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Boozehound Cinephile | September 12, 2008 | Comments (99)


Boozehound Cinephile is taking a short leave of absence in no way related to a legal matter involving some sorority pledges, in order to offer a new, possibly recurring column about the relationship, or utter lack thereof, between the pop culture of yore and the latest and greatest from the Us People Weekly machine of today. Younger readers, please stay with me, as I think there’s something fun for all of our readers to give feedback on through the mini-comment diversion below.

A handful of readers and staffers such as myself [*cough*TK *cough*] are elderly by Pajiba demographic standards while still relatively young by eligible-for-cremation standards. We’re in the oldest 5% of Pajiba readers, and it’s both amusing and intriguing to follow the occasional culture clashes between our formative memories and those of the next generations — for example, the advent of rap music with acts like The Sugar Hill Gang, as opposed to its maturation during the childhoods of 20- and 30-year-olds with the good (Public Enemy, N.W.A.), the bad (Vanilla Ice), and the hazardously-pantalooned (M.C. Hammer).

(I mean, seriously. What would have happened if M.C. Hammer strayed too close to one of the cooling fans on the set in that music video? Remember in The Incredibles how the superheroes had stopped wearing capes because of problems like getting sucked into a jet engine? Can you imagine the little shreds of bloody sofa upholstery and mediocre music star sprayed all over the place? Sure, no shreds of dignity would have sullied the carpet, but still.)

Rap and hip-hop are far too cool and relevant for our initial foray, however. Today, I want to talk about an ancient group of uncoordinated, out-of-shape, and painfully Caucasian personages, forced by contractual obligations to humiliate themselves by competing in displays of (questionable) speed and feats of (shaky) skill. I want to talk about something that could not possibly happen today.

I want to talk about “Battle of the Network Stars.”

In November 1976, ABC broadcast a two-hour television special in which each of the Big Three networks sent a team of actors from popular television shows to compete in physical challenges - a sort of cheese-tastic celebrity Special Olympics. Howard Cosell, at the time a major cultural figure as the sportscaster for ABC’s Monday Night Football, hosted “Battle” and provided the play-by-play for events ranging from swimming competitions to tug of war to relay races.

“Battle” featured a mind-boggling collection of themed-lunchbox fodder that really presses my nostalgia buttons when I reflect on it. Take a look at the teams sent for that first special in 1976:

ABC: Gabe Kaplan (“Welcome Back, Kotter”), Darleen Carr (“Streets of San Francisco”), Lynda Carter (“Wonder Woman”), Farrah Fawcett (“Charlie’s Angels”), Richard Hatch (“Battlestar Galactica”), Robert Hegyes (“Welcome Back, Kotter”), Ron Howard (“Happy Days”), Hal Linden (“Barney Miller”), Penny Marshall (“Laverne & Shirley”), John Schuck (“McMillan & Wife”).

CBS: Telly Savalas (“Kojak”), Adrienne Barbeau (“Maude”), Gary Burghoff (“M*A*S*H”), Kevin Dobson (“Kojak”), Pat Harrington, Jr. (“One Day at a Time”), Bill Macy (“Maude”), Lee Meriwether (“Barnaby Jones”), Mackenzie Phillips (“One Day at a Time”), Loretta Swit (“M*A*S*H”), Jimmie Walker (“Good Times”).

NBC: Robert Conrad (“Baa Baa Black Sheep”), Melissa Sue Anderson (“Little House on the Prairie”), Karen Grassle (“Little House on the Prairie”), Tim Matheson (“Insight”), Ben Murphy (“Gemini Man”), Barbara Parkins (“Captains and the Kings”), Joanna Pettet (“Captains and the Kings”), Kevin Tighe (“Emergency!”), Bobby Troup (“Emergency!”), Demond Wilson (“Sanford & Son”).

In November 1976, that was quite a line-up. During the 1975-76 and 1976-77 television seasons, “M*A*S*H”,” “Welcome Back, Kotter,” “Maude,” “Kojak,” “One Day at a Time,” “Happy Days,” “Laverne & Shirley,” “Barney Miller,” and “Charlie’s Angels” were all major hits. While some of the “Battle” participants were role players, such as Gary “Radar” Burghoff and Pat “Schneider” Harrington, it’s impressive in retrospect that well-known stars like Farrah Fawcett, Lynda Carter, Telly Savalas, and Robert Conrad appeared on a special where there was only a bit of cash to gain and all the dignity in the world to lose. Equally impressive, there was not a single “washed-up has-been” in the group — everyone involved had ongoing acting gigs in a popular series or was a regular mini-series presence for a network, a far cry from nonsense where Uncle Joey from “Full House” and Kim Kardashian’s Ass show up in a desperate bid to get someone, anyone, to look at them. (Note: I will look at Kim Kardashian’s Ass.)

In future years, the teams on “Battle” evolved with an ever-changing membership, though most of the participants made repeat appearances, such as Gabe Kaplan’s five specials. In addition to those listed in the first special, reviewing the people who made appearances is like compiling a “Who’s Who” of 70s and 80s cheese-o-vision:

Kristy McNichol
Jaclyn Smith
Sonny Bono
Rob Reiner
Dan Haggerty
Jane Seymour
Kurt Russell
Billy Crystal
Suzanne Somers
Valerie Bertinelli
Cheryl Ladd
Cheryl Tiegs
Dick Van Patten
Scott Baio
Robert Urich
William Shatner
Ed Asner
William Devane
Melissa Gilbert
Victoria Principal

… and that’s just the ones from the 70s! The most incredible aspect of the show, however, was that the participants generally seemed really invested in who won. I have vivid memories of Gabe Kaplan and Robert Conrad almost coming to blows over a close finish in a foot race, and even though there were the requisite campy interviews and sports-parody “insider” pieces about each team’s training regimen, there was enough on the line — $20,000 for each winning participant — that they genuinely wanted to win.

The program continued to run on a semi-annual basis through the early to mid-80s, riding major names like Tom Selleck, Michael J. Fox, Tony Danza, and Mark Harmon. “Battle” began to wind down in the mid-80s, for reasons we’ll get into, but after a three-year hiatus beginning in 1985, there was a brief resurgence with a special in 1988 that gives some insight into why the show died. The 1985 program included a host of lesser lights such as Malcolm Jamal-Warner, Tina Yothers, and Allyce Beasley, each of whom appeared on a hit TV show (“Cosby,” “Family Ties,” and “Moonlighting,” respectively), and each of whom appeared well down the credits on that show.

Not coincidentally, the mid- and late 80s saw a cultural shift that made “Battle” impossible to continue in its original format, a shift reflected in two trends: First, television truly came into its own as a major segment of the entertainment industry during the 1980s, with television stars becoming household names with recognition and clout comparable to that of movie stars — it’s astonishing to consider that Harry Hamlin of “L.A. Law” was probably as popular as Robert DeNiro in 1987, maybe more so. Television stars also saw a major jump in compensation, so that it became difficult to create an incentive powerful enough for them to risk looking like a Special Olympics also-ran on national television.

A separate but related development was the subtle dissolving of the lines between television and cinematic acting. Looking at that first group of names from 1976, not a single one was a significant film star. Ron Howard had appeared in a couple of notable films, in particular American Graffiti, but the 70s remained a period when a bright line separated television and film acting, and successful crossovers were few and far between. The 1980s saw a change in this paradigm. As actors like Michael J. Fox, Tom Selleck, and Kurt Russell enjoyed enhanced fame and power, they began to pursue more prestigious and lucrative projects in movies. (These projects were largely flame-outs - High Road to China, anyone? - but that’s a subject for another day.)

As a result of this cultural shift, television networks lost much of their power in relationships with popular television actors. In 1976 it was a relatively simple matter for ABC to tell Penny Marshall, “Run this relay race or Laverne spends next season on her back in a Milwaukee brothel.” The power was certainly shifting by 1985, when Heather Locklear’s swimsuit posters were getting spackled by every 12-year-old boy in the country, most of whom had no idea why she was famous. Can you imagine ABC approaching David Caruso and Dennis Franz in 1994 and asking them to run hurdles in a race against Jerry Seinfeld and Kelsey Grammar? As Dana Carvey might have intoned at the time, “Naht ganna deu it.”

Generalizing from the trivial to the profound, the obsolescence of “Battle” marked a milestone in how we expect television to serve us. Looking back, it’s fascinating and heartening to remember television beginning to take on the role that cinema had exclusively occupied for decades. Sure, most television was and remains utter crap. But through the evolution of the players in the best of television, from “Seinfeld” and “NYPD Blue” right up through “Arrested Development” and “Six Feet Under,” we ended up with truly gifted actors where before there were flop-sweat circus performers who were just glad to have a job. (Don’t even get me started on “Battle” sibling “Circus of the Stars”).

Still and all, I miss not just “Battle of the Network Stars” itself; I miss the idea of our favorite stars from our favorite shows stepping out of character to do something silly, the idea of worlds colliding as Richie Cunningham tried to dunk Kojak in a baseball-toss water tank. “Battle” was reality TV before there was reality TV. The only real difference between “Battle of the Network Stars” and “Survivor” is that I liked the Network Stars before and after the show, while I was in favor of the executions of the entire “Survivor” cast by the last episode.

Reality-TV means something quite different today than it did in the relatively irony-free late 70s. Trust me, I was a snarky little pre-teen shit, a complete puzzle to my earnest parents, and I can’t remember hoping that Linda Evans and Charlene Tilton would get into a nipple-twister over whether the obstacle course was set up fairly. (In fairness to me, it had not yet occurred to me that watching Krystle “Dynasty” Carrington and Lucy “Dallas” Ewing rub each other’s lady parts while I rubbed myself would be the ultimate achievement in the universe.) I really wanted the CBS team to win, because those were the shows we usually watched - we were old-line CBS/Cronkite/Murrow Democrats. I really wanted plucky Valerie Bertinelli to overcome being the weak link in the relay race, because she reminded me of my sister.

These days, I suppose there’s no realistic way to bring back “Battle” — not in its true sense. Bastardized modern versions exist, of course, in the form of “Dancing with the Stars,” “Skating with Celebrities,” and the like. But at least half the viewers of those shows, like me, really only tune in to see “Root for the D-Lister to Bite It and Need Complicated Orthodontal Re-Structuring and Cosmetic Surgery.” Who wasn’t excited to see Kristy Swanson’s face put into service to figure out whether the skating rink ice was frozen too hard?

There are certainly intriguing ideas about how one could implement this concept, were sufficient incentives there to entice the television actors of today. With that in mind, our mini-comment diversion for today is: What television stars would you like to see compete on the athletic field, and what events would they perform?

I’ll start: My favorite idea is near and dear to Beloved Leader Dustin’s heart. See, what you do is, you take Rainbow Killer. You tie her Heigl ass to a four-foot rope. You stake that rope into the ground. You provide javelins to Ellen Pompeo, Patrick Dempsey, Sandra Oh and the other “Grey’s” folks. Starting from fifty yards out, first one to wing her gets a co-starring role in the next Adam Sandler movie. First one to strike a mortal blow gets an above-the-title credit in Soderbergh’s next film. Keep moving them in toward the target till someone scores. Then move them in again.

Others are more obvious, e.g., the Big Four versus the cable networks or Showtime versus HBO. Some are more esoteric, but also much more fun. I can see a whole show just on the various incarnations of “CSI” versus the “Law and Order” family. There’d be about fifty people on each team for that one, but I really can’t wait to see David Caruso’s interview after losing on the obstacle course.

“That Sisto is fast …”

[bends down to pick up syringe from ground]

[whips off sunglasses]

“Maybe a little toofast.”

Yyyyyhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Ted Boynton is a dedicated sot who plans to leave his barstool to stalk Whit Stillman, now that someone has found Whit Stillman. Ted also manages to hold down a job and a wife, three hours each per day, whether they need it or not. Readers may scold, hector, admonish or taunt Ted by e-mailing him at thecarygrantrules@hotmail.com.


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Sigh! An entire post that could as well be written in Urdu for all I can understand. This brings me back to when I first came to the US and worked with a very nice woman who everyone kept referring to as "Mrs. Cleaver". On Thursdays, they would have a "never getting off the island" coffee break. I felt so alone, and now it's all come rushing back: the alienation, the feeling of being left out, the attempts to laugh without knowing what I'm actually laughing at.
Come the revolution, I shall impose a culture where only Euro-centric pop culture is valid and you will all wonder what I am on about when I refer to Grange Hill and Coronation Street and Glenroe!!!!


I live to edumicate. tb

Posted by: PaddyDog at September 12, 2008 10:26 AM

This was a nice article that hearkens back to the sepia-colored days of yore, to a simpler time before every other inbred third-generation Hollywood twat assumed that celebrity was a given and that talent, skill, or originality were completely unrelated thereto.

Before Paris spread the Black Syph Epidemic, before Britney's vagooter winked at me from the pages of OK! magazine, long before Spencer "Please pound my balls into jelly with a meat tenderizer; I'm obviously begging for it" Pratt poisoned my brain with the very knowledge of his existence.

Ahhh, yes. A beautiful time, indeed. Makes me long for a warm bowl of oatmeal and a pocketful of Werther's Originals.

But mostly, it made me really really wish that I lived next door to James Caan, because I bet that guy has hosted some three-alarm orgies in his day, and yet his ass knows how to stay out of the gossip pages.

That, my friends, is class.


I always felt like James Caan could have ripped off Eddie Fisher's arm and beaten Frank Sinatra and the rest of the Rat Pack to a bloody pulp, without spilling a drop of the whiskey he was sipping from the other hand. tb

Posted by: Mella at September 12, 2008 10:27 AM

I see you didn't even acknowledge the Battle of the Network Reality Stars show. Good call.


Taking a page from Sarina: I don't believe in "reality stars." tb

Posted by: Robert at September 12, 2008 10:31 AM

"A handful of readers and staffers such as myself ... are elderly by Pajiba demographic standards ..."

"... in the relatively irony-free late 70s. Trust me, I was a snarky little pre-teen shit ..."

Uh-oh. I must be dead then. *pinches flesh, checks obit list in newspaper*


Well the spread goes wild once you get into the top 5% -- I'm not oldest by any means -- but 41 is long in the tooth in the 'Jibaverse. tb

Posted by: bucdaddy at September 12, 2008 10:32 AM

Christ, you took your time getting around to the fact that you were running a comment diversion!


HOWEVER

The subject at hand got me completely excited and a multitude of images exploded in my head. FUCK YEAH! TV Field Day! Who didn't love the hell out of those shows?

Actually, "Circus" (which I would've brought up it you hadn't) was a sort of mid-to-late 80s harbinger. Marjoe Gortner was on "Circus" in 1988. I think Tina Yothers did some trapeze work once? It was most definitely not Gabe and Robert "I dare ya to knock down my tug of war team" Conrad.

The tug of war was the violent climax, for anyone who didn't see these. And you bet you were on the edge of your seat.

Obviously "Homicide" has to run an obstacle course and then tug with the "Law and Order" clowns. Like the Olympics, Belzer must return to his home country. Jon Polito and Ned Beatty may be cumbersome....but they're wily!


If I put it in the first paragraph, you people will jizz all over the comments without cuddling me first. tb

Posted by: Jay at September 12, 2008 10:35 AM

I remember watching Saturday Night Live live (not a rerun) and hearing Steve Martin say, "I BELIEVE . . . The Battle of the Network Stars . . . should be fought with guns!"

(Puts false teeth back in.)

I couldn't stand reality TV in the 70's either.

Posted by: BWeaves at September 12, 2008 10:40 AM

Good lord, why must you trigger the flashbacks again?

The Bad Old Days, when network TV still was your go-to option for entertainment, and THIS is what you were served.

I'm just going to sit over in the corner here, and mind my own business, until someone tells me to stop humming the theme song to The Facts of Life.

Posted by: Wednesday at September 12, 2008 10:41 AM

Paddydog: I used to watch Coronation Street in the 1960's, along The Crossroads Motel, and Dr. Who (William Hartnell, ha!).

Posted by: BWeaves at September 12, 2008 10:43 AM

Ok Mella, we need to address your issue with Werther's Originals. But that's for another time.
I'd like to see the cast of the Office in anything. I feel like they've all been working small parts for so long that they'd love to be seen as "Stars". The athletic factor might be an issue but really, I'm sure we can think of something.
(And the Boozehound could be my Father. Literally.)


What do you mean, "could be"?

See, bucdaddy? Optimus was practically raised in the Church of Godtopus. tb

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at September 12, 2008 10:45 AM

BWeaves:

re your search for the 1996 Masterpiece Theatre version of The Moonstone yesterday, I googled it and found that it is available on Amazon and it looks as if they are also running a rental service.

Posted by: PaddyDog at September 12, 2008 10:55 AM

You know, I was kid-ish yet when Battle aired, but it was one of those shows my family gathered around our giant console tv set in the wood paneled den for. Oh, Gabe Kaplan. The 70s were a special time, weren't they? Also, was Betty White on one of these? I feel like she was, but being amongst the older Pajibians myself, my memory's not so good anymore, so maybe I just want her to have been on.

Anyway, I would love to see David Boreanaz and some of the cast of Bones compete in some track and field events, like high jumps and 100-meter dashes. Against who, though? I don't even know. I'm so bad at these things!


Their natural rival would be "Cold Case," but I think they're on the same network. Maybe an intra-squad scrimmage? tb

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at September 12, 2008 10:56 AM

I don't think I ever watched BotNS. To be truthful, the premise didn't really grab me - but it's possible I'd like to see some celebrity boxing. And I don't mean pretend boxing, rather literal, face-destroying, eyebrow-splitting, beating the crap out of each other boxing.

Match 1: Alec Baldwin vs. William Baldwin

Match 2: Kristin Bell vs. Kristin Chenoweth

Match 3: Winner of Match 1 vs. Winner of Match 2


As long as they are actual television celebrities with a current show, anything goes. I like celebrity boxing, too, even with the Z-listers they had. tb

Posted by: Cindy at September 12, 2008 10:59 AM

OK, I'm going to go back to reading the article (are these things called articles or posts?--yeah that only proves the point I'm about to make) in just a moment, but I just wanted to officially put myself in the elderly Pajiban category. I kind of like that role--especially the part where I get to talk about the young whippersnappers.


It's especially fun to stand around in front of them talking about what suffix to append to their "Generation [blank]" moniker while they jump and down trying to see over the counter to buy beer and cigarettes. tb

Posted by: tamatha at September 12, 2008 11:00 AM

...long before Spencer "Please pound my balls into jelly with a meat tenderizer...

Yes, yes, YES!!! Can someone please do that to him? Please?

Posted by: Eva at September 12, 2008 11:08 AM

Here I was enjoying the comments, minding my own business when I came to this:

"If I put it in the first paragraph, you people will jizz all over the comments without cuddling me first. tb"

I almost had a seizure trying to stifle my guffaws. Seriously, I think I snorked some of my brain out my nose--that stings.

Posted by: Brigette at September 12, 2008 11:15 AM

Paddydog--I have no clue what that was about, either, and I was born here. Those are all real words, but to string them together in that way? Utter jibberish! So if I screw this up, well, it's obviously not MY fault. 'Cause us youngin's don't take no blame for nuthin'!

Terri Hatcher, Charlie Sheen, and Brooke Shields fight it out in ever-less-interesting events, starting with, say, Thai Boxing and gradually winding down towards Tiddly Winks. Bonus points would be given for nasty digs referencing acting work from back when the other contestants were relevant (I envision Sheen screaming "You and your dead mother can suck on my blue lagoon, bitch!")

First Prize: A reality show, of course, because that's the cushiest place for has-beens to end up. Second Place: Spot judging "America's Got Gas" (that one's still on the drawing board, but something along the lines of regualr folks in a competitive eating contest to win gas cards in denominations of $10, 20, and 50) and third place is a rhinestone tiara and a sash reading "Most Obnoxious Has-Been Comeback EVER."

Told you I'd screw it up.

Posted by: frumpiefox at September 12, 2008 11:16 AM

Sweet merciful crap those were star-studded casts. I would love to see Dr. Doug Ross throw down against McDreamy just to see Clooney fuck a sucka up (and amazingly after saying that I'm still a hetero male). I can hardly even watch the big four anymore, with a few exceptions- HIMYM and The Office. Speaking of the office what about Dwight K. Schrute v. Milton Waddams? Battle of the office nerds!


"Of course I took your stapler, Milton. After I heard Michael and Lumberg talking about moving your desk into the broom closet, I knew you wouldn't need it." tb

Posted by: Rorny at September 12, 2008 11:18 AM

I was JUST talking about this with my husband. Remember the shorts? Oh, those short shorts! As I recall Robin Williams was on it once (back in the Mork days). There was some question over who was hairier - he or Gabe Kaplan. I hope that's a real memory and I wasn't wasting my pre-adolescent dreams on Gabe Kaplan.

Posted by: megbon at September 12, 2008 11:21 AM

I would love to see Dr. Doug Ross throw down against McDreamy just to see Clooney fuck a sucka up

Oh now you're reminding me of the righteous pediatrician fury and I'm gonna get all misty......Goddammit you deserved a good Batman script!!!

Posted by: Jay at September 12, 2008 11:25 AM

I'm not yet awake enough to come up with any modern day version of BotNS, but I fondly recall camping out in front of the telly watching that program when I was but a lad and Wendell was nothing more than a "suspicious lump".

However, think it a fabulous idea to actually force actors/actresses from today's shows to compete. Don't feel like it? Fine - we're writing you off the show. Contract is null & void. Easy as that. That way, they're fighting not only for a moment of prime-time greatness, but the safety of their jobs.

And I could think of at least a few Foxy Boxing match-ups that I could thoroughly enjoy alone. In the dark. With sensitive-skin moisturizer.

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at September 12, 2008 11:27 AM

PaddyDog I was raised by hippies who didn't do drugs - seriously, ponder that one for a moment. We only had a black and white television and the only channel regularly allowed was PBS (but not on Sunday because God would smite us) so I never, ever get cultural references. Once a year we were allowed to watch The Wizard of Oz when it aired which meant that many years later I was able to absolutely humiliate myself in a room stuffed with college friends by shouting, "Hey! When did they colorize this??" Also, the most modern music in our house was the Smothers Brothers and Tom Lehrer so I was just all over the cool factor as a kid.

Posted by: Megan at September 12, 2008 11:28 AM

*Sniff* *Sniff*, Poppa? Where were you all these years on the streets, sucking the alcohol from the dirt under sports bleachers, whoring myself out to skanks of age just to suckle the sweet nectar they can provide. Where were you for all those memories?
When I came back trashed off wine coolers, why weren't you there with a dry martini and a heavy buzz, slurring out a stern reprimand for drinking such trash.
Last night I drank Busch Light! BUSCH! Where were you then!

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at September 12, 2008 11:31 AM

Two words - spangly unitards.

I don't care who's wearing 'em, I don't care what they're doing while they're wearing them, I just want to see spangly unitards on primetime again.

I like this little oldtimer corner of the Pajibaverse. Hey! You kids knock that ball over here one more goddamned time, I'm keeping it - you hear me? Yeah, I'm talking to you!
Ahhh, early mid-life crabbiness is acceptable here. I feel like I'm finally home...

Posted by: Lainey at September 12, 2008 11:32 AM

I only watch Law & Order.
Every incarnation over and over every single day.
And I mostly just wanna see Steven Hill (DA Adam Schiff) beat Fred Thompson (DA Arthur Branch) to death in a glass-fisted cage match.

Posted by: Amanda H. at September 12, 2008 11:35 AM

Megan:

Despite living in a different country I can completely relate to your story. We had only one channel growing up (because no imperial British influences were to be allowed to poison our minds). Then for a while my parents were cut off from RTE because they wouldn't pay their television license (because they felt the national station wasn't living up to its promise to provide a percentage of its programming in the Irish language). To fill up our weekends, my parents took us on protest marches against the injustices in the North of Ireland. So on Monday morning's when everyone else was talking about what happened on the big serialized drama the night before, I was telling people I had learned how cruel force-feeding of hunger strikers was.
Eventually my parents decided we were old enough to resist the brainwashing and we got cable and colour. Needless to say, we had already been sneaking into the neighbour's house for years to wacth Doctor Who and such.

Posted by: PaddyDog at September 12, 2008 11:39 AM

How old is the youngest of the top 5%? Just trying to figure out where I fit in.

I remember watching Battle of the Network Stars (why do I keep wanting to call it Battle of the Network All-Stars? Was that another show?). I don't know if the shows were original airings or re-runs, though.

And I kind of want to see House beat the ever-loving shit out of all the crybaby pussies that work at Seattle Grace. Cane optional.

Posted by: Kolby at September 12, 2008 11:54 AM

Hey Paddydog! Thanks for the Moonstone info! I'll check it out.

Megan: My husband had the exact opposite experience with The Wizard of Oz. His parents didn't have a TV for years, after the old black and white one broke. When he finally got a color TV and tried to watch The Wizard of Oz, he was really pissed off for the first 1/2 hour as he's fiddling with all the knobs to try to make the color come on.

Posted by: BWeaves at September 12, 2008 11:59 AM

Kolby, aren't you the same age as me? I seem to remember a thread from earlier this year when we were all talking about how many of us were 30.

Posted by: Sarina at September 12, 2008 12:01 PM

Yep, I'm 30. And I think TK isn't that far ahead of us, which is why I'm wondering if we're old farts or spring chickens.

Posted by: Kolby at September 12, 2008 12:09 PM

Kolbs, I don't have that demographic report anymore, the one Dustin ran about a year ago that asked all the questions about preferences and vitals, but I seem to remember from that, plus a lot of anecdotal comment thread evidence, that the readership tails off sharply once you get above 35-37 years old. Of course, I could just be senile.

Okay, checking out for the day. Pajiba needs a new pair of shoes! If anyone happens to be at Golden Gate Fields today, I'll be the jackass screaming at the broken down nag ambling across the finish line in a solid 12th place. tb

Posted by: ted boynton at September 12, 2008 12:11 PM

Readership tails off once you get above 35-37 years old?

Huh. Guess I'll talk to you folks later then...

[...Fade to black, start dry-ice machine. Cue Della Reese to come through the fog, take Minimus' claw and lead us into the light...]

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at September 12, 2008 12:21 PM

Oh, God help me, I love this article. I've read it three times. I've printed it out, and plan on having it for lunch.

To me, BotNS was like the Oscars, the Emmys and the Grammys all rolled into one celebrity spectacular that outdid them all. I watched these specials, fantasized about hanging out with all the stars, letting out audible squeals when they started with the kayak competition at the Pepperdine University pool - sure, they were one-piece bathing suits, but Farrah, Lynda Carter & all those other gals made 'em rock!

I remember yelling at my TV for Robert 'A-hole' Conrad to shut the holy fuck UP when he was either bitching about the competitions or acting all 70's macho-like. And I cheered myself hoarse when Gabe Kaplan beat the SOB in a race & humbled Conrad's ego in a most satisfactory way.

I remember Howard Cosell having such a man-crush on Scott Baio; my beautiful Valerie Bertinelli being all girly and cute as hell; Victoria Principal, Suzanne Somers, Cheryl Ladd, all these beautiful TV stars in their various sports outfits (and of course the bathing suits) that I would drool over, my brain threatening to explode from all the eye candy - adolescents shouldn't have been allowed to watch all the sexy that went on in these specials, but I'm so glad we were.

Sorry I can't get into even trying to re-create that awesomeness with an updated list, it would only taint my wonderful memories.

Oh, and I did mention I liked this article, right? 'Cause maybe some of you didn't catch my subtle references alluding to such.

Thanks Ted, this really made my Friday.

Posted by: TMax at September 12, 2008 12:25 PM

Actually, I'm curious about the numbers for the male Pajibans. There are far fewer of you, so I wonder if the average age is even the same as it is for the women?

Posted by: Sarina at September 12, 2008 12:25 PM

I would love to see a Battle of the Cable Newsmen. Olbermann and Matthews vs. O'Reilly and Hannity vs.Cooper and Blitzer vs. Stewart and Colbert. How awesome would that be? Olbermann, O'Reilly and Colbert could spar in a three-way smugness competition; Matthews and Hannity could fight to the death in a news skewing match; and Jon Stewart would ultimately win by mocking them all into oblivion.

Of course, this would all be leading up to the Battle of the Really Hot, Early Graying Cable Newsmen, in which Olbermann and Cooper get greased up like pigs at a county fair and wrestle at my feet. After Olbermann wins (you know he will) he'll feed me vodka-soaked fruit and whisper sweet criticisms of the Republican Party in my ear. We'll make love to the MSNBC "Breaking News" theme music and then...

Wait, what were we talking about?

Posted by: courtney at September 12, 2008 12:34 PM

I'm a 63 year old former pipe-fitter from Delaware. And I guess I should let the cat out of the bag on this one too - I am a woman. A manly woman, but a woman nevertheless. I have no conjoined twin, but I do have a brother named Wendell who is six years younger than me and currently time for tax fraud.

I divorced my only husband over twenty years ago. One child, a son, who lives with his wife and two girls in Boulder, Colorado.

There. I've come clean.

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at September 12, 2008 12:36 PM

Hmmm! Sarina:

Only interested in the ages of the male Pajibans? Do you want to know their weight, height, annual income and religious preferences also? On the last one I can tell you 90% of them worship at the alter of the Godtopus. Brian is Jewish. That is all I know, but remember to invite me to the wedding. I love wearing hats.

Posted by: PaddyDog at September 12, 2008 12:39 PM

Gosh, I remember 30, like it was only 7 years ago...

*pulls pants up to just under boobs*

Why, in my day, we didn't even have the Internet, let alone Pajiba! We didn't even have computers! And when we did get them, we had to communicate via bulletin boards! Or cell phones, or cable TV, or a television in every room of our house! We had the huge console in the den, and the 13" black and white set in Mom & Dad's room. We went outside and played ball in the street, or rode bikes, or read a book for our entertainment!
You young 'uns don't know how good easy you have it.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at September 12, 2008 12:40 PM

Skittiums:

You really think we're that gullible? Here's the thing: The NSA has been monitoring you for over a year. They have watched assembly of the Murder Tank with great interest (the Chinese have been watching too, and Putin's mentioned a fly-over). There are satellite Google pictures of you and Minimus sharpening sabres and creating your own biodiesel out of the waste-matter of your test idiots. You can't throw people off the trail of the truth by one little post.

Posted by: PaddyDog at September 12, 2008 12:43 PM

Okay, okay... Seriously? I'm a 22 year old guy in Aurora, Colorado. Currently, I install drywall with my cousin Conrad (yes there is a Conrad, Virginia). I I also work and live with a guy named Wendell, who is originally from somewhere's in Nevada. Not married, no kids, 193 lbs., Catholic, 5'9", $32K, dirty blonde, grayish-green, 2006 Malibu, right handed, deaf in left ear.

There you go...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at September 12, 2008 12:46 PM

I fuckin loved BotNS... my adolescence straddled (heh) the 70s/80s.
There's no way to resurrect the concept now. Back then, big TV stars were popular, but not respected.

godDAM Adrienne Barbeau had some big titties.

Posted by: firedmyass at September 12, 2008 12:46 PM

Methinks Sarina is planning to begin a torrid affair with an older Pajiba gentleman. No pie-eaters please. Well, I guess it depends on the pie.

Posted by: Kolby at September 12, 2008 12:47 PM

er... Paddy, you're just joking around right? Otherwise, I've got a lot of cleaning up to do this weekend...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at September 12, 2008 12:48 PM

Nice try. The CIA says otherwise. You know it was a typo, but I'm keeping it. My new pet name for you is "Skittums"

Posted by: PaddyDog at September 12, 2008 12:50 PM

Skittums:

Let's just say if a gentleman with a thick Slavic accent invites you to tea in London, here's what you do:
1) Put copies of the Murder Tank blueprints in a safe place so we have some leverage over the kidnappers.
2) Don't accept any tea.

Posted by: PaddyDog at September 12, 2008 12:53 PM

God, I don't know what to believe anymore. Ok... Raise your hand (or turkey claw) if you're one of Skitt's fictional constructs. I really can't be surprised by now. If that last one was true, my Skittimus Image (Skittimage) is shattered. I more or less imagined Salacious B. Crumb, the little rat-man from Jabba's palace. Commenting on Pajiba and snickering loudly to himself. Yik yikyik yik!

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at September 12, 2008 12:58 PM

Paddy - shouldn't he also avoid all grim looking strangers clutching umbrellas? I do know my cold war KGB assassination references.

Posted by: Megan at September 12, 2008 1:00 PM

Oh Megan: Absolutely. Especially if said grim-looking umbrella-toter is wearing a buttoned trench coat. Also, men with eye-patches, blonde sirens who are a little too friendly in the hotel lounge bar. In fact I would suggest he avoid all side streets in the former East Berlin for at least six months.

Posted by: PaddyDog at September 12, 2008 1:10 PM

I am a 35-year-old lawyer who grew up with one phone in the house and no computer. I didn't go on the Internet (still capitalizing it as though it's a fad) until I was 25 years old and didn't e-mail until I was 22. I have a "917" cell phone number. My class in college was the first to have voicemail at school.

I am aged, aged, aged.

Posted by: samantha t at September 12, 2008 1:10 PM

Optimus--we know that neither of the above scenarios are true, because A) Skitt's real name is a male name--and not one of those that out of the blue starts being given to girls--and B) he lives in Minnesota. We also know that he is a graphic artist, exhibit 1)Godtopus t-shirt, exhibit 2)MurderTank&trade t-shirt.

As far as fictional constructs, I believe that we have all agreed to accept Minimus and Conrad as real, because I) our lives are much funnier this way, and II) we don't want Skittiums to do anything drastic or have any sort of psychotic break.

Posted by: tamatha at September 12, 2008 1:11 PM

Holy shit. The only thing you're getting out of me is that if you multiply Boozehound's age by 9, divide by 5, add 32 and then subtract the relative humidity...he's still too old to be my son. Whew.

I wonder if he admits to having any grandkids? I started young (they didn't teach abstinence or put promise rings in Happy Meals back in the day) and my oldest followed in my footsteps; my granddaughter turns four in November. Ha! You whelps are gonna get schooled by Gramps Grovera. What micro-fraction of the Pajibaverse is grandparents, pray tell?

So yeah, I'll grudgingly admit to being there for BotNS. The tug-of-war. The short shorts. The big hair. All of it. They don't make TV like that any more, dadgummit. Now where'd I put my damn Metmucil?

Posted by: Che Grovera at September 12, 2008 1:12 PM

Hm, I wonder who the official oldest Pajibian is? Also, I wonder how old Optimus is, because you always talk like you're not legal to purchase beverages of an alcoholic nature?

Harrisburg, you say, bucdaddy? I don't know... wait, good brew pub, you say?? Harrisburg it is! See you and your muscley tongue on Tuesday!

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at September 12, 2008 1:18 PM

This topic has gotten me thinking about Markie Post for some reason. All week, Boynton! Damn you.

Posted by: coveredinbees at September 12, 2008 1:22 PM

Methinks Sarina is planning to begin a torrid affair with an older Pajiba gentleman.

I'm not sure where I'd squeeze that in, what with all the other torrid affairs I'm presently conducting (sidenote: I am exhausted).

I was actually just wondering if there's a noticeable discrepancy in the average male Pajiban age as compared to the general average since their numbers are so much smaller, because sometimes I'm a statistics nerd.

Posted by: Sarina at September 12, 2008 1:24 PM

Yes, I am old enough to have watched and loved these shows. They weren't like realit competition shows today - the tone was more like a Japanese game show. Everyone had fun, but took the competition seriously.

I bet you could have this show on now, just make it Battle of the Network Soap Stars. The Young and the Restless vs. General Hospital vs. Days of Our Lives. Networks have a lot of "influence" with those television stars.

For the mini-diversion, I would like to see a boxing tournament involving all the L&O shows. Sam Waterston would put the smackdown on Mariska Hargitay first, because Sam isn't afraid to hit a girl below the belt. Then, Vincent D'Onofrio would take on Sam and win the Battle of the Blowhards. But who would take the Self-Righteous crown -- Vincent or Christopher Meloni? Tune in to find out!

Posted by: Three-nineteen at September 12, 2008 1:24 PM

I'm almost 50 and I've been a computer programmer for 30 years. I learned to program on punchcards. There's weren't even any screens back then. The concept of a "mouse" completely blew me away, the first time I saw the original Mac. Punchcards (wipes tear from eye), now those'll grow balls on your chest!

Posted by: BWeaves at September 12, 2008 1:52 PM

Optimus,
Since we've been engaged for about 10 threads now and you have me storyboarding our documentary, I demand to know your real age. I'm 23, I live in Santiago (not that anyone cares).

Posted by: Sofía at September 12, 2008 1:54 PM

Longtime Lurker!!

Am I the only person who has seen this? BoTNS in 2003. Features Justin Long, Mario Lopez, and Picabo Street as the bigger name stars.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386315/

I came across it on some random channel a few years ago. Just had to share.

Posted by: Ruthie at September 12, 2008 2:04 PM

I'm old enough to have watched the shows, except for the wrong-side-of-the-pond thing. But they sound fantastic, and I for one would like to see the Battle started again.

I'd pit William Petersen against David Caruso, for starters. Game: competitive pre-credits zingers. You just know Gil would be sneaky, and he'd get in a few good hits while Caruso was slowwwwly taking off/putting on his shades and 'smelling the fart'.
I'd also love to see the cast of Buffy vs the cast of Firefly - beach volleyball. The eye candy alone would be worth it. And don't tell me there aren't a few cast members who would still love to kick sand into SMG's pissy little face! While they were infighting, Firefly would of course clean up. And Summer and Eliza would have a sweaty, scantily-clad post-game hug (for the lady-lovers here. I'm keeping MY fantasies to myself..)

Posted by: Tarn at September 12, 2008 2:22 PM

Punchcards (wipes tear from eye), now those'll grow balls on your chest!

Posted by: BWeaves at September 12, 2008 1:52 PM

Punchcards and thermal printers, BWeaves, and Command Line Interpreters the way Godtopus intended computers to be commanded. Screens and GUIs and mice (oh my!) are the Holy Trinity for the unscientific masses...

But balls on your chest? That sounds unnatural. What do you have to say about that, Skitt (I'm assuming you have some inside knowledge to share)?

Posted by: Che Grovera at September 12, 2008 2:25 PM

The only time I've had balls on my chest was in prison. They weren't mine, I didn't want them there, and that's about all I'm going to say about that...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at September 12, 2008 2:32 PM

Skitt was pillowfighting the bishop with his tiny, tiny throw pillows. tb

Posted by: ted boynton at September 12, 2008 2:37 PM

Skits, was that the time you were in prison because Minimus violated his probation with that drunk & disorderly conduct arrest, or the time that Conrad told the county sheriff that lie about how he'd seen you setting chemical explosives under his back porch because he was pissed that Connie told him she sometimes had fantasies about you, Wendell and the lawn boy getting freaky in the putty & caulk section at Home Depot?

Posted by: Sarina at September 12, 2008 2:45 PM

Let's just say it was a little from column A, a little from column B, and a good goddamed sprinkling of livestock tranquilizers...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at September 12, 2008 3:23 PM

We need a basketball tournament, NCAA style. One and done games, lots of gambling, regional events, with the finals in MSG.
The rules so far
- Show must be active or have at least had their last season a maximum 3 years before the tournament.
- All recurring cast members, current or maximum 2 years removed from the show (or the last year of a canceled so, totaling 5 years ago), are eligible.
- Everyone must play in character.
- If the actor has credits in multiple shows (Sarah Chalke for example), it is put to a vote by the Selection Committee as to which team they are eligible for.
- Committee will also decide if a guest star is eligible. As a general rule absolute stunt casting no (Britney on "HIMYM"), contributes yes (Pee Wee Heman on "30 Rock").
- Oldest main character (not actor Benjamin McKenzie) is the coach.
- Only actual scripted shows are eligible. No scripted reality, actual reality
- The Four regions are divided by parent corporations, with the outliers added via rolling decision by the Selection Committee
CBS & Viacom
NBC Universal
ABC Disney + AMC and its sister channels
FOX + BBC America

More to follow

By the way - Their natural rival would be "Cold Case," but I think they're on the same network. Maybe an intra-squad scrimmage? tb "Bones" = FOX, "Cold case" = NBC

Posted by: Brian at September 12, 2008 3:30 PM

You make me feel like a suckling babe.

Posted by: Lucas at September 12, 2008 3:36 PM

I'm not sure where I'd squeeze that in, what with all the other torrid affairs I'm presently conducting (sidenote: I am exhausted).

Who can satisfy their lustful habits,
I'm not a rabbit!
I need some rest!...

I've been with thousands of men,
again and again,
they promise the moon,
they always coming and going,
going and coming,
and always too soon!...

Don't you know she's pooped??

Posted by: lordhelmet at September 12, 2008 3:52 PM

Tarn: I'd also love to see the cast of Buffy vs the cast of Firefly - beach volleyball.

But Nathan Fillion would have to play both sides at once, so no fair. Then again, that could be interesting.

Posted by: BWeaves at September 12, 2008 3:53 PM

I am a robust 20 years of age and currently reside within a not so prestigious Michigan University. So there it is. The truth is out. To open up more, I was brainwashed in the Lutheran school system for my early life leading to many inferiority complexes and the like. I am also engaged to a Chilean orphan. (Or is it just adopted?) I hate Goldfish, Cheetoes and any other false cheese snacks.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at September 12, 2008 4:46 PM

A Michigan University? I happen to own a Calvin College hoodie, Mr.

SO meant to be.

Posted by: Sofía at September 12, 2008 5:05 PM

BWeaves:
That's true.
Ok..... hows about Nathan switches sides with Jonathan Woodward (another crossover) at half-time?
Mind you, BtVS could call up so many extra players from those seven seasons, they could stand to lose both Nathan and Jonathan to Firefly. Hell, they could have Wentworth Miller, Eion Bailey, and David Boreanaz on the bench, just for a start. Damn, the eyecandy just got even better.... ;-)

Posted by: Tarn at September 12, 2008 5:06 PM

.....aaaand I just got your 'play both sides at once' joke! Yup. I'd watch that, for sure...;-) But I'm not certain it's a competitive sport yet.

Posted by: Tarn at September 12, 2008 5:08 PM

I know a girl who goes to Calvin! Are you her? Tall and blonde? A little weird?

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at September 12, 2008 5:33 PM

Great article until you got to the Rainbow Killer. This shit isn't a game, or a joke. What you do is buy out a hell of a lot of advertising spots. I mean a Hell of a lot. Then you cut a 30 sec ad with Tits being shot in the face. Then you air that shit in every spot for at least a year. I bet netwrok viewship will rise by Eleventy Hundred percent.

Serious.

Posted by: Gamal at September 12, 2008 5:54 PM

This article is sort of like when you're hanging out with an older man at a bar and you're laughing and having a great time and thinking what does age matter anyway? This guy is awesome. I could learn so much from someone with more worldly experience! And then he starts talking about TV shows and actors and you have NO IDEA what he's talking about, and you want to enjoy the story or try to relate, but even though the names sound kind of vaguely familiar, dammit those shows have been off the air for most of your life! And you can just see his face fall a little bit and you both get sort of frustrated, and then you start looking around for someone else to talk to and you forget it about it mostly but it still sucks.

That's kind of how I feel about you now, Ted. I still love you, and you'd definitely be the cool guy at the bar that would know a lot about whiskey but I would just embarrass myself because I don't know who Dick Van Patten is. And if you were a normal person you would feel weird and old, but since it's you you probably wouldn't but I would still feel weird about it.

I feel weird already.


Aw, hellz no. You think that's all the game I got? AM, this is Smoove B you're talking to. I bring the intuition and the empathy, and I bring it strong.

If you and I were talking at a bar, I would judiciously launch test balloons on Pantheon Cocktail Theory, current cinema, and timeless literature; we'd find our common ground and then discuss what you think is important. I'd casually mention my complete non-celebrity as a faux-cranky critic, then subtly work in my views on the importance of an adventurous and non-judgmental outlook on life. I'd compliment your color scheme, your shoes, and, if applicable, any visible tattoos. I'd speculate on what a wonderful woman your mother must be.

And as the clock struck 2:00 a.m., the ball would be in your court. I'm 41, frisky as a colt, and know far too much about who Pete Wentz and Lily Allen are. As a smart young woman once remarked, "what does age matter anyway?" tb

Posted by: AM at September 12, 2008 6:55 PM

Shatner rocked the BotNS from the 70's all the way up the 80's when he was doing TJ Hooker, he ALWAYS did something spectacular.
I remember this one time, they locked him in some kind of metal locker and Bigfoot (1st iteration )came and completely obliterated it GASP!

And WHO happens to step out of the monster pick-up?

The. MOTHERFUCKIN'.... Shatner.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at September 12, 2008 7:07 PM

Should read: CotNS as in *circus*

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at September 12, 2008 7:15 PM

Optimus,
I'm tall and my hair is light brown, but I'm not just a little weird. The state has declared me legally insane. So I guess it's a good thing that I don't live up there.

I do have a friend who goes to Calvin, though. She sent me the hoodie. What are you sending me, my delicious not-old-enough-to-drink hunk? How about some Hot Tamales? Those thingies are goooooood.

Posted by: Sofía at September 12, 2008 7:22 PM

I don't know who Dick Van Patten is

Dude! That's King Roland from Spaceballs, The Abbot from Robin Hood: Men In Tights, Dr. Wentworth form High Anxiety...and supposedly he was in a show called Eight Is Enough, but I never saw that, it being before my time. What's weird, AM, is that we share the same initials. And there's nothing wrong with weird!

Sophia, which state has declared you insane? Cuz for some, it takes one to know one, see what I mean?

Posted by: lordhelmet at September 12, 2008 7:30 PM

Barbados,

You sent chills down my spine with your great post regarding the legendary, not-of-this-earth, sheer magnificence that is --- the Shatner.

And dig this, ya soon-to-be outrageously jealous limp dick: I MET THE MAN, shook his hand after a dinner theater performance about 2 yrs before the 1st 'Trek' movie, and it was a kind of religious experience, a moment I'll treasure until my rapidly-approaching demise.

(I also met Adam West in his Batman costume at a car show in Tennessee- that encounter was a fuckin' letdown...)

I refuse to argue with ANY human being who digs both Briscoe County Jr. and the entire William Shatner oeuvre, so

I'm toasting you this very moment, my friend, with a drink from my 'Chillable Red' Franzia box that I previously hadn't known about until Julie tipped me on to it- to think I've been buying wine in actual bottles all this time when I now save a bundle on the boxes- this gal is a hot, highly humorous and exciting-to-read commenter who I'd hit on if I weren't so.. well, too many reasons to list here.

But I'm sorry, lost my point there, which was that Bill Shatner is an engaging, sometimes clueless, very funny man in the right situation, and his good-sport mentality in parodying his own over-inflated ego makes him a true survivor, actor-wise, that is. Check out 'Captain Quirk', a hilarious, understandably unauthorized biography from about a decade back.

As for his BotNS appearances, yeah, they were pretty awesome, too, but he was probably the 2nd most narcissistic asshole aside from Robert Conrad. Still couldn't help but idolize him, though.

Didn't mean to waste so much space, just had to jump on the Shatner thing after Barbados's comment.

Happy weekend to all

Posted by: TMax at September 12, 2008 8:16 PM

Seriously folks,
I have only two words that put fear in the heart of every celebrity battle no talent hack:
Bea Arthur!
Thank you for being a friend, bitch!

Posted by: Chuck at September 12, 2008 8:20 PM

Posted by: TMax at September 12, 2008 8:16 PM


Yeah...you have yourself a good weekend too, and you'll forgive me if I remain aloof and cold. The years of toiling in this internet shithole, this nest of intrigue and rancid bodily fluid and smelly VAGINAS...has hardened me.
Taught me never to lower my guard, 'cause that's how you end up getting hit on the back of the head with a lead pipe, bound and ball gagged on a tramp freighter on its way to Shanghai..I..I'm never going through that... again.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at September 12, 2008 8:38 PM

lordhelmet whatever you dig or don't dig about Patten, please try and remember the comment upon the birth of the one-eyed omnipotent one:

"... Fer all you know, "God" is a giant blue octopus who digs reruns of Eight Is Enough...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at September 12, 2008 9:02 PM

And then he starts talking about TV shows and actors and you have NO IDEA what he's talking about

Now you see why Stuntman Mike made us nod and ruefully chuckle in pained recognition (along with Eli Roth's jokes going over the rest of the audience's heads).

I'm never the cool guy at the bar to start with though. But it's good to have goals.

Posted by: Jay at September 12, 2008 9:05 PM

Jeebus, I can remember seeing color TV for the first time ...

AvB, I'll be at the bar, lubricating my lips.

Posted by: bucdaddy at September 12, 2008 9:27 PM

BSlim,

So we finally get an explanation for your heretofore inexplicable absence.

Worry not, friend (I use that "friend" word on people I hate more often than on an actual friend), your being cold and aloof are all we expect from you.

I'm sure we'll find common ground to vehemently disagree with each other on in the future.

Regardless, I'm glad you're back, you misogynistic pig, wearing lipstick when no one can see you (don't bother asking how I found that out). We all have our perversions, and I'll try to refrain from writing about more of yours until you get settled back in comfortably.

Rest up, you hardened freight-captive. I'll forego the obvious same-sex rape jokes we all so much enjoy & let the others come up with their own...

Because I'm sensitive that way.

Posted by: TMax at September 12, 2008 9:30 PM

Ancient and graying I may be, but my tongue is young and strong: It can lift a 110-pound woman off a mattress.

Can I get a witness, AvB?

Posted by: bucdaddy at September 12, 2008 9:41 PM

(...)this nest of intrigue and rancid bodily fluid and smelly VAGINAS...has hardened me.
Posted by: BarbadoSlim

Aawww... I'm so glad it finally happened for you, BSlim. I gotta admit, though, I never thought smelly vaginas were what you needed to lift a tent.

Posted by: Sofía at September 12, 2008 9:41 PM

I vote for a "Survivor" style competition with the cast of The OC (which yes I know isn't on the air anymore, I think) versus the cast of Gossip Girl. Actually we can go with any sort of teen drama cast. The cast of One Tree Hill would work well. Hell put them all out there. On separate islands with only a few resources, but with sail/row boats and harpoon guns. They have the option of finding their own resources or sailing on over to another island and taking resources by force. I don't really care if anyone survives at all or not. However the winners will be granted a lifetime contract with the CW for whatever show they want. I think some of the "adults" would fare better than others; I feel like Lori Loughlin has some hidden strength while Shannon Doherty would turn the whole situation scarily Lord of the Flies. Mostly I keep chuckling over a mental picture of Chad Michael Murray trying to figure out a sailboat and getting knocked off the boat where he is eaten by sharks. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Posted by: libraryliz at September 12, 2008 11:25 PM

Ancient and graying I may be, but my tongue is young and strong: It can lift a 110-pound woman off a mattress.

Can I get a witness, AvB?

Posted by: bucdaddy

Damn straight, old man! Meee-yow!

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at September 13, 2008 12:09 AM

whatever you dig or don't dig about Patten

Skittimus, I have nothing but respect for the great one-eyed blue octopus and his favoured one, Van Patten. I never saw the show he digs, and would never curry his disfavour by dissing Van Patten. Smite me not with thine inky darkness, O great octopus!

Posted by: lordhelmet at September 13, 2008 2:19 AM

Although I now live on these fair shores (well, in Philly anyway), I lived many years in that dark dark land known as

1980's Swiss Television. It was bad. We had one channel, the rest were borrowed from the French, Germans, Austrians, Italians. We also got 15 minutes of the BBC everynight (every single night, people, imagine!). This is why I love Roger Ramjet. My alltime favorite show was Club Dorothee, which you can look up. It's horrible.

"They" recently put out a DVD of my most favoritest show as a tot: Les Babibouchettes. What's that? You'd like to see a link? Oh, well, sure.

Enjoy, and be glad you were born in large countries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrAP98j4Jv0

Posted by: Estelle at September 13, 2008 11:04 AM

I never saw the show he digs, and would never curry his disfavour by dissing Van Patten.

You can mock Timothy Van Patten and his rockin custom van all you want though.

Posted by: Jay at September 13, 2008 12:03 PM

I am totally moving to Switzerland, Estelle. Or at least buying that DVD.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at September 13, 2008 12:25 PM

Brian is Jewish.

Correct Paddy. You win a cookie

Posted by: Brian at September 13, 2008 9:06 PM

I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread, but I have to comment. If 41 is long in the tooth for a Pajiban, then I am positively ancient. I am an RN, and realized recently that I have been nursing longer than some of my co-workers have been alive. Getting old sucks, but it does beat the alternative.

Does anyone remember the "Superstars" competitions? They were athletic competitions where the "superstars" of one sport went up against superstars in another sport. I think baseball players might have climbed ropes, bowlers ran foot-races against golfers,that sort of thing. I mostly remember that race-car drivers did the worst in the contests, and NASCAR did worse than Formula I drivers.

Posted by: rlr260 at September 14, 2008 3:04 PM

This is a weird one for me: I'm old enough to remember ALL the shows from which the 'stars' were drawn (US cultural imperialism - we grew up on this crap in Australia), but I can't remember EVER seeing Battle Of The Network Stars.

While this is probably a good thing, I can't help thinking I've missed a crucial formative experience. *sigh*

Posted by: hell.kelpie at September 14, 2008 11:24 PM

what a bunch of pikers...I remember (actually) when "color tv" was a plastic plate with three bands of color (orange, blue and green) that you clipped over your black and white tv. Scariest thing ever. Until Pinky Lee had a heart attack on live tv, that is.

Posted by: TV hoar at September 15, 2008 9:54 AM

Does anyone remember the "Superstars" competitions? They were athletic competitions where the "superstars" of one sport went up against superstars in another sport. I think baseball players might have climbed ropes, bowlers ran foot-races against golfers,that sort of thing. I mostly remember that race-car drivers did the worst in the contests, and NASCAR did worse than Formula I drivers.


Kyle Rote, Jr. 'Nuff Said.

Posted by: Ed Newman at September 15, 2008 10:42 AM

Dammit, that was hot. Why is my neighborhood bar filled with Miller Lite drinking douchebags in Duke t-shirts (and no, of course they didn't actually GO to Duke) instead of sexy older men who are smart enough to know that conversation is the best aphrodisiac, not to mention basically the only thing that separates us from the animals? Oh wait, cause if it was I'd be out every night getting sick on assorted delicious cocktails and bedding married men. Vive la flirtation!

Posted by: AM at September 15, 2008 2:53 PM