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The Fall of the House of Bush by Craig Unger / Jennifer McKeown

Book Reviews | January 16, 2008 | Comments (49)


For the record, I don’t trust any politician, regardless of political affiliation. Perhaps I was scarred by Animal Farm, since the old maxim about power and corruption is never far from my mind. The cynic in me feels that even those who seek office for altruistic purposes can’t help but fall victim to the mesmerizing rump shake of those insatiable deities called Greed and Power. (For what it’s worth, they do have great asses, but I guess that’s not really the point.) Sure, there’s always an exception, but in general, I’m sticking to my suspicions.

I offer this foray into my personal beliefs only to prove that I have no particular agenda in reviewing Craig Unger’s The Fall of the House of Bush. In reading this book, I was hoping to be educated and, perhaps, even a little entertained, since my scandar (that’s “scandal radar,” just so you know) immediately pinged upon hearing about this book. Was I educated? Well, perhaps. Ultimately, The Fall of the House of Bush will not sway you from your beliefs. A Bush supporter will have no problem finding fault with Unger, and a Bush critic will only too readily agree, so education here is relative. And as for entertainment … well, some parts were entertaining.

Unger clearly knows his subject. He’s written about the Bush family before (he’s also written House of Bush, House of Saud), and it seems that he is hellbent on single-handedly bringing down George W. Bush and the neocons, or neoconservative politicians. He’s not making blind assertions, either; in fact, to say that Unger has meticulously researched his subject would be an understatement, as Fall boasts roughly 50 pages of footnotes and about 10 pages of bibliography.

The title, however, is somewhat of a misnomer, as The Fall of the House of Bush goes beyond the Bush family and its influence on contemporary politics. In accounting for the “clash of civilizations” occurring today, Unger analyzes everything from the founding of our nation by the Puritans (which, he argues, resulted in America becoming a “Redeemer Nation” with a moral duty to save the world from tyranny), to the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (which—and I’m oversimplifying here—basically puts Israel and Evangelicals on the same team, since both need the Temple Mount reclaimed to pave the way for the Messiah) to Vietnam (which illustrated Rumsfeld’s and Cheney’s love for warmongering despite any just cause).

Although it seems impossible to neatly summarize a book so sweeping in its scope (I know, I’ve been trying for what seems like ages), I’ll highlight some main points here. Unger asserts that the neocons, along with the Christian Right, are conspiring to take over the Middle East to further their own agenda, and Bush 43 has teamed up with them in order to further his own — and, perhaps just as importantly, to eclipse his father. In the process, Unger also traces the Machiavellian ascent of Rumsfeld (the youngest man ever to become Secretary of Defense) and Cheney (the youngest man ever to become Chief of Staff). Unger details the manipulation these men used to gain power, even in the face of one of their greatest personal enemies: George H.W. Bush. It was this animosity that in part led the younger Bush to hire them.

Unger’s exploration of the conflict between George W. Bush and his father was, to me, the most interesting part of the book. Unger asserts that, not surprisingly, Bush 43 has always resented his father’s achievements and felt he could never live up to his reputation. Unger argues that Dubya (whose political future was solidified when he, as a Born Again Christian, helped his father win the election by securing the Christian Right) planned to overthrow Saddam long before 9/11 in an attempt to outshine his father. According to Bush 43, presidents are only remembered for greatness in war, and in that arena, George W. Bush intended to beat his daddy. Perhaps scariest of all is Unger’s assertion that Bush isn’t yet finished — he plans to target Iran next.

Unger ends on a pessimistic note, wondering where we’d be today if the Bush administration had not squandered our resources on the war in Iraq. Even though I’m a generally a pessimist myself, it seems distasteful to end that way now. It’s an election year, and anything is possible.

Jennifer McKeown lives outside Philadelphia and reads more than she probably should. She blogs over at Bibliolatry.


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Comments

I've almost dismissed Bush, hoping somewhat optimistically, that he could do no more harm. However, it's EXTREMELY scary that someone who has done this much research is asserting that Bush has got another trick up his sleeve. Yes, I know that he wants to bomb Iran; I'm of the opinion that the true reason for occupying Iraq was to set us up near Iran, but I was hoping for a new president before then. I'm not so optimistic now. Thanks for the review, I'll have to pick up this book.

Posted by: Agent Scully at January 16, 2008 2:50 PM

"However, it's EXTREMELY scary that someone who has done this much research is asserting that Bush has got another trick up his sleeve."

I will pull out one of my grandmother's famous maxims: consider the source. Unger has done all this research because, as Jennifer put it, he is "hellbent on single-handedly bringing down George W. Bush and the neocons." And I don't trust footnotes. There are more than a few authors out there who beef up on footnotes because they're hoping the sheer volume will cause people to ignore them.

I wouldn't put too much stock into these predictions. Maybe it is accurate, maybe not, but Unger sure isn't going to convince me one way or the other.

Posted by: tt_marie at January 16, 2008 3:34 PM

which, he argues, resulted in America becoming a "Redeemer Nation" with a moral duty to save the world from tyranny

I guess it plays for the cheap seats, but I always feel kind of sad whenever a book like this obsessively documents its facts and provides such a thorough bibliography when the simple truth is money. Money money money money.

Now I just need to understand the strange pathology of why people with so much need any more.

Posted by: twig at January 16, 2008 3:40 PM

One certainly doesn't need a magic 8 ball or even a book with a gazillion footnotes to know that Bush is eager to involve Iran in someway over the course of the year. There have already been attempts with the claims that Iran is close to building a nuclear arsenal (not for decades yet) and lately with the dubious claim that Iran motor boats were attacking U.S. destroyers (I'm sure they did this). I've never trusted Bush. As a student of US presidents, I will say hands down this boy, Bush, has done more damage to this nation than other president. Nixon wished he could be this balls to the walls arrogant. The only problem was he actually had a conscience.

I don't doubt that the book is biased which is why I hate all these books from both sides. If anyone wants to see what Bush is up to all one has to do is watch and listen: Bush isn't that secretive.

*stepping off soapbox* Thank you for that.

Posted by: duane at January 16, 2008 3:51 PM

Look, we all know what the top-running politicos of the major parties are guilty of in this country and yet there's a majority out there (and yes it IS the Wal-Mart/family values bullshit crew) that keep getting the upper-hand every time elections come around.
I'm just way beyond caring, if the true majority wants to keep sending their kids to die for the upper-class then, fucke'em. I don't even have kids yet, and I don't see myself getting drafted, I make a comfortable living and pay my own healthcare and am putting away for my own retirement. I pay my taxes and wouldn't mind doing a bit more to have some universal safety nets for my fellow citizens. Buuuuut, every four years, the fascistoid set comes around with their tried and true hate mongering/anti-immigrant/anti-"socialist"/anti-women/anti-gay
routine and the morons come out of the woodwork to vote for these DOUCHEBAGS.
So, maybe, they are NOT morons, they love these guys. They WANT to lose their kids in the name of Texaco, they want to owe billions upon billions of dollars to foreign banks, they DON'T want health care for all, they DON'T want a minimum retirement income to at least eat. Hey, more power to them.

Someone said once, "nations have the governments they want and deserve."
I agree.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 16, 2008 3:59 PM

"As a student of US presidents..."

'Splain, Lucy. Taught by presidents? Majoring in presidents? Self-proclaimed expert on presidents?

Not disagreeing with your conclusions, just curious.

Posted by: tt_marie at January 16, 2008 3:59 PM

While I never took an American history course (opting for the brief prehistory of the States in my colonial British history class), I thought that the founding fathers were hell bent not on saving the souls of their fellow Britans, but forming their own little isolated enclave of true believers that wouldn't be interfered with. This seemed to be reinforced when the States declined to participate in WWII until Pearl Harbour shocked them out of their isolationism. Am I wrong on this? Are the States historically isolationists or meddlers? I think I would have some issues with this book...

Posted by: Rahel at January 16, 2008 4:00 PM

An expert by no means, more like a hobby, but I've done much reading and research on the subjects.

Posted by: duane at January 16, 2008 4:04 PM

B Slim - "nations have the governments they want and deserve." Really? Tell that to the oppressed millions throughout the world who have absolutely no say in any governmental decisions.

Posted by: tt_marie at January 16, 2008 4:08 PM

BSlim;

I'd be happy to ignore it all, but everything from nuclear proliferation to global warming to economic stability and the fucking DOMA is dependant on the douchebags.

Only safe until the levee breaks.

Posted by: twig at January 16, 2008 4:21 PM

Have to say, I'm with B'Slim here. I am so sick of hearing people say they would never have voted for Bush in '04 if they had known the war/economy/oil prices, etc. would go so badly. Fuck you and your comfortable blinkers people. Anyone with half a brain cell knew by 2004 what the Bush agenda was (shit, most of us knew it back in 2000). If you want to pay more than you earn to keep your Ford F-150 on the road and mow down deer on weekends with semi-automatic weapons and send your cousin off to lose several limbs while wearing khaki, fine. Do it. Just leave me alone. I'll be in my tastefully decorated bunker (with the Volvo parked outside) reading the New York Times, call me when the lattes are ready.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 16, 2008 4:35 PM

BSlim,

Although I have to agree with your premise here, I must say being "way beyond caring" is why they have the upper hand in the first place.

I was raised by two of the finest members of the christian coalition. I love them dearly but unfortunately they are brainwashed sheeple who believe anything said in the pulpit must be "God's truth". Irregardless of what closetted gay, biggotted moron says it.

The one thing I can say for them however is when it comes to being politically active and actually getting out to vote they never falter. They tirelessly support their candidates and give generously to what ever their misguided cause of the moment might be.

Maybe if a few more enlightened people would put down their New York Times and come out of their safe little bunkers and support their causes as staunchly as they do something might change in this country.

(And if any pajibans would like to rip me a new one for my opinion than that's fine, but let's just agree up front that I am deficient in the grammer and spelling departments and spare me the critique of every verb tense and punctuation mark, okay.)

Posted by: Phat Girl at January 16, 2008 5:25 PM

"B Slim - "nations have the governments they want and deserve." Really? Tell that to the oppressed millions throughout the world who have absolutely no say in any governmental decisions."

I'm not BSlim, but still. Tell it to them? Sure. They don't exactly fight back, but mostly sit there and passively take it. In stepping down from the podium instead of swarming it, it could be argued that they prefer to suffer in hope than to struggle, and it could be then argued that that is what they deserve.

Posted by: Fuggle at January 16, 2008 5:31 PM

Wow, I pretty much entirely agree with BarbadoSlim. That's never happened; usually his posts are a bit too agressive for me, and their tone supercedes their merit in my timid mind. But this time, nice one, BarbadoSlim (and I'm sure your posts are well thought out and plenty meritorious, but I'm just a bit gunshy).

Then again, Twig, your closing sentence is haunting.

I so WANT to ignore it all at this point, but then I'm essentially guilty of the insensitivities of which I so often accuse conservatives (literally, not sharing the wealth). The commie in me just wants my comrades to have their shot at a piece, too, I guess.

Posted by: becca at January 16, 2008 5:44 PM

I feel kind of naughty for interrupting a genuinely thoughtful discussion, but...did anybody else, in the first half second they looked at that header picture, see an autistic monkey that just crapped its pants and is about to bust a gut laughing because it's so damn proud of itself? Now that I think about it, that's kind of an apt description either way, really.

Posted by: Sarina at January 16, 2008 5:53 PM

So people deserve genocide, racial or religious discrimination, and civil wars in which they are not involved exploding all around them? People deserve to live in destitution and poverty because their government exploits their land, their labor, or their children? You cannot truly believe that. I think there is an essential and blatantly obvious distinction to be made between fat, happy, apathetic citizens of the US who don't do their part to impact a government that is readily accessible to them (don't even bother to cast a vote, much less participate more actively in the political process) because it's a "lost cause" or some shit like that and people in other countries (Kenya, Sudan, and the Philippines, to name a few) that are silent because they fear for their liberty or their lives.

Posted by: tt_marie at January 16, 2008 5:57 PM

Forgive grammatical errors. I'm all fired up and not proofreading.

Posted by: tt_marie at January 16, 2008 6:04 PM

One of my best friends in college (who was a hard core liberal, actor person) voted for Bush in the '04 election. When we asked him WTF?! he shrugged and said "What do I know about politics? He's done okay so far."

Unfortunately there's a very, very long list of people out there who think this way. And while I've never really trusted his politics since... at least he voted.

Which is more than can be said for many of the soap boxers who go out of their way to defame the conservatives. Just because you think the political system is deeply flawed does not give you the right to be so hipster as to be above it all. So you don't like Bush, that's fine. It's even okay if you think Obama's inexperienced, Hillary's a hack, and McCain's a fascist--so long as you vote.

Nothing irritates me more than people who complain for hours on end, then refuse to do anything about it in the end because "it doesn't matter either way".

Posted by: Scarlett at January 16, 2008 6:08 PM

Phat Girl: I take your point, really I do, but I am so tired of having the same arguments with the same people. I have a mother-in-law who believes in public schools and wants universal health care but she votes Republican across the board because "Mr. Bush must know what he's doing". I have a neighbour who believes criminalizing abortion is THE only issue. It goes on and on. I have canvassed, I have fund-raised, I have phone-banked and yes, my state goes blue consistently (but only because the Chicago vote dominates), but it never counts because some one shouts "terror alert" or "gay marriage" or "immigrants" and the masses go running to the polls to vote Bush (or Thompson or whomever). And now I'm just tired.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 16, 2008 6:08 PM

PaddyDog, I absolutely get your point. But I think both sides are to blame for this.
One of the biggest problems in politics today is that people don't know what the hell they're talking about. People hate, I mean hate Bush. Why? Because of the war. Well what's wrong with the war? "People are dying, asshole." This is the response I often get when I ask questions about this. Look, I'm not saying I'm for the war or that the war isn't a legitimate reason to dislike the Bush administration. To be sure, I have misgivings about our presence in Iraq in the first place, and there sure as shit are serious problems with the way this whole thing has been executed. But for crapssake, understand why we are there and whether or not you think those reasons are legitimate (and don't just yell "OIL" - give me your reasons for believing THAT, too), find out what has really been going on, look at the bigger picture, etc., before you start spitting back out what some talking head said to you. Know something about what's going on if you're going to base your vote on it. On the flipside, I know some people who voted Republican because they want to have a giant fucking fence erected along the border because some clown (probably Rush) told them it was a good idea. Seriously? What the fuck? Actually think about the logistics of that for thirty seconds and tell me you still think it's a good idea. I am pretty independent myself, and I never judge anyone for their political beliefs. I respect anyone who makes an educated decision to adhere to a certain idea or vote a certain way. But what pisses me off is ignorance: blindly attaching yourself to something or someone because it is what your friend/mom/boyfriend thinks or because you happened to half-listen to 20 seconds of a candidate's speech while flipping over to ANTM and that's the only contribution you can make to a political discussion.
The problem is two-fold. One, the media today is killing honest discourse with it's obsession with scandal and criticism of every other statement a candidate makes during a televised debate or speech (or an excited roar, i.e., the Howard Dean phenomenon). Politicians are scared to actually SAY anything - they just spit out moronic taglines and hope to win people over with their smiles and hairdos. Number two, people don't care enough to sort through all of the rhetoric to truly understand the issues. Okay, I know, seriously, it's tough. It takes a ton of work to understand what a candidate stands for. I'm not just talking about their official platform, but their voting records, their previous platforms, who they are connected to politically (i.e., are they anybody's bitch? This is an especially important question to ask in Illinois, where almost everybody is involved in some political machine or another), etc., etc., etc. But it is worth it because then you get to cast an educated vote (and you'll definitely show up TO vote). And, if you actually figure out who you believe in and why...well, you'll be a lot more convincing when you're passing out those leaflets.

Posted by: tt_marie at January 16, 2008 6:59 PM

Wow, I am very sorry that was so long. I didn't realize. And Paddy, that last sentence was in no way meant to imply that you don't know the issues (I looked back and thought you might think that because I referenced leaflets).

Posted by: tt_marie at January 16, 2008 7:06 PM

tt marie: Obviously, people don't deserve genocide, various forms of discrimination, or oppression. Obviously. I personally read the "people get the government they want and deserve" quote as one of historical scope. As in, oppressive regimes aren't borne of innocent, utopian worlds; rather, a long line (I'm talking a whole lotta years) of trends, of moral concessions, political manuevering, public apathy, etc, culminate in the political empowerment of the inhumane, oppressive governments or individuals. Thus, the population that directly suffers from such oppression neither wants nor deserves the treatment it receives, BUT, as a larger culture in a historical, it may have been complicit in the rise of institutional cruelty.

Does that make sense? It's the end of the day. Trust me, my heart bleeds, too, but I do see truth in BarbadoSlim's statement, though I can also clearly see your point.

Posted by: becca at January 16, 2008 7:45 PM

I hate dynasty politics across the board.

Posted by: The Stew at January 16, 2008 7:52 PM

Clearly, I'm not proofreading, either.

tt marie: also, right-on regarding your last post (elections, knowing the issues, the candidates, the machinery, etc). I'm guilty of the brand of apathy and verbal regurgitation you cited, and damn it if my tail isn't between my legs right now.

On a side not, I'm using "etc" too much. I'm getting lazy.

Posted by: becca at January 16, 2008 7:54 PM

Longtime lurker de-lurking for a moment to comment on this thread: I totally understand the frustration of having others regurgitate the BS from neocons, and like sheep to the slaughter, going to the polls to vote for Bush.



After a certain point, you get to the point of "f*ck it, let the idiots suffer the consequences".
But look at it this way--these people vote for the captain of the Ship of the State, and we are on board the same boat (and can't get off!). By remaining apathetic, we are going to end up bobbing in the shark-infested water along with the rest of the idiots.


True, being informed and getting involved do not guarantee that we don't end up going down...but at least we tried.

Posted by: Blue_in_OC at January 16, 2008 8:49 PM

That picture of Bush is kind of fruity. I imagine him giggling and saying, "Oh, thtop, you thilly goothe, you." And I only say this because if I actually talk about politics, I get all riled up and have to be careful about my blood pressure.

Posted by: Cady at January 16, 2008 9:55 PM

President Bush has done a good job during a very difficult time in our history. I don't know anyone who could have done better, and no one could have even done as well as he has managed. Events are showing he was right on Iraq and he is succeeding (Hillary is trying to take credit now that we are winning).

Especially considering the alternatives, Gore and Kerry, I'd say America made the right decisions in '00 and '04 and most Americans are glad Dubya in charge. No president is perfect, but I'm glad we were lucky enough to have George W. Bush in office the last 7+ years.

Posted by: darcy_lane at January 16, 2008 10:46 PM

darcy_lane: Are you high? "...most Americans are glad Dubya in charge." Wha--? Have you looked at any polls lately? The man is an egomaniacal, immature, dry (maybe) alcoholic with a big, big, Daddy complex. Turn off the Fox channel and take a look around. Read a newspaper. Better yet, read an alternative newspaper. You just might be enlightened.

Posted by: AuntieMurray at January 16, 2008 11:00 PM

I'd like to clarify that, regarding my "people get the government they deserve" post, that I do not include any wholly disenfranchised groups in my definition of the public.

Posted by: becca at January 17, 2008 12:46 AM

It seems that I am late to the party, but I think it is still relevant to give my opinion.

tt_marie: I heartily agree with your stance on voting. 2004 was the first Presidential election that I was eligible to vote (I missed 2000 by a measly year, but I have voted every freaking year), and I become so frustrated with my friends that would tell me the reason why they would not vote for Kerry was because he seemed too uppity or his wife was too rich. The best responses came from people I knew who voted for Bush simply because he seemed like a guy with whom you could have a beer. Ohhh...the ire that I had. I was amazed that people did not see the need to vote on the important issues (i.e. education, national health care, rebuilding international ties, job creation, etc.), but on whether which candidate seemed the most personable (the TV was indeed the worst invention for politics). Even worse is the majority of people in my age bracket who do not vote simply because they don't see the need to vote. I wonder if half of these twenty somethings realize that our futures are being created by politicians that are currently in DC, and if these same people realize that right now is the time to ensure that our futures are something to which we can look forward (I can still hope that we can turn this clusterfuck around). Thus, I have been on my soapbox, hounding my friends and family to vote and to make an informed decision. I've told people that I truly do not care who gets his/ her vote as long as he/ she takes the time and effort to understand the key issues and where each candidate stands and has previously stood on these issues (and, for me, abortion is not one of those key issues. It's used as a sideshow issue to lure people into voting for a specific politician. So, can we please stop asking people about it? It takes away from the more pressing topics). So, thanks for encouraging people to really understand the stances of each candidate.

BSlim: I see your point and have heard that quote before (I can't place it though). However, as so many people have previously stated it is flawed. I think when a whole society or a specific group is oppressed your point is moot. In the case of the United States, where we supposedly live in a free, democratic (democracy in a republic for those who are anal like that) society, I think you are valid in your stance. We are supposedly able to choose our elected officials and thus, are guilty when our elected officials turn out to be self-serving, no talent, ass clowns. We chose these people; therefore, we have to live with them and the government that they create. This is why it is so crucial that people do some freakin' research before they vote, and by research, I don't mean turn on the television to some political windbag or read the small political section in GQ. But, yeah, I see your point and agree with it in a certain way.

Posted by: Gigi Worthington at January 17, 2008 1:42 AM

Darcy_Lane: Are you related to one of my relatives because they are the only people that I know that think that Bush has and is still doing a good job in office. If not, you are one diehard Bushie because most people I know who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 have abandoned his sinking ship. You seem intelligent, so why do you still believe the way you do? I am just extremely curious.

Posted by: Gigi Worthington at January 17, 2008 1:58 AM

I almost gouged my eyes out with an ice cream scooper and replaced them with Cadbury eggs -- most Americans are glad Dubya is in charge? I echo everything AuntieMurray said. HAVE you looked at the polls lately? Have you actually listened to the man speak? How can you honestly believe that Junior has advanced this country more than Kerry or Gore ever could? That's the thought that just keeps me leaving my mouth hanging open.

Also, I rarely write anything on these things, but I'm going to comment on some things.

1. "People have the governments they want and deserve."
It seems a tad extreme, but I agree with the point BSlim was trying to make here, and definitely agree with and understand Becca's defense of that statement. I don't think any of us are blackhearted enough to believe the impoverished and oppressed (albeit uneducated) have in comin', but as we've seen from history, we know that it sometimes only takes one to make a difference.

2. Regarding the Puritans: personally, I think they made us a nation of prudes. Even though the Founding Fathers weren't thinking of ways to sexually and/or socially repress the generations to come, it kinda happened.

3. America being meddlers or isolationists: honestly, I believe its entirely dependent on the administration. FDR wasn't championing to get involved in WWII; it took a foreign power attacking American soil for America to act. Now we were minding our own business in Vietnam? Hardly.

Posted by: Dita at January 17, 2008 1:59 AM

From what I've read, GWB has had the lowest approval rating in modern era. He rivals Nixon, and deservedly so. He's incurious, blindly faithful to his own agenda, he admits he only hears what he wants to. George W. Bush is like a toddler with unlimited power.
He isn't totally to blame. People should vote, goddammit, with some sort of concience. And who in hell voted for the man thinking he could do no more harm? Why was the earlier legislative branch so up his ass, and why doesn't it do what it promised in '04 and push back just a wee bit more? Isn't he supposed to be a lame duck?

Posted by: demondoll at January 17, 2008 2:17 AM

Having lived in the US for a number of years before returning to the UK, one of the biggest things that frustrated me about the US populace as a whole was the complete ignorance of anything outside the US.

I find it ironic that the rest of the world is so nervously watching the travesty that is Bush, while America en masse seems to think it's the saviour of a world it's so completely out of touch with.

As for Darcy Lane - maybe turn off Fox one day and watch some less biased news coverage. The US has no business in Iraq, and the gutless Prime Minister we had at the time had his head too far up Bushs ass to say no. Either way, a lot of innocent Iraqi's have been indiscriminately slaughtered in the name of US Righteousness. To those to can't wait for Bush to be out of office - make sure you get someone better next time, and VOTE DAMN YOU!!

Posted by: Wandring_Soul at January 17, 2008 8:53 AM

Darcy lane: Exactly how are events in Iraq proving Bush was right?
Right about WMDs? Nope.
Right about being greeted as liberators? Nope. Right about "it'll be over in 3 weeks"? Nope. Right about "it'll stabilize oil prices"? Nope. Right about getting rid of the terrorists? Nope. In fact, Iraq is considered the number one site for recruiting new people to the anti-American agenda.
Need I go on?
9/11 was a failure of all government, I'll give you that it wasn't his sole fault, but to claim he's done a good job during a difficult time is like claiming Ken Lay ran a tight ship at Enron and really delivered lasting shareholder value.
This country has gone from a budget surplus to a huge deficit. It's mired in a civil war in another country. Economists say we're on the brink of a really bad recession. But hey, keep on living in that bubble. I think Tom Cruise suffers from a similar delusional syndrome. I'd promise you a cure but since funding for NIH has been cut by over 30% under Bush (coz, you know science, who needs it?), I doubt it's coming any time soon.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 17, 2008 11:32 AM

tt_marie: No problem. I like a good debate as long as the people debating me have a clue and can back of their arguments with facts: cough Darcy Lane cough. I agree a lot of people complain and don't vote. Living in Chicago I especially don't understand how the radio will say "cold temperatures today so voting turnout will be low". That's where I think you and B'slim converge: If you can't put on a coat and scarf and cast a vote, then you deserve what you get for a leader.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 17, 2008 11:36 AM

People who think the news is less biased on other channels than Fox are kidding themselves. . . Just because it seems like Fox is so open and naked with their conservative approach, doesn't mean the other news outlets are objective and open minded.

Network TV news is marzipan. They serve that shit up in spoonfuls so we can get back to watching more important stuff like Idol and Survivor.

Cmon peeps, read somethin will ya? Put down the goddamn Wii and figure it out for yourself.

I will say something about W - at least he's not boning the help.

Posted by: bucslim at January 17, 2008 12:35 PM

"People have the governments they want and deserve."
This sentiment is something I agree with wholeheartedly. In our country it is quite easy to get up and denounce something as wrong or evil. The most you would have to put up with in "civilized" society might be raised eyebrows, sniffs of disdain, or a chorus of boos. In countries ruled by dictators, well the penalty for dissension is much more severe...duh. The point being that what BSlim said does not only apply to those who reside under said government. Tacet agreement is still agreement. We are just as guilty of installing a dictatorship. The poor and oppressed may not be able to do much, but what could that fat, happy citizens of the US do if they could be mobilized? And yes this is a gross oversimplification, but as Dita said, it just takes one.

Posted by: ScarletKnight at January 17, 2008 12:38 PM

A small addendum: The reason Mr. Bush is laughing is because he just saw Blonde Ambition and then realized hey, after this I'll do a reverse Reagan! I'm Presidenten', ya'll!!

Posted by: ScarletKnight at January 17, 2008 12:41 PM

i gotta take a freakin breath...

you people, who notice every fuking nuiance of minutia in movies, or books.....

not one of you, has menitoned
black box voting. google it.
don't you realize our elections are charades, meant to keep the proles thinking that they have a choice, and that the process is accountable and transparent?

are you all high?! are you all asleep?!

our markets are crashing, our money is almost worthless, and one of you, has the nerve to say he'll be enjoying his latte's in the bunker w/his volvo parked outside?!

another, expresses he has a good job, and saves for his healthcare "i'm getting mine, and fuk you if you don't get yours...the rest of the world can go ta hell"... well think of how "padded" and taken care of you'll be when the dollar finally bottoms out, and possibly your job gets shipped overseas....and you can't afford that expensive healthcare, or your mortgage, or your car, or the gas to run it or food if you can find it..........

you people are in for a rude awakening, when you do realize what is actually happening.......

forget it.. go back to sleep...... all is well children.. all is well.

Posted by: kikz at January 17, 2008 1:35 PM

Why do you hate America? Why do you think McDonald's hamburgers taste like masking tape? Why do you hate Jewboys and Jewess? Why do you want the United States to lose the war on terror? Why do you hate NIGGERS?

Posted by: saint nightwalker at January 17, 2008 1:44 PM

Wow!
Re: bucslim's comment on Dubya--'At least he's not boning the help.'Is that really what's important? In that case, will someone other than his wife PLEASE give this President a sexual favor?

Posted by: vllach at January 17, 2008 1:50 PM

vllach - that made me chortle.

I was being serious about the news thingy I commented on.

And don't kid yourself, there would be a raging liberal shitstorm if Bush attempted the same thing.

Posted by: bucslim at January 17, 2008 3:15 PM

bucslim, I almost wish he WOULD bone the help, because then he wouldn't have gotten that 2nd term (can't get evangelical votes if you're sinful)...

Posted by: Bob at January 18, 2008 12:19 AM

Hey Kikz: Ever hear of sarcasm?

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 18, 2008 10:37 AM

"At least he's not boning the help."

Instead he's boning America in an uncomfortable place (not the back of a Volkswagen).

Posted by: MMMMiranda at January 18, 2008 1:41 PM

I might be a little late to this argument, anyway, bar none Dubya is probably the worst President since Nixon. I can't for one think of anything positive to say about his presidency. Sure you could say that America has not been attacked under his watch but I'm pretty sure Gore or Kerry would have done the same. From a faltering economy to a failed war of choice and a failing more justifiable war to alienation of traditional allies, nothing good has come from this administration. And oh yeah Katrina. I'm not saying the Democrats have all the answers, but it's time for a change.

Posted by: vadmspartan at January 18, 2008 5:24 PM

That's some funny shit Miranda! Say would you like a chocolate covered pretzel?

Posted by: bucslim at January 19, 2008 2:51 PM

Very late to the game, but as an historian I have to point out that Puritans and Founding Fathers are not necessarily the same group of folks. The Founding Fathers came from all 13 of the American colonies (and had a variety of religious and economic backgrounds), while the Puritans were confined to New England (and the height of Puritanism occurred years before the Am.Rev).

Posted by: Alarmjaguar at January 20, 2008 3:04 PM