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Boozehound Cinephile | June 6, 2008 | Comments (94)


Pop culture item consumed: R.E.M.’s June 1 UC-Berkeley show, my first R.E.M. show since they toured to support Green in 1988. Another live R.E.M. show was on my bucket list (ha! How many of you just threw up in your mouths a little bit?), it was proximate to my birthday, and my close friend Mikhail had an extra ticket. Awesome all around. (Not consumed: opening act Modest Mouse, whom I have tried and failed to like.)

Mini-Comment Diversion: Favorite R.E.M. song of all time.

Beverage consumed: A decent portion of a Grolsch five-liter mini-keg. Several beer brands offer the mini-keg, and after diligently sampling many, I’ve concluded that Grolsch is the best, a rich, excellent lager that I tolerate well at high doses. The mini-keg, while not to the level of fresh tap beer, transcends bottle beer to the point that I have easily defeated several taste tests administered by a skeptical Mrs. socalled.

Heineken offers a mini that is much easier to find than Grolsch — three markets near our house carry it — and it’s certainly good beer. The Heineken mini will also stay fresh substantially longer than Grolsch if, for example, you can’t finish it over a weekend, during your bunking party with your Girl Scout friends. Spaten and Hoegaarden offer delicious alternatives that are still significantly more difficult to find than Heineken but don’t keep as well.

I wholeheartedly recommend the mini-keg. I am still firmly against the mini-handjob, however.

Summary of action: With a start time of 5:00 p.m. and two “meh” opening acts — The National opened the show — Mikhail and I sat in the back of my vehicle until about 7:30, drinking Grolsch and admiring 20-year-old California college girls. Berkeley girls may not shave their pits, but they can still bring it.

I really didn’t know what to expect from an R.E.M. show, and several factors competed to make me optimistic and pessimistic at the same time. I’ve loved R.E.M. for 20 years, yet I haven’t purchased an R.E.M. album since 1998’s Up. Somewhere along the way, when I compared Up to New Adventures in Hi-Fi and Monster, I concluded that R.E.M. had begun repeating the same record. It was a decent record but not on the same planet with their best, and I didn’t really want it anymore after the first time. So in 2008, R.E.M. has twice as many songs on my iPod as any other artist, but not one song released after 1996.

For similar reasons, I wasn’t at all sure how much I would enjoy a live show that might not focus on my R.E.M., from Chronic Town, through Reckoning, Fables of the Reconstruction, and Document, right up through Automatic for the People. During their arena phase from the early 90s to the early aughts, I forewent multiple opportunities to see R.E.M., largely because I detest large concert venues, but also because my most fond concert memory is seeing R.E.M. at a roadhouse outside Memphis in 1988 — we were close enough to see the stitched detail on Michael Stipe’s Western shirt that night — and I didn’t want a different memory of them. Still, I was psyched about seeing them in a relatively small outdoor venue, UC-Berkeley’s Greek Theater, which holds about 8,000 people and is structured as a true amphitheater.

What can I tell you? Twenty-eight years after forming, R.E.M. still fucking rocks. Their live show was nothing like I expected yet everything I wanted. Michael Stipe, Mike Mills, and Peter Buck, along with Scott McCaughey and Bill Rieflin, delivered a tightly wound, two-hour set of 28 (28!) songs, with two breaks that lasted about two minutes each. Imagine the most well-honed, self-assured bar band in history, owning the stage with absolute mastery of craft and a calm confidence earned through 26 years of touring. As we walked back to the car, Mikhail mused absentmindedly, “That was tight,” and we agreed that “tight” was the best descriptor.

Lean and spare in production, muscular like Bruce Lee in delivery, R.E.M. jammed through bullet-train pieces like “Begin the Begin” (my favorite all-time R.E.M. song) and lulled with throbbing low-tempo numbers like “Drive.” The set mixed old, middle and new, including seven numbers from the new album Accelerate. If early era is more your cup of tea, they banged home “So. Central Rain,” “Auctioneer,” and “Fall on Me” with passion and authority, along with fan request “Carnival (of Sorts),” which they claimed they hadn’t even practiced in ten years. If you’re of Document/Green/Out of Time vintage, they honored their breakthrough era with the songs casual fans probably associate most closely with them: “The One I Love,” “Orange Crush,” “Man on the Moon,” and, of course, “Losing My Religion.” If they neglected an era, it would have to be the post-Monster period, a time when they probably garnered few additional fans.

An odd but very enjoyable atmosphere permeated the crowd during the entire set — through the entire show, 8,000 people stood and swayed to the music, refusing to sit down even during the rare yawner like “What’s the Frequency, Kenneth?” It was about the most intense concert crowd I have seen, hanging on every note and every word of Michael Stipe’s intermittent monologue. There was no thrashing, no wild dancing, and while it’s easy to dismiss that as a result of a crowd with an average age of (ahem) 40, don’t make me tell you about the Fleetwood Mac concert last year where there was a lot of unfortunate gyrating. Stipe, in an ultraslim hipster business suit, boldly striped dress shirt, and boost-heeled chelsea boots, was a coiled spring of slowburn wild magic. I can’t say he’s aged a day in the last fifteen years, and his thirty-year lullaby to the stars continues to shake me like a lonely coyote call in the desert.

R.E.M. enjoys a deep, deep love affair with its fans, an adoration borne of endless nights of friends and lovers discussing the profundities of the universe in low voices while “Radio Free Europe” windles away somewhere in another room. These people were fixated on Stipe, Mills, and Buck, fixated on the folky/punky/rockabilly anthems that saw them through high school or college or love or heartbreak or rehab. Down in “the Pit,” as the general admission area is called, there were billowing clouds of pot smoke and … upturned, open-mouthed stares of adulation.

One beautiful discovery: They’re still growing as a band, even as they return to their roots. Mike Mills once described R.E.M. as “neo-folk punk,” as good a description as any, referring to the 70s punk scene that inspired Michael Stipe and Peter Buck to found a band that would be unlike anything before it. Long known for fusing punk thrash with folky guitar and country rhythms (see, e.g., “Driver 8”), R.E.M. delivered a straight punk version of a new song Sunday night, a track from the new album called “Horse to Water.” As it melted our faces, we said, “Awesome.”

A couple of additional fun facts:

- You just haven’t lived until you’ve seen Michael Stipe do the waving thing. During stretches of songs, he kind of loses himself, closes his eyes, slowly but exaggeratedly nods his head, and does a tambourine motion with his empty hand next to his head while arching his back and legs. Suck it, Bono!

- Mike Mills, with his stringy, shoulder-length blond hair and thick-rimmed glasses, looks like Garth from “Wayne’s World.”

- Peter Buck sprang from the womb in an absolute cannabis-induced haze.

- R.E.M. continues to push the envelope in integrating video into their performances. The current tour features a multi-screen display behind the band, intermingling live footage with that of prior concerts in cool colors and film grains.

As we drove home, Mikhail and I, both Gen-Xers, discussed a question that has occurred to me, tangentially related to R.E.M., as the number and type of musical artists has multiplied exponentially over the past 20 years: Who will vie for the title of Voice of Their Generation ten or 20 years from now? Who will combine incandescent talent, transcendent appeal, and an iron will for longevity that will keep them relevant in 2020? Obviously some folks from my generation will disagree, but R.E.M. and U2 seem to be battling it out to be the Voice of Gen-X, the Beatles and Rolling Stones of my generation. U2 started two years later, hit it big sooner, but was not as productive in terms of new music on a regular basis. They also can seem to be self-impressed ponces, which hurts their candidacy with a self-deprecating generation that even now is not sure of its place in history.

But by the 90s, when those battle lines were forming, there was already such a multiplicity of artists and outlets for music, that the Beatles/Rolling Stones paradigm had lost focus. R.E.M. and U2 shot to stardom in an era that saw its share of superstar musicians vying for the title: Prince (who became a ridiculous prima donna) and Michael Jackson (who became, um, something else) were contenders who took themselves out of the equation, followed by a parade of awesome bands that couldn’t keep it together long enough to carve their faces on Mt. Rockmore: Nirvana, Pearl Jam, 10,000 Maniacs, Oasis (“the new Beatles” - ha!), Green Day. How about Counting Crows, for whom one great album, one OK album, and about fifteen greatest hits albums turned into a spool of E-tickets for banging the Jennifer Anistons of the world?

The Beatles and the Stones contended with a faltering Elvis and a few top-notch classic rock outfits like Led Zeppelin and other bands that simply were never going to captivate large portions of the public. Ironically, the Rolling Stones were the dark underground contender of their day, even while fighting hard for, indeed, coveting that No. 1 spot; in the 80s and 90s, the dark underground was populated by true shadowy geniuses like Elvis Costello and Tom Waits.

To our great benefit, the music scene has diffused so much that there seems not to be a unifying force any longer, with the possible exception of pre-packaged, studio-fabricated nonsense like Britney Spears. New artists spring up weekly, and staying power seems to be largely a thing of the past. The Killers, Arcade Fire, the Decemberists, Snow Patrol — take a look at that list of stellar acts and tell me who will be around two years from now, much less twenty. Justin Timberlake? Please. Megastars arrive with blinding light, then disappear without a ripple; regardless of whether one likes Eminem or Christina Aguilera, who would have predicted their current irrelevance?

Moreover, in an era where the battle for equal commercial rights is catching up with the battle for equal civil rights, the fragmentation of artists and commercial outlets appealing to African-American, Hispanic and Asian listeners has exponentially increased this diffusion of talent. Public Enemy should probably be in the discussion with R.E.M. and U2, except that they were too busy preening for each other and paving the way for the 10,000 acts that followed their groundbreaking work.

(I’m leaving out Mariah Carey, of course, who recently passed The King on the list of all-time number one hits. I’m assuming no one will claim Mariah as the voice of their generation. I’m willing to claim her, however, as the Queen of KrazyTime.)

Look, I’m not some Andy Rooney curmudgeon mourning this change — it’s more an abstraction than some earth-shifting cultural loss. We’re lucky to live in a time when a thousand different bands are a click away on iTunes or YouTube. But I wonder at a world where a kid from New Jersey will arrive at university in Chicago or Texas and not share a single musical influence with his Seattle roommate.

How well the pairing held up: Beer and R.E.M. have carried me through just about every horrible thing that ever happened to me. Modern mini-keg beer and close-to-fifty R.E.M. band members? Better with age, baby.

Tastes like: Beer from the Grolsch mini-keg tastes like a loaf of the best bread you’ve ever had, except it’s made of alcohol.

Overall rating: “Tight.”

Ted Boynton is a dedicated sot who would leave his barstool only to stalk Whit Stillman, if anyone could find Whit Stillman. Ted also manages to hold down a job and a wife, three hours each per day, whether they need it or not. Readers may scold, hector, admonish or taunt Ted by e-mailing him at thecarygrantrules@hotmail.com.


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Comments

Eeeeee! Booze and R.E.M.? Heaven! (Happy proximate birthday, by the way)

Favourite song? Argh, tough one...Exhuming McCarthy rocks my world...and I agree, Begin the Begin is frickin' awesome....

Oh!!! Gardening at Night! (better yet, the demo version on the Best Of IRS Years bonus disc)

Consider picking up the new album, it really is good!


Accelerate should arrive from Amazon today; I resisted the temptation to download it from iTunes, as I feared Paddy wouldn't talk to me anymore, plus I want her to see how cool and hipsterish and weird I am when she comes over, so she won't crawl out the bathroom window. The songs I heard Sunday were good, and if I like it I'll start working my way back to where I left off. tb

Posted by: MO at June 6, 2008 11:54 AM

"Me In Honey" & "Nightswimming" are a couple of my favorites...

Awesome review, Boynton - I wish I coulda scored a ticket to the show here last night...

I got into REM a little late, so Iunlike many fans, I friggin' dug Monster & New Adventures... After that, it got kinda lousy. The new album kicks ass though!


Kate Pierson's backing vocals are one of those odd, recurring things in life that always give me a little sexual buzz. tb

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at June 6, 2008 12:05 PM

I'm not very familiar with early R.E.M. I was totally New Wave in the Eighties). So for favorite song, I'm gonna have to go with Nightswimming.

Posted by: Thre-nineteen at June 6, 2008 12:06 PM

I mean, Strange Currencies! (Damn you, Skit!)

Posted by: Three-nineteen at June 6, 2008 12:07 PM

"Fall on Me". That's not a directive, it's my favorite R.E.M song, you sicko.

Posted by: greer at June 6, 2008 12:10 PM

Honestly, I'm not sure that there are anymore "voices of a generation" in the same way The Beatles captured an entire time and cultural change. For me, it's more of a "sub-genre of my generation". For instance, the entire Clash/Jam/U2/Elvis Costello/Billy Bragg/Midnight Oil movement that started making music about issues and railing against Thatcherism is what represents the "ME" of the 1980s. For others it may be a John Mellencamp/Tom Petty/Bruce Springsteen sort of all-American experience. You see what I mean? There's not doubt that REM and U2 are significant, but our generation just wasn't one movement the way Beatlemania was or Woodstock. If you do want a single contender though, I would have to throw Springsteen in there along with REM and U2.


Mrs. socalled was quick to say Springsteen as well, but he seemed to bridge those eras (first album: 1973) and didn't have much traction with Gen-X in the 90s. For the others named, longevity and sustained, multi-decade relevance (resulting from new music -- The Clash are plainly still relevant, just no longevity) are musts, UNLESS the artist effects a tectonic cultural shift, e.g., the Beatles, who didn't have that much longevity, really. But I agree, things were already unraveling on this issue in the 80s. tb

Posted by: PaddyDog at June 6, 2008 12:13 PM

There's really only one good choice for the quote-unquote voice of our generation. R.E.M. has longevity, to be sure, but lacks a mainstream vibe that the Beatles had. Pearl Jam was wildly huge, but it feels like they're floundering these days. U2 is just too goddamn annoying. So what are we left with? Honestly, there's only one logical choice: Gwar.

I mean, duh. If Gwar isn't the voice of my generation, then my generation can kindly go fuck itself.


Damn, how could I forgot Gwar. They were clearly the Beatles to Motorhead's Rolling Stones. tb

Posted by: TK at June 6, 2008 12:19 PM

And once again despite my efforts to elevate the relationship past the blumpie days, you place me right back in the bathroom again.

Posted by: PaddyDog at June 6, 2008 12:20 PM

I never really got into REM, (lack of exposure I guess) but this lady knows her mini-kegs. Though I call them baby-kegs.

Posted by: jM at June 6, 2008 12:21 PM

I can't say "I told you so" because I didn't. But I can assure you that their live show has indeed been tight while the recorded output got iffy here and there. The "Up" show was fantastic, as was the "Best Of" tour they did a few years ago (I skipped the last one, but I know it wasn't a bad show). With better new material I'm sure they're even more fired up. It was pretty strange seeing Peter with Robyn Hitchcock last year not doing one scissor kick. Plus they'd had to play a bit more gently as Robyn's voice was almost gone.

My Fan Club Ticket Hookup friend and I were very close at the Up show and there was a weird moment where I thought "Christ...he's sexy, isn't he?" while watching Stipe. I didn't necessarily want to touch the guy, but I wanted to feel the mojo he was puttin out and wished I could generate the same. Yeah, you might not expect it, but he can pretty damn fascinating when he gets moving.

They finish up here in two weeks and once again I'm hooked up and we got in "The Pit". Very glad to hear even an uncertain listener was wowed, boding very well (I do have to show up early enough to see Johnny Marr, regardless of my mostly indiffered to Modest Mouse). I've got the so-far-well-reviewed Cure show next Saturday and Eddie Izzard a few days after R.E.M. I'd say I'm set.

Favorite song? Shit. Maybe "These Days" (especially the rendition in "Tourfilm", whose "King of Birds" also destroys the "Document" version. "Tourfilm" overall embarrasses the studio catalog as Nick Cave's "Live Seeds" did). I guess my "cult classic" is probably that Crate amp scuzz and boom of "Circus Envy"


Michael Stipe is one of those people who just has it. Charisma, elan, whatever it is, his skinny little softspoken self significantly alters whatever location he's happens to occupy.

Posted by: Jay at June 6, 2008 12:26 PM

I liked REM in seventh grade. Since then, though, I've been rather bored by them. Sorry.

And TK, I've never actually heard the music of Gwar, but I do remember wondering who the hell they were while alphabetizing CDs back when I was a sales associate at Record Town. My first job. We had vinyls and everything.

Posted by: Kolby at June 6, 2008 12:28 PM

Wow! Cool review, Ted I have never seen REM but would love to one of these days. I picked up the new album out of habit and am enjoying it but I think more out of obligation than finding anything revelatory about it.

Also the new Counting Crows album is probably their best since August and Everything After for anyone that's curious.

I got onto the REM fan-train late having been a metal head in HS and thus unable to listen to anything else because if it wasn't metal it was shit. It was only in college that a more enlightened girlfriend opened my eyes and broadened my horizons.

That said, "Sidewinder Sleeps" is my favorite REM song. For a nonsensical song it means a lot to me. I spent many an inebriated night in my 20's deconstructing various songs with friends, that one was always on the list.

Posted by: Rob at June 6, 2008 12:29 PM

So many REM songs are great, but for me it's "I Believe". Although Nightswimming, The Wrong Child, and Fireplace are way up there on my list, too. It's more like 1A, 1AA, 1AAA, 1AAAA....

Posted by: JH at June 6, 2008 12:30 PM

'Finest Worksong', 'Crush With Eyeliner', 'Drive', and 'Tongue' to name a few. I'm pretty hung up on REM so I try to enjoy eveything...yes even Up and Around the Sun get the occasional spin no matter how dull they were. And eff any muhfukka on dis block who hates on Monster.

Posted by: PissBoy at June 6, 2008 12:31 PM

I was at the Univ of GA when Murmur was released. No, I'm not one of the shadowy millions claiming to have heard them when they were routinely playing in local bars, before the Chronic Town EP was even out.

But I did have many opportunities to see them live in the early days, and I took every one I could get. And so Fables of the Reconstruction remains my favorite album, and Seven Chinese Brothers is the song that I never get tired of. Though they did a cover of U2's One that I listened to obsessively during my divorce, and that puts the original version to shame.

There can be no other alcoholic pairing but beer, BTW.

Posted by: Wednesday at June 6, 2008 12:34 PM

And THIS!!! is too awesome for description!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkHM8xG6i8o

Posted by: PissBoy at June 6, 2008 12:34 PM

One item that didn't seem right for the column but is worth mentioning: Michael Stipe did an episode of Sundance Channel's "Iconoclasts," in which his close friend, chef Mario Batali, interviewed Stipe, attended a concert with him, and made dinner for a group of their friends. If you're a Stipe disciple or admirer, track this down, as it's quite enlightening about Stipe's moment-to-moment personality. I think it's available on iTunes.

Posted by: ted boynton at June 6, 2008 12:35 PM

I need to brush up on my R.E.M., I haven't listened to them in a long long time. Nightswimming was always my favorite, it immediately evokes memories of being 18 and a group of my friends hanging out on my friend Dawn's trampoline for hours on end...we were dorks.

Posted by: Julie at June 6, 2008 12:36 PM

Jay:

The Cure played here two weeks ago. It was a fantastic show: 70% older stuff, 30% newer. They did three encores and even finished with Killing Of An Arab which I was sure they wouldn't do in the current climate. My only disappointment was the realization that I can no longer wear thick black eyeliner to the same effect.

Posted by: PaddyDog at June 6, 2008 12:38 PM

EEEEE!!! Furry Happy Monsters! I used to have that on tape, we would play it in college.

Posted by: Julie at June 6, 2008 12:38 PM

Okay, I actually just finished reading the column now. Interesting; I quite agree with you on the U2/R.E.M. dynamic being kind of similar to the Beatles/Stones vibe (and "Mt. Rockmore" makes me giggle).

Ah, but between this and the "R.E.M. In Concert" ad on the left, I'm really starting to wish I lived within 1000 kms of the nearest major city.

*sniff*

Guess I'll just have to get drunk, put on a live CD, and pretend.....


While I'm rarely thrilled with whatever Google elects to pop up over there, I was ecstatic to see Stipe, Mills, and Buck bordering the article. And that picture captures them perfectly: MS contemplating exactly how he is next going to blow your mind; MM, the dorky sidekick; and PB, struggling to remember whether he left the weed on the tour bus. tb

Posted by: MO at June 6, 2008 12:40 PM

I think R.E.M is one of the best rock bands ever, and how do I know this? I know this because all of you cool kids say so. I would rather kiss a homo than listen to R.E.M., and that ladies and gentlemen is my contribution. When in the course of human events a fat ankle pantsuit wearing 60 year old woman does not become the people's choice, she does not the right to all of a sudden cry and take her scorned woman scorched earth attitude and try to screw the democrats. I think the new Hulk movie will be a success. I don't drink sodas anyone, wine should not be served with ice you idiot, most of my law breaking friends are Italian. I hate everybody.

Posted by: Pookie at June 6, 2008 12:43 PM

And eff any muhfukka on dis block who hates on Monster.

Oh yes, I've been saying that around the internet for over ten years (plus I finally got to see them then after they stopped touring right after I started seriously listening) (Same goes for U2's "Pop" of course).

Thanks for looking out for me over there, Paddy. Obviously I jumped right in. You might be the only person, or maybe it's just me, to care that apparently the Cure happened to play "The Big Hand" one time at a show recently. This makes me sick with envy.

And my superfluous "underrated R.E.M. song" entry here will be "Sad Professor". Just sits there in the shadows on "Up", with its stirring crescendos waiting to be heard.

Posted by: Jay at June 6, 2008 12:43 PM

My favorite part of the youtube clip is the "muppetized" Kate Pierson.

Posted by: PissBoy at June 6, 2008 12:44 PM

So I was turning ten, and wanted, more than anything, some cassette tapes for the tape deck I'd recieved at christmas. At my birthday party, I got everything I ever wanted, exactly what I asked for! R.E.M.'s "Green" and Paula Abdul's "Forever Your Girl". I made my poor parents listen to both. To my parents, I can say only this- I'm halfway sorry, and also, I was halfway right.

db, don't you know that I love you? And I'd never put nobody above you? That's right, I went double-negative on your ass to show you how much I care. tb

Posted by: divinityblue at June 6, 2008 12:46 PM

Pookie for President!

Seriously, there'll be no more emboldening the terrorists when Pookie runs the show. They will cower in fear as I am doing right now.

Posted by: PaddyDog at June 6, 2008 12:46 PM

Speaking of the 80s and small children, I was just now unrelatedly sent a link by a mostly-lurker here to the Flight of the Conchords' Pet Shop Boys pastiche being enjoyed by a toddler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thm0MfwGkQE

Posted by: Jay at June 6, 2008 12:51 PM

Oh, Jay, I adore Sad Professor! Gets me every time. And Wednesday, Michael's version of One does indeed kick ass. Anyone know if there's a studio version in existence, or is it just available live?

How about the R.E.M. and Radiohead stuff? Michael singing Lucky? Radiohead's mix of Leave? Love it...

Posted by: MO at June 6, 2008 12:54 PM

Hee...PissBoy, it's the hair. I can't get enough of Michael Stipe bouncing around.

Ted, I saw that the Iconoclasts ep with Stipe was on the Independent Film Channel or Encore or somtehing about a week ago. I love Mario Batalli, so I've been really excited to watch it.

Posted by: Julie at June 6, 2008 12:55 PM

How about the R.E.M. and Radiohead stuff? Michael singing Lucky? Radiohead's mix of Leave? Love it...

HOW DO I NOW KNOW ABOUT THIS?! Holy crap, I need to download that immediately.

I'm seeing Radiohead in August, whee!

Posted by: Julie at June 6, 2008 1:02 PM

Ooh-this just makes me want to go listen to all my R.E.M. CDs. I started listening in junior high and saw the Monster tour in college. My favorite R.E.M. song in 8th grade was "You are the Everything" and it still ranks pretty high up there. I also love "Nightswimming" and "Shiny Happy People".

[/shields jillster with own body to protect her from deluge of rocks and garbage likely to descend upon mention of "Shiny Happy People"] Cover your face, jillster! They'll go for the face! tb

Posted by: jillster85 at June 6, 2008 1:04 PM

Jay: Hang out after the Eddie Izzard show at the stage door. From what I understand he always does an impromptu meet and greet with anyone that sticks around. The show is great, have a good time.

I don't think there is a defining band for Gen-X, but I think there are defining albums. But even then you are liable to hit stuff that not everyone agrees on. I don't think Nirvana is our defining band, nor do I think Alanis Morissette is, but "Nevermind" and "Jagged Little Pill" are both iconic. So is Tori's "Little Earthquakes" and "Under the Pink". Then there is NIN's "Pretty Hate Machine" and "Downward Spiral", Alice in Chain's "Dirt", Pearl Jam's "vs" GnR's "Appetite for Destruction", etc. Now these are primarily early 90's rock albums (with the exception of "Appetite"), but most of my formative and lasting experiences with music formed in the early 90's as did most of my friends.

So I don't really think there is one and for every vote that one act gets there will be 10 saying why they are a bad choice. The discussion is a great way to wile away a few hours over beers, though.

But I cannot IMAGINE what the kids in college and high school are going to have to sort through to come up with an answer for this question.

Posted by: Rob at June 6, 2008 1:07 PM

Julie!!! Take me with you, chickie!

I downloaded those way back in the old Napster days; surely they're still out there somewhere. There may have been one or two more tracks from that session. Leave is COMPLETELY transformed. It's just...haunting.

Posted by: MO at June 6, 2008 1:07 PM

REM is a group I hold near and dear to my heart. They were my first plunge into the alternative genre, and I never came back up for air. Document was the first CD I purchased back in 1987, the disc is in perfect condition, sort of a trophy. After seeing them 5 times, none since the Green Tour, I love the fact they are still doing what is necessary to voice my generationaly concerns.

REM is the voice reason and common sense during my generation but I would like to enter The Replacements (1979-1991) from the part of our generation that didn't give a fuck. These two bands were like a two-pronged tank division marching through music and setting the stage for the alternative and grunge movements.

Favorite REM songs:
1. King of Birds ( Document)
2. Ignoreland (Automatic)
3. Flowers of Guatemala (Life's Rich)
4. I Remember California (Green)
5. So Fast, So Numb (Hi-Fi)

Favorite Album: Reckoning

Posted by: richmac at June 6, 2008 1:07 PM

TK, we're cool and all, but Gwar is to me what moist is to Nicole. Though for me, it sends me into a post traumatic stress induced flashback to my sophomore year in student housing living next to the Sex Banshee with walls thin enough to see through. Sex Banshee had to have it, all the time, and apparently from the entire line-up of the Washington Redskins (including the waterboy). But in case her sex moans(screams) weren't loud enough, they were always accompanied by the smooth sounds of Gwar cranked to 11.

Typical day:

Roomate: Jesus, I think she's being killed.

jM: hmm. Death by dick...that's a fun police report.


Enough diversions, if someone wanted to maybe get into REM, where should they begin?


Eponymous is an early collection of their most popular singles from the first few albums ("hits" would be a stretch for that period), and it's a good way to sample fine pieces from their early albums. Out of Time is extraordinarily accessible yet contains some true R.E.M. magic that hearkens back to their early work -- songs like "Texarkana" and "Country Feedback" capture that same vibe while the album moves into their newer commercial sensibility.

Old-timers may disagree with me, but I would say, if you're truly starting fresh, go with Eponymous and Out of Time to get the flavor in your mouth, then add an early album like Fables of the Reconstruction. If you're getting one more, get Document, then once you're safely in love, fill in the gaps from there. tb

Posted by: jM at June 6, 2008 1:12 PM

Oh Mr. Boynton you have made my weekend. R.E.M. was my all time favorite band growning up - Out of Time came out when I was 14. I would have to say that Out of Time and Counting Crows August and Everything After are in a very close race for my favorite albums ever. Back in the early days of these here interwebs, and before I gained the nickname "Bistro," I used to use the handle "Me in Honey."

As for a favorite song, it's very close between "Nightswimming" and "Near Wild Heaven."


I will go to my grave maintaining that August and Everything After was one of the top 10 albums of the 1990s; Counting Crows' subsequent lazy fall-off is one of the great disappointments of my musical life. tb

Posted by: Bistro at June 6, 2008 1:17 PM

It's Nightswimming and Shiny Happy People for me. They both bring me joy. But I remember when Losing My Religion came out cuz that video was off the hook for it's time.

REM will always be cool.

Posted by: wsapnin at June 6, 2008 1:21 PM

Thanks for the warning Ted. Backing away slowly...


Well, turns out wsapnin likes it too. I don't mind the song personally; it reminds me of bubble-gummy B-52s, which is a fun genre. Hardcore fans despise the song, however, as a pure commercial lark to gain radio play. It did that, but I believe the intent was an homage to their B-52 contemporaries. tb

Posted by: jillster85 at June 6, 2008 1:24 PM

Oh, and in my younger days "World Leader Pretend" was the favorite, but it doesn't hold up as well to me now.

jM, if you want to get into R.E.M. the best place would be to start at the beginning (Murmur and Reckoning are both great). Or you could start with the stuff that took them from hip college band to mainstream stars (Green, Eponymous [an early best of], and Out of Time). But if you don't want to be turned off right away, you're best to avoid anything released after about 1997 or 98.

Posted by: Bistro at June 6, 2008 1:26 PM

JM-

I would start at Life's Rich Paegeant or Reckoning. Very complete albums that show the true depth of their talent.

Posted by: richmac at June 6, 2008 1:30 PM

I can forgive liking "Shiny Happy People."

"Stand", however, is a fucking abomination of a song. But then, I'm hardly an R.E.M. expert, so what do I know.

Posted by: TK at June 6, 2008 1:31 PM

Thanks Bistro. I'm definitely gonna start from the beginning. I like seeing how much of a shift a band's sound takes pre-fame to post-fame.

Posted by: jM at June 6, 2008 1:37 PM

REM live is one of the top shows of my life.

Favorite song: "Low"


Guh, when MS comes in with that swelling thunder, "You know about time ... you know how things go, they come and go, they live and grow ..." My chest always fills up and I get the shivers. tb

Posted by: Cindy at June 6, 2008 1:47 PM

Driver 8. Off the radio onto cassette, then a cd, now on the mp3 player. Just about any version. Song for happiness, song for sadness. Soft behind my letter-writing. Loud enough to make the eardrums bleed (hey, what's that red stuff on my shirt? I thought these earbuds weren't supposed to let ANYTHING leak out.)


The borderline country stuff is usually among my favorites, and "Driver 8" is definitely in my top 10, along with "Don't Go Back to Rockville." R.E.M. doing country is kind of like Lyle Lovett's love child with The Breeders. tb

Posted by: gavin at June 6, 2008 1:54 PM

mmmm. nightswimming makes me feel gooooooooood. it's hot as hell in cny right now and i'm envisioning sitting at the gully with somebody's car stereo playing that at a low volume. maybe my friends will indulge me and we can make this scenerio happen tonight.

Posted by: Bridget at June 6, 2008 1:56 PM

great review, although I never really put booze and REM together. That was reserved for the Replacements, if anyone can remember those guys. Started listening to REM around 1983 when Murmur came out, and kinda stopped after Monster. not sure if I could put together a top 5 without leaving something out, but here goes:

1. Electrolite
2. Harborcoat
3. Gardening at Night
4. Pretty Persuasion
5. Losing my religion

Posted by: summerteeth at June 6, 2008 1:59 PM

tb, Exactly the feeling I get as well. For such a soft song, the emotion hits me hard every time.

Posted by: Cindy at June 6, 2008 1:59 PM

i love r.e.m.! i saw them on their monster tour in hampton. i actually managed to get second row seats. it was a fantastic show. afterwards, we mingled outside near the parked tour buses waiting for traffic to disperse. surprisingly, michael stipe popped his head out of one of the bus windows and started handing everyone jolly ranchers. he looked directly at me and said "i remember you! you were in front of peter!" i almost died. the only thing i could say was "yeah!". i am such a dork.

my favorite r.e.m. songs:
leaving new york
harborcoat
e-bow the letter
half a world away
nightswimming

i also love michael stipe's "in the sun"


I'm amazed and delighted at the prevalence of love for "Nightswimming." I think Automatic for the People is one of their better albums, but it doesn't get much attention outside of "Man on the Moon" and "Everybody Hurts." I love "Monty Got a Raw Deal" and "The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite."

Posted by: kelley at June 6, 2008 2:10 PM

man, reading the review and these comments are like a time machine to me. i've seen r.e.m half a dozen times, but not in the last ten years, at least. their recent records haven't grabbed me the same way their pre-'monster' work did. i'm older and obsess about music less, to be sure, but for about ten years there i listened to at least one of their albums, all the way through, just about every single day. no exaggeration whatsoever.

anyway. fave concert was a club date in ann arbor right before they released 'murmur,' and they were like a blast of ice water in my veins (whatever that means). i had next to no idea who they were, but the michigan daily had about one sentence on them, and i was bored, so i went. after that, a front-row seat at their show an old church in downtown detroit was truly spectacular...right after 'life's rich pageant' (my favorite album ever), they opened with ''these days,' and that promptly became my favorite r.e.m song ever. stipe had a top hat and smacked it during the "slapped it on my head" lyric. i can still see it.

...or maybe my fave song is 'superman,' because of stipe's outstretched-arm motions during their show at crisler arena in about 1987.

...or 'driver 8,' of their most underrated album.

...or 'texarkana,' because i love mike mills and it's one of his rare lead vocals.

...or maybe 'bandwagon,' one of their first (and few) semi-political songs.

...or it might be...oh, i don't know, one of fifty others that can bring me to tears of joy and exultation.

greatest american rock and roll band ever. no question.


Agree. It's amazing that as informed and opinionated as they are, their music has stayed relatively free of overt political activism. At Sunday's show, they played "Last Straw," which is a song they wrote, produced, and posted on their website right after the Iraq invasion occurred in 2003. Reading the lyrics, you wouldn't necessarily see the criticism of the Bush administration, but it's there in the sub-text. tb

Posted by: matty blue at June 6, 2008 2:42 PM

Yay! Accelerate just got here from Amazon!

Posted by: ted boynton at June 6, 2008 2:47 PM

Fuck it, Everybody Hurts has gotten me through it more than once, and I'll defend it to the death. The early stuff is, well, the early stuff so there's no complaints there, but a few of their later tracks I like just as well - E-Bow, Imitation of Life and Daysleeper. Daysleeper was definitely a favorite when I had a night job for a couple of years.

If you haven't read the recent Rolling Stone article on Adam Duritz I highly reccommend it. Why can't Adam Durtiz Get Any Respect?

" "I do something that people really don't like," Duritz says, shrugging."

I'm not the biggest CC fan, but shit, there were parts of this that nearly made me cry.


Thanks for the link. The missus still has a real jones for him, and they still sell out the Warfield whenever they play here. He does irritate me on some level, but it's not the music. Not looking like an extra from a Dr. Seuss book would be a start, as well as not whining about the pressures of fame while using said fame to nail most of the starlets in Hollywood circa 1995. I'm not bitter. tb

Posted by: twig at June 6, 2008 2:49 PM

Yay, enjoy the album, Ted! I'm sure you will!

Last Straw? Do you meen Final Straw, which was on Around The Sun, by any chance? There were a few pretty political ones on that album, come to think of it. Anyway, that track's been growing on me lately; love the vocals. Did I mention Stipe's voice has a certain panty-moisting effect on me (pardon my French)? I swear to Godtopus that if he and Margot Timmons of the Cowboy Junkies ever did a duet, I would have an aurgasm on the spot.


Final Straw, that's it. Guh, I lurve Cowboy Junkies. Trinity Sessions led to some fierce sheet-wrestling with the missus back in the 90s. Relatively fierce, for me, anyway. tb

Posted by: MO at June 6, 2008 3:19 PM

Automatic for the People was the first CD I got from Columbia House in my 10-for-a-penny deal.

However, I feel compelled to admit that in those days I was more struck by MS's contribution to "Kid Fears" with the Indigo Girls. I was a folky one, what?

Posted by: elizabeth at June 6, 2008 3:28 PM

re: Adam Duritz

I think it has to do with a couple things. #1 is his shitlocks when CC first broke. Dude...your last name is Duritz...that automatically makes you too uncool for dreadlocks. Plus...you're white. White guys and dreadlocks is like putting flame decals from Pep Boys on your Honda Civic...sure it sounds cool when you're a teenager, but to everyone else it just looks ridiculous. #2...I think there's some amount of jealousy with the level of hotness he always seems to score. WAY out of his league. It's a 5 dating a 10. It's like Chris Burke dating Megan Fox. It shouldn't happen. You should be sticking your penis in women with the looks of SJP and the emotional/psychological depth of an Arizona mudpuddle...NOT...i repeat NOT sticking it to quality trim like Monica Potter and Joanna Going.

Posted by: PissBoy at June 6, 2008 3:34 PM

Mmmmm....Sweet Jane....ohhh, yeah....

I'd love to add to my Junkies collection, anyone have suggestions of a good album to pick up? I have Trinity Sessions and Pale Sun/Crescent Moon, but the latter is a bit country-ish for my taste (though Crescent Moon is a good track).


Black-Eyed Man. Soft and sweet. tb

Posted by: MO at June 6, 2008 3:43 PM

Maybe his junk is of unparalleled girth, PissBoy.

I loved August and Everything After, I never got around to replacing my copy after it was stolen. Round Here is such a pretty song.

And I've never heard the Cowboy Junkies (that I know of)...I'm intrigued.


Ack! Go buy Trinity Sessions right this moment, young lady! Then go make the sweet, sweet love with a man who appreciates hour-long sex. There's some fatherly advice. tb

Posted by: Julie at June 6, 2008 3:46 PM

Love, love, love "Fall on Me" from Life's Rich Pageant.
On a side note and thinking back to last week's diversion, I will never forget the time I was lost in the woods in Northern Manitoba for a frightening 45 minutes... Which is the same as ETERNITY. When I finally made it out, scared and shaken, the song playing on my truck radio was "Stand". I have a love/hate for that song and orienteering now.

Posted by: raindog at June 6, 2008 3:49 PM

Pretty Persuasian was my fave for a long time, until the first time I heard them perform S. Central Rain live, and that was all she wrote. It's all about Mike Mills' sublime backup vocals.

Posted by: AmyK at June 6, 2008 3:54 PM

MO - Get Cowboy Junkies "Miles From Our Home" it's stellar.

Posted by: raindog at June 6, 2008 3:55 PM

Hee! Will do Ted. I need new music, I haven't bought a cd since In Rainbows.

Posted by: Julie at June 6, 2008 3:57 PM

Thank you, Ted--will order it right away! I already had the new Sam Roberts and B-52's in my Chapters shopping cart, and needed to find something else to qualify for free shipping.

Julie--yeah, what he said.

raindog, dude, that sounds awful. Had a similar experience last year (eastern NS, though); it was made all the more frustrating/frightening by the fact that I only left the truck for a quick run to check something out, so I didn't bother to take my cell or GPS with me. And my stupid fieldwork partner just sat in the truck, didn't bother to honk the horn or anything for me to follow...argh!

Luckily, no good tunes were harmed in the making of that trauma.

Suh-weet, time to get out of here! (work, I mean, not this comment thread which I am actually quite enjoying). Later, punks!

Posted by: MO at June 6, 2008 4:03 PM

Hey, thanks raindog, might just have to get both. Rain Dogs is my favourite Tom Waits album, so I think I can trust your taste.

Posted by: MO at June 6, 2008 4:07 PM

Mr. Boynton, may I say how much I appreciate your participation in the comments. I do enjoy interactive criticism.


Not even sure how it got started, though I suspect Paddy had something to do with it. I try to protect my Fridays now so I don't have to travel and miss out. Self-indulgence, thy name is ted boynton. tb

Posted by: Brigette at June 6, 2008 4:24 PM

Ted - have you read the reviews and articles in the NY Times about the Kingsley Amis compilation Everday Drinking. Online in the Dining part of the Style section. Sounds right up your alley. Book is $11.99 on Amazon. It is a compilation of 3 collections of writing about drinking. Sounds liek your kind of guy


I'm working my way through it, and there should be a Boozehound review some time next week. tb

Posted by: Brian at June 6, 2008 4:41 PM

Bought Trinity Sessions Ted! It was cheap at Amazon. Yaaaaay, new music!

Posted by: Julie at June 6, 2008 4:45 PM

Well, my old saw is that "Automatic" is overrated (yeah, I'm peevin' with your peeve. Sorry, man!), or I'm at least tired of hearing about it, and I might kill to have "Man on the Moon" removed from the setlist. But you're definitely not alone in supporting it, it's their friggin "King of America" (and of course I like "Monster" and "Blood and Chocolate" much more).

That said, "Monty Got A Raw Deal" is good whatever album it's on. I've always liked that one.

Getting lost and then hearing "Stand" is too good. Not that I endorse Manitoba trauma, but that's one of those great punchlines life sometimes gives us.


"Man on the Moon" may be my least favorite of theirs, at least out of the stuff I know well. I'm sure there's something on Up that would piss me off. tb

Posted by: Jay at June 6, 2008 4:46 PM

Best part, you don't get all Prioleu on our asses.


Funny you should put it that way, after all the nonsense from his entourage about their "drill" sergeants. tb

Posted by: Brigette at June 6, 2008 4:47 PM

AHHAHAHAHa I had almost forgotten about that part!

Y'all have a nice weekend! I get to leave now.

Posted by: Brigette at June 6, 2008 4:56 PM

My fellow bay area brethren! I had no idea this concert existed, but that's probably because I live way out in the middle of no where (walnut creek) and am only 16 with friends who gave no taste in music. Its a shame though, I love Modest Mouse and THe National. I guess i should check this rem u old farts keep raving about. I never really gave them a listen.

u old farts? That's a paddlin'. tb

Posted by: Alex McQ at June 6, 2008 5:38 PM

I saw them in LA a few nights earlier, and although the sound was a little on the low side, they still rocked it out. Stipe kicked ass, was affable and played an eclectic mix of the old and new. I've always thought of them as America's U2, for both their talent, social commentary and longevity. In a world of NeeYos, Fall Out Boys, Daughtrys, they are a welcome breath of fresh air. One that has been a steady breeze for over twenty-five years. Find the River rules.

Ooh, "Find the River" is definitely a coyote call: "I have got to leave to find my way." Speaking of which, I'm over and out for now. Have a great weekend. tb

Posted by: Mike at June 6, 2008 5:42 PM

"Berkeley girls may not shave their pits"

You say that like it's a problem.


Did I say "pits"? I meant "tits." tb

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at June 6, 2008 5:53 PM

The National and Modest Mouse are "meh" opening acts? I don't fucking think so.


You didn't list your favorite REM song. Under the rules, you are disqualified from winning the "I Fucking Hate Modest Mouse and The National" tee-shirt. tb

Meh!

Posted by: SkortBrun at June 6, 2008 6:39 PM

Oh, sorry. My favourite R.E.M. song is probably "The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite."


An excellent choice; I should have been more clear that The National and Modest Mouse were "meh" to me because (a) as mentioned initially, I have tried Modest Mouse, to no avail, and (b) given the choice between (i) sitting in the Greek for five hours so I could check out another band I've never heard of or (ii) sitting outside, drinking beer and ogling college girls, I went with (ii). I have no idea whether The National is actually "meh." The girls, however, were not. tb

Posted by: SkortBrun at June 6, 2008 7:03 PM

I'm really glad this is good. I'm of the generation without a band, so I know very little of R.E.M., but I'm ushering this show when it comes to Philly. I'm actually mostly ushering it because I love The National (which you should have paid attention to -- they're awesome!). I'm going to listen to some of the recommended albums here first, though, since it often sucks ushering with no knowledge of the artist's work. (Unless it's Tuck and Patty, which I wouldn't want to hear one more minute of). Of course, semi-bragging about getting paid to see this show will probably jinx me and I'll end up stationed in front of the terrace seats or in the back of the last section. P.S. -- any Philly people here planning to go, please, please don't try to sneak up to a better section or sit on the stairs?

If my generation has any sort of representative at all, I'd say it's whatever the latest youtube-made hit is, like Soulja Boy. None of the adults I know had ever heard of this song as of this spring, but it was EVERYWHERE at school. It's the epitome of modern popular entertainment -- internet-based, meaningless, and nobody actually listens to it for any inherent value.

Posted by: Crinn at June 6, 2008 10:11 PM

Are you by chance a Morphine fan, tb?


I used to be but the hospitals have become such fascists with their "screening processes" ... oh. No, I haven't listened to them much. Worth a listen then? tb

Posted by: Cindy at June 6, 2008 10:24 PM

Probably "Driver 8," possibly "Oddfellows Local 151" (the 151 guitar solo scares the bejeezuz out of me).

Not long ago about a dozen bands here in Mo'town did a benefit R.E.M. tribute, playing like three songs each, and it was a great night. I'd forgotten how much I loved many of those songs. The night ended with maybe 15 people on stage at 123 singing, of course, "It's the End of the World ..."

Posted by: bucdaddy at June 6, 2008 10:28 PM

Also, just read up the comments and must dicker with Matty Blue. R.E.M. is good, no question, but ... Drive-By Truckers is the best rock and roll band I've seen in my 51 years.

Posted by: bucdaddy at June 6, 2008 11:15 PM

best REM song: "leave"

Posted by: kerimcan at June 7, 2008 3:58 AM

Favs: Stand or Pop Song 89, can't decide.

(And secretly it's Star 69.)

Posted by: Adere at June 7, 2008 9:16 AM

Recently I've been going through some personal problems, and yesterday morning everything exploded. For a while now I've been battling personal demons with all the strength I have. At 9:00 a.m. a bed opened up in a treatment center and I was accepted. Hopefully I'll be able to beat these demons with your good wishes and good thoughts. I only asked that you respect my privacy, the last time I went for help people were trying to figure out where my treatment center was and this caused problems for the treatment center staff. I wish all of you well. I won't be around for a while, I will miss you all.

Posted by: Pookie at June 7, 2008 10:25 AM

Good luck, Pookie. Heal.

Posted by: bucdaddy at June 7, 2008 5:03 PM

Favourite REM song - We Walk or Orange Crush.


Up the stairs and to the landing, up the stairs and to the landing, oh-oh-oh .... tb

Posted by: Shane at June 7, 2008 6:57 PM

Since I'm a huge time R.E.M. fan who owns every single thing the band has ever put out (including Christmas singles, obscure compilation tunes and the Automatic Box), it's kinda impossible for me to name a favorite song. Let's try it like this: you can find me in between "Fall on me", "Leave", "Radio Free Europe", "Finest worksong", "Begin the begin", "I've been high", "Suspicion", "E-bow the letter", "Drive", "The one I love" and the live version for "Walk unafraid".

Now, if you excuse my being so ridiculously pretentious, I can maybe write you a recipe for late R.E.M. appreciation. Ready?

Up and Reveal are certainly a different R.E.M., but they are easily enjoyable after some listening to Hi-Fi, my all-time favorite album. Collect the weirdest parts of all their albums and you'll end up with something similar to those two. Forget Around the Sun for now.

Then you consistently listen to everything the band has ever produced for about two months straight, until you're into a jangle-induced haze and thinking, "What else can I get by this band that reflects their situation as of now?". You must go get Accelerate in some properly euphoric state. Listen to it for a week. After that, start interpolating new songs with old ones and rediscover your teen years all over again, to the point that your friends start complaining.

Ok, now you're ready for Around the Sun. Take it as a failed parallel project, face it like a curiosity, select maybe two tunes you'd keep out of it and never listen to that album again.

You're a happy R.E.M. camper again, now.


I'm always up for some good advice. If New Adventures in Hi-Fi is the favorite of an uber-fan, then I'll get that out for another try. I listened to Accelerate Friday and yesterday, went running with it, drove around to it, and sat on the sun porch with the missus to it last evening. It's good; parts are really good. I'm pretty sure we have Up in a box around here somewhere (Boozehound's office is undergoing a bit of a renovation right now). tb

Posted by: gargumma at June 8, 2008 2:38 AM

BTW, Cindy, I used to be a big Morphine fan too.

Posted by: gargumma at June 8, 2008 2:39 AM

Belong and Country Feedback are the best songs to come from R.E.M.in my opinion. Then again, I have been on antidepressants for over 10 years (and what is the appropriate anniversary gift for that?) and I have a serious bent towards sad, misery inducing music. That being said, Everybody Hurts is not just a song, more of a mantra for really bad days.

Posted by: Maria at June 8, 2008 10:18 AM

Can I just say: this comment diversion just made me revisit albums that I hadn't listened to in ages and MADE my afternoon. Nightswimming has always been a favorite, but I had damn near forgotten about King of Birds. And Drive is a song that instantly transports me back to 1992 in a way that few songs can.

Posted by: Kris at June 8, 2008 5:24 PM

Whew, gargumma, that was very comprehensive! I thought I was obsessive; I bow to you.

May I respectively submit that Around the Sun is actually pretty enjoyable? Among the albums you discuss, I'd rank it above Up (though I haven't given that one a spin in ages), and pretty close to Reveal (such a beautiful summer's-day kind of album).

The title track is so sweetly optimistic...I can't put my finger on exactly why I love "The Ascent of Man" but I do..."Aftermath" just gets to me for some reason ("so you work it out, overfeed the cat/ and the plants are dry and they need to drink/ so you do your best and you flood the sink/ sit down in the kitchen and cry"...*sniff*...).

Mind you, I could do without "Electron Blue," and Q-tip's part in "The Outsiders" just seems incongruous. Overall, though, I think it's an album worth sticking up for!

Posted by: MO at June 8, 2008 5:49 PM

Ugh, I mean "respectfully submit." (Don't drink and type, Maureen....)

Posted by: MO at June 8, 2008 9:02 PM

tb I absolutely recommend checking them out - especially Like Swimming
I first heard them in the movie "Spanking the Monkey". Saw them live in NYC and was just blown away.

Posted by: Cindy at June 8, 2008 9:03 PM

I first heard them in the movie "Spanking the Monkey".

Yeah, that was kind of a break...in a way. I was told "Head With Wings" had been on the radio the previous summer but that was the first time I really heard them. I miss seeing them do "Pulled Over The Car" and "I'm Free Now" told me precisely about problems I hadn't even had yet.

I remember when the news broke that Mark Sandman had died, live on stage, my friend said "but in a way, isn't that really fuckin cool?". I had to agree of course. If he was going to die at that point, that was about the most badass way to do it. "Have a lucky day" indeed.

Posted by: Jay at June 8, 2008 11:32 PM

I thought it was only cool if one overdosed or one's flying machine went down - aren't those the official rock star deaths? Heart attack sounds awful.

Posted by: Cindy at June 9, 2008 1:41 PM

Sorry I'm late to the party, but I just had to throw out that I've lived in Athens for 10 years, Weaver D (Automatic For The People) was even my landlord for most of them, so I had of course heard tons of REM music and folklore and all that but never made a dedicated effort to seek anything out.

Then Mike Mills stalked me one night and I struck up a friendship with one of their backing musicians and ended up catching the "secret show" at the Georgia Theatre back in '02 or some shit.

It.blew.my.fucking.MIND.

They are really a band that needs to be experienced live to be appreciated fully. Glad you had a great time, Ted!

Posted by: feramones at June 13, 2008 3:11 PM

and for the diversion: simply for fun factor, I love cranking up "Crush with Eyeliner".

Posted by: feramones at June 13, 2008 3:12 PM

I love r.e.m. and always will.

Posted by: Friendly at June 22, 2008 5:06 AM





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