Felicia Day Explains to Simpletons Why a Black Human Torch is Good But a White Tiger Lily is Bad
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Felicia Day Explains to Simpletons the Difference Between Casting White Actors in Non-White Roles and Black Actors in White Roles

By Dustin Rowles | Celebrities Are Better than You | March 16, 2014 | Comments ()

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Earlier this week, we learned that Rooney Mara — a white actress — had been cast as Tiger Lily — a Native American character — in the live-action version of Peter Pan. This is not cool. But as Felicia Day learned, when you try to explain in a 140 characters why that’s not cool, a particular segment of the Internet will respond by saying, “Well, why is it not OK for Tiger Lily to be played by a white woman when it’s OK that Human Torch in The Fantastic Four — who is written as a white character — is being played by a black actor (Michael B. Jordan has been cast in that role).

The difference to anyone with three-quarters of a brain cell is fairly obvious, but Felicia Day took to her tumblr to elucidate it more clearly, hopefully in ways that people who are prone to missing THE OBVIOUS could more easily understand.

I am not upset about Tiger Lily, a role originally written for a Native American female character in the book, being cast as white because it upsets the canon. Screw canon. I am upset about a role that was expressly written as a female minority being given to white actor instead. And here is why.

Most lead characters and lead actors of movies are white. Period. I even dug up a recent study to back that up, like this is some fucking term paper or something: Across 100 top-grossing films of 2012, only 10.8% of speaking characters were Black, 4.2% were Hispanic, 5% were Asian, and 3.6% were from other (or mixed race) ethnicities. Just over three-quarters of all speaking characters are White (76.3%).

(In referring to “speaking characters”, I also assume that’s counting judges and store clerks and taxi drivers with just a line or two. You see a lot of casting stick minority characters to check the boxes of “yeah, we had diversity, look!” So we’re not even talking about opportunities to carry the whole movie here.)

Another thing to note from the study: “These trends are relatively stable, as little deviation is observed across the 5-year sample.” Gee, no movement towards reflecting the country or world we live in! Fantastic.

Bottom line, actors of ethnicity don’t get a lot of work to begin with. And that very fact creates a scarcity in the number of actors of different ethnicities to choose from when casting. It’s a chicken and the egg syndrome. In what instance can you point out a role where a Native American actress has a chance to be a lead in any movie? Almost none. So why chase a dream that doesn’t seem like it could come true, because the system would never allow it?

It’s a self-perpetuating reality we live with, so the only way to change it is to break the norm, and cast more leading characters with more diversity. At the very least give roles that are intended to be ethnically diverse to ethnically diverse actors, I mean, BARE MINIMUM, PEOPLE.

So for me, the opportunity to give a leading role that could be a Native American, a possible protagonist role that the audience could relate to and live the story through, to a white actor, is kind of shitty and backwards to me. And that’s why I posted my initial tweet.

To compare Tiger Lily being cast as a white women to Human Torch or Heimdall being cast as an African-American is not equivalent, because I don’t think this issue is about violating or adhering to “lore,” I think it’s about providing more representation. And that’s why I think that the Human Torch being cast as African-American is an awesome thing, because that move evolves Hollywood and storytelling and the Marvel universe.

If you’re still not convinced of why it’s not OK to cast a white actress where there’s an opportunity to cast a non-white actress, let me reduce it down to a simple three word phrase for you: “You’re an idiot.”

Source: Felicia Day’s Tumblr via Geek Girl Diva

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Comments Are Welcome, Bigots and Trolls Are Not

  • James

    Judging by demographics of the US white, black and asian representation is pretty close but hispanic representation is really low, unless she misclassifies White Americans with Hispanic ancestry as white which would of course throw off both the white and hispanic categories.

  • Guest

    So let me get this straight: we're supposed to champion casting non-white actors simply because they're non-white? Ignoring the fact that there would be riots in this comment section if the roles were reversed (can anyone actually prove that white actors are being cast in such numbers simply because they are white?), how is this not blatantly racist?

  • sosumi

    She's basically making a case for affirmative action. There are compelling arguments both for and against affirmative action, but to characterize as "an idiot" anyone who is not convinced by her argument is more provocotive than productive.

  • J Martell

    So, your entire argument for why Felicia Day is right is "You're an idiot."
    Yah, great argument. Real good point. Except it's based on your opinion that everyone is racist but you.

    Day's rant provides no new information to change my mind that having a Caucasian female play a Native American character is any different than having an African American male play a Caucasian character. Of course it's a minority character... So? Johnny Storm is not a minority character... So what's your point? The majority of big name actors are Caucasian... And most of those are men... Obviously that's a problem, but that's not going to get fixed by casting people for characters they do not resemble. That's going to get fixed by creating new characters that are representative of those roles, ethnicities, and looks.

    Want to know what else gets people hot under the collar on casting choices? Gender/race swapping for no other reason than to do it and stir people up. That's what casting directors are doing with stuff like Michael B Jordan and Rooney Mara.... Not because they care one sweet EFF about fairness and equality in casting, but because they sell more tickets to their movies when people are talking more, and people talk more when you make a decisions that are going to piss half them off and make the other half sound a war cry for equality over cannon.

    Greed fuels these decisions... greed and lust for cash.

  • nobcarajo100

    I think all movies should have only non-white characters for the next 20 years until we're even.

  • Marc Greene

    At least tell me that Michael Bluth gets to represent Captain Hook at his trial...

  • Emily Carlisle

    Simpleton=racist. If you're offended by the "tone" of this article, then please shove it where the sun don't shine. (Unless of course you're offended by the use of lesser intelligence as something to be thought of as negative or less than; that would be a valid point.)

  • Stefanina

    The part about this that I do eyerolls at is that the Native American characters in Peter Pan are racist in and of themselves. Casting a white actress actually makes sense in that respect to show that this is a characterization of natives though the eyes of a white person in the past, 1902 or 1904 depending on how you want to track the timeline.

  • Sarah Weissman


  • nobcarajo100

    Hey be more tolerant and open-minded you idiots!

  • googergieger

    White people should never talk about race.

  • Dumily

    In the same way that men should never talk about sexism, and rich people should never talk about income inequality? Those issues should all stay niche topics?

  • googergieger

    Nope. Just white people and race.

  • Dumily

    Care to explain that?

  • googergieger

    Sure thing. Are you white?

  • Dumily

    I am.

  • googergieger

    Ah, welp. 'Fraid I can't talk to you about it then. Not a rule breaker.

    In any case, "no more white people, yes to every other race because there are enough white people already" ain't a fucking argument. And I hate you crackahs.

    *black power fist*

    Or Mexican fist, I guess.

  • Dumily

    Good story, Jeopardy contestant.

  • P.J Fry

    "You're an Idiot" That's sure to win over people to your cause. No wonder your country is so polarized, you insult instead of talk.

  • Dumily

    I get what you're saying, but I also understand the need to dismiss ideas and arguments that are so wholly unacceptable that you can't address them. When someone says "most women who say they're raped are lying" or "poor people just aren't working hard enough" or "gay people don't deserve marriage rights", I can not longer pretend that those are reasonable things to believe. If someone really said "Mara Rooney can play Tigerlilly, but Michael B Jordan can't play the Human Torch", I would in fact disregard that person as an idiot.

  • opiejuankenopie

    To be honest, I had a bigger problem with Jessica Alba as Sue Storm.

  • Marc Greene

    Wow, African Americans ARE underrepresented in films and tv if they are only getting 10.8% of roles when they are at least 12% of the population. That is pretty bad considering 90% of the 10.8% are all black casts like the Tyler Perry movies, TBS shows, or BET shows.

    Why aren't there more Black actors on Game of Thrones? Why isn't Daenerys Targaryen played by an African American? You can keep her brother White, because maybe they are adopted or whatever and he's a dick anyway; it doesn't need to be explained. Apparently the "R R" in George RR Martin means "Really Racist". Or maybe in the next Anne Rice vampire movie, Lestat can be played by Idris Elba. It's all fiction, so who gives a shit. As long as minorities reach a parity of roles in Hollywood compared to Whites, who cares about a reflection of population statistics or service to fans of the source material? Fans who are wiling to spend money on the art that they love and care about are complete stupid assholes anyway. And if they don't like a director turning what they care about into his own ego trip, that's on them for not understanding art. Why can't Tiger Lily be played by an Asian or Latino? She HAS to be Native American? That sounds racist to me. I mean, sure she definitely shouldn't be White. I mean, that would be like casting a woman as Peter Pan... wait, I'm losing track. Are we okay with that? I mean we never read about Pan's peter, so I guess he could be a woman, right? And woman do only get 15% of lead roles in Hollywood while they make up at least 50% of the population... Okay, so Peter Pan should be played by a woman (again) even though he is clearly a he in the book, but whatever. Of course it is supposed to be a Native American princess in a fictional magical fantasy realm populated by flying fairies and immortal children and pirates called NeverNever Land and the source material is sacrosanct... except when it isn't. They just HAD to give it to that hack (and award winning) actress Rooney Mara. Maybe we should all wish she gets that Finding Neverland disease. That will teach her for pursuing her career and taking the roles that the hundreds of qualified look and age appropriate Native American actresses should have been given however well they auditioned. They are a full 1.2% of the population and have only 1% of roles (thanks to Tommy Lee Jones, Quentin Tarantino, Val Kilmer, Lou Diamond Philips, Johnny Depp, Jon Leguizamo, Jessica Alba, James Earl Jones, James Duval, Graham Greene, Demi Moore, Chuck Norris, Cher, Cameron Diaz, Burt Reynolds, and Anthony Quinn)

  • Anna von Beav
  • Marc Greene

    Exactly. Why can't we work on expanding original stories and characters to include more diverse casts a la the Wire, which had one of the most diverse casts I've seen on television BECAUSE it was representing the real diversity of Baltimore. I think these situations are more reflective of people's particular affinity for their particular source material than a huge outcry of racism. Look at the upcoming Captain America movie: two African American leads and one female. Did they have a huge outcry because there was a *gasp* Black man as Falcon or as Nick Fury? No, because there is a prescedent established inthe source material. Could they have an African Anerican Captain America? Sure! The reason is that comic line already exists (he came before Steve Rogers in the program actually). Just because fans care about their source material doesn't mean that they are ignorant shit heads. I mean, they absolutely CAN be, but it isn't right to be prejudiced.

  • Anna von Beav

    I wasn't agreeing with you. At all. Even a little. FYI. I was simply uncertain as to where your tongue was, cheek-wise, with that part specifically.

  • Marc Greene

    Well then, thank you for your support (I guess?). Thank you for being a friend in these turbulent times. I will name my first daughter Anna Von Beav in your honor, my stalwart comrade!

  • Anna von Beav

    It's true, Anna von Beav is a good, strong name for a girl child.

  • Marc Greene

    Know this child [Anna von Beav] will be able
    Laughed as she came to my mother
    Know this child [Anna von Beav] will not suffer
    Laughed as my body she lifted
    Know this child [Anna von Beav] will be gifted
    With love, with patience and with faith
    She'll make her way

    I guess this is my way of asking if you will be my doula, Anna von Beav

  • Sarah Weissman

    I think a lot of people - though I only speak for myself - realize Mara herself isn't as much at fault as the casting agents, production team, etc. But, if Mara were to turn it down, she would still have her pick of roles, I'm sure.

  • fuzzwuzz

    Great article, and not to take away from the discussion about this important issue, but ... another Peter Pan movie?! JFC.

  • Maddy

    EXACTLY. I seriously don't understand how this is difficult to comprehend.

  • John W

    I don't see why anyone is worried about FF's casting, it's just going to be rebooted again in a few years.

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    Can we please also acknowledge the hypocrisy of objections from canon when virtually nobody complained when Michael Clarke Duncan became the Kingpin or when Jamie Foxx got cast as Electro? Fucking with canon on diversity grounds is apparently completely fine as long as you're putting the people of color into villain roles and not heroic ones.

  • Marc Greene

    Except when they cast Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury upending 40 years of Hasselhoffian Nick Fury, but why was that? Oh, maybe because it was established in at least SOME comic canon (Ultimates).

  • wonkeythemonkey

    I will not be silenced! NOBODY upends Hasselhoff!

  • Marc Greene

    "Up my end, KITT", the Hoff.

  • George

    I can't be bothered to look it up, but lots of people complained about Duncan and Foxx. It's an interesting point, though.

  • L.O.V.E.

    This article is fascinating.

    Remind me again what percentage of pajiba writers is Black or Hispanic?

  • DarthBrookes

    Tiger Lily is a Native American character, it's more or less the character's whole description. You can't have a white Tiger Lily unless you basically change the whole identity, back-story and reason for the character.
    Johnny Storm can easily be black. It's not like being white is some fundamental aspect of his character. It might make more sense if Sue Storm was also black, but it's not crucial - we don't need the whole of their comic book family history to be identical to the movie.The point is, there's no aspect of the Human Torch that only works if Johnny Storm is white as the driven snow.
    Now, there are those that made the (quite frankly, moronic) argument that Heimdall being black in Thor was such a big fucking deal because, "HELLO! VIKINGS?" Well, you know why you were wrong if you thought black Asgardians were an insult to your Nordic heritage? Because, HELLO! ASGARDIAN! They aren't Vikings. They're not even really humans - at least not any native to Earth. They are an alien species that came into contact with humans that just happened to be Norsemen. Asgard is likely to have just as many racially distinct groups as does Earth. So, no reason there cannot be a black Heimdall and no reason Heimdall has to be white for the character to make sense.
    And, by the way, I'M descended from Vikings! If you get up in arms about Heimdall not looking like my great grand parents, why aren't you pissing and moaning about the Asgardians on Stargate looking like Grey E.T.s?
    You know the sort of character you can complain about if they don't hire white actors? Red Skull. If Red Skull was played by a non-white actor, then his character wouldn't make sense. Dude's a Nazi. But even then, even if he was just played by someone who could pass for "master race" or maybe needed make-up to pull it off, it's still not the same thing. Much as a lot of racially insecure white folks (let's give them the courtesy of not outright calling them racists) would like it to be, there is no such thing as a "whiteface" eqivalent of blackface or whateverface. And before you get your Confederate flag panties in a bunch, no! Not even White Chicks! It's not "the same thing as minstrel shows!" It's not the same as Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's. If anything it's a study of those things and a demonstration of the difference between oppressing those downtrodden by history and lampooning those priveleged by it.
    And to bring it all back to the subject at hand. If you're a comic book fan who gets up in arms about movies "attacking white identity" then you've missed the point of just about every comic book published today. In fact, if you feel like white people are somehow hard done by, you don't deserve comics. And you're just not smart enough to understand them.

  • P.J Fry

    Aside from the fact that yeah, there's no reason to deny the role to a native american actress, Tiger Lily could be white. She could be a lost girl adopted by the tribe (which by the way is not a historical tribe, it's a group that lives in a fictional world, so anything can happen) Her membership in the clan is crucial, her race isn't. Not that I really care, I just want people to be consistent.

  • stella

    Then wed have to say that her bing adopted would reqire a big explaination that would disrupt the movie.

  • Alicia

    Day is right. Only a real member of the Picaninny tribe should be cast as Tiger Lily.


    Most lead characters and lead actors of movies are white. Period.

    Actually, they aren't. The only way you can maintain that fiction is if you pretend that the USA is the only country that makes movies.

  • Sarah Weissman

    I believe it's pretty clear she's referring to Hollywood...

  • Jezzer

    Sometimes implications get overlooked in the rush to stridently nitpick.

  • TherecanbeonlyoneAdmin

    Pot, meet Kettle.

  • George

    I'm so glad we have Felicia Day to speak out about racism and prejudice in Hollywood! Seriously, though, I admire her for speaking out, but the problem is not only that we have white actors taking on non-white roles, but that we also have white actors speaking out for them. Sadly, Native Americans aren't afforded any platform to tell their own stories.

  • wonkeythemonkey

    Could you tease apart your comment that "the problem is… that we also have white actors speaking out for them" a bit more? I take you to mean that the larger problem is the lack of Native American representation in the discussion. I am guessing that you do NOT mean that if there were an adequate platform for Native Americans to tell their own stories, then white actors should refrain from speaking out on their behalf. Did I understand you correctly?

  • Sarah Weissman

    I'm glad that she used her privilege to say something, but I wholeheartedly agree about there not being a safe platform for Native Americans.

  • Stu Rat

    Can't decide on a comment, so you choose:

    1) Wow! She's kind of bossy.

    2) So you are saying we need more prison movies?


  • chanohack

    How am I the only person down-voting this bullshit? Did I miss the PL link about how to successfully and calmly ignore trolling motherfuckers?

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Disqus doesn't count down votes any more. Also, such an obvious troll, who can be bothered?

  • alwaysanswerb

    Guh? Why even have the arrow then? [flails in the web of her own confusion]

  • Kate at June

    This makes me so sad.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Oh yeah. That announcement pissed me off. It's part of "everyone play in the sandbox together nicely now." Blah blah blah.

  • Except that the downvote count helped everybody play in the sandbox together nicely. Now I feel like I actually have to respond with my disdain more frequently when I used to just get the satisfaction of adding one more downvote to a large number.

  • chanohack

    And angry!

  • Al Borland's Beard

    I'm mostly upset that I won't get to see Johnny Depp's take on Tiger Lily.

  • Salad_Is_Murder

    Yeah, I never got around to seeing the Lone Ranger reboot either.

  • BWeaves

    Go watch Ed Wood.

  • Salad_Is_Murder

    Hey, I heard they're casting Idris Elba as Heimdall in the new Thor movie. slowpokeisslow.jpg

  • jade ru

    Well thank goodness that a white actress has told me how I'm supposed to feel about unfair casting decisions. I was so close to being an idiot. Whew...that was a close one.

  • foolsage

    So, would you like the words more, or find yourself more inclined to agree with them, if they had been written by a person with darker skin than Felicia has?

    Felicia wasn't writing about herself, by the way, but about our society and how films reflect and affect it. Why then is her opinion worthless?

  • George

    "So, would you like the words more, or find yourself more inclined to agree with them, if they had been written by a person with darker skin than Felicia has?"

    100% yes.

  • wonkeythemonkey

    I can only imagine three reasons why. Is because

    1) You believe that Day is incorrect because women of color do not feel the same way about the issue as she does,


    2) You do not care whether or not she is correct because white people should not comment on racial issues,


    3) You are more inclined to agree with non-white people regardless of the issue?

  • jade ru

    I actually agree that yes white actors/actresses have had an unfair advantage. (It's not even an opinion. It's a fact that they have the advantage.) However, casting a black actor in a written as white character does not solve the problem or even the score. That's what her statements say to me. Evening the score. And no, her opinion is not worthless. Dustin calling someone with a different opinion an idiot is actually my problem. It does not matter whether I agree or even only half agree with her.
    As for whether I would accept her argument more if she had darker skin. Yes. Yes i would. She has had, as a white actress, the advantage.

  • RobynRobotron

    Where did you get the idea that she think's one role given to a black man evens the score? Because I didn't get that at all.

    And you're seriously saying fuck her for being an ally, for looking past her privilege and acknowledging a problem that doesn't affect her? Wow.

  • Sarah Weissman

    You don't solve a problem like that with casting. Day's bright enough to know that. But, a White Tiger Lily is a step BACKWARDS and casting Jordan is a step forward. It's not about the score, it's about fair representation. The Annie remake made my coworker say it looks like her as a kid. I want people to see themselves onscreen more. (They might do something unexpected so I'm trying to reserve judgment, but the prospects are not good.)

  • P.J Fry

    Positive discrimination is not a step forward. Not necessarily saying that's the case with the Johnny Storm casting, but shutting out others to favor someone because of the color of their skin is not much better than shutting out someone to favor whites.

  • Sarah Weissman

    I'm pretty sure positive discrimination isn't a phrase that makes sense. Also, that phrase basically implies that Jordan was cast BECAUSE he's black. There's no evidence of that. I have more on my mind, but I think I'm going to finish this post here.

    Edit: Do you mean benevolent racism? Because that phrase isn't referring to situations like this.

  • P.J Fry

    Discrimination is giving someone different treatment based on their race/gender etc., regardless if that treatment is positive or negative; but whether or not the term makes sense to you, the idea does exist in practice, and it's even institutionalized in some places. It's mostly known under the euphemism "affirmative action"

  • Al Borland's Beard

    So, the only possible reason that Jordan was cast is because he's black. It has have nothing to do with him being a great actor or showing he could handle the superhero role in the movie 'Chronicle'?

  • P.J Fry

    read my first post carefully.

  • Al Borland's Beard

    I did. You say you're not necessarily talking about the Johnny Storm casting, but that's what this topic is about, so I inferred you were still referring to that. If that's not the case, then I apologize.

  • Steve

    … over non-white actresses, but not over any male actor.

  • Steve

    So how *do* you feel about them?

  • Souprcrackers

    First off, I want to say that I agree with everything that Felicia and Dustin are saying.

    But...and please don't kill me for saying this...in the words of Max Cherry, "Is white guilt supposed to make me forget I'm running a business?"

    Rooney Mara is probably a safer bet to make money then someone without the name recognition, especially if the studio is casting an unknown for the leading role. I think the studios are not going to make decisions based on morality or giving a young native american actress a chance or even sparking a single conversation outside the movie theatre, they just want to make the most money possible with the least amount of risk (probability that the movie will lose money).

    Sure this means that it continues the self-perpetuating reality of white people who made money in the past making money in the future, but if we want that to change we should respond with our wallets, not our words, because I think our wallets are the only things the studios are paying attention to.

    PS- Please prove me wrong. I just think that this would be the best place to have the discussion of movies as art vs. movies as an industry.

  • Dumily

    I agree that studios are looking to make money, but I think the bigger problem is how studios react when a movie doesn't make money. It's the inferences that they draw from a bomb that don't make any sense. "Battleship" flopped because it was a bad movie, but "Miracle at St. Anna" flopped because mainstream audiences don't want to see movies with multiple black leads? "Bridesmaids" was going to determine if female cast comedies would get green lit for years? Because Jim Carrey still gets to make movies. If one box office bomb was enough to derail a genre/ career, Hollywood would have to stop making movies. It's only when it's a minority led film that it has to represent every other minority film that will ever be made.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Maybe. But what do you honestly think is the number of people who are going to be swayed to see a Peter Pan movie because Rooney Mara is in it? We're not exactly talking box office draw, just as casting an unknown is not box office kryptonite in this situation. P.S., executives, minorities see movies too.

  • Souprcrackers

    I agree. With an established story like Peter Pan it requires less name recognition to get butts in the seats. I guess I just imagined in my head some executive seeing a $250 million gross on "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" while also looking up the figures for the last Peter Pan (2003) movie (it ended up loosing $9 million) and I think that some level of establishment...e.g. "I know her agent" "I met her at a party once"... as well as critical acclaim (with Rooney Mara from TGWTDT and The Social Network written on the poster) can also play into it. You know what you're going to get at this point with a more established actor than an unknown, which I think would play again into the risk analysis of movie casting.

    But you do have a great point. I sometimes forget she's not that big of a name outside of movie nerds like me.

  • RobynRobotron

    The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is Twilight for middle aged men. People didn't go see that for Rooney Mara's talent anymore than people saw Twilight for Robert Pattinson's talent.

  • Davis

    Actually they did but go on...

  • RobynRobotron

    Now I know why you assume Al accused you of trolling...

  • Davis

    What so people didn't go for her performance?

  • e jerry powell

    In fact, morals/ethics/justice are at the very bottom of the list, if they're on the list at all, UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE BOX OFFICE.

  • Davis

    We get it you're not racist, now you can stop posting about the FF you're the only person who gives a shit.

  • chanohack

    Yes, clearly these 96 comments (so far) prove that no one gives a shit about this topic.

  • Davis

    the only people who talk about about are on this site

  • George Tarleton

    A cursory google search of the exact term "johnny storm black" came back with 136,000+ results. So, basically, I'm pretty sure that you're wrong. That said, looks like there are at least 136,000 other sites whose comment threads you need to start complaining on.

  • Davis

    No one is making a big deal over MBJ though.

    People on this site made a bigger deal over a skinny wonder woman than people are over a black human torch.

  • Dumily

    Why are you on this site then? I have yet to read a comment from you that isn't "this article is stupid", "what that celebrity did/ said is dumb, and they shouldn't be", "no one cares what this person is talking about." If you don't care for our little party, then please feel free to leave.

  • Davis

    Find a comment of mind that is like that exactly.

    I never left a comment like that ever, you are just making up stuff now. Please when you see this find an article on this site where i just pitch up and say 'this article is stupid'. I give my take on something and people start screaming(well angry type at me) telling me to go away if i'm going to be so negative even though i'm not.

    It's the typical internet blog arrogant mindset " well they don't agree with me, they must be a bigot, troll or a basement dweller".

    Just look at anyone who doesn't like Jennifer Lawrence or Benedict Cumberbatch no matter how you word it you're going to be dismissed.

  • Dumily

    I mean this seriously: what do you get out of your posts? Because you don't really make arguments, you just say the equivalent of "this sucks." If the post sucks, why bother reading it? I don't watch The Walking Dead or Doctor Who, but I don't wander into the comments to tell people "We get it you're into the Walking Dead, now you can stop posting about zombies you're the only person who gives a shit." Your comments don't even rise to the level of trolling, you're just a buzzkill. It bums me out. So what do you get out of it?

  • Davis

    I've never gone into an article about a TV show that i don't like and said 'this show stinks why are you talking about it' ever, and your point makes no sense because me talking MBJ playing THT is nothing like what you're accusing me of doing.

    also it's not the equivalent at all, i never post comments like that people just see it that way. But obviously if you hate my comments just ignore them and they obviously do get a rise out of people for some reason because i'm like Voldemort around these parts.

    I also got accused of being a troll for saying lindsay lohan threw her 'male friends' under the bus for naming them in a magazine and i got called a troll for that. So this site just throws that word around like water anyway.

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  • God Of Bal-Sagoth

    This. This is my problem with you, Davis. It's your staggering, constant, relentless negativity on EVERY. SINGLE. POST. that you comment on. Seriously, it's exhausting to have someone so determined to disagree with everyone else. And yet, your response whenever anyone disagrees with YOU is to start complaining about how we're overreacting.

    You don't like the writers, you don't like the readers, you don't like the content. You've made that abundantly clear. I'm not saying I want you to leave -- I genuinely am not. I really do like seeing a variety of opinions. I just don't get how you can get any joy out of reading Pajiba when you so clearly dislike or disagree with virtually everything that they write about. I really don't understand what you're doing here. This is also why you so frequently get accused of trolling, because that, when you really think about it, is the very essence of internet trolling. So either you're trolling, or you just like reading sites that you hate just so you can tell them how much you disagree with them, and either way, it seems a bit of a fool's errand.

  • Davis

    I never said I didn't like anyone, i said I don't like when people accuse me of being bigoted or a troll for giving a different point.

    Sorry for not letting people rip into for nothing and please find a negative post by me on this site for no reason? Never said the writers sucked just said this guy is digging out the same point when no other comic book person is talking about it and I said people on this site bitch and moan when someone has a different opinion.

    Heres what I said on this post:

    -Casting him as THT isn't innovative
    - The only people that are making a big deal over it is this writer
    - People on this site don't like people disagreeing with them or they're a troll

    Nothing bad just people on this assume opposite opinions mean you're rude, which makes me wonder about how they get about in the real world.

  • wonkeythemonkey

    "I'm not saying I want you to leave -- I genuinely am not."

    I'll say it. I want him to leave.

  • Davis

    No let me stay.....i'll start agreeing and everything :(:(:(:((:(

  • wonkeythemonkey

    You don't have to agree. You just have to stop assuming anyone cares when you don't.

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