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The T4 Post-Mortem


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There’s been a lot of talk on the interwebs over the Memorial Day weekend about the disappointing box-office performance McG’s fourth installment in the Terminator franchise. Some, like Warner Bros. domestic distribution president Dan Fellman, have suggested that it’s because Terminator Salvation had a narrowly defined targeted audience (it was 70 percent male). Others have suggested that Christian Bale’s blow-out on set may have hurt its performance. Devin Faraci, in an exclusive for CHUD, even wrote 3,000 words words on what went wrong. Mr. Faraci apparently owns the exclusive knowledge to T4’s disappointing performance. I hear it’s a brilliant piece, though I haven’t read it. I didn’t want it to cloud my opinion. Besides, I think I can sum it up in one sentence:

It was a bad movie, and McG is a bad director.

Over the long weekend, T4 racked up $53 million, compared to Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian’s $70 million pull. You can also add Wednesday’s midnight showings and Thursday’s totals to T4 and you’re still only going to get $68 million, which is nearly $20 million less than what Wolverine opened with in 3 days. And if you ask me, T4’s weekend performance was hurt by Warner Brothers’ decision to open the movie on Thursday. By Friday, bad word of mouth and even worse reviews had damaged its weekend prospects. T4 made only slightly more on Friday than it did on Thursday ($14.9 million and $13.3 million, respectively), and actually dipped on Saturday to $14.7 million. That’s not supposed to happen over Memorial Day weekend. Battle of the Smithsonian’s Saturday gross was, for instance, 30 percent better than its Friday gross.

Indeed, T4 fared even worse than did the Rise of the Machines opening weekend — it made $72 million over the 4th of July weekend in 2003. And it didn’t have Christian Bale; it had an aging action star prepping for his run as California’s governor. And I liked Rise of the Machines better. Hell, I liked Wolverine better — it was a mess, but at least it wasn’t a deadly serious mess. And I never expected anything better from Wolverine. T4, meanwhile, rockets into the top five of my most disappointing summer blockbusters list.

And much of that fault actually lies with Christian Bale. He was originally asked to play the much more interesting Marcus Wright part, which went to Sam Worthington. John Connor was supposed to be a relatively minor figure until Bale signed on as Connor and insisted the movie be rewritten (by an uncredited Jonathan Nolan) to make his character more central. But even if Connor did, at times, feel extraneous in Salvation, that was no excuse for the hamfisted dialogue, the laughable appearance of Schwarzenegger, or an ending that I walked out on.

It’s all meaningless now, and the best we (or at least I) can hope for is that word-of-mouth hurts T4 so much over the next few weeks that Warner Brothers will pull the plug on a planned fifth installment. At least for another decade, by which time a different director and a different set of actors can reboot the series and, perhaps, start over again after T2 and do the James Cameron films some justice.

Moving on: Being a bad movie didn’t hurt Night at the Museum II, nor would one expect it to. Kids don’t pay attention to critics, and parents just want to make their goddamn kids happy, which is the simple explanation for Smithsonian’s huge numbers, more than double the opening of the original film, which went on to make $250 million. Hopefully, Up will seriously cut into Ben Stiller’s film next weekend, though it seems unlikely that it could do so enough to prevent an almost inevitable third movie.

Meanwhile, Star Trek continued to plug along nicely, picking up another $29 million over the weekend. It’s up to $184 million so far, and looks to be the first movie of 2009 to break $200 million. Besides The Brothers Bloom, it’s also the best movie of the summer so far. Angels & Demons added another $27 million, good enough for fourth place. It’s amassed $81 million and will probably barely break $100 million domestically, but it’s a bigger movie outside of America, where it’s already added more $100 million. You can bet your ass the third Dan Brown movie will happen. And finally, Dance Flick, the latest film from the Wayanses, came it an number five with a tepid $13 million, further demonstrating audiences’ eroding interest in spoof movies. We’ll have our review up tomorrow.

In limited release, The Brothers Bloom continued to perform very well, averaging nearly $7500 per screen in 52 theaters. It’ll expand to most cities next weekend. The French film Summer Hours also performed well in limited release, putting up $7,400 per screen. We won’t be reviewing it because I couldn’t make it through it. Apologies. It’s not a bad film — let’s just say Ranylt Richildis or The Boozehound would probably love it. It was a little over my head. Also, excruciatingly slow. However, if you’re interested, the brilliantly cerebral Karina Longworth has a fine review up over on Spout. Easy Virtue, starring Jessica Biel, Kristen Scott Thomas, and Colin Firth, was the big winner among indies, however, amassing a solid $11,000 per screen average in 10 theaters. We will have a review of it later this week.

Here’s your top five for the full Memorial Day weekend:

1. Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian ($70 million)

2. Terminator Salvation ($53 million; $68 million)

3. Star Trek ($29 million; $184 million)

4. Angels & Demons ($27 million; $81 million)

5. Dance Flick ($13 million)


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Comments

They'll run out of decent museums before they run out of installments of a money machine like NATM.

I hope so, anyway. What's that museum in Philadelphia, the one with all the weird body parts and stuff? I'd pay to see Ben Stiller spend a night in THERE when some of THAT shit starts crawling around, motherfucker.

Oh yeah, the Mutter Museum:

www.collphyphil.org/mutter.asp

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at May 26, 2009 12:26 AM

The best part of Night at the Museum was Jonah Hill's 15 minute cameo. Not only did he get big laughs but at the same time he had this look in his eye. Like a broken stallion. You knew he craved to crack the dick jokes, they are his essence. Without them he was gelded. Without dick jokes he had no balls.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at May 26, 2009 12:35 AM

I was gonna ask as to why you didn't write a review for Dance Flick...

Then I realized what the fuck I had just said.

Sorry. I'm just gonna watch Heat now, and forget I ever said that.

*Question!*

Do you think Public Enemies will be better than Heat?

I've pondered this by looking at both items over ridiculous periods of time. I, personally, think Heat is one of the extremely few perfect, 10 out of 10 films I have ever been fortunate to see, but I just like asking that question.

Thoughts?

(I know this has nothing to do with anything, but I'm too depressed at Salvation's performance to talk about it. So...there's that.)

Posted by: Riley at May 26, 2009 12:49 AM

tcfkabd, I think they shot themselves in the foot by not identifying which specific Smithsonian they were setting the action in. You want dinosaurs and other beasties? Museum of Natural History. You want people? Either American History or Native American. You want rockets? Air and Space.

Seriously, they could've wrung about 5 more movies out of the museums of the Smithsonian Institute alone. Not that I'd want them to, but calling it "Battle of the Smithsonian" like it was just one museum was moronic on several levels.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at May 26, 2009 12:55 AM

Just wanted to say I love the rundown. :)

Posted by: misterorange at May 26, 2009 1:01 AM

I ended up seeing Night at the Museum, and kind of enjoyed it. By no means was it that funny, but it pretty watchable. I think I was expecting the worst and was pleasantly surprised to find it was just bland.

Posted by: kelsy at May 26, 2009 1:30 AM

Riley, I haven't seen Heat in a long time, but I refuse to believe it's a perfect film. That being said, I doubt Public Enemies will be that good, although that's mostly my ridiculously cynical nature talking. You see what you've done to me hollywod? Damn yooou!

Posted by: the_wakeful at May 26, 2009 4:12 AM

My heart hurts.
No, it REALLY hurts.
It's crushed by the travesties that Hollywood producers continue to foist upon us.
Louis B. Mayer was a sexist, misogynistic asshole but the man knew how to green-light a good film.
The Warner Brothers may have enjoyed fucking their stable of indentured starlets but they knew how good movies were supposed to be made.
I cannot and will never condone their behavior but I do admire and miss their ability to know a good picture when they saw one and their determination to make great movies legend.

Now bring on Spider-Man 7.
God knows, I can't fucking wait.

Posted by: Spender at May 26, 2009 4:49 AM

the laughable appearance of Schwarzenegger,

Um, why was this laughable? I thought it was actually one of the highlights of the film. It was some impressive CGI at least.

And it made sense. Wouldn't the T-800s look the same, since they all have the same skeletal structure?

Shit, now I just realized another fuckup in the movie. The initial reason for human-looking Terminators was that inorganic objects could not travel through time, so they covered the machine in flesh, at least as I can recall. Skynet didn't give a fuck about the thing blending in until the T-1000, and that was only after the first one failed.

So why was Skynet coming up with this intricate plot to infiltrate the resistance in this film, when chronologically speaking it didn't care about it until much later? The only reason it would make sense is if Skynet was planning to use time travel already, years before it should have and for no apparent reason, since it did have the two targets in its sights at the time.

I take back my previous statement. That was shitballs retarded. Still liked the effects though.

Posted by: Vermillion at May 26, 2009 6:44 AM

Wow, I thought the released version was a mess, but it sounds like the original script was just as disasterous (according to CHUD). That was a great read.

Posted by: Cindy at May 26, 2009 8:18 AM

I went to the Mutter on Christmas Eve (because I'm morbid) and as one might imagine, it was lightly attended. I was on the lower level checking out various bones (they have a spectacular collection of deformed fetuses). I thought I was a lone when a security guard bumped into something and I nearly jumped out of my skin. So, yeah. I'd watch a movie where Ben Stiller had to fight a wall of human skulls or face down an army of undead two-headed babies.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at May 26, 2009 8:56 AM

I'd like to preface this by saying I'm Jewish-and sorry....

That being said, Night at the Holucaust Museum pops into my damn head every time I see the ads for this movie. I see a trailer in black and white, with very somber music, etc. Probably still has Robin Williams in it though. Can't be worse than Jacob the Liar.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at May 26, 2009 9:01 AM

I knew Lance Armstrong wasn't human!!!

Posted by: Kballs at May 26, 2009 9:05 AM

No, they did care about blending in with the T-800's. I watched Terminator on Saturday and it was stated that before the T-800's they covered themselves in rubber, and could be spotted a mile away. They started using living tissue to spy on and murder humans, which was why they kept dogs, because the dogs could tell.

They also showed another T-800 in a flashback/forward and while it had the same build as the governator, he had a different face.

So, in short, there was no mention of the T-800's being built for time travel. They already existed, and were used because of the limitations of the time machine.

Posted by: Theresa at May 26, 2009 9:07 AM

I was all set to go see Terminator:Salvation, but after they canceled T:TSCC I decided against it.

Posted by: John W at May 26, 2009 10:31 AM

I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I do not consider myself to be a movie critic in the least, but I know what I like, and I can say this much: I seriously enjoyed T4. I saw it on Friday and as someone who has T2 up there in her favorite movies, I thought it was great. And I enjoyed Christian Bale, although I must admit I'm now in love with Sam Worthington (whose name I didn't know until I read this).
**SPOILER (maybe)***
I enjoyed the whole "save Kyle Reese" angle. I'm sure the "down with McG" crowd is going to have a field day, but anyone who is a fan of the whole Terminator movie franchise should go see this and decide for themselves. I liked the throwback vibe that popped up occasionally, but without becoming hokey. Like when John played GNR's You Could Be Mine for a couple seconds to attract a machine, or my favorite, when he was up against a T-800 (I think that's what it was) in the Skynet plant and it was reminiscent of the Sarah Connor/T-1000 showdown at the end of T2 (my favorite scene).
To each his or her own, but like I said, I enjoyed the hell out of it.

Posted by: Whorish Mouth at May 26, 2009 10:34 AM

tcfkabd - that would be The Franklin Institute. I would pay to watch Stiller terrorized by an inescapable Tell Tale Heart. Bonus points if Owen Wilson gets dropped down the big vortex they used to have there (haven't been back to Philly in years, but I was geek enough to skip school to go hang out at the Franklin because at least it was interesting).

Then again, it's more of a hands on science museum stuff going on there, so it wouldn't work quite as well as a natural history museum like the Field Museum in Chicago. Oooh! How cool would it be to set one in a modern art museum? A bit too avante garde for the current target audience, but quite wicked to contemplate.

Posted by: Reba at May 26, 2009 12:38 PM

I just don't get this blind hatred for T4. I saw it last night and enjoyed it. I agree, I thought that there could have been some more depth in certain spots, but it wasn't an embarrassment.

The Terminator series compares well to the Alien series,(#1, classic, #2 classic, #3 passable). T4 was no where as terrible as the laughably bad Alien Resurrection.

I think T4 hit all the touchstones of a Terminator film--just like Bond has touchstones that are expected--or Star Trek. I agree that Conner wasn't always the centre of the film, and I was okay with that. It had flaws, but lay the fuck off already.

There was no JarJar Binks.

Posted by: Doom70 at May 26, 2009 1:33 PM

DAMN. I had Terminator as my #1 box office winner for the year in this pool my friends and I have going. Damn. That's one gone. Maybe I'll get the rest right.

I'm just angry. I really thought T4 would be good. I was looking forward to it. Hell, I even watched the first two movies last week (and loved them) to prepare for it. Now I have no interest in watching it. At all. The knife in my back, Christian Bale! Now disappear for a few years until you get to do another Batman. For now I'm sticking you in the naughty corner.

Posted by: figgy at May 26, 2009 2:02 PM

Figgy- just go see T4. It's not that bad! After reading all the reviews on here for it, hubby and I were expecting a flop. But really it was fine. I didn't regret spending the money to watch it. No Oscar worthy performances or scripts but hey- it's a damn TERMINATOR movie!! Could it have been better, progressed the story along more? Yes. But all and all it's ok. And I say that even though I have had a deep unfounded hatred of Bale for years.

Posted by: beautifulgirl at May 26, 2009 5:52 PM

Another criticism is the save Kyle plot line.

Watching the film, the characters all reacted to what was happening at the time. Why would Conner save Kyle? Well, Kyle hasn't gone back into the past, so he will survive! Sure, Connor could believe that fate, That because Conner exists, Kyle has to go back in time, and so is save from all harm. That is a nice theory, but it's a little harder to face in the moment. Following that theory Conner should not bother wearing armour, and take every suicide mission against the terminators, as he knows he lives to send his Kyle back in time. That's a hard thing to believe, in practice.

And if you want realism, then why build the killer terminators? Why not use poison gas and deadly ebola viruses? Or keep nuking everything? Boy, that would be a boring film. Let's go with that! Then there would be no pesky complaints!

Posted by: doom70 at May 26, 2009 5:58 PM

Here's something that confused me: If John Connor holds the key to salvation, or whatever-fuck, why is just walking around with his cock in his hands, so he can attacked by giant freaking robots? Gosh, invest in a bodyguard, or man-ny, at least.

'Hmm, let's see what's in factory number one. Killer robots? Killer robots that want to hurt me? That's new! That's unexpected! I didn't expect that!'

The thing is, after having seen it, I remembered that there was some talk about how Bale's outburst had something to do with the fact that they were filming an intense scene with Dr. Kate. Which scene was that? The one where she's moist-eyed and fecund, or the one where she's ripe and misty? Did she even get to say anything?

Maybe C.B. should stay away from franchises for a while, he's showing a tendency to get totally spanked by far more compelling supporting characters.

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at May 26, 2009 7:54 PM

Here's the thing... and I haven't seen T4, and probably won't until it comes out on HBO...

But when you're dealing with the tricky fuckin' time/space continuum thing? You need excellent minds working on the script.

And correct me if I'm wrong, here -- but didn't someone say the T4 screenwriters that the studio and this McG person (and please... what kind of pretentious asswipe styles himself McG??? Yuck) brought in were the geniuses who foisted Catwoman upon us?

Isn't that enough evidence to dissuade one from seeing this film?

And if it isn't... That one giant plot hole -- John Connor spending the entire time trying to get Kyle back in time to sire him in order that he, John Connor, might exist to be free to save the world, when he is, in fact, RIGHT THERE, existing, free to save the world -- is FAR more than reason enough to skip this cinematic experience at $13.50 a pop.

But hey -- if seeing $180 million in pyrotechnics on IMAX is your thing...

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at May 26, 2009 10:21 PM

Hmm. I had no intention of seeing it, as I have not seen any of the first three.

Okay, okay, wait! Hear me out! The only reason that I have not seen the others is because I don't CARE about them, and therefore, did not FEEL like doing it. That's all! I know the first two are classics, but I also know the value of saving for my future, and fuck knows I can't get that together. Stupid grad school won't pay me above the poverty line. Because this is why I would opt for higher education, to be perpetually hungry. Actually, it is. That's why grad students are the worst, with their horrible life choices and stupid majors in nothing and thinking that their words matter to people, when all they're really thinking is 'Why don't I shut up? Hide me from my advisers. Can I pay my rent in Ramen?' At this rate, I'll be back on welfare in no time! Who else misses the food bank?

Oh geez, get back on task, Marilyn.

Generally not being a fan of the 'Sissy Robot Slap Party' summer blockbuster fare, there was no reason for me to have been at this movie. Except:

FREE. Also, BORED.

I don't look a gift ex in the mouth. If he says 'You wanna see a movie? I'll pay', I'm sold. Heck, you don't even have to preface 'I'll pay' with anything. It was hot, my allergies were bad, I had been having a cruddy week, and a solid four minutes of explication had me caught up on the whole franchise. So, you know, if you strike when the iron's depressed, this iron won't refuse. And afterward, I ate an ice cream cone of such profound beauty, I felt as though I had loosed the surly bonds of the strip mall, and touched the face of God.

Also there was candy. It's a freaking movie about a renegade lawnmower, I don't need to have integrity about this!

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at May 26, 2009 11:57 PM

T4 was great. Don't buy into the Bale backlash.
Or the Geek dissapointment in their beloved franchise.

It melted my face off with awesome action. So suck it.

Posted by: westguy at May 27, 2009 9:19 AM

I agree Westguy. T4 was an enjoyable film. No embarrassing bullshit like Bat-nipples, or a baby human/alien hybrid from Alien Resurrection. I do wish there were more chemistry between John and Kate (plus one...). It's not as good as T2 (but few films are) but not as mediocre as T3.

Go see it and enjoy the film.

Posted by: Doom70 at May 27, 2009 11:20 AM