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An Open Apology to Jenny McCarthy

By Courtney Enlow | Celebrities Are Better than You | January 6, 2014 | Comments ()


This past week, an old Time Magazine article went re-viral, thanks to Radar being Radar and touting Time’s “new” interview wherein Jenny McCarthy admitted her son never had autism in the first place. This interview did not exist, and McCarthy is now pursuing legal action regarding this “irresponsible and inaccurate” reporting.

So, on behalf of the internet, I am so sorry, Jenny McCarthy. I simply cannot fathom what it would be like to have something so horrifically false, so confidently stated without proper research or facts, so potentially damaging to fellow parents. It must be terrible, and I can’t imagine what you must be experiencing right now.

In all seriousness, I can’t imagine what it must be like to have a child with autism, or any other disorder. I know that I am very lucky to have what is thus far a fairly healthy child. And I hope to keep her that way through a regular regimen of medical check-ups and treatments, including vaccinations, and it makes me sick to think of the kids who have no choice in the matter because their well-intentioned but unspeakably foolish parents decided to listen to the co-host of Singled Out regarding how to raise a family, despite the entire medical community rallying together to single her out for being so, so wrong, and so, so damningly so. Yes, the parents are to blame, but Jenny McCarthy, you have blood on your hands, and to even use the words “irresponsible and inaccurate” is so mind-bogglingly unaware it’s pitiful. You have dedicated the last decade of your life to telling parents that they should open their children up to myriad deadly diseases so their kids might not get this other disease, one you think you magically cured through wishes and unscience. What a fucking hero.

Jenny McCarthy, now that you’ve experienced how “irresponsible and inaccurate” feels, I urge you, I beg you to reconsider your blatantly incorrect stance and do something. At this point, there is literally no way you don’t know you’re wrong. At this point, you’re just cashing checks, checks written on the backs of children dying from diseases that were nearly eradicated 40 years ago.

But, you know, sorry people posted an old article on Facebook. That’s probably way worse.

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Comments Are Welcome, Bigots and Trolls Are Not

  • Gardisil vaccinates you against CANCER and people won't take it because they heard it might kill you. Stupid is as stupid dies.

  • Anna von Beav

    Autism is neither fatal nor contagious.

  • Katie Newville

    Here we are again, people hatefully spouting off about things they don't fully understand. Jenny McCarthy, a person I am no fan of as far as her choices of entertainment, has asked for vaccines to be re-evaluated and made safe. Until you are there, you are watching your beautiful child disappear into a nightmare fog where they can no longer hear or respond to you, until you are able to openly consider that there may perhaps be a number of children that have immune system issues that can cause adverse reactions to ANYTHING put into their system, you simply have nothing to say here. I have a list of logical reasons why my children will not be vaccinated and it has nothing to do with Jenny McCarthy, my political views nor the fact that I am actually pro-vaccine. Until you are staring down that barrel of that gun, knowing that there is a chance that your child, a child that you know based on family history, previous adverse reactions, sibling reactions, and science (look in to GAPS) will very likely not be one of the millions of children who can have vaccines without any reactions, you can keep your hateful message to yourself. I know there are people who don't vaccinate for all of the wrong reasons. I don't care about them. I care about my own. I don't care about your children who should be fine bc they are vaccinated. Everyday I wish we could be those people who never had to think twice about vaccinating or go against the status quo bc darnit all our kid just isn't as lucky yours. So shut your mouth. Use your brain and consider empathy. Having a child with Autism is not a place for wimps, self-pitty, self loathing or hatred. I make every choice, against the grain, with hateful people harping at me who don't even know me giving me hateful advice about my children whom they don't even know. You think you are helping anyone? "My kids are fine so everyone elses should be too!" This logic is not going to dry the tears of the parents who go to bed at night wondering if giving their kids that last vaccine caused their autism. The reality is that a vaccine can be the catylist to an already existing issue in the gut. Stop shutting down the conversation and start having discussions based on logic, reason and statistics. Only then will we be able to actually do something about the very serious increase in autism.

  • dorquemada

    I don't believe anyone here lacks the empathy required to understand the issues of having an autistic child. Many of us are parents, we certainly agonize over issues that could cause pain and suffering to our kids. However, anti-vax has no scientific proof. If your doctor told you, specifically, that non-vaccination is a safer route, then so be it, and more power to you. But basing a decision on media frenzy, debunked data, and snake oil salesmen is not appropriate. As far as GAPS, that's been reviewed and I will post a short c&p:

    "There are plenty of red flags here: the “lone genius,” the “one cause” of most disease, the die-off and “wait a while and try again” explanations to keep patients on the diet when it is making them worse, the unvalidated sensitivity and diagnostic tests, the detoxification language, the bold but unsubstantiated claim of total reversal of autism, the dangerous recommendations for raw eggs, raw milk, and saturated fat and against vaccines and cholesterol testing, and more. Birds of a feather: she is associated with the Weston Price Foundation and was featured on Mercola’s website (both notorious sources of misinformation)." -Harriet Hall, MD, Col (ret) USAF
    I agree that we should be looking for some answers about the serious increase in autism. But we should leave behind the debunked anecdotes, and move on to the true root causes. It appears that we cannot, because there's money behind the fear.

  • Katie Newville

    I find it sad that you have decided and closed yourself off so readily to anything I said. My Autistic son has changed miraculously since we started doing GAPS (went from using 2 and 3 word sentences that were unclear to using 10 and 12 word sentences that are clear in just 2 months, can balance on his own, started having original thoughts and playing pretend for first time, started recognizing other people's emotions, doesn't get angry anymore, can transition now without help, graduated from occupational therapy, has been deemed as no longer needing speech thereapy by his insurance company (which sucks actually), etc.). Again, unless you're there, you just can't get it. I base nothing I do on media frenzy. It's called mob mentality and I see the mob as the people who are so blindly "pro-vaccine" (which has become it's own political movement that yells as loud as it can without being willing to hear the quiet parents that were once in that same party but are now disillusioned by heartache) that they shut themselves off to any and all discussion about the children who have in fact been effected negatively by vaccines. That's not being anti-vaccine. I'm not anti-vaccine in any way. But when you vaccinate an already troubled immune system you end up with consequences. And it won't always be autism. Every person has differing factors that make up their body. I am so tired of this discussion. I just keep thinking, "They know not what they do." It's not about ending vaccines dammit. Take a breath and slow down. It's about saying, "ok, there are a lot of kids getting ADHD, Autism, Asthma and Allergies. Why?" Did you know the only reason anyone was able to link Autism to the Vaccines is because a couple of doctors said it's interesting how the symptoms of autism are so similar to mercury poisoning." Those doctors have gone on to create a movement called Defeat Autism Now (DAN). My son is seeing a DAN Doctor and you know how they treat? GAPS/SCD Diet, they do blood, urine, stool analysis (and see exactly what is going on in the body) and start replacing the deficient nutrients in the body, therapy, they treat the whole person and kids have and will continue to recover! It's based on science and logic, not voodoo. And it doesn't get discouraged just because people say, "Accept that your kid has this or that and move on. Don't question how to prevent or treat it, you're a bad person for even thinking about these things." They look at the child's family history which in our case includes ADHD, Depression, and so many other things that have gotten compounded over generations and are indicators of the possibility of a negative reaction to a vaccine. Until you have a child that forces you to consider these things...until you take the time to research the entire story and not go along with the loudest voices out there, you just don't understand someone like Jenny McCarthy. And again, I'm not with Jenny in any way accept that we both have children with Autism. This is not a black and white issue and it needs to stop being treated like it is. You don't just shut down someone like me by posting something someone from Mercola posted. What kind of a parent would I be if I took your opinion and what you just found on the internet and let that trump my own experience and the miracles we're experiencing my my son. I'd be a damned fool. So stop assuming that everyone in this debacle is the same, everyone is stupid, everyone is just plain ol selfish and in the stone ages and obviously doesn't love their children.

  • dorquemada

    You really should contact the CDC, because there is no scientific evidence, or even a peer review, that GAPS works. It's junk science marketed to fearful mothers. If GAPS had any standing in the scientific community, it would be promulgated as well as any vaccine. As I said, if it works for you, then great! Your SPECIFIC ISSUE is anecdotal evidence, not data to support a hypothesis. And yes, I do close myself off to pseudoscience, because it's for suckers.

  • ShiShi
  • Fabius_Maximus

    Interesting how? Because the author is selectively using years old quotes or is using the Daily Mail as a source (which is not even dated and uses the disproven Wakefield results as reference)? Did you actually bother to click through the links in the article?

    "Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health, said if it is proven that the jab causes autism, "the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history.

    He said: "It is entirely possible that the immune systems of a small minority simply cannot cope with the challenge of the three live viruses in the MMR jab, and the ever-increasing vaccine load in general."

    ""I think public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the
    hypothesis as 'irrational,' without sufficient studies of causation... without studying the population that got sick," Dr. Healy told Attkisson.

    Not once say these experts that vaccination causes autism or other sicknesses, because it is unproven yet. They call for further research, which is good.

    Yet here you are, acting like it is a sure fact.

  • hippyherb

    Thank you, that was a great article.

  • Jezzer

    It *is* kind of interesting how it attracts like-minded simpletons.

  • mrsaturdaynight

    Who cares

  • mfeeneyyo

    My aunt is against vaccinations (she relies on herbal medicine?) so my younger cousin never had any immunisation jabs, the result being that she has had measles, mumps AND whooping cough all by the time she was 13. She recovered from all of them but had to go to hospital and receive conventional medicine to cure her. My aunt justifies this by saying "well she LIVED, so those vaccines are unnecessary" ...sigh. please just vaccinate your children.

  • I know I'm late to the party, and I haven't read all 169 other comments, but I'm sharing this blog about vaccinations anyway. It's written by a woman who grew up without vaccinations and how it has affected her health her whole life. It's calm and reasonable, and not shouty. http://www.voicesforvaccines.o...

  • Bodhi

    Yes!! That is a FANTASTIC piece. And no, despite what many anti-vaxers are claiming, she does not work for the CDC. That is another woman with a similar name. There is plenty of evidence online (including YouTube videos) the confirm that the woman who wrote the piece is who she says she is

  • Thanks, Bodhi. Evidently someone else disagrees, lol. ;)

  • Bodhi

    I have been watching anti-vaxers try to debunk this piece for 2 solid days now & it makes me want to punch someone. The fact is if you don't vaccinate your child, you are opening the door to a huge host of illnesses. I don't know why anti-vaxers are trying so hard to deny that incredibly obvious fact.

  • hippyherb

    I read what Courtney wrote and I read all of the comments.It has left a bad taste in my mouth. Lots of anger and nastiness. The pro Vaccination people feel that If you don't immunise your children then you are putting them and other kids at risk. Anti vaccination supporters feel that if you do immunise, then you are potentially harming your kids.See the commonality here? It comes down to love and concern for your children.
    I have done a lot of reading about vaccination over the years. I feel that it comes down to research and knowledge. If you read the risks of immunisation and believe that is the whole story, and you make an informed decision to vaccinate your children, you have done what a good parent does. If you read the risks and decide that that the risks outweigh the benefits,and you decide to not vaccinate, then you have been a good parent.

  • TK

    No. I'm sorry but no. This isn't so simple as you're doing what you think is best, so everything is OK. Not vaccinating your kids has been proven, through overwhelming, peer-reviewed scientific evidence, to be wrong and dangerous for your children and for MY children as well. Just because you read something on the internet somewhere does not mean you're making well-informed decisions.

    Pretty much every legitimate doctor, medical practitioner, science journal, and health organization up to and including the World Health Organization has stated implicitly that the vaccine scare is bullshit.

    Stop trying to act like you're just exercising your free will when what you're really doing is endangering other children through stubbornness and ignorance.

  • hippyherb

    Actually, both of my children ARE vaccinated. My mother vaccinated all 7 of her children. All of my siblings vaccinated their children. What I was attempting to do with my comment was say that I don't think that people should be uninformed when it comes to vaccinations.
    I have received some shitty comments to my post, but yours was the worst. To assume that I read something off the internet and that was enough for me to not vaccinate my kids, and secondly to assume I was I was ignorant on the subject. I have been reading and researching this for 24 years now.

  • TK

    My apologies. I actually didn't mean you in the literal sense. I was responding to this part of your comment:

    If you read the risks and decide that that the risks outweigh the benefits,and you decide to not vaccinate, then you have been a good parent.

    And essentially using the same voice in response. I do not believe that someone is being a good parent under those circumstances, because they are making a misinformed and potentially dangerous decision.

    But my tone was overly harsh, and for that I am sorry.

  • Jezzer

    No, if you decide not to vaccinate, you're a shitty parent and need to have your children given to someone who will take proper care of them.

  • Fabius_Maximus

    Except you are not a good parent if your decision puts your child in risk of contracting a severe disease. Also, you are a shitty human being if your decision puts other people at risk as well.

  • "This past week, an old Time Magazine article went RE-VIRAL"

    Sounds like this is a result of Time Warner not getting their fucking vaccines.

  • Bodhi

    This is my current favorite thing on this topic

  • TherecanbeonlyoneAdmin

    BWAHAHAHAHA! Jenny causes Autism!

  • Guest

    It HAS to be true. THERE IS A CHART!

  • Bodhi

    Grrrr discus error

  • Bodhi

    Its HAS to be true. THERE IS A CHART!

  • Jenny McCarthy is definitely on the wrong side of the polio vaccine issue. There's no need for her to sit around and....




  • Look, Jenny McCarthy isn't the only person who feels this way. Sorta unfair that she's the one being...


    Singled out.


  • Here you go, for any future comments:

  • - Jenny McCarthy, of all people, doesn't want something stuck inside her?
    - For someone who hates vaccines, Jenny McCarthy sure does force a lot of guys to get 'em

  • crispin

    The thing I don't get about her idiotic "no vaccines" campaign is the level of outrage.

    What expectant mother listens to anything Jenny McCarthy has to say?

  • Bucky Wucky

    Sadly, many!

  • Robert

    She made herself an advocate for the movement, appearing on many televised interviews on daytime and primetime talk and news programs to state that research proves vaccines cause autism. She did this for years. That's why people listened to her. Some idiots decided to let her spread her special brand of stupidity on air and she tricked people into believing her.

    That's why people are mad at Jenny McCarthy. She used her name recognition to bring light to a movement based on a research study so heinous, the doctor conducting it was stripped of his medical license. Still she defended his findings and continues to do so today.

  • crispin

    I'm aware of all this but my question is:

    Who is actually going to LISTEN to Jenny McCarthy?

  • lingli

    I have to say that I have no idea what made Jenny McCarthy a celebrity,so I have no idea whether she has any personal authority (by which I mean, y'know, medical training or scientific education - at least Mayim Bialik has a PhD in neuroscience, not that it makes her anti-vax stance any more right) beyond being a parent to speak on this issue. However, even without celebrity "endorsement" this is still an issue here in the UK. I think really it isn't so much who is saying as the message itself: it resonates so strongly with parents because, at its core, it says "You are risking YOUR child by actively DOING this" … and in a way it's actually easier to be anti-vax because that just requires you to do nothing (at least until your child catches the disease you didn't immunize them against). That's my theory as to why these campaigns have gained so much traction (well, that and a lack of critical analysis skills, particularly when it comes to science. Not a dig at anyone's intelligence, more a critique of the education we get).

  • A Jenny McCarthy vaccine post?

  • 0ur0boros

    Yeah, this Jenny Mccarthy thing is pretty ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as people that continue to blindly support vaccines on the basis of fraudulent studies. The CDC has done many studies that show the raise in autism correlating with the use of thimerosal, but they usually find someone else to pay to say what they want regarding the issue. Even those being indicted on federal embezzlement and fraud charges such as Dr Poul Thorsen. This issue right here, is probably the number one thing I see people talking about in regards to why Thimerosal in vaccines can't be causing autism: The CDC claims that they have proven that the rates of autism have actually increased since phasing out thimerosal. However, scientists in Denmark have proven that this is a fabrication that the CDC is aware of and continues to mislead the public about.The word they replaced with "increased" was "decreased".

    The Coalition for Mercury-free Drugs (CoMeD) exposes communications between Centers for Disease Control (CDC) personnel and vaccine researchers revealing U.S. officials apparently colluded in covering-up the decline in Denmark’s autism rates following the removal of mercury from vaccines.

    Documents (below image) obtained via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) show that CDC officials were aware of Danish data indicating a connection between removing Thimerosal (49.55% mercury) and a decline in autism rates.

    Despite this knowledge, these officials allowed a 2003 article to be published in Pediatrics that excluded this information, misrepresented the decline as an increase, and led to the mistaken conclusion that Thimerosal in vaccines does not cause autism.

    In Denmark, Thimerosal, a controversial mercury compound used as a preservative in certain vaccines, was removed from all Danish vaccines in 1992. The well-publicized Danish study published in Pediatrics 2003 claimed that autism rates actually increased after Thimerosal was phased out.

    This study subsequently became a cornerstone for the notion that mercury does not cause autism. However, one of the FOIA documents obtained from CDC clearly indicates that this study omitted large amounts of data showing autism rates actually dropping after mercury was removed from Danish vaccines.

    One coauthor, from Aarhus University, Denmark, was aware of the omission and alerted CDC officials in a 2002 email (above image), stating,

    “Attached I send you the short and long manuscript about Thimerosal and autism in Denmark… I need to tell you that the figures do not include the latest data from 2001… but the incidence and prevalence are still decreasing in 2001”

    We know the article’s lead author was aware of the missing autism data because he stated in an email reply,

    “I am not currently at the university but I will contact you and tomorrow to make up our minds.”

    Nevertheless, in the final draft version of the publication submitted to Pediatrics, the data from 2001 showing a decline in autism was not mentioned.

    Ignoring this omission, the CDC continued to endorse the fraudulent article and, in a December 10, 2002 recommendation letter (below images) to the editor of Pediatrics, encouraged expedited review and publication of the article.


    The misleading Danish article was published by Pediatrics in 2003.

    Dr. Poul Thorsen, one of the co-authors and “scientist in residence” at the CDC 2000-2002, subsequently was terminated by Aarhus University and indicted in Atlanta for embezzlement this year in relation to his $11 million grant from the CDC.

    CoMeD has demanded that the CDC launch an immediate investigation of the CDC officials involved based on scientific fraud.

    CoMeD is also calling for the full retraction of the deceptive article which appeared in Pediatrics.

    “This type of malfeasance should not be tolerated by those who are entrusted with our children’s health and well-being,” stated Lisa Sykes, President of CoMeD.

  • Jezzer

    Dude, it doesn't matter how many hippie witch doctor conspiracy theory websites you can find to support your thesis, you are still saying stupid things and should stop.

  • Tinkerville

    From the actual official CDC website. No correlation. Sorry. Provide actual sources for your claims and you might have a fighting chance here.

  • Guest

    Lol, because I'm sure the CDC doesn't have an agenda. The same way the FDA isn't in bed with Monsanto. Wake up.

  • Tinkerville

    Like I said, I'll be happy to "wake up" if you provide any real sources for your delightful little claims.

  • Jezzer

    The source page would have "The voices in my head" at the top, and then a string of ibids.

  • Melissa D
  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Correlation doesn't equal Causation. That's one of the tenants of science. What we have is a great deal of innuendo, which is likely baseless, and no concrete proof.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    But even if that is the case, wouldn't the fact that thiomersal isn't used in childhood vaccines any more mean that the issue is no longer relevant?

    (I'd also say that people don't blindly support vaccines. They look at the eradication or substantially lower numbers of childhood deaths from the diseases being vaccinated against, and find those numbers to be on the side of vaccines.)

  • 0ur0boros

    It's relevant as long as there are people alive on this planet suffering from it. The FDA and CDC admit to still using thimerosal. It isn't completely phased out in the USA.

  • dorquemada

    It would be relevant it if was true. It's not. You're basing your opinion on the word of one man who had his medical license suspended, and the other who's facing charges of practicing medicine without a license.

  • 0ur0boros

    I'm basing my opinion on the fact that autism rates have gone down since mercury has been phased out of vaccines.

  • dorquemada

    And you'd be wrong there as well:

  • dorquemada
  • Fabius_Maximus

    That's a nice copy-and-paste-job there. Do you have the actual source?

  • 0ur0boros

    also, there is so much information about Dr Poul Thorsen if you simply look for it. I can't even believe the CDC still uses his studies.

  • Jezzer

    Seriously, dude, are you calling yourself "Ouroboros" because your head is stuck so far up your ass?

  • 0ur0boros


    Yes, I copy and pasted. I meant to post the link. The information is out there.

  • Fabius_Maximus

    "Industry Weapons for Earth's Depopulation"? You got to be shitting me.

    "The Truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head."
    - Terry Pratchett.

  • 0ur0boros

    It's funny that you use that quote when you can't seem to see past the lies that are in yours.

  • Fabius_Maximus

    Hey, i'm not the one relying on a conspiracy thesis site for my information.

  • 0ur0boros

    That website is in no way a conspiracy theory website. It does have conspiracy theories on it because it attempts to share facets of many, many different viewpoints. It collects sources from many, many places. That link I sent you doesn't change the facts of that specific page just because you can't see past the index link at the bottom. Calling something a conspiracy is just an excuse to be lazy. It's easier to live in the dark.

  • Fabius_Maximus

    Of course it is. The category your link appears in is indication enough.

    The only problem is that the site you linked doesn't prove anything, because the sources shown do not necessarily say what you think they say. They are vague. But that's - of course - modus operandi for conspiracy thesists: reading too much in too little information.

    The site also infringes the copyright of the article's author by quoting it almost in full.

    Finally, it doesn't address the elephant in the room (besides publishing it under the "Depopulation" header): motive. What did the CDC have to gain by ignoring the findings?

  • Emm82

    Why the hell do these people think autism is so bad they would rather have a dead child? What the fuck is wrong with them?

  • dorquemada
  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    That's dark. I like it.

  • Mark Maloney

    I cannot fathom why anyone would get worked up over any "expertise" Jenny McCarthy chooses to share, but apparently enough people knee jerk to whatever comes out of the mouths of "celebrities" these days. I caught 30 seconds of her contributions to the New Year's Eve TV show and, if she's got something life changing to share with you, God help you.

  • Jiffylush

    She has something life changing to share with you, herpes.

  • Nicholas

    I lived through Star Jones. I endured the Rosie era. Heck, I was even willing to suffer Elizabeth despite her batsh*t craziness....yet, it took this one. This irresponsible hot mess caused me to walk away from The View. Such a sad day...for me.

  • ShiShi

    Why do you think that parents not getting their children vaccinated are doing so because of one person? That's absurd. Do you honestly think that they would listen to this post and decide to all of a sudden vax their children?! No way!!! Research! There is a ton out there and parents choosing not to vax their children are doing their research and it's making vax parents nervous, and question those decisions!!
    The only research for vaccinations is that done by pharma companies and pharma backed institutes and OF COURSE they are going to claim safety! The one question that should honestly make any parent think twice about vaxing their kids is....if they are so safe why on earth did the government create the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program where they have awarded compensation to thousands of families for so many vax injuries including autism and death?! I'd say you're lucky if your children don't end up with vax related injuries - that includes allergies, seizure diseases, autoimmune diseases, autism, death and so many more!

  • ScienceGeek

    And the only research against vaccinations is backed by lawyers suing pharmaceutical companies, such as your precious Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, who paid Andrew Wakefield over $500,000 for that little 'vaccines cause autism' rubbish.

    Good lord, have you researched this topic at all?

  • kirbyjay

    Oh oh...Me thinks there's a scientologist in the house.

  • Nyltiak

    The original (now discredited) study which linked vaccines and autism was PAID FOR BY LAWYERS WHO WANTED TO BRING SUIT AGAINST THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT. So if we're going to go bitching about "big pharma", there's that. There's also the fact that Wakefield cherry picked his data and ignored data that didn't support his idea. Literally ZERO further studies have shown any link between vaccines and autism, and no, not all of them were done by "big pharma".

    ALSO, big pharma would probably make more money from treating diseases than from vaccinating against them.

  • Melissa D

    Yeah, doctors and nurses never conduct any research that isn't explicitly funded by pharmaceutical companies. Like that asshole Jonas Salk and his stupid polio vaccine, for example. Also, medical professionals hate their own children and don't care if they harm them through vaccination, which is why they almost universally have their own children vaccinated. You are right, FIGHT THE POWER!

  • "Vax Parents"

    Think I just found my 2013-14 fantasy football team name!

  • Captain_Tuttle

    Go with Vax Deferens & you'll be guaranteed to win.

  • Lee

    There is NO link between autism and vaccines. Zero, none, nada, zip, zilch... Study, after study confirms this.


  • ShiShi

    But they've all been debunked by the CDC, the same agency saying they're safe. I'm just saying and I'm just learning. I'm a mother, not a dr or scientist and i cant recite all of my findings. Ive just read a lot and talked to a lot of people to be able to gather my own opinion that I would never intend to force upon another. And just for the record my boys are 23 months and have been vaccinated up until their 18 month shots. Currently we are just trying to decide as a family what is best going forward! (Hope that was an acceptable amount of !!! For all you funny people!)

  • Jiffylush

    The CDC you say?

    "What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations?"

    The bottom line is that not getting vaccinated is bad for your children and society as a whole. I for one hope that schools stick to their guns on requiring vaccinations for admissions so your bad decisions won't affect my children as well. In actuality it won't because my kids are 10 and 12 and go to a good school with well educated and involved parents.

  • lingli

    There's a great book by Ben Goldacre (who is a practicing doctor, as well as writing for the Guardian newspaper) called Bad Science, which has a chapter on the Andrew Wakefield anti-MMR research which caused such terror amongst British parents and at whose feet a substantial portion of the blame for the anti-vax campaign can be laid. Dr Goldacre points out very clearly and dispassionately all the things that were wrong with Wakefield' s "study", including the tiny sample size (less than ten children, I think), the data cherry-picking, the fact it was never published in a peer-reviewed journal (again, if I remember right, The Lancet just reported on it, rather than carrying it as article), the fact that no-one else ever managed to replicate his results, and so on. Yet because he caught the media's attention, a generation of parents were too terrified to vaccinate their children. A direct consequence of this was, first, a steady rise in the number of cases of measles in the UK in the past decade, culminating in a massive outbreak in south Wales last summer which led to dozens of hospitalizations and one death.

    Andrew Wakefield was struck off by the General Medical Council which means he can't practice in the UK any longer, but as far as I know he now works in the US offering "treatments" and "cures" for autism.

    ETA, the rest of Ben Goldacre's book is well worth reading too - excellent at explaining statistics, the fundamentals of good research, and for developing those critical thinking skills. If you are "just reading" things, ShiShi, you should definitely add "Bad Science" to your list.

  • TherecanbeonlyoneAdmin

    So you've vaccinated your kids for the last year and a half without issue yet in the last five months you've researched some stuff on the internet and talked to some people so now you think you might change your mind? Go talk to your doctor, go talk to people that have contracted these diseases and actually make a choice based on solid science as opposed to conjecture and hyperbole. Do it for your kids.

  • Emm82

    If I remember rightly a lot of the childhood diseases that a vaccinated against now also have a side effect of death. I'll take my chances with autism, not that I believe it anyway.

  • Also, fuck you for for continuing to spread the completely debunked idea that vaccinations cause autism. Not least because that implies that parents of autistic children are solely responsible for a neurological condition that NO ONE understands yet. There were autistic children before there were vaccines. They used to put them in institutions or even leave them in little boxes like animals. Same as all the other people whose brains did not function like the average person. Read some history. Do some homework. Take a biology class and realize that the things we know about how the human brain develops and functions are miniscule compared to the things we don't know. And then apologize to everyone who is on the autism spectrum, has allergies, has epilepsy, or lives with a compromised immune system, because you just implied that there was a single cause for all of these things, and that is complete bullshit.

  • HJ

    Uuugghh… why can I only upvote you once??

  • ShiShi

    Eww cyber bullying!! I'm adult take you're nasty hate filled attitude somewhere else, Fancy!! Ps never once did i imply vaccines were the sole cause of autism, thanks though!

  • Jezzer

    "Your," not "you're."

  • Wigamer

    Oh, damn. We're going their...*snerk*

  • ShiShi

    Get a life! You sad little person! This is beyond ridiculous now!

  • Jezzer

    Yeah, that's what I said around your 250th exclamation point.

  • alwaysanswerb

    Having one heated discussion online with someone who drops an f-bomb on you does not cyber-bullying make.

  • ShiShi

    I was being sarcastic! Thanks for your injection! Ha!

  • alwaysanswerb

    You're welcome, but I thought you were anti-injection?

  • ShiShi


  • Your exact words: I'd say you're lucky if your children don't end up with vax related injuries - that includes allergies, seizure diseases, autoimmune diseases, autism, death and so many more!

    The implication is that those conditions are caused by vaccinations. If that is not your argument, then what is your objection to vaccinations?

  • ShiShi

    I did not say the sole cause was vaccinations. I have an opinion and like I said somewhere else in this string I am not a dr or scientist I just read and everything I have read from how dangerous childhood diseases really are compared to the side-effects and diseases caused by vaccines, lies an cover-ups about vaccine etc. etc. makes me very very concerned as it should! Nothing with my babies is taken lightly! this whole thing is def a double edged sword but in my opinion, at this moment, vaccines are the sharpest! that is just my opinion!

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    Just your opinion?What happened to the research?

  • Buckeye666

    If you love your babies then learn critical thinking and how to determine bs from actual science. Because you most certainly aren't doing it now. If you're really doing this because you believe it, it's sad. If you're doing this just to troll, it's sad.

  • ShiShi

    Says someone with 666 in their profile name! You're sad!!

  • Mrs. Julien

    Oh, honey.

  • mzblackwidow

    you are cracking me up Mrs J, a much needed giggle in the midst of all this.
    Just sayin' - that last comment from the moron who came in here and started cyber screeching sounded like she is 13 years old. "Eww cyber bullying!! I'm adult" -- uh huh. And I suspect as her rabid ravings heat up her spell checker has thrown up it's tiny tiny hands and said fuck this, I'm outta here.

  • Mark Maloney

    Like many of us, I have a child somewhere on the ASD spectrum. Poster child Asberger's, every box checked on the scoresheet. I have spent the better part of the last 12 years trying to understand the moving parts that make us who we are. From a parent's perspective, I've spent a lot of time carefully listening, reading, thinking, wondering what my role in this might be. In the end, it's not a "blame" thing, although that what so many of us are programmed to do when things aren't explained to our satisfaction or we don't get our way. It sort of depends on what your faith is in. My son is who he is, as he was created, and he's not defective. For the record, my child very closely displays the types of behaviors and physical tendencies of his maternal grandfather, who I do not believe ever had been immunized for anything, played video games, or had a father who was over 35, etc. This stuff has always been around, we just have fancy names for it now.

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