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Word of Mouth Is Still (Mostly) Meaningless


The Weekend Box-Office Round-Up / Dustin Rowles

Box Office Round-Ups | July 20, 2009 | Comments (56)


With only one major release this weekend, there wasn’t a lot of competition or excitement in the box-office results. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, as expected, crushed everything else at the box-office, earning $160 million since it opened on Wednesday, $80 million of that over the weekend. It represented the sixth biggest opening five-day period, but fell $40 million short of where Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen opened a few weeks ago. However, more impressively, Half-Blood Prince did break Spider-Man 3’s international box-office record, racking up $396 million globally in its first five days.

Meanwhile, in only its second weekend, Bruno got killed, falling 72 percent, taking in only another $8 million, bringing it’s grand total just short of $50. It won’t make it to $70 million.

Which brings up an interesting item I heard the other day on NPR: An L.A. Times journalist, John Horn, suggested that immediate word-of-mouth, particularly in places like Twitter, has been hurting box-office receipts this summer, although it’s 11 percent up over last summer so far. But it was up over 19 percent earlier this summer and, he argues, it’s been word-of-mouth that’s caused the deterioration, offering examples such as the failures of Land of the Lost, Imagine That, and now, Bruno. He says that, because of the immediacy of word-of-mouth, studios will be forced to offer better movies if they expect to get bigger grossing movies over an extended period of time.

I respectfully disagree.

Horn presupposes that positive word-of-mouth reflects the quality of the movie. Imagine That had no chance to begin with — Eddie Murphy hasn’t had a hit family film in years — Imagine That, in fact, opened in line with Meet Dave and better than Pluto Nash. Word of mouth didn’t necessarily kill Land of the Lost, either. There was never a huge audience for it to begin with — people who grew up on Sid and Marty Krofft don’t intersect much with people who love Will Ferrell movies. Its $48 million gross is decent, given the lack of interest in the beginning. And as for Bruno, word of mouth was just as mixed as the critics’ reception. It certainly wasn’t overwhelmingly negative. The people who were going to see Bruno saw it on opening day — and there weren’t a lot of other people interested in seeing it at any point. The consensus, before the movie even opened, was: I saw Borat, I don’t need to see the same movie with a gay character.

If, anything, positive word of mouth has helped to prop up bad movies. See: Revenge of the Fallen, the biggest movie of the year. It wasn’t good or bad word of mouth, I’d argue, that propelled it as high as it is. It’s the fact that word of mouth existed — it was probably the top trending topic on Twitter for days (or at least until MJ died). People saw it so they could add to the word of mouth. And if you look at the top 11 films so far this year, from a critic’s perspective, at least five of them were terrible, but positive word of mouth increased their box-office take all the same.

All of which is to say: Studios still don’t have to make better films to make a lot of money (although, it helps; see The Hangover and Star Trek, which benefited from positive word-of-mouth) as long as those providing the word of mouth aren’t particularly discriminating. And as long as audiences continue to love Paul Blart: Mall Cop and Transformers, studios have no incentive to make better films.

In fact, just look at the indie box-office so far this year: Despite quite a few fantastic indies (Away We Go, The Brothers Bloom, Sunshine Cleaning, The Hurt Locker, and Sugar), there have been no breakout hits despite good word of mouth (just not widespread word of mouth). Actually, Imagine That has fared better than all of them.

That, however, may change soon. (500) Days of Summer opened over the weekend in just 27 theaters, and still managed to make $838,000, which was good for $31,000 per theater (compare that to $18,000 per theater for Half-Blood Prince). I heard that lines to get into Days of Summer were as crazy as the lines were for Harry Potter, which is very heartening. Unfortunately, although word of mouth is crazy positive, the backlash is already beginning, and it’s being spearheaded by a few critics who are clearly more concerned with being anti-hipster than they are in allowing themselves to enjoy one goddamn great film. Give it a rest. Loving (500) Days of Summer doesn’t make you a hipster; it makes you a fan of good movies. And if you want to trash a great movie because you don’t want to identify with its perceived audience, that just makes you a dick.

Here’s your top five:

1. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince ($79.9 million; $159.9 million)

2. Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs ($17 million; $152 million)

3. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen ($13 million; $363 million)

4. Bruno ($8 million; $49 million)

5. The Hangover ($8 million; $235 million)


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Comments

yeah, suck it, bruno!

oh wait.

Posted by: gp at July 20, 2009 12:13 AM

Word of mouth is meaningless when it comes to the major summer releases. People will make their minds to see or avoid Transformers or Star Trek or Harry Potter before the movie comes out. Where it can help is in keeping a movie going (like Iron Man last year or The Hangover this year) when the buzz is positive and people feel the need to go see it again.

That said, media critics are quick to point out the "power of the Internet (tm)" whenever something doesn't work the way they said it should.

If the Internet geeks were so powerful, then Transformers wouldn't have been such a major hit and no one would go see 2012: Disaster Happens!

Posted by: Fredo at July 20, 2009 1:25 AM

People went and saw the first Transformers film for many reasons, including curiosity, nostalgia, and merely a desire to see shit get blown up.

Most of these same people went and saw the second Transformers film for one reason: Slo-mo tits.

Perhaps if Bruno, Year One, or Land of the Lost had promised slo-mo tits, things would have turned out differently, no?

Posted by: agent bedhead at July 20, 2009 1:57 AM

I'm confused... did Bruno only make 50.. and is not gonna top 70 mil... or has it already made 149 mil and you were lying before?

Posted by: Nico at July 20, 2009 2:09 AM

400 mil internationally in 5 days? not even a chance for the good word of mouth to drag those totals up. plus dvd sales, and merchandise. jk rowling/wb/etc are just flat out printing money. with numbers like that i'd be thinking about stretching that last one into a trilogy. 8)

Posted by: trippdup at July 20, 2009 2:12 AM

Ah, what a weekend. I bought groceries, ordered random Indian dishes, and wrote sketch material. And didn't contribute a single dime to Bruno or Harry Potter. Life is good.
Everyone have a good weekend? Yes? No?
Let's get our week on. Eloquents, drink your booze and start typing.

Posted by: Jim Doggie at July 20, 2009 2:23 AM

I also dread the imminent backlash against 500 Days. If liking that movie makes me a hipster I'll gladly own the title.

Posted by: frothygirl at July 20, 2009 2:59 AM

I saw Harry Potter with the wife, and we liked it a lot. The ending was a bit weak, but it was a great ride overall. Lots of chuckle-out-loud scenes and smiles.

I'm a bit concerned that the next (penultimate-ish) movie will be frustrating to see in the theater, just because it'll have to have a good breaking point halfway through the book. Any guesses which cliffhanger Movie7Part1 will end on?

Posted by: joe at July 20, 2009 4:15 AM

I contributed to Harry Potter's massive success, but also, fuck you, Harry Potter rocks.

I have also seen, in the last week, (500) Days of Summer, The Hurt Locker, and Drag Me to Hell (again), so I clearly need to find a job or something.

Posted by: kyle at July 20, 2009 4:35 AM

also, joe -

my guess is somewhere around the encounter with Xenophilius Lovegood. Either right before or right after.

Posted by: kyle at July 20, 2009 4:38 AM

"And if you look at the top 11 films so far this year, from a critic’s perspective, at least five of them were terrible, but positive word of mouth increased their box-office take all the same...."

Example: Star Trek: The Raping of Gene Roddenberry's Legacy

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 20, 2009 5:14 AM

In fact, just look at the indie box-office so far this year: Despite quite a few fantastic indies...there have been no breakout hits despite good word of mouth (just not widespread word of mouth). Actually, Imagine That has fared better than all of them.

SNAFU, right?

Posted by: Che Grovera at July 20, 2009 6:11 AM

Whenever I see Emma Watson, I hear, "Please, sir. May I have some more."

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at July 20, 2009 6:23 AM

There are critics against (500) Days of Summer because they don't want to be hipsters? Really? Did they hate Juno just for the hell of it, too? I have that word tossed at me all the damn time because of the films I'm allowed to like without being considered an ignorant sociopath, and while it never stops hurting, it won't mean that I'll stop trumpeting tiny little indie films that don't have a chance in the world for mainstream American acceptance because they rely on subtlety and intelligence to get their point across. I'm not going to hate on a film to distance myself from a movement. It's called being as close to objective as possible in what tends to come down to a pretty subjective medium.

Posted by: Robert at July 20, 2009 6:27 AM

You know, it is entirely possible NOT to like this goddamn movie without, I don't know, making a skin suit from the bodies of the children you've buried under the basement.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at July 20, 2009 7:00 AM

Skin suits are out for the summer. A nice death mask at best, or a human skull mug is really the shit for those who dislike twee indie films.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at July 20, 2009 7:21 AM

no one would go see 2012: Disaster Happens!

I really want a little box people check when they go to see this that says whether or not they're going to see it ironically.

Nobody can seriously go to see that piece of crap out of a deep desire for plot and acting and complexity. It's like discussing the depth of Day After Tomorrow: ARCTIC BEEEEEEEEEEES.

Posted by: twig at July 20, 2009 7:27 AM

Yeah, Tracer, I haven't seen it and been underwhelmed YET, but when I do, it's not going to be because I am without a soul or murder babies. Sure, those things are true, but does that really have to define everything about me? "Oh, she kills babies, not wonder she hated Juno."

People can be so cruel.

Posted by: SaBrina at July 20, 2009 7:39 AM

You know, it is entirely possible NOT to like this goddamn movie without, I don't know, making a skin suit from the bodies of the children you've buried under the basement.

You're only saying that because making a skin suit from the bodies of the children you've buried under the basement is popular with [insert crowd], and you're trying to prove your [insert profession] credibility by distancing yourself from [insert crowd]. Yeah! Bring on the backlash to the backlash's backlash, bitches!

In other news, Tracer's right. I liked Juno because I'm a little bit in love with both Ellen Page and Sydney Bristow, but most whimsiquirksical films annoy the shit out of me, not because it's cool to be anti-hipster, but because I often find their dialogue to be unrealistic, their plots to be just as retarded as summer blockbusters and their characters to be unrelatable, cartoonish self-parodies.

Posted by: Shay at July 20, 2009 7:45 AM

OMG, I'm so confused! Should I see 500 Days or not? Dustin says "yes", but the Eloquents are being all anti-counter-hipster (I think). I wish I could like what I want to like and be done with it...

Posted by: Che Grovera at July 20, 2009 8:04 AM

Deathly Hallows split:
I'm thinking it will be when Harry gets the sword in the woods/swamp. That is when things start to turn around if I remember correctly.

As for indie and smaller movies faring poorer than big budget mega-flicks I think it's simple: a lot of people don't like seeing them in the theater. When a movie has its music pounding and stuff exploding every 5 minutes it makes it exceedingly difficult to hear the mouth breathing dipshits around me. As soon as the movie slows down is when you hear the fidgeting, the whispering, the crinkle of wrappers, etc. It is distracting. So I wait until the movies come home. I know it doesn't help the box office of these movies but the theater experience is barely tolerable as it is, you get a heavily dialogue driven movie and it's just painful.

Posted by: TylerDFC at July 20, 2009 8:40 AM

Agent Bedhead: What Bruno lacked in slo-mo titties, it made up for in fast-mo dicks and ho-mo sexuality. ZING!

From what I heard, a friend in New York tried to go see (500) Days of Summer, but the tickets for all the shows that day were sold out. If that doesn't instill a little good will in ya, I don't what will.

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at July 20, 2009 8:42 AM

I can't bring myself to give a shit about 500 Days. And I want to give a shit! I do! It just looks too...well, I guess I'll stick with the word twee. Too "look at ZD's bangs and big eyes and indieness" and "see what a quirky man-boy JGL has become and swoon you 20-year-old hipsters!" I feel it was more acceptable with Juno because they were highschoolers. I don't know. When it hits OnDemand I'll see it for sure.

That picture of Emma Watson is so lovely it's distracting. It makes me think of Renoir.

Posted by: HB at July 20, 2009 9:39 AM

You know, it is entirely possible NOT to like this goddamn movie without, I don't know, making a skin suit from the bodies of the children you've buried under the basement.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at July 20, 2009 7:00 AM

---------------------------------------------------
PREACH IT! here come the hipster elite trying to confuse the issue. Now I'm gonna lash out against it just on principle. NO HIPSTER tells me what to like.


Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 20, 2009 9:46 AM

I wonder if I start camping out in line for 500 Days of Summer the local theater will get the hint and bring it here.
And Tracer Bullet, were you in the Detroit area yesterday? I saw a dude that looked just like the pictures I saw of you at Pajiba-Con and (more importantly) he was geeking the fuck out about this Star Trey exhibit. You immediately sprang to mind.
Now, do you have a doppelganger? Or am I a racist who thinks all black people look alike?

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at July 20, 2009 9:47 AM

Star TREK! As I'm sure you knew.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at July 20, 2009 9:49 AM

what the hell is star trey? and why does it have an exhibit?

you hipsters, i swear!

Posted by: gp at July 20, 2009 9:50 AM

Ass

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at July 20, 2009 9:51 AM

I just saw Harry Potter 6: Broomstick in my Pants, and I was disappointed as usual. The movie hit a lot of the right notes, but missed so many more. And what the hell was up with the burning of The Burrow? That's not even in the book.

Daniel Radclif and Michael Gambon were wooden as usual, which is a shame because they are the main characters. And where are Dumbledore's glasses? Gambon never wears them. Rupert Grint and Tom Felton were fantastic. I hope to see more of them. Maggie Smith and Alan Rickman are fantastic (more Snape! more Snape) and steal every scene they are in. Lavender and Luna had some nice parts. It was great that Warrick Davis finally had a speaking role.

I liked all the teenaged angst, but where was Rufus Scrimshour? Where were Fleur and Bill? Where was Kreacher? Where was the main plot?

Posted by: BWeaves at July 20, 2009 9:52 AM

heehee

Posted by: gp at July 20, 2009 9:53 AM

I would neither be caught dead in Detroit nor a Star Trek exhibit so it wasn't me. Thusly, we must conclude you are a racist. Sorry, dude.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at July 20, 2009 9:56 AM

Race...war?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 20, 2009 9:58 AM

*sighs* *starts cutting eyeholes in pillow case*

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at July 20, 2009 10:02 AM

"As soon as the movie slows down is when you hear the fidgeting, the whispering, the crinkle of wrappers, etc. It is distracting. So I wait until the movies come home."
Posted by: TylerDFC at July 20, 2009 8:40 AM

Hear ye! I had the worst movie experience this weekend and the movie I was attempting to watch was ruined. RUINED! I am contemplating the purchase of a really large, expensive TV and banishing the theater forever.

Posted by: Agent Scully at July 20, 2009 10:02 AM

BWeaves I was outraged at the burning of The Burrow. How dare they! And the purpose of collecting the Tom Riddle memories was to exemplify the items which might be horcruxes. Why did they leave that out?

Posted by: Agent Scully at July 20, 2009 10:08 AM

Those of you expressing thoughtcrimes are being noted and should expect visits from the Ministry of Whimsiquirkilicousness very shortly.

Posted by: branded at July 20, 2009 10:09 AM

Agent Scully: If you have the funds I highly recommend it. I have never regretted buying mine. Especially since they have gotten so cheap, at least in relative terms, from what they used to cost. I saw a 50" Sony Bravia 1080p plasma for $1500 at Target this weekend, and that is a damn fine television for the money. Get a decent receiver and some wireless surround sound and you'll venture out to the theater only for the rare MUST SEE NOW movies.

Posted by: TylerDFC at July 20, 2009 10:26 AM

"I liked Juno...but most whimsiquirksical films annoy the shit out of me, not because it's cool to be anti-hipster, but because I often find their dialogue to be unrealistic, their plots to be just as retarded as summer blockbusters and their characters to be unrelatable, cartoonish self-parodies."

So wait, did you or didn't you like Juno, Shay? Are you trying to confuse the spambots with one of those "the following statement is true/the previous statement is false" paradoxes? My brain's itchy.

Posted by: Doctor Controversy at July 20, 2009 10:30 AM

That, however, may change soon. (500) Days of Summer opened over the weekend in just 27 theaters, and still managed to make $838,000, which was good for $31,000 per theater (compare that to $18,000 per theater for Half-Blood Prince).

Am I the only who things this revenue per theater number (when used to compare films that opened in a vastly different number of theaters) is completely meaningless?

It's always thrown out there to sort of give the impression that "but for the limited release" this little indie movie would be as popular as this big budget, widely-released film.

The per theater numbers for movies like this are inflated because these films are released in targeted markets and their limited release (supply) inflates demand, whereas the wide release of big films cannibalizes its per theater revenue.

Unless we're comparing films that have been release in a comparable number of theaters, we should be done with this statistic.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at July 20, 2009 10:31 AM

Actually, my daughter and I saw a sneak peak of 500 Days of Summer last Tuesday and we loved it. We joked we should have gotten midnight tickets to Potter and had a double feature. We ended up seeing Potter on Thursday and when it was over she said it was a good thing we didn't see them back to back or Potter would have been an even bigger let down. She is 15 years old. We're driving an hour and a half just to see 500 Days again tonight because she can't wait until Friday when it opens where we live.

Posted by: midfan at July 20, 2009 10:36 AM

Hold on, Optimus. Maybe you're not a racist; maybe you just have poor eyesight or you were so dazzled by my glorious luminosity that you see me everywhere. Let's run a little test before you start cruising the Martha Stewart white sale for a new wardrobe.

Better basketball player: a) Jordan or b) Bird?

Fried chicken: a) Meh b) Yes c) Fuck yes or d) Pass the Red Hot and the grape Kool-Aid.

Women's asses: a) "I like 'em like my pancakes; dry, flat and the lighter the better" or b) "Every woman in Hollywood needs to gain 15 pounds except Kim Kardashian who is perfect in every way."

Gators: a) Endangered species or b) Shoes

Zooey Deshanel (sp): a) Great, sadly unheralded actress or b) Who?

Charlie Bobo: a) The White Devil or b) Your accountant

Scarface: a) A celebration of violence and drug abuse or b) The guy on 1/3 of your t-shirts

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at July 20, 2009 10:37 AM

Tracer, that is freaking hilarious!

Posted by: Chiggy at July 20, 2009 11:08 AM

Wait, Tracer, how do I tell if I'm racist? Which are the bad answers? Is it ok if I like hotsauce? I'm so confused.

Posted by: admin at July 20, 2009 11:22 AM

I'm going to be in NYC this weekend, and I reaaally hope to see 500 Days. This talk of it selling out worries me. I bought a new outfit from American Apparel and everything. :-\

Posted by: prawntastic at July 20, 2009 11:43 AM

Well, I'm black, so obviously, I can't be racist. It's universally allowed to hate on crackers.

That said, I saw Harry Potter twice. It was a fun movie, and made the characters out to be people instead of just magical vessels of angst. Also, it brought the funny, and that Voldymore teen was quite lovely-looking.

Posted by: Sweetie Dahling at July 20, 2009 11:45 AM

Well you can thank me when you win EE this week. Heck, I got the assist on number one last week too. I need to start pimping out my services as a kingmaker.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at July 20, 2009 11:59 AM

And if you want to trash a great movie because you don’t want to identify with its perceived audience, that just makes you a dick.

OMG, that's one of my favorite sentences ever on this site!

Posted by: Christian H. at July 20, 2009 12:06 PM

Optimus you are truly the David Beckham of commenting. You may not get the goal, but the true beauty is in the serve.

Posted by: HB at July 20, 2009 12:47 PM

Meanwhile, in only its second weekend, Bruno got killed, falling 72 percent, taking in only another $8 million, bringing it’s grand total just short of $50.

AND GODTOPUS SHALL STRIKE THEM DOWN WITH LIGHTNING AND BAD BOX OFFICE RECEIPTS.

ALL HAIL GODTOPUS!

**
It's really amusing how these critics are all acting like they just discovered the POWER OF THE INTERNET, like it was invented yesterday. They just sound so old and behind the times, trying to analyze the magic of social networking on the internet.

And to them I say: Bitch, please. Have you ever spent five minutes reading comments on youtube videos? THAT is the internet for you.

Posted by: figgy at July 20, 2009 12:55 PM

I need something to get me over the top. I've been in the top 10 three of the past four weeks without winning. I'm like the Philadelphia Eagles of EE.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at July 20, 2009 1:23 PM

Dibs on "the Pittsburgh Steelers of EE" ... oneathesedays *sigh*

Not much turnover in the theaters here and there aleady wasn't dick I wanted to see, so ...

"Let the Right One In" is the shit. That's the scariest 12-year-old 200-year-old in movie history. And I'm in love.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at July 20, 2009 1:38 PM

Am I the only who things this revenue per theater number (when used to compare films that opened in a vastly different number of theaters) is completely meaningless?

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at July 20, 2009 10:31 AM

No, you are not. It is ridiculous.

These target theaters often play nothing but these indies. And their patrons line up to see damn near anything that plays there. Indie films have a built in audience, though MUCH smaller, just like any braindead genre film (thinking Norbitt at the moment).

Posted by: ed newman at July 20, 2009 3:04 PM

Well TB. I can set you up with what I call the "straight man" package. It's my homage to the classic two man vaudeville acts. I provide you with a set-up that's brimming with potential funny and you knock it out of the park.
These will cost as much as your standard consultant. Plus, Act now and the "Straight Man Package" set-up is yours for no extra cost.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at July 20, 2009 3:28 PM

Posted by: Amanda at July 21, 2009 2:54 AM

@ , (tcfkabd)
I just watched Let the Right One In last night and it was f-ing fantastic. I hate to say it, but I wanted to hijack the latest thread here last night and rave about it, but thought that might be rather ridiculous.

Posted by: osmate77 at July 21, 2009 5:25 PM

osmate77 and tkfkabd

I saw LtROI in while back and LOVED it! So good, and so disturbing. I really need to read the book (I know, I know, but I didn't have time to read it before!). I'm horrified to hear that it's being remade. Are subtitles really that hard?

And I will see 500 Days... because it looks like potentially a good movie, but I reserve the right to be a dick about hipsters. Just the smug, whiny ones, of course.

Posted by: elisamaza at July 22, 2009 12:03 AM