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You Know, Xenu is a Real Dick

By Courtney Enlow | Celebrities Are Better than You | September 25, 2013 | Comments ()


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Sure, the Church of Scientology is a moneygrubbing murder cult. But they’re also just massive dicks, you guys.

Stacey Carosi, aka, Leah Remini, is now a contestant on Dancing with the Stars, a show I care nothing about (FALSE, I care a lot about how it is an ABOMINATION! against the art of DAHNCE) but really want her to win because I like her now that she’s a soldier in the war against L. Ron. On Monday’s episode, Remini spoke of the church’s dickitry.

“The church is looking for me to fail,” she said, “So they can say, ‘Look what happens when you leave.’”

Naturally, public relations winners that they are, the church had something to say.

“We know this may come as a surprise to someone as self-absorbed as Ms. Remini, but we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the Stars.”

Every time Scientology is mentioned on the internet, some devil’s advocate pipes in with the ever-original “they’re no better or worse than any other religion.” And that’s just not true. Because they are fucking bananapants, they’re scary and they’re just assholes. Yes, other religions are pretty dicky, too, but Scientology is a special brand of shitty, rude, mean and utterly irritating. Ugh.

Honestly, I feel like the scary murder cult stuff is only the second or third worst thing about them. The worst is just what simpering buttholes they are. How do they not know the image they put out? How do they not just fake it like every other business on the planet and just pretend they’re not complete and total chudholes? It’s like their entire public relations department is staffed by William Zabka characters. People who professionally punch baby seals in the skull with crowbars are friendlier.

I guess my point is that Scientology either needs to shut down or get some new spokespeople. Ones who don’t own summer homes in Satan’s lower intestine.




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  • manting

    Scientology is only 50 or so years old and has less than 40,000 members world wide. So they CANT go to war with anyone, its simple numbers. They did however, engage in the LARGEST infiltration of the U.S. Govt ever. Scientology is different from every other religion in that it charges you for services. A catholic priest does not require payment for confession. A rabbi does not charge for his "wisdom." Mormons and a host of other religions tithe (usually around 10 percent of income) but scientology charges huge sums and pressures its members for money constantly. It is a scam and its sad that it is not treated as one.

  • Donna SHerman

    Of COURSE they used "could care less" in their statement. Of course they did.

  • John G.

    Scientology is creepy and secretive. They sue people who say anything about them and they go after ex-members in a really horrific way, but so far they haven't gone to war with people of different faiths, killing them in brutal ways by the hundreds of thousands, like Catholicism. Maybe they'll be just as inert and mellow in 2,000 years.

  • Bell Swerve

    Give them time, give them time.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    I believe you're forgetting the war that Scientology fought: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt01...

  • God Of Bal-Sagoth

    What's quite interesting about scientology is something that separates them from every other religion in the world: Basically, there are two kinds of people on this earth: People who think Scientologists are delusional borderline-psychotics... and Scientologists themselves. And no middle ground. There's no one who's like, "eh, I'm not a scientologist, but live and let live." You either see the crazy, or you embrace it.

    That is, to me, freaking fascinating. It may well be the most polarizing religion in human history.

  • foolsage

    I'd say there are two other things that differentiate the C.O.S. from all other religious organizations in the world:

    1) The C.O.S. is consistently accused of crimes. I mean, there's roughly one new story every few weeks. And I'm not talking about personal crimes like a priest molesting children, or even institutional coverups to mask personal failures; I'm talking about the entire organization and its leadership being accused of fraud, blackmail, extortion, etc.

    2) The C.O.S. openly and repeatedly lies about the belief system of Scientology. If you're ever stopped by one of the people offering a "personality survey" (or whatever other euphemism they come up with to connect you to their openly fraudulent e-meters for some pretend playtime), ask them about Xenu. They'll deny that Xenu is part of Scientology's belief systems. The whole thing is a scam; you have to pay to be "audited", and when you've paid enough and proven that you won't reveal their "secrets", you're slowly exposed to more and more of the underlying space-opera belief system. There is not a single other religion of which I'm aware that has esoteric teachings that are part of the exoteric teachings; aka hidden truths that underlie public teachings. In every other religion, the esoteric teachings are part of a separate branch of that religion, e.g. Sufism in Islam, Gnostic Christianity, etc. Scientology, alone of all world religions, simply will not tell an unbeliever what their core beliefs are; if asked, they'll lie. That's pretty damned unique.

  • kirbyjay

    I agree. If you believe in Xenu, embrace the Xenu. Lying about it implies that they know it's batshit but they have to feed the believers something after taking all of their money.

  • foolsage

    Exactly. They know that people wouldn't take that nonsense seriously unless said people have already completely "bought in", both by investing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in auditing, and by literally limiting all their personal relationships to other believers. Anyone with a rational perspective is likely to see the Xenu story for what it is, so they simply won't share that story with anyone that still seems to have a rational perspective.

  • Mrs. Julien

    Are the Scientologybots here yet? And by "bots" I mean people who have signed a billion lifetimes over to Xenu and are required to trawl the internet to make troll comments defending Scientology.

  • manting

    those were paid non sicentologists - COS forbids its members to view any material that insults or demeans scientology. This includes websites, newscasts, books, ect. Anyone caught viewing this material is punished. I highly advise watching the BBC Panorama "Scientology and me - there are two parts so watch part two as well. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com...

  • Jo 'Mama' Besser

    They got waylaid disappearing the gypsy woman.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Xenu would like to have a word with you about your suppressive ways. We clearly need to have a talk about your e meter levels. Please meet us under John Travolta's wig for a quick evaluation.

  • foolsage

    The C.O.S. doesn't pay many people anymore to do that, from what I can see; those kinds of comments have dried up a lot in the last five years or so. I used to have a bit of fun trolling those folks.

  • Guest

    Could/couldn't care less is a lot like using 'literally' incorrectly: the point is to be facetious. Personally, I could care less about the outrage.

  • e jerry powell

    I prefer "Count the number of fucks I don't give," personally.

  • youwotm8- just kidding have a

    Yeah but, no, sorry.

    If you could care less, that indicates that you do care to some degree. By saying you could care less, you are merely communicating that you do indeed actually care, but possess the capacity to lower the level in which you care. Which is pointless statement to make.

    If you couldn't care less, you are literally at the point in which the levels at which you care are at zero percent.

    Also, the 'literally' thing is, in my opinion, stupid.

  • foolsage

    I could care less, as well. Though, strictly speaking, I could also care considerably more. The fact is, I do care, but there are other things about which I care far more.

    Nuance is important.

  • Mrs. Julien

    Clearly, you are not one of Nature's Pajibans. Issues like "could" versus "couldn't" care less, or literally/figuratively are the kinds of things we go to the mattresses for. We go to our bunks as well, but that is something entirely different and a discussion for another day.

  • Jo 'Mama' Besser

    They don't make harridans screechier than me. I have a mental set list of misuses that make me want to engage in some kind of mass en-stab-u-a-tion.

    -When 'quote' is used a noun
    -When 'regime' is used where 'regimen' is appropriate
    -When 'dove' is used where it should be 'dived'
    -When 'momentarily' is used in relation to the future
    -'Can I help who's next'

    I have more, but I won't make anyone endure it.

  • emmalita

    Absolutely.*

    *Misuse of this word makes me see red.

  • linnyloo

    I'm a psychologist. Scientologists think I'm the devil. It's somewhat amusing. Not so amusing when they tell people on antipsychotics or suffering from post-partum depression that all they need is a sauna and vitamins, though.

  • manting

    while I believe the COS is wrong in nearly every belief they have I do agree that we are WAY overmedicated. I naturally do not believe that psychologists caused the holocaust as those nuts do, I do think we need to stop giving pills to kids for ADHD which is a fancy way of saying kids get bored in class. Naturally in some extreme cases medication is appropriate but the number of diagnoses is alarming. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04...

  • Jo 'Mama' Besser

    They also believe that John Travolta is straight, so obviously someone is guilty of dereliction of duty for not mixing a can of Batshit-B-Gone into their barley water. Fortunately, they discredit themselves so thoroughly and frequently that almost no one can be pulled into their shit cyclone, so they can go take a hooping funt.

    Your work is keeping some of us alive, never change. Thank-you.

  • emmalita

    They have some scary crackpot conspiracy theories about psychiatry and psychology. And they have tried to get some really awful anti-psychology laws passed.

  • linnyloo

    I once saw a Scientologist at a Panera, waiting for a meeting or something (wearing red, copy of Dianetics in front of him), and I wanted to sidle up to him and say, "I'm a psychologist... and I've been watching you" and then run away laughing maniacally. ...I pussied out, but man, that would've been hilarious.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    It would have been hilarious, until you blacked out and woke up in a re-education camp next to David Miscavige's wife.

    Glad you're here to snark with us instead.

  • manting

    she is actually at a secret base where they machine etch all of LRH's writings onto metal plates and placed in secure underground bunkers so they survive a nuclear war. The base has a fence with spikes on the top- that face inward no outward. It is called the Church of Spiritual Technology.

  • emmalita

    That would have been amazing! But I probably wouldn't have done it either.

  • John W

    I still would like to know how they recruit people? What is their pitch?

    "Join Scientology and become successful or be doomed to failure?"

    Because if it revolves around the whole thetan thing I don't see how some one could see that as appealing.

  • Parsnip

    In 1994 I had moved to new town where I knew no one. One day while walking through the town centre a pleasant, friendly and well dressed person stopped me and asked if I would be happy to answer some questions. I've never been rude to canvasses, as I've always thought it can't be an easy job, so I said sure, ask away. Seemed harmless enough. And ask they did, questions I was unprepared for: how happy was I, did I feel lonely, was I struggling with life. In that moment, I was made to feel aware of how lonely and sad I was and this stranger seemed to understand (and care about) what I was going through. I felt a sense of relief and could've cried. After the questions the person introduced themselves as a member of SOC and would I like to enter the centre to learn more about the organisation and how it could help me. Alarm bells went off inside me, I'd already heard and read enough about SOC to decline their offer. As I walked away, I thought, so that's how the SOC gets people to join, by tapping into their vulnerabilities.

  • Uda

    They post misleading ads on things like Craigslist claiming they can help with anxiety, stress, depression or relationship problems. They also use their fake rehab programs to teach introductory Scientology courses.

    If you're interested, Tony Ortega breaks down some of their ads on his blog: http://tonyortega.org/2013/09/...

  • manting

    the underground bunker is great - Love Ortega - cant wait for his book

  • Wigamer

    Is the billion year contracts of servitude? It's those, right?

  • Drake

    My former office was across the street from their local headquarters. They deployed nice-looking young people to the streets offering free "personality tests", promising to show you how you are getting the the way of your own success.

  • Bell Swerve

    In the UK it's the same (nice looking students) but they offer 'stress tests'. It's quite subtle until you see the Dianetics book on the table (which of course you can't keep).

  • My husband knows people who went to rehab and didn't realize it was *that* rehab. They're big on sweating out your addiction, meaning they will torture and dehydrate you into needing them and being grateful for water.

  • People are often looking for a quick fix, or community and a place to belong and that is often how people get sucked into these things. I can't imagine how they get duped into giving the cult all of their money but it seems to happen a lot.

  • kirbyjay

    Just read The Road to Xenu, written by a former member who joined in the 70's. She described actual auditing sessions, most of the books on Scientology have never described the process, and it is basically slow cook brain washing. Most inductees are insecure, lonely, looking to belong and easy prey. The auditing process is beyond ridiculous but it works, sucking in these poor souls. She had no money to "donate" so she was recruited for the Sea Org, where she stayed until she reached OT 3 where the big secret is revealed ( Xenu). When she began questioning the whole process she was expunged for the organization.

  • kirbyjay

    expunged "from" the organization

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Join Scientology. Our winners succeed exactly to their wildest imaginations.

    You are a winner, aren't you?

  • Yorn

    There are no winners here. Scientology is clearly awful but Leah Remini has always come off as a douche bag. Why can't she just walk away with dignity instead of bringing up Scientology at every opportunity? The best revenge is living well not using Dancing with the Stars as a forum to bash a cult that she blindly followed for most of her life. If you'll excuse me, I have to go. PETA is rooting for me to fail my driving exam.

  • Shannon

    Yorn, I think you make good sense here. And I have always felt that often, in an argument, silence or no reaction is the strongest reaction. But you have to consider Leah was once of a mind that willingly joined the organization and probably endured some substantial emotional & mental abuse during her membership. Although it appears she is now mentally strong enough to realize her life is better living outside of the group, she is probably not any where near 100% mentally or emotionally. I think her decision to discuss it publicly is a sign of her current state of mind and possibly an attempt to heal some of her wounds by speaking out against them, which seems to be considered the groups greatest sin? Don't get me wrong, I don't care about Leah or Scientology. I know very little about both and neither has anything to do with me. I just think the psychology of her speaking out against them publicly makes sense considering what she may have been through.

  • Jo 'Mama' Besser

    I think she was born into it, so that must make a person feel all the more untethered when leaving.

  • Shannon

    Maybe she'll start her own reality show. On TLC. Call it "Breaking Scientology".

  • Guest

    She could start her own reality show now. On TLC. Call it "Breaking Scientology".

  • Uda

    Her mother joined Scientology when Leah was 6, and Leah and her older sister joined the Sea Org when they were 12 and 14. So she's had experiences in that cult that most celebrities are pretty ignorant to. They were even chased out of the Sea Org for refusing to go to the Rehabilitation Project Force after both girls were accused of having premarital sex. After that their mother moved them to L.A. where they went straight back to taking Scientology courses.

  • Jo 'Mama' Besser

    Oh, wow. Interesting. Thanks for teaching me that :)

  • Jo 'Mama' Besser

    Just like the gypsy woman said!

  • TCH

    Scientologists attempted to frame a reporter for a bomb plot and almost succeeded. I believe she almost had a nervous break down.

  • manting

    she did - she went crazy - they also spread rumors among her neighbors that she was a whore with stds. They also attempted to kill her. She broke her silence a few years back after decades due to her fear of the COS. She is the first and perhaps greatest example of the practice of FAIR GAME.

  • Jen

    The show hardly an abomination on the art of dance. The professional dancers on the show are best in the world. And besides it's just supposed to be fun so get the stick out of your pretentious ass Courtney

  • InternetMagpie

    Yeah, COURTNEY! How very dare you question the institution that brought us Emmett Smith, Dance Champion!

  • guestghost

    Regardless, she's entitled to her opinion (Jen, I mean). Seems like this site is getting pretty darned intolerant and quick to gang up on dissenting voices. The show (DWTS) IS supposed to be fun, after all. And the article DOES come off as a bit pretentious.

  • Bert_McGurt

    You know, I'm quite sure the "intolerance" you think you're seeing has less to do with her dissenting opinion and more to do with the last nine words of her comment.

  • DominaNefret

    I wish I could agree with you, but we is a bunch of snobs up in here.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    It's true. You're lucky you haven't been stoned already. People take their reality show-dancing competitions-C list celebrities very seriously around here.

  • $27019454

    Yeah, no. That was me, posting as guestghost above. I was having trouble with Disqus at work.It does seem like lately you can't have a dissenting voice here without being ridiculed and ganged up on (Miley Cyrus thread...dear God.). And yes I realize that that is Pajiba's stock in trade. But it all used to feel different. To me. I own that my feelings may have something to do with my own self changing a bit, I guess,probably, and I own that I am kinda frustrated with this site lately, but that's just my opinion, and lest I be thought one who employs the same tactic I am frustrated about, I should I guess keep my thoughts to myself and just not post. So yeah. While I don't agree with Jen that DWTS is good (I admit I have not really watched it, so, yeah) but I kinda feel her frustration. But that, as I have said, is just me. No big hoo-ha. Just wanted to own my (dissenting) remark and see myself out.

  • emmalita

    I would be sad if you went away for good.

  • alwaysanswerb

    Pretty seriously, but not as seriously as I take it when they insult CW beefcake

  • stella

    Bill Nyes on there this season too and Bill Nye is the best.

  • lowercase_ryan

    You're right, but you're way wrong too. The scary murder cult stuff IS the worst thing about them. Rampant child abuse, it is truly, truly criminal and should be stopped. Look into Sea Org and tell me if you disagree that their assholery comes in a distant second to the crimes they commit daily that should have the higher-ups behind bars for decades.

    Fuck them.

  • Bell Swerve

    I'm very happy that in the UK they can't call themselves a religion - they don't say what they worship. So we can legally say that Tom Cruise is kind of a cu*t leader.

    I had a taxi driver once who was a British Scientologist (c/o East Grinstead). He plus wife and kids moved out to Clearwater, FL to do the good work. They then split and he moved back to England to live with his parents, don't know if he had much contact with the kids at all. He told me with an absolutely straight - if desperate - face that the only criticism of Scientology comes from the pharmaceutical companies and that psychiatric drugs just don't work. I felt like telling him that such medication was currently helping me quite a lot but it was a country road and I didn't want him to freak out. He seemed such a nice guy, probably why they snapped him up.

    It's so much of a scam that they charge people for classes/books whilst spending millions on a Celebrity Centre. It harks back to the medieval practice of priests/holy folk asking for money to absolve sins or touch holy relics.

    The seeming lack of any sort of regulation or oversight of the children and vulnerable adults is shocking - do they have to open their services, classrooms, labour camps to anyone at all?
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/today...

  • e jerry powell

    "Cu*t leader."

    Why waste the energy with going all the way to "leader?"

    ETA: to whomever just replied to me and got moderated, that one word wasn't censored, but the other word is, and your reply is probably not going to be approved, sorry.

  • Bell Swerve

    I was trying to be funny, so you think I'm using The C Word but I'm actually meaning cult. It sounded good in my head, but then it is half 3 here in Blighty.

  • e jerry powell

    No, I got that. Somebody else replied and didn't understand why anyone would censor "cult," and then took it a step too far.

  • Fredo

    Set aside their belief structure, because that's got little to do with their actions. It's their douche mandates that you must distance yourself from family and life-long friends if they leave the "Church" along with how they target anyone who speaks ill of them that makes them major dicks.

  • foolsage

    ^ This. I'm a student of religion; I try to find things to respect and admire about every religion, and, truth be told, not everything that Scientologists believe is utter rubbish. OK, most of it is, but not all of it.

    However, regardless of their beliefs, I can't get past the fact that the C.O.S. is, as far as I can tell, essentially a criminal organization, using a variant Ponzi scheme to defraud people of their money, while using pretty much every dirty trick ever imagined against anyone they perceive as enemies. No, I am not exaggerating. This is a "religion" that literally infiltrated the I.R.S. to try to cover up their activities. There's substantial evidence from dozens of witnesses that they literally imprison dissidents and hold them without trial. Oh, and they're perfectly happy to use extortion, frame people for crimes, etc. to get their way.

    Well, if you ask a Church official, and if you somehow get them to admit that any of this well-established trouble actually occurred, they'll swear it's all in the past, and the Church today is absolutely legit and crime-free. Bull-fucking-shit.

    Look into e.g. Operation Snow White, Operation Freakout, the Fair Game Law, or the C.O.S.' long and troubling history with vexatious litigation. Or, for fun, try to find any sightings of the wife of C.O.S. leader David Miscavige within the last six years.

  • manting

    Best example of COS mode of operation is what happened to the Cult Action Network. Great story - could make a great movie

  • Iman Alterego

    You mean to tell me that Kirstie Alley and Tom Cruise are DOUCHES? It cannot be.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Next you'll tell me John Travolta is bald. You people are cray cray!

  • foolsage

    OMG. I have a friend who worked briefly with Kirstie on a project that she later dropped, then pursued on her own (ripping off my friend in the process; he's happy though not to be working with her and thinks the loss of money was worth it). He claims she was intolerable; self-absorbed, snotty, and full of herself.

  • emmalita

    I am so shocked to hear that. tsk, tsk.

  • emmalita

    I'm going to let David Mitchell rant about caring less. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

  • how

    I don't understand how people use 'could care less' without realising how stupid it is.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    You're being a suppressive person. Do you need some time in Xenu's school of DON'T QUESTION MY AUTHORITY?

  • emmalita

    I am an irredeemable suppressive person. No amount of schooling will change me.

  • foolsage

    And that's what we love about you. :)

  • emmalita

    Gracias. /blushes

  • BendinIntheWind

    The use of "could" care less is making my EYELIDS TWITCH.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    No, no, they meant what they said. They just want you to THINK they couldn't care less. But they do. Oh, how they do. Miscavige had so carefully plotted Remini's comeback to relevance through dance-related subliminal messaging, and now his plans have gone awry.

  • APOCooter

    As an organization, yeah, they're worse than the non-denominational, progressive worship service down the street (and possibly better than, say, the Westboro Baptist Church). But their belief structure? Galactic civil war against a tyrannical overlord, aliens in volcanos, telepathic/kinetic abilities? Those really are no more batshit insane than, say, an immaculate conception and a resurrection.

  • Ben

    yeah you know what, fuck that. Galactic civil war against overlord aliens in volcanoes is WAY WAY better then magic sky wizard in terms of belief structures.

    If we're picking religions purely based on belief structures then I'm going for the one that sounds like a sci-fi epic every fucking time.

  • BlackRabbit

    Screw that. I'll go worship Thor. That bastard would get stuff done.

  • FrayedMachine

    The issue isn't at all what they believe. The issue is how they're run and the things they do. I'm just going to leave these here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

    I, for one, couldn't give two shits if someone believes that the world was made by aliens or anything else far fetched and in between. But the shit they do is -fucked-.

  • APOCooter

    I'm well aware that they're a terrible organization. However, I'm pointing out that annoying devil's advocates have a point. A religion has two parts: the organization and the beliefs. We're in agreement that they are, in fact, worse than a lot of other religions in terms of the official organization and its actions. But in terms of beliefs, well, one article of faith in a physical impossibility is just as batshit as another.

  • FrayedMachine

    So you're basically admitting that you have no real point. Okay then. Because what these devil's advocates tend to miss is the fact that the Church of Scientology is in fact TERRIBLE at it's core, barring any ridiculous belief system they may have created and follow.

  • APOCooter

    Am I speaking French or something? Where did I say they weren't a terrible organization? I mean, guess one could imply that was saying they were fine because they weren't as big a dick heads as WBC. But then one should probably be tested for an extra 21st chromosome.

  • FrayedMachine

    I think the issue is that you didn't fully understand the original statement the article was making. It says:

    "Every time Scientology is mentioned on the internet, some devil’s advocate pipes in with the ever-original “they’re no better or worse than any other religion.”

    As in that people who try to play devil's advocate (who I have also very clearly referred to) try to argue that Scietnology is no better or worse than any other religion, they fail to comprehend and take into account the actual horrifically terrible things that the organization actively does and takes part in.

    As in. The people you are trying to defend are not worth defending because they miss the point entirely.

  • APOCooter

    I did fully understand the original statement. I agree that the church of scientology is scary, mean, and filled with assholes. Bananapants suggests that they don't have full mental capacity because they believe some batshit stuff, which is also true. But they're no more Bananapants that some dude who believes in an n visible man who lives n the sky, regardless of whether that dude is nice or not.

  • manting

    totally agree. Believing that a jewish carpenter (the first and only) was the son of god, and god at the same time, comes to earth knowing he will be eventually cruxified, then rises from the dead 3 days later, not 2 days or 4 days or 5 minutes but 3 days later. Its just as crazy as Xenu or god living on the planet Kolab or any other religion. Its all crazy. Christianity and Judaism are older - thats the difference

  • FrayedMachine

    I.

    "Yes, other religions are pretty dicky, too, but Scientology is a special brand of shitty, rude, mean and utterly irritating. Ugh."

    The Organization is, in fact, rather insane in their doctrine in the way they actively work to maintain a full hold on their members by forcing them to ostracize themselves from their family and friends, especially if they make any sign at questioning their doctrines. But that statement that follows the "Bananapants" statement that you are clinging to is kind of the defining moment that clearly shows that it's more about how blatantly terrible they are.

    Just. Ugh. Arguing for the sake of arguing is so obnoxious.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Fight the good fight, FrayedMachine. Basically someone just wanted to post to say "all religions are terrible." Or to misunderstand what Courtney explicitly said.

  • FrayedMachine

    I just never get the point of playing Devil's Advocate. There's the rare occasion when you meet someone who does it well and actually offers a new perspective on the topic of discussion but for the most part it's just... so pointless.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    I LOVE playing Devil's Advocate. It is an involuntary reflex of mine. But that wasn't a good example of it.

  • It's always good to come across a fellow compulsive devil's advocate.

  • foolsage

    Pajibaland is a good home for us.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    (and @TyburnBlossom:disqus) True dat. I'm East Coast, whaaaat. Doing a lot of traveling for business this fall, but alas, not Left Coast. I wish. Phoenix, SLC, Denver, Chicago. if only I were on the Facebooks I'd use it as an opportunity to argue with fellow Pajibans in person.

  • foolsage

    I'll wave at you when I fly over the East Coast in a couple of weeks.

  • foolsage

    Me, too. I love a good argument, for the sake of a good argument. Plus, I have a psychological imperative forcing me to point out flaws in people's arguments.

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