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So Captain America is the New Spider-Man?

By Christopher Campbell | Posted Under Blog Trends | Comments (13)



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Before reading further, check out Dustin’s post about Joe Johnston’s lengthy statement regarding what the director’s Captain America movie will be like. Because re-quoting that would be even more redundant than today’s Blog Trends already is.

Okay, you caught up? Good, now on with the show.

While Dustin now envisions Cap being a realistic kind of hero a la Batman, others around the web are concentrating more on how Steve Rogers goes from being a wimp to a great American hero. And to me it sounds a lot like the first Spider-Man film, which is interesting given all the talk about that franchise this week.

So if Spider-Man 4 (or Spider-Man Rebooted or whatever) ends up going in the darker direction of The Dark Knight, as rumored, maybe Captain America will fill the void by being more akin to Raimi’s Spider-Man films. Not that it really matters since Captain America is likely going to be an international failure anyway (what non-U.S. citizen wants to see such a U.S.-centric hero?).

Still, at least the domestic comic book and movie geeks will be seeing the movie, because apparently they’ll be seeing some of themselves in Cap before he’s Cap:

  • Russ Fischer at /Film:
    I suppose I can see that. Skinny kid Steve Rogers is given a serum that transforms him into a perfect physical specimen, then realizes that life doesn’t just get easy from there. OK, that’s a starting point. And Captain America has always had a brooding side. He always wants to do more, and often feels that he could have been more effective in a given situation. Some writers have him expecting a lot of others and feeling disappointment with himself when his leadership doesn’t elevate them to a higher standard.

    So long as there’s no ‘emo Spider-Man’ edge to this portrayal, it’ll probably work.

  • Eric Eisenberg at Cinema Blend:
    The concept sounds a bit Spider-Man-esque to me, but every comic book movie needs a human element. Otherwise all you have is a Michael Bay film.
  • Devin Faraci at CHUD.com:
    So it’s about Captain America trying to fit in? Is this going to be a ‘Nobody in the Army trusts this new goofball Captain America’ story or a ‘Steve Rogers may have the body of a hero, but now he has to get the mentality of a hero’ story? If I remember correctly Fabian Nicieza and Kevin Maguire’s Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty miniseries in the 90s touched on a lot of this […] People are already talking about emo and stuff like that, which is truly a sign that the internet has fallen on hard times in terms of thinkers. You need a character to have internal conflict and room for growth; probably the hardest thing about Captain America in terms of writing is that he is so sure of himself, so rock steady and so much a conscious role model. The movie needs to find a psychological in, and the story of a 98 pound weakling learning to be a hero sounds about right to me.
  • The Playlist:
    We gotta give Johnston credit. He’s looking into the psychology of the character far deeper than we would have imagined. Then again, he probably thought there was emotional depth behind, “The Rocketeer” as well. Look, we’d like to see an interesting Captain America movie. We’re not sure he’s the guy for the job, but well, he at least sounds like he’s on the right track (though how they cast an actor who’s supposed to be a 98-lb weakling and then becomes the buff and tough Capn’ is a bit beyond us unless they’re going to go big — presumably a Sam Worthington type or older — and then make him puny with CGI effects).
  • Jackson Cresswell at Collider:
    With the success of The Dark Knight and the recent news of the Spider-Man reboot, it sounds completely possible that Captain America is going to go the gritty, realistic route. That point is only reinforced by Johnston’s comments on the character of Steve Rogers.

  • Paul Tassi at JoBlo.com:
    Sounds like he’s got a pretty good handle on the type of film he should be making, as this is one origin story that could actually be worth telling. Sure, “superheroes without powers” isn’t exactly a “new” concept per se, as we’ve already seen how Batman began, and this year we’ll also have the equally powerless KICK-ASS in theaters, but at least Johnston has his head on straight for the direction of the film.
  • Mark at I Watch Stuff:
    In summary, Captain America is basically that sitcom plot where the nerdy teen gets to be friends with the popular kids but in the end defects to help out the old nerdy friend who liked them before they were cool, which ends up making them more genuine and, somehow, cooler.

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Comments

I think having a whining, emo, bedheaded, vampire-loving, nonsensical twat of a hero would fit in line with the majority of young American movie audiences, thus increasing his mass appeal.

We'll see Cap, we'll see...

(On a side note, Cap used to be Marvel's version of the Green Lantern until a few good writers figured out that he's an awesome blank slate to make a badass character. Let's hold judgement for now, 'verse)

Posted by: D-Day at January 14, 2010 8:44 PM

D-Day writes, "On a side note, Cap used to be Marvel's version of the Green Lantern..."

Wha...huh? In what way?

I'm eager to hear how you've drawn this comparison.

Posted by: superasente at January 14, 2010 9:19 PM

Oh don't worry, international markets will still check out Cap'n 'Murka. With the probable exception of America's actual.. you know.. enemies. They might skip this one. Hey, you could even use the international box office figures as a litmus test of who your real friends are. $30,000 in France? Fuck you, France.

But, as long as it was a few one liners and a plenty of explosions in the trailer, there will be tickets sold. This marketing technique actually does work pretty much everywhere.

And hey, even if the movie's spidey-like concept doesn't work out so well this time around, just HULK it, and reboot it right away. Nobody will notice.

Posted by: The Only New Zealander at January 14, 2010 9:37 PM

Quickie summation;

Both characters were sort of stuck in this "golden age" soup as I like to call it.

They didn't evolve (as characters) until somewhat recently, and if you look at both of them, they belong to the armed forces, they're normal men augmented by external forces, and were written as fairly cookie-cutter (imo). They became peripheral to the newer, sexier Hulk/X-Men titles, or lagged behind the ground that Batman made in the 80s modernizing comics.

The Lantern evolved when people at DC discovered they basically had a blank slate since you can play with the whole flippin universe. The newer Lantern comics are not bad (Agent Orange/Blackest Night), after exceedingly bland titles for a time. Geoff Johns put the Lantern in the company spotlight with Sinestro Corps Wars and introduced some good new pieces.

Cap (culminating recently) has just blown past many of my fav characters. Bendis rejuvenated him in Avengers: Disassembled and then Millar put him as the top dog in Civil War. Civil War put Cap in the forefront (despite the ending) and shifted the "cool" paradigm from Wolverine and a few others, and put it straight on Cap/Nick Fury/Bucky Barnes.

With Marvel stuck on about a dozen bad Spidey books, too much bad Logan, a rut in the X-Men, and a break on Thor, I liked how the Avengers got mixed in, and I loved the Bucky as Cap move.

Both characters lagged behind heroes. For the Lanter, you had Superman, Bats, and even Wonder Woman as more visible characters. He had a second rate book and some cameos in the JLA. Now he's one of DC's best. Cap got stuck behind the X-Men, Spidey and fringe titles like Daredevil, Deadpool, and Wolverine. He had the Avengers and little else. Now Cap is one of Marvel's best.

Sorry for the rough/quick argument, hope I didn't miss anything.

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Posted by: Betty at January 14, 2010 10:18 PM

I'd agree with the Kiwi above that it's premature at best to say that international audiences wouldn't watch a Captain America movie. I think that I think Cap has the potential to be pretty visually interesting in terms of WWII battle scenes and fashions, and if done well, I bet that will put asses in seats. Like most anything, it's all about execution.

I worry about the politics inherent in Captain America, in terms of the shrill nature of the right-wing and its perceptions of Communist Hollywood. If Cap isn't the flag-wavingest, most jingoistic movie ever filmed, I anticipate Fox News to screech us all into deafness.

Are we still a go in terms of the Avengers movie once this and Thor get released?

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at January 15, 2010 6:18 AM

The Kiwi is right.
A few one liners (maybe a phone call), a few Explosions (one big enough to sink the rainbow Warrior) and Fuck the French.
I'll watch that.

Posted by: Bob at January 15, 2010 7:25 AM

My dream Cap movie is this: have practically the ENTIRE movie be in World War II, with a few fantastic elements, say Nazi superweapons and mystic dabbling. The human element is very simple: Cap's a soldier, war is hell. War is ESPECIALLY hell when you're a super-soldier representing your entire country and every soldier in the battlefield sees you as a beacon of hope.

I would sure as hell NOT show him being mocked or rejected by other soldiers, it has been well established that every American soldier was OVERJOYED when Cap showed up to lend them a hand, which makes sense. Would you give shit to the guy that is single-handedly turning the tide of a battle you're involved in and helping you get back home? FUCK no! And it wasn't that Cap suddenly showed up and showboated while other soldiers had to stay in the suck. Cap jumped with 82nd and 101st on D-Day. He helped the engineers demolish enemy bases. He led charges of Big Red 1 against the Nazis. He destroyed Nazi sicentific experiments that could have turned the tide of the war in the Nazis' favor. Cap was there in the suck just like any other soldier, he was just much BETTER at it than the average joe.

I say make the movie a badass, comic book version of WWII which would be gritty, but also have lots of cool pulp-like comic book touches, and end it with the cliffhanger of him being frozen and waking up in present day. You can have the drama of him waking up in a world that left him behind in an Avengers movie, and him dealing with those issues should culminate with him shouting "AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!" and having his good buddies Tony Stark and Thor Odinson proceed to kick-ass behind him.

Yeah, I'm a nerd, what can I say.

Posted by: Daniel Valentin from Puerto Rico at January 15, 2010 8:46 AM

Daniel, I'd totally watch that.

Posted by: Drake at January 15, 2010 12:37 PM

No international appeal?? EVERYONE loves killin' Nazis!

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at January 15, 2010 1:49 PM

On the tail of inglorious bastards..

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