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Beautiful Girls: Boozehound Cinephile / Ted Boynton

Boozehound Cinephile | February 12, 2009 | Comments (37)


Pop Culture Item Consumed: Beautiful Girls, Ted Demme’s rumination on young men facing the prospect of growing up and being not exactly graceful about it, like ducklings struggling across a highway. Beautiful Girls boasts an absolutely loaded cast with the chops to create an incredibly strong dramatic comedy in which the whole is far, far more than the sum of its parts. Everyone involved plays the role he or she was born to play, even actors who are usually incredibly annoying (Rosie O’Donnell alert!). I’ve never seen a more perfectly cast film, with Timothy Hutton, Matt Dillon, Natalie Portman, Uma Thurman, Annabeth Gish, Mira Sorvino, Martha Plimpton, Max Perlich, Michael Rapaport, Rosie O’Donnell, Lauren Holly, David Arquette, and Noah Emmerich, not to mention talented character actors (and three-name wannabe serial killers) Pruitt Taylor Vince (the pharmacist from Mumford) and John Carroll Lynch (Norm from Fargo). Also: Greg Dulli and Afghan Whigs!

Beverage Consumed: The Sidecar, one of the few instances when I can find much use for brandy. Cognac, named for a French town in the region where it originates, is the filet mignon of brandies, and given that the Sidecar is basically all booze, this is not a place to skimp. For the same reason, Triple Sec will work as the mixer, but Cointreau or Grand Marnier is really the way to go. Hennessy is a fine cognac, but there are plenty of good ones, including such well known brands as Courvoisier and Rèmy Martin. The Sidecar is not a Boozehound favorite, but when I’m feeling nostalgic I like the old school, film noir sensation of shaking up a batch of Sidecars and settling into a tenth or twentieth viewing of a trusted favorite film.

To prepare a Sidecar, mix four parts cognac with two parts Cointreau and one part lemon juice, then stir over ice. Garnish with lemon peel, if desired. That’s it. This is one of the easiest “sophisticated” cocktails to make, but proceed with caution — cognac is apparently made from jet fuel and will fuck your shit up. It’s perfectly acceptable to back off the cognac to a one-to-one mix with the Cointreau, which results in a more citrusy, slightly less potent potable. (Many recipes call for this ratio anyway. Pussies.)

Summary of Action: While it is rare that words fail me — my day job depends on their not doing so — it is passing hard to do justice to the exquisite near-perfection of Beautiful Girls. Not only does Demme do magnificent work capturing image and tone, his realization of Scott Rosenberg’s rich, thoughtful screenplay is spot-on in nearly every instance. Rosenberg’s work is nothing short of dazzling, no gimme for the guy who gave us Con Air and Kangaroo Jack. On the other hand, Rosenberg was largely responsible for the adaptation of High Fidelity, not to mention the seriously underrated Things to Do in Denver When Your Dead. As mentioned above, Beautiful Girls benefits from a fortuitous meeting of excellent direction and writing with a perfect cast for the material. Normally reliable actors excel, particularly Hutton’s world-weary turn as a failing musician, and borderline hateable actors turn in career-best performances, with Michael Rapaport and Lauren Holly delivering pitch-perfect takes on their actual everyday personalities, i.e., gratingly annoying and connivingly bitchy, respectively.

Beautiful Girls opens with Willie (Timothy Hutton), a struggling professional piano player working the lounge circuit, heading home for his ten-year high school reunion in Knights Ridge, a small town in snowy rural Massachusetts. Once Willie gets home, he meets up with his perpetually adolescent buddies, each of whom represents a certain narrative archetype: Tommy (Matt Dillon), the former sports hero still coasting on high school glories; Paul (Michael Rapaport), “the alcoholic high school buddy shit-for-brains,” as Natalie Portman so charmingly puts it; and Mo (Noah Emmerich), the solid family guy who was the first one to figure out what it actually means to be a man. (Hint: Take care of your responsibilities, live for — but don’t hang around waiting for — the profound, and let loose when the chance comes along.)

Chief among the film’s virtues is its capturing of How Guys Talk, and Beautiful Girls begins and ends with the keenly self-conscious relationship among four high school friends who have outgrown their adolescent trappings without leaving them completely behind, like gangly ten-month Lab pups whose oversized paws are like snowshoes on their gawky bodies. Beginning with the initial awkwardness of Hutton’s interactions with his estranged friends, followed by their quick return to their old habitual friendly sparring and verbal shorthand, Beautiful Girls deletes the “ums” and “y’knows,” but it delivers the substance, from the most banal and immature (Scale of Ten ratings of women’s face-body-personality scores) to the more profound realization that their emotional procrastination amounts to waiting for “something beautiful.”

Hutton is the heart and soul of the film, with his sleepy, puzzled eyes and laconically sardonic demeanor. It’s the occasional outing like this one that makes me wonder what happened to the guy from Ordinary People and The Falcon and the Snowman. At this point in his career, Hutton should be competing with Tom Hanks for major dramatic roles, and it’s never been clear what happened beyond a few poor project selections. Dillon makes a major impression with less screen time, and it’s hard to imagine anyone else as the fading tough guy who traded high school glory for a blue collar existence, ploughing driveways and ploughing the high school sweetheart who married someone else. Noah Emmerich, a substantially underused character actor, nicely grounds the vibrating instability of the others, and his gentle outlook and sweet relationship with his mousy wife provide context for some of the film’s best moments. Even Michael Rapaport comes off pretty well, despite the short shelf life of his post-True Romance credibility.

Beautiful Girls tends to be viewed as a guys’ picture, and that’s pretty fair if the meaning is that the film doesn’t provide much in the way of fully realized female characters. With the exception of Portman, however, the movie isn’t about those characters, though it is about their relationships to some extent. The women fall into somewhat familiar symbolic roles — the long-suffering girlfriend, the vindictive adulterer, the brassy battle ax — though they arrive with their own complex insights into the situation. I’m always a little puzzled by criticism of a film based solely on a lack of deeply developed female roles, as long as the film makes no pretense that it’s an examination of those roles. Such criticisms seem to be misdirected complaints about the lack of analogous films focusing on women, and those complaints are more than fair. It’s one thing, however, to set out to portray a male-female dynamic as a central theme and then short-change the female character with a thin set of clichéd traits; it’s quite another to populate the margins of a narrative with supporting characters and then face complaints when they’re marginalized. It’s certainly unfair that pictures focusing on women’s friendships tend to trade in shallow stereotypes — there seem to be five Sex & the Citys for every Rachel Getting Married — but I don’t expect the men in those films to be much more than sketches. They’re there for context, not to drive the thematic elements.

Without doubt, the plot of Beautiful Girls depends to a great extent on its female characters’ willingness to hang around waiting for the boys to grow up, and there’s a formulaic reliance on the tolerance and patience of women for the hijinks and meandering path to maturity followed by their men. But, I’m sorry to say, that’s my own observation of reality as well. Maybe I love this film so much because it confirms my myopic stereotypes, but by my lights, Beautiful Girls draws in loving detail both the complicated and difficult virtues of female tolerance for the trying job of helping boys become men, as well as the depths of self-abasement that women plumb in trying to find a way to have stable relationships with those same boy-men.

The most flashy of the female roles is probably O’Donnell’s, based almost entirely on her tacked-on rant early in the film about the commercialization of femininity and the consequences of men’s unrealistic expectations formed from “MTV, Playboy, and Madison fucking Avenue.” The scene is abruptly stitched into the film in a way that doesn’t really fit — it comes early in the movie, and there’s no context for why Hutton and Dillon are walking around town with O’Donnell — but the substance of O’Donnell’s angry “big tits/big ass” soliloquy is hard-hitting, penetrating, and hilarious … rendered all the more so by her brusque departure, upon which Dillon and Hutton watch her walk away, remarking, “Nice ass,” followed by, “Nice tits.” (Rapaport’s ersatz complementary rant about his obsession with supermodels is the polar opposite of O’Donnell’s moment not only conceptually but qualitatively, and it’s the one place where the movie comes to a screeching, ugly halt. It’s completely out of place and grinds the proceedings to Full Stop, Please Kill Me, but it passes quickly.)

In contrast to O’Donnell, the less flashy roles played by Thurman, Sorvino, and Holly all have critical points to make, primarily in the bemused, sometimes hopeless way they come to regard the options offered them by the plainly inferior half of the gender equation. Thurman is the corresponding outsider to Hutton’s prodigal son, an out-of-towner who represents the males’ idealized woman: a physically perfect specimen who shoots whiskey, loves baseball, and goes ice-fishing at midnight with Hutton for a soul-baring conversation. Thurman’s role seems like an ironic nod from the writer and director, as she’s so perfect that the boys spend a good portion of the movie making fools of themselves — or making themselves even more foolish — by trying to get in her sights. Sorvino and Holly, on the other hand, serve as more mundane points in a romantic triangle with Dillon — Holly being his high school romance who married a rich guy when Dillon turned into a snow-plough jockey, while Sorvino is the warmer, put-upon current girlfriend who despairs as Dillon continues his dalliance with ice queen Holly.

Then there’s Natalie Portman, deliriously perfect for the role of Hutton’s seriously problematic romantic foil. Central to the theme of Hutton’s slow awakening is his trapped-in-time relationship with his family’s 13-year-old next-door neighbor, Marty (Portman), with whom he experiences a bittersweet spiritual connection while trading barbs and bon mots over the fence. Portman, all coltish charm and precocious analysis, was 15 when the film was shot, and she looks about a foot taller than she did two years earlier in The Professional. It’s intriguing to consider that, building on the strength of her debut major roles in this film and The Professional, Portman may have transitioned from child star to successful adult film actor largely because she played children playing adults in her first two major outings.

With the Portman-Hutton dynamic, we find the slippery divide where the most famous rub about Beautiful Girls arises. The typical comment I have heard from women about Beautiful Girls is something along the lines of “I can’t take a sympathetic view of a 28-year-old man flirting with a 13-year-old girl.” Which misses the point entirely. Hutton isn’t flirting with Portman per se, though her individual specialness is what allows him to open up and examine the brooding uncertainty holding him back in his personal relationships. Hutton is flirting with an idea, an idealization of his own youth and the potential he fears he squandered while waiting for his perfect woman. As Hutton’s character is at pains to point out to his friends, his Portman infatuation is not sexual, not even romantic in a concrete sense; it’s a romantic ideal based on what Portman will become and what Hutton once was. When he sees Portman with her 12-year-old beau, he realizes that he’s envious of the boy — envious of someone being young and full of the possibilities of meeting someone like Portman. Mentally, Portman is far ahead of her years; Hutton’s entire dilemma is caused to a large extent by his insistence on remaining behind his own years. They briefly and tentatively bridge the gap with a tender mutual acknowledgment and a resignation that they are merely passing in the night.

The chemistry of the film — that hoary, ill-defined concept of an ensemble piece just finding its legs — is really what makes it work. Legend has it that director Ted Demme, a nephew of Jonathan Demme, required the core cast to meet in Minneapolis for several weeks before shooting so that they could get used to each other. If true, it was a brilliant move, as the relationships among the cast members are loose and natural. Demme died prematurely in 2002 of a heart attack suffered during a charity basketball game. It’s tempting to wonder what complementary works remained for him to accomplish, but for this cinephile he had already delivered his masterwork, and I’m grateful for that.

How the Pairing Held Up: Any good hooch works with a favorite film, but the edgy punch of cognac, tempered with a cold orangey-lemony bite, was quite enjoyable.

Tastes Like: Two parts hormone-driven male confusion, one part Uma Thurman/Natalie Portman sunny vibrancy, with a dash of lemony O’Donnell (back when that could be a good thing).

Overall Rating: Face: 9.5; body: let’s say 9.5; personality: a solid 10.

Ted Boynton is a dedicated sot who plans to leave his barstool to stalk Whit Stillman, now that someone has found Whit Stillman. Ted also manages to hold down a job and a wife, three hours each per day, whether they need it or not. Readers may scold, hector, admonish or taunt Ted by e-mailing him at thecarygrantrules@hotmail.com.


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Comments

This is my all time favorite movie. I've memorized every line. I quote it on a daily basis. Even as a women, I love it. I think it's perfect.

Posted by: Jackie at February 12, 2009 3:46 PM

Amazing! Just this weekend Beautiful Girls was on cable and I thought this is the perfect review vehicle for Boynton. Next we'll be having our periods together.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 12, 2009 3:48 PM

Like Jackie, I am a lady, and like her, I adore this film.

Posted by: Melodie at February 12, 2009 3:57 PM

""I'm always a little puzzled by criticism of a film based solely on a lack of deeply developed female roles, as long as the film makes no pretense that it's an examination of those roles."

I disagree. I think if you have characters, female or male, with lots of airtime, as in this movie, you have a responsibility to the characters to give them some depth. Anything less is just lazy.

Listing the reasons why I really, really dislike this movie is too exhausting at the moment. I hate this movie most of all because it attempts to be deep and get at greater truths and yet is so profoundly conventional in its view of women.

And this:
"When he sees Portman with her 12-year-old beau, he realizes that he's envious of the boy -- envious of someone being young and full of the possibilities of meeting someone like Portman."

You mean his *fantasy* of what Portman is and will be like as an adult. Not to mention that if Hutton's character had met her somewhere along the way, he probably would've found something to be dissatisfied with so that he can wonder what it would've been like to be with somebody else. Every female in this film is solely a male projection which is, again, just lazy.

See. Now you've exhausted me!

Posted by: samantha t at February 12, 2009 4:05 PM

Well done, sir. I saw this in the theater when it came out and was just dazzled. There is a reason that it's one of my favorite films (I own it on both VHS and DVD, as well as the soundtrack) but I could never put it into words, and now you have. It's bittersweet and warm and lonely and friendly; it so much that I can't wrap my words around it. I think that this is where my crush on Natalie Portman began, and I've never tired of the banter that comes so naturally in the flick, both between Willie and Marty and Willie C and his friends. Who could ever tire of Matt Dillon accusing Michael Rappaport of "eatin' retard sandwiches again" or Portman's elegant description of Annabeth Gish as "a honey-limbed lovely?"

Thanks, TB. I've had to defend this movie so much in the last thirteen years or so, and it's refreshing to see that someone gets it.

The fact that the Afghan Whigs play the bar scene is just gravy. Final bit of trivia: "Beautiful Girl" by Matt Droge was in the running for my wedding song, back when I was planning a wedding circa 2003. (It didn't work out.)

Posted by: Nicole at February 12, 2009 4:14 PM

The Afghan Whigs used to play Uncle Pleasant's all the time...what good party times. *sigh*

Posted by: Mrs. Adams at February 12, 2009 4:28 PM

God I love this movie, and I even love Natalie Portman's adolescent manic pixie dreamgirl. But I especially love the Afghan Whigs playing the bar scene. Dulli in those days was a panty melter, and Be For Real and Can't Get Enough of Your Love are in constant rotation on my iPod even today. Great stuff.

And I'm kind of enjoying Hutton on Leverage. Am I the only one?

Posted by: MG at February 12, 2009 4:52 PM

I freaking love this movie. I've always identified with the Uma Thurman character (not 'cause I'm hot). I, too, love to drink whisky, enjoying watching/playing basketball, etc.

Question: why is it that we are required to have Gender Specific Parties? I'm always made fun of by my various girl friends because I refuse to go to (what I call) Vagina Parties. Is it because my friends have always been guys? Is it because I hate the activities at these parties? They think it's because I'm a in co-dependent relationship with The Dude.

Sorry ladies, I'd much rather hang out with these 4 guys, drinking and fighting, than watching Sex & The City drinking cosmos like a bunch of shitheads.

Posted by: Estelle at February 12, 2009 5:01 PM

And I'm kind of enjoying Hutton on Leverage. Am I the only one?

*raises hand* Nope. I really like it, except for the supremely annoying actress/love interest. Nate is way cooler without Sophie.

"Be For Real" just makes me sigh longingly.

Posted by: Nicole at February 12, 2009 5:03 PM

Finally, someone else who has a jones for a movie that's way, way underappreciated. You nailed it.

Posted by: pb at February 12, 2009 5:04 PM

Beautiful review of a beautiful (and totally under-appreciated) movie. Among all of its many fine attributes, I think Natalie Portman's character is really delightful, and it also features, briefly, the Bryant-Lake Bowl in Uptown in Minneapolis, which is a really great find in a really great city.

Posted by: ami at February 12, 2009 5:27 PM

Next we'll be having our periods together.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 12, 2009 3:48 PM

Oh Paddy, you know I've already gone through the change. tb

Posted by: ted boynton at February 12, 2009 8:04 PM

I love this movie, and I agree with you on all points - except for Rapaport and in particular your critique of his monologue.

I think he's hilarious, and - yes - his character is completely out of his gourd. The speech is notable because it's a perfect representation of just how skewed the male views of the physical attractiveness of women have become in our society. As you point out, it's the diametric opposite of O'Donnell's rant, and thus it is right at home in this movie to further justify her words.

Just because you find his attitudes objectionable does not make him any less critical to the gestalt of the film. The fact that he gets his pseudo-redemption at the end clearing the ex's driveway might be a small (and even temporary) victory, but it's a victory nonetheless. Furthermore, the fact that his final moment in the film consists of Portman putting him in his place is equally satisfying.

As for the women getting the short shrift in the character development, I agree with you on why that is not a valid critique. But I'd also add that all the actresses in this movie do such a great job with their characters that - even if they don't have genuine, textured depth - they certainly have the credible illusion of it.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at February 12, 2009 8:31 PM

I unabashedly adore this movie and quote it frequently. "Sambuca, Paul? It's 5 o'clock in the morning.....Does that make it too early or too late?" "Romeo and Juliet, the dyslexic version." It is one of the few movies that I can stand Natalie Portman in, much to the chagrin of my Star Wars lovin Mr. Lower. I love the rendition of "Sweet Caroline" in the bar.

Posted by: slower lower at February 12, 2009 10:04 PM

Once again, well done. Exquisite review of an exquisite film.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at February 12, 2009 11:56 PM

amen to all the kudos ... an excellent review in all respects. let me do the hutton/portman math. let's see ... 28 and 13 becomes 33 and 18 in just 5 years . i think i might have waited. you know, one of those " meet you in the top of the empire state building in 5 years" kinda things. a great film ...

Posted by: snake at February 13, 2009 2:16 AM

I haven't seen it in a long time, but what I liked about Natalie Portman's character is that she's the kind of girl who'll call your shit and shake you up, but still likes you. If I may flip the imagery, it's like that line in the live versions of "Mysterious Ways"--She wants you, you don't know why. She sees the man inside the child. Just the other day I was saying here that a woman can't change a man, but she can help with the changes he's gonna have to make sooner or later. Not that that's necessarily a gender role thing, I can only speak from this side, and the best relationships are obviously reciprocally supportive. But there's something great about a girl who'll say "what you're doing is dicking around", because she's right, even if you feel defensive at first, and it's not an insult, it's coaching, it's inspiration. She wants you to use your goddamn potential. They make your life better, and you hope that you can return the favor.

Posted by: Jay at February 13, 2009 8:59 AM

Thank you, samantha t. I spent at least 10 minutes yesterday typing and deleting comments about the various ways this movie bothers me. Then I just felt too tired and gave up. "Every female in this film is solely a male projection which is, again, just lazy." Thank you.

Posted by: AM at February 13, 2009 9:33 AM

One of my all-time favourites.

Portman trying not to cry when she's talking to Hutton is one of the reasons that she will always get a pass from me.

Posted by: missh at February 13, 2009 9:47 AM

Also, let me add that I'm not talking about long suffering romance either. In fact, the amazing women are the ones who'll challenge you in your first conversation. Sometimes it's your only conversation, but you don't forget them, like Jenny in November 1999 at Borders who looked directly at me when she walked in the door and who I ended up talking to about some near and more distant future plans. A female friend came up to me and said "who was that??? You've gotta talk to her again! Why didn't you get her number?" And I said, "No, she told me to have some balls (direct quote) and get outta here! I think she'd be disappointed if she came back and saw I was still hanging around!" Nevertheless, about a month later after I'd moved back to Athens to begin restarting my life my friend called and said Jenny had come back to the store and she'd gotten her phone number on my behalf...but she lost it.

Gone.

I still want to know who she really was, and maybe somehow meet her again, now further along and a bit more like she encouraged me to be.

Posted by: Jay at February 13, 2009 10:07 AM

She wants you to use your goddamn potential. They make your life better, and you hope that you can return the favor.
Posted by: Jay at February 13, 2009 8:59 AM

Normally, I'm not a sloppy seconds kinda' gal, but Jay, can I please have you when Sarina is done? Maybe I'm particularly sensitive today, but this touched me.

TB, wonderful as always. I've resisted watching this movie because I've seen bits and pieces and it didn't grab my attention. But after this, I think I'll add it to the queue. Sounds like it might be worth it.

Posted by: Lainey at February 13, 2009 10:16 AM

As a woman, I don't feel remotely offended by Willie and Marty's relationship. The character of Marty is a perfect foil to Martha Plimpton's character. At barely teenaged, she understands that her relationship with Willie has no future. She accepts his friendship and admiration fully aware that the time, place, and circumstances preclude it going anywhere, something that women twice her age routinely ignore. It doesn't stop her, though, from enjoying his company and conversation without turning it into a ridiculous adolescent crush. I also credit this movie with adding the phrases daddy downer and brother bummer to my lexicon............

Posted by: slower lower at February 13, 2009 11:09 AM

Mr. Boynton, reading your reviews is like music for my eyes and brain- they're practically lyrical. You're my second favorite!

I thought I hadn't seen this movie, but I may have seen parts of it. Well, either way, I'm going to have to watch it soon, so I can read for myself the portrayal of the female characters, since there seems to be a bit of debate on it. Exciting!

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at February 13, 2009 11:32 AM

Beautiful Girls tends to be viewed as a guys' picture

Yeah, I can't say as I particularly liked it when I saw it. What stood out for me most was Rosie O'Donnell's rant about women in men's magazines (and yes, I did find her male friends' reaction funny). And the luminous Natalie Portman.

I'm always a little puzzled by criticism of a film based solely on a lack of deeply developed female roles, as long as the film makes no pretense that it's an examination of those roles.

It's in part because women get such short shrift in movies as it is.

Although I don't use it as my own litmus test, I do often think of the Dykes to Watch Out For movie-watching criteria:
1) It has to have at least two women in it.
2) They have to have a conversation.
3) The conversation has to be about something other than a man.

It amazes me how often movies fail to meet even that low threshold.

Posted by: tamatha at February 13, 2009 1:13 PM

I don't have much to add to the comments that hasn't been said already. I adore this movie, and it and the soundtrack hold a very special place in my heart.

Although you know the appropriate drink to go with this would have been an ice-cold martini.

Posted by: feramones at February 13, 2009 1:57 PM

"Although I don't use it as my own litmus test, I do often think of the Dykes to Watch Out For movie-watching criteria:
1) It has to have at least two women in it.
2) They have to have a conversation.
3) The conversation has to be about something other than a man."

I love that! The thing is, I don't mind movies at all that are just about dudes or only star dudes. For example, "Boiler Room" or "The Godfather."

Posted by: samantha t at February 13, 2009 4:49 PM

I have loved this movie for years, even though it's considered a guy movie. I always try to convince people to watch it with me, but for some reason they always refuse when they hear Michael Rapaport is in it. Oh well, now I'm excited to watch it again with the addition of an iced cold sidecar.

Posted by: Lauren C at February 13, 2009 6:49 PM

You can order a sidecar at the Ritz in Paris that will cost you US$1200.00.

I

Posted by: Jayne at February 13, 2009 10:49 PM

The typical comment I have heard from women about Beautiful Girls is something along the lines of "I can't take a sympathetic view of a 28-year-old man flirting with a 13-year-old girl." Which misses the point entirely. Hutton isn't flirting with Portman per se, ...Hutton is flirting with an idea, an idealization of his own youth...

Yeah, but in flirting with the idea of his youth blah blah blah, he's flirting with a 13 year old girl. That's like excusing actual pedophiles for raping kids because they are locked in their own psychotic fantasy of retarded maturation and neurotic identification with the child they're raping. Extreme example, yes, but the fact that a creepy old guy flirts with a teenager because he regrets his lost youth doesn't negate the fact that he's flirting with a teenager. The Portman character is not less-flirted-with because the old dude is not sexually attracted to her per se.

Perhaps the women who you know who object to it understand that a man's intentions when he is creepy towards her (/sexually harasses her/rapes her/whatever) matter less than the resulting creepiness (/sexual harassment/rape/whatever). And even if the movie excuses it--actually, the fact that the movie excuses it makes it worse, because it naturalizes and makes irrelevant the impact the creepiness has (would have) on the 13 year old girl in question.

And the reason I object to movies with sketchy women (if they're about men) is that movies like that once again put men at the center of the film, when men are always at the Center of the Universe. It's just the visual representation (and perpetuation) of sexist stereotypes already in place--men are the ones with the plot, women wait around for the men and are their corollaries.

And I disagree that men in movies about women are sketchy--in fact, I'd argue that in Sex and the City, for example, the male characters are as--possibly MORE--fully formed than the cartoon-like female characters. And that's basically always the case, so it gets old really fucking fast to see men sideline women in movies. But maybe we womenfolk are just sensitive because it happens to us in real life all the time.

Posted by: Alie at February 15, 2009 2:01 AM

But there's something great about a girl who'll say "what you're doing is dicking around", because she's right, even if you feel defensive at first, and it's not an insult, it's coaching, it's inspiration. She wants you to use your goddamn potential. They make your life better, and you hope that you can return the favor.

Posted by: Jay at February 13, 2009 8:59 AM

Jay, you can be a poet when the fancy strikes you. Beautiful insight. You verbalized very nicely the basis for the women I've found attractive my entire life. Now if only I hadn't actually been a dick for so goddam much of it...

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 15, 2009 11:46 AM

You can order a sidecar at the Ritz in Paris that will cost you US$1200.00.

I

Posted by: Jayne at February 13, 2009 10:49 PM

You what?!? You crave one incessantly? You had one and it was all that? You had one and you wish you had your money back?

So what, they make it with Louis Treize? I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out how they would justify the $1200 price, much less how you would get Chez to spring for it...

Posted by: Che Grovera at February 15, 2009 11:52 AM

Fantastic analysis worthy of this beautiful, perfect film. As a lady who adores Beautiful Girls, it was a pleasure to read such a loving tribute to the movie.

Your description of the symbolic-yet-important roles that the women play in it is spot. on. I found myself actually thinking, 'YES!' at various points while reading this, from agreeing with the pitch-perfect casting to bit about the guys having outgrown their adolescent trappings.

I can't recommend this movie highly enough. Thanks for articulating everything I think about it in a much clearer way than I can.

Posted by: K at February 15, 2009 6:03 PM

I really miss Ted Demme. Life is a really underrated movie.

Posted by: Eep at February 16, 2009 6:53 PM

"But there's something great about a girl who'll say "what you're doing is dicking around", because she's right, even if you feel defensive at first, and it's not an insult, it's coaching, it's inspiration. She wants you to use your goddamn potential. They make your life better, and you hope that you can return the favor."

Provided, of course, said girl is young, pretty, and gives you her opinion in a provocative or coquettish way. The 40-something female supervisor at work who does the same via a frank performance review is, conversely, a bitch or ball-buster.

Posted by: samantha t at February 16, 2009 8:52 PM

young, pretty, and gives you her opinion in a provocative or coquettish way.

Weeeeell, no. I'm not talking about the workplace to begin with, nor about flirtation, but rather personal exchanges. My best friend busts my balls if she feels she needs to, but she's not seductive about it. Besides, there's ways to call people on their shit without being a villain if there's already a respectful, supportive relationship. That's what friends do, that's their privilege, and sometimes their job. You can take some harsh truth from someone you know is on your side, whatever the relationship or ages are (or you should be able to anyway). I've worked with older women for a long time and still do. Even if I'm technically a "superior" I'm certainly not gonna ignore their wisdom or suggestions, and they know I'm open to it, and that I want give them any help they need from me. I don't mind my boss telling me she thinks something is dubious because I know she's my ally. It'd be her job, literally, to tell me if I was being a shitty employee when my annual review came up, but, again, that's clearly not the situation I was talking about. Still, thanks for....projecting, I guess.

Posted by: Jay at February 17, 2009 9:51 AM

To be fair, Jay, you did say "girl" instead of "woman." Indicating that it only works with someone who's under 18.

Still, thanks for.... ignoring valid points made while deconstructing the hidden biases apparent in your language use.

Posted by: Alie at February 17, 2009 10:03 AM

Now it's semantics? Oh my god, I used "girl" in that one sentence (Ladies, you're on notice and aren't allowed to call anyone "boy" anymore. Hey, fair's fair). That totally changes the meaning of everything I said before and after it and I'm clearly not trying to give anyone any credit, compliments, praise, respect or love because someone'd probably try to turn it against me.

It's true, though, I only take advice from jailbait.


I didn't see any deconstruction going on though, and my point was that my previous point had been entirely missed.

Posted by: Jay at February 17, 2009 10:30 AM