a dog shifting around on the floor. Thinking it was my other GSD, Sara, I was ignoring the sound.

However, when I rose to go to bed, I turned around to gather her up...but, no dog! Thinking she went upstairs to bed without me noticing her, I wandered into our bedroom and asked John when Sara made herself present. He said, "she's been here for the past two hours". Right then, I knew my Ripster was still watching over me and I sobbed for the rest of the night.

Whoops, more sad than scary; sorry folks! Would it help if my Dad and Ripley became a crime-fighting duo with ghostly superpowers?

Posted by: kootenay girl at October 21, 2010 7:42 PM

So, I was hanging out with my sister and her friends after school one day. Someone spotted the Ouija board that we kept in the upstairs den and it was decided that we should give it a whirl.
The blinds were shut, the lights were turned off, and everyone gathered around the board with a few flashlights to guide us. There was some confusion as to what we were supposed to do, exactly. Someone got the idea to talk to the painting on the wall--an old oil painting of some relative that I've since forgotten the name of.
Everyone just laughed, and someone joked, "Oh no, the painting's gonna catch fire."
My nose began to bleed.
I said, "Um, guys?"
The flashlights pointed at me. Two of the girls shrieked.
_____________
We haven't touched that Ouija board since.

Posted by: Jim Doggie at October 21, 2010 7:46 PM

Jeepers, Shonda! If these ghost stories are a horse race, you have a clear lead!

Prisoners in rags, sweet baby Jebus.

Posted by: kootenay girl at October 21, 2010 7:49 PM

I don't believe in ghosts, so this is really the only story I know and it was related to me by an older brother who was definitely trying to scare the crap out of me:
For about 3 years we lived in a huge old house across the street from the train depot. We rented this house from my 3rd grade teacher (who, for the record, I never saw enter the house. She stood out in the driveway the one time I saw her come over) Apparently one night, while she was lying in bed, she heard the front door open and close and slow footsteps come up the stairs and down the hall. She had an adult son who lived with her, so she didn't think anything of it until her bedroom door opened and what appeared to be a blood covered soldier came into the room and lay down in bed beside her, promptly disappearing but leaving his impression behind. My brother swore that she later looked into it and, because of the proximity to the depot, the house had been used as a hospital during the Civil War.

I never saw or heard anything scary there but I will say that my closet was second only to my grandmother's coal-bin-equipped-and-lit-by-one-swinging-bulb basement in creepiness. The door to my closet was at the back of my sister's closet (we shared a room) and was kind of a half-sized deal that led to a small room under the eaves. At first I LOVED it and used to sit in there and read (because I was a very strange child) until one day the most horrible skin-crawly terror just rushed over me while I was in there. And my claustrophobia was born. I still have no idea what happened.

Posted by: king at October 21, 2010 7:58 PM

I like that story Jeni, it has to be the sweetest ghost story I've ever heard.

I used to work at a really, really large racing farm in Kentucky. We were taking turns breaking ice in the water troughs for horses one day when it was really cold out. When it was your turn to go out you drove forever then walked forever and took an axe and used it clear any ice forming on top of the concrete troughs. Busy work to be done after the horses were fed and looked over for the morning, to keep you busy until evening feeding time. When you had a break you stayed in the one centrally located barn with a room with a heater and an old TV. The loft of the barn was used for storing hay, there were no trees for miles except for one, right outside the barn, far enough off not to have branches hanging over the roof. From any point outside the barn you could see for about a mile in any direction. There was nothing to hide behind. I was in the warm room with a cat when I kept hearing the stall doors slide open and shut and someone walking upstairs in the loft or in the aisle. Sometimes I'd hear horses walking in either stalls or in the asphalt aisle. It was too cold in the aisle and I was too happy to be bundled up on the couch with cocoa to bother to look and see who was in the barn. At some point it occurred to me that there were never any horses in the barn on any other occasion, and I didn't notice any in the pastures outside. The two people who were working with me that day were off in the truck breaking ice. I thought maybe someone had driven up but why hadn't I heard their vehicle? Curiosity and boredom finally get the best of me and I got up and walked around looking into stalls, poking my head up into the loft, calling out 'hello' repeatedly...and I found absolutely no one and no horses. Not in the stalls, not in the surrounding pastures. The tree is too far away for me to have heard branches on the roof masquerading as footsteps in the loft. I walked around the barn and there were no trucks anywhere. There is only one road leading up to the barn and no vehicles or people are visible anywhere on it or the roads in the distance. I get cold and give up. I don't hear anything else, and it all stopped once I went into the aisle. Eventually my co-workers return and I ask them if they had been back to the barn and just didn't stick their heads in to say hi. They said they hadn't but one of them told me that a night watchman in that barn had died of a heart attack on shift and that some other people had also heard his ghost in the past. I of course accused them of being lying liars who lied and that they had somehow orchestrated some kind of elaborate prank just to tell me that story. They denied it and showed me their cold, wet, red hands and wet gloves and axes wet with ice and snow. It was also really noticeably loud when the work truck they road in had pulled up, and at that point I was paying attention. I have no explanation for the noises I heard, and I refuse to believe in ghosts, gods or anything non-quantifiable by science. Maybe they just pulled a good prank, but I must have frustrated the hell out of them with my prolonged lack of investigation because I did NOT want to get up off that couch to see what was making the noise, and I didn't for a good 30 minutes or so after they had left and the noises started.

Not particularly scary, but true.

Posted by: Viking at October 21, 2010 7:59 PM

I forgot to mention that the cat heard the noises too, so I know I wasn't hallucinating.

Posted by: Viking at October 21, 2010 8:05 PM

Yeah, it was a delightful two years in Philly. I have wondered if a naval prison was originally on the spot where the house is. I mean, it's that close to the old Naval Asylum.

Oh, and just to bookend the whole story, we moved into the Philly house on Halloween. And I no longer live in a brick-and-mortar home. We bought a 40-foot Phaeton motorhome and move every few weeks.

Let's see those fuckers find me now.

Posted by: Shonda at October 21, 2010 8:06 PM

One night I was sitting on our couch watching television and folding clothes. I was sitting in the corner of the couch, facing the TV, and I could see through the doorway into the hallway out of the corner of my eye. I bent down to grab something out of the laundry basket and I saw a man in a black suit, white shirt, and a black tie walk down the hallway into my kitchen. I laughed, because I couldn't figure out why my husband was so dressed up, so I called out "Mr. Nurse, why are you so dressed up?" He didn't answer. I waited a minute, but he never said anything. I was about to get up and go see what he was doing when it dawned on me that my husband was at work and I was supposed to be home alone! I almost pissed myself, and I knew it couldn't have been an intruder because there was only one way anyone could have come into our house, and I had turned the thumb bolt on that door when it got dark. For anyone to have broken in, they would have had to smash through a metal door.

I could have written that off as a hallucination or something, but fairly soon after that, I had decided to go out on a beautiful fall day and take photographs of the maple trees at a local historic cemetery. It's a huge place. One end of the park is where the really old historic markers are, and the other end of the park is still currently in use. When I pulled into one of the paths, I noticed that a tent and chairs had been erected for a funeral that day. No one was there yet, but I still decided to stay in the antique part of the park so as not to intrude or bother anyone.

I had recently discovered "Spirit Photography" online, and for a laugh, I said aloud "OK, y'all...if anyone wants their picture made, show yourselves because I'm about to take some pictures. But if you come out, you can't follow me home!" I lifted the camera and took a couple of shots and as I turned around I saw a man in a suit walking a few rows away from me. I turned away from him kind of quickly. I was embarrassed, because I thought it was someone who had arrived for the funeral and he had heard me talking to myself. I turned back to him to apologize and maybe make a joke so he didn't think I was crazy, but there was no one there. I looked all around me, but there wasn't ANYONE there.

That scared me so bad that I ran towards my car, threw open the door and dove into it. I scrambled to close the door, I couldn't find the seat belt, and right after that I realized I couldn't find my keys! I yelled "KEYS!!!!" and I scrambled through all of my pockets until I found them. It was exactly like a scene from a cheesy horror movie. I had the keys, but I couldn't find the ignition slot, and when I finally found it I pealed out of the cemetery. I was deep down scared for a long time after that.

After I'd had time to think about what I saw, I know I saw a man in a suit both times and that it was so clear that I talked to whatever it was. I finally decided that it was either a rather creepy guardian angel following me around, or I'm being haunted by one of the Reservoir Dogs.

Posted by: ZombieNurse at October 21, 2010 8:13 PM

I haven't seen a ghost since I was four years old. Until that point, I routinely saw them floating in my old house, around the neighborhood, and in the church's cemetery. They never threatened me or acknowledged my presence. I just could see them.

One night, I went up to bed by myself. My parents normally left the upstairs hallway light on so I could go to bed safely, but the bulb burned out and they were too busy to change it. I climbed the stairs as fast as my stubby little legs let me and turned to go into my bedroom. That was when I saw the skull.

It wasn't a large skull--probably the size of an average adult's--but it was clearly there. It was a physical skull in the hallway. I walked up to it and could feel it, hold it. A face materialized around it in my hands. It was an old woman, covered in wrinkles. There was a hole in her cheek. I screamed and passed out.

When I came to, my family told me everything was a dream. There was no skull in the hallway. I had imagined it. They could barely keep straight faces when I recounted our exact conversation about changing the light bulb in the hallway, but they stuck to their story. That's when I began describing the woman's face. My father turned white and my mother couldn't meet my eyes.

They didn't admit it until many years later. The woman I described was the previous owner of the house. She killed herself with a gunshot through her cheek, into her brain.

I haven't seen a ghost since I was four years old because I made myself forget how to do it. I can feel them there, I can even hear them, but I don't need to see their stories anymore.

Posted by: Robert at October 21, 2010 8:25 PM

I have none personally, but a friend of mine told me this one (I still don't believe his drunk ass, this just might be a damn urban legend, but it's a ghost story).
According to my friend , he and some other friend of his went to a cliff side area on the Eastern coast of our island. Near this place is a cemetery, but the view was excellent and the day was hot, so the chaps decided to have a drinks session there.

While on their third or fourth drink, they heard some noises coming from the cemetery. He and one of the other guys decided to investigate while the others continued to get as stupidly drunk as possible.
Darion and the other guy entered the cemetery to see another ma, possibly a care taker, apparently chisling away at a tombstone. When asked what he was doing, he looked up and told them, "They spell my name wrong."

Well Darion said he never get sober so fast in his life, and his friends never see him move so fast either. Both of them cleared out real fast, and the others seeing them running as if the police was behind them decided to make themselves scarce too.
According to him, they never went back there.

Posted by: Four Eyes at October 21, 2010 8:25 PM

"The Fear Shits". That's the title of an anthology for sure.

Here's mine:

Fifteen years ago, I was asleep in bed. It must have been around 2:30 in the morning or so. In any case, I woke up startled with the sudden, real and complete realization that my grandmother had passed away. I knew it to be as certain and true as anything you can imagine. I knew it.

My mind immediately wondered whether or not I should go wake my mom up and I thought "No, I'm not the person who should be delivering these news." The moment that thought crossed my mind, the phone rang. And it kept ringing and ringing and I knew that it was my aunt calling to tell my mom of what had happened. I fell back onto my bed and listened while my parents picked up the phone and were told the news.

To this day, I have no idea how I knew that to the second.

Posted by: Fredo at October 21, 2010 8:39 PM

@Robert

Jesus man! That story gave me chills like not many other things ever have.

I don't really have any because I'm pretty sure I can explain away the one I do have.

A few years ago I was at Boy Scout camp and one night I heard what sounded like a small animal walking around outside my tent. Then I heard a boy's voice calling out for help close by. I figured it was the kid in the tent next to me (it was his first year, and the younger kids tend to get a little freaked out at night when it's there first time away from home without parents). I called out to him and told him not to worry about it, that the animal wouldn't bother him, and to go back to sleep. He didn't respond to me and just kept saying "Help" or "Help Me" periodically. After another fifteen minutes or so he stopped and I fell back asleep.

I forgot about the whole thing until later in the week when we were telling ghost stories, and one of them was about how a boy disappeared in the woods at the camp and how it's now said that you can hear him calling for help in the woods. Keep in mind, I didn't tell ANYONE about what I heard from my tent, so I'm fairly sure they weren't trying to fuck with me.

So it was a little freaky. However, I'm pretty sure it really was the kid from the next tent and he just didn't want to say he was scared. Still, it's one of my favorite stories to tell.

Posted by: Patrick the Bunny at October 21, 2010 9:02 PM

Robert, that is fucking creepy! In fact, these are all turning out brilliantly. I need more.

Posted by: Robert Scott at October 21, 2010 9:14 PM

I once saw Tom Cruise in Las Vegas waiting for a cab, I swear he ate my soul when he looked (up) at me. I was so scared I forgot to grab his wee pot 'o gold.

Posted by: TrickyHD at October 21, 2010 9:37 PM

My mother hates when I tell people this story (she says she's only allowed so seem crazy to close friends and relatives), but it's the only thing I have that sort of resembles a ghost story.

When I was 13, my family stayed in a ramshackle B&B on Chincoteague Island, VA, for a portion of our annual family spring break road trip. The B&B was this old Victorian mansion with four floors, and the five of us (parents, two sisters, and myself) had rented out the top floor. It was actually the attic, and it was creepy as fuck. Not only was the weather persistently gloomy and rainy, but our rented area was accessible by anyone staying in the house - there was no door at the top of the staircase to section off our space from whoever might venture up the stairs.

For this reason, my mother told us to lock our bedroom door from the inside before bed. She and my father would keep their door unlocked, in case of an emergency. We all felt a little safer this way (seriously, this house was creepy, and in a neighborhood that felt a bit past its prime).

On our last night in the house, my mom woke up around 3 in the morning to someone scratching at the door. She turned, expecting to see one of her daughters. And she did. Or, she thought that she did. She thought it was me, dressed in a floor-length nightgown, coming to ask her something. Instead, the girl crossed the room to the opposite corner, where she crouched down and began making soft noises and moving things around. My mom realized at this point that it was not her 13 year old daughter playing with toys in the corner at 3am, but a complete stranger.

She says that the girl didn't say anything to her, but a while later she heard her move across the room and out the door (at this point Mom was completely buried under the covers and clutching at my totally unresponsive Dad. The man can sleep through anything.) She casually mentioned it to the B&B owner the next morning, and he kind of rolled his eyes and laughed and told her that people who stayed there reported ghostly things happening all the time. My mom's got a famously overactive imagination, and she's a bit prone to superstition, both reasons why my dad maintains that she didn't see anything and was probably dreaming. That being said, she's also one of the most intuitive people I know, and has had a few other semi-supernatural experiences, so who knows.

Posted by: nosio at October 21, 2010 9:37 PM

I used to live in an apartment with my girlfriend Janene-the place was over 100 years old. She lived there for 6 months before I moved in, and told me that one morning she was pushed down into the bed by two very strong, very cold hands. I was more intrigued than anything, and I believed her. Nene doesn't lie.

So she worked for a pharmaceutical company and traveled a LOT-one Saturday morning when she was away I was laying in bed, refusing to leave the confines of my beloved comforter. I was fully awake, I wasn't in some state of half consciousness. As I was laying there contemplating what I'd be doing that weekend, I suddenly heard a low voice speaking into my ear. It was a woman, but the tenor was as if she was trying to conceal her voice-and she asked me "Are you my mother??"

I froze. Like in a horror movie, I couldn't move I was so terrified. All the hairs on my arms and neck rose, and I lay there absolutely frozen in fear. Nene wasn't home. My tv wasn't on. The walls were thick and we never once heard a neighbor. And it was IN MY FUCKING EAR. It was a ghost.

I recovered and ran from the room, but her presence was known for the rest of my 3 years there. One day I was doing my makeup in my room, and the zipper of my suitcase slowly pulled down by itself. Things would move when I was alone in the apartment. I heard her speak in the same tone one more time but I couldn't understand her. And the creepiest moment was when Nene's parents' dog stayed at our place for a weekend. She kept running into my room and barking at a specific place in the ceiling. I finally closed my door, freaking out and refusing to step into my room ever again, and the dog kept barking at my door. I was in tears, it reminded me of that scene in fucking Poltergeist. My favorite horror movie, and the one that scared me as a kid.

I have friends that don't believe me, but I know what I heard and saw. I thought it was interesting at least. :)


Posted by: Julie at October 21, 2010 10:13 PM

Happy to oblige, Mr. Scott. I'm always willing to detail a horrifying experience in my life for other's enjoyment round these parts. It's not like I'm going to sleep tonight after remembering that story anyway, so I might as well spread the wealth.

Posted by: Robert at October 21, 2010 10:15 PM

I actually had a conversation about this the other day with a friend of mine, who adamantly claims he's seen ghosts (multiple. Plural.) and holds it up as some sort of religious experience akin to witnessing the hand of God descending.

I don't believe in ghosts. Here's why.

The way he tells it, my friend has been visited by the ghost of his grandfather when he was four years old, and he somehow foretold his ailing grandmother's death three days before she died of her illness.

But here's what gets me: In the year since Clyde died, how many ghosts do you think I've seen who've come to tell me everything's gonna be okay or that they're in a happy place? Zero. How many prophetic dreams have I had about my loved ones in a better place? Zero. So apparently, I'm not good enough for my loved ones to come back with a few kind words. Hell, I never even got to go to Clyde's funeral because his family, the people who cut him off and who did nothing for him while I tried to help him get his life back together, whisked him off back to God fucking knows where. And people wonder why I'm not singing the praises of the great benevolent whoever that dumped this on me?

Ghosts don't exist, and wanting them to exist won't make it so either.

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at October 21, 2010 10:53 PM

This story is not mine but it's famous where I live, and I do know the family.

So right after graduation from HS one of two best friends died in an accident driving the wrong way on a highway on-ramp in CA. At his funeral a week later his best friend (Call him Mike) put his house key in the coffin and said you're always welcome wherever I am.

That Fall, Mike goes off to college. Thanksgiving rolls around and Mike comes home for break. His Mom is lugging groceries into the house the day before the holiday and sees Mike in the Foyer through the beveled glass window and rings the bell so he will come and take the bags from her hands. He walks the other way down the hall. She sets down her bags, opens the door and calls for her son. The house is empty.

Two nights later, Saturday, Mike goes out with friends. His Mom hears him come home around 11. Thinks to herself it's pretty early and goes back to sleep. She then wakes up at 4am to hear Mike really coming home. He had been out all night.

Mom, being superstitous goes to a psychic. Says nothing about the events, but goes for a reading. Psychic tells her you had guests for the holiday. Mom says, well I guess now that's he's gone to college Mike is a guest. The psychic says, no I meant his friend.

Over the four years until they sold that house Mike's Mom routinely saw "something or someone else" in the house when Mike was home for visits.

Posted by: jack at October 21, 2010 10:53 PM

I do understand that sentiment Jeremy-if ghosts exist, why wouldn't our departed loved ones visit us and allay our fears? One of my best friends (Mike) died in a car accident about 7 years ago. A group of 5 of us were so close, together all the time-we used to swear that if one of us died prematurely, we'd haunt each other. It was a constant joke among us, told to convince each other that we'd never HAVE to go through that. If we only knew what was coming a few years later. Well, I've never seen him. I've even asked Mike at his grave if he could give me a quick visit, to let me know it didn't hurt, he went fast, and that he was happy. Nothing.

But I believe in ghosts. I just don't think it quite works the way we want it to, otherwise everyone would have a post-mortem visit from a family member or friend. And I think too many people have had too many experiences with apparitions and the like to discount the notion.

That's why I believe, anyhow :) That, and some undead bitch talked to me in a scary voice.

Posted by: Julie at October 21, 2010 11:13 PM

OK, I hate to throw a wet blanket on the spooky fire (wait, no I don't) but this is Pajiba, and we are Pajiba readers. In other words, I like to think many of you are smart and/or rational.

Do this many people here REALLY believe in ghosts?! This is blowing my mind! Please tell me that there is at least a little irony in many of these posts.

So here's my scary story. I watched Dracula with my brothers (1993?) when I was 9 years old, and it was the first scary movie I ever saw. Lying on the floor I could see the white curtains in the next room GLOWING RED and it was the middle of the night. Do I think this was the blood of Drac's victims? No. Did I think it was back then? No, but it was fun and spooky to pretend it was.

Posted by: Vince Noir at October 21, 2010 11:55 PM

i hate to say this, but i am too tired to read through everyone's accounts.

i do not for the most part believe in ghosts.

that said, i lived in a room where a baby died. while their i slept better than i ever did before or after. but while i slept. . .

i would wake and find new books open on my table, and passages underlined. now, i normally read many books at a time, and wrote in all of them. but these were entire writings that i could not remember, so it was creepy.

at the time i was really frightened. today it is so far away that i can rationalise it.

Posted by: idleprimate at October 22, 2010 12:00 AM

Okay, this story isn't particularly scary, but it is true.

About fifteen years ago, a friend of my then girlfriend complained to her of feeling a strange dread in the hallway of her single storey flat. My girlfriend told her friend that we could come over and have a look for her, being interested in the supernatural as we were.

Well, the hallway in question was one of those windowless, rectangular tubes that go down the middle of cheap, mass produced housing. It felt cool in there and it was a little creepy, but not that dreadful. But there was an access panel in the ceiling. So I borrowed the woman's step ladder and went up to have a look.

It was a hot day, but when I stuck my head up into the space between the ceiling and the roof, it was like sticking my head in a bucket of ice water. What freaked me out a little was there was no dividing barrier between the space above the woman's flat and the three others it was conjoined with, just one long shared space.

I was going to haul myself up, even though there was only about a foot and a half clearance, when my hand came to rest on a plastic bag. I lifted it up and found it to be holding some heavy object.

I brought this down to have a look at it. It was one half of a steering wheel club lock. It had been wrapped up tight in the bag and stowed in the roof.

Why, we had no idea.

We took it home with us. And I can't remember if we kept it somewhere or tossed it. But we got a call a couple of days later from my girlfriend's friend. The hallway had no ominous aura to it anymore.

We went over there some time after that and I had another look up in the roof. It was hot as Hell up there. The hallway seemed brighter than before as well.

Well, I warned you it wasn't scary, but it is 100% true.

Posted by: DarthBrookes at October 22, 2010 12:04 AM

About 15 years ago my grandmother died of cancer of, well, just about everything. Saying the woman smoked like a chimney makes chimneys look bad. Before she died she was in the hospital for about 2 weeks slipping in and out of comas. When she was alert she babbled nonsense. She would respond to us asking her questions, but her answers were entirely hallucinatory.

The doctors encouraged us to talk to her and family members would often ask her what her day was like. Once she told us she spent the day baking with her mother - dead a few decades - and my step-mother, her daughter-in-law, still very much alive today. Once she cut off all conversation and asked us to get the glowing baby off the ceiling. It was bothering her.

But the truly weird one was when she told us she spent the entire day with her nephew, preparing and then having a picnic. They made sandwiches and baked pies. They went on a hike and had a lovely picnic before hiking back. The nephew in question had just committed suicide the night before she told us this. Of course nobody had told her this. I'm very atheist, and even my spine tingles a bit at her connection to him on that particular day.

Posted by: Bistro at October 22, 2010 12:13 AM

By 2050, white people will be a minority in the United States. Okay, that my not be scary to you but it damn sure keeps Lou Dobbs up at night.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at October 21, 2010 6:59 PM

I can't even imagine what it does to Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Uriah Creep at October 22, 2010 12:26 AM

I'm an atheist and I don't believe in the existance of a soul, which makes it difficult to believe in ghosts, but I do have questions about the nature of consciousness. Until I was 5, my mental image of myself was of a middle-aged blonde smoker. This makes no sense to me now, but it did then. (and I wasn't allowed to watch TV until I was 8, so there wasn't a ton of unnecessary thought-polution)
What's that line? There are more things in heavan and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I'm not so arrogant as to think we have all the answers today. At the turn of the last century they thought they'd discovered almost all there was to discover. And now we have antibiotics, mobile phones, space flight. Just sayin'.

Posted by: king at October 22, 2010 12:34 AM

I rented an apartment at The Tennyson Arms complex in Waco, Texas back in 1983. I worked for a small radio station and was thrilled to find this apartment which was within walking distance of work and, more importantly, within staggering distance of a club called 'Abracadabra' where most of us hung out after work.
It was a little pricey for someone on my salary but I was single and the location alone made it worthwhile, so I happily moved in.
Two things: First, I wondered how such a prime location was available. It was such a cool place and so close to everything that it should have been occupied all of the time. Second, when touring the place, I noticed two stains on the bedroom carpet which the agent said would be replaced immediately if I wanted to wait a few days or I could just move in and they'd replace it at my convenience. Anxious to get settled, I chose the latter.
The first couple of weeks were fairly uneventful. I spent my days at work, many evenings in the club and the nights sleeping peacefully. After the rather harrowing experiences at my previous apartment I was grateful for the relative calm in the new place. Sadly, it wouldn't last long.
Since I had no desk at the time, I did a lot of job related paperwork at my tiny dining table, with various stacks of paper pretty well covering the surface. It was on one of these nights that the weirdness began happening.
As I sat at the table, plugging away on a new music playlist, a stack of paper on the top right-hand corner of the table shuffled a bit... and then the top sheet lifted up and fluttered to the floor. Assuming that there was a draft of some sort, I checked the windows but they were all tightly shut. My next thought was that the table was lined up with the air conditioner vent and that the breeze had moved the paper. Satisfied with that theory, I went back to work and only a few moments later not one but three sheets of paper fluttered up and then down to the floor. Annoyed - but not yet spooked - I picked up the papers and turned the ac unit off then, again, went back to work. On the third occasion, as the papers began to shuffle, it was accompanied by the sound of someone whistling... not something but someone and it sounded as if it were right there in the apartment. Now, I was spooked. No, I was flat out scared and not ashamed to admit it. I did a hasty search of the place, satisfying myself that no one was in the place and got the hell out of there. Once at Abracadabra, I told a couple of co-workers what had happened; they gave me skeptical smirks, told me I was working too hard and after a few beers, I was in full agreement.
Back at home, getting ready for bed, a feeling came over me like nothing I've felt since - there was a presence in that room, vile and malevolent and it was phsically pressing down on me, making it difficult to breathe. My heart was pounding and with some effort I crawled out of bed and went to the living room. Terrified but with nowhere to go, I eventually fell into a fitful sleep on the sofa. The next morning, I decided to spend as little time in the bedroom as possible, gathered a few things there and made the living room my main space.
A couple of days passed with nothing weird taking place but then, the whistling started again, happening at all hours of the night; the poltergeist activity picked up as well, with things being moved or knocked over on a regular basis. I wasn't sure what the hell I was dealing with but did know that it wasn't anything benign or anything that I cared to challenge. Apartment hunting became a priority.
Here's something you should know: I am addicted to iced tea. Most nights, I'll take a large glass and place it on a nearby table before going to sleep so that I'll have a drink should I wake up.
On my last night in the place, I did exactly that. Fresh tea, clean glass, ice. Nothing unusual.
When I woke up the next morning, the glass was still on the coffee table but, dear Lord, it was vile. There was mold and crud growing up from the bottom of the glass. It looked as though it had been sitting there, festering for a week or more and it smelled like death... so much so that I ran to the kitchen and retched into the sink. I walked outside for some air and to clear my head and ran into my upstairs neighbor who wa sitting by the pool. I'd never spoken to the guy but he must have sensed that something was wrong because he asked if I were okay. Without thinking about what he'd think of me, I told him the whole story of my time there and asked if he had ever heard anything or had anything similar happen. His reply was a bit starling: "They didn't tell you before you moved in?"
I asked for details and he told me the story. A couple of months prior to my moving in, the apartment was occupied by a young couple. There were fights, occasionally but nothing too drastic until one evening when the husband came home to find his wife in bed, naked and obviously nervous. He knew exactly what was going on, calmly pulled a .38 from his nightstand, opened the closet door and shot her boyfriend in the head before turning the pistol on her (she had gone towards her husband, asking for forgiveness) and putting a bullet in her heart. After the killings, he sat on the bed and called the police... who were already on their way, thanks to the neighbors hearing everything. As my neighbor told the story, my blood turned ice cold and I knew that everything I'd experienced in that place was as real as anything in this world. The stains on the bedroom carpet were bloodstains which someone had tried to clean up but not done a good job. I was, at this point, ready to get the hell out of the place and told the leasing office I'd be leaving that day, they never asked why and even returned my deposit. I stayed at a co-workers place until finding another apartment but I had and continue to have dreams about that apartment and the nightmare scenario that took place.

Posted by: Spender at October 22, 2010 1:02 AM

@king: The premise of a terrible Discover Channel show and the fallibility of the human mind do not a supernatural postmortem make. Yes, science was magic until science came along, but COOOOOME OOOONNNNN PEOPLE! (Sorry for screaming).

Try this: the most intelligent, knowledgeable, brilliant doctors and neuro-scientists and pharmaceutical chemists still have almost no grasp of how an antidepressant works (much less why it may cause suicidal ideation), and these drugs have been on the market for-freaking-ever. (BTW, lithium has been on the market longer and there are more theories about how it alters human consciousness than said years on the market).

Yes, maybe one day we will THINK we have a clear idea of how simple drugs work, but the human mind is extraordinarily complex, and so far consciousness is little more than a philosophy.

Are we to take being spooked, or experiencing coincidence, as some kind of evidence of the supernatural?

I am the biggest fan ever of The Walking Dead and Buffy but I never once consider these things as plausible. Why should your childhood nightmares convince you otherwise?

I beg of someone, tell me you do not believe in ghosts! This is worse than an evangelical summer camp only because I expect more of you all.

Ugh.

Posted by: Vince Noir at October 22, 2010 1:15 AM

Three things:

1. I believe I saw a flying saucer, and I don't believe in flying saucers. When I was a kid, I was playing in the back yard and a disc-shaped craft of some sort slowly flew over my yard and house and disappeared behind a cloud. This was in broad daylight.

2. When I was a teen I had the whole second floor of our house for my room. One day some of my cousins were visiting and we pulled out a Ouija board. As you probably know, several people are supposed to put their fingertips lightly on the heart-shaped slider and then record the letters or numbers it moves to. I had my fingers on the thing, very lightly, and a couple other people did too, and I closed my eyes. The slider started moving around the board, though my recollection is it spelled out nonsense (someone was calling out the letters). So after a few minutes of this I opened my eyes. The others had taken their fingers off, and they were laughing at me, because they thought I was deliberately moving it around myself. Meanwhile, I stared at the thing and had a fucking chill up my spine. I was barely touching it. I put the fucking thing up on a closet shelf and never took it out again.

3. This is more funny than scary, though it wasn't at the time. When Mrs. , and I were dating, I lived in a third-floor apartment in an old house. We went out one night to a concert and she left her purse (we both thought) on a chair in one room. Well, we came back a little frisky and got naked pretty quick, and then she said, "Where's my purse?" And I said, "Right there," and pointed at the chair where it wasn't.

So we looked around and there it was, on a chair in another room where it wasn't supposed to be. And suddenly we were certain someone had moved it, someone who was ... maybe ... still in the apartment, in this big walk-in closet I had. So we quickly put our clothes back on and I announced to the room, "We're going back out, you're free to leave if you want." And I think I took her home.

We laugh about it now, but it was serious business then.

Posted by: , at October 22, 2010 2:11 AM

My junior year of college several friends and I managed to scrounge together a Ouija board and decided to have a little Halloween fun. Everyone agreed happily to join in except for one person.

This particular friend had lost her mother when she was maybe six or eight. She said she'd watch but didn't want in on the action.

We get going and make the usual 'yes' or 'no' contact with a 'spirit'. Some guy who supposedly lived in the area hundreds of years ago gives us details of his life. I take this with a grain of salt. We yell at each other, insisting the guilty parties quit moving the cursor around to fuck with everyone else. Our appointed leader/question asker interrupts to ask if anyone else would like to speak with us. The cursor rockets to yes hard enough to silence the remaining whiners. We ask the name and get a woman's name we don't recognize which turns out to be our friend's mother's commonly used nickname. We ask who she'd like to speak to. She gives the full name of our friend (who typically, conversely, goes by her nickname alone) and says she loves her. She also gives a pet name for her which no one else in the room had ever heard used before and mentions things she left behind which our friend hadn't yet claimed. Our friend explained that her family owned a storage unit which still held some of her mother's belongings, originally promised to her once she hit eighteen, which she hadn't ever worked up the nerve to ask for.

After that, we packed up the Ouija board and never spoke of the night again, not because it was unsettling, but because it felt too private, like we shouldn't have been eavesdropping on such an exchange. We were conduits to something beyond ourselves in that moment, and I think we were all too incredulous toward the experience to freely admit we felt the same way or saw the same messages, but I know that all happened.

Posted by: thenchonto at October 22, 2010 2:25 AM

Had the water in the upstairs bathroom turn on by itself. I heard it, thought it was the faucet outside at first, since I lived in a triplex, but nope. Roommate was not home and cat was downstairs when it happened. Freaked me out.

Posted by: Jamie at October 22, 2010 3:21 AM

Vince Noir: In the words of Bad Religion, "If it's real for me do I have to prove it to you?"

There is far more evidence supporting the existence of ghosts than there is against it. I'm a skeptic but keep an open mind and I've seen some odd things myself. I don't know what ghosts are, but based on my own experiences I believe in the phenomenon.

Cool stories, everyone.

Posted by: TylerDFC at October 22, 2010 6:21 AM

I've never experienced any sort of these type of encounters, but I also believe that if they are real, my brain/heart wouldn't be able to process them and I would literally lose my mind. I think maybe there are people who are just incapable of opening themselves up to it. I feel like there are too many stories told my rational people for the paranormal not to exist. But then again, the mind is a crazy place. It could all exist there.

Posted by: tinmo at October 22, 2010 7:02 AM

This isn't scary. But about a week after my father died I had gotten up early to brush my teeth. I could hear a tv on in the father's room behind me which was confusing because I had been in there earlier and it wasn't on. I stood in the doorway and the moment I stepped in to shut the tv off it turned off on it's own.

Posted by: stupidgirl1121 at October 22, 2010 9:13 AM

This is totally not scary, but I used to think my old condo was haunted. It wasn't an especially scary place, it was built in the 60's and was a 1/1 of about 650 sq ft, very sunny. Only, ever since we moved in, I would wake up in the middle of the night a lot of nights, and I could feel that there were several people in the bedroom. They weren't aware of me as far as I could tell, they just seemed to be hanging out, socializing with each other. It was as though there was a low-key cocktail party happening in my bedroom. I just figured it was some kind of sleep hallucination, but I never woke up my husband so he could verify it. It could be my imagination, I also used to sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and I couldn't remember who was in bed with me and I would get really nervous and it would take sometimes 5 minutes for me to remember that, oh right, that's my husband. So I just assumed it was my brain. Until we moved to a new place and it never happened again.

Posted by: peachfish at October 22, 2010 10:00 AM

I would really like to believe in ghosts... I used to try to convince myself of ghosts when I was a kid. Sadly, nothing has ever convinced me that they actually exist.

The closest I came was in the dungeon of a castle in England (Warwick, maybe... it was a long time ago). The oppressive feeling of lingering sadness was overwhelming.

I frequenly see things out of the corner of my eye - I often think I see bugs, only to turn and find nothing there. I joke about "my ghosts", but in reality I'm sure it's just reflections in the corners of my (very strong) glasses.

Posted by: Pea at October 22, 2010 10:11 AM

TylerDFC wrote: "Vince Noir: In the words of Bad Religion, 'If it's real for me do I have to prove it to you?'"

Yes, if you want me to believe you.

I highly recommend Wendy Kamminer's book, Sleeping with Extra-Terrestrials, about the increasing acceptance of personal anecdote as proof. Challenges to anecdotes are now seen as hostile; people's personal experiences are supposed to be accepted, without test, as true.

I'm with Vince Noir on the ghost topic. There are just too many scientific hurdles that most of these stories can't clear.

Posted by: Mike B. at October 22, 2010 10:12 AM

I have had many experiences similar to the ones noted here.....knew my great-aunt had died the second it happened, so when the phone rang, I already knew. Saw ghosts of long-dead family members I had never known in our 150+ year old farmhouse as a child. Have talked to my father on the Ouija board many times.
But, these 2 stories are a little different.

First, in high school, 4 of us decided to sneak into the local cemetary at night and put a tape recorder on a grave to see if we got anything. We snuck in the back entrance, far from the road, traffic, houses....very isolated. This was the 80's, so we took a regular old cassette recorder with a 90 minute tape, turned it on, and laid it on an old grave. We then walked quietly away and spent the next 45 minutes wandering the cemetary, seeing various lights flash, but not thinking anything about it. We went back and picked up our tape recorder, and went back to the car. We turned on the tape, and our mouths dropped open.....voices, screams, rattles, moans, hums....all sorts of sounds we had not heard in the cemetary were present on our tape. We were shocked, to say the least. I still have the tape, tucked away in a box.

Second, while I was in college, I brought several girls from my dorm home with me for the weekend. We were all in my little bedroom, playing with the Ouija board. I can't remember now who we were "talking" with, but we all decided we wanted to take a break and get a drink. The pointer repeatedly zoomed to NO. Whoever we had contacted didn't want to stop. We got a little freaked, and, being smart-ass college girls, decided "we'll show you, Mr. Ghosty!" and just got up and walked out of the room. After having a drink and some snacks, we went back to my room. But, none of us could enter. It was like a large, dark, malevolent force was in my room and would not let us back in. The air was cold and it seemed to be darker in the room than in the hall. We tried to go back in for about 10 minutes...I remember being PISSED, cause it was MY ROOM!! We ended up going into the living room and waiting for an hour or so. After that, we could go back in, but stashed the Ouija board under my bed pretty quickly.

Also, my dad died 9 years ago. My mom still hears him in their house...we can smell his aftershave pretty often. He also likes to turn the TV and lights off and on. Mom has a phone in the kitchen with a really long cord, and she has a habit of sitting at the table talking, with the cord stretched across the kitchen. My dad used to come into the room and fling the cord up and down. He still does it. Her dog, who she got after my dad died, often won't come into the bedroom, or she'll be in the bedroom and will sit, looking out toward the living room and my dad's chair, whining.

When the kids and I moved in with mr. dammit, he didn't tell me that our house used to be the funeral home for the tiny town we live in. In the time we've been there, our TV goes off and on or the sound adjusts on its own (complete with the graphic on-screen), lights in the kids rooms have turned off and on, and we've clearly heard bootsteps in the kitchen. mr. dammit does NOT believe in ghosts or spirits, but he was standing directly in front of our bedroom door when it suddenly closed (no windows open, no breeze at all) so he may be re-thinking that.

And, I am a skeptic about almost everything else. I've just had too many experiences to discount. I, for one, welcome our new spirit overlords.

Posted by: dammitjanet at October 22, 2010 10:36 AM

I have had only one strange occurrence that I can remember. It was 15 years ago with my then wife. We were on a road trip in Northern lower Michigan together with our 2 large dogs (Malamute and Ridgeback) when it got late and we decided to put up for the night at a motel. We had been hiking since dawn and were absolutely exhausted. The room was at the very end of the building and from the look of the lot we were one of the few people staying there. It looked like any other motel, nothing ominous about it. When we went to enter the room the malamute would not enter, I eventually grabbed him by the collar and had to practically drag him in the room. The ridgeback came in but immediately started pacing from the back wall to the front door with its hair up. I’m not a real believer in the paranormal, so my first inclination was to check to see if there was someone hiding behind the bed which was about 2 feet from the wall, below a window. Nothing was there so then I decided to check the bathroom, it had a full tub with the shower curtain drawn. The dogs agitated state, my wife’s concerned look has me keyed up by now – I decide go for it - rip back the curtain and nothings there. We start to laugh about the whole thing and decide to catch up on some rest for the next day.
At this point in life we haven’t had any children, so we put up with 160 lbs. of dogs in our bed every night. We climb into bed and neither dog will follow. One still has not left the front door where it is panting and glancing to us and back to the door repeatedly. The other will not lie down and is alternately pacing and sitting. This was very odd behavior, but we were dead tired. We figured they would eventually get tired and fall asleep also.
We both could fall asleep at anytime in minutes so soon we were both asleep. My wife awoke with a scream from a horrible dream about someone coming to get her through the floor. Both dogs were acting the same as before except with the addition of occasional whining. Being young, poor and exhausted we calm each other down and try to get back to sleep (we can’t afford another place for the night on our budget). We were both quite creeped out by this point and wanted the dogs to climb in bed with us and they still refuse. We both eventually fall asleep when something smashes through the window of the bed and lands on top of me holding me down. I struggle to get up and then awake, covered in sweat –it’s just a nightmare. The problem is - both dogs are at the end of our bed - hair up, teeth barred, growling at the window.
That did the trick, we grabbed all our shit and got out of there. It took us hours to calm down and we didn’t stop anywhere to rest until day broke. We are sure the dogs never slept at all while we were there.
I have never experienced anything like it before or after, but there was something terribly wrong with that place.

Posted by: retro at October 22, 2010 10:54 AM

Our TV goes on and off by itself too.

Not to be a spoilsport, but Mrs. , was trying to program the VCR (we're old school, don't judge us) to record "House" for me and it didn't work, but now the TV comes on at 7:50 and goes off at 9:10.

Posted by: , at October 22, 2010 11:00 AM

So Mike B. and Vince Noir, you two don't watch horror movies at all?

Posted by: admin at October 22, 2010 11:13 AM

@ admin:

I love them a lot. I really loved an Australian film called Lake Mungo. I also like fiction in general -- though I don't have the patience for fantasy that I used to, and a lot of sci-fi escapes me.

Posted by: Mike B. at October 22, 2010 11:20 AM

I dreamed my great-grandmother's last moments as they were happening. I dreamed of my Memaw when she passed away. I've had lots of instances where I could feel another presence in a room or house with me from the time I was old enough to remember.

My friend in high school, Angie, lived in a house that had a lot of strange happenings. You always felt as though you were being watched in that house. I had my hair pulled while I was in Angie's room by myself. My hair was pulled so hard that my head snapped back and no one was in the room. Angie and I once went into the attic to get something, but as we were cresting the stairs, something came stomping across the floor towards us. We ran back down the attic steps and out of the house and into the front yard. Angie's Mom asked us what was happening and we told her we heard someone stomping in the attic. She thought we were overreacting. Or at least, that's what she told us. It turns out that the stomping was so loud and persistent that she ended up sleeping in a chair in the living room with a gun in case there was an intruder in the attic.

Another time, we were sleeping in Angie's living room when I heard someone walk in. I raised my head and saw Angie sleeping on the couch and no one in the room. I covered my head up and tried to sleep, but something fell on top of me. It felt like a body pressing on my back, and I was unable to move. I struggled and was finally able to get whatever it was off of me, but I was freaked out,

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits at October 22, 2010 11:45 AM

My college roommate and I were alone in our dorm room. We were sitting on my bed talking when her bed started squeaking loudly. It was the sound of rusty springs, only there was no perceptible movement. We were quiet and just stared at the bed for a while as the noise continued. My friend finally got up and walked over to her bed. She said, "Whoever you are, would you please stop?"

The sound immediately stopped.

We lived in that room for two years, and nothing like that ever happened again.

Posted by: calypso at October 22, 2010 11:47 AM

Vince, Mike, with respect, let us have our fun.

If it bothers you so much to read that some of us honestly believe in ghosts or whatever, then go someplace else and feel superior because a lot of of us have had experiences that we believe to be supernatural. Whether or not you believe in that sort of thing, or whether or not you've read books that explain it away, doesn't make a bit of difference.

Also, if one of your books mentions that "Challenges to anecdotes are now seen as hostile" that is probably true because someone who really believes something that they've experienced is true doesn't like to be called a liar. I'd be pissed off too.

Maybe some people believe the idea of ghosts is all crazy and that nothing else exists except for science and rationality, but not everyone.

Let us tell our stories without the judgement, please.

Posted by: ZombieNurse at October 22, 2010 12:06 PM

Vince, Mike, et. al: You can't disprove the existence of ghosts anymore than we can prove it. I respect your opinions, but disagree with them. Anecdotal evidence shouldn't be taken at face value, but it shouldn't automatically be dismissed either. That would be like saying the victim of a crime can't testify in court because they can't prove every word of their story happened exactly as they said it happened.

The challenge of proving the existence of ghosts is that the initial stage of evidence, personal anecdotes, flies in the face of traditional scientific theory. You don't investigate a paranormal occurrence until someone not involved in the field reports experiencing something. That means the people running the experiment aren't the impetus for the experiment and are following a story that may or may not have happened. It doesn't matter how much evidence they collect to support their theories, the field will always be looked at with high levels of skepticism until someone can work around the need for anecdotal third-party evidence to initiate experimentation.

Then again, people used to be sentenced to death for saying unprovable things like "the world is round" and "the Earth revolves around the sun." They were also put to death for worshiping Satan, not believing in the same sky dessert, and casting famine on villages with witchcraft. Who knows what side the relatively new field of paranormal investigation will fall on in the long run?

Posted by: Robert at October 22, 2010 12:40 PM

ZombieNurse, excellent point. I am a huge skeptic myself and believe that most paranormal experiences (the ones on "Ghost Hunters" and whatnot anyway) can be explained. But in reading all of these comments, I see rational people telling, for the most part, believable stories that they sincerely believe to be true, and that's hard to ignore.

My story isn't scary, and I'm not sure it qualifies as a ghost story, but it's kinda weird. It's also pretty graphic (in a personal way). So I've given you fair warning if you want to stop reading now.

My freshman year of college I lived in a standard dorm with a roommate. There was nothing weird about it at all, but about a month into living there, I had a very odd dream in which I did some adult things with a beautiful brunette woman. This lead to an involuntary bodily reaction which forced me to change my pajama bottoms in the middle of the night (Sorry, I warned you). This was the first time a dream caused me to have such a reaction. I pretty much forgot about it and was just happy my roommate didn't wake up while it was happening. That was until it happened again about a week later. I don't remember anything about that dream except that the same woman was in it and it caused the same thing to happen. It just struck me as odd that I would have a sexual dream about the same woman that I'd never seen, or at least didn't remember seeing, twice. The main thing concerning me about the whole thing was that I didn't want to wake up my roommate with these dreams and end up having seriously awkward conversation the next morning.

Luckily, I don't think he noticed anything, and a few weeks went by with me sleeping normally. A few weeks following the second dream, my roommate went home for the weekend, so I had the room to myself. As I was about to go to sleep I said to myself jokingly something like "All right lady, the roommate's not here, so if you're still gonna be fucking with my dreams now's the time". I didn't expect anything to happen, but at about 5 that morning I had a dream about her. This continued very sporadically, maybe once every other month, for the rest of my freshman year. It was the same woman every time, and I still have no idea who she was. The dreams were always sexual.

The next year, I moved out of that dorm and I haven't seen her since. My friend jokes that she was a succubus, but neither of us really believe that. I'm sure it was just some subconscious mind thing, but it was just a very odd experience.

Sorry if I grossed anyone out too badly.

Posted by: Different Name at October 22, 2010 1:04 PM

@ ZombieNurse: You make a very good point. It was rude to enter a thread about ghost stories in the spirit with which I entered it.

@ Robert: I'm not as convinced by your counters as you're not convinced by my initial statement of incredulity. Using Occam's Razor, it just seems much more likely (to me, at any rate) that ghosts don't exist. Starting from the premise that they do exist presents a whole host of challenges -- scientific, theological, philosophical -- that would ultimately end up contradicting one another.

Posted by: Mike B. at October 22, 2010 1:10 PM

I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks, I do I do I do I do I do believe in spooks!
That being said, I don't have any particulary scary stories, but I can say that a ghost lived with me.
I lived in a condo that wasn't terribly old, probably built in the 80s, typical apartment style. It was the first place I'd lived alone. I used to see my ghost while watching tv in the living room...out of the corner of my eye I'd see what looked like someone's head peaking around the corner of a wall at me. Of course when I would turn to look nothing would be there.
Things would go missing, like the tube of toothpaste I couldn't find until after I walked out of the bathroom and back in again, to see it in full view, lying on the bathroom counter, knowing it hadn't been there moments earlier.
My ex boyfriend fell asleep on the couch in the living room one evening, and I was in the bedroom putting away laundry when I suddenly heard him yell. He was apparently startled awake by an icy cold wind that came from nowhere. The door and windows were shut tight.
A girlfriend of mine spent the night once and slept on the couch. Early in the morning she heard me come walking out of my bedroom across the carpet and stop right in front of her. She could feel me standing there hovering over her and figured I was about to scare her awake. She figures "I'll show her" and opens her eyes to say "hah!" and no one was there. I was still fast asleep in my room.
Various unexplained noises that definitely sounded like they were IN the apartment, and not coming from a connected unit.
Once I bent over in my bedroom to straighten out a throw rug that had moved a bit on the floor, and when I stood straight I saw the hazy figure of what appeared to be a tall man standing in the doorway. Then it disappeared.
My favorite memory though, happened on Valentine's Day. The night before I was home alone and decided to light a few scented candles. Most of them were various vanilla scents, and white in color, except for the one red candle I had in the apartment. I was about to light it but decided against it b/c it had a cinnamon scent and I figured I'd stick with vanilla.
Later I blew out all the candles and went to bed.
The next morning, which was Valentine's day, I woke up, got a shower and proceeded to get ready for work. Later I walked out of my bedroom to go to the kitchen and start my coffee. Something in the living room caught my eye and stopped me dead in my tracks.
The one red candle I had decided not to light the night before was burning right in front of me.
It wasn't burned down very low as if it had been going all night and there wasn't a lot of melted wax...it looked like it had just been lit a little while before.
I got a little freaked out at that point...and called my then boyfriend to tell him what happened. When I got off the phone I said "thank you, and happy Valentine's day to you, too" and blew the candle out.

Posted by: Whorish Mouth at October 22, 2010 2:42 PM

@Mike B.

"It was rude to enter a thread about ghost stories in the spirit with which I entered it."

*snerk! Pun intended? Nice!

Posted by: ZombieNurse at October 22, 2010 3:15 PM

Can I retroactively say, "Yes"?

Posted by: Mike B. at October 22, 2010 3:17 PM

My husband and I used to live in a house, with another roommate, that definitely had a negative vibe to it. There were people who lived in the flat upstairs too, but by the end of our time there the upstairs was only sporadically occupied. Two things happened to my husband in that house that freaked him out. He was up very late one night, as he was prone to do during our undergrad years, working in his make-shift office that was in the entryway of our flat. The stairs that went up to the flat above were directly over this entryway. He started hearing noises like someone was being thrown forcefully down those stairs, over and over. He was pretty concerned about whoever it was, because the noise indicated serious bodily harm, so he went to check out what was going on. Turns out there was no one upstairs at the time, as in lights out and unoccupied. The other instance was one night, late enough that my roommate and I were both laying in our beds but early enough that we weren't quite asleep, my husband was taking a shower before bed. So I'm laying there reading peacefully and he suddenly opens our bedroom door and says in a very pissed off voice, "what?!". I give him a completely blank look and he asks why I was just pounding repeatedly on the bathroom door like something was urgently wrong. I said it wasn't me and told him to check with our roommate. Turns out it wasn't her either. I'm a pretty big skeptic, but there aren't a lot of ways to rationalize those.

In fourth grade three of my friends and I were playing with a ouija board at a table outside of our classroom. We were just dinking around with it, not being very serious, when we said, "if this is real, give us a sign." Damned if the fire alarm didn't go off right that second. I can acknowledge that that was the coincidence of a lifetime, but it freaked our shit out.

My favorite false ghost story was in 7th grade when I was babysitting my younger brother one night. I was napping on the couch in the family room when I heard the sound of glass shattering. It woke me up immediately and I saw that a light bulb had broken on the hard wood floor just outside of the carpeted family room area. My brother was sitting stone faced in a chair on the opposite side of the family room. Upon investigation there was no way the bulb could have just accidentally come unscrewed and floated two feet away to where it eventually broke. My brother swore he had nothing to do with it. I was convinced paranormal activity was afoot. My brother maintained his story of ignorant innocence for a good 15 years before he finally told me that he was the one who unscrewed the lightbulb and dropped it on the floor. He somehow very quickly made it to the chair before I was startled awake. Needless to say he laughed his ass off that I had spent so many years truly thinking it was a ghost. I had to laugh too.

Posted by: katy at October 22, 2010 3:24 PM

I lived in the Octagon apartment building on Roosevelt Island in New York--formerly known as the Lunatic Assylum of Blackwell Island. It's a beautiful building and I moved in right after the renovation to an apartment on the sixth floor. I think the place has something weird going on. I was fine walking in the newer sections of the building but when I had to travel through the older section to get to the laundry room I felt nervous, like I was being watched. One night I was sleeping and woke up around 3:00 to loud noises in the hallway. Garbage collection in the building was never that early. I gathered my courage and stuck my head out of the door to look out in the hallway. There was nothing there! It sounded like people were running up and down the hall and playing with the fire escape door but when I looked--nothing, but the hall had a weird vibe like someone had been there. I also heard people talking through the vents in the bathroom. Not normal neighbor talking, it was the always the same weird whispering voices that happened at all hours of the night. Just a bit creepy.

Posted by: Sar at October 22, 2010 7:19 PM

I don't really believe in ghosts and the like.

But I really never ever touch a Ouija board.

I do believe that there's evil out there.

Posted by: Candee at October 23, 2010 12:04 AM

TylerDFC: OK. If this is the route we are going to take (more and more people in the mid-west are seeing UFOs so therefore there must be aliens from Centauri-8!!!) then I will fucking take it.

By the way, "UFO" stands for "UNIDENTIFIED flying object." My point is it could be a fucking bird. Maybe a pigeon if you are a city boy. (In related news, I once parked a block from my boyfriend's house and had a flock of pigeons chase me, repeatedly. And no, Alfred Hitchcock was nowhere nearby. They were just hungry for some bird seed.)

The SECOND I see any kind of real, proven evidence of "ghosts" (whatever the fuck that means) I will consider believing in them. How many people believe in "karma" or "homeopathy" or "Spencer Pratt's magical crystals"?

Your belief in ghosts is EXACTLY as valid as Spencer Pratt's belief in Magical Crystals.

Give me proof beyond "lots of people think so" you asshole.

Posted by: Vince Noir at October 23, 2010 3:05 AM

Oh, and TylerDFC: To suggest that there is more "evidence" of supernatural activity than there is not is among the most grossly ignorant and outrageous statements I have ever heard in my short but beautiful life.

Evidence? Someone else commented that anecdote is NOT proof. Yours is not proof nor evidence in the realm of science, politics, mathematics...shit, it is only proof in the field of really shitty fiction. Not even geeks who read terrible Sci-Fi accept anecdote ("I saw a UFO!") as truth in the stories. Grow a fucking brain and get the fuck off my favorite site. I cannot abide this level of Sarah Palin ignorance.

Please, tell me your family's ghost is going to smite me down. If they do, I'll send you a cookie.

Posted by: Vince Noir at October 23, 2010 3:21 AM

Robert: You are absolutely right that anecdotal evidence cannot be discounted outright. It requires scientific testing to determine if there is any truth. What is science? Is it the molecular weight of Tungsten? Nope. Science is the systematic development of an idea followed by controlled experiments to determine if something is possibly true or not.

How many people in the history of the world do you think have believed their relatives or enemies were talking to them and tried to prove it? Has ANYONE come up with any proof of the positive? No? Well I concede as a scientist that we can never prove a negative (that ghosts do not exist) but I can as sure as hell after working in the mental health field assure you that even "normal" people are capable of amazing delusions.

Can I ever disprove the existence of Christ the Lord? No. Can I ever disprove the existence of Roger Rabit, the Savior of Toon-Kind? Nope. I fucking can't.

This whole Halloween post has almost made me need to find a new favorite site if so many people are completely unwilling to grasp the process of science in its simplest form. It's sad to me, though you guys tend to have great taste in movies (and ironically, great disdain for religiously bigoted politicians).

Posted by: Vince Noir at October 23, 2010 3:37 AM

Oh, Vince Noir, such hostility. It's unbelievable to me that you are this angry about people telling some damn ghost stories. Sometimes it's fun to tell stories, and to admit "yeah, I don't have any explanation for this thing that happened to me." Sure, there may be a rational explanation, but what's the fun in that? It's like watching a magician: even though you know it's not real, it can still be fun to watch. Maybe not for you, though, since you clearly can't get any enjoyment out of something that you personally know (or believe) to be untrue. So then it surprises me that you watch movies or tv shows, read fiction, go to the theatre, or participate in any other activity that's based in fiction. Because you know that those things are untrue, and can't be scientifically proven to be factual. If you don't like this thread, don't read it. Skip to the next one, and move on with your life.

Posted by: KittyCat at October 23, 2010 1:38 PM

About 10 years ago I was in England in a little town where William Wordsworth wrote a bit of poetry in a little cottage. Throughout this whole trip we encountered several places we were not allowed to take photos. In fact, I believe we weren't allowed to take photos inside the cottage, just outside. After the tour of the cottage a group of us walked to the small church in the town. William Wordsworth is buried in a lot by the church. Anyway, I was inside the church and I was not sure if we were allowed to take photos. I waited until everyone had left the church and I looked around to make sure everyone was gone because I was not sure if photography was allowed inside the church. I looked to make sure no one was around and I took a quick snapshot towards the altar. After I got home from Europe, I got the film developed and there is a man standing in front of the alter, very clearly, looking at me. My evidence is the photograph and anecdotally, I am telling you no one was standing in front of the altar when I took that photo. I made absolutely sure no one was around to see me take a photo. The entire trip we were warned that some places were known for ripping out film from your camera if you were caught taking pictures in places you weren't allowed to take pictures. I looked to make sure no one was around and I know I would have seen a man standing in front of the altar.

Posted by: L at October 23, 2010 5:45 PM

KittyCat I think you totally misunderstood my posts. (By the way, I was in a bad mood and tipsy when I wrote them, but I stand by their message).

These are my points: I love fiction and especially Sci-Fi. But the point of fiction is (I hope) to illustrate the good or bad that may come of FICTIONAL beliefs or situations, and not to convince real people of their truth. I am a tremendous fan of zombies and such. I have on many occasions been freaked out by ordinary events that I could not explain at the time (or even now, on occasion). BUT, I am absolutely alarmed at how frequently people posting on this forum sincerely believe that some unexplained coincidence or experience was caused by magic. Dead people! Ghosts! Witchcraft and monsters!

This bugs me so much because the Salem Witch Trials are not just a fun anecdote for 10th grade English class...These kind of things happen in real life. A LOT. People tend to believe in demonic forces invading the mundane and as harmless as it may seem to you or me, these thought processes remind me of the idiocy and brutality of humanity.

I wonder how much money people pay to have the spiritual auras of their "haunted" homes cleansed; how much people pay for acupuncture from their delusional neighbor; how much people pay for a "shaman" or "exorcist" to remove the evil spirits from their souls.

This shit is real because superstitious people have watched too many shitty movies or because they were born into exploitative religions.

It is no different than Quack Doctors and internet ads telling you acai berry will cure ovarian cancer and help you lose weight.

Side bar: Acai berry was a VERY high-calorie staple food in South America before dimwit Americans re-purposed it as a "superfood" and made it so expensive that it is unaffordable now to the people who rely on it.

POINT: Superstition is very, very dangerous.

Posted by: Vince Noir at October 24, 2010 2:49 AM