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Redemption: The Myth of Pet Overpopulation and the No Kill Revolution by Nathan J. Winograd / Beth Flor

Book Reviews | February 13, 2008 | Comments (88)


Before I read this book, I understood the plight. I volunteered with rescues. I donated money. I adopted my dogs. I got it. But making my way through Redemption, Nathan J. Winograd made me realize just how in the dark I was about animal welfare in this country. This is the book that the ASPCA, PETA and the Humane Society don’t want you to read. And it is this distinction that makes it one of the most important books you’ll read this year, assuming that you even remotely feel the warm-fuzzies when looking at the face of a puppy or kitten.

Redemption begins as a history of the ASPCA, when Henry Bergh founded the society in New York City in 1866 after witnessing a peasant beating a donkey in Russia. For the rest of his life, Bergh remained a champion of animals in NYC, demanding progress and spurning corrupt city funding. Bergh’s lifetime was both the inception and golden age of the ASPCA; after his death, the society took a turn for the worse and never quite made its way back. Winograd documents this decline by detailing the many ways “animal welfare” organizations in this country have failed over the years, including high rates of killing, callousness and implementation of the same policies and procedures that have failed in the past and will continue to fail as long as they are used. This criticism, however, is only as good as the offered alternative, which Winograd presents in a chapter on the rise of the San Francisco SPCA.

In 1994, San Francisco, a bustling city and unlikely setting for low-kill success, became the first city in the U.S. to end the killing of healthy homeless dogs and cats in shelters, thanks to the work of an innovative and dedicated shelter director. The backlash, however, was immediate: The success of the shelter infuriated the ASPCA and other organizations that had long ago resigned themselves to the fact that nothing could be done to help the shelter situation and pet overpopulation in this country. Instead of helping spread word of the No Kill revolution, the most powerful and vocal animal organizations vilified and discredited the movement. Winograd suggests many reasons for the anger toward the movement, such as a perceived threat to the credibility of the heads of these organizations, guilt for having needlessly killed legions of dogs and cats in the past, or, most disturbing, the possibility that they simply didn’t care enough about the animals.

Perhaps the biggest offender Winograd mentions is PETA, not for quantity of animals killed, but for sheer hypocrisy. PETA, the most vocal dissenter of animal slaughter, killed nearly 2,000 dogs and cats in its few shelters in 2005, over 90% of those that it “rescued.” Winograd suggests that a shelter doing all it can to spare lives can save 90%-95% of animals it sees (the 5%-10% loss accounts for irremediably suffering or hopelessly ill animals, or vicious dogs with a poor prognosis for rehabilitation). The organization responsible for dressing women in only underwear, earmuffs and paint in frigid Times Square to protest M&Ms was saving the inverse percentage. While 2,000 animals pales in comparison to the kill rates of most shelters in this country, it obviously raises the question: How exactly does PETA determine which animals deserve to die and which don’t?

One of Winograd’s most interesting points lays in the determination of accountability. Individual shelters and animal organizations have long criticized the irresponsible pet owner and careless public as the primary force behind pet overpopulation and subsequent shelter killing. Winograd asserts that these accusations must stop. While it’s true that there are irresponsible people out there, shelters need to be more introspective about shortcomings. By adopting the No Kill paradigm and simply refusing to kill the animals in their care, shelters can — and should — eliminate the “need” for killing.

Winograd, who in 2004 started the No Kill Advocacy Center, and tours the country helping agencies and municipalities reduce rates of shelter killing, gives a very clear No Kill blueprint in Redemption (and for those slower in picking up the message, Appendix II is handily titled “A No Kill Blueprint for Shelters”). This blueprint involves the implementation of a compassionate and capable shelter director, high volume/low cost spay and neuter services, a close relationship with rescue groups, a volunteer and foster care program, comprehensive adoption programs, feral cat TNR (Trap-Neuter-Return), medical and behavior rehabilitation and strong community involvement and public relations. While this sounds like a tall order, he shows through example how implementation can drastically reduce deaths in under a year, and in time, achieve No Kill success.

In writing this review, I realize that I’m at great risk of sounding preachy, which is one of my major criticisms to Winograd’s text. However, as an animal lover, I know that it is impossible to separate from one’s anger and enthusiasm when writing about such a topic. As far as criticisms go, it seems fickle to mention editing issues or the fact that, while it was lambasted throughout the text, the ASPCA is given slight reprieve in the form of a footnote in the afterword. These criticisms make Winograd’s message no less important. He is a visionary intent on creating a No Kill nation, and he doesn’t care what powerful organizations he crosses in the process. You have to respect a man like that.

Beth Flor lives in a house near Philly where dogs outnumber people by one. She often signs off, “Help control the pet population. Have your pet spayed or neutered.”


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Shit, that is one terrifying picture. The wide eyes just makes it worse.

Posted by: Brie at February 13, 2008 1:17 PM

Excellent review, and I now know what my veterinarian wife is getting for her birthday!

And Philly is indeed rough in the doggie department. In addition to having serious animal overpopulation problems, the Animal Control people are absolute nightmares, the shelters are like gulags, and much of the population is woefully uninformed about domestic animal issues. It's kind of sad.

Posted by: TK at February 13, 2008 1:18 PM

Having worked in non-profit animal communities in a previous life, I have come to the conclusion (reluctantly) that No Kill is realistic and feasible, only if you've got the $$ and community involvement/support to implement it. I have the utmost respect and regard for people that go to work, day in and day out, to put to sleep the discarded/unwanted animals of our communities. It's a heartbreaking job and not really one I feel comfortable criticizing, til I've been in their shoes.

Posted by: Be Adequite! at February 13, 2008 1:19 PM

Shit, that is one terrifying picture.

It's an old National Lampoon magazine cover from the 70s, conceived by Michael O'Donohugh, who was a twisted comic genius:

http://www.marksverylarge.com/images/7301cover_s.jpg

It's been copied and parodied many, many times in many different contexts since then.

Posted by: Jerce at February 13, 2008 1:25 PM

This is one of those books that sounds like it's important, but at the same time, I don't want to know about. I have a hard enough time dealing with the anxiety over my own four rescue "kids" (Your house will burn down while you're at work! Someone will break a window and they'll get out and get hit by a car! Something else inexplicable and totally random and incredibly unlikely will happen!), and I know enough about animal welfare in this country to know it isn't in great shape, or well-funded, or well-organized, but for now, that's about all I need to know. I donate what I can, and I help different rescue organizations when I can, but in this instance, as Willow said, I prefer a blurry watercolor. In-your-face details would render me incapable of functioning; I'd be huddled on a closet floor for the rest of my life.

Posted by: llism at February 13, 2008 1:29 PM

I have never agreed with anything that PETA does, simply because they are valueing animals over humans, which is preposterous and quite hypocritical. How many of the homes, that these self-righteous fools live in, have displaced the natural habitat of their supposed charges? I do love my dog and would do everything I could to help him. However, in good conscience, I could not save him and leave a human to die. Perhaps that is wrong and cold-blooded, but c'est la vie.

On the other hand, if I saw that same human bastard beating any sort of animal, I would have no problem knocking the son-of-a-bitch out. Even if you don't believe in what the Bible says, you have to at least admire the ideals it espouses and one of them is the dominion given to man over animal. Providentially speaking, we are entrusted with the care of the lesser species. And simply because I note all other forms of life as lesser, that does not mean that they are beneath our purview. They are to be treated with respect and cared for in a humane manner. Dominion does extend in many directions and one of them involves the eating of certain animals. Done in a humane fashion, yes it is certainly not pleasant for the animal, but I don't plan on starving or radically altering my diet because I feel guilty in exerting my divine right. Anytime that a movie dealing with the slaughter of animals is reviewed, someone comes out of the woodwork and blasts the meat industry or pork industries, or whatever. I always find it in myself to defend my carnivorous ways and seeing that I work for one of the largest beef packing plants in the U.S., I feel qualified to set the record straight as far as I am capable. I can only give my perspective and my experiences in only a single location, but I feel comfortable in extending a blanket over the rest of our facilities as they are "supposedly" held to the same high standards.

But now that I have wandered into territory that is only tangentially related, I look upon the dazed crowd and raise my fist high...San Dimas High School Football Rulez!!!

Posted by: ScarletKnight at February 13, 2008 1:31 PM

Thanks for the review and getting the message out there. But I don't think it's a book I can read. Give me human suffering all day, but just one injured kitten makes me all weepy.

Posted by: wsapnin at February 13, 2008 1:34 PM

Just ordered this from Amazon. The San Francisco SPCA is indeed a wonderful organization and a model for humane societies everywhere. Despite the ill-informed bad press they occasionally receive for running the so-called Taj Mahal of pet shelters, they are highly regarded overall and one of the most effective non-profits in the Bay Area at achieving their mission. My favorite was when the mooks at the SF Chronicle went after them, tut-tutting at how posh the accommodations were and whining that the homeless in SF weren't treated as favorably as stray dogs.

(Beyond my internal reaction of "so?" there was also the typical know-nothing lack of context or research, e.g., SPCA is a private non-profit that has no civic responsibility outside its self-determined mission. It receives no government funding. The San Francisco Chronicle: We try every day not to be the worst newspaper in the United States! And sometimes we succeeed!)

I used to do some pro bono work for the SF SPCA when I knew one of the officers there, and almost invariably the employees I met were well-informed, competent, and compassionate (a rare combination in most businesses), despite being paid somewhat meager wages. Probably something to do with the satisfaction of doing something as close as possible to "the lord's work," whatever that is.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 13, 2008 1:35 PM

At the risk of alienating everyone... who cares. And I do apologize for offending you, whoever you are.
The plight of dogs and cats is irrelevant when compared to that of human children who live in the same (hell, sometimes worse) conditions than those outlined above.
Granted, I am not a dog lover and I'm told that makes me cold and heartless by all of my dog-loving friends. Sorry. I just don't have that gene. It's babies and children that matter to me. Those faces keep me up at night. Those stories chill me to the bone. Not Mr. Flufferkins the Siamese cat getting put to sleep.

Posted by: courtney at February 13, 2008 1:40 PM

How about I care about both?

San Dimas High School Football Rulez!!!

Awesome, SK.

Posted by: twig at February 13, 2008 1:46 PM

Courtney, believe it or not, it's possible for people to care about both people AND animals. The assumption that those who volunteer or donate to animal shelters don't give a shit about human plight is ridiculous.

And the plight of dogs and cats IS relevant. There is a consistent correlation between abuse of animals and more serious, human-related issues. One is symptomatic of the other.

Posted by: TK at February 13, 2008 1:47 PM

PeTA never fails to baffle me with their hypocrisy. While I am glad that there are organizations making an effort to inform the public about animal welfare, when they resort to tasteless and/or militant actions and use downright hypocritical practices, they screw it all up for the rest of us. Groups like PeTA have made "animal rights activist" into something of a dirty word.
There's a no-kill SPCA in my city, which makes me happy. The news station here frequently features animals that are up for adoption, and they are adopted quickly because of it. It's just a shame that people are still ignorant enough to buy animals from pet stores supplied by puppy mills, because there are so many opportunities to adopt from rescue programs and animal shelters.

Posted by: Lannie at February 13, 2008 1:49 PM

After all, that's what PETA's problem is....they only care about the one (animals), and not both. The way you treat others is an indication of the type of person you are...and it doesn't matter that you're treating a dog or a child badly, they're both helpless in the face of your presumed power over them.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at February 13, 2008 1:50 PM

There was a great episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit that exposed PETA's hypocrisy. I think second season.

Posted by: Bucko at February 13, 2008 1:59 PM

I have never agreed with anything that PETA does, simply because they are valueing animals over humans, which is preposterous and quite hypocritical. * * * I do love my dog and would do everything I could to help him. However, in good conscience, I could not save him and leave a human to die.

It's a moral decision each person would have to make for himself, and we part ways here to some degree. I hope I don't have to find out what I would do if confronted with this situation, but I surely would not want to be the other human in that triangle. I'm at a loss for any meaningful authority -- Bible? No thanks -- dictating to me that a beloved house pet that has given pleasure and committed no wrongs is automatically less valuable than a person who, for all I know, could be pedophile or serial killer. Fuck, a serial double-parker would probably be enough for me to shove the dog in the car and get going.

Providentially speaking, we are entrusted with the care of the lesser species.

Yes, we have a stewardship, and it carries with it certain privileges and responsibilities. As a carnivore, I haven't figured out the ins and outs of exactly how that squares with my elevation of some animals to at least the equal of humans. I suspect that my observations of human behavior over the years resulted in a radical de-elevation of the assumed value of the average human life. Mostly what I see people say and do results in a voluntary choice on their part to be lower in value than a dog. I didn't make 'em that way, and I'm sure not getting third degree burns for some likely jackass when I can save my Wookiees.

I've certainly seen facile preaching (including comments at Pajiba) like "There's no good reason to eat meat," which is code for "I've made a moral decision that fits with my life, and even though I didn't consult with you, I'm now an authority to insist that you're immoral for not adopting the same position." Eat a dick, you self-indulgent, hemp-sandaled, smelly hippie.

but I don't plan on starving or radically altering my diet because I feel guilty in exerting my divine right

Easy there, Jesus.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 13, 2008 2:00 PM

I really want to read this book. Great review. I somewhat disagree with the treatment of animal welfare organizations here. Granted, I am not employed by one, and not overly involved in the politics of any of them, but I am an active volunteer and really interested in this issue. I think the No Kill movement is a very positive thing, and if animal rights organizations start to move in that direction, it would be fantastic. However, I think it is important not to underestimate the good work that these societies do. They're doing something to address the problem, and while animal death is always going to be sad, a humane death is better than one resulting from starvation, mistreatment or disease. I do agree with the idea that if these deaths can be avoided, they should be. That would be ideal. But if that is not possible, I think a humane death should not necessarily be seen as an evil thing. It isn't what we would ultimately want to be happening, but, for now anyway, the reality is that funding and commitment to No Kill policies are seriously lacking. Re People v. Animals: Yes, care for both. No, I don't think animals are the equivalent of people. That's why I'd never support euthanasia but support humane animal death when necessary. That's why I eat meat but am not a cannibal. It is clear - to me, anyway - that human life should be valued above animal life. But I believe that mankind has been charged with stewardship over this world - which includes caring for our fellow man as well as animals. Kindness should carry over to all living things. I will say that I volunteer for a variety of organizations, most of which handle human welfare issues, and one of which deals with animal rights. I consider the former to be kind of a duty, the latter to be something I do for my own well-being. I just dig hanging out with animals (and don't even mind cleaning out cages - too much).

Posted by: tt_marie at February 13, 2008 2:02 PM

I don't like animals. At all. I was forced to live with a mean-tempered cat for many years. When people refer to their animals as their "children", it gets me sick to my stomach. When I hear the people on here talking about how they can handle violence of any kind of the screen, but kill one puppy and they are horrified, I kind of feel my left eye start to twitch. And yet...

Animals don't deserve to be treated poorly, just because they're not humans. It's stupid to argue over which is worth more, human life or animal life, because that's entirely against the point. That's what makes this SF SPCA sound so admirable. They're not trying to make judgments, they're just trying the best they can to keep animals alive. They aren't getting naked, encasing themselves in saran wrap and raiding Jell-O because its made of cow hooves. They're quietly doing all they can. You can't change everything overnight. You can't make the plight of the homeless or poverty-stricken children better by taking funding away from everyone. You can just do whatever it is you are able to do to make things better.

A stray cat had been hanging around our apartment complex. It had an eye-infection, and it was white cat, we called it Pizza Kitty. It didn't have tags or anything, so we couldn't identify it. And our apartment isn't suitable for taking in a cat. So we did what we could. We cracked open a can of tuna, and fed the cat. From the way he wolfed down the food, we knew he hadn't been eating in a while. The cat hasn't been around. Whether it was taken in by someone who could care for it, whether it died, I can't say. But all I know is, it got a full meal before going where it was.

You do what you can.

Posted by: insertclevernamehere at February 13, 2008 2:02 PM

Hmmmm, socalled, I think I might be the self-indulgent, hemp-sandaled, smelly hippie. I took my monthly shower this morning and smell like lotus blossums and enlightenment.

Posted by: megbon at February 13, 2008 2:03 PM

Good to know I'm not the only one that hates PETA and it's hypocrisy. Of course, what got me pissed at them is their affiliation with the ALF and other whack jobs that light bombs at Medical Research facilities that do testing on animals.

It's a shame to see so many brought into PETA's madness and not really realize what they're supporting, but I think I'm attempting to hijack the conversation.

Great review of what sounds like a interesting book and I look forward to more by you, Ms. Flor.

Posted by: Jim at February 13, 2008 2:05 PM

insertclevernamehere, I was all set to rail against you, and then... and then you turned that into one of the most eloquent comments I've read in a long time. Thanks.

Posted by: TK at February 13, 2008 2:11 PM

I suspect that my observations of human behavior over the years resulted in a radical de-elevation of the assumed value of the average human life.

Hear hear!

Posted by: llism at February 13, 2008 2:12 PM

"Mostly what I see people say and do results in a voluntary choice on their part to be lower in value than a dog."

Hm. Because there are no vicious animals out there? My hometown just passed stricter animal laws because a pit bull bit off a little neighbor kids' face - for no reason - without provocation.

You could say that animals are simply the product of their environment - this dog was probably raised to fight. However, couldn't you say the same thing about people?

I usually find your comments hilarious, and I don't know if you meant those above to be funny, socalled, but if you were serious...that's disturbing.

Posted by: tt_marie at February 13, 2008 2:15 PM

That's why I'd never support euthanasia but support humane animal death when necessary.

There are numerous interesting moral quandaries that arise out of this -- I absolutely support voluntary euthanasia for humans with the capacity to decide for themselves or who have something like a living will to deal with the issue, and I think I'm in a relatively small minority there. It seems analagous that, because nature made most animals cling to life no matter what happens, humans sometimes have to step in and do that thinking for them. No Kill is a great goal, but I agree that it's probably not feasible until a larger segment of society decides it's important. It's no accident that San Francisco is where this success story originated -- there's funding and political will to make things like this happen.

megbon, stop by for lunch and I'll have a sniff. I got nothing against good-smelling hippie chicks, I just don't seek much preaching these days.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 13, 2008 2:19 PM

The only thing I buy at pet stores are fish.
all of our cats have been barn cats and we get them from shelters or adoption agencies, and thats the only way I would ever adopt an animal, and my cat is the best
The only thing I would say is at some shelters adopting an animal is harder than world domination. The qualifications to adopt are almost to the extreme.
I heard a story about a couple who wanted to adopt an adorable dog, who happened to be elderly and only have 3 legs. But the shelter wouldn't let them have him because their (large) yard wasn't fenced in. did they think the dog was going to run away? the dog couldn't run at all!

Posted by: Bethy at February 13, 2008 2:20 PM

Beautifully expressed, socalled and insertclevernamehere

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at February 13, 2008 2:22 PM

Bethy - I've got a 3-legged dog, and you would be AMAZED at how fast she is. Seriously. Dogs with missing legs adapt remarkably well.

And shelters have such exacting standards because in the past, the rate of returned animals was depressingly high. People would come in, get the cute puppy or kitty, and then realize they didn't have the means, either financially, domestically or emotionally, to take care of the pet, and return it. And with that return is the increased likelihood that the animal gets put down. So shelters have had to increase the number of hoops you jump through to ensure that the adopter is truly capable and willing of taking care of the adoptee and give it a good life.

Posted by: TK at February 13, 2008 2:26 PM

You could say that animals are simply the product of their environment - this dog was probably raised to fight. However, couldn't you say the same thing about people?

You could say that, but that's philosophically pretty far away from the idea of free will. Do you believe humans make voluntary choices? 99% of dog behaviorists would say that dogs don't deliberate about attacking a human -- it comes entirely from training or fear. But part of our stewardship means sometimes deciding that a dog is too dangerous to live.

My issue is that people do get to make deliberate choices, and my anecdotal evidence is that more and more frequently, they make bad choices. Can they claim moral superiority or greater value than a shovel, much less a dog?

That guy who endangers my life in traffic, then gives me the finger as he cuts in front of the next person? I value his life in the sense that I don't think he deserves to die. I'm sure not going to be the one to kill him. Am I going out of my way to save him? Do I value my dog's life more than his? Yes.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 13, 2008 2:28 PM

That should be Hey-sus. I am Mexican, after all, socalled. And if I sounded preachy, forgive me, for that was not my intent. My decisions are my own and they should never, ever be forced on another. And unfortunate as it is, many humans are not worth saving. But many can be redeemed. I am too much of a believer in the inherent good of a person that no one is beyond the pale. That does not mean that I am naive and will automatically think that all I need to do with Charlie Manson (who somehow escaped and works nights here...it's freaky!) is give him a stern talking to. It is not impossible to reach his inner humanity, but at this point it is quite impractical. I mean, honestly, carving a swaztika in your forehead and screaming that you will kill every motherfucker in here, at a parole hearing tends to make help seem like a foregone conclusion.

I have never been in my stated situation and never hope to be. I can only give conjecture and speculation as to what I would do. That conjecture is also rose-colored in the fact that most of the people that I hang out with would be worth saving.

I mentioned the Bible as something to draw ideals from. I most certainly do not subscribe to everything that it has inside it. I do not believe in the Christian (one could say Roman or Greek) god that meddles or even cares about the day-to-day affairs of mortals. If anything I subscribe to the Deist idea that God created and then he went to do something else. Like make a sandwich, who knows? However, I have no problem, as I stated, taking the basic concepts of said book and applying them to my life and only my life. I cannot hammer that point home enough. I'll tell you all about what I believe, but I certainly don't expect you to follow my beliefs. Although, if you choose to build shrines to me, who am I to gainsay it?

Posted by: ScarletKnight at February 13, 2008 2:28 PM

TK - see, this is why I come here, I learn something new everyday!
Today's lesson: 3-legged dogs are speed demons

I stand corrected

Posted by: Bethy at February 13, 2008 2:30 PM

bethy;

if you have a few free minutes to scour youtube, there are a ton of two-legged dog stories of all kinds (two legs front, back, opposite and same side) and those dogs all move around pretty fast and seem pretty happy.

Posted by: twig at February 13, 2008 2:34 PM

oh, I wasn't wondering about the happiness factor (in fact, I often envy animals ability to be content with pretty much anything), just the speed factor

but I can ALWAYS use more distractions from work! thanks twig!

Posted by: Bethy at February 13, 2008 2:38 PM

PETA has become obsessed with sensationalist stunts and celebrity spokespeople. They stopped giving a real shit about animal welfare decades ago.

My personal religious beliefs dictate that I respect all manner of life, whether human or animal, as wonderfully and fearfully made. The success of both animals and humankind as species is inexorably tied to the amount of care and respect humans give to the animal kingdom.

We have long depended on animals for food and clothing and service, and within the last 10,000 years, animals have provided us with companionship. I don't see that we have to completely forgo the services animals have provided us as long as their role in our lives and their welfare is acknowledged and respected. Cramming a shitload of chickens in cages, letting them sit in their own filth, and shooting them full of antibiotics to combat disease that festers in those conditions all to increase egg production is fucked up.

I love my cats. Before I birthed my own spawn, I referred to them as my fuzzy children. If my house caught fire would I save them first before my own son? No, that's fucking retarded. But don't think I wouldn't make a hell of an effort to save them.

And my sinus' are killing me. So there.

Posted by: Alabamapink at February 13, 2008 2:44 PM

I loathe the ASPCA and PETA, and I'm glad a book as been published that exposes at least some portion of their hypocrisy. M&Ms? Please. You can't find a more worthy cause to protest? I hope those bitches died of hypothermia in some back alley and a feral dog peed on their corpses.

And for those who complain about the lack of care for homeless humans: are you doing something about it? Are you personally volunteering time and money to make sure the forgotten members of our race have a place to go with all the resources they need to re-enter society (such as drug outreach programs, prescription medication programs, psychological counseling, career counseling etc.)? Are you writing letters and issuing press releases about the selfishness and insensitivity of our society's NIMBY approach to the problem? No? Why don't you?

Oh, I forgot. It's really hard...I only make $50,000 a year...I have to have my Grey's Anatomy fix every day...homeless people smell...they're all crack heads...they should just get jobs...

Fuck you all.

Posted by: Minty at February 13, 2008 2:44 PM

socalled, I simply disagree. I think environment and genetics each play a role in how people and animals behave.

Pets aren't robots. I have two cats that I adopted a week apart and have raised from teeny kittens in essentially the same manner. They have completely different personalities. One is super-sweet, and somewhat trainable (as trainable as a cat can be) and the other is stubborn and a complete attention whore and will do anything from biting me to knocking over a vase and breaking it to get me to notice him. Pets have personalities. Some dogs that have been raised to fight really take to it, while others can be trained to live in a normal environment once they are rescued. Environment has an effect, yes, but is not entirely determinative.

On the other hand, I agree that people have free will, but the things someone experiences have a significant and lingering impact on them. And oftentimes, though we are quick to point the fingers at others' shortcomings, we are blinded to our own because of the way we are and the way we've been raised. And if you don't recognize something as a problem, why would you try to fix it? It takes serious effort to recognize, much less overcome learned negative behavior.

Posted by: tt_marie at February 13, 2008 2:47 PM

Is it just me, or is there a somewhat faulty dialectic running through these comments? Why animals vs. people (or caring for animals vs. caring for people?) I've probably missed the mark widely, but it seems like in conflating the two, the waters on both sides get muddied.

(TK, by the way, I don't believe in god, but I believe in Ecclesiastes. I get what you're saying about the Bible...)

Posted by: megbon at February 13, 2008 2:52 PM

And that's "point the finger" - unless you are feeling especially judgmental and decide to point more than one, anyway.

Posted by: tt_marie at February 13, 2008 2:52 PM

"There's no good reason to eat meat," which is code for "...even though I didn't consult with you, I'm now an authority to insist that you're immoral for not adopting the same position." Eat a dick, you self-indulgent, hemp-sandaled, smelly hippie.

But you left out, "...and I'm wealthy enough to be able to afford my oh-so-virtuous diet, and belong to the privileged class in a country advanced enough to provide my menu choices in conveniently-located stores." Just try doing that on a minimum-wage budget, even here in the U.S., you overindulged self-righteous bourgeois shits.

I am a carnivore and have no problem with animals dying to grace my table. However, I DO have a problem with inhumane treatment of those same doomed animals before they are slaughtered for my gustatory enjoyment. If you can afford it, buy Kosher or Halal meat. The animals are kept healthier and treated (and slaughtered) more humanely...also, their sanitation standards are so much higher than the USDA's it's not even funny.

Likewise, live pets of any species should not be treated like inanimate toys and discarded when you get bored with them. That's just basic humanity there, people.

Posted by: Jerce at February 13, 2008 2:53 PM

Ah, Alabamapink, you have hit the heart of the matter. I did not mention that I would try my damndest to save said animal. I should have, but in my self-righteousness, I forgot. And Minty, homeless people do smell, but give 'em a bath and they come out just purty! I do all I can to help them, and naturally it is not enough, but I also have 5 other people that rely on me. I don't expect any sympathy as all of it is my own doing, but I can only lead by example. One person is all it takes to make a difference, but it takes a unified people to start a revolution.

Posted by: ScarletKnight at February 13, 2008 2:55 PM

P.S. The title of this column is so heartbreakingly true...applicable to so many aspects of daily life in modern America...It's gonna color my thinking all day.

Posted by: Jerce at February 13, 2008 2:56 PM

At the risk of awakening the ire of socalled again, I can't stop myself from pointing out to Jerce that it's probably cheaper and easier to buy vegetables instead of meat than it is to find animals that were humanely slaughtered (and, coincidentally, not all hopped up on hormones). I find it pretty easy and cost-effective to be a vegetarian and shop at the Safeway.

Posted by: megbon at February 13, 2008 3:03 PM

I have an interesting dog-killing experience. This may be long-winded and I don't know what it will add to the conversation (besides some seething, fists-balled anger towards me from some of the more sensitive, animal-loving Pajibites, perhaps), but I think it's worth mentioning.

A few years ago my wife got a proposition that a coworker concerning a stray dog that had wandered to her house. Said coworker knew that the wife and I lived out in the country and she asked if we would be willing to take the dog in. Wife said sure.

The coworker had made a comment about the dog looking "a little skinny" and that it had "a little growth" on its neck. She brought it out to our house one night and my first impression (this is absolutely horrible and I'm more than a little bit ashamed of this) was that it looked like something out of a Holocaust film. It wasn't just skinny - I could literally make out every bone in its skeleton. It was hideous.

In the interest of brevity I'll omit some unnecessary details, but we let the dog spend the night in our house and tried to feed it. It wouldn't eat anything and only lapped a tiny bit of milk. And the knot on its neck was monstrous - it made the dog's neck about twice its normal size (we later found out it was cancer). The point is, the thing was obviously dying and in all kinds of misery, and I couldn't in good conscience let the poor bastard live.

So I dug a hole, walked the dog over to it and got ready to shoot it. But, never having killed a dog before (and having some semblance of a soul), I couldn't do it. The dog walked with me back to the house and tripped on its way to the porch. Tripped on one tiny little four-inch concrete step.

I re-gathered my resolve and walked it back to the hole I had dug. This time the dog walked to the hole and LAID DOWN IN IT. I shot it once in the head and immediately started shoveling the dirt on so I wouldn't have to look at it. Game over.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I feel like I did the right thing and that there comes a time for animals when the best thing for them is for them to die and that it's up to people to make that call. Nothing new to present to the argument, but I have no doubt in my mind that I did the right thing.

*Interesting sidenote - I later found out through a series of events that would make for one zany-ass sitcom episode that the dog belonged to a six-year-old girl and that it had cancer and was about to be euthanized. The owner actually came out to our house and wanted to take the dog home in a box. I talked him out of it, thank God.

Posted by: Mattfactor at February 13, 2008 3:06 PM

Mattfactor, I have zero problem with that story, and I'm a hardcore animal lover. I've done it myself (never to a dog, but to fatally injured birds and rodents). It's not easy, and I've never really gotten over it.

When I lived in Philly, I took in a dog that I found tied to the fence of a vacant lot in North Philly. It had been then for 10 hours. It was sickly, painfully thin, with a terrible skin condition. It was a female pit bull. I brought her home, fed her, walked her, petted her and treated her as kindly as I knew how. When a friend came over with some dog biscuits, she tried to tear his throat out. She tried to kill my neighbors. Sadly, she just couldn't be controlled. She'd latched onto me and now hated everyone else.

And of course, I lived in an apartment that didn't allow dogs, and couldn't afford to have one anyway. So, I took her to the pound, knowing full well that she'd be put down by week's end. That drive to the shelter was the worst 25 minutes I'd experienced in a long time. Fuck, I'm tearing up just thinking about it.

My point is, I don't think you did anything different, other than cutting out the middleman and doing the dirty work yourself.

But at least we both did our best to make their last few hours decent ones.

Incidentally, the above story is part of the reason I baby my dogs constantly. I think I'm not-so-subconsciously trying to make up for past sins.

Posted by: TK at February 13, 2008 3:14 PM

wow beth! great writing! i want to read this book, and i don't even like dogs! :)

Posted by: aejr at February 13, 2008 3:15 PM

Whoa Jerce - I've been a vegetarian for about 5 years now and my grocery bill has gone way down since doing so. Beans and the like are significantly cheaper than meat... And though processed faux-meats are comparable in price, I have still found them cheaper than the real thing. But anyway.
Honestly, reading the comments above has kind of bothered me... There are a lot of things that people should care more about - including the welfare of other people and animals. This book evidently just highlights one of those things that we should care more about. And I don't think that denotes any kind of offence to others.

Posted by: b at February 13, 2008 3:16 PM

Okay, TK and Mattfactor....those stories are just so sad and heartbreaking. Thank goodness I've never had to experience that...my pets died of old age, and the few animals I rescued from the clutches of an uncaring civilization found good homes with caring parents. But thank you for sharing your pain...it's stories like these that make me appreciate my own orphaned cat all the more.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at February 13, 2008 3:21 PM

I volunteer for a spay-and-neuter program that recently teamed up with the major local animal shelter to achieve their goal of going completely no-kill, and this book was the impetus for the shift. Awesome to see a review of it on this site. People talk about the author like he's some kind of second coming, which sounds very creepy and culty, but once you read the book you understand why. It's a revolutionary concept, and I hope more and more shelters latch onto it.

Posted by: Josie at February 13, 2008 3:27 PM

megbon, it is true, veg and the like are so much cheaper, but I have a small advantage in working at a packing plant, I get my meat for wholesale. Otherwise, I might just become a vegetarian myself. And just let it be known, that today is so stinkin' slow and I have no other place to go. *sigh*

Posted by: ScarletKnight at February 13, 2008 3:27 PM

Like my boycott against any actor who is a Scientologist, I also attempt to boycott celebs who whore out for PETA (unless they are really good). The same goes for Humane Society of the United States and the ASPCA. But especially PETA.

You see, I am a hunter. I hunt ducks mainly, but I also hunt deer, turkeys, doves, and quail. I also fish. Like 90% of the hunters out there, I try to the best of my ability to make a clean kill, recover the animal, and then take it home and eat it. Ducks, doves, and quail are delicious and venison is almost entirely fat-free, as well as being completely anti-biotic and growth hormone free.

PETA and the HSUS have mounted huge efforts to eliminate hunting of any kind. While I understand that hunting is not for everyone, it is an American tradition and is the most efficient way to accomplish the necessary goal of controlling animal population. Also, hunters are the main source of funds for preservation of public wilderness, wildlife, and fish. What do PETA and the HSUS do to contribute to that issue? For instance, Ducks Unlimited has saved millions of acres of wetlands from the plow and the paver. In 1937, when DU was created, the waterfowl population was in serious decline from overhunting, but mainly from over-farming and the dust bowl. Most DU members are hunters (94%). There are more waterfowl now than there were in the 80's and that is a direct result of DU and the federal government's protection which is also primarily funded by hunters. That is just one example of hunters conserving habitat and helping the wildlife population.

While white-tailed deer have become a pest in some areas, the resurgence in their population is a direct result of hunters working to conserve and expand their population. That also goes for wild turkeys. As a kid in TN in the 80's, I never saw a wild turkey. Now, they are everywhere. A direct result of the National Wild Turkey Federation.

By the way, I own 3 dogs and a cat. One of the dogs is a rescue dog. My wife and I have donated money to no-kill shelters, breed rescue organizations, and the conservation organizations above. We love animals, especially dogs, but they are not equal to humans. Even if I do tear up at the dog food ad with the dog in the shelter who doesn't get to go home with the family.

PETA and HSUS are spreading a false message to people based upon preying on their good intentions toward animals. If they really wanted to do some good, how about setting up a free spay/neuter clinic in every major city? That would actually do some good. If they already have done so, I guess that is good.

Posted by: Forrest at February 13, 2008 3:47 PM

Any person with a soul would like that all sheltered animals can be saved. I have actually trapped ferrel cats and paid for them to fixed. I have a dog saved from a pound and a cat who I trapped when he was a wild kitten (By the way, I was pissed off when the ASPCA clipped his ears after he got out of the house once, and it took me so many hurdles to overcome to get my lab Coco that I am not sure that I would go throught the process again). But I sincerely doubt that the monetary resources exists for a widespread no kill policy that doesn't leave the community looking like one giant crazy lady's house with cat shit all over the place. I admit, I didn;t read the book so maybe there is an explanation in the book that is missing from the review, but other than winning the lottery or sticking your head in the proverbial litter box, how to you avoid killing these animals when you have 250 dogs at the shelter and space for only 100 of them?

Posted by: JP at February 13, 2008 3:50 PM

At the risk of awakening the ire of socalled again, I can't stop myself from pointing out to Jerce that it's probably cheaper and easier to buy vegetables instead of meat than it is to find animals that were humanely slaughtered (and, coincidentally, not all hopped up on hormones). I find it pretty easy and cost-effective to be a vegetarian and shop at the Safeway.

No ire here; but I stand by my statements.

A) The Kosher/Halal meat is a little bit more expensive in my area, but not prohibitively so. I am one half of a DINK couple, so we can easily afford it (and it tastes better too).

B) Fresh produce certainly costs less than meat; but again, I was mainly talking about the working class. On that sort of budget, there's no WAY you can feed a family on fresh veggies--they're just too expensive. Even frozen veg is a stretch for a lot of people; it's mostly prepared, processed stuff. (Brief note of the irony of the poorer economic strata in the U.S. having an epidemic OBESITY problem, due to their diet.)

C) A healthy vegetarian/vegan diet takes commitment and planning--and a diner educated enough to do that planning and choosing. Such people are a privileged minority in this country--the average Joe/Joanne doesn't have the education, the time or the money.

D) No slight on your morality or your lifestyle choices; it's your body and you have every right to treat it as you see fit. I don't live like a poor person either--now that I don't have to.

Posted by: Jerce at February 13, 2008 4:00 PM

Bethy, my three-legged cat runs faster than my (literally) retarded one with four legs. But that's probably because four legs is on medication all the time because someone tried to kill her via the rock to the head method when she was a kitten, and she'll have seizures if she doesn't have it.

Peta can suck a bag of dicks, and so can the celebrities who endorse them. I used to know a Peta warrior, the smelly hippy that he was, and he was willing to hold up signs with pictures of dead chickens on them in front of KFC, but not go to the local humane society and walk the dogs.

Posted by: marty at February 13, 2008 4:13 PM

I made the mistake of reading this review and y'alls comments while still at work. Crying at your desk is not usually the best way to end the day. I'm going to have to collect myself, go home, eat dinner, and mayeb revisit this thread later.

Posted by: Kolby at February 13, 2008 4:58 PM

Thank you Forrest, I often find myself defending my husband's love of hunting (especially to the socialite I work with who whores out her time to the aspca and calls hunters murderers but, her family is rich from owning a chain of McDonald's for God sake). In all our years together I have never once seen him commit an act of cruelty to an animal. He hunts whitetail deer to help with the overpopulation problem and strictly adhears to the policy that we eat what he kills.

Living in the country we have also had to put many animals out of their misery with a bullet. Many of whom were abandoned by their "city folk" owners when they stopped being cute little puppies or kittens. And MattFactor just so you know I think you did the right thing,let me tell you that the first time someone dumped their animal off on my land and I discovered it had a serious case of the mange (sp) I decided to take it to the vet and have it "humanely" put down. By the time the poor scared dog got in the car he had emptied his bladder all over himself and continued to do so all the way to the vet. He then proceeded to have the biggest fit I've ever seen in an animal due to his sheer fear of the vet (obviously his previous owners had never taken him for proper care). By the time the vet was able to give him the shot we were all in tears over the plight of this poor creature. As I paid my bill and was about to leave Dr. Roberts said solemly, "I'd be willing to bet a quick bullet behind the ear would have been way less traumatic for that little feller. At least he wouldn't have seen it coming." I agreed and from that day on we ALWAYS try and feed and love a sick or wounded animal until it falls asleep and then quickly put it down before it knows what we are doing. And yes, it is probably the most heartbreaking thing you will ever do but the alternative is almost always more cruel.

And just so the whole world knows, dumping an animal off at a house in the country is no way to get rid of unwanted animals. The animals usually hide until they are starving and contract terrible diseases due to malnutrition and abuse from other people and animals. By the time someone like me finds them they are usually too far gone to help and end up in worse condition than had you just taken them to a shelter where they may just be put down but at least they have a chance and a meal before hand.

Posted by: Phat girl at February 13, 2008 5:09 PM

God, phat girl, do people really do that? Just drop animals off on your property? That's HORRIFYING!

As for hunting, I could never do it! I don't want to be around it. It would break my heart to witness it. That said, I don't have a problem with other people doing it. Is that weird? It's something totally out of my world, but I don't see it as animal cruelty like, say, dog fighting or cat juggling (sorry, a little flashback to the Steve Martin thread from a couple of days ago)

Posted by: megbon at February 13, 2008 5:34 PM

I love the idea of no-kill. I worked for a Humane Society shelter for 3 years, and it was awful having to choose which dogs to put to sleep (the big city shelter got abruptly shut down for ever three months b/c of a water pipe breakage, so our little town shelter had to take all their animals, plus all the "domestic abuse" animals from the city police, which all had to be kept, not fostered, adopted, or killed). We had extensive fostering, low-fee/free spaying and neutering, but next to no money. One thing I can say for sure is that we took in every stray animal, spayed/neutered it, and tried our best to adopt it out if it was adoptable (biting animals are not adoptable).

I now live in a city that has a no-kill shelter. They have tons of money, and a spanking new facility that my hometown shelter could only have dreamed of. They also refuse over 50% of animals that come through their doors, claiming that they are not adoptable enough. We found a stray cat under our house and tried to take it to the shelter, only to be told they generally don't take adult cats, because they aren't adoptable enough, and ours looked a bit skinny, so they wouldn't take it. Of course it was skinny! Who knows what it had been eating before we found it! Why do we even have an animal shelter if they won't shelter strays?

I would rather have a shelter that at least tried to deal with the stray problem than one that sits on its high no-kill horse and ignores the animals that need help. I guess what I'm saying is that it's always easy to judge things by a label ("organic", anyone?), but not necessarily correct. I really like the idea of no-kill, as long as the shelter can still fulfill the functions of a shelter.

Posted by: Phaeolus at February 13, 2008 5:43 PM

God bless all you people who ever took the effort to help. an animal in trouble--and that includes killing them, if that was your option. Sometimes that is the greatest mercy you can provide.

My sister lives in a rural area and all her pets are poor creatures she has found abandoned on the side of the road/in the woods. I am convinced there is a special section right at the bottom of the lowest sub-cellar of Hell for people who mistreat/neglect/abandon their animals.

I won't be sharing my own stories on this subject; but just--please don't feel guilty for the things you do, that other people (the people responsible!) are too lazy or stupid or just too indifferent to suffering to take care of themselves.

Posted by: Jerce at February 13, 2008 5:50 PM

Oh ya'll...now I'm gonna go home and smother my sweet doggie with kisses and hugs. Too sad. Sniff::sniff

Posted by: Be Adequite! at February 13, 2008 5:59 PM

[i]Courtney, believe it or not, it's possible for people to care about both people AND animals. The assumption that those who volunteer or donate to animal shelters don't give a shit about human plight is ridiculous.

And the plight of dogs and cats IS relevant. There is a consistent correlation between abuse of animals and more serious, human-related issues. One is symptomatic of the other.[/i]

TK, I think I love you. Marry me and we'll live in my single wide with seventy two homeless cats and spend our evenings scooping cat litter and giving each other foot rubs!

I'm heavily involved in animal rescue (mostly small animals like rabbits and guinea pigs but occasionally dogs and cats too) and nothing pisses me off more than people who assume I don't care about homeless and abused humans as much as I care about homeless and abused animals.
Just because I focus more of my efforts on animals doesn't mean I'm immune to the suffering of human beings as well.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 13, 2008 6:14 PM

PETA is the reason I'm ashamed to tell people I'm a vegan. People make the assumption that I'm like "those people", with all the preaching and the inflated sense of morality, but that's not my bag. I don't abstain from animal products because it makes me a superior human or because it defines me, I just think it's nasty.

But while the thought of eating animals and animal byproducts grosses the living bejeebus out of me, I recognize that most folks out there find it to be quite tasty. I'm cool with that.

Posted by: Mella at February 13, 2008 6:22 PM

Mattfactor, in my book you were doing your duty as the steward of that dog's life. Fate or whatever brought this creature to you -- possibly instead of taking him to someone cruel with a B-B gun or something -- and sometimes you have to make the hard decision for them. Just sitting here thinking about the (faraway) day I have to gut up to the task for Wookiee No. 1, it makes me misty. But I'm not going to let her suffer because I can't let go or make the tough decision.

This wasn't meant (by me) as a humans vs. animals debate. SK posed a hypothetical that I find interesting, though I don't want to be faced with it. As I've aged, my cynicism has climbed to alarming levels, and "misanthropy" isn't just some word to use when cracking jokes about jackass behavior.

I am genuinely puzzled, baffled, on a daily basis at the lack of basic decency in human to human interactions, to the point where I have taken an active dislike to what I perceive to be the "average" human. It's one of the reasons I react so strongly to assholish behavior between commenters here -- this is our Island Pajiba, not suitable for disregarding the basic humanity of another person. But that's the world I see -- I just mentioned this to Samantha T a couple weeks ago, that the world seems to be a pretty wretched place, and I don't see it getting any better. And that strongly colors my view of how animals are treated and valued.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 13, 2008 6:35 PM

Phat girl - oh my gosh so true. My BF's family lives on a farm and they have animals dumped on their property all the time. I think people figure if the animal has something to hunt for and open space, it'll be okay. Ummm...no. They often get run over because the roads are dark out there, they don't know how to hunt because they used to be domestic (or they are too young to hunt), they get eaten by wild animals, they get diseases, they get injured by farm eqipment, etc. BAD IDEA. Especially bad - dumping cats that have already been declawed. That's just fucking cruel - they can't defend themselves properly.

Posted by: tt_marie at February 13, 2008 7:20 PM

My mother-in-law (Dr. Doolittle, herself.) also lives out on a farm and every time we go out there she's got another kitty someone dumped out there. Fortunately, she busts her ass to look after her brood, but at some point she's going to reach her capacity.

This kind of lackadaisical attitude about the life of pet doesn't surprise me at all. Shoot, I've known of more than one parent who had children without the slightest thought of how they were going to care for them and continue to not know or care for the duration of said children's lives.

socalled: If you've gotten more misanthropic with age, then I'm totally screwed. My attitude towards the whole of humanity (which I think has always been pretty flippin' craptastic) is on par with yours. I can only imagine how bad it will be after a more years of suffering through the ignominy of humankind.

Posted by: Alabamapink at February 13, 2008 7:35 PM

Holy sweet fuckin' Jesus....There is a god!!!!

Finally someone out there willing to expose PETA and all their Glorious Hypocrisy, other than Penn and Teller.

My best friend is in her 6th and final semester at Seneca College for Vetrinary Technician. And let me tell you, i've endured many years of hearing industry insiders about PETA, and many other "Activist Groups" alike preaching about animal rights. Where are the animals right when your participating in Mass Euthanizations PETA? A company who is willing to expend millions of dollars on campaigns enlisting "Celebrities" to pose half naked on billboards, but can condone a Mass Euthanization on poor defenseless animals. I'm not one to get all preachy preachy, but that my friends is Hypocrisy at it's finest. Why not take your marketing budget and try to teach responsible pet ownership? How about creating low cost spay/neuter programs.

Nah fuck that, i'm just gonna protest Fashion events where fur is used and start a media frenzy. Or take up useless ad space to try to create a message that I clearly can't follow.

When I was 11 and we first moved to Canada. My parents took me and my bro to the Toronto Humane Society to get a cat. Well being the age I was, I had my heart set on this cute little white fluffy kitten. I was so upset when my stepdad refused to get this kitten for me. He had seen two 3 year old cats stuffed in a cage together, and was adamant that if we didn't adopt them, that their time was near. He was quite right. I'll never forget that day. It had a huge impact on my life.

When I was done stewing about my loss of some fluffy white kitten, I embraced those two cats. One of which became the most beloved object and companion, human or not, that i've ever had the pleasure of having in my lifetime. He unfortunately passed away last January at the ripe old age of 17. There isn't a day, that I don't miss him or think of him. To think, the greatest love of my life was a cat. But it's true, and I have no fault in admitting that.

I can't even imagine what would have happened if we hadn't adopted those two......

Posted by: Jax at February 13, 2008 7:49 PM

'bama: Kind of like the way genuine Jesus people try to be good Christians every day (not for me, but good on 'em if they actually implement his teachings), I wake up, strap on a smile, and dare humanity to prove me wrong.

The bad part is, it makes me write screeds like my comments here, which I'm sure sound a little crazy. But I said it before, and I'll say it again. The Wookiees never let me down. Confronted with their own avarice for a game hen or butt-sniffing, they act naturally and unapologetically. But confronted with a task I need completed, no matter how trivial it may seem, they'll die to complete it. I don't really need that tennis ball back, but Wookiee No. 1 would literally drown herself before she would let me down. That's a level of morality sadly beyond what 90% of humans can even comprehend, much less take personal responsibility for.

So: Where's my girlfriend today? Even Mrs. socalled telephoned earlier to warn me about adopting casual misanthropy as a central tenet of existence (she should fucking talk!), then casually asked, apropos of nothing, "What's happened to nerd-lass?"

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 13, 2008 7:58 PM

I worked at a no-kill shelter for 4 years, and I can tell you that either this book is grossly unfair to the way that shelters work or the review simply leaves it out.

My shelter could afford to be no kill because we did not take in most of the animals people wanted to give up. The better term for kill v. no-kill is open admission v. limited admission. Shelters that euthanize lots of animals are typically doing so not because tehy are cruel human beings but because the space, the resources, the staff, the adopters---they just aren't there.

We turned away animals that we didn't think were adoptable (even when they absolutely were) because our director did not want to have to put down lots of animals. But the people trying to give those dogs and cats up still can't keep them--so either they go to a different shelter that will accept them (and may be forced to put another animal down to open up a space), or they get abandoned in the woods, on a farm, or a vacant apartment.

Spaying and neutering is really the only way to go. If I'm not mistaken, the only real change that affects shelter euthanasia rates is the rate of spaying and neutering. NH did a big program a few years ago and drastically cut down on the number of unwanted animals; San Francisco did an intense trap neuter release program for feral cats and greatly reduced their numbers. THIS is the solution. The killing is not the problem--its the lack of spaying and neutering and the huge profits to be made in pet stores and puppy mills.

Posted by: cuff at February 13, 2008 9:33 PM

Jerce, I think you're misinformed both about the nutritional value of frozen veggies (often higher than that of "fresh") and the difficulty of following a healthy veg*n diet. Now if "the average Joe/Joanne" who eats meat were actually eating a healthy diet, you might have an argument--but that's not the case. It's true that just taking meat out of an otherwise poor diet isn't a good solution, but I don't think there are many Americans out there suffering from kwashiorkor. To the contrary--most people eat much MORE protein than they need.

Posted by: Ann at February 13, 2008 9:35 PM

I have nothing to add here, really, but I just wanted to say that I love this thread. Some of your comments have made me cry and others have made me want to shout an 'Amen!' (socalled and 'bama, I'm looking at you). This is good stuff right here.

Posted by: Jen at February 13, 2008 9:39 PM

We 'rescued' our dog from a local pet fostering agency. We fell in love with him at one of their adoption days but we were getting ready to leave for a short vaca. The foster parents agreed to keep him a week longer and we picked him up on our way back into town.

We 'rescued' him from his foster parents that live 4 houses down from Trace Adkins.

Poor thing is slumming now!

Posted by: wsapnin at February 13, 2008 9:56 PM

Now I see how it works. Instead of having the testinal fortitude to humanely terminate the animals' lives, the no kill shelter turns people away; these people in turn either neglect or abandon the animal; then the animal has the option of getting hit by a car, starving, getting eaten by a coyote or spreading disease (or all of the above). Oh, but not before adding to the feral animal population first.

Posted by: JP at February 13, 2008 11:06 PM

socalled:

It's like my momma always said, "God told me to love my neighbor. He didn't say a thing about LIKING them," and my other favorite gem, "If humans were so damn lovable, then God wouldn't have gone out of his way to remind us to love each other, now would he?" This is the same woman who raised me a Christian and also gave me magnet that read "I hope God grades on a curve." Yeah, we're some strange folks.

And inquiring minds want to know: Who is this nerdy girlfriend about whom you speak? Amongst your legion of Pajibitrix admirers, it is hard to narrow down to just one.

Posted by: Alabamapink at February 13, 2008 11:17 PM

Boy there's a whole lot I could say on this issue but I'll try to be brief.
First off Phat girl is right on the money about animals being dumped at farms. My Aunt has had as many as 20 feral cats around her house at a time. ALL of them were dumped on her property. She fed them and took care of them as best she could but it got crazy after a while! She passed away recently and I wonder who will take care of the animals that will still get dumped there.
Also PETA can go to hell for all I care. I live in Tidewater Virginia which is peta central. These are the asshats who had staff members that got arrested for basically kidnapping animals from shelters, euthanizing them in a van and dumping the carcasses in the dumpster of a strip mall!
Also, peta believes that all feral cats should be put down. My old apartment complex had a lovely colony of feral cats. We trapped them so they could be spayed/neutered and given their shots. PETA would not do the spay/neuter service on these cats because they said they shouldn't be alive. They assumed that all feral cats have a horrible life and death is better. They never came to the complex to see how well these cats lived. They were looked after by all the people who lived there. The apartment managers husband built houses for them to go to when it was cold or wet and food and fresh water is placed out for them daily. PETA needs to just shut up and let people do what they can!
Sorry, long rant but geez those people piss me off!!!

Posted by: trixie at February 13, 2008 11:46 PM

All's I know is, if you put a suffering animal to death, that's called being humane, but if you put a suffering human to death, that's called being an animal.

Carry on.

Posted by: bucdaddy at February 13, 2008 11:58 PM

Stray animals and homeless people deserve the same fate.

Soylent Green anyone?

Posted by: Fuzzy Dunlop at February 14, 2008 1:00 AM

And inquiring minds want to know: Who is this nerdy girlfriend about whom you speak? Amongst your legion of Pajibitrix admirers, it is hard to narrow down to just one.

Sorry, 'bama, Paddy has become my Pajiba-muse. Sweet, sweet girl, and I'm sure her real husband is just delighted with my ribbing her about performing oral sex on Irish terrorists. DR warned me at the beginning, you will start writing for the commenters who engage with you. Truer words were never spoken. I finished a new Boozehound Cinephile earlier this evening, and of course I'm writing with a few people in mind. Mostly the chicks, I'm not fackin' crazy.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at February 14, 2008 1:32 AM

I like how one commenter says that No Kill shelters turn animals away at the door and then someone else immediately jumps on the bandwagon, even though that's one of the myths the guy is trying to dispel in the book. But hey, who even needs to read it when people already have it figured out??

Posted by: dogger friend at February 14, 2008 8:04 AM

Palm Beach County (FL) is considering a mandatory spay-neuter program for ALL dogs and cats. If you don't want to fix your pet, you must pay the county $75 and promise not to breed the animal. People who want to breed their pets must apply for a breeder's license, never have more than two litters per year, and agree to routine inspections of their facilities.

Well, the so-called "hobby breeders" went nuts! "I have a right to breed my dog! I don't want the county inspecting my private property! I don't do this for money, I do it for the love of the breed!" Blah, blah.

Hey hobby breeders, do you think the world really needs another Chihuaua or Shar-Pei? There is the rights question, but it's heartbreaking to know that animals are put down for the sole reason they don't have a home.

In the meantime, Michael Vick's damn demon dogs are getting their own reality show and being adopted just because they are Vick's dogs.
Pit Bulls are bred to be aggressive! People need to choose a dog that fits their lifestyle. That would cut the number of unwanted dogs in half. Like hanging around the house watching TV? Then don't get a Wiemeraner, dammit!

Posted by: numchuck at February 14, 2008 11:26 AM

Whoa, hold on. I gotta step in and stand up for the pit bulls.

Pit Bulls are NOT bred to be aggressive. The ones Vick and others like him bred were, yes. But pit bulls from respectable breeders (NOT hobby breeders, who are irresponsible, contemptible morons), are just like any other dog - healthy dogs who, if you raise and train them properly, will be wonderful dogs.

Most of the Pits I've known have been total sweethearts. They're not for everyone, particularly because they're insanely strong, but they are perfectly good dogs. You just need to treat them right, and many of them are abused, neglected, and trained to do awful, awful things.

Sorry to go off on a rant there, but it kills me to see the bad rep that they get, all because a few assholes beat their dogs into viciousness, and then get on the news, and now everyone thinks the breed is bad.

But numchuck, your point about Weimeraners is apt - get a dog that fits your lifestyle. All those hunting and sporting dogs like Weimers and pointers and such... need crazy exercise, or they'll tear your house apart. Pits are much the same way... they need a lot of attention, and they need an outlet for their energy.

OK, /rant.

Posted by: TK at February 14, 2008 11:44 AM

Tk, thanks for stepping up to the plate on that one so I didn't have to. I am a pitbull lover, and I get tired of all the bad press that they get.

Posted by: Miss_E at February 14, 2008 11:45 AM

I'm in the trenches on this one. I don't have just one or two pets from the animal shelter. I'm a breed rescue foster home. I've personally done over a hundred adoptions over the past eight years.

If you think no-kill shelters don't turn away pets, you're delusional. We have a word for no-kill shelters that don't turn away pets: hoarders. It ain't pretty. If you'd like a non-partisan refutation, start googling and read newspaper articles that go back a few years and research why Atlanta Humane Society no longer has the contract to run Fulton County Animal Services.

This book is going to generate a TREMENDOUS backlash, it's already started in the breeding community (of which I am ALSO a part...responsible breeders do NOT burden the public with unwanted animals). There's hysteria on both sides, and it serves no one. Certainly not the animals.

Posted by: Wednesday at February 14, 2008 1:08 PM

Hello all. If anyone wants to do anything at all today for an animal may I suggest going to (I don't know if links work) zootoo.com. There is a million dollar shelter makeover and you can choose from a pulldown menu some shelters who are participating in the contest. May I suggest Stray Rescue of Saint Louis, if you don't see one in your hometown. You'll have to register with your email (you can take it off later and nothing will be sent to you.) That's all it takes and each shelter builds points for those who vote. Thanks!

Posted by: SOSO23 at February 14, 2008 1:52 PM

Good to know I'm not the only one that hates PETA and it's hypocrisy. Of course, what got me pissed at them is their affiliation with the ALF and other whack jobs that light bombs at Medical Research facilities that do testing on animals.

The ALF is a very dangerous organization. They are actually recognized as a domestic terrorist group. Peta will never get an ounce of respect from me for their hypocritical ways.

As far as the dumping of animals, my first dog was a stray that was dumped in a barn on my parent's property. He had a dent in his forehead where someone tried to kill him. Everyday that dog sat in the exact spot in the barn where he was dumped. It took about a month fro him to finally quit that. He was probably about 6 months old at this point. I talked my parents into letting me keep him. Another stray that we had taken in before him was stolen out of our yard. Speckles, which is what I named him, turned out to be a wonderful dog but not very trusting of strangers. He loved my family dearly and near the end of his life, finally started showing signs of the brain damage likely incurred when someone tried to kill him. People who could do a thing like that make me physically ill.

I now have 2 dogs, one a give away and one a rescue dog. Brilliantly smart and they are always a joy to be around. I would not trade them for anything. I also have one cat who is a shelter cat and quite possibly the sweetest cat on earth, even after being shot with a BB gun and the BB still in his tail. His tail looks broken as a result. My other two cats are a give away cat and a kitten that my husband and I trapped from a feral mom cat that my in-laws are caring for.

Do I care more about my animals than most humans? Yeah, I do. But I also care about children. To me, children and animals are very similar. Neither is capable of changing their environment and both are deserving of the chance to live a good and full life that has love and compassion all around. For me, every adult has the responsibility to show both children and animals the same dignity and respect that they would ask for from another human.

Posted by: Melody at February 14, 2008 2:45 PM

Haven't read all the comments but the ones I have read have been quite moving. Probably won't read the book because I don't want to read about animals unnecessarily being put down. Although I don't believe anyone will read down this far, I would like to post my story about my cat, Patches, as a tribute to the love she gives me each and everyday.

Patches was one of four cats that belonged to a neighbor. She was divorced, was a former "model" - I use that term loosely - and was looking for a man to take care of her. She ended up getting pregnant with twins by another neighbor. She already had two or three kids and decided with two more on the way that she no longer had time to care for her cats. Of course, she let them out of the house and they had to fend for themselves in the neighborhood (she says she gave two of them, including Patches, to another neighbor, but I have my doubts abut of that).

Anyway, I watched a few of these cats roam the neighborhood. They never got close to me but they were always around. I had a cat already, a mean but sometimes lovable cuss of a cat named Sheena - rest in peace, fuzzy one - and I was did not want another cat because of Sheena's absolute dislike for any cat the came up to the patio door.

Patches began sleeping on my deck on the patio furniture. Very cute. She would always run away when I came near her though. She was skinny and suffered from flea dermititis (I live in a wooded area with lost of wildlife so fleas and ticks spread easily) and just looked pathetic. I placed some food in a bowl for her and left it outside. It was then that she adopted me.

She waited for my food and my love each and everyday, rain or shine. She "talked" to me often and I knew she deserved better than to live her life outside. Besides, the raccoons were eating her food and washing their paws in her water; not very sanitary.

I had to take her to a shelter. She looked so awful though I was afraid no one would take her and she would be put down. There was no way I could live with myself if that happened. Especially, since I knew that if she had a good forever home she would probably thrive and live a good life.

One day, she made her way inside. I was afraid she would attack my other cat, the mean but sometimes lovable one who was considerably smaller, so I set out to find her.
I found her sitting on one of the beds, quite comfortable, and when she looked at me it was to say, "This is my home now - I belong to you."

That was ten years ago and I am so happy she chose me. She has been an outstanding companion and has shown me nothing but the deepest love and gratitude for giving her a forever home. And knowing what I know now about shelters from your review, I will not only adopt older cats from shelters but I will never consider a shelter as a viable option for homeless pet again.

Posted by: jen310 at February 14, 2008 3:05 PM

Jen310, you're good people.

Hell, all of you are.

Posted by: TK at February 14, 2008 4:29 PM

Thanks, TK.
Coming from the man who would not give up on a three-legged dog that the original owners wanted to put down is high praise indeed and means more to me than you'll ever know. Here's to many more years of happiness for you, Mrs. TK, and your three-legged bundle of joy (raises Tequilamas shot in honor).

Posted by: jen310 at February 14, 2008 5:36 PM

My family has been the Akita Rescue of Texas for years, and when I say the Akita Rescue, I mean that's it. It's my mom and me, and every now and then some of our friends. I can't even watch the rescue dog parades at the dog show, I'll admit it; I cry and cry and cry and cry. I have no words for how angry organizations like PETA make me. Of course they like the kill shelters; in their opinion domesticated animals are an abomination (don't believe me: read Newkirk's and PETA's manifestos). I'll definitely be checking this book out.

Posted by: megaera at February 15, 2008 1:57 AM

TK, thank you so much for your post about pit bulls. It is so very aggravating when people go on about how "naturally vicious" they are. My apartment complex refuses to allow me to get one, but my cousins have adopted them and they can really be very sweet dogs. People are put off by their energy and strength, so I totally agree with you on the point that the person needs to be right for the animal.

so, /love to you sir

Posted by: lol at February 15, 2008 6:38 PM

To dogger friend: Unfortunately, some No Kill shelters do, in fact, turn away large numbers of canines and felines that are deemed unadoptable. I worked at one in Denver and I would say, during the two years I was there, they turned away, on average, 50-60 percent of the animals that were presented for surrender. It is true that they did not euthanize any animals in their care and the facility was thoughtfully run and relatively well funded, but the community was not thoroughly serviced. It was heartbreaking for me to see animals in desperate need of loving homes turned away only to end up at the high kill shelter across town.

While I think it would do a world of good for shelters to audit their practices to see how they can be more effective, I still think the bulk of responsibility for high kill rates and domestic animal over population falls on the shoulders of irresponsible pet owners. Have any of you perused the pet listings on Craigslist? The sheer number of people looking to surrender their "beloved" (and often intact) pets and the absolute blanket ignorance regarding basic dog/cat care makes me insanely furious.

Posted by: happy blackbird at February 17, 2008 1:52 AM

I can only say it is great to see such a lively discussion on the topic and the complete hate for PETA. I've tried to convince some of my friends but they consider me a biased non-animal lover because I'm getting a degree in biology and I've dissected a couple of animals (erm, I'm becoming a vet do you want your dog to be the first animal I operate on? Yeah I'll just guess where the intestines are ... flashlight stat).



ALF is absolutely insane. I've gone to one of their message boards (or a message board supporting them) and there are people on there crying about a cat being put down but having no qualms about a janitor dying in the bombing of a medical facility because by working there he supported the establishment and he should just starve to death if he couldn't find another job (I'm not making that up). Those people are on par with serial killers or child molesters. THEY should be put down and I'm not talking humanely here.

Posted by: Maria at February 18, 2008 12:06 AM